Behringer JN 80 vs Deepmind 12 comparison

Hey, hello. Hope you're doing well. Today I want to talk about the Beeringer JN80 and the Beeringer Deep Mind 12 and compare the core features of both of

them. A few of you who have seen my other videos about the JN80. I made some

them. A few of you who have seen my other videos about the JN80. I made some demos so far. Um, have asked if I had a chance to compare it with the Deep Mind

12 and I totally slept on this one. So, I never played one before. Yeah, there

was a possibility to get a betock unit which I bought and yeah, just played for the first time a few days ago and so I thought it might be interesting to uh

compare. Maybe it seems like that it doesn't make sense to compare these both

compare. Maybe it seems like that it doesn't make sense to compare these both because um they are not really similar in a way but they are in a similar price

range and both are inspired by the Roland Juno line of synths from back in the 80s. JN80 is more inspired by a Juno 60 and I heard the Deep Mind 12 was

the 80s. JN80 is more inspired by a Juno 60 and I heard the Deep Mind 12 was inspired from a Juno 106 which are a bit different um if you compare the

originals. So they are not exactly the same but they share a lot of the same

originals. So they are not exactly the same but they share a lot of the same features and same goes for the JN0 and the DeepMind 12. They share a lot of the same features, but the DeepMan 12 obviously is far more advanced. So, it

has way more possibilities. It has a modulation matrix. It has built-in effects. You can use four effects, which is a lot. Uh, it has two LFOs. It has

effects. You can use four effects, which is a lot. Uh, it has two LFOs. It has

three envelopes, whereas the JN80 only has one envelope, which is for the VCA and for the VCF, and that's it. Then it has just one LFO with an enhanced

feature set compared to an original Juno 60, but still it's not really as capable as the DeepMind 12. And yeah, and last but not least, the DeepMind 12 has 12

voices polyhony and the JN80 only has eight. Let's dive right into it at a fresh start. So on both U synthesizers, I will just initialize a patch. Okay, on

fresh start. So on both U synthesizers, I will just initialize a patch. Okay, on

the JN80, um, we only have the sawtooth activated now. It's just a simple sawtooth preset. [snorts] Filter is fully open. Uh, let's do the same for

sawtooth preset. [snorts] Filter is fully open. Uh, let's do the same for the Deep Mind 12 now. Yeah, just have a simple [music] sawtooth.

[music] Let's put him roughly the same level.

Okay. Sawtooth on the deep mind 12 [music] and on the J80. [music]

[music] [music] Yeah. Now, what I'm noticing, um, the JN80 sounds a a little bit brighter and,

Yeah. Now, what I'm noticing, um, the JN80 sounds a a little bit brighter and, um, I think there are different modes in the deep 12 for the VCA. So, let's try a

different one. The edit mode. Yeah, VCOM mode is set to transparent here. So, if

different one. The edit mode. Yeah, VCOM mode is set to transparent here. So, if

we set this to what is it? Ballsy. Let's see how this compares. [music]

Okay. So, it's a bit louder. So, let's turn it down a bit. [music]

[music] [music] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Okay. So, that was the sawtooth. Now, let's check

>> Okay. So, that was the sawtooth. Now, let's check out the um pulse wave here. [music]

Let's see. I think the levels are not right. Yeah. I mean it's hard to compare because uh they are behaving so differently. [music]

[music] Okay. And now let's check out the sub oscillator. Um

Okay. And now let's check out the sub oscillator. Um

[music] on the deep mind 12 we can use oscillator 2 uh as a subosscillator. So

let's do that. level up and pitch minus 12.

[music] Now you see the sub oscillator is a bit louder here.

[music] [music] [music] [music] So you see the levels are not quite the same. So it's really hard to compare and I don't know how much sense it really

same. So it's really hard to compare and I don't know how much sense it really makes to yeah go so much in detail with these single um waveforms. I mean, one thing I instantly notice really is the level

difference, but also if I activate now sawtooth and uh square as a sub oscillator on deep mind 12 [music] and do the same here.

[music] [music] >> [music] [music] >> Yeah. One thing I noticed is that not each voice is the same. Before I started recording, I made sure that both warmed

up for an hour and then I ran the calibration on both devices. That's also

a pretty funny detail. I mean on the JN80 it takes about 30 seconds to run a full calibration. On the DeepMind 12 it took me about 1 hour which is not a

full calibration. On the DeepMind 12 it took me about 1 hour which is not a joke. But even fully calibrated the phase relation between I mean the sub

joke. But even fully calibrated the phase relation between I mean the sub oscillator and the main oscillator here the oscillator one is not quite the same as on the JN here. It's really coming together. So each voice [music]

you see it's counting through.

So you hear each of the eight voices and they are all similar. Uh on the deep mind 12 [music] you see like voice four it's really bad. It's really not so bad but it's

different. So the face relation next one is good. [music]

different. So the face relation next one is good. [music]

Voice one sounds a bit different.

[music] Yeah. And it's always the same voice. So

um it's not quite the same as the JN80. Also um in the stereo field sometimes one VCA on one side is a bit quicker than on the other. So it shifts um the stereo uh field in the beginning of a sound in

the attack phase a little bit on the deep mind 12 um which might people or some people might like because it makes it a bit more vintage or uh let's say

lively than the JN80. Um but yeah, this is like the biggest difference between these two. Um yeah, let's just play through these combinations again.

these two. Um yeah, let's just play through these combinations again.

[music] [music] [music] >> [music] >> Now let's listen to the um square wave again and some PWM.

Yeah, on the JN80 you can vary the pulse width between 50 and maybe 10% or so.

>> [music] >> Yeah, on the deep mind 12 the um pulse width gets a bit more narrow. [music]

See?

Yeah. So the value here is 236. [snorts] At this range they are both um more or less similar.

Yeah. Again um despite the uh long calibration the pulse width is not identical on every oscillator. That's just a little detail for the deep mind

12. Um let's see how does um pulse with modulation sound. Let's compare.

12. Um let's see how does um pulse with modulation sound. Let's compare.

[music] [music] [music] Yeah. Here you can set it to LFO. [music]

Yeah. Here you can set it to LFO. [music]

>> [music] >> Yeah. Let's turn this fully up here.

>> Yeah. Let's turn this fully up here.

And on the Deep Mind 12.

Yeah. On the Deep Mind 12 it goes wider. The modulation goes deeper. So you can go um through zero here.

Yeah. Again, it's louder on the JN80. Turn this up a bit here.

>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Yeah. Um, let's try this together with the sub oscillator.

>> Yeah. Um, let's try this together with the sub oscillator.

Let's turn this up and pitch 12 down. Wow. Okay. Pitch mode needs to turn down. [music]

down. [music] Yeah. Now the deep man 12 is louder again. [music] So, I need to turn it

Yeah. Now the deep man 12 is louder again. [music] So, I need to turn it down a bit.

[music] [music] Yeah. But I think what's very obvious here, the pulse um is much louder on the

Yeah. But I think what's very obvious here, the pulse um is much louder on the Binger JN80 than it is here. [music] Or you could say the sub oscillator is

louder on this one.

[music] And again the phase relation between the oscillators um are quite different.

[music] [music] >> [music] >> Yeah. So, I'm not sure, but um it's not exactly the same. Now, let's check out

>> Yeah. So, I'm not sure, but um it's not exactly the same. Now, let's check out the filter. Let's have a listen at the VCF filtering a sawtooth without

the filter. Let's have a listen at the VCF filtering a sawtooth without resonance. [music]

resonance. [music] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music]

>> Yeah. The first thing I'm noticing is that the VCF frequency never goes below

>> Yeah. The first thing I'm noticing is that the VCF frequency never goes below 50 Hz. Um maybe I can set it in the menu. I didn't check. But by default, um

50 Hz. Um maybe I can set it in the menu. I didn't check. But by default, um yeah, the minimum frequency of the VCF is higher than on the JN80 here. You can

really mute the sound completely.

[music] Yeah, on this one you can hear it quietly bleed through. Now at 50% resonance.

Let's set both.

[music] >> [music] [music] >> Yeah. One thing I'm noticing is that if I turn up the resonance on the Deep Mind

>> Yeah. One thing I'm noticing is that if I turn up the resonance on the Deep Mind 12, um, it's losing a lot of volume on the sound. Um, on the JN80 it's a bit

more stable, so it doesn't lose quite uh um this amount of level. Yeah. But now

let's go to 75% maybe. [music]

[music] Yeah, the resonance is quite strong on this one. Let's try it here. 75%

>> [music] [music] >> Yeah. So, the resonance is kicking in much earlier on this um on the Deep Mind

>> Yeah. So, the resonance is kicking in much earlier on this um on the Deep Mind 12. And if I turn it fully up and now it's really getting loud. Beware.

12. And if I turn it fully up and now it's really getting loud. Beware.

And same on the JN80. [music]

Yeah. So that's really a big difference. Um, as you can hear on the Deep Mind 12, the filter behaves much cleaner, but also the resonance is much stronger. Um

on the JN80, yeah, there's some kind of interaction between the filter frequency and the oscillator shape.

[music] Yeah, it almost sounds like some interm modulation.

[music] >> [music] [music] >> And on the Deep Mind 12, I turn back the resonance a bit to match it. [music]

[music] >> [music] >> Yeah. So, you can hear it on this one as well, but not as strong um as it is on

>> Yeah. So, you can hear it on this one as well, but not as strong um as it is on the JN80. So, now let's compare maybe the envelopes. Um [snorts]

the JN80. So, now let's compare maybe the envelopes. Um [snorts]

I set the VCA on the JN80 to gate, which means um it's not influenced by this

envelope anymore. And here I decouple um both envelopes and only set the VCF

envelope anymore. And here I decouple um both envelopes and only set the VCF

envelope. So on the VCA we just have yeah the same shape set on the envelopes

envelope. So on the VCA we just have yeah the same shape set on the envelopes um as if it was triggered by the gate. [music]

Okay.

>> [music] [music] >> Yeah, I think first we have to yeah set the frequency of the VCF also to minimum

of 50 Hz like this one. Um I'll try. Let's see if I can hit the spot.

Yeah, not so easy to get it exactly the same, but I think it's Yeah, kind of in the same ballpark. So, let's compare. Again, [music]

[music] you have this very strong resonance. So,

that makes it a bit hard to compare, but pretty cool if you ask me. [music]

Let's [music] [music] [music] [music] Yeah, as you can hear, um there are differences, right? But the

thing is, um I'm trying to show okay, uh how is it just using the Deep Mind 12 and using the JN80 and what results do you get? So, it's really not about

caring every like comparing every little difference. I'm trying to get across um how it is, how it feels like using them. Okay, so let's see how long the longest

envelope time is on the JN80 for the DK. [music]

And let's do the same for the deep mind 12.

[music] As you can hear, the maximum decay time is much longer on the Deep Mind 12. So,

let's see if I trigger them both. Maybe at a middle resonance.

[music] Yeah, this one is still ringing out.

>> [music] >> Let's see if I can match them.

[music] [music] >> [music] >> Yeah, maybe um

at a range of uh 75% of the DK fader uh you have the maximum range on the JN80.

So yeah, that's fairly different. And what's about what about the envelope times for the attack? Let's see.

>> [music] >> Okay, that's quite long. How long does it take here?

[music] >> [music] [music] [laughter] >> Okay, that was really really long. Okay,

I stopped this because it I don't know. It's pointless. Um, you just see like the envelope times are much longer on the Deep Mind 12, but they can also get very short. Um, [music]

very short. Um, [music] [music] and honestly, I think the the envelopes are really I mean, the ranges are really cool uh on the Deep Mind 12, and that's

really a usable detail for me. Also that you have three envelopes is [snorts] kind of a plus um compared to the JN80. [music]

Yeah. So the chorus I mean this is really for me really hard. Um

hard. Um let's put it like this. If I just compare the chorus, how to use it like

on both um then it's totally different because I would use it like this like I don't know just turn the chorus on. This is chorus one [music] and chorus two.

[music] >> [music] >> and chorus one and two together.

Right. So, and on this one, um, I need to go to the effects page. Um, set it to insert. Now, it's set to send effects, but I

insert. Now, it's set to send effects, but I want to use it as an insert effect. And then I go to, let's say, the first slot.

Um, and I choose a chorus.

Here you go. Where's the chorus? Delay. Chorus. There it is. And [music]

[music] >> [music] >> Yeah, the volumes are much too different.

[music] [music] Yeah, I think I need to speed it up a bit here. So, let's edit this and set speed a bit higher. [music]

[music] [music] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Yeah, it's not so easy. Um, let's turn up the delay a bit. Maybe

[music] I think the width is maybe a bit too high.

[music] And the phase should also be 180°. So, it's really reversed phase on the left on the right. [music]

No, that doesn't really help. Set it to 90, maybe. [music]

Yeah.

[music] [music] >> [music] >> H. It's close, but it's not the same. So in this um in the JN80 you have like

>> H. It's close, but it's not the same. So in this um in the JN80 you have like these uh bucket brigade delays for the chorus and here it's a digital one which

[snorts] is not bad because it's digital but it's different and it's harder to set up if you really want to have exactly this sound that this chorus has.

Um if you don't compare I think it's sounding nice to be honest. Okay. Um so

it's nice on its own. Let's try the dimension one.

Yeah, chorus D. So, this is like uh inspired by the dimension D from Roland.

And let's see how that sounds.

>> [music] [music] [music] >> Okay. So, that's really different. Um,

it's also a nice sound, but um, yeah, out of the box for me, um, let's say as a as a new user coming to that thing,

[music] uh, to be honest, that doesn't sound like the original Dimension D. I know that from back in the day. [music]

>> [music] >> Yeah, it's kind of thin compared to this one. Dare to dare I say thin. Maybe

that's the wrong word. I mean, the sound here is a bit brighter than on this one.

Let's put it frankly.

Yeah. Or let's put it the other way around. And it sounds a bit muffled compared to that one. [snorts]

[music] By the way, also let have a look at the unison function on the JN80. Um, you have different unison modes, but I only

set it to full unison with eight voices. And then, uh, yeah, here I will use the 12 voices. And then let's compare how this sounds. Um, yeah, the Deep Mind 12

12 voices. And then let's compare how this sounds. Um, yeah, the Deep Mind 12 sounds like this.

Let's go into the Unison DTune. [music]

[music] And on this one, [music] there's also a D-Tune function. shift

voice [snorts] and go to D-Tune and then yeah I put it fully up which is 100% here. [music]

here. [music] Okay, obviously this is a bit louder because it has more voices. [music]

>> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Yeah. So now I have set it to unison dtune at um 208 but it goes to t 255. So

>> Yeah. So now I have set it to unison dtune at um 208 but it goes to t 255. So

it can bit can be a bit wider d-tuned than the JN80.

[music] Yeah. Hopefully um hopefully this was an interesting one. um even if it's not

Yeah. Hopefully um hopefully this was an interesting one. um even if it's not scripted and a bit confused at times I know but um yeah that was really like

something I wanted to do and to show and um yeah also to show from a from a user perspective which is a fresh user and which maybe wants to decide okay which

which of these bows should I buy like um I'm interested in an analog Juno copy.

Um, so which one would be better for me? And yeah, you need to decide like featurerich and modern versus vintage and

streamlined, very focused um, and immediate.

Yeah, maybe that's the main difference. Okay, so this was my confused and unscripted comparison between some of the core functions. um of these

synthesizers. And I hope that was helpful. And what can I say? Thanks for

synthesizers. And I hope that was helpful. And what can I say? Thanks for

watching and make some noise.