Amazon (AWS) Broke The Internet - WAN Show October 24, 2025

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WAN show coming to you live from behind

the great

firewall. We've got a fantastic show

lined up for you guys today. What do we

want to talk about? Oh, I don't know.

How about the fact that an Amazon snafu

broke the flipping internet? Um,

affecting it in ways that I don't think

pretty much anyone could have seen

coming. Like seriously, major services,

banks, um, heated beds were not

operating correctly. And we're going to

we're going to get into get it get get

into the impact. Uh, we're also going to

be talking about, oh, I don't know, how

about the CS2

skins market losing a casual $2 billion

in value because of a change that Valve

made. But here's the thing, guys. Valve

can't rug pull if they never told you

guys to buy this stuff. Uh, we'll get

into that. What else we got this week?

>> They're using jet engines to supplement

power for growing AI data centers.

That's cool and not a problem. Also,

actually kind of cool, YouTube's

likeness detection tech has officially

launched. What does that mean? It means

good things as far as I can tell. We'll

talk about that later.

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>> All right, why don't we jump right into

our big headline topic this week? A

major outage of Amazon Web Services

rendered large parts of the internet

unusable earlier this week, breaking

hundreds of apps, websites, and games

that rely on the service. Uh, brace

yourselves guys because here is a

non-comprehensive list of

pretty small

>> pretty small web services you might have

heard of that were impacted.

>> Alexa, Ring. Okay, that all makes sense.

That's th those are Amazon services.

Reddit Snapchat Wordle Roblox

Amazon. Okay, that one. Many major

banks. Ring, Robin Hood, HBO Max, Venmo,

Epic Games, McDonald's, Fortnite, Lift,

Hulu, Disney Plus, Roku, Signal Stream,

Reddit, Zoom, Pokemon Go, PlayStation

Network, AI services such as Perplexity,

and services from AT&T, Verizon, and

T-Mobile along with many others around

the world. As much as a third of

internet sites and services rely in some

way on Amazon Web Services, better known

as AWS. Now, Luke, can we take a moment

>> to just kind of pause from this and talk

about how bat crap crazy that is? Not

because we are giving an American mega

corporation so much power and putting

them in a position where they can where

they are the the the the the keystone of

the entire freaking online lives lives

that we live. Well, combine it with

Cloudflare and it's like even crazier.

>> But because Amazon is really expensive.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, how is a third of the internet

using AWS? It's so expensive.

>> As much as it's really expensive, nobody

got fired for using AWS. Also, AWS is

really expensive for

mostly specifically the use case that we

had. Um, and it's it's less expensive

for that now. It's still really

expensive though. uh if you're doing

small transactiony kind of things on it

and you're doing it efficiently, it can

be it can be kind of all right. Um

it's also expensive to have engineers on

staff managing your own servers. Um like

like how things are expensive is is

questionable. Someone said Amazon is the

new IBM. It's like kind of um a lot of

places just do that by default. Um, a

lot of these services as well, like one

part of it would work on AWS. It

wouldn't be like their entire thing is

on AWS. Um,

like we actually technically this stream

for float plane is coming through AWS.

>> No.

>> Heavens no.

>> Yeah. So like it's but but the vast

majority of our service is not literally

only that portion. Uh because IVS their

their whole like Twitch thing um is is

pretty easy to use.

So

>> yeah, so in a nutshell, AWS does provide

a legitimately good service that can be

affordable. And I mean honestly I still

I still remember when we were first

starting up float plane and even in the

years preceding that what a big deal it

was to be AWS certified which basically

as far as you know from my conversations

with you basically meant that people

went to a

Amazon was pretty much making it so

affordable and so easy to develop

services with AWS

um that being AWS US certified pretty

much meant that, you know, you could you

could color in a coloring book compared

to, you know, the old way. And uh you I

remember you not really caring very much

about that when people were applying. Um

>> it was just so much easier to get than

than many other things. And like it's

there's a big gap between someone who

can build things in AWS and someone who

can build things in AWS efficiently and

that is like incredibly important. Um,

>> right. And then and then I remember you

saying like this is basically Amazon's

power play to have everybody certified

in spending money at Amazon.

>> Yeah.

>> And it's going to kill like the and and

and there's there's certainly something

to be said for standards. you know,

standards are good, but it's going to

it's going to kill the just like

boutique website uh boutique hosting and

and and data service data serving

businesses and skills. it's going to

kill those skills and we're going to be

left with this world where everything

just runs on AWS because it was so even

then it wasn't affordable in all cases

but in many cases it was very affordable

and um the people getting certified and

the people implementing these services

weren't the ones spending the money so

for the things that were expensive or

once they ramped up the pricing there'd

be no incentive for the people who

maintain these services to move off of

AWS especially if it's the only thing

that they And it feels like this outage

is pretty much the doomsday scenario or

at least a hint of what a doomsday

scenario like you imagined might look

like. Is that is that kind of fair to

say? I mean, this is a like literally

10year-old conversation at this point,

but

>> yeah, I mean, this is this is pretty

much exactly it. Um, I actually thought

it was going to be even more. I I think

like more recently over the last few

years some places have been going back

to their own managed stuff. Uh which I I

I don't know if I

it's it's hard to remember back then but

I I I think I would have expected that

to not be happening. Um I don't

>> know we did talk about that. We both

wanted it. We both didn't understand why

on prem was not it wasn't just not

really used as much.

>> It was like

>> looked down upon. It was it was shunned.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I got crapped on having onsite

archival storage. Yeah. Exactly. Are you

a caveman?

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and so I think we both

>> wanted onrem to be able.

>> No. No. I I I don't think so at all. and

and I'm happy that it is kind of coming

back and I don't think this outage is

like why it's coming back to be clear.

>> Um a very I think it's to do with money

rare case outage is not Yeah. is not

what people are running away from. Um I

think it's money. I think it's control

uh exactly privacy stuff like that. Um

it's

yeah it's interesting but yeah this

outage was was crazy. Um,

yeah, it's one one interesting loop is

if I remember correctly when Pokemon Go

first went because that was one of the

things mentioned in this list. When

Pokemon Go first went live, their server

struggled and AWS like tweeted or

something and was like, "Hey, we can

like help you with that." Um,

>> yep.

>> So, I guess they figured something out

there because I didn't actually know

they had started working with them.

NCIX's weekly specials uh during major

events like Boxing Day, which uh for

those of you not in Canada or the UK or

Australia is was kind of Canada's Black

Friday until Black Friday kind of made

its way into the international space.

>> Um

like every Boxing Day, our site would

just be completely unusable. sometimes

for for a very long period of time. I

remember and

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I wasn't I wasn't saying

it for you. I

>> I just I found some pack like, you know,

we've been my house has been we've been

moving stuff around constantly to get

out of the way of certain types of work

and whatnot. And I found a few boxes

that had NCX uh barcode labels on them.

And I was like, "Hell yeah,

>> we're back." Anyway, so we we like one

year like magically solved it. And when

I found out that our solution was to use

AWS, I was like losing my mind because I

was sitting here going like if this is

not

a sign of the end times, I don't know

what is. We are literally

hiring like paying large amounts of

money because this is during you know

peak hours and and uh we were using more

than just you know hosting. I think we

were using like DOS protection services

from them and stuff like that. Like

basically it was a whole AWS package

that we were buying to to in a desperate

attempt to keep our website up. And I

was like we are cooked because

like yes obviously part of being a

retailer is having the right the right

stock right having the right pricing

having the relationship with the

customer you know the email newsletter

list you know all those things that that

make you a retailer. But part of being

an online retailer is having a modern

tech deployment that allows you to to be

competitive in the modern space. And you

know, at this time, you know, not only

am I sitting reading about, you know,

Amazon's super advanced mega warehouses

and and Prime and whatever, right?

Remember, this is relatively early days.

They were just kind of moving into

Canada. But now I'm sitting here going,

our infrastructure, our web

infrastructure, which is our whole

thing, nobody can access us without it,

is so bad, so outdated, so broken that

we're literally hiring the competitor

that is going to move in and eat our

lunch to desperately keep our website

alive for just a little bit longer. I

just it it was it was such a moment for

me

is it's like like what could I dude what

could I what could I compare that to it

it would be like freaking you know Sam's

Club um having to having to lease floor

space in Costco in order to sell bulk

pianos or whatever you know like trying

to I'm trying to you get what I mean

though right

>> for sure it's I mean it's the it's one

of The weirdest things with kick for me,

right, is it's like

>> it would be like Lowe's buying their

inventory from Home Depot. Like

effectively their entire site from

Amazon.

>> Yeah.

>> It's it's so it's so interesting to me

because they're the same business model

basically. Like it's not exactly, but

it's so similar. Um

Yeah. And then and then you know that

Twitch is basically not making money.

So, it's like what's happening?

I can guarantee you IVS is making money,

which is which is Amazon's like live

streaming thing. And then I believe

they're also getting other services from

Amazon as well. So, like, you know,

they're definitely making money off of

like I have I have speculated and I

don't I used to have a bunch of friends

at Twitch and they all retired now

because they made that Amazon stock

money. But um if I had someone to talk

to, I I would ask them this. But at a

certain point, the whole Twitch doesn't

make money thing. I almost wonder if it

like doesn't really matter because

that's what they're using to keep the

tech stack nice and fresh to sell to

other people anyways. So like whatever.

>> It's just their own internal test

vehicle.

>> Yeah.

>> And every once in a while there's a

random scandal over a hot tub nip slip

or a

>> Sure. you know, a little bit of, you

know, messaging people in Discord that

probably shouldn't have been done and we

can just kind of blinders on, ignore

this thing and

>> yeah,

>> test our technology and if it ultimately

doesn't work out, then I guess whatever

I I

>> Yeah, cuz like

>> I don't think it's a terrible

hypothesis. they still need a thing to

hold up and go like we can do a lot of

this and really well and having that

>> in their own control is like the best

advertisement they could have um and

then when people talk about Twitch they

still talk about Twitch as its own

island. It's very rare for like the news

cycle to be like Amazon's Twitch,

>> oh yeah,

>> has this so and so scandal. They just

say Twitch. So they're they're still

pretty insulated from the scandals and

it's an incredible advertisement for a

very expensive service.

>> Like here hear me out on this.

>> Would William Osman

have done Sauce Plus with us if we

didn't have Flow Plane?

>> Yeah. No.

>> And I think Yeah, you got the answer is

obviously

having your own Yeah.

>> Yeah. I I Oh, I don't think so.

>> It would have been really weird.

>> I wouldn't have believed that we had the

credibility to do it if we didn't have

our own test vehicle.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> Yeah, makes makes sense.

>> We u got about 20% of the way through

the notes on this topic, so I'm going to

keep going. Um,

Amazon's subsequent investigation into

the out outage determined that it

impacted customer applications over

three distinct periods. Uh, so starting

just before midnight uh, Pacific time

Sunday, Amazon Web Services began

experiencing increased DynamoB API error

rates in the US East1 region. Uh,

DynamoB is a serverless, fully managed

NoSQL database that powers many

hightraic Amazon properties, including

Alexa, Amazon.com, and all Amazon

fulfillment centers. It also serves AWS

customers, and when it's functional,

routinely handles more than 1 billion

requests per hour. Uh, yeah, the root

cause was found to be a latent defect in

the services automatic DNS management. I

was about to say exactly what Jordan

wrote in the notes. It's always DNS.

Like I can I can practically picture

Seinfeld being like like Newman DNS, you

know, my arch rival DNS issues.

Sometimes it can even be intentional DNS

issues. Um I Okay, we're going on

another side track here. Going on

another side quest. So, I have this

issue when I fly where I don't I like to

use multiple devices on the internet.

You know, sometimes I have my laptop up

and I want to play a game with my

controller and my bigger screen and I

just I need to be able to validate that

Steam's online because I forgot to

launch it before I took off. Whatever.

That doesn't matter. The point is I

might also want to have my phone texting

on WhatsApp with my wife um at the same

time. But what I don't like to do is pay

for two separate internet connections on

the same flight. It's like, bro, you

already got my $18 or whatever for like

4 hours of internet. That is that is not

something I'm going to do two times.

Doesn't matter how much I could afford

it. It doesn't matter. If I was

literally a billionaire, I would not pay

for internet twice on one flight. I

simply won't. It's it's the principle of

the thing. So,

Windows actually has uh and I don't know

when they when they added this or at

least when it got so convenient, uh but

Windows has a feature to use your laptop

as a mobile hotspot. And what's really

cool about it is my understanding is

there is a way to do this on Android as

well because I I've talked about this

before and someone pointed out you can

do it on Android as well, but I

certainly haven't found a very

convenient way to do it. um

where you can share a Wi-Fi connection

over Wi-Fi. So on Windows, you can have

your Wi-Fi internet connection shared

over Wi-Fi. Like internet connection

sharing has been a thing like five ever.

Uh if you had a wired connection, you

could share it over Wi-Fi. Or if you had

a wireless connection, you could share

it over I think you could do like

Bluetooth and even like infrared back in

the day. There's there's there's all

kinds of stuff. Um, but anyway, the

point is I've been using this for years.

Um, so I would like plug my laptop when

I didn't even want to use my laptop at

all because I would buy internet for my

laptop. I would like turn off sleep when

closing the lid, plug it into the power

outlet by my seat, and just like put it

on the floor and then keep using the

internet off of my laptop hot spot, then

pull it up when I want to use my laptop.

So, I could use it to have a whole hot

spot for me and my homies on the plane.

It's been great. But but over the last I

don't know and and it depends on the

airline. Some of them caught on to it

pretty quick and some of them seem to

have caught on to it a little slower.

over the last couple of years maybe they

have started to

wise up and they they they've been doing

something something to make it so that

the and I'm going to get the terminology

wrong here because I only had to look

this up because I was trying to solve

this problem on a on a stupid flight but

basically you know the little internet

status indicator in the in the system

tray on Windows.

>> Okay. Yeah. like the little the little,

you know, globe or the little um the

little like Wi-Fi thing. Okay.

>> Um

they're they were doing something to

make that status indicator not detect

that you have an internet connection.

And when they do that, a whole bunch of

stuff doesn't work. Uh so WhatsApp uh

the like the the Windows WhatsApp client

doesn't work. Um, Windows update

obviously doesn't work. I can totally

understand why they wouldn't want

anybody, you know, performing Windows

updates on a plane and and maybe that

was a big part of their motivation for

implementing this, but any service that

requires that requires your computer to

know that it is online doesn't work. A

web browser works. You can be online all

you want, but if the computer doesn't

know it, there's certain services that

won't work. And a mobile hotspot is one

of them. So,

I spent probably, and this is this is

really dumb, but one of the a previous

flight that I was on, I spent probably

an hour of my like 3-hour flight pass

just trying to overcome this obstacle

because it just had become kind of an

interesting challenge.

>> And I didn't manage to do it because my

Google Fu simply wasn't strong enough.

But on this last flight, I managed to do

it with a little bit of help from some

old friends. Uh David Pancratz, who

hasn't appeared on camera too much. He

was in the um the Forte

uh VR headset video recently, but yeah,

he's super cool guy. Very technical.

>> Wars. You want to see a bunch of him?

>> Oh, yeah. Right. Obviously, he was uh he

was on my team in Scrapyard Wars.

Anyway, David's super cool. And uh he

pinged me. He sent me in the right

direction. He's like, "Can you get here

by any chance?

www.msftncsi.comncsi.txt."

So,

I had already found this weird GitHub

that I had linked in my Reddit post

asking people to kind of help me with

this that claimed to bypass this issue

by setting up like a like a local a

local server essentially that runs on

your own machine and tricks Windows into

pinging that to check for connectivity.

So, it'll just always think it's

connected because you you're always you

can always be connected to yourself. Uh

but but David sort of linked me up with

the with the terminology and as soon as

I tried to go to that URL, it redirected

to the airlines captive portal signin

page and I was like ah

DNS. So, basically, they're doing some

funky stuff with DNS that makes it so

that you can't access uh the the NCSI

network connection, you know, what

whatever whatever the whatever the

service is called. And long story short,

I finally managed to fix it. And if you

guys ever run into this, what you have

to do is you have to switch over to uh

passive mode.

So, normally the default for Windows is

to actively ping that specific URL. And

I don't I I'm sure there's a really good

technical reason why you would want to

ping a specific

URL in order to determine if your

internet is on versus just more broadly

sort of

recognizing that the internet is on by

just, you know, seeing if there's

internet traffic coming in. Like I

remember back in the day, like you you

probably remember this too, Luke. You'd

run into situations all the time where

the indicator looks great, right? It's

like you're connected to the internet,

but you just totally wouldn't have an

internet connection.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um but I but I was reminded but I but I

was reminded of this topic because

I was thinking like, dude, what would

happen

if that service went down?

If Microsoft NCSI went down like

and everyone's computers just were

connected to the internet but didn't

know they were connected to the

internet, dude, that would be that would

be wild. Okay, so hold on. I found my

post on Reddit where I explained the

fix. Um so yeah you need to disable

active probing which and it's always a

registry hack is just a single registry

value that you switch off for active

probing and it switches on passive

probing which does exactly what I would

have intuited is the better way to do

this where it just kind of monitors for

internet traffic once in a while and if

it detects it goes yep you're connected

to the

and then turns on the little icon that

says you're connected to the internet

and allows you to use whatever services

you want. So, that was a really it's

very early and I'm in another time zone

and my brain's not really functioning

correctly meandering way of telling the

story of I can now use my mobile hotspot

on the plane and also if that service

from Microsoft ever goes down, I'm good.

>> Yeah.

Yeah. You can you can hit with a cool

story, bro. I think I deserve it.

>> It's a little bit of a cool story, bro.

Uh that is interesting, though. Like, it

is it is

this is like one of the twigs at the

bottom of the pile of things that's

keeping the internet alive right now.

And we saw one of the twigs break for a

small period of time. Uh and the impact

of that. There are other ones. I

mentioned Cloudflare earlier. This

sounds like kind of

in a different vein, but one of them.

Um, but it's it's it's just it's

interesting how fragile this thing that

like an enormous percentage of a lot of

people's lives uh relies on. It's It's

pretty wild.

Yeah. Um people uh have some comments on

the whole

um

uh probing thing. Panda says they're

doing something similar with cruise

lines, too. Yep, that totally makes

sense. [ __ ] says some apps don't use the

Windows API and do their own check. Uh,

but many do use the Microsoft method.

Yep. So, a lot of things work. A lot of

things flipping don't. Uh, oh man, Steam

had a bug for a little while. Um, I

think they fixed it maybe about a month

ago for me, but it was driving me

absolutely crazy where Steam wouldn't

know that it was connected to the

internet unless I was in desktop mode.

Like, it wouldn't know in big picture.

So, I went a span of like at least a

month without not being in big picture

on my on my ally. And so I didn't get an

update to a new version of the tape to

tape like pre-BA uh like the the the

feedback build that I was on. And so I

kept giving them feedback that was like

based on an old build and I had no idea

because

>> my Steam just like wasn't connected to

the internet for over a month. And

>> what the heck?

>> I I didn't know there were any updates

to the game. And then the second I

flipped out into desktop mode, it

updated and I was like, "Oh crap, this

Sorry guys, this is embarrassing, but

I've been running an ancient build while

I've been like sending all of these the

these feedback."

>> That would have driven me nuts, dude.

>> Dude, I know. I know. I I felt so bad. I

felt so bad, but I I just I didn't know.

>> I had no idea.

>> I can't reproduce this problem. And then

I looked it up and it was a thing. Like

people

>> people just they're like, "Oh yeah, the

fix is just to switch to desktop mode."

I'm like that that is that is so dumb.

Why would being in big picture mode make

it so that Steam doesn't know that it's

connected to the internet? That's wild.

>> Weird. Yeah. I don't know.

>> Yeah. If anyone has any insight into why

that would have been that Wow.

>> would love to would love to hear about

it. I I just immediately jumped to like

was that the easiest way for them to

just make it so that you don't download

in the background.

>> Uh

>> it shouldn't be. They have other ways to

handle that.

>> Val, you mean?

>> Yeah.

>> There's no way. Oh, off brandand law

says, "I work with an engineer who

worked on Big Picture. I'll get back to

you next week."

>> Cool.

>> Okay. Yeah. Like I would I would love

I'd love to know why.

>> Seems very

>> I'd love to know why.

>> Uh but I like seriously I looked it up.

This was not just me. This was a thing.

>> Sorry. I shall continue and we shall

actually get through this topic at some

point. Uh the Dynamo DB issue also

impacted EC2, Amazon's on demand

computing service, resulting in

increased API errors, increased latency,

and failure to launch new instances in

the US East1 region. Um the problems

with EC2 impacted the network load

balancer and all services that use

network load balancer due to failing

node health checks. All these issues of

course cause problems for other

dependent Amazon services with

operations only returning to fully

normal by about 4 a.m. Tuesday.

>> Tuesday.

If you enjoy massive walls of tiny text,

you can check out Amazon's postevent

summary. Dan, if you want to throw that

in the chat, that'd be that'd be kind of

cool. Uh CNN Business reported that the

financial impact of this outage could be

in the hundreds of billions. Okay, that

>> Yeah,

>> I don't know about that. That seems like

it might just be one of those like and

AI could gain sentience and take over

the world like Yeah, maybe. But also

like we're never going to be able to

measure this,

>> you know. It could have been more than a

hund00 million.

>> Yeah,

>> it could have been.

>> It could have been

some of the less serious impacts. Uh

owners of eight sleep smart beds were

unable to change position or temperature

of their beds. Uh which is ridiculous

and something that Luke and I have

talked about on the WAN show before.

There is no reason whatsoever that two

devices on the same Wi-Fi should have to

relay through a cloud server to talk to

each other when they are both just

devices you flipping own. The only

possible reason is an excess of control

from the company that you bought it

from.

>> Don't forget about an excess of data

collection, Luke. You've forgotten the

other possible reason.

>> Uh yeah, true. Maybe both. I think in

this case, it's both.

>> Anyway, in response, has added an outage

mode to their beds, which should just be

the default operating mode, but

whatever. I guess this is progress. Um,

some Slack users found themselves unable

to leave audio conversations.

That's

potentially really awkward, but also

pretty funny.

>> I had that problem. It was actually

totally fine because everyone else was

able to leave. Um, but yeah.

>> So, you just uh Does Slack does Slack

give you that forever alone message like

Discord does? Hey, it appears you're in

this voice chat by yourself. Um, that's

pretty sad. Also, we're going to turn

off our Our server is now

>> we're going to disconnect. No, but it

plays it plays like lobby music. Um

>> and it's like actually pretty great

lobby music.

>> So it it was it was pretty chill to be

honest.

>> Cool. Cool. Um Premier League soccer

officials were forced to manually

confirm off-side calls when their

AWS-based semi-automated off-site

technology was unavailable.

>> Oh, that's funny.

>> Starbucks users were forced to talk to a

human to order their drinks. That's

probably the worst outage out of all of

them.

>> And Wordle and Dolingo lost their minds

about broken streaks. It looks like the

streaks were maintained by the

respective devs though. Um or it looks

Yeah. Uh so yeah,

>> cool.

>> Oh, the discussion question is the the

first thing I said basically.

>> Yeah. So we can move on.

>> Sure. Yes, we are dependent on a small

handful of services. And yes, it's a

terrible, terrible, terrible thing.

>> And and to to to give the discussion

questions some some credit, the the AWS

plus Cloudflare combo is a particularly

devastating

uh you know, two support beams to just

chop right at the knees if you wanted to

hurt the internet.

>> All right. You want to pick a next topic

for us? I can't see Dan's messages, so I

don't know what we're talking about.

>> It's still topic two. Let's talk about

this one, cuz it's just it's interesting

to me. The Counter-Strike 2 market cap

for skins dropped by almost two

billion dollars.

>> Billion.

>> Oh my god. Counter-Strike pushed an

update this week that affected the way

certain items can now be combined to

create rarer ones, often much harder to

achieve through the game's loot box

mechanics. If I remember correctly, this

combining of things to get a new one was

a mechanic back in TF2

at a certain point.

>> I could be wrong. You're a different

history here.

>> You're forgetting the full history here.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> This combining mechanic,

>> okay, was first implemented

>> by caries

at carnivals.

>> You walk up, you see the shiny big bear.

>> Oh my god. You play the game, you get a

tiny plastic trinket totally.

>> You trade up plastic.

>> To be clear, I actually do think that

overall in the long run, this is

probably a healthier thing for making

CS2 gambling on skins less of a thing.

Maybe, hopefully, possibly. hopefully.

>> But it still it still has its roots in

grift games.

>> Okay. Okay. I've got I've got a theory.

I've got a theory here. Um this hurts

the market, but the market is

a lot of it is gray market, right?

People are trading off platform, trading

cash off platform and then trading the

items in game. That's a lot of the

movement. This in my opinion will not

reduce the amount of activity that Valve

sees.

>> Oh, if anything,

exactly. I suspect this will increase

Valve's like touch points because you

might be more incentivized to buy a loot

box if you're like, I can just trade up.

I'm not I'm not losing any value because

I can just trade up and get something

better later. Um, but the the unoptanium

of things might have actually scared

people off a little bit. Very

interesting. Very interesting. Also,

more lower value items I think increases

the chance that people are going to

trade through the Valve marketplace

instead of these offplatform

marketplaces. So, yeah, if anything, I

think this is Valve just being like,

we're going to change the playing field

a little bit and make a lot more money.

Uh, one knife was sold for about $14,000

just before this update, and it is now

valued at about half of that. The person

who sold that is stoked. While some of

the more common items known as reds,

which are are used to create these rare

items, saw an increase in as much as 10

times the market value. That makes

sense.

>> This brought the estimated $6 billion

market

What? Down to just under 4.3 billion.

>> So, oh Nameless in float plane chat says

China uses it as kind of a pseudo pseudo

financial market investment vehicle

because of government limitations on

what they can invest in. And they're all

running away at the moment because Valve

disrupted it. And that's why it's

crashing way harder than it should.

>> Ah,

>> which I thought is an interesting

perspective. I don't know much about CS2

skins in China, but it kind of makes

sense.

>> Yeah,

>> some people got lucky. One Reddit user

apparently had their worthless inventory

skyrocket to about $4.4 4 million US.

>> Yeah. And the real winners are Valve. Uh

since they get a 5% Steam transactions

fee and a 10% Counter-Strike 2 fee,

which basically means Valve gets a 15%

cut on any panic buying and selling

except when it's on off platform. But

yeah, still crazy. Do you think this

counts as market manipulation? Uh, no.

Seeing as how at any moment Valve or or

other game companies can profit off from

these changes. Yeah. Which is why you

probably shouldn't use it as a store of

value.

>> Yeah. These I mean that's the whole

that's the whole thing. That's it's not

market manipulation if it's not a

market. It's not supposed to be a

market. people like if like this is like

saying this is like calling the Lego

company a market manipulator if they

decide to

reprint a bunch of minifigures

like that's totally within their rights

to do. You can't that that's the reason

why actual financial markets are

regulated or supposed to be regulated

properly. Uh because it it prevents this

kind of thing. But like yeah, lol

inverse says ah yes, Magic the

Gathering. Exactly. Like you can't rely

on a corporation whose interests are

completely opposed to your own to behave

as some sort of like weird benevolent

protector of the of the of your little

sort of pseudo financial market. Like

that's not that's not how they work.

What do you

>> say? Trust me, bro guy. I mean, even if

we were to go back to the backpack

warranty thing, it was a completely

separate argument. My my argument was

that it would be devastating for my

brand if I didn't take care of things,

>> which which

>> it is in my best interest to take care

of things. Our interests are aligned.

while true wasn't wasn't a great

argument. But um

>> no, but it's a very true one. Look what

happened.

>> Sure. Sure.

>> The neg the negative result of me

pointing out like literally proved my

point Luke.

>> That's really funny. Uh Euroblue said

>> Euroblue tagged me and said, "What are

you smoking? If the market shrinks in

value, uh Valve also makes less money.

They made it to make knives more

accessible." No. If if transactions ramp

like crazy because people think knives

are more accessible, Valve will make a

bunch of money. A lot of these extremely

high value transactions were happening

off platform, meaning Valve was not

getting a cut from it. They want more

smaller stuff to happen because there's

a higher chance that happens on platform

and then they do get a cut from it. Um,

also everything I'm saying is

speculation, but I think that's what's

going on. I I have a pretty strong

assumption that's what's going on.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hob Hobbs is saying

that uh Valve gets 100% on key purchases

to open crates. And if you're more

willing to open a crate now because you

can see value in it because you can just

roll upwards. Um then they're they're

getting money from the key and as you if

if you trade skins on platform, they're

getting money from that as well. They

want to sell keys and they want

transactions between players to stay on

platform as much as possible because

then they're pulling

>> they win when you try to throw your ball

in Jennifer Love Huitt's mouth. They win

again if you do happen to, you know, win

a few little, you know, crappy plastic

keychains. They win again if you trade

those crappy plastic keychains up for

Terrence and Philip dolls. They win

again if you sell your Terrence and

Philip doll. Like it's it's shenanigans,

man. It's pure shenanigans.

>> Yeah,

>> couple people got the reference

>> maybe. But I never had a knife

>> and now I have one and I'm happy.

Thanks, Valve. Cool, dude.

>> That's totally fine.

>> All right. Can I just suggest Can I just

suggest that if you really want a knife,

okay, if you want a knife that badly,

okay, you can just head over to

Kickstarter, okay? I'm going to post

this link in the chat for you, okay? You

can head over to Kickstarter where the

hacksmith is selling his incredible

21in-1 titanium multi-tool.

>> Okay.

>> Um, you can you can get it for hold on.

Okay. What's What's the lowest pledge

that is actually still available?

>> Uh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

No, I don't think they're I don't think

they're I don't think they're shipping

yet. Uh, the point is

>> I don't think you can do any of these.

>> Oh, man. Man, is he not taking orders?

>> Is it because I'm not signed in or

>> is it over? Whatever. The point is find

some way to give a real person real

actual money for a real actual knife.

Okay, there. That's it.

>> I thought you were going to apparently

>> with the with the uh the hammer.

>> Then start saving up because it's an

expensive knife. You can save up and

then when it's available, you can buy

it. Don't buy a Don't buy a digital

knife. Because this is what happens.

Someday CS2 might not exist.

someday, you know, gay men or the

stewards of Valve that he apparently has

like kind of worked out so that Valve

will still be chill as he passes or

whatever. Apparently. Apparently.

>> Um, but someday this might not be the

way that it is right now. And this is

not this is not a good sustainable

forever thing. Okay,

cool.

Good chat.

not financial advice.

>> Yeah, some people have made incredible

amounts of money, like wild amounts of

money on on CS skins. I find I find

anytime it's like tangental stuff like

this, um I know people that have made

multiple generational fortunes on coins.

I know uh not directly, but I know of

people who have made

similar amounts of money on CS skins.

Uh, I I saw somebody post like if you

invested, I don't know, like a thousand

dollars in CS skins when they first

started being a thing compared to now,

you would have like absolutely destroyed

the stock market. Um, which is

hilarious. Uh, like I don't know. But if

you're going to do those things, you

need to know what you're doing. You need

to be paying a lot of attention. You

need to live it. And

>> even if you're paying attention,

>> you might still get paying attention.

>> Yep. It's actually more likely that

you'll still get ripped, but some people

will make it. I don't know. It is what

it is. The world is crazy. I ain't

judging, but be ready. It's gambling.

>> It's gambling.

>> Yeah,

>> it do be gambling.

>> All right,

Luke, you're sort of in charge because I

don't have the schedule.

>> Okay, we're we have 10 minutes to do

another topic. We can do a short one.

want to do this. Jet engines used to

supplement power for growing AI data

centers. Uh while some US data center

operators have been having troubles

getting increased grid power allotted,

they've turned to aerodyivative gas

turbines, effectively retired commercial

aircraft engines bolted into trailers

for supplemental power. There are

facilities.

>> Can we pause? Can we pause for a second?

>> A derivative headlines. What a name.

>> I saw this headline. That is That is the

most ridiculous euphemism that I think I

have ever heard. Aerodyivative

gas turbines. They're not aerodyivative.

You insincere

pieces of They are literally they are

literally based on the GE CF6 ADC2 and

LM6000.

Literally the turbines used on Boeing

767s and Airbus 310s. These are they're

they're jet engines from actual jets.

What are we what are what timeline are

we on now? I have completely lost all

ability to follow what is going on in

the world. How does this make any sense?

Okay Luke

>> my favorite part is that this might mean

that when when probably a ton of people

in the audience asked their version of

chat GPT if there was a seahorse emoji

that was powered by jet engines.

>> It literally went burr, Luke.

>> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's just at a

certain point you just have to laugh,

man. like some of the some of the stuff

like you're looking at Meta and and uh

OpenAI and all these companies releasing

these like slop scrolling apps and and

those are powered by jet engines. Like

whoa,

what are we doing?

What's wrong with us, man?

>> It's like everyone's mad at my girl

Taylor Swift for flying around in her

private plane,

>> but everybody's basically flying jets

all the time.

At least she's bringing music to the

people.

>> Oh my goodness. Yeah, your your chat GPT

thing just just output wrong seahorse

emojis. At least she's like uh doing a

task and then flying home and then doing

a task and then flying home. But

anyways, um the those turbine cores that

that Lionus mentioned can deliver up to

48 megawws of power a piece.

Okay, we need to make PK7's comment and

float plane chat a thing. I I need the

official new mascot. I'm sorry, Luke,

your budgies are out.

>> The WAN show has a new bird mascot,

>> the ability toucan.

>> We're going to make a bird. We're going

to make a bird. And sometimes So, so the

bird's going to be like our It's going

to be our canary. Okay. And whenever

something just too ridiculous happens,

our bird goes away and I've lost my

ability to can. I just can't anymore.

>> I like it. I think

>> I'm serious right now. I want I want

this to be a thing. I want the ability

to can.

>> I think it's pretty ser. We need a emoji

for that then cuz then people can spam

it in chat.

>> All right. We're We're going to need it.

We're going to need it.

>> Yeah.

>> Um I was Okay. Were you surprised at how

much power a a jet turbine generates?

Like I obviously

>> Yeah, but I thought I thought by just

strapping it to a trailer um that there

would be just a wild amount of waste.

And I'm sure there still is, but 48

megawatts is a lot. Uh

>> yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah. They really got to bolt that

thing down. I'm going to go back to

this. But do you see the supports?

>> Okay, hold on. I haven't I haven't

actually looked at the pictures yet. I

need to see the pictures.

>> It's pretty nuts.

>> Okay, hit me with this. Hit me with

this.

Oh my god.

>> I don't know if

Oh, okay. Yeah,

>> Luke. A real actual engineer was given

the task, okay, to build a rig

that prevents a jet engine from doing

the one literal thing that it's supposed

to do. Move.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also that I can

gener.

>> Also that I can generate an AI video of

SAN pouring milk into a cargo shorts

pocket. That's that's that's what's

going on. That's This is important. This

is good. I'm happy we did this.

There's that whole thing about how like

civilization basically progresses by its

ability to harness more and more power.

Um

maybe we needed this

>> Dyson sphere, baby.

>> Yeah.

>> Maybe this is maybe this is one

continual step towards a Dyson sphere.

>> Fantastic. I just man do you know how

much it costs like to run one of these

engines?

>> Let's see. LM6000.

Um

>> like I can I can tell you right now one

of those planes would cost potentially,

you know, 20 grand an hour

>> in the air. I don't know how much of

that is the engines and how much of that

is other stuff, but like easily

>> the fuel cost

>> easily like a

>> of an LM6000 is $295

per hour or at least that's what the AI

summary overview powered by the jet

engine told me. I thought I thought it

would make sense if if I used the jet

engine powered output to say what the

jet engine took in regards to fuel.

Normally, I would skip over that

section.

The not so bright says, "Imagine the

cost of fuel. How is this cost effective

compared to to diesel engines?" Yeah.

Like like what how why are we using jet

fuel? Is jet fuel not more expensive

than actually I mean diesel's like

diesel's gotten expensive. Like it was

in my lifetime that diesel was cheaper

cuz it's like lower grade or whatever.

>> Steel beams to attach it to the trailer

and jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

>> So they so they thought it would be

structurally sound. Do I dig a 911 joke?

>> They thought they thought I'm gonna do

it.

>> Stop.

>> A second ding has hit the joke.

>> I'm done. I'm out. The land show has

gone too far. I can no longer be party

to this.

>> I'm sorry. I can't I can't help myself.

>> Oh man.

Okay. um

>> fuel.

>> Oh my god, you guys

>> consumption. No. Okay.

>> Anyway, apparently jet A is basically

kerosene, says someone in chat. Um and

it doesn't look that expensive according

to the AI overview.

>> The powered by jet engines

>> is about $563 a gallon.

>> Uh what's what's diesel? How much is

diesel? I haven't bought diesel in

forever. Okay. Way cheaper.

But then I have no idea what the energy

density of of diesel and and jet A are.

And I have no idea what the efficiency

of a I would think a diesel a diesel

engine would be the most efficient,

right? But maybe there's a long lead

time on large diesel generators.

>> I think there is like like data center

scale ones. I think there is. Yalid

says, "Jet fuel is not taxed the same

and is surprisingly cheap for what it

is." Yeah. See, that's the whole thing.

Like I like I I was I alluded to

earlier, in my lifetime, diesel has gone

from being like kind of a cheap

byproduct fuel of the gasoline that

drives the the petroleum industry

>> to being the more to being having the

price driven up by demand from like um

like cargo ships and industrial vehicles

to the point where even though the

diesel is like the lower grade like

crappier product, It's

>> the It's the It's the more expensive

one.

>> Is Is race fuel more expensive than jet

fuel?

>> I don't know. I don't even know what

race fuel is. Wait, people in China are

telling me that jet A is diesel? You got

to be kidding me.

>> Yeah, race fuel is apparently

significantly more expensive than jet

fuel. That's

>> That's

>> Well, race fuel is super pure or

something, right? I I'm not I'm not a

fuel expert, guys, at all. I just find

it kind of interesting that uh race fuel

is lead. Oh, wow.

>> Yeah. Know, it's just super super high

octane.

>> Oh, interesting. Casper Explorer says

diesel is not crappy

>> and says it contains more energy than

gasoline.

>> I thought that about diesel to be

honest. I thought it contained more

energy than gasoline.

>> Diesel needs to be compressed, not

ignited. And yeah, Jedi needs something

volatile because it's got the the

burnery things that ignite it.

>> But I would expect AI overview. Here we

go. We're only using AI for the rest of

this.

>> We have to turn the jet engines. We have

to power the

>> jet fuel and diesel are both kerosene

based distillates, but differ in

additives, sulfur content, and

performance characteristics. Jet fuel

has less lubricity and higher sulfur

content, making it unsuitable for modern

diesel engines, which require lubricity

additives and have low sulfur

requirements. Conversely, diesel fuel is

oilier, has a higher freezing point than

some jet fuels, and is not ideal for jet

engines.

Okay,

>> nice.

>> Good to

>> find ways to work them harder. We should

just We should just keep AI searching

things the whole show.

>> Oh my god, I love this so much. Oh my

god. I'm posting this in chat. Dan, if

you want to switch this over.

Um, in the meantime, Bryce 213 says, "My

brother works for one of the leading

providers of data center and hospital

generators. They're diesel and they take

at least a year to get. The major

players get priority and they're shipped

to them by the dozens, but human labor

can only go so fast and there's limited

skilled talent these days. Also, keep in

mind they're usually sold as entire

enclosures. Transit is difficult to

since they are massive. Yeah, we saw

these uh when we did the uh the tour at

um Equinex, they had their whole diesel

generator room and they they they're

just huge. And yes, a jet engine is

huge, but these diesel generators are

absolutely enormous. So, it makes sense

that if you're just desperate for power

right now and you're in this this AI

development arms race that is just a

money a money printing and money burning

machine at the same time, um a circular

money jerk of sorts, then it makes sense

that you would just be looking for

whatever is the fastest way to get more

power. And what could be faster than a

jet engine?

>> Yeah.

>> Uh Dan, do you want to throw that on

screen?

Building seven's fall rate. Um, explain

CW announced. Explain two merch

messages.

>> Oh, what? No, I want to see the thing

first.

>> I'm just saying that's what's next. You

don't have to do it this second.

>> Oh, I see. I see. I see.

>> I think we were supposed to buy them

time though, weren't we, Dan? Have you

heard from them?

>> What were you even talking about?

What? No. What? What?

>> You wanted something in chat. I

>> can't hear, Dan.

>> I I

>> Yeah. Yeah. I I posted a link in chat.

>> Oh, you wanted me to show that.

>> Yeah.

>> The hilarious aviation thing.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, okay. I just shared it in the other

chats. My bad. One moment.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Throw throw it up. Throw it

up. It's funny.

>> It's hilarious.

I don't even know if I can webp.

>> I can share it. I got it. I don't know.

Can you

>> Here we go. I'm done. There it is. It's

very funny.

>> This is awesome.

Getting it done. You love to see it.

>> Oh no.

>> That's pretty sick.

>> It I I'm sure it's right, but it looks

so wrong.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Raiden428 in chat says,

"Hey Lionus, maybe go visit

marineurbo.com."

>> Luke, do you want to fire that up?

>> Sure.

>> For a special super interesting

something.

>> As a biker, you might like their 273 mph

helicopter turbine powered bike.

>> There's a whole industry around timed

out aviation engines.

>> Marine.com. Okay.

>> AB us.

No

>> com I don't think is a thing.

>> Power generation airboats and special

projects. I'm on the site right now.

>> What the?

>> It was linked by Raiden 428.

Where is it?

>> MTT commissions its latest monster

airboat configuration.

>> Do you mean.co.uk. Okay,

>> I mean exactly what I'm saying.

marineturbo.com.

>> Okay,

>> Raiden 428 has it in the chat.

>> So, marine turbine turbine turbine

turbine dude.

>> Sorry, sorry, sorry. My bad. My bad.

>> Okay, I will share it now.

>> Nice.

Sorry guys.

Listen, I am very many time zones off

and it is very early in the morning,

which means that it is the evening and

my brain should be functioning correctly

and yet it's not.

>> I was like, bro, this is definitely not

a website. I don't know what you're

talking about.

>> I don't even understand

the stuff that I'm looking at.

>> What are we looking at?

>> So, go to uh go to Okay. Yeah. I what an

adrenaline rush like none other on the

planet. Turbine motorcycles. If you go

to um Fifi airboats and special projects

and click on airboats and workboats,

>> there's what looks like a giant

hovercraft to carry excavators.

>> What?

>> That's sick. I don't know. Cool. Imagine

this being your business. Basically,

redneck redneck engineering for a

living.

>> If you're going to embed it like that,

just link it on YouTube or something.

That sucks that these are gone. Oh, this

one's here.

>> I mean, sure.

>> Yeah. I mean, those aren't those aren't

jet engines or anything, but still.

>> Big old turbines. Those aren't those

aren't jet engines or anything, but

>> dude, that thing's big old turbines.

>> Those aren't those aren't jet engines or

anything.

>> All right. Well, anyway, we can move on.

>> Didn't expect we'd be pulling that up

today.

>> Okay. Uh, CWS, Dan, are they ready or

should we buy them time?

>> Have they messaged you?

>> Seems to be updated.

>> Nice. All right. CW announce. Uh, no, it

doesn't. What are you talking about?

>> Oh, you got rid of the line.

>> Uh, oh, but weren't we supposed to buy

them time so they could put it back? And

didn't they remove it just in case? Can

you check on that? Can you message the

guy and we can do a topic real quick?

Okay, nice. Um,

Samsung launched the first Android XR

headset.

After nearly a year since Google

initially revealed their operating

system for headsets, Samsung's Samsung's

Galaxy XR is the first mixed reality

headset powered by Android XR. For

$1,800 US, half of the Apple Vision Pro,

that's terrifying. Uh, the Galaxy XR

sports the new Snapdragon XR2 Plus Gen 2

chip, micro OLED display, full hand and

eyetracking, 256 gigs of storage, and

camera enabled AI. The goal of Galaxy

XR's integration with AI is to be more

proactive in situations that require

awareness of our apps and what we're

seeing in the real world simultaneously.

Uh Google's Samir Samat did mention that

you can choose which apps are visible to

AI

>> which is relatively important unless it

decides to look at other ones. And also

for now like Lus said uh the UIUX

reportedly looks very similar to both

the Apple Vision Pro and the MetaQuest

which makes complete sense to be honest.

CNET uh there's an image of the UI on a

demo. Okay, that is very generic and

normal and kind of boring and bubbly.

Okay, sounds good. Um, while you can

access

>> I mean, would you want something super

rackadoodle necessarily?

>> Not for that screen. Not particularly.

It just is what it is. Uh, while you can

access

>> like a Chrome browser.

>> Yeah, everything's going to the

bubbliness now. That I don't know how I

feel about. Like YouTube controls are

all bubbly now.

>> Oh, dude. Right. I feel like we're doing

the equal but opposite move of the

Windows 8 everything no matter what has

to be a square.

>> Now it's like everything no matter what

has to be a bubble and it's like

>> we didn't need either of these. We could

have just chilled out in the middle and

that would have been totally fine

forever. Uh thank you very much.

Anyways um

>> that's not how trendiness works.

>> Unfortunately, you are very correct. Uh,

while you can access any app from Google

Play out of the box, Google reworked

apps like Maps, YouTube, and more

specifically for XR. For example, but

not their own flip phones.

For example, Google Photos, you can turn

your existing library of 2D photos into

3D, so you can step into your memories.

Uh, sounds like a black mirror. There is

the comment left and I don't entirely

disagree. Uh, but not actually sounds

kind of cool though.

>> It does sound pretty neat. I would

definitely try that with a couple. Uh

Google also ensured support for Open XR,

Web XR, and Unity. So, there will be uh

more new apps and experiences to come in

the future. Samsung's COO Janju Choy did

mention that they aren't aiming to

replace smartphones with the release of

new XR tech, but he believes they will

complement and provide experiences

people wouldn't have gotten with

smartphones.

Well, I'm really glad he wasn't

intending to replace smartphones because

>> that was never going to happen.

>> Well, okay. With this release, that was

never going to happen. Um,

>> in the very long term, do you think

smart glasses have a shot? Sherrod's

been wearing

>> meta the the clear the clear meta

glasses which

>> I think super do. I don't think these

ones do.

Uh well,

>> that's not going to happen.

>> Yeah. So, yeah, the he's been wearing

the Oakley um transparent ones. Yeah.

>> On this trip. And

>> he commented last night that

>> he's like really impressed with them so

far. And I was like, "Oh, yeah. How

come?" And he goes, "I've been using

them all day. Been wearing them all day.

And uh I got back to the hotel room just

now. They were at like 30% battery. I

popped them on the charger and in just

like a few minutes they were charged

back up and now my battery life's great.

And this is like right before we went

out for dinner. And I was like, "Okay,

>> but like other than being powered,

>> what have you done with them?" And he's

like,

>> "Good argument.

>> Oh man, like I can use them. I can ask

Meta to uh do currency conversion for

me."

>> And I was like, "I've been with you all

day. You did that one time and it would

have been just as fast. You literally

keep your phone in your chest pocket.

Like it would have been just as fast to

use your phone. He's like, "Ah, but this

is cooler."

>> But he's he's a trendy guy though.

>> He is. No, to be clear.

>> No, but what I'm saying is if he likes

them,

>> they might take off.

>> To be clear, he's also taken the piss a

little bit. But he also pointed out that

he used them to listen to music um when

we were on the when we were in a

shuttle. And I was like, "Yes, I noticed

that." Art's in chat going, "They're

great as discrete headphones." Lol. Um

Arty, I can I' I'm sad to be the one who

has to inform you that they're not that

discreet. I was able to clearly hear

everything that Sherrod was listening

to. Um so make of that what you will. If

you're comfortable with people hearing

what you're listening to, that's totally

fine. It wasn't super obnoxious. It

wasn't any worse than like an open back

headphone or anything like that, but no,

very much very much listenable. Um, so

yeah, he used them as headphones and as

um

and as uh

>> a currency conversion one time

>> and and to check a currency conversion.

Um, he also did discreetly take a

picture when people didn't realize he

was taking a picture. So, he took a

picture of us having a group picture

taken of us. And it was funny because

um, one of the brands that we worked

with while we were here had they asked

us if they could do like a behind the

scenes of our video shoot for their own

their own channels.

>> And we were like, "Oh, yeah, that kind

of sounds okay."

um

like it's going to be pretty small,

right? They're like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah." They had a crew of I kid

you not, it was felt like 10 people

following following us around the whole

day. So this like picture that they're

taking, Sherrod has a picture of the

giant crew that was taking the picture.

So it's just it's so it's pretty funny.

>> That's kind of cool actually.

>> Okay, Arty, I know you love your Meta

Glasses. I'm not saying they're

completely useless. He points out they

are amazing for recording roller coaster

POVs.

I'm not saying they don't have any use.

I'm just saying clearly we are very very

far away from replacing a smartphone.

And honestly, Luke, I don't know if

ever. It is just not more efficient to

use natural language instruction

compared to tapping on a screen for a

lot of things. Like this is kind of like

that conversation we had recently where

>> ever is gonna be incorrect for sure.

You're definitely wrong.

>> I can I can say ever. Hold on. And I'm

I'm gonna say ever.

>> Give me a second cuz we we recently had

this conversation yet again when some

Microsoft executive said that the

keyboard and mouse was going away and

we're like no it's not because it's just

always going to be faster to move

something this far. wait to move

something this far and have that

translated to something this far on a

screen than moving your whole hand that

far literally by definition that will

always be faster.

>> That's not the argument in the same

>> and it so well the argument is that you

won't need the other thing anymore,

>> right?

>> Yeah. And there is always going to be

okay tell me this. Tell me this. Let's

use let's use a use case that tech

companies love to use because the people

who work on their use case examples and

the people who work on these

presentations have money to travel. So

they're always talking about travel even

though most people don't travel and

certainly don't travel regularly.

Okay, let's talk about travel. You are

researching flights on your screen.

Whether that screen is attached to your

eyeholes or attached to your pocket

computer or attached to your laptop or

desktop, there are some flight options.

What will always be the fastest way to

select the one that you want?

>> Uh you talking with what device

>> or physically how I would do it? Uh

clicking on it? I don't know.

>> Eyetracking could get us there,

but we're always going to have to have a

way to indicate that that because we

can't just have things randomly click on

when we look at you selection.

>> So, there's always there's always going

to have to be a gesture or an eyelink or

a or a neural thing that we're going to

have to train ourselves to do. Like,

there's going to there's going to have

to be something. And in that time it

will always have been faster to move my

finger and go like this. Always.

>> I don't think so.

>> So that's that's the point. Well, how

will it be faster? That's that's my

question.

>> Neural links like you were mentioning,

not eyetracking

because like you said the the

confirmation of input is the issue with

eyetracking.

>> I mean you

>> the confirmation of input is Yeah. The

NIA was from freaking OCZ and like 20

years ago.

>> I get it.

>> And you're saying ever. So if we're

talking a hundred years in the future,

you think we're still going to be using

computer mice,

>> right?

>> Yeah. I I actually Yeah, I think so.

>> 100 years in,

>> dude. Japan still Japan is phasing out

floppy discs.

>> We're not talking about Japan. We're not

We're not No, we're not talking about

Japan. Japan will absolutely still be

using computer mice.

>> Okay, that was a very

>> Japan might be using fax machines 100

years from now.

>> That was a bad faith argument.

>> But I think I know and and we

technically you're saying forever. So it

could be 700 years from now if uh if the

earth still exists and we haven't nuked

humanity into non-existence. Um I I

think at some point in time the

computing as a whole will dramatically

change and I think it's going to be

because uh neural input and output is

going to be a a very wild thing. I do

not think we are even sort of close. I

don't I don't know if we're going to see

that in our lifetimes but saying forever

is crazy. I think

>> there's there's no way we see that in

our lifetime, man. Like I'm like I'm

trying to think of what the like what

would be the infrastructure

involved in

neural interfaces that are so ubiquitous

that you could you could make a good

faith argument that we have moved on

from from tapping on things from from

using our hands from using

these

multi-millionyear

evolutionary marvels

Um,

>> oh, it's going to give me

>> and maybe this is maybe this is my lack

of imagination, right? But I'm having a

hard time imagining a technology that

would allow us to non-invasively

read the mind. So,

>> oh, it'll be invasively for sure.

>> So, if it's going to be invasive, I'm

having a hard time imagining with us

>> people aren't gonna do it.

>> No, no, I'm not saying people won't do

it. I'm just saying that we are we're

we're squishy and imperfect and and

messy and we're all a little different.

And I'm I'm having a hard time imagining

something that is commodity enough to

invasively be implanted in the mind that

will work that will stay functional over

the span of like like aging and and

injury and sickness and all the things

that happen in our messy messy messy

bodies. I um

yeah, I don't know, man. It's going to

be it's going to be pretty wild. When

Bingo says, "Uh, eye tracking and then

training everybody to wiggle their ears

from a young age." Ear wiggle. It could

be a great click method for smart

glasses.

Ear wiggles.

Yeah.

Dragon Tamer says, "The Neuralink input

guy has talked about not missing in

games. He doesn't miss." I mean, look, I

I' I'd be I'd be excited for neural

inputs to get super good and super

affordable. I just

I don't know, dude.

It's going to be

I have a hard time imagine it being

relaxing. Maybe that's Maybe that's what

I'm getting kind of

>> So, give us So, give us just a little

bit. Just give us a little bit. give us

like uh 600ish years.

We'll figure it out.

The printing press was like

>> looks pretty cool today.

>> Mindblowing. Like like you wouldn't have

conceived of the printing press as like

a person who wasn't trying to invent it.

Uh

>> maybe part of my problem is I'm just a

little pessimistic right now. Um,

>> I think it's easy to be

>> like, I'm glad you brought up the

printing press because I don't know if

you know this, but like Western literacy

rates are falling at an alarming rate.

Oh, yeah. Right now.

>> Um,

>> and so like I'm sitting here going,

okay, let's say we do figure this out. A

device that we put on in the morning and

it has like a uh like a wireless it has

a wireless charging interface on one

side and just uses our body heat for

power. So we don't have to worry about

batteries. And then it has like a um

like a close proximity high-speed data

link on the other side that interfaces

with like a brain wiring thing that's

you know set up inside our mind or

whatever. Yeah. So we so we put on this

thing or let's go even let's go even

further to the to the hypothetical

future and let's say they're they're

contact lenses or or whatever.

>> A lot of talk about that.

>> Yeah. So I

I do what?

I scroll generated slop videos that are

literally created by tapping into my own

subconscious mind to give me a drip feed

of whatever it is that I most want to

see and experience in the entire world.

And I just sit there in my chair. Is

this really

am I am I getting have I reached old man

yells at cloud? This future doesn't look

like the future. Can we stop now?

>> That doesn't mean you're right about

keyboards.

>> Dude, I don't know. I Man, I

>> I don't think you're wrong, but you can

definitely scroll with a neural

interface.

>> Oh, yeah. No, no.

>> And this is this is what people want.

>> Yeah. with the Yeah. Oh god. Yeah. I

mean Oh, lordy. The Yeah.

Oh, my brain hurts. Um,

yeah. I man, can you imagine when they

figure out how to tap into the part of

your brain that lucid dreams

>> and you can just press you can just open

up the lucid dream app on your freaking

neural interface thing and you can just

like

>> start lucid dreaming.

>> You can uh dream about

>> holiday dream about

>> that's going to be the way to do it.

>> Arby's do it with brain drugs. New new

burger on available stores coming soon

>> from

just inject advertisements right into

your lucid dreams.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Like like

>> have you have you ever dreamt of a

phone, Lionus? Have you ever had a phone

in one of your dreams?

>> Have you heard about this?

>> We could just have

>> Have I ever had a phone in a dream?

>> Have you heard about this idea?

>> I haven't.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't think I have.

>> You have is really interesting. You're

the first person I've ever asked that to

that has said yes.

>> Yeah. I had I had a dream once that um

that the office was like invaded and so

I was using my phone to type like

security code words and stuff.

>> Oh, interesting.

>> Yeah.

I I just needed it. So, it's it's like

it's it's very much the same reason that

I have a phone in real life that I have

a phone in my dream because I need to do

stuff with it.

Yeah.

>> Yeah. Sorry. I wish it was a more

interesting answer. Um,

>> it's interesting that it's as a tool

though, so that that might make a little

bit.

>> I never I was not using it. I wasn't

like like recreationally

>> using it. I don't think I've ever

dreamed

>> of recreationally playing a video game.

I don't think I've ever dreamed of

recreationally

>> recreationally using my phone. For sure.

No.

Dude, I can't wait until the apps on

your freaking smart glasses are just

things like lucid dream now and just

like dopamine hit now cuz it's all just

going to be it's all just going to be

wired up and it's going to give you like

an electrical impulse in your brain and

you can just be like it's freaking it's

going to be like opioid addiction on

steroids and on opium. You'll just be

like dopamine dopen dopamine dop like

faster than you can think it. You'll be

able to just like hit the dopamine

button, dude. This is going to be wild.

And then they're going to monetize it.

>> Yep.

Yep.

Every WAN show. It's amazing how we

reach a new level of

this is all just going to be dystopia.

Blendedto says just press the nut

button.

They're going to make special underwear.

>> Yeah, for sure. Definitely.

>> We're gonna We're going to have man

pads.

>> I think it'll just auto evacuate.

All right. Uh, should we do the CW

announcement?

>> Sure.

>> Do you want me to do it? I can do it.

Uh,

>> yeah. Just Yeah. Just introducing.

>> I can do it if you want to put up the

screen cap.

>> Sure.

>> Or the screen. Whatever. Sorry. I'm I'm

sad right now.

>> You're good. I still don't see it in the

collection Dan.

>> Oh god.

>> I thought you said it's there.

>> What do you mean?

>> The thing. Good. I have no idea what

they're talking about right now, so I'm

just gonna

sit here and

>> um stall for time.

I checked the global one and it's there.

I checked the US one and it's not there.

>> That's what it says in the

>> I think you guys are talking about the

desk pad.

>> I didn't check the note. I didn't know

it was only in one of them. Okay, I

found it. We're good.

>> All right.

>> Introducing the glitch collection. We've

got three new items launching on LT

store today, including the glitch

t-shirt featuring a unique hem pattern

at the bottom of the shirt.

That's an that's that's a very boring

description for Basically, Lisa did a

cool design that was sort of inspired by

like a like a smashed broken LCD panel

with the

>> Oh,

>> like with the Yeah,

>> that is really cool.

>> Yeah. So,

it's supposed to be a little bit of

smash broken panel, a little bit of like

GPU memory artifacting. Um, and it's

it's just meant to to kind of,

>> you know, inspire memories of pushed

that overclock too hard or uh dropped my

laptop, you know?

>> I think it's awesome. I think it's the

like

>> the me saying this is going to

immediately make it not that. So, I'm

sorry, but I think it's like kind of the

swaggiest shirt we've released.

I think it's like actually just raw

cool. It just looks cool.

>> And like so many of our designs over the

years, it's meant to be like if you

know, you know, tech inspired,

>> but just genuinely cool and you can

actually wear it.

>> There is no logo, is there?

>> Uh there's one inside the inside the

back of the nape of the neck.

>> Yeah, I mean like uh visible on the

outside of the shirt.

Yeah, I mean, we've we've taken a pretty

light branding approach for many years

now. I think I can say multiple multiple

years now. And it's it's always baffling

to me when people say, "I love LT store

stuff, but there's just too much

branding on it." It's like, bro, you got

no idea what branding looks like. We're

pretty we take a pretty light touch when

it comes to branding. I don't think this

one has a logo on it.

>> I don't think so.

>> I think it looks really cool, though.

Uh, we also have a lenticular pin that

changes depending on where you view it

from as part of the glitch collection.

And we've got this design on a brand new

desk pad. The deskpad is on the global

site now. So that's Canada plus

worldwide and will be available on the

US site shortly. They just haven't

arrived at our US warehouse yet. So if

you're from the US and you want to

purchase a Glitch deskpad, maybe hold

off on your purchase until they are

available. Shop now at lmg.gg. GG

slashglitch.

I actually kind of wonder if this is one

of those cases where we should have just

set up back orders. I didn't I haven't

been in town, so I didn't really have a

chance to talk to the team about it. In

general, I'm very opposed to pre-orders

and back orders. But if it's something

where it's just like, yeah, the truck is

like 10 blocks away. Um, then maybe I

don't know. Yeah,

>> the trade situation with the US did

literally just change. So,

>> is there another one?

>> Another change.

>> I've been out of the loop, man. I've

been out of the loop. What is it now?

>> Within the last, I think 24 hours, uh

Trump said trade talks are off with

Canada.

>> Why? Why this time?

>> He's the fel saying no. He's saying it's

because an advertisement that was being

ran inside of Canada by uh some level of

government saying that tariffs are bad.

Um but a lot of the speculation that I'm

seeing is that it's actually because uh

Canada is in trade talks with China

right now about strengthening our trade

relations.

>> Oh, we should keep doing that.

>> Yeah. Um merch messages. Do you want to

explain it and I'll try to be the guide?

>> Um

>> or I can. I just thought it would be

funny to do it this way.

>> If you guys uh if you guys want to uh

interact with the show, we don't want

you to just throw money at the screen

because we think that when you throw

money at your screen, you should get

quality merchandise in return instead of

just an acknowledgement from a streamer

or whatever. I actually thought um Oh

crap, I'm going to get it wrong. It was

it was one of the it was one of the like

like no life react to everything

streamers. I can't remember which one,

but someone someone recently Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It was one of them. I'm I'm

so

>> What did he do? What did they do?

>> Basically, they were like, "Hey, yeah,

don't donate to me. I'm rich enough."

And I thought that was super cool. Was

that Was that Moist?

>> Uh didn't that happen a while ago? I

think that was last week.

>> I think he's done it multiple times.

Yeah, apparently it was moist critical.

>> Yeah, cool.

>> Pretty sure he's done that before.

>> It was recently regarding the whole

YouTube membersonly content thing when

we turned off our membersonly content.

Um

anyway, the point is uh yeah, he was he

was like, "Yeah, don't don't donate to

me. You shouldn't be donating to me." We

have felt that way for a very very very

long time, which is why we created merch

messages. So instead of instead of

donating, um you should just like get

highquality merchandise if you want to

support the show. Obviously that's not

as profitable for us as just taking your

money, but we take pride in what the

Creator Warehouse team creates, like the

glitch deskpad that you guys are looking

at right there. And we think that we

make quality products that last a long

time. And we think it's just a way

cooler, healthier way for us to to to

grow and to support our team. and also

for you guys to get great high-quality

products. So, all you got to do to send

a merch message uh to interact with the

show is add something to your cart on

ltstore.com. When we're live, you're

going to see a little box that's going

to give you an opportunity to fill out

your merch message. That'll go to

producer Dan.

Hey, there he is. You can pick your

color for your merch message. You can

anonymize your name or you can have your

name show up and then Dan will either

pop it up on the screen with like a

little acknowledgement. You could be

like, "Hey, what's up, mom? How you

doing, Jerry?" Uh, or you can uh ask a

question. And if your question is

something that Dan can answer, or even

if it's something that he can't, he

might just, you know, reply to you and

say something irrelevant. Or he might

answer it, or he might forward it to

someone who can get back to you. Or he

might curate it. And then it'll go to me

and Luke, and we will talk about your

merch message.

That's right. We've got a few in

already. Um, we've got a couple here.

Oh, also if you allow your email to be

shared, then I can also send you over to

support if you have something that might

be relevant for our team to follow up

with. Um, got one here from Jonathan.

Hey DL.

>> No, it is not Luke and I. Sorry, hold

on. We're having an argument about

grammar.

>> Oh, I love semantics.

The way to tell if it's Luke and I or me

and Luke is which one of those words

would have applied properly to you. So

Luke went to the other person sentence

>> because I went to the store.

Dan is really mean to me and Luke

because Dan is really mean to me.

It's that easy. And nobody knows that

which is like crazy because

Like when I was in school, nobody ever

explained that to me. I had to figure

that out on my own. I was like, "How do

I figure out these rules?" And I like I

kind of like came up with that. And then

I looked it up and I was like, "That's

totally a thing." But no teacher ever

explained that to me, which drove me

crazy. So knowing how easy it is, it

drives me even more nuts when people do

it wrong because it's actually that

easy.

Isn't that crazy?

Anyway, sorry, Dan. Go ahead. Hit me

>> chat. Trying to grammar Nazi. The

grammar Nazi is is a is a battle to

behold.

>> Me fail English. That's unpossible.

Um, hey D. Love the show. Question for

Lionus. How is the LTT bit case coming

along?

>> Oh, good. Yeah, I've got one with me

right now. Uh oh. I am tethered but

>> I mean they've seen it on the show

before.

>> You have showed it off a couple times.

>> Yeah, but not everyone has. You assume

everyone watches every video.

>> They do. Every single person does. Every

show viewer comes back every week

because the ones that I interact with

are full plane chat and a lot of them

actually do.

>> You mean to tell me people don't watch

every week?

>> Disgusting.

What is He's just We've We've seen it

like so many times.

>> He didn't need to go get

>> I want to show people my travel load

out.

>> Oh, cool. Okay, that's kind of neat.

>> All right, that adds a spin to it.

>> Now he's okay with it.

>> This is my This is my way of carrying

everything that I need when I'm

traveling without having anything that

looks too suspicious. So, in my in one

bag, cuz I'll usually have my my roller

bag, my like my carry-on size roller

bag, and then I'll have a personal item.

I'll have a backpack. So, in one bag, I

will keep uh my stubby screwdriver. So,

this is well under the limit of every

customs and security authority that I

have ever encountered. Um

>> I think I figured out where you're going

with this

>> in there. Okay. Then I'll carry my my LT

bit case. I lost one. So, uh, CW made me

a new one that has my name printed on

it. Thank you, CW. Appreciate you. I

think it was probably Tinen. Um, and

then I've got all the bits that I will

generally need in there that are not

part of like the standard bit set. So,

I've got my Torx, I've got my imperial

hex, my metric hex, and then I have a

couple specialty ones. This is kind of

my my loadout for this. Um, so I keep

those together, and then separately in

my other bag, I will keep a shaft

extension. So then I can

convert my stubby screwdriver into

See, you could still use the knurling

and everything. And then I've got my bit

set cuz I could see getting a precision

set taken just because it's so obviously

extremely sharp and pointy and like it

it just looks really weird in the

scanner. But this and this alone without

the shaft extension is just like yeah

it's a little it's a short tool which

you're allowed to have. And then the

shaft extension on its own is nothing.

It's just a metal

>> it's a metal.

>> The second you were like I put the

stubby in this bag I was like I know

exactly what he's doing.

>> Yeah. So this is this is my travel kit.

That's fantastic.

>> So that I can uh Yeah. Exxon Derrick

says I had an iFixit screwdriver taken

in Sydney. That doesn't surprise me at

all. Whereas

this, and to be clear, this is not

advice. I'm not this is not advice. If

you take your stubby screwdriver and all

if all your stuff gets taken, I'm not

liable. I'm not responsible.

>> It's always kind of up to them. So,

>> I have not had trouble with this in the

past, but you never know when you're

going to run into a TSA agent who's

having a bad day or whatever. And at the

end of the day, it's it's their judgment

call. So, um, I've had good luck with

it but

your mileage may vary.

I forget what the question was. Did I

answer it?

>> Bit when when when arriving, bid case.

>> Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. Why don't you move

on to the next one while I look that up

then?

>> Okay, sure. How are you, gentlemen? Uh,

it's not a question. Just got

exclamation points. Don't answer. I lost

>> your base. I belong to us.

>> I lost a bunch.

>> No way to survive. Make your time.

>> I can't handle this, man.

>> No, you have no chance to survive. Damn.

>> Oh, nearly. I lost a bunch of weight

this year and I'm reloading on newer,

smaller shirts. Are any of you working

on any long-term personal goals right

now? And if so, how are those going?

>> My house not being a mess. That's the

only thing.

>> Sorry, Dan. Nope. Nope. We're not able

to talk about that yet.

>> I didn't think so.

>> That is not that is not nearly as

important as this. Dan, you need to show

this to the stream.

I will ask no questions.

>> This is tremendously important.

>> Give me one second. Come on. Come on.

There we go. Uh, okay. Is everybody

ready?

>> Luke, are you ready?

>> So, I hope so. I don't know.

>> Luke,

>> sir, ability toucan has already been

created by the illustrious Sarah.

>> Oh, he's so cute.

Apparently, she was watching.

>> Oh my god.

>> How is this possible?

>> It's so adorable.

Wher her message to me simply says, uh,

hold on. Let me see if I can find this.

Yeah, here we go. Uh,

>> he lives here.

>> I don't know why, but he feels like he

needs a top hat.

>> That's awesome.

>> There we go. You can be our friend for

this show. I like that. I like that.

>> Okay. I'm sorry. Uh Dan, you were

saying?

>> Uh you doing any long-term goals?

>> Uh oh, right. Sorry. Yes, Luke. I'd love

to hear your long-term goals.

>> No, just my house not being screwed up.

I I haven't been doing like anything

else. I've been going to work and

working on that. So,

I don't know. And then once I don't know

it for the first half of November, I'm

just gone again. So like I've been out

of the gym for a long time, but I've

been doing physical things. I've been

working on the house. So like I don't

know. I feel mostly okay. But I'll get

back on the wagon once uh my house is

not completely screwed and I am in the

country. Those things are

decently important. Sometimes I do work

out on the road, but it's kind of hard

to find. Some gyms are really expensive

for drop in and usually I'm really busy

with whatever reason I'm on the road

for. So

yeah,

I can't remember if Lionus answered.

Sorry.

>> He did not.

>> I haven't. I actually have a doc. This

is my This is my like

everything from my add brain dump dock.

It's like 17 pages of just wall of text

of like random business ideas I've had

over the years. Sometimes it's just like

like a line that I'm like

that'd be funny. That would be funny.

Like I uh

>> I think I've seen this a few times.

>> Do I still

uh Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I have a

section called script ideas that I never

really like ended up using it using, but

I had these I have these two funny

things that I never remember because I

never really use it. I only remember it

when I'm not actually writing. But I had

these I have these two ideas in here. Um

so I have this one trying to do

something by scowling at it and then

scowlling at it harder with like with

like a a hat on or something. I don't

know. But it it'd be funny like uh like

basically Okay, look. It's a it's a it's

only partially baked. Okay, the point is

that like

>> it sounds like a

>> Yeah, right. Like I was trying to I was

trying to get my I was trying to get my

my iPhone uh transfer wizard to work

properly. Uh Apple wasn't helpful, so I

tried like scowlling at it.

>> That didn't work. So I scowlled at it

harder and unfortunately that didn't

work either. So all my messages are

still on my Android phone. That's how I

would cut it.

>> What is he called?

>> That's kind of how I would integrate.

>> What's his What's the toucan's name,

Lionus?

>> I've lost the ability to his

>> Yeah. Yeah. Ability 2can.

>> Ability to.

>> But I think with his distinguished top

hat, he needs to be sir ability 2can.

>> Sir ability to can.

>> Yeah. And whenever I can't anymore, I

lose him.

>> Now he's on the hand.

>> He's Yeah, he's on your hand. I like

that.

>> Yeah. Sir ability to.

>> Um,

>> do you have any other examples from your

doc?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I

got

>> What's your oldest video idea in your

dock?

>> Uh, okay. So, oldest video idea. Hold

on. Hold on. I got another I got another

joke. I got another joke idea. I need to

joke about how

um like some color like like it's like

an RGB joke. Like a joke about how this

this color needs more R and more B to be

the right color. Like I'm playing around

with like a slider and then like R&B

music starts playing.

Oh that's

>> Or like I take away all the G and then

just like music turns on like just

>> Oh, if you take away if it's rap music

and you take away all the G and it stops

being rap music.

>> I actually kind of like that.

>> So, I don't know, man. Like this. It's

just like it's my dock of things that I

just write.

>> I already dinged it, I think.

>> Oh, okay. Okay.

>> Yeah, he dinged it. He dinged it. Um, so

I do I do Oh, sorry. You want an old

video idea? Okay. No, the video idea doc

is a different doc, I think. Oh, I might

have purged it. Oh, no. No, I still have

it. Oh, dude, I still have it.

>> Um,

>> oh my god, this is a terrible idea.

>> So, here's the Luke.

>> Here's the Luke section of video ideas.

>> I knew I had seen this doc. Oh no. Oh

no. This is old.

>> Yeah, pizza warmer PC part two is in

here. So, I can delete that. We've done

that now.

>> Nice. Uh, let's get rid of that. And

then I've got

771 to 775 sticker conversion. So, that

idea is obviously old enough that

wanting to use an LGA75 processor was

valid. Uh, Ultimate Gamer PC with a PS4,

Xbox One, and a Wii U inside. We've done

it now. I can delete that.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

>> dude. Wow. We've actually like done some

of this stuff. Um, here's one that is a

terrible idea. Fireplace mod. Put a TV

in an old fireplace with speakers and

play the LTT Ule log video.

Why would we do that? Why would I even

write that down?

>> That's an entire video.

>> That sounds like a media.

>> Yeah, that's the whole video idea.

>> Yeah, it sounds cool. I like that.

>> It sounds like it'd be easy to shoot,

too.

>> Yeah.

>> What? Computer out of oneinch blocks.

>> What does that even mean?

>> Is that the whole title? One inch

blocks.

>> Yeah, I don't know what that means.

>> One inch.

>> I have one that says ready for VR.

I have like six Rs. Is bull spit. Uh

remember that VR ready badge?

>> Yeah. Okay. So, that was a very timely

thing as well. That's gone now.

>> IMAC mod. This just says iMac mod. Okay.

Topic says

>> balls to the wall web server.

that I bet you that was probably we were

trying to get something for flow plane.

That's my guess.

>> Oh, probably.

>> Yeah,

>> there's a link to my inbox. So, I'm

clicking and I think it's pulling this

off of tape. Um,

>> balls to the wall web server. I don't

know what I don't know what any of this

is. Okay, forget it. This is garbage.

Uh,

some of this we could still do. Full

screen versus borderless window input

lag/fps.

That was from a That was from a

>> still not a bad idea.

>> That's still not a bad idea. Yeah,

>> because you know we could

>> filters affect airflow. That's another

good one from Alex 91_CY.

>> Do you know about the latency introducer

box thing that Labs has?

>> I do. I do.

>> What if we figured out

>> I don't think we've talked about that

yet. input lag gap between windowed and

borderless

and then forced the windowed one.

Sorry, forced the yeah, windowed mode on

borderless.

Uh figured out that gap and then forced

it with the input box and then tried to

see if people could tell.

>> Can you tell the difference between

windowed mode and borderless?

>> Uh I think I can tell you the answer to

that already. I don't think people will

be. A lot of people think they can

though.

>> Interesting. Well, okay. But but part of

why a lot of people think they can might

be because the implementation on some

games was really bad. Like I think it

was CS:GO that if you were in Borderless

and then you alt tabbed and went back in

the game, it was trash. And we found

this out because we were doing something

and it was a problem for us. Um cuz

normally you wouldn't alt tab out of

your full screen video game and then go

back into it. But like that's fixed now.

So I don't know.

There might be some games where it's

still a problem, but I sincerely doubt

that it's most of them.

Okay, keep going. What else we got?

>> Uh oh no. Oh yeah. More more more video

ideas from him. Not topics for you, Dan.

Oh, we're very okay.

>> Sure.

>> Um,

>> oh, dude, the USBC versus microb

durability test is under James. We made

that video. That was one of the first

videos he worked on. So, the last time I

used my to-do list for your guys' video

ideas was probably when I did that wave

of hiring when we hired Emily, James,

and Alex.

>> That makes sense.

>> We actually did some of the Alex ones,

too. Ultimate aircooled PC, giant

industrial fan thing. We did it.

actual single slot mod with hacked off

stock cooler and rear mounted 120 mm

fan. We did that, too.

That's crazy.

>> That is crazy.

>> Make a heat sink for like $10 with a

hacksaw and a chunk of metal bench

against a stock cooler. We did that,

too.

Yeah. So, unlike Luke, Alex actually

like did all the work that was assigned

to him before he wasn't working here

anymore. I guess he still got time,

though.

>> I did a ton of it. There's things we

removed off the dock because they were

done. My goodness. Because I I know

>> someone else did it. Jordan made your

pizza warming PC.

>> I could have done that if you wanted.

I'll do version three and I'll make it

worse.

>> Yeah, I was going to say make it

>> I DX12 and Vulcan was on that dock, I'm

pretty sure. And it just got done so it

was removed off.

>> Oh, no. That was on a different dock. We

had a We I we created a different doc

later. This one's older.

>> Um, oh, okay. So, right, right, right. I

remember how we got on this subject. I

was supposed to talk about goals. So,

this is where I put goals. So, one of my

goals is to fix my calendars.

Um, my calendars are a mess. I have like

a billion calendars. And then, do you

remember that sponsored video we did on

that um that like conference room

booking tablet thing?

>> Yes, actually.

>> Does anyone remember this?

>> Yes, I do.

>> Yeah. So some of as part of that video,

one of my calendars got exposed publicly

and so for years I had just like spam

events that would pop up on my phone

because the calendar was like bound to a

work account that was shared to my other

account and then my personal account was

set. I could I it took me a while to

figure out like how they were all

intertwined. Um and they're still kind

of messed up. My calendar my calendars

are kind of a mess. So, I need to fix my

calendars.

>> Why don't you just say you have a person

for this?

>> Um,

yeah,

I am probably

>> You're the worst at using

an assistant.

>> Yes,

that is exactly what I was about to say

because if it's really easy, I might as

well do it. And if it's hard, I need to

do it.

So, I just end up in my flowchart is

like no matter what, screw it. I'll just

do it.

Oh man.

>> To be clear, that's this is not a knock

against Vance. Vance is awesome. Um, he

he actually does a lot for me, but just

not that

like like travel for instance. Like

Vance checks me into all my flights.

>> Dude, he's getting fast.

>> Not the checkins. So he has Oh, like

bookings and stuff.

>> Yeah, we we worked through something

this week and it was

>> that might be why.

>> Um but but yeah, like like he he he

definitely like helps me with with very

useful stuff or just like if I'm if I'm

like, "Oh crap, I need to follow up on

that." I'll be like, "Vance, can you

follow up on that?" He'll he'll get it

he'll get it he'll get it going for me.

Um, so yeah, like it's great, but no,

I'm I'm not good at um delegating. Oh, I

have fixed my kids password managers. I

need to do that. My kids still don't

have password managers, and they're like

making their way into their teens at

this point, and it is becoming a

problem, especially because

um one of my kids has a password

manager. So, we've been really

inconsistent about where the other kids

passwords go. Sometimes they're in my

password manager, sometimes they're in

Ivon's, and sometimes they're in my

eldests. And there's no consistency

there. So, we need to kind of deal with

all that. And we're not even all using

the same password manager.

>> So, just sharing folders is not

>> straightforward either.

>> You have the thing now, though, right?

>> I know. I know. But it's that's what I'm

telling you. It's on my list to to deal

with.

>> Fans could do that, too.

>> For my goals, I have right counting

computers. That's at the top of my

goals. So, that's supposed to be the

follow-up to the ABCs of gaming.

which came out

five years ago,

so I haven't done that.

>> Nice.

>> Um, not Jesus says, "You are truly the

perfect example of a dude with ADHD.

Desperately in need of an assistant, but

utterly incapable of utilizing one."

Yes. Yeah, pretty much. Um,

yeah.

Oh, I have have my eldest daughter drill

something. We were at a family event and

using a drill came up and she was like,

I don't like drills. So, that's

something we need to get over. Um, I

decided very early on in parenting that

no daughter of mine will not be able to

throw a ball properly or be able to

drill a hole in a wall properly and use

basic tools. That's just not acceptable.

We

>> um

>> we I thought this might happen. We

apparently used to just email each

other.

Like I found an email thread from 2014

where we're just you're just like

spamming emails like you you you emailed

me just the word freess.

The the thread is the thread is just

called tasks and then you just emailed

me freess.

So the first email is voice over guide

for DIYA

uh node 804 case. Um

PFSense router guide overclocking guide

preparation fix up our cabling situation

here. Um

by extension cords, wall mount, power

bars, etc. And then you responded to

that one just saying freess. And then

you responded to that one just saying

wow set.

And then you respond to that one saying

calendar spot for ball pit.

And then I responded saying notes for

myself. Find new ad partner for the

forum. And no, I have no idea what

calendar spot for ball pit means.

>> So this explains why I got an email from

Lionus with just a picture and for Wan

show on it.

>> Oh, is this just how you guys operate?

>> All right, that makes so much more

sense. Everybody gets a pass.

I mean, email is just text messaging

>> pretty much,

>> except it's less likely to get lost.

Oh, shoot. Osiris in the chat says,

"When is the bitcase coming out, Linus?"

Yeah, I searched for CW in my in my

inbox and then I meant to actually click

on any of the things that come up. Okay,

this is from the weekly CW Huddle

October 21st meeting. Uh, NPIs or new

product introductions.

Let's see. On 10:24, we will be

introducing the glitch t-shirt, glitch

desk pad, and glitch pins. I guess you

guys knew that already. Available now

lttore.com. Okay, what else we got here?

Uh, thermocchromic jacket. something

something

NPI December

uh is apparently going to be the

bitcase. So it is it is uh it is green

in the finalized launch date thing. So,

I'm pretty sure Yeah, I'm pretty sure it

should come in December sometime, but

nothing is launched until it is actually

launched as we know very well from our

modmat.

Okay, what are we supposed to be doing?

>> I just I found uh

that was really random. I found my will,

which was apparently in my work email. I

was trying to find tasks and it came

Yeah, that was a that was an interesting

read. That's pretty old. Um,

surprisingly still relevant.

>> No, why would I give you why would I

give you things?

You don't need anything. Let me see just

in case.

>> A will is not just about stuff,

>> isn't it?

>> It's about sharing burden.

>> Mine is

what is it?

Pug boy says, "Okay, but do the birds

get anything?"

>> Oh, wait. Actually,

you are in it. But it's not about stuff.

>> But is it is it mean? No.

>> So, tell tell him I always hated him.

>> No, it's not. It's not mean.

Tell him I always hated him. Oh my god,

that would be so brutal.

>> Honestly, I would laugh.

I would actually think it's pretty

funny.

My whole life I was resentful of

>> everything.

Oh my god.

>> The whole relationship was toxic and I

hated every moment of it.

>> It's like already been almost half my

life. That would be intense. Oh my god.

>> I would, Dude, I would I there's no way

that even for a second I would believe

it. So I would think it's pretty damn

funny. I had a conversation with someone

the other day. Um

they they

I'm not going to get into the reasons

why we were talking about uh like if I

Yeah, I can't I won't talk about why,

but I was like if I got diagnosed with

cancer, I would tell Lionus on Wow.

>> Oh, that's so based what?

>> Oh, that's so based. Oh, that's amazing.

>> I don't This is not me doing that, by

the way. But I surprise

>> I was like I was like we we've had this

like thing forever that like if you died

we would monetize your like death in the

funeral. It was supposed to be a joke.

>> But I was like yeah I mean I got to tell

him somehow.

>> Langus would probably be like no no no

save for the show anyway if you tried

not to.

>> I really save it for the show. Save it

for the show. You just you just send you

an email to him that just says death

and nothing else

>> coming soon.

>> Subject death

>> death question.

>> Subject tasks

death. Oh man.

>> Casket.

>> Oh my god. Oh

>> great. Oh man. Um okay.

Anywh who um oh dude oh speaking of

monetizing my death um oh go ahead you

go first.

>> So the thing the reason why I'll just

say it uh I don't know if people are

going to like this or not. They might

dislike it but you know what I am who I

am in my will and the person who wrote

it for me made it very clear that there

was no expectation that this could

happen. They were not entirely

comfortable with writing it in. Um, but

in my will is there's a certain amount

of funds that should be put aside uh to

to to rent a boat and small and buy a

smaller boat and go out into

international waters and then put me in

a wooden boat and push me away and then

shoot it with a flaming arrow. And

that's how I want my

>> and I'm probably the one person that you

could imagine would even have any means

the means and the will to do it.

>> Thanks, man.

Okay, I understand why I'm in there now.

See, I that's what I was saying. It's

not just material stuff in the will.

That's my point. Exactly.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, that that is actually

legitimately in my will.

>> I don't think that's legal.

>> International waters. This This is an

important part. It has to be

international waters.

>> I would still have to I would still have

to obtain your human remains.

>> There is issues. There is issues getting

my Yeah. remains offshore. That's why I

was You're going to have to pay a

captain a lot, I think, is the

situation. Or you just have to

>> I think I know a guy.

>> Yeah. Or or you just have to buy the

boat yourself.

>> I think I No, I think I could find a

guy.

>> I got I got I got some.

>> Yeah. Okay.

>> Where there's a will, there's a way.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> I wrote this. You don't have to be dead

if you want. This would have been I

think this would have been like 20.

>> Yeah, it'd be a lot easier to get him

out there if he's not dead yet.

>> Well, he would be afterwards, but you

know.

>> Yeah, but that's that's later.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Unique username wrote,

"You're going to be a a pain in the ass

even when you're dead." The the lawyer

person literally said effectively that

they're like, "You can't really expect

people to like do this much work. Like

even if we figure out the legality

problems, like this is a lot of like

>> hoops to jump.

>> I think what we could do I think we

could honor the spirit of the request. I

think that we could get your ashes and

then we could get like uh I think what

we could do and and I I think I think

you'd approve of this. I think you'd

approve of this. I think we could get Do

you remember Slenderman? That like weird

cloth dummy that we obtained many years

ago.

>> Or like

>> Yeah.

>> Or we could use uh you know our skeleton

like Steve. Like we could use an iconic

piece of LMG or something, right? And

then we could like put your ashes like

in its heart or something like that. You

know, we get them all like this on the

thing. We get a little robo. No, I think

you're picking up what I'm throwing

down. I think you're picking up what I'm

throwing down. So, we put the ashes that

are legally obtained. We get like we get

some some iconic. We We get some like

Man, if we could obtain like an Xbox 360

or OG Xbox, it' have to be an OG Xbox.

We get an OG Xbox. We get your PC. We

get some like We get some some relics of

Luke's life. Okay. Kind of like Egyptian

Egyptian pharaoh.

>> This is part of the plan. This is part

of the plan. Y

>> but not maybe your wives or whatever,

you know. No, no, no.

>> And and then we put them we put them all

in the boat and then we do the arrow.

Okay. It realistically none of us are

archers. It might take a few tries. the

the plan. I don't have the whole thing

in here because it's my notes for it.

But the plan is that if I remember

correctly, it was supposed to be all of

the so like

>> if my if say my dad and my brother are

still

it's a line of Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. And I imagine we'd have to bring a

lot of arrows cuz like I don't think any

of us are archery whizzes and and like

re realistically we can't just shoot

right at it. That's not the way. No, you

got to arc. You have to arch. You have

to arc. Yeah. So we'd have to we'd have

to arc it.

>> Um, so this could like take a while and

then I would imagine that you'd want it

to like as much as possible like be an

event.

>> Oh yeah.

>> So it would have to be like like the

like the boat. There'd have to be like

music. Like we'd need like kind of

Nordic music kind of thing and like

there there should be food and it should

kind of culminate in this moment when we

put you out to sea and we like

>> and we we arc the flaming arrows onto

the boat and we watch it burn. Hell

yeah.

>> Like am I am I kind of am I kind of

picking up the right vibe here?

>> That wasn't exactly what I was

imagining, but it sounds fantastic. So,

hell yeah.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> I think the like side details weren't

honestly a lot of what I was trying to

get across.

>> No, it's the spirit.

>> Yes.

>> It's the spirit of the request. I think

we could handle it.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> I think we could handle it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. But I realistically you're younger

than me, so I' I'd ideally like for that

to not happen.

>> Yeah. So far, I'm doing all right. But

that is Yeah.

that is in there.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh

>> I insisted that it was important. They

they really didn't want to keep it in

there and I insisted that it was

important.

>> You're such a pain in the

>> Oh my god.

>> I'm Dude, I And the fact that I'm

thinking about this now is good. This is

why it's important to talk about this

stuff, right? cuz thinking about this

now when I can bounce ideas off of him

and I can kind of read the body language

and we can have a back and forth

conversation. It's not an easy

conversation,

>> but it's good because if if I was

blindsided with this dude,

>> dude,

>> I I do think you're right. At the same

time, though, I think between like you

and my brother and whoever else, I think

you guys would have got it.

>> I think so, too. I just

>> I do I do agree with what you're saying

though. I do agree with what you're

saying. Have you heard of daughter from

California syndrome?

>> What?

>> I learned I was yesterday years old when

I learned about daughter from California

syndrome.

>> Daughter

>> um

>> what

>> I think that's what it's called. Let me

double check. Yeah, daughter from

California. California syndrome. It has

a it has a Wikipedia page and

everything. And it's a phrase used in

the American medical profession. And I'm

just reading this off of Wikipedia to

describe a hitherto disengaged relative

who challenges the care of a dying

elderly patient

and assists and insists that the medical

team pursue aggressive measures to

prolong the patient's life. So basically

it's like how

it's the behavior of someone who's been

uninvolved with

>> suddenly wants to be involved but

there's no real chance now

>> and and this is the way that their brain

just like this is a switch that flips in

their brain that they have to keep this

person alive and that's the way that

they can show they they care. and we

need to spend a ton of money and we need

to be really aggressive with the medical

professionals who are doing their best

and kind of trying to tell you look

palative care is the way now um and yeah

daughter from California syndrome and so

you know I've gone through a couple of

um family losses you know in my life and

it's it's such a thing it's so much of a

thing man um yeah KSU wildat in in flow

plane chat that says literally my sister

when my mom had been in hospice for over

18 months. Um yeah, exactly. And so it's

it's and to be clear, I'm not like

attacking these people for their

behavior because I it's probably part of

their grieving process.

>> Yeah,

>> it it sucks for everyone else and they

need to not do that also. But like I I

understand that they're not in a great

headsp space, right? Um,

but like you never know who's going to

show up and who's going to be

in a not great headsp space at the time

of someone's passing. And when these

instructions are not explicit and when

they're not discussed ahead of time,

then there's a lot more room for

ambiguity. And and it can it can be

really stressful. Um, like it was it was

really it was really stressful going

through some of this stuff when my

sister passed. Um, my family is not the

least fragmented family of all time. I

mean, I think I've been pretty open that

my parents split when I was I don't even

know if I was one yet. Um, and there's

been that that was the beginning, not

the end of that story. And so um there

was a lot of you know

there was a lot of disagreement about

you know what should be done and it was

it was tough man. It was really tough.

>> I feel like I've been

relatively fortunate in that regard.

um both with my brother because I don't

imagine it will be even sort of an issue

between the two of us and also um the

the relatives that were closer to me

that passed there was no real none of

those complications. There were there

were some that I know of but they

weren't

>> Yeah, you told me about some Yeah. Yeah.

They were

>> that involved like creating a lot of

work for especially your dad.

>> Yeah.

>> That was not cool. I Yeah, I know the

thing you're I know the thing.

>> Yeah, my dad is surprisingly good at at

tanking stuff. Um, so he was able to

handle that.

>> He's a deescalator.

>> Yes.

>> So,

>> yeah. So, he was able to handle that

which was which was good.

>> But that shouldn't have happened.

>> No, I agree.

>> And I think I think something people who

are grieving forget is everyone else is

grieving too.

>> It's like really not the time for

fights. And I can understand the time to

make it about yourself

>> if you you know you you might be

genuinely getting screwed over by

someone who is just being a huge jerk

and like you might need to kind of

defend yourself to a certain degree but

like man it's crazy that this is like

kind of a default in most scenarios.

Like most most conversations I've had

with people about someone passing there

is a lot of disagreements and a lot of

fights and it's just kind of sad.

Yeah.

>> And I think that's I don't remember

because it's been quite a while since I

wrote it, but I think that was one of my

motivations for my thing because it's so

like crazy and grandiose that either you

do it or I don't care, man. Just do

whatever.

And if you do it then like sick and

whatever interpretation you have of

that, sick. Um

>> Yeah.

>> Be memorable.

>> Yeah, exactly.

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We've technically been on CW merch

messages for like a long time.

>> It's been like 30 40 minutes on one

merch message. So, let's do sponsors. We

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>> Uh, two more topics.

>> Oh, I mean, maybe we should get through

the uh the float plane thing, too.

>> No.

>> Nope. We should do some more topics.

>> Android box manufacturer softlocks

devices sold below official minimum

price. Scummy actions. Android box

manufacturer Superbox is locking

consumer devices to get back at

retailers if a retailer is delinquent in

their debts. really or sells a device

below the official minimum price set by

us.

>> Superbox will soft lock consumers

devices and instructs end users to

contact the retailer

>> as the fastest way to resolve the issue.

>> Dude, this is some mafia level stuff

here.

>> Superbox advertis.

>> So I'm Superbox. Okay. I sell you 10

super boxes.

You're a retailer. You're having a hard

time moving them, so you discount them.

You sell your 10 super boxes. Okay. A

bunch of our WAN show viewers. Uh let's

say uh here I'm going to name some uh

currently pooping an M white pone

crackers PK7 Crystal PC master Ray

unique username David K booger flinger

and Nippolus Cage. Okay,

these are actual float plane users. All

of them

you guys truly are the float goats. So

they all buy these boxes, right, at a

discount. I found out that you sold them

at a discount. I soft lock their devices

so they stop working and I tell them

they've got to go back to you so you can

compensate me for selling them at a

discount. How flipping wild is that?

Imagine. Imagine living in the brain of

the person who is a big enough a-hole to

do this.

>> Crazy.

>> Crazy.

>> Superbox advertises.

>> So, what is a Super set tops as IP TV

boxes? The brand doesn't appear to sell

direct to consumer or advertise its

MSRPs even or even authorized authorized

resellers. Yeah. Rough. So, customers

would be hardressed to avoid

suspiciously low prices as Superox

advises. Were they even aware it was a

possibility? Unfortunately, the practice

of setting a minimum advertised price or

map or minimum resales price MRP of a

price maintenance and and of price

maintenance

are all legal in the US and Canada.

What is price maintenance?

>> Wild. I've actually never heard of price

maintenance. I have heard of MAP.

>> I've heard the other ones. I haven't

heard of price maintenance.

>> Yeah, I'm going to have to click on

this. Our link is from the

>> price maintenance may occur when a

supplier prevents a customer from

selling a product below a minimum price.

Okay.

It may also occur when a supplier

refuses to supply a customer or

otherwise discriminates against them

because of their low pricing policy.

Okay. It's illegal only in certain

circumstances. However, the part where

you brick the consumer's box almost

certainly has to be illegal. However,

these are essentially pirate streaming

boxes as far as I can tell. So, they're

already operating in a completely

nebulous

legal area. U and it shouldn't surprise

you that people who run sort of morally

ambiguous businesses participate in

morally ambiguous business practices.

Um, this just felt like the single most

egregious case of

you no longer own the products that you

buy that I had yet seen. It went kind of

viral on the subreddit and I just

couldn't believe it. I wanted to flag

this. If you guys know anyone in your

life who is considering a super box,

make sure they know not to buy this.

This is

mindblowing to to use my ability to use

my device as leverage against the seller

who sold it to me.

What?

Yeah. Lol. Inverse says, "The worst

you've seen so far."

>> I mean, I guess honestly, I don't even

know. Would this be illegal? Hold on a

second. Cuz if it's legal to just turn

off the service of a device that you

ordered for no reason whatsoever

like, is this any worse? Like, yeah,

it's it's it's more insidious. Like,

it's like worse in a sense, I guess, but

the outcome is the same. The device you

paid for doesn't work anymore.

Too Far Gone says, "Put them in the

flaming." I think this makes me more

uncomfortable

if the box wouldn't normally rely on a

service, if that makes sense.

>> I think it does though because they're

they're probably running their own

pirate streaming, which is probably a

big part of why they don't have a

reseller list and they don't have an

MSRP right?

>> Because they're just trying to stay as

as under the radar as

>> Yeah, this was a really good idea if you

wanted to stay under the radar.

>> I know, right? stupid.

>> Anyway, all right. We can

>> moving on. Uh,

OpenAI unveils its Chromiumbas based

chat GPT web browser Atlas as a tool for

vibe liifing. The same week, Microsoft

launches Copilot mode in Edge and

introduces Mo, the new Clippy. I would

have been actually totally down for them

to just bring Clippy back, not whatever

Mo is. Uh, Atlas, ChatGpt's thing, looks

and functions like a traditional web

browser, but it adds chat GPT functions

and features throughout. Opening a new

tab lets you either enter a URL or ask

JGPT a question, uh, which is just

googling things these days. Uh, browser

memory is an optional tool that tracks

the pages and topics you've you've

explored so Atlas can suggest related

content, help you revisit past research,

and automate repetitive tasks.

>> Hey, it's recall

>> and now you're asking for it. Hey, let's

go. Vibe lifing. Uh, we believe we can

start in the long run to have an amazing

tool for vibe lifing.

Will Ellsworth, the research lead for

agent mode in Atlas, said during the

live stream, "So delegating all kinds of

tasks both in your personal and

professional life to the agent in Atlas

is apparently viing."

Okay. Uh Microsoft's Edge Copilot mode

does really similar stuff to Atlas with

co-pilot actions performing similar uh

simple tasks for you and the journeys

feature remembering your past. Okay, so

it's the same thing. Both browsers claim

to, and they're both Chromium. Uh,

hooray. Uh, both browsers claim to care

about your privacy. Cough cough. They

definitely don't. Uh, and they need

permissions to take actions on sensitive

sites such as financial institutions.

Um, they probably actually don't want to

do that because the liability. So, they

might actually care about that.

Microsoft introduced Mo or Microsoft

Copilot.

>> Mo.

>> Yeah. Okay. Maybe it is Mo. If it's

Microsoft Copilot.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. I don't know anymore.

>> Who knows? I think it's probably

whatever you want it to be. Uh, a new

visual presence/mascot.

It listens, reacts, and even changes

colors to reflect your interactions.

What? It's a mood sensing ring. Um,

everybody's just comparing it to Clippy,

although I can't show you because I

don't have access to the dock where

apparently everybody's doing that. Um,

>> remember when Cortana was supposed to be

this?

>> Yeah. At least that was cool because it

was like Xbox and Halo and like

>> if Cortana just didn't just like royally

suck,

>> it would have been all right.

>> I didn't mind the general implementation

of Cortana. I actually thought the idea

was cool.

>> It was just terrible at everything that

it tried to do.

>> Charge Nuclei 8300 says it was never

cool.

>> You take that back. The branding was

cool.

>> The branding was awesome.

>> It was cool that it was cool that they

paid the actual Cortana voice actress.

That was cool.

>> Yeah.

>> The the like functionality of Cortana

was not as

>> interesting.

>> The functionality was the entire

problem. And and it's not the

functionality like they they decided it

would do the the wrong things and I

wanted to do other things. The things

that it could theoretically do were

often actually kind of neat. It just

couldn't do them very well. That was the

problem.

Clippy comes up if you click on Mo too

much from Satya.

>> Really?

>> What do you mean Clippy comes up?

>> Imagine being aware enough that it's

just Clippy and that people are kind of

nostalgic for Clippy to do that, but not

being aware enough to just make the

mascot Clippy.

>> Oh, Mo is so generic and boring, too.

Oh no.

Oh, that sucks.

>> You should just be able to I mean, I'm

sure Eventually, you'll be able to buy

skins.

>> Yeah. Wow, this is such a Okay, what am

I supposed to click on here? Clicky

comparisons. Okay.

Uh,

it's just going to be Okay, this is it.

That's That's Mo.

>> I like our toucan better.

>> Yeah, Mo's just a blob.

You can't offend anybody if it's not

anything.

I guess

>> I don't know. I don't know. Those colors

seem

>> Yeah, that's true.

>> Um distinctly

like they could be too human or maybe

they'd seem like they're not human

enough.

>> That's true. That one looks like a sour

peach.

>> Yeah,

>> I'm trying here.

>> But yeah, apparently if you uh

>> Nice.

I didn't even see what he's doing. Dang,

I missed out.

>> Making making him spin along with him.

>> Someone linked it. Uh, man, somebody

linked it turning into Clippy. Here we

go. Here we go. Hold on.

If you tap on it a bunch of times and

come on there, Clippy, which immediately

looks so much cooler.

>> Can we just have Clippy?

>> Can I just say that? Just

instantaneously looks so much cooler.

unique username says, "Oh, I've seen

this rolled out to me. Definitely

designed by committee. Zero character."

>> That's been that's been really um I

shouldn't say eye opening because I've

noticed it before, but being in Japan

and China recently, like mascots are so

much more of a thing here still.

Remember when mascots were everywhere?

Remember when Mr. clean was like

>> more than just a a a picture on the the

bottle. Actually, they might still use

Mr. Clean.

>> Mr. Steal your girl, man. They probably

do. Do the Chad.

>> Every dude, everything has a mascot

here. And I I kind of love it. I love

it.

>> All right. Um I did like that in Japan,

too. I would say that was very cool.

Uh

>> apparently Mr. Clean is still in the

commercials and is CGI now. I just

haven't seen a TV commercial in

>> Yeah, I'm not surprised. All right.

What's this? Lionus

>> search picture from Lionus for W show

last week.

>> Uh I I think this is this is

probably safe to just screen Oh, hold

on. Hold on. Do

>> you want me to double check and sanitize

for you? Uh

>> no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. I

need to see the

phone.

>> Uh, okay. Uh, yeah. Let Can you just cut

out the um

>> the search

>> the the the start menu part

>> because this is this is notes from the

fab tour that I was that I was recently

on. So, I've got some cool content for

y'all.

>> There you go. Nice.

>> What I'm doing what I'm doing overseas.

>> Wait, what the heck?

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about

it. Don't worry about it.

>> Don't uncrop it. I guess

>> that looks safe to me.

>> Don't uncrop it. You

>> want me to share screen? It looks It

looks like it's uh been solved.

>> Oh, okay. Yeah, I'll tell the people

what I'm doing here later.

>> What?

Okay, never mind. There you go.

>> Just get rid of the two. Sorry.

>> Virus might not need the two. Replace

replace the paint logo with

>> last week. Remember I was talking about

Windows search being a giant piece of

garbage

and then I couldn't I couldn't replicate

it on stream

>> and this time you typed in pin and it

came up with paint.

Dude,

>> was there something

>> changing my pin? Four, five, six, seven,

eight. Changing my pin, which is what I

was trying to do, is the eighth result.

The eighth result, Luke,

>> now I understand what they're trying to

do.

>> I see what they're trying to do. It's a

typo. The next time I did it, the next

time I did it, after I clicked pin and

like after I clicked that eighth result

and then I tried to replicate this

again, it searched for pin. So, it's

using user behavior.

But this shouldn't be the default. This

is almost a brand new Windows install

because that's why I was trying to set

up the pin because I I inherited this

machine from someone who was working on

like labs testing for it or something

like that. So like like this is not

based on user behavior because they

wouldn't have been using paint or pin

p I N and it didn't just like go here

for a second and then and then like flip

over. You know how it'll do that

sometimes where it's like it just hasn't

caught up and it's changing.

>> No, I typed p i n in search and it's

like do you mean paint? Do you mean

Pinterest? Do you mean lots of slot

casino games?

Even command prox.

>> What are you talking about?

Cash frenzy.

What is that? Why are Cash Frenzy and

lots of slots casino games

above set up a pin?

Why is anything from the store above a

relatively close match from your apps or

settings or files?

Just saying

>> it's crazy.

And like look at all the wasted space on

the right. This gigantic

paint icon in just a void of emptiness.

If you want to have a bunch of ads, put

it there.

Don't put it anywhere.

>> It's actually unacceptable anywhere.

>> And that's fine. That's a completely

valid take and I agree. But if you're

going to have them, they clearly are.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Don't put them in the search results.

Put cash frenzy somewhere else.

And yes, guys, I am a I'm aware of

OpenShell. I'm aware. But I I genuinely

like to use Windows in its in its stock

form.

>> Yeah, we're trying to correct the stock

experience, which is the experience that

the incredibly vast majority will have,

which is the problem.

>> That thing he said

>> and we need to experience it in order to

feel the righteous fury that we do right

now.

>> Yes, it's important to experience it in

that way. It's also important that you

as a power user don't have to. That is

cool. I appreciate that. That is

awesome.

>> Um, but we need to not so that Yeah,

everything that he said. Um,

>> okay.

The bionic eye. We're kind of getting

there. We could maybe do the flip

announcements now. I think that would be

fine.

>> Sure, whatever you want.

>> All right.

>> Oh, wait. Was I going to tease what I'm

doing here?

>> What are you doing there?

>> What am I doing here? Do you know

>> what? Oh, like in the country. Yeah, I

do. Yeah, go for it. Tease it. Yeah, do

it. That isn't the float plane

announcements, but just do it.

>> I I Oh, it's in float plane

announcements.

>> It is is isn't is not

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.

Uh, so I was in Japan for 3 days doing

one of the coolest factory tours that I

have ever done. Uh, this has been in the

works for many months. I'm pretty

>> it will probably be in the works for

more months yet.

>> Um I there's certain things that we shot

that I am hoping are going to make their

way through the approvals process. It it

got all the way to the COO apparently

some of the stuff that we wanted to see.

Um, but we were in Kio's

cuttingedge

fab

and we saw some stuff.

We filmed some stuff. We are working on

a video. They actually they actually

sponsored the video. So, it is very much

they are this is actually a little bit

of like 4D chess here. Um, doing these

factory tours in a sponsored capacity is

actually a powerful motivator for the

brands to

open up more and find a way when it

comes to disclosing all the stuff. Um, I

operate in exactly the same way that I

would for a normal facility tour except

that I will have like like I do I'll

have my chunks where we kind of, you

know, suck off the brand a little bit to

make sure we get some talking points in

there. But in terms of the actual like

body of the content, um, like I'll

include stuff that I wouldn't normally

care about, you know, like founded in

this year,

>> like you guys don't care. You want to

see a cutting edge fab, you know what

I'm saying? But I I but I worked that

in. I go found it in this year.

Whatever, right? Uh because that's how

you get that's how you get into these

places. Um you just got to you got to

get on your knees a little bit. That's

all I'm saying. And

guys, it was absolutely flipping

incredible. Like have you ever seen

Luke? Like I think fundamentally you

understand the concept of like die

stacking right?

>> Okay. But have you ever actually seen

them?

>> No.

>> Stacked and wired together? No.

>> Did you even know

>> that they use

>> wire? No. Cuz the second you said wired

together, I was like

>> I see I assumed that it'd be like some

kind of through silicon something.

Um, but the No, no. The the dyes are

manufactured and then they're stacked in

a staircase structure so that one edge

is exposed on all of them and then they

are wired down to the substrate

individually. It blew my flipping mind,

Luke.

>> That's pretty wild.

>> It blew my flipping mind. Yeah. Like I

just Yeah. Wire bonding. Thank you,

batler gun. I had just never thought

about it fundamentally understood the

concept of die stacking.

>> Yeah.

>> But never really like never looked at a

at a microscope picture of it. Never

looked at the machinery that does it.

The the the gold wire was so thin that

you could barely see it hanging down.

Dude, wire bonding is flipping wild. Um

anyway, so so making these sponsored is

a great way to get the brand just as

invested as I am in getting the video

over the line. Um like we went through

this with uh with Intel back in the day

where there there was like what a three

month, two month, three month gap

between me doing the tour

>> and us releasing the video.

>> Yeah. as it made its way through all the

approvals and all the the challenges

that go on with showing some of the most

secretive and secure facilities on

Earth, right? And so, um, I have no

doubt and it's nothing against Intel.

It's nothing against Kioxia. These are

these are big secrets and these are very

important, you know, details that need

to be worked out. So, I have no doubt

that it's going to take some time. But I

also have no doubt that we are going to

get this video out there for you guys

and you're going to absolutely have your

minds flipping blown. I'm so excited. Um

and and yeah, this is this is the best

system that we've kind of found for

doing these facility tours and getting

everyone aligned on our goal of making

the best possible most comprehensive

possible video. because I I'll like I'll

turn it around on the brand when I'm

probably being too open right now

because if anyone watches this, they're

going to recognize my strats, right? But

I'll like I'll turn it around on the

brand when we're working on approval to

see something. I actually pulled this

move yesterday with a different brand.

Um where they basically go, "Well, we

can't show that." And I go, "Well, why

am I here then? What did you pay me for

to to show?" They're like, "Well, that's

too cutting edge. That's too that's too

secret." And I'm basically like, right,

but the whole point of this, like, let's

go back to the brief, right? The whole

point of this was you guys wanted to

show off your cutting edge technology.

So why are you taking the cuttingest

edgest of it and you're telling me I

can't shoot it in the I can't put it in

the video. This doesn't make any sense.

We need to escalate this right now.

Like, help me help you tell the story

the best that that you can. You're

you're smiling cuz you've probably heard

me do it. I've done it myself, too. But

I I distinctly remember because the the

first experiences of this for me, which

it might have been for you, I'm not

sure. Um was Cherry and then Sennheiser.

Um and I remember

>> always the same, man.

>> Yeah. I remember learning that there and

then having to reapply it over and over

again. Um because

>> always the same

>> and like I get where they're coming

from, but they're wrong.

Yes.

>> Uh, like I remember Sennheiser

specifically didn't want us to show the

failed bins for their drivers.

>> We were like, "No, this shows that like

you care that the product is going to be

good and work, so it's going to show up

appropriately. That matters and is going

to resonate with the audience." They're

like, "No, but it looks bad because we

like didn't do it perfectly every time."

Like that. No, that's not Come on.

That's not the point.

>> I actually told that story yesterday.

>> Yeah, I'm not surprised. No, I told that

story a few days ago. I told that story

a few days ago. Um, I had to I had to

tell a different story yesterday, but it

is they're real stories based on our

very real experiences.

>> And and the thing that I always remind

these brands is you guys

booked us. You guys booked us based on

the factory tours you saw. You wanted us

to tell your story the way we tell the

story where we go in and we get into the

grit and we talk about the real

processes that are involved in building

your products. We help people appreciate

the challenges that go into building

these things that go into creating the

technology that we all love. You're you

brought me here. You paid good money for

me to be here because you saw that.

Well, guess what? When I made those

videos, I went through all the same

stuff that we're talking about right

now. That video wouldn't get made if I

wasn't having the same battles then that

I'm having it with you right now. I need

to film this step.

>> It's it's literally every time, too.

Like, it's it's it's quite literally

every single time.

>> Yeah. And so, I'm not singling anybody

out because I totally understand it.

>> It's everyone. I mean this is uh uh this

is um

it makes sense

like this is your business. This is your

livelihood.

>> Yeah.

>> This is that's what you're protecting,

right? Like the stakes are huge. I get

it.

>> It's like don't do a factory tour.

>> Watching someone jump off a diving board

and do a really cool dive and you're

like, I want to do that. And then you

get up to the diving board and you're

like,

and then Lionus has to convince you to

jump and then it's fine.

>> Yeah. And then you do it and then you

know the viewers love it and and at the

end of the day I mean and this is one of

the ones that I kind I have to go

through this one every time too, right?

is like uh especially when it comes to

like um like blurring logos on machinery

is always a funny one to me because I'm

like brother you know that's a that's a

that's a widget matron right

the the people on earth who even know

what a widget matron who have even heard

of the company whose brand you're

covering up can recognize that machine

from its profile and the positioning of

the dials anyway and the people who

don't know what that brand is are not

going to build a competing semiconductor

fab. So what are we even talking about

here?

>> Yep.

>> And that's that wouldn't be necessarily

applicable to like a to to like a

semiconductor machine because there's a

high level of like customiz

customization that goes on in them. But

for certain things, um I I did have to

have this conversation very recently

around something that was more of like a

piece of scientific equipment where it

is an offthe-shelf thing and it's just

like well it's a trade secret. who makes

that. I'm like, bro, in the scientific

community where they know what these

things are, they're how many people even

make those things for one thing, and

then how hard would it be to go, "Okay,

yeah, it's that one from the product

catalog." You're not you're not hiding

anything from anybody um from anybody

who

would be able to do anything with the

knowledge. You're hiding it from people

who wouldn't be able to do anything with

the knowledge that you would be arming

them with by telling them the

manufacturer of this of this piece of

scientific equipment. Um and and and and

like another funny one is like you know

guys

people talk and and it's not me it's not

me talking. The industry is so inbred

people move around between companies all

the time. Like if you imagine for a

second, and I'm going to use an example

that like isn't a real one, so I'm not

calling anybody out here, but like if

you imagine for a second your special,

you know, idea for a bracket to cable

manage a tube is like not in everybody

else's fab that they're also keeping

super secret from you. You got to be

kidding yourself. Like it's I'm sorry.

It like like it's it's the basic stuff

like that. Like the actual the actual

details, you know, the proprietary

chemical mixtures and stuff like that.

Totally understand. Yeah. Don't tell me

that. I don't even want to know that. I

don't want to be armed with knowledge

that could be so damaging to your

business.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> but some of the some of the little

details like the way we position that

warning label, it's like, bro, come on,

man. You got to be kidding me right now.

>> And and the funny thing is a lot of the

time it's it's not even on them. Like

it's not Kyokia's fault some of the

things that, you know, they need to get

legal approval for. Sometimes it's their

partners. Yeah, it's their partners

being totally irrational. It's like

you're you're not allowed to disclose

that we use a you know a hex head on our

bolts to secure this piece of equipment

to the

>> There were details and I'm I'm not

throwing them under the bus like

genuinely.

>> Uh I think they were just doing exactly

what they needed to do

>> on the Intel tour. There was details

that we were not allowed to share about

the tour that we did

because of the brand partners that they

were working with. And then Lucas found

videos from those brand partners on

YouTube that had those details in them.

We're just like, wait, what?

Like what are you talking about?

Oh man. Oh well.

>> And and you know PR people are going to

PR

>> and Yeah. And and it's easier to say no.

>> Yep.

>> So I totally get that. It's it's lower

friction internally. Nobody ever got

fired for saying no, you can't disclose

that,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> But, you know, we don't achieve anything

that way, right? And so, uh, and and I'm

I'm just and and so I just I want to

take a moment here after my ranting,

right, to appreciate the companies that

try that that try to open up the doors

and and and give us this insight into

into what they're doing. Like I I was

I'm hugely respectful even though it's

pulling teeth every time. I I have

enormous respect for companies like

Kyioia and Intel and Cherry and anyone

else that we kind of named and didn't

shame. We're not shaming them here for

trying to do this in the best way that

they possibly can. It's super cool and

it's something that otherwise just a

small handsful of people on Earth would

ever get a chance to see and experience.

And you know, as someone who just

believes in the sharing of knowledge and

and education, um I appreciate that they

are they're trying to to do better. So I

it's super cool and I'm really excited

for you guys to see that facility tour.

Um

I was I was blown away by yesterday. So

yesterday was high sense

when I

when we got the invite and I was like

okay but like is it like a panel fab do

you guys do your own like panel

technology

>> and they're like no it's not panels it's

just like the the TV itself I was like

is that going to be that interesting

Luke

don't miss this video

>> high sense factory tour. There were a

couple things that unfortunately no

matter how hard I pushed, I wasn't able

to get them to show you. And one of them

is not going to sound that cool.

Um, it basically it's like in real time

a computer animation with like kind of

transparency and stuff of the entire

production line. I'm allowed to describe

it, but I I wasn't allowed to shoot it.

um that shows all the machines, all the

automations on this over 70% automated

factory line that takes the TV from

constituent parts, the from the screws

and and cables and panel and back

housing and glue like all of all of the

constituent parts and assembles them had

them all operating in real time with

various efficiencies and and operational

telemetry telemetric data. um so that

they can proactively perform

maintenance.

>> So cool. And that kind of like factory

automation.

>> Yeah, that's really cool.

>> Toolkit stuff is is not the sort of

thing that I would necessarily expect

someone who's more just like nuts and

bolts hardware to care about,

>> but it it was like mindblowing.

>> A lot of the kind of stuff that's

incredibly important to them because

they have to keep margins down, right?

>> Up, but yes. Yeah, that was

>> and and efficiency was such a major

story.

>> They had this machine that automated

like a glue application step that they

were boasting saved them 9% on glue.

And I was like,

right,

>> at the volume you guys are operating

>> at the volume you guys are operating at.

Even if it's a dollar worth of glue,

that's 9 cents a unit. Just like that.

Boom. That machine pays for itself,

dude. The level the level of automation

on this thing. Oh, PC master Rays says,

"How the heck is an automated line

profitable for a specific model of

display?" You're going to love this

video, dude. It really puts in

perspective the volume of consumer

electronics that are being shipped

because yes, the entire line that we are

watching running the way that it is is

one model of TV that's being produced

right now. Um and and the the automation

of it is absolutely

incredible. Like it wasn't that long ago

that I was here in China touring the

OnePlus factory and them telling me,

"Yeah, screws are still too hard."

Dude, almost nothing is too hard now.

Like it's 70% now, 71% now. And there

were multiple steps that still had

humans working on them that they were

like, "Yeah, and we are in active

development automating this as well."

And

not only does it save cost, but they're

like, "Yeah, the quality is dramatically

better." Um, like like marketkedly

better. It it's it's going to be it's

going to be a pretty it's going to be a

pretty cool video.

>> There was something else I was going to

say, but Oh, yeah. Right, right, right.

Yeah. Mew Mu actually nailed it. So, we

finally find out how TVs are getting

cheaper. Yeah. Like, we're you're going

to get to see

how deep a company like Highense is

digging to find the savings to make TVs

like the one of the only categories of

consumer product right now that is

seemingly inflation proof somehow.

You guys will get to see it and it will

blow your flipping mind.

That's I'm I'm genuinely quite excited.

I I love the like man

I wish How It's Made was still a thing.

And I know there's like some sort of

derivatives, but there was there was

something pure about how it's made that

was just so great. But I I I love seeing

that type of stuff. I'm very into it.

>> Oh, I was using a um LED factory kind of

how it's made type thing. No music, no

talking um as as test audio for the

today's show. Oh, really? There's like

so much cool stuff on YouTube that's

like even better than how it's made. And

a lot of it comes out of these

hyperautomated factories. It's super

awesome.

>> Maybe I just need to go find those.

>> Yeah, it's a different algorithm.

>> One battle, speaking of automation, that

I had to have with High Sense was uh

showing the human steps. They didn't

want to show the human steps. And I was

like, bro, no, we're showing the human

steps because this video is

>> it's not how it's made the the TM, but

it's it's how it's made. We want to we

can't I can't walk into I can't do the

intro of this video say it's 71%

automated and then not show a single

human

>> I'm so much more interested if I see the

human steps too because I I know that

the people there are heavily

incentivized to automate things. So then

then I'm trying to think and go, okay,

how would they automate this still

remaining step? And why is it so

difficult? Because if they're making a

whole thing to save 9% of glue,

>> then they they clearly would love to,

but it's it's so difficult. So like it's

it's that makes it so much more

interesting.

>> Yeah. PC Master Ray says, "Didn't turn

up for 71% of a TV." And that's exactly

like that's exactly the line that that

I'll that I'll pull with these guys. is

like I wouldn't have flown here if you

weren't going to show me the whole

thing. You got to understand we're we're

doing the whole thing and you just you

got to be you got to be firm because at

the end of the day it's it's for their

own good but but I understand you know I

understand why it's so tough and it's

just it's part of the content creation

process man. It's just part of uh it's

part of learning how to work together,

learning how to move forward and again

massive massive credit to everyone we're

working with on this trip. So, we hit

Kyioxia already. We hit high sense

already yesterday and then we're going

to Huawei in a couple of days. And um

actually Luke, you might be kind of into

the lab that we're going to there. I was

not 100% sold on it because I know that

like health tech is not always what

resonates the most with our audience,

but dude, the health tech lab they have,

I don't even care if it gets like

300,000 views or whatever. I just wanted

to see it. Um, they have like an like a

like an they have like an inplay

swimming pool. They have a bike track

apparently that like goes around their

facility. Like they

>> you get to do the tests.

>> I haven't gone yet, but I'm going to

>> Oh, that's so cool.

>> Yeah. So, I'm going to actually like get

hooked up,

>> dude. Benchmarking Linus.

>> Use Yeah. use the health lab that they

use to like create the sensors for like

smart wearables and stuff. Like it's

going to be bench. I'm really excited.

>> I'm so excited, dude. It's going to be

awesome

>> in

I was going to make an ins Soviet Russia

joke but

yeah, in in somewhere uh benchmark

benchmarks you or something. I don't

know. Anyway,

>> exactly.

>> Um okay.

>> Can't wait. Okay. What were we supposed

to be doing?

Oh, hey. Whoa. Uh, if you want if you

don't want spoilers because you're

you're toing the game or whatever, then

don't um don't listen to me for the next

uh 5 seconds. But, um, hey, Jay's win.

>> Game one. Let's go.

>> Oh, hey. Nice.

>> Yeah,

>> I've actually got a merch message about

that. Maybe we do that now.

>> Sure.

>> Uh, hello DLL. Game one of the World

Series just started. Any baseball fans

here? Also, this new t-shirt design is

incredible. Please continue with designs

like this.

Um

I the last time I followed baseball for

real, John Olarude played for the Blue

Jays. Um and Ken Griffy Jr. was like the

league superstar.

Um, I have a peripheral interest in most

major sports enough to kind of know who,

you know, the people are. I know the

rules of baseball pretty well. I played

baseball as a kid. Uh, but I haven't

really like followed followed uh since

the last time the Jays were contenders.

They're Canada's only team.

>> Yeah, Canada is big bandwagoning right

now. Most I I know almost no Canadians

that watch or care about baseball pretty

much at all. Some people like like

Lionus said

>> might know some of the players names and

like we'll we'll watch a game here or

there if there's nothing else really on.

And I'm sure people from like the local

city care. Uh but most of Canada is not

that tuned in except for for sure right

now. Like everybody is in which is fun.

Whatever. Sometimes it's neat to jump on

a bandwagon. It is what it is.

>> You know what? And I think it's I think

it's good. I think it's good for I think

it's good for the sport, too, because

like think about it. They've been

calling this the World Series for all

this time. And there's only one team

that's not from that's not from America.

So, I I think it makes sense that you

have to have a team from another country

win it every once in a while. Otherwise,

you're just going to have to change the

name.

>> Yeah. Well, no, you can't call it the

World Series.

>> Just need to compete. They wouldn't have

to win. They just need to compete.

>> I guess that's true. Well, for a long

time, they didn't compete and now they

are. Yeah. So, no, I'm No, it's it looks

like fun. I got to say baseball is

probably my favorite sport to watch.

Maybe not favorite, but among it's like

very high. I don't like watching I can't

watch a baseball game. It's too long and

there's too much downtime for me to to

like be focused on it. Um, but

highlights, I love baseball highlights.

It's like one of my favorite sports to

just binge highlights of because

>> some of them are great. It feels like

the athleticism like they're they are so

because of the the pay in baseball like

uh oh man, what's his name? Show uh got

like a $700 million contract or whatever

it was. That's wild. By the way, that

guy just looks like if you genetically

engineered like Chad Hume. Um

yeah, wild. Anyway, the point is um

these are some of the best athletes in

the world because the the money's there,

right? So if you are if you are

literally a world-class athlete that

could play any game you want, baseball

would be a super high candidate. But

they spend most of the time standing or

like sitting in a dugout. So when they

do move, man,

>> wow, everything it's

>> it's easy to look at a baseball game in

progress where 95% of the players are

literally not doing anything and go

like, you know, this is boring. you

know, any any fat white dude could do

this. You know, why why don't why why

can't my uncle just my uncle could have

thrown a better pitch than that? You

know, it's easy to to couch, you know,

what what what are they called? Just

like couch warrior it or whatever,

right? But then the things they do,

damn, incredible. Love it. Love it.

>> Okay, speaking of loving the things that

they do, let's do

>> armchair quarterback. That's the one.

>> Let's do the full point announcement.

Dan, do you have the dock?

>> I do.

>> I don't understand this at all. I've

read it like four times and I think uh

either AI did this or Sammy just derped.

But

>> I believe you have to guess the prompt.

>> Not me though.

>> Made right. But then how is it a

competition?

>> I don't know.

>> If I can guess it, I win. And if I can't

guess it, you win.

>> But there's like points and stuff.

I don't know. I don't know what we're

talking

>> whatever. Anyways, Riley and I, as in me

directly, tried out the new Sora 2 app

and discovered just AI content and

discovered just AI content affecting

social media on Tuesday.

The video is now out, but I thought we'd

play a fun game with Lionus. You're

going to watch the video and guess the

prompt. Dan will decide if you're close

enough for the point. the winner.

Bragging rights as in every competition.

Dan, please play video one. Okay,

>> folks, just a second. I'm trying to keep

these lanes clear. Thank you. Yeah, I'm

that guy stopping traffic, but it's for

a reason. Our neighborhood's only public

badminton courts are about to get turned

into a parking lot. These games build

>> What do you think the prompt was?

>> Supposed to guess the prompt?

>> Yeah. I mean, okay. Um

Okay. protester

protester

um

protester at rally to save our

communities badminton courts gets

support from Mark Cuban.

>> I will say I mean

>> pretty pretty close actually.

>> Yeah. I mean I would give that to him.

>> I I would also give that to him. Maybe

we'll give him a ding. I will I will I

will also say I think like pretty much

every time the person is named. I would

still give that to you

>> but pretty much every time we tried to

name the person.

>> Oh,

>> this time I will say it gave us a like

we can't recreate them. Uh so I just

referenced like effectively who they

were so it could guess it pretty easily.

But e the person is supposed to be

specific. You knew Mark Cuban. That one

was

>> who who was the Oh, can I see the other

one? I didn't notice the other one was a

person. Was it Sam again?

>> Mhm.

>> Just a second. I'm trying to keep you.

>> Thank you.

>> Yeah, I'm that guy stopping traffic, but

it's for a reason. Our neighborhood's

only public badminton courts are about

to get turned into a park

>> I didn't think you would cuz that was

supposed to be you. Um I originally

typed

>> Lionus Sebastian and then it was like we

can't do that. We can't recreate that

person. So I said the main host from

Lionus Media Group. Um and it it spat

out that.

>> Okay. Okay. So, question for you and

we're going to go off topic a little bit

here, I think, but it's sort of on

topic.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz you have to opt in as an influencer.

>> Yeah.

>> To have your your yourself. Should I opt

in?

>> No.

>> Oh, no. No. I I want to I want to be

clear, I I haven't opted in.

>> Do you want the argument? Is that what

you're saying?

>> Yeah. I want to have the conversation.

>> Uh because some people are right.

>> Yeah, we have some of them in here. We I

won't name them. I almost just did. I

mean, Mark Cuban is one though. Um, and

and you kind of like get something like

if you notice Dan, if you go to the end

of that clip,

>> uh, if you can bring it back up and go

to the go to like the very end. Yeah,

>> he got that included. So, there's like a

little URL.

>> I I I don't know if it's I if it's a

condition or or what.

>> Play it again. I can pause it on it.

Sure.

>> Folks, just a second. I'm trying.

>> Thank you. Yeah, I'm that guy stopping

traffic, but it's for a reason. Our

neighborhood's only public badminton

courts are sort of pretty quick turn

into a parking lot right there. It's

Yeah, right there.

So, that's part of his thing. And as far

as my understanding goes, you can get

like a thing that comes along with your

likeness and that's his thing. Um, other

people have other

>> do like Ltd store

>> maybe,

>> right?

>> But I mean, we just got him protesting

for badinton courts. So, you might

people could make you do things you

don't necessarily want to do. Um, do you

want to promote people doing that? Cuz

like when we were doing this, I didn't

actually intend for him to be in that at

all. I accidentally fat fingered

>> Mark Cuban.

>> Yeah. I accidentally fat fingered his

There's like tags above the input field

and I was trying to do something else

and I accidentally bumped it and then

when we watched the video and he was in

it, we were like, "What?" And then we

looked back at the prompt and we saw

that he was tagged in it. Um, so it's

like it promotes you using

>> these people that have given their

likeness over to the app. Um,

>> that's pretty wild.

>> I just I think especially right now

until we get better things figured out

over like the laws around likeness and

stuff, it's better to just

hold on to it for now. Uh,

>> well, see me, I feel like this is quite

shortsighted. I mean, I'm not going to

claim to have a better long-term vision

than Mark Cuban. He's obviously been

very successful. Um,

>> let's let's here let's finish watching

some of these before you uh keep

commenting.

>> Hold on. Let me let me just finish with

this one. Just one thought.

>> But I feel like I feel like right now

the strongest argument that I could come

up with for allowing it

>> would be

>> it's pretty obvious that it's still

fake. So it doesn't really matter. I

don't think anyone Hold on. I'm I'm

gonna get there. Like I I don't think it

I don't think anyone would actually

think that, you know, Lionus is

promoting

cat and dog breeding, you know, let's

let's let's go with like an, you know,

an end times thing.

>> Sure. Sure.

>> The cats are mating with the dogs, you

know, like I I No one would actually

think that. So So maybe maybe it doesn't

matter. And all publicity is good

publicity. That's the best argument that

I could think of. And then that coupled

with well people are going to make it

anyway. So, I might as well I might as

well

I might as well have a hand in

controlling my destiny that people are

going to do this anyway.

>> Store out there or whatever.

>> Not even that. I I just mean like

like I I might as well It's better to be

complicit in your own

being used than than fighting it. And

No, no, no. I'm not saying these are

good arguments. I'm saying these are

probably the best

>> I hear you

>> devil's advocate arguments that I could

come up with. Um but the problem is that

both of them are kind of easy to

>> I think it's just rev, right?

>> I think it's just relevance. I think you

>> cultural relevance is the biggest

argument.

>> I think you want your

likeness to be on that scrollable thing

right on top of the prompt all the time

being relevant to everyone. Um, and like

the one of the Paul brothers or maybe

both of them were on there. Um, clearly

Mr. Cuban, some other people like

there's I think they're trying to stay

in the zeitgeist. That being said, in my

opinion, I don't doesn't really feel

like that many people are using the app.

I noticed Sam Olman has 60,000 followers

and a

a video a Sora video that went omega

viral on Twitter and ended up making

someone over a grand in like Twitter

prime money or whatever that is. Um

>> yeah,

>> had like a few hundred likes on Sora.

Like I don't think people actually care.

It's just a garbage slop app that no one

really uses. It's just morbid curiosity

and then they go away. But anyways,

should we do number two?

Um,

PC Master Rays here says, "Yeah, but

like imagine your brand being associated

with some effed up AI video." And I I I

I feel like we're headed into

I feel like we're headed into a level of

like disconnection

from what we're seeing and assumption of

things not being real.

>> Absolutely. that I I don't know if like

brand association is even going to be a

thing anymore. I don't think if I don't

know if it's going to matter. I think if

everyone just assumes that everything's

fake,

>> Japan will care.

>> It's going to go the way of the

keyboards.

>> It'll go a lot faster than keyboards.

>> All right. All right. Let's do the

second one. I'm sorry. I'm just I just

thought this was I thought this was an

interesting conversation.

>> All right. So,

>> that's hilarious. Dan killed Dan killed

sir. Um

>> it's right here.

No, I mean, but I can't anymore. So, he

might have to go.

>> Oh, okay. Uh,

dead

>> ability to can is uh is no more for the

moment. Yeah, you can stay right there.

>> Okay, the next one.

>> So, yeah, apparently he said so people

can volunteer their likeness. Uh, and

there are some creators on here if you

want to look, but I fat fingered Mark

Cuban, which was a fun accident. That's

my little prompt there. And this one

says, "Lion, if you get this right,

that'd be amazing because it's not what

you think.

Okay,

>> Sammy,

>> are you are you ready?

>> Yeah. Play it.

>> Let's see.

>> That was so good. Perfect amount of

sauce. Cheers to whoever made this.

I will say I was pretty impressed at how

good that one was, actually. Not not at

at doing what the prompt said, but just

the the video itself was like

surprisingly good. I think they've

really trained on

>> Will Smith.

>> Yeah. I think they've really trained on

spaghetti.

>> No, no, that was my guess.

>> Oh, no.

>> Okay. Cuz like a kind of nerdy white guy

compared to like a cool, less white guy.

Seems like the opposite of Will Smith.

>> Who do Who do you think the the nerdy

white guy is?

>> Oh, can I see?

>> Do you want to play it again?

>> Sure.

>> Yeah, that slurp was unsettling. If you

can mute the audio, that'd be great.

Otherwise it's

>> Turn it up.

Why would you do that? Why would you Why

would you do that?

>> Cheers to whoever.

>> It's not a real slur.

>> It looks like a cross. It looks like a

cross between me and Austin Evans.

>> Watch it again. Watch it again. Play it

again.

>> Okay.

>> Play it again.

>> Okay. Sorry. I Okay. I actually need him

to listen to it, but not the slurp. So,

can you crank just when he's talking?

>> Yeah, I can. Okay.

>> Just Just play the slurp. I don't care.

over it.

>> That's so good. Perfect amount of sauce.

Cheers to whoever made this.

>> Oh, okay. So, it's supposed to be my

voice, I guess.

>> Okay. What if I told you it's not

supposed to be your voice, but everyone

immediately flagged it as supposed to be

your voice and just kind of done poorly.

But it's not it's also not supposed to

be you. Who do you think it is?

>> I don't know. Someone's name was put in

and your voice came out of it

cuz I thought this was kind of

fascinating.

This blew my mind. It's another dude.

>> I have I have no way of guessing this.

>> So, the prompt was Do I go for it?

>> Yeah, go for it.

>> Do you think he got it?

>> I don't.

>> Uh, no. I don't think so. The prompt was

Luke Lafren eating spaghetti

>> and my voice came out.

>> Your voice came out. So, I'll read the

prompt because this was this was my

theory, but I'll read the prompt. The

theory of why it sounded like Lionus is

every time uh every time I'm googling,

you appear. Sammy, what did you write?

>> Every time Sammy Googles Luke uh

>> if you Google me, you show up.

>> There you go.

I'm going to do this right now.

Cleaner.

I mean, sort of. The first four hits are

your Twitter profile, your LinkedIn,

your YouTube, and your Instagram.

>> People also search for you're always

number one. Um, the like second photo

that I see is you and me fail

fistbumping from forever ago.

>> What? Okay. My search does not find I

switched over to images and it is

literally I got shoot. Okay. This is

This is Is this Joel?

>> Yeah, it's it's my Twitter, but it's

Joel.

>> Yeah,

>> I know what picture you're talking

about.

>> I have Joel before I have you. My entire

front page not only does not contain any

pictures of me, but it doesn't even

contain any pictures of you and me.

>> What the heck? That's weird.

>> Not one. I'm going to send I'm going to

send this to you. I'm going to send this

to you right now because I feel like I'm

strange. I feel like I'm saying a thing

that people are

>> Okay. Well, I I've had this experience

before where when I when I Google myself

for whatever reason, uh it's pretty

common that that you or you know, Linus

Media Group or LTT or or something like

that comes up, right? So, I think it it

tried to grab whatever estimation it

could of my voice, but it had so much

more training of your voice that it just

made your voice. And then it doesn't

have very good training of what I look

like. So, it's just generic white dude

with a beard and it just it just sent

it.

>> Yeah,

>> dude. Even my second page only has me on

it twice and in both cases I am with

you.

In one case, I have my head on your

back.

>> Oh, no. That's what I mean. That's what

I mean. Like we we would be together. I

don't I don't mean it just comes up with

just you.

>> So, this is the first one you sent.

Where's Yeah. Yeah, that Joel one comes

up all the time for me.

>> That's a clean result.

>> That is actually and mine was the same.

I've done it before where where you

definitely came up. Weird.

>> Maybe something was going on at that

time.

>> And then this is the second one.

>> Oh wow.

>> Like we've got you and me. I think

that's the Scrapyard Wars fist bump or

something over on the right there. I

forget the context of that.

>> I forget. I remember that photo, but I

don't I I don't remember why.

I think it was specifically something to

do with Wayan Show, but I don't remember

what for.

That's I mean that's that's a decade

ago, so who knows?

>> Um, okay. Prompt number three.

>> Are you ready?

>> The Sammy's writing says, "Final prompt,

winner takes all, so focus up." Which is

true. He had no idea of knowing. He had

no way of knowing that would be true.

Uh, but that is true because it's it's

tied so far, I guess. Um, so yeah, Dan,

play it.

>> Hey, that's my homework. You just ate

it. So that's why I don't have the

paper. My laptop literally ate it last

night.

>> Your laptop ate it?

>> I know it sounds ridiculous, but I

filmed it. Teeth and everything.

>> That's a first.

>> Okay. So I Justine is involved.

>> Yeah.

>> So yeah. Uh,

>> you have to try to guess the Yeah. There

you go.

>> Why is the pig there?

>> Okay. I want to see it one more time.

Okay.

I think I can preemptively explain.

>> That's my homework. You just ate it. So

that's why I don't have the paper. My

laptop literally ate it last night.

>> Your laptop ate it.

>> I know it sounds ridiculous, but I

filmed it. Teeth and everything.

>> That's a first.

>> Actually, no. I won't explain the pig.

>> Okay. So, obviously

um the the prompt is going to involved

involve a student um explaining to their

teacher that their laptop ate their

homework.

Their teacher is I Justine. So okay okay

okay student

students

student students laptop eats their

homework

they

I I don't know I don't care

>> you did you got

>> I'm going to give you the dopamine for

that one

>> yeah I mean I think he got it um make a

realistic depiction of a computer eating

a student's and and then in brackets

Carter PC's homework. The student then

needs to explain to their teacher I

Justine.

Uh I think there was more text than

that, but it just ends there. Uh that's

Carter PC is a shorts creator. You don't

watch shorts stuff. All good. And then I

Justine, which you guessed makes sense.

Uh they both have their likeness in the

app, and it recreated both of them

>> quite well, just like it recreated Mark

Cuban quite well.

>> Um

>> um how did the pig figure into it? We're

pretty sure that that is I Justine's

inclusion thing.

>> Ah, you know how Mark Cuban had the the

link? We're pretty sure it's it's her

inclusion thing. I don't know what to

call that.

>> Um,

>> but I I think she she has one of those.

>> She does have a pig.

>> Yeah, she has a pig. Um, and it's it and

it only shows up when she's on screen.

It doesn't show up when Carter's on

screen. So, it like it it it's it's

probably that that's what that's what

our speculation is. Um,

yeah, we did more prompts. Some of them

are hilarious. Uh, in my opinion, my

favorite one is two weeks ago.

>> Uh, I made all my I made all my videos

have a pig in them. Haha. Two weeks ago.

>> Yeah, there you go.

>> Uh, so that makes sense. I didn't I

didn't know that that was like

officially true. I just it made a lot of

sense. Uh, but yeah, we we did a bunch

of stuff. It was with Riley. I was

hanging with Riley. We had a fun time.

There's a 40minute video of that on

lg.gg/flowplane.

Go check that out. It's fun. We make

some fun videos. We crash out about the

the doom and gloom of the future. It's

good stuff. Um, and yeah, thoughts of

I'd like vibecoded. Yeah, I mentioned

that the the app felt vibe coded because

the app was just so junk. There's a lot

of really bad user experience flows and

other weird stuff that happen when you

try to use it. It's It's not a very good

app. Um,

>> how about some good AI news?

>> Sure. Yeah.

>> YouTube's likeness detection tech has

officially launched.

>> They're rolling this out to eligible

creators in the YouTube partner program.

And the technology is designed to

prevent people from having their

likeness misused by identifying and

managing AI generated content featuring

the likeness of creators such as their

face and their voice.

This process does require providing a

photo ID and a brief selfie video. Um,

but with the tool, creators can view all

detected videos and submit a removal

request or they can make a copyright

request and they can opt out of using

the technology at any time and YouTube

will stop scanning for videos 24 hours

after they do so. Um, it's not perfect

obviously, but I've got to give Google

credit here for doing

something.

>> What is the agreement?

>> It's taken too long. It's taken too

long. Like Mr. Beast hawking, you know,

penis enlargement pills has been

happening for far too long with just AI

generated slop videos of Jimmy and stuff

like that. But this is

I this is something.

>> Yeah. I um h I was a big fan of this and

then hearing you say it out loud raised

some warning flags. You mentioned the

the process requires providing a photo

ID and a brief selfie video.

>> I don't really understand why they need

that. If you're a member of the partner

program

>> unless this is also giving them

permission to use it.

Well, I don't know if I don't know if

YouTube specifically has given me reason

to go that tinfoil hat.

>> They haven't for me either, but again,

why would they need it?

>> Um,

it might be easier to train off of. It

might be a standard duration thing or

something. Yeah, I mean we're working on

a deep fake thing right now for a video

that um they the labs team asked me like

even though there's obviously lots of

training data for me uh the labs team

asked me to like do this and do this and

like it it does make it easier.

>> Yeah. Um are you

>> and not every YouTuber is like me. Oh,

I'm going to do it 100%. Yeah.

>> Yeah. No question. I mean it's it's

>> something

Sora thing is like a hard obvious no. In

my opinion, this is a pretty obvious

yes. As as long as there isn't anything

super freaky in the in the terms of

service or whatever.

Um,

okay, cool. Thank you, YouTube. Uh,

coffee table book of iconic phones. Huh?

>> Yeah.

>> Uh,

>> you got to carry it from there. There

are no notes.

Oh okay.

Hold on. Let me just bring up my notes.

>> Okay,

>> there we go. Phone arena reached out.

Good lord. Uh, a minute ago. When when

when was this? Uh, back in

March. No, it must have been earlier

than that. Hold on. Phone arena. Check

my emails.

Wow. Oh, was it really only that long

ago? Okay. Well, uh, apparently it was

only in March. Wow, they turned this

around really fast. Anyway, Phone Arena

reached out because they wanted to do,

uh, like a table book of like iconic

phone designs. Uh, they didn't really

ask for much. They just asked like, you

know, hey, oh, in October of 2024, so a

year ago, um, they they were like, hey,

here's a brief outline of what we want

to do. We want to tell the story of some

of the most iconic phones, kind of

recreate their impact. Um, we have some

amazing other creators on board. Do you

have some time to chat? Um, I basically

said, "Yeah, I'm not like a huge design

nerd, but I did use some of the phones

that they had identified as like I

iconic, and I'd love to I'd love to

help, you know, in some way if I can."

and they basically said, "Uh, yeah, if

you could kind of tell us the story of

the phones you selected." Um, they asked

for just like short little quotes. It

took me a really, really embarrassingly

long time to get back to them. I feel

really bad about that. Sorry, Yavore.

Um, my bad. But uh they reached out um

earlier this month to say, "Hey,

pre-orders for the book are supposed to

be going live soon and um if you want

like a commission link or anything like

that, then we can do that." I basically

said, "I don't really uh I don't really

need the money that badly, so you guys

can do uh you can just kind of do your

thing." Um but I will but I'll be happy

to promote it anyway. And so that's

that's what we're doing. Uh there. Let

me just see if I can find the link.

D where where do I go? Sorry, I'm trying

to figure it out because I want to

actually I want to actually find the

link. Maybe it's just on the phone arena

website here. Let's have a look.

Uh Iconic Phones book news. Maybe I'm

going to try news. Uh oh. I really hope

Oh, here it is. Here it is. Here it is.

Sign up to get updates and an early bird

discount. Uh, I'll I'll link it.

I have no idea how much it costs. I

don't know what all else is in it. It

says it ships fall 2025.

And uh I it it involves uh quotes and

stories and insights from Austin Evans,

Brandon Butch, John Reinger, Lionus Tech

Tips, Max Tech, Mr. Who's the Boss,

SuperSaf, and Jerry Rig everything,

which I think I don't know. It's a

pretty cool little project. I just

thought it was neat. So, I wanted to

provide what little contribution I

could. Dan, if you don't mind copying

the link into the other spots. Um,

that's it. That's pretty much all I have

to say about that. Hopefully, it's uh

hopefully it's cool and you guys

appreciate the kind of the photography

and the the little quotes and stuff. And

it's uh table book for people who like

table books and also like phones.

Uh,

>> speaking of liking

things.

>> Sure. Yeah, good segue. Love it.

>> Okay, nice. I wasn't sure if you were

trying to say something or not. There's

a massive delay. Um, the What if Do you

like Doritos, Lionus?

>> Do I like Doritos?

>> Are you into Doritos?

>> Probably more than I should be. Um, do

you like I try not to eat them. I try

not to.

Oh,

>> okay.

>> Which one is it? I can't tell. Do you

like Doritos or guns?

You clearly like one of them.

>> That's wild, dude. I mean,

wow man.

What a terrifying experience that would

be to have

>> cuz it's effectively getting swatted. So

there there's a chance that you get

unalived because AI mistakes your

favorite snack as a firearm.

Fun fact.

>> Yeah. I mean, you never know when and

like you never know when a trigger happy

responding agent is gonna

>> somebody's gonna figure out how to

visually

hijack AIS, visually trick them into

thinking something's happening and make

this happen as a form of attack. I can

pretty much guarantee it hasn't happened

yet, but it will. I promise you. We

don't have a lot of notes here. It's

just rough.

Pugboy 1321 asks the real question here

in flow plane chat.

>> Would nobody check the footage first

before going in

armed? Like how much time do you have?

Is this a school shooting? Do you want

to spend time rewinding the tape and

looking for stuff?

>> Uh Willing Spy says apparently it was

more on the principal P A L. Um, it was

flagged by AI. Turned away by the person

in charge. The principal said, "Oh no,

call the cops."

Oh man.

>> Cops were footage.

There's a discussion question here with

no sources, no topics, no uh talking

points, etc. Should LMG become an ad

agency?

>> Oh, uh, let's save that for later.

>> All right, not talking about that. Uh,

Xbox wants

>> Okay, fine. We can just we can just do

it now. Colton Colton has discussed on

multiple occasions um farming out our

biz team essentially to other creators.

Do you think there's a like a value in

that?

>> Yes,

I know multiple that would want to join.

Turns out most people don't start making

YouTube videos about things that they're

extremely interested in, often

autistically interested in, uh, because

they want to do business things and they

would prefer those things are just

handled for them.

I don't know, maybe we just should then

because like I don't know going through

processes like like factory tours for

instance the perfect example of

something that

>> no conventional agency could possibly

understand.

>> But we have experience with all this

kind of stuff. You mentioned not even

that long ago that a uh a different form

of agency than the agency we would be

making mentioned that we are really nice

to work with because we like get it and

have been doing it forever. There is a

certain level of experience and

expertise that we can bring to the table

that some people need. Does everyone

need it? No. That's fine. But there are

people out there that would that would

love to work with us on this. And why

deny them? It's not like we have to

force anyone.

>> So, here's a question for you. Here's a

question for you, and it's one that I

don't know if it has a cut and dried

answer.

we have a pretty hard stance, for

instance, on um uh gambling ads, right?

So, what if we're working with a creator

that doesn't have a hard stance on

gambling ads and that's their that's

their personal compass, right? like I'm

um I'm I I'm I'm not I'm not generally

going to give people a hard time if they

need to need to make money and, you

know, that's uh that's within their sort

of bounds or whatever. I I don't I don't

like it. Um, but you know, in general,

I'm not going to just like go on stream

blasting other creators for working with

Better Help or working with, you know,

gambling or or or alcohol or whatever,

right? Tobacco and alcohol, like all the

stuff that we kind of have our lines on,

right? Um,

so

if that creator I if if a brand reaches

out to work with a creator that we

represent

and they're a brand that works in a

vertical that we choose not to be

involved in. Um, let's go with something

more I shouldn't say more socially

acceptable because gambling is perfectly

socially acceptable at this point.

alcohol

>> like functionally every adult that I

know consumes alcohol in some form or

another. So,

>> um

>> long range high five.

>> Yeah, we we Yeah. Oh, sorry. That's I

didn't mean we don't like you and me. I

wasn't I wasn't going for like a thing.

I just meant like um

>> but we don't generally advertise that.

Yeah.

>> Yeah. We don't work with alcohol

companies. Not not generally. Like we

just don't. And uh but like I don't I

don't have like a moral objection

to alcohol. Like I don't care. Other

people can drink alcohol. It's just not

interesting to me. And so um you know

where's the line? Because we've made a

decision as LMG not to profit from you

know alcohol, right?

But if this agency, if we start up this

agency, I don't think we'd be a very

good agency if we started inserting our

own values. Um, if we put our own values

in between a legal transaction between

two other parties. I mean, this is

something we've talked about

extensively.

>> Yeah. With like Mastercard and and Visa

and all those guys. In my opinion, and

I've said this on on uh W show like a

bajillion times to be honest, is

you know there's that whole there's no

ethical consumption under capitalism

thing. There's also there are too many

things to fight for. Um and

like I have my things that I will and

won't do. Um which I think makes the

world better or I I vote with my wallet

in certain ways, but I don't necessarily

expect other people to do the same. And

I generally assume that they have their

own versions of that which might be a

little bit different than mine. So you

say no to gambling. Someone else might

say no to animal products. Um

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I I admit I love animals and I use

>> animal products and eat animals without

really even thinking about it.

>> Yeah. So, like

>> I will say, dude, I was I was at the

mall last night and they had dog they

had puppies in cages and I was like my

heart was breaking. So, I have my animal

lions too. I I'm so glad that that's

illegal in Canada now. Um

>> yeah. Anyway, sorry. Carry Uh but like

what I'm saying is it's it's

I don't think in in I deeply respect

that we set our own lines and I expect

that they would set their own lines and

in this case I don't think it's our

place really to decide where their lines

are for them. Um that's that's how I

would personally try to approach it. Um,

there are potentially certain things

that could be just hard nose.

Um,

I don't know that I even want to discuss

those right now,

>> but there there might be certain things

where it's just like that's just

actually deplorable for

>> anyone at any point, any time. Um I mean

we've talked about uh we've talked about

like on float plane for instance you

know if there if we ever were approached

by like an adult creator for instance um

we have firearms creators on float plane

and that's something that I know can be

a very polarizing

>> uh topic and

>> but it's because we're trying to be a

platform right like it's a it's a

>> it's a different thing

>> but I is it like hold on a second cuz if

we are

>> No I'm not saying it's a different thing

than the business thing. I I'm saying

it's kind of the same thing as business

thing. I'm saying it's a it's a

different thing than us doing it

ourselves.

>> Um Yeah.

>> Yeah. Like it's uh and we you and I when

when we talked about it, what we

basically settled on is if it is legal

in the jurisdictions of everyone

involved, it's not our place to

um to make a moral judgment on the the

content of another content creator. And

I I think this is something that um you

know any normal company would never talk

about this on a live stream. Like that's

the thing that I think a lot of people

in the chat right now

>> and we're going to get crap for it. We

will get crap for this. I promise

>> is that if we if we decide you know to

go forward with this with you know this

sort of agency work or whatever else um

if we didn't talk about it today you

would never have noticed like name a

single advertising agency that Lionus

Media Group has ever worked with you

can't because you don't know you have no

way of knowing you know that we've

worked with Max Borges for instance you

just would have no way of knowing that

the agency see, has nothing to do with

the the finished product um that you're

ultimately going to see on your screen

on, you know, some other creators

uh video, right? Like it just it doesn't

work like that. Um I just thought it was

a very interesting conversation and it's

something that um you know I was

chatting with Colton about. It's

something that I've talked to Taran

about. It's something that I wanted to

talk to you about and this kind of gives

me an opportunity in a forum like this

where people can kind of see the thought

processes and they can they can get some

insight into how you know how we operate

as a business and how businesses and

creators operate more broadly. Um,

so the agency would work with us and we

would have our own lines. And it sounds

like what you're saying is basically

um,

you know, at the end of the day, what's

legal is not up to the platform to

decide, which is a position that we've

advocated for publicly. Yeah. Multiple

times. And and I really do see that

>> put your money where your mouth is to a

certain degree.

>> I see I see the game platform

um credit card processing

arguments

very similarly. But I will say that like

>> here's a

>> like the reason it Yeah.

>> Can I be edgy for a sec?

>> You can be as edgy as you want. I mean

it's your uh

>> it's your funeral, right?

>> What if it's

>> Viking funeral specifically?

>> What you have you have children?

What if it's a

What if you know you know how there was

like uh Man, what was that game?

>> Is it weird that I'd want to be the one

that hits the boat?

>> Like I would be trying really hard.

>> I suspect you all would be which is like

part of why it's so sick.

Uh anyways,

>> sorry I got off topic a little bit.

>> Uh

>> like it's nothing personal, man. Like I

don't you know

>> No, that's dope. That's that's like the

whole point. I I don't even take that

negatively. That's freaking sick. I

didn't even think of taking that

negatively to be honest until you said

it's nothing personal. Um,

>> okay. So, remember Raid: Shadow Legends

was like an ad for freaking everyone all

the time, everywhere for years. It might

even still be. Um, what if there was

like a lolly game?

>> Are they a thousand years old?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. They're like

10,000y old space goddesses or

something.

>> Might have to deal with this

>> because what I'm saying is there might

still be lines

but they might be pretty far out there.

>> And like where the hell do you draw this

line? Like the first thing people

started talking about in float plane

chat is Genchin.

>> Like no. Yeah, I would take an ad for

Genchin Impact. Like but are there

absolutely scantily clad

ladies that you have to justify as being

a thousand years old? Probably. I

actually don't. I've not I've not played

Genchin Impact. It's the first thing

people said.

>> I haven't heard of it as I haven't

played it either, but I haven't heard of

it as one of those types of games. Um,

the scantily cladness. Yeah, but the

them being looking like youngans.

Oh. Uh, well, that one's not scantily

clad though.

>> In the cover art. I'm going to bring up

the cover art. In the cover art, there

are scantily clad ones, but this one's

not scantily clad.

>> Yeah. Hold on here. Here's a Reddit

thread. Dan, do you want to throw this

up?

Not scantily clad, fortunately, which is

the only reason that I'm willing to put

this on stream. Uh, but definitely

young.

>> Yeah, but if they're like, who cares if

they're not scantily clad, right? I

think

maybe.

>> I mean,

>> I don't know what you do in the game.

>> There's all kinds of ways to sexualize.

>> Romance in the game.

>> I don't know. I've literally I've never

played

icky.

Yeah,

definitely icky. Definitely legal. Um,

there's apparently no romance in the

game.

>> Okay,

>> helps a little bit.

>> That's not a negative.

>> Here's the question, though. Here's the

question though because as soon as we

start to make a judgment

>> on Genshin

>> then we've drawn our line.

>> Uhhuh.

>> But as a platform it's not about our

line.

>> It's legals legal lines.

>> Yeah. Because as soon as you take a

stance now it's a conversation every

single time.

>> Yep. So I think you kind of have to say

like we are we don't think this you know

it let's assume the thing we're forget

Genchin forget whatever else let's

assume the thing that we're talking

about is something that we strongly

oppose

>> we we could say

>> let's just go with gambling sure

>> let's go with gambling

>> and we do that right so we we could say

on our platforms and do often that we

don't like gambling and we don't think

it should be able to be

>> promoted voted in the way that it is at

the very least.

>> Yeah. I mean, time and place for

everything. If you and the boys want to

have a poker night or whatever, far be

it from me to be involved in that. The

fact that used to be illegal is wild.

>> I agree. And I've I've said before that

I actually I really respect uh John

Martin's form of gambling because he

knew that he had the potential to go too

far. So would bring a fixed amount of

money. And he would bring a fixed amount

of money that could afford him. It would

be equivalent of going to like dinner in

a show, right? Movie and dinner. and

he'd get dinner.

>> Probably the the healthiest relationship

with gambling out of any person I've

ever met.

>> I saw literally zero issue with it. And

I'm traditionally a person who dislikes

gambling because when I worked at the

bread factory, dudes would get their

checks, go blow the entire check, and

not be able to make rent and be be

homeless when they made enough money to

not be homeless because they'd blow it

all at the casino, which was

>> moderation. Yeah. Um but but there's a

lot of people that can't moderate

themselves when it comes to gambling. So

that's where the problems are. And my

main issues with it is how it's

advertised and yada yada yada yada yada

yada. But we can talk about that on here

and we could talk about how we don't

like these other things. But when you

are the

when we're making these decisions for

other people, we are effectively

deciding law for them. And I don't think

that's our place.

>> Okay. Well, I'll take that perspective.

Um, I'll take the

um

I'll take the perspective of chat. There

were some really good comments from

chat. I think some of them

>> don't take this the wrong way, guys. I

think some of them were a little

unrealistic. Um, this is

>> in this world is it's it's going to be

pretty difficult for you to survive

without interacting with any company

that does things you disagree with. Um,

>> yeah. And is that just sort of a defeist

crappy attitude? Sure.

>> I would bet hard cash that you are doing

that right now. And I don't even mean by

talking to us. I mean the fact that this

stream if you're watching on Twitch

>> uh is part of Amazon.

>> This stream if you're if you're watching

on YouTube is part of Google.

>> Every both of those companies are

partnered with like thousands and

thousands of other companies. Like you

you can't you can't necessarily get away

from this stuff. It is it is deeply

intertwined. Do you have literally

anything in your house from Nestle?

Likely.

Um do you even know because there's all

the like sub companies and all that kind

of stuff.

>> I got caught with cat food. I didn't

even know they made cat food.

>> I would have had no idea.

>> Yes. Really? You told Yeah, you've told

me about that. Yeah.

>> Bonkers.

>> Um DJ Spark had a good had a good

comment though. you know, so long as it

isn't illegal, we're willing to talk,

but we won't force our staff to to to

work with a company for you. So, if no

one on staff wants to touch it, you

might have to look elsewhere for that

particular production. I think that's a

fair a fair stance. You know,

>> sounds pretty good.

>> I kind of like that. I dig that.

>> Like, I think

>> I think there's ways that

>> I think there's ways that we can be be

more cool about it.

>> We have precedents for that. When we

were talking, we at one point in time,

we were talking to an adult creator

about joining Flowplane

>> and they were they were pretty close to

joining and I had a talk with all my

staff at the time and was like, if you

don't want to interact or deal with

their content at all, we'll find a way

to make sure that you don't have to.

>> How do we sequester? How do we cloister

this away?

>> Yeah.

>> Um, and it was interesting news

>> figured out.

>> Oh, go ahead.

>> That's that's it. Basically,

>> I my pickup is in 15 minutes. Okay.

>> Um, whoops.

>> Should we blast merch messages?

>> Uh, we should probably get through.

Well, okay. The Prima rice size bionic

eye implant looks really cool. Um,

roughly

200 roughly 22 million people in the

United States have uh age- related

macular degeneration which can affect

your vision. The device is 2 millime

square and can be placed beneath the

retina during a 2-hour procedure. After

a month of healing, it can be activated

and wirelessly connects to a video

camera mounted on augmented reality

glasses that sends visual data to a tiny

processor that uses AI to convert images

to infrared patterns and can apparently

significantly restore vision in more

than 80% of 38 trial participants. Um,

incredible

>> wanted to highlight that. Absolutely.

That's there's some good news tech. And

in other news, Xbox wants all your

money. This is a follow-up on the recent

LT video. Um, Microsoft execs apparently

have demanded 30% margin from the Xbox

department. So, that's uh 2x the

industry average apparently. Devkits

just got a 33% price increase. Uh, the

ROG Xbox Ally X apparently runs better

with Linux or I don't know if it's the X

or the nonX, but whatever. And Halo's

apparently coming to PS5. Uh, good luck

Xbox. Um, wish you the best.

>> Uh, it's been a great uh let's try. Do

you want to hit me with a couple merch

messages before I have to go? I wonder

if there's a way for me to like I wonder

if there's a way for me to like carry

this around with me or something while I

pack cuz I have not packed. Like

>> I intentionally tilted this up.

>> Um

so like this place is kind of a disaster

area right now. You can't really see

like my mess over there.

>> You can oneand it. I believe in you. You

can oneand it.

>> Let's just uh let's just blast through

some of these then.

>> I'm a little tethered to things. You

know,

>> speaking of tethered, are the new cables

going to be catresistant? And when's the

messenger bag coming?

>> Uh, they will not be braided. And from

my experience, that's the main issue.

That's going to be a huge thing. Cables.

>> Are you planning to use the GPD Win 5?

Oh, yeah. Messenger bag. Is that coming?

>> Uh, messenger bag. I Are we working on a

messenger bag right now? That's a good

question for Matthew. Do you mind? Do

you want to forward that to Matthew or

is too is it too late to forward it if

if you've already curated it?

>> Uh, yeah. It's probably a bit too late

now. I know there's people internally

that are pushing hard for a messenger

style bag

>> 930. I will make sure that they're aware

of that.

>> Um, are you planning to use the GPD Win

5, the new game console thing? Um,

>> we have one.

>> I'm still I'm still traveling with my

ally. Actually got my OG Ally right

there with the upgraded battery. I

haven't actually moved to the X. I Man,

I'm really 50/50 on the Erggo. It's

really great for certain situations, but

it's really

not what I'm used to and I'm very

comfortable on the ally and I don't need

the extra performance right now. I'm

playing Final Fantasy Tactics, so like

>> Okay,

>> whatever.

>> Good lead. How is Final Fantasy Tactics?

And uh are Luke and Dan going to play

it?

>> Uh wait, hold on. Win five. Yes, I'm

going to I'm going to get it. And yes,

Luke should play it. Ah, maybe not. I

don't know. It's not for everyone.

>> I suspect I would like it actually, but

it's very expensive right now. I'm

waiting for a discount.

>> Oh yeah,

>> I have a lot of cued games in front of

it. So, I'm in I'm in no need of a game

right now. I can't even I haven't been

able to play games in like two months.

So, like literally at all.

>> Literally wrecked.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm a proud father of a Yeah.

And wrists.

>> I'm a proud father um of a one-month old

girl. What's the first video game you

played with your firstborn, Lionus? And

uh have you heard of the Edison Motor uh

now doing a hybrid big rig?

>> Yeah, that was my face. That's super

cool.

>> Awesome.

>> That's a good idea.

>> They're in BC.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Hell yeah.

>> I still want to do a video with them. We

got to get that going.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

first game I played with my kids. Uh

>> Doom Doom Eternal.

>> Yeah, definitely not that. The first one

I remember playing with my firstborn,

like not just him sitting in my lap

while I played, the first one I remember

playing with him was uh Towerfall.

>> That's funny cuz that's the first one I

remember playing with him.

>> Yeah, that was fun. Like that was uh

that was a lot of fun playing with you

guys.

>> Yeah.

>> What's up? Uh Lionus, you talked ages

ago about making more tools for the Ltd

brand, even if they're not innovative.

As we want LDTD branded tools, any

updates?

We're working on it. We're we're we're

building a supplier network. We're

building better processes for bringing

products to market in a more timely

fashion. Um the engineering team is hard

at work on many many projects and um I

see no reason why we couldn't become

actually hold on. Uh I see no reason why

we couldn't become a tool brand. Um I

think they I think we're learning a lot.

We've made some we've made some

mistakes. the um

I think we're but yeah, no, I think

we've learned a lot and I think that we

can apply what we've learned to um

a lot of different categories of tool

and make something that's just like

really really great and not outlandishly

priced with great support. I think the

support is a really key part of it, the

trust me bro guarantee. And I think over

time as people's memories of how mad

they were about me saying that fade

because we've put our money where our

mouth is, that may be branding that we

even lean into more and more over time

is I told you guys to trust me, bro. And

the ones who did are feeling pretty good

about it at this point. And let's keep

that train going.

>> Are we for time?

>> Uh, I like really need to go. If there's

any more that specifically address me,

then great. Probably nothing directly. I

was trying to um Yeah, I was probably

not going to get through these. We

should be good.

>> Okay, I might have to go. So, uh Wait,

are we cutting? Are is that the end of

the show then?

>> I I don't know how you want to handle

that. There's some for Luke.

>> If a Luke If a Luke buys in the forest

and I don't hear it, does the Wan show

end?

>> Yes, he is the one that ends the show. I

had to end it. Fair enough. Before the

show started because he said bye to

somebody.

>> Oh, what? Luke, why would you do this?

>> I'm sorry.

>> Okay. Okay. We'll see you again next

week then. Same bad time. Same bad

channel.

>> Don't do it. See you.

>> Wait. Oh, is it not over? Oh, okay.

>> Well, I'm assuming I'm finishing merch

messages right?

>> Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

Okay. Okay. Bye.

>> We can't leave them hanging, but yeah.

See you.

>> Okay. He almost said it.

>> I almost said it. I almost I feel like

he baited me, but he

>> He did. He did. He did. Now I got to

like cut him out as well. And I also

didn't set it to when After Dark. It's

also frantic.

>> Uh, we're fine.

>> That button.

>> Luke Cam doesn't have Linus in it.

>> But your chair is

>> You know this frame right here, which is

Lionus's A+ certification, has like

three spiders living behind it.

just giant.

>> I need a new vacuum. There's rat stuff

everywhere here, too. Even though I'm

surrounded by traps.

>> I was I was stuck. I I had to take a

meeting and I was I I couldn't get over

to the labs, which is where my desk is.

Uh desks, I guess. It was weird. But

anyways, um I couldn't get over there in

time, so I just ran over to the WAN set

and took it here because I was like,

"This will probably be free."

>> Um and I ran into so many spiders and

two different mice. That's great.

>> I was like, it's very lively here when

we're not around.

>> I feel like they know like Fridays to

just like

>> just leave. Yeah. Yeah. Disgusting.

>> Don't come out.

>> All right. Questions for Luke.

>> How is the new build of the store

coming? Building a custom theme or based

off Horizon? Would love to see the

behind some scenes of that process after

it goes live.

>> It's still a little bit up in the air.

Horizon.

That is that a specific theme? Shopify

>> sounds about right.

>> I don't think we're currently planning

on Horizon. Um there are a few different

ones we're looking at. We're working

with an agency. Things are kind of I

don't know. Uh we're a big company now

doing big company stuff. Uh but yeah,

things are not currently set in stone.

Yeah, but it's coming. Question for the

two L's. Well, there's only one now. In

your opinion, what is the dumbest thing

the other has ever done? Uh, Lionus

doesn't get to defend himself now. Yeah.

As an arbiter of the talent, which is

the dumbest of all. Lionus would

top of mind for Lionus, I think he would

say

the the pizza heater, but I think

there's probably something deeper than

that that he'd he'd rip me for.

Uh

for him,

this is spicy.

Um it's either his just like stupid take

on the backpack warranty stuff or it's

the forum response to Steve.

>> I mean,

>> it's one of those two.

>> I mean, sure.

>> Um Yeah. And I think I win this one. So,

moving on.

>> Yeah, you do. Uh Luke, thoughts on the

community effort to run the big screen

beyond 2 on Linux. Really glad to not

have to dual boot. Also, thanks for

bringing undies back of course mere days

after I bought some from Ludvig. I had

no idea about the big screen beyond 2 on

Linux thing. That sounds amazing. I

would be really happy if they got that

going. Um I have still not been able to

use it because my house is uh broken

effectively. still waiting for you to

use it so that I know if I should spend

the

>> Oh, you can borrow it.

>> effort.

>> Borrow it.

>> Oh, yeah. Okay.

>> Do it. Yeah. I literally can't use it.

You

>> I mean, sure.

>> You might as well.

>> I'd have to bring my sim rig out again,

but like

>> Yeah, sure.

>> I mean, you could hook it up here.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I guess if

>> you really wanted

>> I think that I mean, we have one here

that I could play with as well.

>> Fair enough.

>> But it's just like

>> Yeah, you can like actually take mine

home for a bit if you want. Like, it's

it's not going to be super soon that I'd

be able to use it. So, I'm sorry to hear

that.

>> Yeah, but I mean, you might as well

profit

>> or not if I like it. That's the major

concern.

>> Loss. Yeah. I mean, is it really, man?

I'm really excited. I think it'll be

really cool.

>> I was so excited for the first one to

come out and then I procrastinated

because I'm like that and now there's a

second one. So, I think I'll probably

just get that one.

>> I saw the first one and was like pretty

confident that they were going to

survive to make a second one and I was

like, I feel like the second one's going

to be kind of a banger. and I waited and

I'm I'm happy with my planning on that.

>> Hello, first- time Merch Messenger,

longtime viewer. I was wanting to know

if Luke has read the Stormlight Archive.

I think he would really enjoy it.

>> Uh, I'm pretty sure, let me look this up

really quick. Stormlight Archive. I'm

pretty sure this is on Oh, Brandon

Sanderson.

No, but this is on my list of things to

read. Brandon Sanderson is awesome. Um,

I have a massive backlog of

uh Nerd Forge has a video on this. What?

>> What? We made massive versions of the

Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson.

>> That's so cool.

>> That's really cool.

They're so cool. Nerd Forge is cool.

Anyways, yeah, I will read those at some

point. That will actually happen. My

like reading list is not something that

just lasts forever and never ever moves

forward. Um it moves forward slowly

because I read slowly but uh it does

move. It does move. So I am certain I

will read it eventually.

>> One of them reached out to maybe do a

game jam one of these days which I think

would be a lot of fun.

>> Huh?

>> Uh one of the Nerd Forge.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah. That would be incredible. I didn't

even know they did that.

>> Me neither.

>> That's so cool.

>> But yeah.

>> Terrified. Hi. Yeah, I know. Hell yeah.

>> That sounds amazing.

>> Hi, Lionus Touque and Tan. Uh, given the

upcoming techpopamine dis uh disrect

pipeline direct pipeline, sorry, the

words are split. Um, what steps do you

think we can take as a society to

prevent more phone addiction, more

antisocial behavior?

It's tough. It's tough because it's so

easy, which is the problem. Promote

within your friend group and your

relationships uninstalling certain apps.

Um promote

having like timers on your stuff. Um,

>> and try to Yeah. And try to like build

habits where you aren't on your phone.

Like I had um some really good old

buddies of mine. We had a game night not

that long ago uh where we played the

Slayless Spire board game, which is

incredibly good by the way, like

masterful board game, one of the best

board games ever played. And it's

four-player co-op, and it was fantastic.

And no one was ever on their phones the

whole time. And it just like felt cool.

Everyone was very present. So, if you

build this like this like culture within

your group of the people that you're

spending time with are not just on their

phones all the time, it's good. And I

have found myself being not good at this

before pretty often to be clear. U and

it's something that I'm currently

actively working on. Um, but yeah,

support others in working on it and work

on it yourself and just try to be the

the brightness you want to see in the

world.

>> That isn't your phone screen.

>> Have you heard of Arc Raiders?

>> Y,

>> that sounds positive.

>> Yeah, I played the beta and it was

freaking sick. The Okay, the the problem

that I have, the mechanics feel great.

the the droid things. I don't know what

they're actually called, the robots in

the in the game. People want them to be

nerfed. I strongly disagree. I think

those need to be terrifying. And

>> oh, this is wild the way they are. Yeah,

>> I saw some early builds of this. It

looks amazing. I was like, uh,

>> so good.

>> New H, but then third person and like it

looks super fun.

>> It It I had a blast.

>> It's like semi PvE, right?

Sammy, it's still it's still definitely

PvP, but you can

play a good match without interacting

with people, but that's also true with

Tarov.

>> Yeah, of course.

>> So, if you consider Tarov semi-PVP,

which I don't think people would. I

think they would just consider it PvP.

Um, then it's effectively the same. My

one issue with it, and I have not played

since their last beta, well, I guess

it's

coming out Thursday. Do they mean next

Thursday?

>> Whatever. I don't have a computer right

now that like works.

So, uh I have not been in the loop, but

uh yeah, single player Karov. Okay,

fine. Fair enough. Um but I I don't

suspect I'm going to play this on

launch. I haven't been able to play

Battlefield 6. I'm a little behind right

now. But the problem that I had in the

beta was that the loop didn't feel great

when you were in the game.

Things the mechanically felt fantastic.

The movement felt really good. A lot of

the guns felt really good. Um the the

combat both with with droid things and

and clankers and humans was was was

quite good. The balance of things seemed

pretty good. Um but the looting kind of

sucked and the why do I care was pretty

extremely lacking. Um what is the point

in Tarov? It's pretty obvious. um why

you're doing what you're doing. The

story line is there. The story line of

Tarov, despite being

no one ever reads any of the tasks and

all that kind of stuff, the story line

is very straightforward. You're stuck in

this like quarantine zone. Um you're

fighting to survive and you need to try

to get out. So, you're gathering

survival supplies which include like all

these little tiny micro gun bits and

attachments and stuff. in Arc Raiders.

It's like I got the the blue hand grip.

That's awesome. I'm excited. I can't

wait till I get the purple hand grip,

which is better. And it's just it's very

boring and feels empty in regards to the

looting and the progression. Um, so I

hope they figure that out. And I don't

think I'm the only one that feels that

way. So, uh, yeah, but the feel and

stuff is like fantastic. And I do

suspect that they can figure out the

story stuff. So hopefully they do.

>> Hi Dan, Luke and Lionus. Well, just us

two, I guess. You've spoken previously

about contacting Wendell for help with

complex technical pro topics. Yeah, he's

our tech support. What's the most

obscure technical knowledge Wendell has

provided that impressed you?

>> Oh, who does Wendell go to?

>> Steve Ben

>> himself.

>> Just go to

>> his conscious asks himself questions

>> and he answers it. Lionus, sorry, Linus.

How do how do Linux work?

>> Yeah.

>> And he just shrugs, says, "Oh, let me

call Wendell." And then pauses and looks

at his phone and then has a little cry.

I feel like it's like an animated short.

For some reason, I just watched that all

happen. Yes. Yes, I am. I am a creative.

That was fantastic.

>> Uh, most obscure technical knowledge,

dude. I don't know. It's just constant

with him. One of the just I'm just gonna

glaze the crap out of Wendle. One of the

one of the coolest things about hanging

out with Wendle is that

you like feel dumb because he's so

smart, but then he doesn't make you feel

dumb. Does that make any sense? I sound

dumb just saying that.

>> Uh it's it's less I don't think talking

to Wendell you feel dumb. I think when

you talk to Wendle, it's like, hey, I

don't have this knowledge. Yeah.

>> And then he's like,

>> yeah, that's a good way of saying it.

>> Here's the knowledge. And you're like,

thanks Wendle.

>> Come along this interesting journey.

>> I have learned.

>> Yeah. And he wants to

>> And he's also interested in learning

things himself.

>> Yeah.

>> And he's just I don't know. He's just

such a wholesome,

>> positive dudeing, a source of reason in

the world where there are few.

>> Um, Wendle's great.

And last one I've got. Um, this one's I

think mostly for you. How would you like

to see a tape tape and Shorzy crossover?

Certainly think it would be a fruitful

collab.

>> A fruitful collab. I think it would be

fantastic. I've mentioned this on W show

before. My the reason why I mentioned is

because Shorsy has their own hockey

game.

And while it is in early access, I did

not enjoy it so much that I played for

like I think 15 20 minutes and then alt

F forward and never looked back. And

we'll wait for the full release release

and then try again for sure. But I

really wish they just collaborated with

tape to tape and made like a team in

tape to tape or something or like an

alternate campaign that was like shory

based. That would be sick. Um

I I I think two incredibly small indie

games both being hockey games is a lot

to ask, especially with them both being

early access at the same time. guys.

Come on. Um,

but hey, if it's good, sick. Sounds

good. I bought it cuz I wanted to

support Shy because I I freaking love

that show. It's fantastic. Um, but yeah,

wasn't uh my happiest game purchase

ever. Again, it's early access. Can't

judge it too hard. But yeah,

and that's all I got. That's it.

Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye.

Heat.