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美国三大顶流博客主(一) 落地瞬间破防:我们该拿什么和中国比?丨#美国 #中国 #中国历史##美国播客#中国旅游

By 黑白猫PragCat

Summary

Topics Covered

  • 80% of Shanghai Cars Are Electric
  • The Brain Rot Gap Is Not Real
  • China Can Turn on a Dime
  • AI Skepticism Doesn't Exist Here
  • Optimism Through Decades of Improvement

Full Transcript

is that China has the ability to pivot and they've shown how quickly they can pivot as a country over and over and over over many decades and he's seen that over the last 30 years and basically said this is one of many

examples where he's seen where as problems start to arise the entire country can just turn on a dime and change something. So with AI

change something. So with AI specifically he said everybody's used to change like the actual physical country has been changing for decades at this insane pace. Everybody's lives are

insane pace. Everybody's lives are getting better and so they're used to change. They're embracing change. They

change. They're embracing change. They

feel like they keep seeing the positives in their life as as I mean literally now I would say in many respects somebody's life in China seems more modernized and convenient than ours, right? Like by a

by a wide margin in in number of respects I'd say.

Lemonade stand.

Fore speech.

We've talked about this uh you know on my stream and you probably heard that China is uh making great strides in EVs and boots on the ground fact. It's a

fact, dude.

Uh, couple main things is that, uh, when you have an electric vehicle, you have a green license plate, and if not, you have a blue one. We are walking around two of these major cities, and it is green license plates pretty much as far as the I can see. We heard from our our

interpreter today that they have a sign entering the city that certain license plates, like if your number ends in one and six, you can't enter the city today.

But if you have a green license plate, that does not apply.

So, there's like restrictions that prevent uh ICE #fug ice vehicles internal provision. We saw this in Yeah,

internal provision. We saw this in Yeah, this was in Chungdu today.

Yeah.

And so like the they've they've clearly put like heavy government pressure to get EVs mainly adopted and because of that there is intense comp I've talked about this before but seeing it firsthand is crazy. There is intense

competition for the EV market in China because everybody is kind of pushing to buying one. So winning that market is

buying one. So winning that market is huge. I would say particularly in

huge. I would say particularly in Shanghai, like maybe just anecdotally, slightly less in Changdu, but in Shanghai, it felt like 80% of the cars

I'm looking at on the road are EVs. And and you mentioned this, but it's like all different brands. You're you're

walking, you rarely see like three of the same brand. It's always like Yeah. And even weirdly, it's not a lot

Yeah. And even weirdly, it's not a lot of BYD, which is the story is that they're like the dominant number one, and we've seen hardly any. Sounds like

they're mostly in international markets now, not in China. There's so many.

I I think I saw more in Mexico City. I

saw more BYDs in Mexico City than I saw in Chai. Like 100%.

in Chai. Like 100%.

And I I can say as a not car guy, they're so cool. Like they're beautiful and the inside of every car we've got into is just like incredible. There's

screens everywhere and places that are unnecessary.

Dude, I would I will say I agree with Doug. We got into one. We were taking a

Doug. We got into one. We were taking a DD, which is like the Uber equivalent here, and it was a van. I forget what brand or model it was, but on the

armrests of the passenger seats in the back, there were screens built into them to like adjust all the chair settings.

And I Yeah, a knob could have done it.

I'm like, guys, it's an iPhone. It even has like I think it's the same OS. It's like there's a little iPhone in the armrest so that you can press back on the seat. Like, that's

it. We could just It's okay for some of them to be knobs and dials still. Yeah,

that's where because anyway I Every taxi gigantic screen dash with a a screen hollow panel in the front part of the uh bottom part.

Have like a panels above like the license plates on the back like just so you can have like cool things flashing on the back of your car. Wild.

Yeah. No shortage of screens in the EV.

So So that's been an interesting thing is like just confirming that that it is as it's as prevalent here as you would expect if not more so. more. So I I think I came in with high expectations and

and yeah, the competition is truly fierce. You know, every mall we go to

fierce. You know, every mall we go to the first floor, all EV showrooms, all competing with each other. Tesla's in

there, but it's just one of many.

Um company that I invested in a while ago called NEO, which I thought would be the next big thing is like nowhere to be found. Tiniest little showroom I've seen

found. Tiniest little showroom I've seen one time.

This is their year though. This is their year.

Also, we haven't even been to Chongqing or Shenzhen. Those were I mean they're

or Shenzhen. Those were I mean they're they're supposed to be like the super luxury high-end one but we'll see.

Wait. So what surprise is anything surprise you about the car itself like seeing cuz we we like went into cars both at Uber and in the showroom.

Uh I think the experience we had of seeing the brand new one was kind of cool cuz they had honestly the streamers around it was the interesting thing. It

was some marketing thing they set up or we don't know if they'd set it up but it seemed like it there was just streamers live streaming the and just screaming the car specs and going in circles as the car released.

Hey I again to like set the context.

It's like if you're in a mall in America and there's like a car in one of the like mall small mall booths and then there's three people around it with a with a phone just like

like Ford F-150 and it's got a 100 horsepower and it's it's like that. It's

like that new vehicles coming out tonight. You're

going to see the prices. They are coming out tonight and you should go look at these comments happening right now and they're just like three of them around.

We looked online and they have one viewer, 20 viewers and I want to say like 14 viewers viewers. They're just there just

viewers. They're just there just streaming. It's awesome. And it's like

streaming. It's awesome. And it's like there's no one else, by the way. It's

like three streamers around a car just yelling and then us.

This is a strange first impression I've had is the number of people that we've run into or seen that are seemingly live streaming on Doí, which is like the uh

Chinese version of Tik Tok and basically the same app. and the number of people who are just live streaming something out in public on that app uh especially in Shanghai and presumably doing it to

nobody like with very fewers because people have this about whether or not Chinese Tik Tok is educational versus the American brain one. I want to get you a 100% clear answer. It is as

brain rotted as anything you've ever It is just as much. There is no brain rot difference. The brain rot gap is not

difference. The brain rot gap is not real. Uh and everyone is using their

real. Uh and everyone is using their phones the same as m like that that that is a universal whatever you think about kids on their phones adults on their phone in America it's the same here I will say and people are scrolling short

form video that has taken over the world there is no great firewall difference in short I've been seeing some inspirational videos about pandas like losing objects and getting them back all crafted by

generating dude actually it may be here I'll say because we have a lot of good things to say about China I'll say it may be a little bit more brain rotted because of the true prevalence of AI

video. It is every third video on Waybo.

video. It is every third video on Waybo.

And again, I'm not I'm not as deep in I I probably haven't missed Doyian stuff, but every third video is AI generated.

And when I was on the train, even they had, you know, state media on there AI videos like it's just not a thing that they it's not a bad or not considered a bad I think it's really odd to see the

for those who have browsed on something like YouTube shorts and you've seen these AI animations where you watch like a tiny anthropomorphic cat get lost and get adopted by new anthropomorphic cat

parents as the background music goes meow meow meow like that style of weird AI animation is everywhere. I I see it.

It's so prevalent on like screens on trains. But imagine that. But it's an

trains. But imagine that. But it's an eagle and it's representing America and it's from Chinese state media and it's discussing what's going on in Iran.

Dude, like there's some crazy stuff, bro.

Can't wait till we get there. It's

probably like 6 months.

I mean, Trump does tweet AI video, you know. I'll just say

know. I'll just say that's true. But and the White House has

that's true. But and the White House has traded some Halo music over but we have talked to a few people and it the AI skepticism that I think is so

prevalent in the US is just not here in the same way. there's a very strong public favor from the people we've asked and from uh what they think of what

other people think of AI being a good thing and something that will be positively integrated into whatever the future is like it will be something that

helps not hurts and it's interesting uh to see the disparity in the opinions between back home and here yeah let me let me follow up on that because so we spoke with this uh person

who works with Chinese universities and basically helps American students study abroad in China and does these like pairing programs at the universities. Asked us to keep the

universities. Asked us to keep the actual program and and name uh anonymous but had a really interesting conversation. He's lived here for 30

conversation. He's lived here for 30 years, has seen a ton of different stuff up close. He is American but has been

up close. He is American but has been like deeply integrated in many different places of China and he speaks fluent Mandarin like and he's Yeah, he's literally he's lived here for a very long.

You told a very funny funny story about how I've been here 30 years. Every time

I speak Chinese, someone goes, "Wow, your Chinese is so nice."

Yeah.

Uh I get that in LA with English.

With English.

Uh so, so amongst many things that we've sort of like thematically seen over this trip, one of the things I've been most impressed with that he said, and then I feel like I'm seeing it more is that China has the ability to pivot and

they've shown how quickly they can pivot as a country over and over and over over many decades. And he's seen that over

many decades. And he's seen that over the last 30 years. So he listed labor laws as this example where famously labor laws were extraordinarily bad in China and then there was just this massive overhaul and now there's

actually a lot of workers rights and he said like in the university like it is hard to fire somebody. it is it is you know you have to guarantee certain pay and all these different things that you don't associate with China because the stereotype is oh horrible working

conditions and blah blah blah and basically said this is one of many examples he's seen where as problems start to arise the entire country can just turn on a dime and change something

so with AI specifically he said everybody's used to change like the actual physical country has been changing for decades at this insane pace everybody's lives are getting better and so they're used to change They're

embracing change. They feel like they

embracing change. They feel like they keep seeing the positives in their life as as I mean literally now I would say in many respects somebody's life in China seems more modernized and

convenient than ours, right? Like by a by a wide margin in in number of respects I'd say. Obviously not in all of them.

Um and so then yeah with with AI he's like people are just willing and excited and they're like yeah this is part of change. This is new technology. And on

change. This is new technology. And on

top of that, because everybody uses these super apps like WeChat and Alipay that does everything you do, you order food, you order cars, you do personal chatting, you that's also how you

communicate with your job. Everything is

through these apps. So as they're introducing AI, it just goes right into the apps you already have. And so that was so interesting. like we have this

weird kind of like separation with the giant companies that everybody's building this resentment the approval rating for AI right now is like it's like near the Democrats like it's so low

in America and then here everybody's cool with it.

Yeah. I so I wanted to uh add two stories to this one that confirms it and one that sort of steelman's against it.

So I did a little research. So the first thing about uh AI adoption being across all demographics and ages here is that if you guys have heard about open claw in America or in the west it's like uh

maybe you could explain it better than I am but it's like it was created in Europe actually and it's a thing you can give access to your PC that allows AI to read all your root files and all your messages and all your emails and you can

use it to optimize your life and tell it to be like hey sort my emails organize my emails or it has control of your whole PC to do stuff and you can just like it's like a more uh access version of claw.

Yeah, if you trust an AI to just do literally anything with your emails and your accounts and your computer, then hook it up.

Well, great. This is a security flaw.

But that that's what I'm saying is so here open claw has become a bit of a phenomenon. It's become like a real

phenomenon. It's become like a real cultural trend. There's many many

cultural trend. There's many many articles about how it's kind of they're calling it um a nation of raising lobsters because it's the law. M and so uh in some local provinces you're you're

people are getting paid to help set it up to like go out help people who are older are going out and getting their laptops to add openclaw to it. Mhm.

It's becoming pretty pretty big and uh there are messages from what you said like official Chinese government messages are saying hey you do this to be sure for security because there's a lot of security flaws in it

but but there's like this rate I think there's like a general race from people of all ages to be like I want to make sure that I'm ahead or understand AI as a concept and this is like a this is an example of that

and then a little bit of a steel man against it though is you know I did find articles from Chinese sources and comments that I got translated which were like from white collar workers similar to what's going on in America

where people are are worried about it.

There is like a worry that is I um I mean I talked to what's like two or three people now in China now. We've been we've I mean thanks to

now. We've been we've I mean thanks to our incredibly wonderful interpreter Stephic, we've been able to have like I think great conversations with people.

We're not just like walking around pointing at tourist stuff. So we've been trying to like really talk in depth with folks. Um I think but yes, obvious

folks. Um I think but yes, obvious caveat to this entire episode. Yes. The

difference that you kind of see themed across all of the conversations we're having is there is a way stronger faith in the government here to tackle

problems. Yeah. Like if something new

problems. Yeah. Like if something new comes up or a problem is on the way, I'm not super stressed about the problem because there is going to be a solution.

The confidence that it's going to be taken care of. we're going to adapt and like overcome or find the best way to integrate that new thing into life here.

And that I feel like that theme exists through everything we've talked to uh or about with everyone like it's super

people are extremely positive about China and feel so positively about the future of the country and if you've seen for decades your country and lifestyle

get better and you've seen the government obviously with many missteps generally keep hitting and it keeps going better. It's like, of course

going better. It's like, of course you're going to feel optimistic and of course change is going to be like, well, we will adapt to the change. Like, I'm

just I'm so impressed by that culture given how much we don't want change in America because it will hurt the character of the neighborhood.

I uh I was thinking about the different uh the different people we've talked to and how they all mention, wow, the country or the place that I'm from has

changed so much in the last 20 years.

Like it's remarkable how much it's changed and I feel really confident and good about China's future. And also that

I don't really feel pressed to leave or explore uh places outside of China like that. Like not that they wouldn't travel

that. Like not that they wouldn't travel outside of China like for fun, but it's not like oh I need to go see and experience other parts of the world.

It's like I'll go see other parts of our amazing country. And I feel like that's

amazing country. And I feel like that's come up uh I think two different times.

I that thought that was interesting.

Yeah. I don't want to be the guy that's only doing the other side, but I just want to say like, you know, there was some like the guy uh the delivery driver we talked to where he mentioned he had to move from his area because there was

no job. I I think I there's some similar

no job. I I think I there's some similar things to what people are feeling in like early graduates, white collar jobs, young people that are felt in I think

there's a very similar vibe of like um it's very competitive right now. There's

not a ton of opportunity at that level and people are trying to make that work. I think in general like the things I'm seeing that I wish America would kind of learn from is just the broad structural stuff which

is like what tax money is spent on with regards to infrastructure and trains and everything like there's a clear advantage in that.

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