Brian Atlas Makes Feminist Realize How Incoherent Her Worldview Is

How about this? Do you think women should be drafted >> for the military?

>> I don't want to be drafted for the military.

>> Fixit split, please.

>> Um, no. I think that they need to hang back and hang with the kids.

>> But so in order for men to be able to vote, they are subject to military conscription, >> right?

>> A duty that uh women have no responsibility towards. So perhaps

responsibility towards. So perhaps there's an argument there that while it is true that women are subject to the laws, well some of the laws of this country, if we're assuming that

military, a possible military conscription scenario would only legally apply to men, they're not fully subject to all the laws in the United States.

Um, but to be fair, 99% of laws women are subject to. And um but so women have no duty, no responsibility.

Maybe there could be an and they do have to pay taxes like you said. Um although

in totality I think women are actually a net tax burden in total.

>> So women as a group, of course there are women who are wealthy who pay more into the tax system than they take back out, but women as a group are actually a total burden on the system. whereas men

are a total uh >> benefit >> benefit I guess is the right framing.

>> Uh so perhaps we could do like a women's vote is worth like three three fifths.

>> I think that you made a phenomenal point. I think that's a great point. Um

point. I think that's a great point. Um

like women are not drafted. Although it

like it just this conversation feels like >> gives you the ick.

>> It No, no, no, no, no. Not the ick. It

it feels like it it sucks because it's like we are going somewhere where women are like literally fighting basically.

They don't even realize to be drafted.

Like we're getting to a point there in America. So like you saying that it's

America. So like you saying that it's like I am actually I do agree with you guys but it's like because of the position that I'm put in. I have no choice but to fight for my vote to write. Like it's because of where I'm

write. Like it's because of where I'm the position I'm in though.

>> And we were put in this position because women were given the right to vote though. So, don't you think if we took

though. So, don't you think if we took that away, we'd kind of improve as a country a little bit and maybe be in a better position as women?

>> No, I think he I think uh Brian was trying to go somewhere and I think he had like he was getting on a good point.

I just maybe I I think that we should all have the right to vote, you know, individually until you're married. And

then once you're married, I I mean, but then again, I get that would mess up the entire voting system because then single people would just stay single. it would

just be >> I'm uh one thing and I'll have you uh >> I I'm an egalitarian on this particular issue. So,

issue. So, >> and well, for a few things, I think it's optically bad to suggest we ought to revoke the 19th amendment, that we should repeal

the 19th amendment, that that we should revoke uh women's right to vote.

Optically, that's terrible. Uh

practically, pragmatically, I don't think that that's going to happen. Um,

so I I just don't think it's politically tenable to even pursue that. So me

personally, my own thoughts though is if we are going to do this equality thing, women should be subject to military conscription because in order for men to be able to vote, men have to be subject

to well, they have to register for the selective service. If they don't, it's

selective service. If they don't, it's not just the risk of potentially being forced into the military. It's also

there are actually uh penalties even if you don't uh register for the selective service. It's technically a felony.

service. It's technically a felony.

$250,000 fine. You're barred from certain federal programs, from getting certain federal jobs, from getting student loans in some instances. Uh so,

and then it's of course just even being able to vote, you have to register and be subject to military conscription. So

my position would be well no we're not going to get rid of women's uh right to vote. We are going to bulldoze uh women

vote. We are going to bulldoze uh women being subject to military conscription.

Now if it is women's positions or politicians positions that no we shouldn't do that only in that scenario would I say well uh given the inequality

that men have this duty and responsibility that women don't uh in that circumstances if there's a definitive we will not well that's the

status quo currently we will not make women subject to military conscription then we can either ther reduce the power of women's vote to a half or

three-fifths or whatever or just completely revoke it outright. But that

wouldn't be my first step. But it makes sense to me if if men have this extra duty and responsibility and that's the basis for them having

access to the vote. You either in order for equality to exist, women also have to be subject to that or you have to have a serious conversation about uh weak weakening the power of women's vote

or completely revoking it.

>> Right.

>> I think um in a perfect world we just nobody would have to go into a draft unfortunately.

I think that's like where my mind goes and that's why I just like I go benign like I go like >> can I say something?

>> Sure.

I believe that women is a very important uh piece in any um situation

in any position even in the military. Um is there places in the mil military that not specifically you have to have a gun and

be in front? is many places in the in the military that is nurse is uh kitchen is many places where women can

be part and do her best >> right >> we when God created us God create men and women if women was not important

then men will be alone in this planet obviously women is a very important piece in any area in this life >> that's factually not True. Women are not

important from a military perspective.

>> What do you mean like >> Well, you said that women are equally important.

>> No, notary. Not equally. I'm saying what was your >> I'm saying that um my point of view is women uh is important in in all the

areas. is like supporting your men,

areas. is like supporting your men, supporting uh like I says in the military like uh not not to be in front in the front line but is >> I'm okay with the front line

>> like >> send them to the front line.

>> It's >> send them to Afghanistan. No,

>> send them liberate the poor Afghanistani women who just >> you know feminist to fight the Taliban

>> places where women are can be uh putting her you know very important part in any any situation in any society and any uh we're important

>> well >> we are psych >> how are we import most women are just consumers in America And they're just single women that consume. They don't.

>> So women is not important in a family.

>> No, no, but hold on. Hold on. The

argument is about the military though.

And so >> there's places in the military that you can be uh catch.

>> So yes, women look, women can uh be effective in support roles in the military. There's no doubt there. Uh but

military. There's no doubt there. Uh but

what we're talking about here is forced military conscription and um I mean look realistically women are

not really as capable as men as it relates to uh being soldiers. Mhm.

>> Who would >> I agree >> who would watch ch the children if everyone went if everyone was >> not everybody would be >> who would hang back like handicapped or

like who would hang back?

>> What I mean obviously in military conflicts not every single citizen is being sent to war all at the same time.

Um so but you would agree that there's like plenty of single women who >> Oh okay.

>> Yeah. I mean

>> I mean however if we look if if the standard is you can draft a man who has children why can't you draft a woman who has children I don't see the issue

>> I'm just wondering where the kids go like where do the kids go?

>> I'm sure that there would be one parent left. Yeah,

left. Yeah, >> the the men can breastfeed.

>> They put a little thing on, >> put put the bottles, the pipes, >> total. I think we as women wanted equal

>> total. I think we as women wanted equal rights and it should go across the board. We should be drafted.

board. We should be drafted.

>> Yeah. Send them to the front line for >> I mean, we wouldn't do so high. I mean,

I feel like it should be tested to see where we would belong. But

>> you wanted to Sorry, can I add something? Yeah. cuz I grew up in a

something? Yeah. cuz I grew up in a military family. So I I think women can

military family. So I I think women can be in the military. Do I think they deserve to be like on a like a SEAL team? No, not at all. Sorry. Um but I a

team? No, not at all. Sorry. Um but I a lot of women are in intelligence.

They're not just like working in a kitchen. They they're doing, you know,

kitchen. They they're doing, you know, do I think that they have the same physical capacities as a as a man on the front lines? No.

front lines? No.

>> No.

>> But women are we are they're smart and they're tactical. So that you see them a

they're tactical. So that you see them a lot of it a lot of them in the air force a lot of pilots. Um but in respect to the draft as well um yeah I would say if

if you wanted it equal then you'd have to draft draft us as well. I would not like to be uh I'd rather stay at home but uh I'll support my man in the military man. Yeah, look, there are

military man. Yeah, look, there are obviously roles that women can exceed at in the military and and in some instances or perhaps even many instances, they might even exceed at it

>> possibly better than men. But that

that's a I don't think we're really the debate isn't about the capacity or ability of women necessarily. The debate

about is about men are subject to this thing, military conscription, women are not. In order

for men to be able to vote, they have to be subject to the thing. Women have the vote without being subject to the thing.

If we're going to pedestalize equality as some virtue or value in the United States, and that seems to be the case, I mean, that's the whole basis of women having the right to vote for the sake of

equality. Well, thus airgo, for the sake

equality. Well, thus airgo, for the sake of equality, women should be subject to military conscription. And even then,

military conscription. And even then, even if we were to implement it, I think it would be in practice implemented completely unfairly. For example, you

completely unfairly. For example, you would still have men who are drafted to the front line to face potential death, injury, maming, etc. And women would be

drafted to comfortable airond conditioned office jobs that can be done by military service members. So,

even then, it still wouldn't be fair.

But at least for the sake of appearances of equality, yes, women should be uh women should be drafted.

And if they're not, if I don't know, man, if it's 20 2030 and they're not drafted yet, just get rid women should just get rid of the right to vote for women. Honestly, just get get rid get

women. Honestly, just get get rid get rid of it. But look, that's not my that's not my first position. My first

position, women keep the right to vote, but they have to be subject to military conscription.

But if we are like, you know what, we're just nah, we're not going to do it.

Yeah, they can be dra uh they they can lose the right to vote, I guess. I don't

know.

>> I think that's I think that's fair. I

think that's fair. And also, I wanted to add um this is like a funny topic, but women bear children, they breastfeed, they have periods. Like,

have periods. Like, >> these are all things that men don't have to do.

>> Well, can the government force women to do any of those things?

>> Uh, no. Not. No, they can't.

>> Right. So, what we're talking about, >> well, I mean, you just naturally do have a period.

>> Well, are women actually doing that? I

mean, we have a a uh possible population collapse. Women are waiting until their

collapse. Women are waiting until their late 20s, 30s to have children, if they're even having children. They're

having children at below replacement value. Uh, so women actually aren't

value. Uh, so women actually aren't holding up their It's not even a duty really, but um the the social contract

women aren't having children.

>> Why? What do you think?