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Welcome.

It is cool, >> right? I'm in my guest.

>> right? I'm in my guest.

>> Jackie, this is quite cool straight away. Yeah.

away. Yeah.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> And then >> Yeah. This feels pretty special.

>> Yeah. This feels pretty special.

>> Yeah. And then you know what? We should

do the jump start.

>> What's the jump start? The jump start is like usually we call jump start is when it goes out of electricity, right?

>> Yeah.

>> The jump start is like we jump before we start, >> right?

>> Yeah. And then uh let me put my seat belt and then Okay, get ready.

>> It can hop [laughter] into the air.

>> Okay. So, it's supposed to do that, Jackie.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> All right. And then now we can start put it in gear here.

>> Yeah, like this. Just like a normal car.

>> Yeah. Okay, now we can go.

>> Right. Where are we going in front?

>> Um, >> yeah.

>> This is a Chinese jump start for a sense of humor in cars. That's a Chinese jump start. [laughter] It literally jumps

start. [laughter] It literally jumps right.

>> Uh, yeah. Just follow the Leo Auto over there.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. But it's fun.

>> It is fun. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> It's a lot of scooters.

>> Exactly.

>> They are like pigeons. They're

everywhere.

No, because there's a ferry coming.

Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And we are in the way.

>> There's a lot of chatter.

>> Exactly. It will stop. I cannot even talk.

>> This is familiar to me causing this [laughter] chaos. This is not my

[laughter] chaos. This is not my >> overseas, right?

>> Oh, yeah. It's not the first time I've done this. Just arrive somewhere and

done this. Just arrive somewhere and ruin everything, >> right?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> How How do you like this, Xiaomi? Or

tell me like which part you don't like the most.

>> Of this car?

>> No, of that car. Oh, [laughter] sorry.

Um, no, no, I'm not going to be negative. I enjoyed the car. I thought

negative. I enjoyed the car. I thought

it was great.

>> Okay.

>> Um, it felt like >> a very analog engineed. It felt like a petrol engineed

engineed. It felt like a petrol engineed street car. It didn't feel electric.

street car. It didn't feel electric.

>> This, the interior on this is more traditional, >> but the feel of it straight away is a bit more modern and electric.

>> So, Jackie, I I've got to know, so you're an automotive influencer. You

make car content.

>> Yeah. in China only in the west as well or what do you what do you what do you do? What is your content?

do? What is your content?

>> Well, people call us like Top Gear like style because uh we're trying to make a really long video. Sometimes our videos like the length of it could up to like 15 minutes.

>> All right. So, not not short short form.

>> Not short form. Yeah.

>> Who you making it for?

>> Uh well, just for the Chinese audience, but actually there are many overseas audience because although our content is in Chinese, but uh you know, Chinese are everywhere in the world. Yeah. So uh

like our our audience apart from China the like most of them are from Australia, Malaysia. Yeah. Where uh

Australia, Malaysia. Yeah. Where uh

there are many Chinese.

>> And what sort of numbers are you do you look at? What are your

look at? What are your >> you mean like followers?

>> Around uh 30 million something like that.

>> 30 million.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Kind of.

>> Oh, that's a lot, isn't it? No, but like I heard the number of Tokyo it was like uh two 200 million something or more than that.

>> Yeah.

>> But 30 million and you've have you just gone out and found that audience yourself? You've built that?

yourself? You've built that?

>> Yeah. Yeah. From from from scratch from zero >> over how long how long have you been doing it?

>> Uh 10 years.

>> Yeah. Just 10 10 years.

>> So that is that's big. And what is how would you describe your content? What

kind of content is it? Is it all brand new cars, latest cars, luxury cars? What

do you do?

>> Well, it would be about everything because like um we did something on like uh some like crab cars, uh junk cars, uh

some sometimes we do consonant racing.

That's why I was in Lemon and if you're doing like junk cars and there aren't any old cars because just explain. So

the law was when a car became 15 years old.

>> Yeah.

>> It was scrapped.

>> Exactly.

>> It had to be.

>> But like before 2006, >> so that was anywhere in China.

>> Yeah. as anywhere in China.

>> So you couldn't have a car more than 15 years old.

>> Yeah. But imagine 2006 was 19 years ago.

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> We can some things >> and then that law went >> Yeah.

>> But it still means that there is no old car. So what is a classic car in China?

car. So what is a classic car in China?

>> Yeah. So classic car to us is Santana.

Do you know it's a pat?

>> Yeah. So that Santana is produced until 2008. So it's uh so for us a classic car

2008. So it's uh so for us a classic car means some young classic or those cars which are produced like really until lately.

>> So a classic Porsche would be >> 993. We have some 964 but like a really

>> 993. We have some 964 but like a really rare I think 964 is under 10 in total no matter which model.

>> And what makes up I mean what is a Chinese car enthusiast? Who are they?

What age are they? What cars are they like? What do they do? Well, I would say

like? What do they do? Well, I would say I'm like um one of the representative of the Kus, but like um the era has changed because now um from from for from my age

uh we like everything because uh we watch Top Gear. Yeah. Honestly, I

[laughter] grew up with Top Gear. No,

this is >> How did you watch Top Gear? I don't I don't want to drop anybody in it, but >> some ways in China, we always have ways.

>> Okay. [laughter] Yeah. So,

>> so if you're in if you're Chinese and you like cars, you want to find there was a platform who bought the copyright of Top Gear.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So, so uh I watched Top Gear from the like first episode like at the beginning it was only you and Jeremy and then I forgot the name of >> James.

>> No, not James.

>> Oh, me and Jeremy and Jason.

>> Jason was our very first >> with the black stick, you know.

>> Yeah, that's 24 years ago.

>> Yeah. And then it was the first car show I ever watched and say, "Okay, this is something I like to do for the like rest of my life." So I that's really >> Yeah, everything really started. Yeah.

>> I'm really sorry. You could have had a proper job.

>> You could have been like an architect or a doctor or something serious and useful.

>> No, but imagine like 30 thousand. No,

no, 30 millions of followers is because of you guys, you know.

>> 30 million followers.

>> Those are also your followers. So I mean uh this is everything started. So um

cars are something that we grow up with but not all cars. So

>> and that brings us to the electric thing.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz predominantly cars are mostly electric in Shanghai.

>> Yeah. Exactly.

>> At least hybrid. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. So you grew up a lot of people grew up with a completely different car world. Somebody was telling me the story

world. Somebody was telling me the story of they were in a car with somebody, a petrol car, >> and they were, you know, not young young adults, and they said, "Well, the car keeps moving. What's happening?"

keeps moving. What's happening?"

>> Cuz they hadn't really been in a petrol.

>> Exactly. Yeah. [clears throat]

>> So, it's a different world >> because they don't they don't live with their vibrations and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

Not to the gearbox. You know, some people really hate the gear shift.

>> Yeah. They say like, "What?"

>> They've grown up without it.

>> Yeah. Exactly. So,

>> why do I suddenly have to do [laughter] this?

>> Yeah. No, I'm not saying the manual shifting. I'm saying that automatically

shifting. I'm saying that automatically gearbox you feel the the gear shift is what happened to the car is it broken?

Yeah. So uh like young youngster teenagers they grow up with electric cars. So that's why we have cars like

cars. So that's why we have cars like Xiaomi and Yang Wong because >> [clears throat] >> uh in the beginning the Chinese manufacturers I would say I wouldn't say call it a copycat but we start with like

a base IDA European cars, Japanese cars because we we need to learn from them.

But now it's the time that uh we want to show our muscle. We we need to tell the rest of the world that Chinese cars are capable of doing something good. So

that's why you have this Yang Wang with that Xiaomi and the Maestro. Yeah.

>> So it really was that they were made to a small budget. They they just copied they just got some cars out there.

>> Yeah. Well, we bought some technology from uh like other manufacturers.

>> But why given that the domestic market in China is huge?

>> Is it 1.4 4 billion people or something or >> yeah 1.4 4 billion. That's a lot of potential

4 billion. That's a lot of potential customers. So, you could argue that

customers. So, you could argue that China doesn't need to sell cars outside of China.

>> That's probably right. For example, we have some models like the Leo Autoto in front of us. It's not selling uh like elsewhere in the world. Yeah. But like

uh some models like BYD, they are selling because electric cars is uh like I think demand of electric car is going up in the rest of the world. So, BYD is building rightand drive versions for

example for UK or Japan. Yeah. So it

really depends because um well you always want to have be bigger and bigger and then company wants to get more uh like global uh international >> and is that part of this what's is it

Janu this competitiveness >> what do you mean >> there's a word for it there's this this idea of competition that you want to be best this is amongst individual people

>> DK was >> Jan >> that's what I said >> yeah that's how did you exactly [laughter] >> how did you No, because there are tone.

Because you're saying >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's like because in in Chinese we have tones. It's not just about the

have tones. It's not just about the pronunciation you say.

>> Yeah. But you you you're right.

>> Jan Jan.

>> Jan. Yeah. Means like um internal competing. Yeah. In Yeah. Competition.

competing. Yeah. In Yeah. Competition.

Internal competition.

>> And so you got that between the manufacturers in China.

>> Yes. That's why uh you know cars are getting cheaper and cheaper, more and more horsepower. So, uh, like because

more horsepower. So, uh, like because when when we we told you that, uh, that car is 1,500 horsepower, this one has,300, >> it's just like not like English, it's

something that you will never understand. And not just because of that

understand. And not just because of that uh like even for some cheaper car for example I have a kind of a Chinese Corolla and then it has like 300

horsepower [laughter] >> a 600 newton meters of torque which is unimaginable not long ago but that's an electric car again. No, there's a combustion engine car because it's not

only about electric. We have dreams, you know, uh Chinese manufacturers, we are trying to build our V8 engine and imagine all the European manufacturers stopped the V8 and then we start the V8 because we never have that.

>> See, I've noticed in this car.

>> Yeah.

>> And in the one I was in before, which >> the quality of it, the feel of it, >> it's suddenly moved on. It suddenly

feels a lot higher quality, a lot higher level of build quality in here.

>> Okay. But like what's the like last Chinese car you have driven before coming this time?

>> It would have been something that made it out to the the UK to Europe.

>> MG, right? Those

>> probably Yeah, it could be the MG Roadster which is doing really well and people are appreciating. That's

>> that's actually right.

>> That one is okay, too.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So is this is this a turning point in the Chinese car industry?

>> Because um the big boss of the industry uh they they they have dreams. We want to make good cars, good things is not when you say about like making in China is like equivalent to cheap things. You

guys >> Well, and we did say that for a long time >> cuz let's be honest, you guys made a lot of stuff cheaply and sent it out to us.

>> But still it's cheap now. It's still

cheap. But like we say it's like the price to quality. Yeah. Yeah. And now

this what we focus on. And so my question is what do you think about Chinese cars now? I mean like this one looks like a super car. Do you think it rises and drives like a super?

>> It rides incredibly well. And this

because it can do that leap thing. So

it's got the same sort of suspension as the new tie.

>> Exactly. Because it has the hydraulic suspension.

>> It pushes as well as pulls.

>> Exactly. Yeah. So this is this is I guess China does things quickly, doesn't it?

>> Yeah. Because like

>> if China decides we want a city there, there's a city >> and there's a building after two weeks.

There's a building.

>> Yeah. And if China decides, right, we've we've done our sort of budget cheap cars and now we want to do clever cars.

>> You're going to do it really quickly, aren't you? Because you know uh for the

aren't you? Because you know uh for the this car the U9 X the extreme version when they decided to lab Nurburgring I think the project uh like uh was done

only project started just one year ago and then we became the fastest electric car in Nurburg >> and so the track version of this >> yeah beat the Rimac

>> yeah beat the Rimac beat everything beat >> how did how did Mate Rimac take that cuz he's quite a force to be reckoned with.

You know, but the thing is like because you have a [laughter] story of bring back.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Hope everything nothing is going to happen with this car and not in the river.

>> Jackie, I might park it upside down and on fire. I might not.

on fire. I might not.

>> No, no. We can go upside down, but never caught fire.

>> Okay. [laughter] All right. Those are

the rules.

>> Yeah. All right.

>> Yeah. And but I mean the remake they what they reacted was they think there's a there's a fake result. It's not true.

>> Yeah. They couldn't believe that because they actually they they they did a review on this one. They said there's no way that they can do labor at this time, but actually the two cars are totally

different. They look alike, but imagine

different. They look alike, but imagine if just a normal Porsche 911 and a GT3 RS, those are two >> completely different car. Yeah. So, uh

this is how we do things. But, uh it causes some problem because Dan, that's what you said. uh like Chinese manufacturers are struggling to survive because uh you are not we we are not

earning anything >> and this is what I wondered if that Joan have I said it better Jan >> means that the manufacturers have got so locked in competition that they've cut

margins they've cut profits >> to turn out better cars to win the sales is that why they now need to sell cars in Europe >> in the west could be yeah there's

another way of uh having because like uh for the development of one car or production line is um like huge but if you want to produce more numbers that's cheap. Yeah. So it that's it makes up

cheap. Yeah. So it that's it makes up the margin. Uh and I think this is also

the margin. Uh and I think this is also one way of uh like getting more profit from that. That's why BYD uh I think is

from that. That's why BYD uh I think is the most profitable Chinese manufacturer right now.

>> BYD is the one that you know we know of definitely in in Europe that BYD has arrived. How do you as car enthusiasts,

arrived. How do you as car enthusiasts, so this is not the manufacturers.

>> Well, here's my point.

>> Okay, >> in Europe, in the west, when we think of China and cars, we think of a wave of manufacturers coming to to Europe, to the west,

>> to sell their cars cheaper than Western cars, which means it'll be the end of the old British marks and the Western Marks. It'll be the end of VW and Pers.

Marks. It'll be the end of VW and Pers.

>> Yeah, that was British Marks, the league. Yeah, I [laughter] wish I wish I

league. Yeah, I [laughter] wish I wish I hadn't said British a western show. [laughter]

western show. [laughter] Um, >> it'll be the end of those western marks.

So, how do you as as automotive enthusiasts in China view that? Do you

feel like we're taking over the world or we're just how do you feel?

>> No, there's like two sides of it because like uh for me, I love cars. I love

whatever >> like with four wheels. I even love transit, you know, vans. Yeah. Yeah. And

um so I I I like performance cars. So if

there's something new, that's what I really like to see. Uh just for an example because like uh see uh with his Xiaomi Ultra, Porsche comes up with a

like stronger tyon, the mantai racing TYON. So they want to take the record

TYON. So they want to take the record again. So I think this is really

again. So I think this is really interesting because we are pushing the um automotive world to evolve. It's not

just because uh okay because Porsche they they always win but now there's a competitor. So uh I think like uh we're

competitor. So uh I think like uh we're pushing everything a little bit forward.

This is what I love to see. So that Jan what that comes down to is that's good for everyone. If you love cars and

for everyone. If you love cars and there's more competition then all of the manufacturers will have to do better.

>> Yes.

>> So we we the consumers will ultimately get better cars.

>> But we would like to see them live longer if is like too much J. I think we can go. Yeah.

can go. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And then uh well some manufacturers will die then we that's what not we like hope to see and then because there are many manufacturers uh like western manufacturers trying to

cope with Chinese uh like manufacturers and then there's some combination between the two for example the Audi they la just launch a new brand which is

the letter Audi rather than the the four >> to sell here isn't it? Yeah, only to sell here and then so it has the price uh advantage is just the price of a Chinese car but it has like the German uh like tuning of the chassis and

everything.

>> So do those say take German cars cuz let's be honest Germany knows how to build a car. They're really good at it.

>> But do you think they are good in like electric cars?

>> Well that's that's the thing.

>> But is everything going to be electric? Do

you believe that? And if so by when? Um

I would say at least with electric motor not pure electrified hybrid >> hybrid or extender range extender for example the that one is a range extender.

>> So that's cars like it's Mazda isn't it working I think it's Mazda working on a much more thermally efficient internal combustion engine.

>> Yeah everybody is working on that.

>> So that means a better internal combustion engine as a range extender in a hybrid.

>> Exactly.

>> Because look my belief and I'd be interested to hear your take on it. My

belief is that governments across the world are telling us it's got to be electric. You have to go electric. The

electric. You have to go electric. The

fact of the matter is in the west we don't have the resources you have to make them.

>> So we're that's one scary thing. So hang

on a minute. What that means is the ability to make the batteries particularly is going to lie mostly in China >> which scares the heck out of us cuz we're well then we can't make it ourselves.

>> So that's the plan.

>> And they might not be cheap. You might

one day turn around and go we've suddenly decided it's really expensive and then we're Is that a character?

[laughter] >> Yeah. No, I mean because that's the part

>> Yeah. No, I mean because that's the part that I don't understand because like electric electrified is not in your culture but like suddenly all the countries all the western manufacturers

they start to to build electric cars.

This is what I don't understand. And why

would you get electric cars if you don't have the culture, you don't have the environment that let you you design and build over there. So that exactly that's to my point really that we're not set up for them

>> in the same number that you are here.

No, >> but in the meantime there are yeah hybrids with range extenders. There's

also synthetic fuels. Mazda again are working on >> um capturing carbon emissions at the tailpipe.

>> So the carbon will be caught in a canister that can be taken away and it can be reused. You combine it with a hydrogen that you've made renewably.

You've made a hydrocarbon that's petrol.

And then rather than get rid of cars when they're 15 year years old, 1.4 it is weirdly about 1.4 billion cars worldwide can be kept on the road. Yeah.

>> Which is far greener, isn't it?

>> So in China, I think um it's like 50/50 now. Uh I think the sales of um like

now. Uh I think the sales of um like what we call new energy including hybrid plug-in hybrids and electric cars uh just outsells the like pure internal combustion engine. But still there are

combustion engine. But still there are more than 50% of car running on fuel. uh

like I I I would say 70% but it's going to be balanced because um when cars are not consuming uh petrol that much and then the petrol the abundance of petrol

could last longer. So this is how we treat these things. So there are choices for us. So I think the biggest benefit

for us. So I think the biggest benefit for us for the Chinese car market is that we have choices. You can buy whatever you want. You can go for like a 1,500 horsepower. You can go for like a

1,500 horsepower. You can go for like a television or fridge. So we can get whatever you want we want and then the the because of the the the dr and then the uh imported cars the western cars uh

like the price of them really comes down.

>> What would be useful if you don't mind >> on behalf of China if you chaps wouldn't mind very quickly working out carbon capture >> because you've got the scale

>> and the resources and the money.

>> Why don't you solve that? Then you can clean the air and then we haven't got to worry about it. Then if you are burning coal to make your electricity to run your electric car so you're >> capture the carbon.

>> Yeah, that's the I would say that's the really different um thing because in China people buy electric car is not about environmental friendly or other things. It's just because of the cost

things. It's just because of the cost efficient and then for the charging and everything performance uh for the carbon I think because we our country is huge

and then we are although we have like huge population but still um for each people the average carbon use in China is just is not the highest among the

like all the countries in the world. And

I don't know that figure, is it not? So

>> no, it's not. It's not per person. It's

not just is a lot of persons >> because there are like because big cities in China, for example, Shanghai, Beijing, you can see like is so crowded, many cars. Uh but like uh when there's a

many cars. Uh but like uh when there's a like west side of the north side of China, there's like not nothing at all.

So uh concerning the whole country, the average carbon production is not that high.

>> Yeah. So this is well it's not the biggest problem we face right now.

>> So consumers here don't go out and buy a car an electric car for its environmental creds. They buy it because

environmental creds. They buy it because it works better with their life.

>> No, never. There's nothing about environmental friendly.

>> They buy it because they like the car.

>> Well, because for the same price you get 150 horsepower or 500 hor. So this is the thing. And then because

the thing. And then because >> do you know how cheap is electricity in China?

>> No. Uh so in UK do you say kilowatt hour? Same thing. Is it as? Yeah. Uh in

hour? Same thing. Is it as? Yeah. Uh in

China is like um [sighs] uh [snorts] five cents pound. Five.

pound. Five.

>> Yeah. 5.

>> So it's basically free.

>> Yeah. It's basically free.

>> Yeah. So why wouldn't you run your car on it?

>> Yeah. So so this is the thing is about like cost efficient practicality and performance. But we often again in the

performance. But we often again in the west the criticism from a lot of people about electric cars is that they don't have the same passion. They don't ignite

the same excitement and love >> as do petrol engine cars. But you guys seem as fanatical and as keen on on electric cars, >> but you've grown up in an electric car

culture. So, are you the answer to that?

culture. So, are you the answer to that?

Can you turn around and say, "No, we love them just the same."

>> No. You know what? I heard that the next car you're going to get is the Tyan.

Yeah.

>> Yeah. [laughter] So, how do you like the >> might be about to get one? I love it.

>> Yes.

>> But I'm interested. I I want you to solve this because I get it a lot. I get

people say to me, "Oh, no. I don't want electric for me. It's got to be a V8 forever. I never want to drive an

forever. I never want to drive an electric car."

electric car." >> Because they feel they're about as exciting as buying a new microwave.

>> Now, because the thing is like, you know, Tyan is a good car as no inferior to internal commercial engine costs and sometimes it has like benefits because of the hydraulic suspension or whatever.

Uh and for us because like uh we've driven different cars. We've driven like V8, V12. So uh actually after you've

V8, V12. So uh actually after you've driven so many cars, you know what is good and what is not. Uh so uh for those who just like uh shout loudly on the

internet is are those who doesn't really know about cars. That's my opinion.

>> No, that's really you. This is the country that can hold that view because you've all driven electric cars and petrol cars. you know that one doesn't

petrol cars. you know that one doesn't have to cancel out the other.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's about the the the tuning and um the understanding of car because to me I would say the the Porsche Ty GT is still a better car than the Xiaomi.

>> Yeah. Even though I I I'm the owner of both, you know, I have a Xiaomi and the Tyon. The Porsche knows how to build

Tyon. The Porsche knows how to build cars, but it's not about internal combustion engine or electrified. Yeah,

Tyan is good and it's not inferior than 911.

>> Yeah, still >> that's an expensive car to have here, isn't it?

>> Uh well, Ferrari is not uh I mean uh the price of Ferrari getting like um cheaper and cheaper now >> really because of the >> is that import tax?

>> No, because uh >> now you pay nothing for the horsepower.

So people [music] wouldn't want to pay that much for horsepower. It's about the logo design. So sports cars still have

logo design. So sports cars still have it's ground because um uh electric car you have the battery and everything. So

the size has to be huge. So uh we what we don't have is pure sport uh like electrified sports car.

>> But that's what MG are getting closer to with the cyber. That's sort of what they're going for is a simple two-seater, but it's still going to be heavy because it's electric. It has to have that weight.

>> So what we look forward to have is uh something from Lotus. But uh they are really I think um I I I I think they're acting a little bit slow because what

they uh gave us was their SUV, the sedan. But what we look forward is like

sedan. But what we look forward is like because Lotus should be the like most >> simple lightweight sports car.

>> Exactly. This is what we we're looking for.

>> Simplify and add lightness. Yeah.

>> But it's difficult when you got to have a battery. Where is battery technology

a battery. Where is battery technology going to go? When is somebody going to come up with a battery that gets closer though I suspect it will never surpass the calorific density of a liquid fuel?

>> But [music] I think uh it's going to be soon because uh solid state um the battery is coming. Oh, you know what? We

can do the dance now because >> what are we going to do?

>> We're going to dance.

>> Oh god. Are we Should I put this in drive in?

>> No, in park. Yeah,

>> it's in park. What are you going to do?

>> We are going to have some fun.

>> What is this car doing?

>> Everybody's looking at us.

>> Well, yeah, they are. And so would I be?

Cuz why is it doing this?

>> No, because it's going to demonstrate how the suspension is capable of doing.

It's like the t the panamera. You know

what they did?

>> There is something about the electric car world. I can't have a conversation

car world. I can't have a conversation with [laughter] >> No, no, carry on.

>> Something about the electric car world.

I remember I had a Tesla Model X.

>> Yeah.

>> And when it did that dance with the doors and it landed as a Christmas present.

>> Yeah. Exactly. So, it's just some some software was downloaded to your car and suddenly you got up in the morning and it could dance and flap its wings and everything.

>> Yeah.

>> I like that sense of humor because it's people realizing cars need to be fun.

>> Yeah, exactly. Because we have something new every day and because like at the beginning it was only dancing and now you can play your own music and then you dance with the rhythm of the music.

>> But I've also noticed that people in China, obviously I haven't met everybody in China because there's a lot of you.

I've met about four. But of the four people I've driven with in China, everybody just chats to their car all day, the voice control, voice activation, which we have in Western cars. You like we do you've driven

cars. You like we do you've driven >> you don't use because once I was with you didn't grow up with it >> Rolls-Royce, you know, because they launched their voice control system.

>> That's like do you really use that?

[laughter] I don't I've DK already. I'm driving with him again later. And the same with Jackie.

again later. And the same with Jackie.

No, you are Jackie.

From the second we set off, [snorts] >> he was just chatting away to his car in a way that I never would. I This is what I do. If I I drive a Porsche Turbo S.

I do. If I I drive a Porsche Turbo S.

>> So, it has, you know, you can control some things by voice, >> but I press the button and then I lean forward and um would you please turn the heating up and I don't whereas he just

chats away to it and then the car chats back. But that's partially because it's

back. But that's partially because it's tied in with the telephone >> AI. So you're just chatting to it.

>> AI. So you're just chatting to it.

>> But you know, it's on purpose because now cars like imagine uh if you only have the screen, you don't have any buttons.

>> Yeah.

>> What would you do with the thing? You

you have to search like where is my air conditioning? So the better way to

conditioning? So the better way to communicate with the car is to with the voice. But

voice. But >> isn't isn't that because you are effectively younger as car enthusiasts because cars weren't here for a long time, not for the masses. People didn't

really have cars until 40 years ago.

>> True. True. Because uh imagine Rolls-Royce owner uh the average age of Rolls-Royce owner in China is 37.

>> Are you about to tell me that's old? And

if you are, I'm going to be cross cuz it's very very young, isn't it?

>> Yeah. It's very I mean, thank you. I

[laughter] was really almost like oldest among all other cars.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But like um Yeah. So imagine

this is the Chinese car world. So, uh,

we and it's not only about electric cars because we grow up with the like, uh, all the gadgets, the smartphones and stuff >> and you just you're just used to your car sort of fits in with your life in a

different way.

>> Yeah. Imagine if for example Apple Okay.

Why Why did it start? I don't know.

[laughter] >> What did just What have you said?

>> She's You upset her.

>> No, I didn't say that anything.

Sometimes it causes a problem. Yeah. But

um imagine if 10 years ago Apple like started their car project and then there's an Apple car. I think it will be similar in uh western countries. Don't

you think so?

>> Yeah. We're just not used to it. We got

to catch up a little bit.

>> Yeah.

>> I've noticed my seat is bolstering. The

sides are holding me up.

>> Yeah. When you like do the turning this feels like a properly polished product.

This does not feel like um a kitchen utensil, a fridge or a microwave that's been styled to look like a supercar. It feels very special.

Yeah. And everything is smooth and but like Okay, one million dollar question.

Do you think this car worth like two three times the price of the Xiaomi or what was your >> uh Well, I um I'd say

they're actually very different. Okay,

>> that one feels and I was amazed. It

feels like a four-door hot saloon sort of street hot rod.

>> It really felt like that.

>> I think they've got very clever noise technology in that. The noise it makes is great, >> but it felt analog.

>> Okay, >> this feels um >> I'm I'm old school. I'm trying to Does it feel weird because it's electric?

Well, that's only one feature of it. A

car is more than just its engine, isn't it? This does. Do you know the car it's

it? This does. Do you know the car it's putting me in mind of? And this is crazy >> cuz it's nothing like it. You remember

the NSX?

>> Yeah. Which one? The the the hybrid one?

>> No.

>> The old one. Yeah.

>> When the NSX first came out and it was the usable, the everyday supercar. We'd

never experienced anything like it because supercars were fragile and difficult to see out of and delicate.

And this suddenly was tough and usable.

This feels like that but more because from the outside it looks like >> almost as crazy as those early Paganis.

>> Yeah, >> it looks like Wow.

>> When we first time saw the Avanador.

>> So, this looks like it's landed from space, but it actually feels the visibility is great. The ride is fantastic with that pushpull suspension.

>> Um, the steering is nicely weighted though. I'm sure you can change that. It

though. I'm sure you can change that. It

It does that everyday supercar thing.

Yeah, >> I'm not driving this around Shanghai thinking, "Oh god, I wish I was out in the open. It doesn't work." It's

the open. It doesn't work." It's

perfectly happy doing this, >> but I'm sure it Well, I know if we were to put it on the Nurburg Ring, we [laughter] could really really get What would be the range on this?

>> This one, it's a almost a boring question to ask, but >> no, but it's important because you have to charge it there. Okay, so now we have like 70% um of the battery and then it

go still can go like 360. So I would say the real range would be around like 400 kind of.

>> And given that you have the infrastructure here >> that you're not going to be panicking.

If this was in >> a lot of the West, I'd be thinking, "Oh no, I'm going to run out of electricity and I've got nowhere to charge it." You

have the charger network.

>> Yeah. Everywhere basically because like sometimes you go for lunch or you go for a cafe and then you can just charge it there.

>> Where would I charge it now?

>> Just here and there and everywhere.

Where where's it? I I don't know.

>> No, like inside the parking for example like underground parking you have like a fast charging there like uh can charge your car in 20 minutes.

>> So you don't even think about charging.

>> No charging is just everywhere. Uh the

only thing that you have uh concern is like during public holiday for example Chinese New Year and then everybody drives their electric car out and then so you have to queue for the charging.

You know where it is but sometimes you have to queue for 2 hours.

>> Oh right.

>> Yeah. That's the time that you don't want any electric car. That's just you have to think about it.

>> Yeah. That's why some people like for example white family cars are usually like hybrid or like extender because uh it's because it goes for like further places but this this type of supercar

you don't worry about it.

>> So enthu is an enthusiast's car more likely to be electric here.

Well, we have some petrol cars. Uh but

um yes, I would say because um uh in order to catch up the performance of uh European cars, we this is the only way.

We're not um that experience with internal combustion engine, >> but I haven't seen a single car like a 911 here or uh I have seen that M2 that we've got with us,

>> but not a sort of you can you can you get a hot European petrol car.

>> Yes. But you know what? It is like Thursday. Absolutely. Why would it get

Thursday. Absolutely. Why would it get out? This is the thing. You have a

out? This is the thing. You have a point. But I mean, are the taxes is it

point. But I mean, are the taxes is it expensive? If I if I lived in Shanghai

expensive? If I if I lived in Shanghai and said, I really want a 992.2 GT3.

>> Expensive. Yes. Yeah. But the import tax and everything. So, uh it's only for

and everything. So, uh it's only for rich people, I would say.

>> Well, I mean, they're not a cheap car anyway. They

anyway. They >> No, but like you pay extra for that.

Yeah. Because, uh how much is it?

Yeah. So he wants to >> Are we dancing again?

>> No, no, not the dancing. The the jump again. What they want?

again. What they want?

>> Okay. Yeah, let's do it.

[laughter] >> No matter how many times you breaking itself.

>> [laughter] >> If my car did that, I'd get out and see, right? It snapped.

right? It snapped.

>> I've ruined it.

>> Yeah. But you're with us, so cheap. [laughter]

cheap. [laughter] >> So, um, a GT3 in the UK is aboutund.

It's £200,000 by the time you >> Ah, so it's not that cheap comparing to here. It's like, uh, well, with all the

here. It's like, uh, well, with all the options, it's like, um, two, uh, I would say two 250.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, a little bit expensive. Yeah.

the Vac.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. So, it's

>> So, what would a Chinese car enthusiast dream of owning?

>> And I don't mean a really really rich one that's got all of them. I mean,

[laughter] >> the normal China car is we like to have, but like for >> like a Xiaomi Sue 7 Ultra, that's kind of a dream car for for like entry

levels. [clears throat]

levels. [clears throat] Yeah. But the thing is uh the the the

Yeah. But the thing is uh the the the different thing is because like usually when when you were young for example do you imagine your first dream car you remember which one was that?

>> Um it was either the Ford Escort RS200.

>> Wow. That one is just nice.

>> Or then it became the Lamborghini Countach.

>> Okay. But uh

>> that was Yeah. We all that was the >> Okay. Yeah. That was like a poster car.

>> Okay. Yeah. That was like a poster car.

[laughter] >> Precisely.

>> Yeah. But um in China uh the thing is because we everything um like all the performance cars not all but like most of the performance cars starts with electricity and then uh the horsepower

is a little bit too much for amateur driver you know.

>> Yeah. I can't use 3,000 horsepower in town.

>> Most you can start with 5 500 600.

[laughter] >> Yeah. Imagine Countach is just like 300

>> Yeah. Imagine Countach is just like 300 something.

>> Yeah. So um uh we we just skip that 200 300 and then we start with 700 800. So I

would say the problem of that is um the driving skill of the driver average driver is not keeping up with the performance of the car. So uh that's why there are like brands having some problems and that's why they launch

their driving courses. If you want to like uh like be good on this car, you better take the course.

>> Oh the brands do that.

>> Yeah. Xiaomi they are doing this and Yang Wang is going to do this. Perfect

sense.

>> Yeah.

>> You got some hope of marshalling that power.

>> You need to learn how to use 1,00 horsepower.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, this is the way that we do it.

>> So, just a little bit more on the car culture.

>> Yeah. Sure.

>> Do Chinese people is the places where they gather together? Do you go to car shows? Do you hang out with your mates?

shows? Do you hang out with your mates?

Do you do cruises? What do you do?

>> Uh, yeah. You know the track culture is getting more and more popular now because uh of uh those track record breaking and then um because now we

think that if you can drive on track you drive fast it means that you're cool you you're like driving. Yeah. So the track culture is becoming more and more popular now. So uh that's why where we

popular now. So uh that's why where we gather together and then to try out our cars and then to break each other's record. This is what happening now.

record. This is what happening now.

>> But you know above all else >> Yeah. Wait a second. This day is

>> Yeah. Wait a second. This day is teaching me that >> um wherever you go in the world, >> it's the car culture. It's just the common thing. It's we share the same

common thing. It's we share the same thing. The cars might be completely

thing. The cars might be completely different, but the thing that we love, this machine that moves us, enables us to get out into the world and do the things we want to do. We love it.

>> It doesn't matter. It is like what what engine it has >> or even where it was made.

>> Okay.

>> It's just a car. That's an exciting thing.

>> Jackie, this is a pretty cool piece of kit. I mean, I've only driven it around.

kit. I mean, I've only driven it around.

>> You know what? Uh if you would like to thing >> drive it in UK we can arrange that.

>> Yeah thanks. [laughter]

There isn't room.

>> It's too wide right.

>> Okay you have to press this one and then Okay. Is it in talking? No it is in

Okay. Is it in talking? No it is in talk.

>> Okay. Okay. They asked us to jump again.

Yeah. I'll put my seat belt on before we do the stupid thing. Right.

Okay. Seat belt on.

>> Okay. You have to put it like a No, the steering wheel straight in the middle.

Straight. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Okay.

>> Ready?

>> Three, two, one.

>> Again. [laughter]

>> It's still fun to do that.

>> The stupidest thing a car's ever done.

>> Kind [laughter] of. There's no possible explanation for >> I mean, like in Top Gear, the Grand Tour, you'd always do stupid things.

[laughter] Yeah, built it in. Yeah,

exactly. Thank you.

>> Thank you so much.

>> My pleasure. It's just like real pleasure.

>> Well, nice to meet you, man. How right?

Yeah, >> it's cool. It's a go. No, the butterfly way. [laughter] Let's see.

way. [laughter] Let's see.

>> That car is tired to to drive it because it's too hard. That is so funny. It's a

lovely thing.

Yeah, I would like to share also why I'm here because like in the car I was like telling Hammond that um everything starts with top here and then Yeah. Uh

then I will continue in Chinese. Yeah.

Because it's easier for them to speak.

So >> yeah. Yeah.

>> yeah. Yeah.

Top gear hammer.

Women's offense.

also come here at events.

>> Thank you.

>> And Jackie have looked after me. We have

had I think we made quite a cool film which I think you'll enjoy seeing when it's done. So, thank you you.

it's done. So, thank you you.

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