Bulking On Steroids vs Natural - The Truth No One Tells You

Bulking naturally versus bulking on steroids. What's the difference? The

steroids. What's the difference? The

truth is there couldn't be a bigger difference. And before you think it, I'm

difference. And before you think it, I'm going to say it. The difference simply isn't just, well, yeah, mate, when you're on steroids, you're going to pack on a load of size. Actually, it's two complete different pathways depending

whether you're natural or you're on gear to gain muscle in the most effective way. So, what I'm going to do here is

way. So, what I'm going to do here is we're going to break down both pathways.

So, if you're a natural and you really want to gain a lot of muscle versus if you're using steroids and you want to gain a lot of muscle, we've worked with thousands of clients between us, both natural and non-natural, and obviously

have had incredible transformations. So,

what you're getting here is the real juicy information, pardon the pun. We'll

start off by going through the most effective pathway to bulk if you're using steroids.

What you got to realize is that when we talk about steroids, right, and I I guess most of you watching will think the same thing. If you hear that someone that you know has gone on steroids, you would often think, "Oh, wow. They're

going to they're going to gain a ton of size, right? That's we all associate

size, right? That's we all associate steroids with gaining a lot of size quickly, right?" Truth be told, steroids

quickly, right?" Truth be told, steroids do a hell of a lot more than that. They

actually have quite a dramatic metabolic response. So when you're actually on

response. So when you're actually on anabolic steroids, you have to realize that the way that you would bulk is in what we call a blasting and cruising

manner. Okay? Steroids give you the

manner. Okay? Steroids give you the ability to create a short window of time like 15 to 20 weeks where in that time duration, you take a cycle typically where you're going to titrate up in

dosage or switch out compounds. And in

that time frame, you if you if you know what you're doing, you've got your diet set up correctly, you got your training set up correctly, you got your cycle set up correctly, you can gain a [ __ ] ton of tissue. This is the truth, right? So,

of tissue. This is the truth, right? So,

if you think about it, a lot of guys that I coach in a blast phase, it's very normal to be able to gain between 15 and

30 pounds of size. That's a lot of [ __ ] size. I mean, Abe, you know, when you've taken guys on gear and they've come to you, they want to put a lot of size on and they do a blast cycle. I'm I'm guarantee you probably

cycle. I'm I'm guarantee you probably going to say the same. You experience

the same thing.

>> Yeah. 15, 20, 20, 25, 30 pounds. Getting

stronger every week. Recovery is on point. They utilize food a lot better.

point. They utilize food a lot better.

There's a massive difference between people who are natural and people who are taking anabolics. This is the thing like you can grow that much faster. I've seen

people I've actually had naturals, right, that have we've gone through bulking and cutting phases. Yeah.

>> So, I know their body, I know their nutrition, I know their training, >> and they've grown in their sports, but it's taking a lot longer. We got to be more careful with how much we push the calories because they start to get fat.

They get insulin sensitive very quickly because they don't have things like insulin at the disposal and so forth.

So, you take that same person who knows how to train, who knows how to eat, and then you literally change the context of putting antibiotics into the environment, they grow twice as quick.

As simple as that. They grow transit because you are speeding up the process.

You're speeding up the rec process of recovery. You're speeding up the process

recovery. You're speeding up the process of um your body's ability to get stronger. You know, you're elevating

stronger. You know, you're elevating your protein synthesis. And if you're using things like insulin, you're utilizing your carbohydrates far greater. So, you're at a complete

greater. So, you're at a complete advantage when you're using anabolics is that you cannot as a natural take the same path um for growing as you would if you anabolics. And that goes through

you anabolics. And that goes through both spectrum of both both bulking and cutting. They make night and day

cutting. They make night and day difference.

>> Absolutely they do. It's almost like what I want you to understand because you're not going to really get told this information elsewhere. And I'll tell you

information elsewhere. And I'll tell you why. Because a lot of the guys that are

why. Because a lot of the guys that are using anabolic steroids, right, in order to maintain their sponsorships, in order to maintain their so-called reputation, they will tell you what they do except for the most important part, the cycle

they're using. If it wasn't important,

they're using. If it wasn't important, which they make out like it isn't, then they'll tell you, wouldn't it? Wouldn't

they? You got to realize that it's a completely different rule set. So if you think to yourself, well, do you know what AFA? Surely it's just a case of

what AFA? Surely it's just a case of bulking as you would naturally by just adding gear in. Completely wrong. Like I

say to you that when you're bulking, you want to gain a lot of size and you're going to use anabolic stories. The most

effective way to gain a ton of ton of tissue in a in a short time frame is going for that blast phase and it changes the game completely. You got to realize that you can train a lot harder.

You can recover a lot better. you can

eat a lot more food because metabolically you're going to be in a faster superior position, right? And not

only that, you can utilize that food in such a way to pack on a lot more tissue.

So, if you look at a guy that's on on a steroid cycle on a blast cycle where they're going to ramp their steroids up over about a 15 to 20 week period, realistically, these guys can gain like

2 to three pounds a week. As a natural, if you did that, you'd be fat as [ __ ] very quickly. And that's actually what

very quickly. And that's actually what happens to a lot of naturals because they look at what steroid guys do. And I

can tell you I was a victim of this.

He's a victim of this. You know, when we were coming up body building our bodies, a lot of the information you got hold of in magazines. And I'd look at the diets

in magazines. And I'd look at the diets that these guys do. I look at the way that they train. I look at the way that they grow. And I thought, well, that's

they grow. And I thought, well, that's what I got to do. A big bulking phase as a natural. I'm going to do a 20we

a natural. I'm going to do a 20we bulking phase and I'm going to put on 30 40 lbs and then I'm going to cut down.

I'm going to have all this new muscle.

The sad reality is, and this is coming from a guy that's naturally lean. I've

been lean my whole life. I just gained a pair of tits in a belly. That's the

truth. Because what you're doing is is you're trying to replicate steroidike results, eating that quantity of food, trying to gain that quantity of weight, and really a lot of it's just going to

be fat. That's the hard reality truth.

be fat. That's the hard reality truth.

So when you're on a steroids, the rule set, the whole game is completely different, right? You can gain muscle

different, right? You can gain muscle literally like literally growing week by week, getting bigger week by week. And

it allows you, again, like I said, to eat so much more food, right? And

utilize that food without getting fat.

It allows you to train a lot harder and actually be able to recover from that training. So, you can do more volume,

training. So, you can do more volume, you can train with more intensity, and you're actually going to benefit from it. And not only this, because of the

it. And not only this, because of the effect that steroids have on you metabolically, especially in a cycle where, let's say, you're ramping those steroids up, you're going to be able to gain muscle with gaining very little

fat. So, when you're bulking as a

fat. So, when you're bulking as a steroid user, the way we'd break it down, the way that I work with clients is we'll do 15 to 20 bar cycle. Then,

what you do is a cruise. In that cruise, the goal is to maintain the size that you've gained, right? drop the steroids down, get the body in a healthy position, prime the body for another

blast, and then literally get on another blast and grow a huge amount. Again, I

want to be real with you. Most guys that come to me, I tell them this all the time. When it comes to an anabolic

time. When it comes to an anabolic steroid cycle in when it comes to bulking with anabolic steroids, most people don't realize this. You are

literally only two to three. You're only

literally two to three blast phases done correctly away from completely changing your entire frame. I'm talking about where you grow out your clothes. I'm

talking about where you add inches of muscle. I'm talking about where you gain

muscle. I'm talking about where you gain a lot of strength. It's amazing because if you know how to do a blast properly and all the things surrounded by it, two to three blasts done over a one and a

half to two year period can literally transform a body. And you've seen it done. How many bodybuilders have you

done. How many bodybuilders have you seen in the 90s, in the early 2000s, and even today who will disappear off the scene for one and a half, two years, and come back a completely different physique with a completely different

silhouette, a completely different level of size, and a completely different level of development. I'm not saying they're not training hard. I'm not

saying they're not eating right. I'm not

saying they're not putting their all into it. But you have to accept the

into it. But you have to accept the fact, and there's no getting away from it, that the using change the game completely and allow them to make

results on a level that a natural could never ever replicate. You know, some naturals are misled to thinking, well, do you know what? Steroids allows you to do it quicker. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Steroids allows you to do what you can never do as a natural. Guess why?

steroids take you out of a physiological range of hormones and put you into a super physiological range of hormones.

So what you're doing is you're taking Clark Ken and you're turning that [ __ ] into a Superman. It's a completely different reality.

>> You look at this, right? You look at the top natural competitors, even the best in the world, they're lucky to put on one or two pounds of muscle between shows with one or two pounds of muscle

within the year from offseason to contest prep. If you think about it, if

contest prep. If you think about it, if you're as a natural putting on all that weight, thinking that you're going to diet down to this new level of muscle, you're going to be shocked. Most great

natural bodybuilders stay very tight to their stage weight. They stay leaner in the offse and how they actually grow between shows is that they don't lose as much muscle. This is the absolute key.

much muscle. This is the absolute key.

Like when you look at a natural that diets down, they now have to keep the muscle that they gain. So you even might you might even gain a bit more bit more muscle doing the doing a bit of a harder bulk but then you got to make sure you

keep the muscle when you cut. So now

you're fighting that battle like you'll never see a natural come in 10 lbs heavier than last year£10 heavy between shows. So what's the point of putting

shows. So what's the point of putting 4050 pounds on if that's the case?

You'll see bodybuilders people who use anabolics right who use PDS you see people putting on£10 between shows£15 between shows. I mean it's it's

between shows. I mean it's it's incredible how quickly you can grow in anabolics in terms of it changes the game. You get more you get way more bang

game. You get more you get way more bang for your buck. Imagine two people working the same job putting the same effort in same dedication and consistency and one's getting paid a lot more than the other. That's what how anabolics work. you get more bang for

anabolics work. you get more bang for your buck and you effort you put in you see you see you do see that see that faster and that is why people in some places they end up moving to anabolics

because it's incredible like when I used to bulk as a natural I used to put like I said bulk like these guys who were using anabolics get really big scale weight would be going up and I was I

would just be looking fatter but I would convince myself that I've got all this new muscle tissue under the fat only to [ __ ] diet down 50 lbs and realized I really am any muscle at all. Maybe I'll

be better off staying a little bit tight, a little bit leaner, and not sacrificing muscle tissue on the way down. Cuz when it comes to anabolics as

down. Cuz when it comes to anabolics as well, we got to realize there's only an advantage when it comes to bulking.

There's advantage to coming to when it comes to when it's cutting. These

[ __ ] can use anabolics to grow and they anabolics to cut. So even on the way down, they're growing muscle tissue.

That's how powerful antibiotics are.

Think about it. There are people out there, including myself, if I have took a long enough health phase, I can actually grow muscle tissue as I'm cutting in a calorie deficit. That's the

power of anabolics.

>> You know what you to be honest, you make some [ __ ] brilliant points because think about what you're saying is absolutely true because you have to realize we man we got like we've been at

this now for nearly 24 years, right? We

we both competed naturally. So in the beginning of our bodybuilding journeys, we were obsessed with natural bodybuilding and he is actually [ __ ] bang on. If you look at every great

bang on. If you look at every great natural bodybuilder and let me tell you something now. Yeah. When we talk about

something now. Yeah. When we talk about the natural pros, you're talking about the best genetics that there are, the best structures that there are, the best responsive bodies that there are, the

best muscle bellies that they are. And

even those [ __ ] cannot go cannot gain anywhere near the sort of actual muscle size that Jim Bros on Gear can.

>> Think about it. Can I tell you this? I

have been to bodybuilding shows and he will know this because he remembers this clearly. I've been to bodybuilding shows

clearly. I've been to bodybuilding shows where like, you know, I was in awe like seeing this natural bodybuilder, seeing that natural bodybuilder, and I remember saying to the girlfriend that I was with at the time, "Oh, that guy's amazing."

And she's like, "He doesn't even look like he works out.

Take his shirt off under stage lights, he looks amazing, but in in reality, he doesn't even look as good as the the guy in the gym who's pumping air in terms of

size." Do you know what I mean? Right?

size." Do you know what I mean? Right?

And that's that's the reality of it. If

you think about the best guys with the best genetics, they can't even afford, right, that they can't actually even add that that level of muscle. And like he said, we went through it where you think to yourself, do you know what? I'm going

to do a big offseason like what you see these steroid what you see these steroid bodybuilders do. I'm going to go up

bodybuilders do. I'm going to go up three, four stones of weight. And then

you think to yourself, you delude yourself. Think, oh well, when I cut

yourself. Think, oh well, when I cut now, I'm going to reveal all this muscle. and all you've done is take your

muscle. and all you've done is take your body through a useless exercise of putting a ton of fat on and then having to take a ton of fat off and what you're left with is not much different. You

know, think about it this way. If you if you know what you're doing with steroids and you do those blast phases like I talk about, you do a blast a cruise and everything's checked and you're looking at your blood work, you're planning

everything out, what I'm about to say to you is the reality, right? You literally

can grow inches of muscle. I'm talking

about where after two or three blasts done over one and a half years, you would have [ __ ] grown in muscle in a silhouette shape, right, out of your clothes in like you can go from

literally large to triple XXL as a natural that can never happen, right? A

natural isn't gaining inches on their arms and inches on their chest and going up massively in their lifts in literally just a year and a half. The natural game

is a long game, right? Cuz do you know why? Gaining muscle is the most

why? Gaining muscle is the most unnatural process there is for the body.

Think about think about it. You can take a thousand people, put them on a good diet, put them on a good training system, put them on cardio, every single one of those [ __ ] will get into

better shape. No one's going to be

better shape. No one's going to be walking around with accidental 20-in arms cuz the human body is not designed that way. It's forceful to try and gain

that way. It's forceful to try and gain muscle. It goes against what it's meant

muscle. It goes against what it's meant to do. So understand that steroids

to do. So understand that steroids change the game. It's not the same rule set. So, when you're using anabolic

set. So, when you're using anabolic steroids, right, and you use it in a in a fashion, like I said, of blasting and cruising or blasting and then coming off and then blasting again,

you're able to gain rapid amounts of muscle, rapid amounts of strength, and completely change your level of development, taking it far beyond what you could have ever dreamt of,

naturally, ever achieved naturally. I'll

give you an example. bulking naturally

the the heaviest I was able to get to in decent condition with about 180 steroids allow me to get to about 220 230 growth hormones that allow me to get to 280 290

look at the [ __ ] difference man I'm just being honest with you guys do you want to know why cuz look here's the reality with us yeah we just want to give you freedom of information I'm not telling you to go and take serious I'm telling you that if you are like what I

was and you look at these guys and you think well I can replicate that as a natural or I can replicate the framework of how they grow as a natural, you're going to be you're going to be bitterly disappointed. So, I'm just giving the

disappointed. So, I'm just giving the reality here, man. I'm not trying to dishearten you. I'm just giving the

dishearten you. I'm just giving the reality. So, I guess the question is, if

reality. So, I guess the question is, if you're a natural, then how do you effectively gain muscle, right? What is

the best route to go? And I can tell you this cuz I can show you countless amounts of naturals. Do you want to know this? Who most people don't even believe

this? Who most people don't even believe they're natural? Honestly, I've got you

they're natural? Honestly, I've got you will look at these transformations. I've

got I got so many natural guys who most people actually do think they're on steroids. And these guys have now been

steroids. And these guys have now been with me minimum three four years. And I

tell them that I say, "Look, if you really want to gain a lot of size of natural, you need to spend years with me."

me." So if we look at how do you go about that as a natural, he makes a very good point. The first thing you want to do,

point. The first thing you want to do, and even if you're going to use steroids, get yourself lean. Get

yourself lean because you got to realize that as a natural steroids almost make your muscles grow from the inside out. They pump those [ __ ] out. Think about the androceptors are all around here. Yeah.

So traps, delts, chest, everything starts going like a balloon's pumping out. As a natural, that doesn't happen.

out. As a natural, that doesn't happen.

It you just look fatter, right? So just

to start from a lean base, at least you'll look like you're in some sort of shape. You know, most naturals when they

shape. You know, most naturals when they bulk, they don't even look they work out. They just look out of shape. if

out. They just look out of shape. if

they do it like a steroid body, right?

That's how I looked. That's how he looked and we've been on steroids, so we know the difference.

So, I would say for absolute shorty, the best way to gain as a natural is first of all, get yourself lean. And then what I do with natural guys is this. Once

they're lean and they're in shape, you say, "Asa, what's that?" 8 to 10% body fat. Then what we do is we're basically

fat. Then what we do is we're basically bulking from that point onwards for years. You'll be thinking, "Well, surely

years. You'll be thinking, "Well, surely you get fat." No, cuz we're not trying to gain two pounds a [ __ ] week. What

we're trying to do is slowly gain weight. Every time we start to get out

weight. Every time we start to get out of shape or we start to lose insulin sensitivity, we tidy up and we repeat, right? So, what you're doing effectively

right? So, what you're doing effectively is this. Your whole future training is

is this. Your whole future training is just revolved around you gaining muscle unless you're going to go for competition. And along that trip, all

competition. And along that trip, all you're doing is tidying up every time you get out of shape, every time your digestive system is getting stressed, every time you're starting to lose your insulin sensitivity. If you say, "Well,

insulin sensitivity. If you say, "Well, how do I know that?" [ __ ] look in the mirror. You know, when I'm looking at a

mirror. You know, when I'm looking at a natural client of mine and I can see, okay, this guy's now starting to get a bit soft. This guy's now starting to

bit soft. This guy's now starting to gain a bit of body fat. I pull them back. I reset them. Then we go again.

back. I reset them. Then we go again.

It's slow. You're not going to add inches, but you will slowly surely gain muscle while staying in great shape. And

the truth of the matter is is that if you keep at it long enough and you're dedicated and consistent, like I say to you, you'll get to the level where most sort of people who don't really know, you know, about like how to build a

body, they'll look at you and think that you are on gear. Cuz I know cuz I've posted so many clients here that are natural and people like, "Oh, they're on steroids." That's why now when I make

steroids." That's why now when I make posts, I just be honest and say, "Look, this guy's natural. That guy's on steroids. I mean, when you bolt guys

steroids. I mean, when you bolt guys natural, you've had loads of successful results. I bet you got there is only one

results. I bet you got there is only one really, isn't there?

>> Yeah. What in terms of growing?

>> Yeah. As a natural, like if you have a natural client, how are you going to grow them effectively?

>> I was very lucky. My first coach I had when I was 17 was natural. Lane Norton,

who I still think today, his articles and his knowledge is incredible. He's

timeless.

>> And he said on these articles, he even said to me, you want to stay 15, 20, 25 stage weight. Think about that. And your

stage weight. Think about that. And your

first 10 pounds you gain when you've done a cut, it's just water weight. So

that's literally 10 15 pounds from the stage weight. So how does a natural come

stage weight. So how does a natural come in bigger, you refine your physique over time. If you look at natural bodies in

time. If you look at natural bodies in in bodybuilding competitions, they come back a pound heavier, a pound and a half heavier maybe from show to show, year to year, and they spend all that time eating and training, recovering, and so

forth because they're refining their physique. You know, they're able to diet

physique. You know, they're able to diet on more food, so they're not losing as much muscle tissue because they haven't gained as much fat. I think most naturals at some point have done the whole bulk that we did where we just pushed the calories up. So the scale

weight went up to only diet down and look probably worse when you ended your cut because you've lost muscle tissue along the way because you've had to strip away so much fat. So when I coach someone who's natural and look to put muscle tissue on them, I get their

foundation good first. So get them lean, get their body tight around 8 8 to 10% as I said with with visible abs.

>> Yeah.

>> And then I just grow them. And when I start to hear their body becoming softer, you know, they're pushing the calories, you know, they're getting more lethargic with the food and they rather get more energetic. It's a great sign that you're becoming very insulin

sensitive. You could do things like

sensitive. You could do things like blood glucose draws in the morning as well. That's a great indication. See how

well. That's a great indication. See how

your blood sugar levels are um you know are doing is whether your body's utilizing the carbohydrates or not.

There'll come a point with every person that I will do like a mini cut like a refresh a refresh phase where we're trying to reensitize the body, drop a bit of body fat, improve the digestion.

That could be like an 8week bulk, 10 week bulk and a four, three to four week mini cut. It really depends on the on

mini cut. It really depends on the on the person. It really depends on how

the person. It really depends on how they're feeling. And also what you got

they're feeling. And also what you got to understand is that like when you're when you're doing this as a natural, you got to look at the long game.

>> 100% 100%.

>> I think what it is with a lot of people, especially if they're not well versed, like the way we're speaking, right, guys who are well versed in bodybuilding and compet natural competitions, they know they've been what we've been we they've been through what we've been through.

But when you're getting someone who comes with a lifestyle cut, someone support put on that size. The physiques

that they aspire to have are not natural physiques. The difference is between now

physiques. The difference is between now what it was many years ago when we were doing this is there wasn't a lot of physiques to be seen unless we're in the magazines, right? But now you're seeing

magazines, right? But now you're seeing all these people online that are pushing their physiques, showing their physiques, and it's very hard to tell the truth who's natural or not.

>> Yeah.

>> So they're following these they're following these people like drinking masc extra calories. They're just getting

extra calories. They're just getting [ __ ] fat. That's the truth. So if

you're a natural person, you want to grow the best way possible, blast increase phases in terms of your nutrition and training. So for example, if you're pushing up the calories,

you're pushing up um the strength in the gym, you're doing that for eight week period, you start to find your performance is dropping, you start to find that your digestive system isn't working as efficiently, you start to find that the food that should be giving

you energy is making you more lethargic.

That then is a red flag. Not I'm not talking if you have one bad day. I'm

talking having a string of bad days and the feedback is you know what last week I didn't feel good this week I didn't feel as good that's when it's time to take the break but the break in itself miss the next push so you could do like

a foure period a 5we period 6 week period where you heard it before a mini cut a reensitized phase and you know what you can actually go quite aggressive with this with this cut if you're natural you don't have to slowly

take your calories down if you ended up on 4,000 a day on your bulking you can go two 3,000 because you're holding excess body fat as all your proteins in in the right face, you're not going to pull from muscle tissue, especially if

you've got body fat on your body. Your

body can pull energy from that cuz fat is stored energy, right? Clean up your physique, get your hunger back, you know, have a bit more fun in the gym.

Maybe don't focus so much on hitting your PRs and, you know, increasing strength in the gym. Maybe do a bit of pump work. I kind of like use move my

pump work. I kind of like use move my naturals to more of a bro a bro split.

So, when when we're growing, we do like a push pull legs on upper lower cuz frequency training works fantastic for a natural when they're trying to put on muscle tissue. And then we go for more

muscle tissue. And then we go for more of a bro split. focus more on a pump, focus more on enjoyment, bit of a deo, not only not only physically but mentally. That person is refreshed to

mentally. That person is refreshed to rego again and um because naturals only the only thing they have all you guys have at your disposal is your food uh you do nutrition, training, recovery.

You don't have steroids to help you recover. You don't have steroids to help

recover. You don't have steroids to help you get stronger. You don't have steroids to jump back on to when you do like a break, you can literally put that size back on twice as quick. So, it's

very very diligent. I respect natural people because, you know, to build a body naturally and to take it to the level of competing and doing well at these shows, you've got to really understand your body and think about it.

Then if you put [ __ ] steroids into that environment, you get a Ronnie Coleman. What happened to Ronnie

Coleman. What happened to Ronnie Coleman? Ronnie Coleman went on to

Coleman? Ronnie Coleman went on to anabolics. He was natural and he the

anabolics. He was natural and he the [ __ ] put on 100 pounds of muscle and that was sitting there and he's obviously genetic freak. But that's the reality of reality of um anabolics versus being natural. You're just at a

disadvantage. It's it's the reality of

disadvantage. It's it's the reality of it. Otherwise, if he wasn't, they'll be

it. Otherwise, if he wasn't, they'll be allowed in sports, right? You'll be

allowed in all these sports, you know, of using anabolic steroids. You could

use them. So, yeah, just pay attention to your pay attention to your body, pay attention to the mirror. Um, everyone

has slightly different set points. Some

guys can stay a bit leaner, some guys will put on a bit of fluff. But I think the biggest key is not only in your growing phase, it is in your cutting phase. Like, you spend all this time

phase. Like, you spend all this time trying to put this muscle tissue on. You

spend all this time eating up and training heavy. There's going to be a

training heavy. There's going to be a time where you're going to cut down to reveal this new muscle tissue, whether for a photo shoot, a competition, a holiday. And unless you [ __ ] do

holiday. And unless you [ __ ] do things proper, you're going to be very disappointed. Like, don't go so far

disappointed. Like, don't go so far from, you know, that 8 to 10 lbs we were talking about, 8% body fat we're talking about at the beginning for like 170 lbs of that weight. You're not going to be 250 and come back down at 200. You're

going to be you're going to be close back close to 170, sorry, 175, maybe 176, 178. You 68 lb. And that's a lot of

176, 178. You 68 lb. And that's a lot of muscle tissue if you think about it. So

what's the point going up all that way?

I'm telling you now that most if you look at if you actually look at this for a second, you do your research, a natural reach their peak quite early, you know, when you're going from your teens to your mid20s, right? And then

they pretty much stay around that way.

If you look at one of the best natural bodybuilders in my opinion of this generation, Doug Miller, he never really came in bigger. No,

>> he was always between like 192, I think, and 196 on stage, but he looked better every time because every time he dieted down, he had more muscle maturity, had more muscle separation. His diet to diet

more calories. So, the look of the

more calories. So, the look of the muscle changes over time. This [ __ ] he looks like he's put on side, but the scale weight doesn't correlate to that.

But the problem is with a natural or the issue with naturals is you because you don't grow like a steroid bodybuilder where your arms are getting bigger, your traps are getting bigger, your shoulders are getting bigger. So you basically use like a bigger fat version by yourself

off yourself. You start to then rely on

off yourself. You start to then rely on the scale as a metric of progress. So

you literally ignore what's in the mirror. Ignore ignore how you feel.

mirror. Ignore ignore how you feel.

You're like, "Well, I must be gaining muscle cuz the scale is going up."

That's not the case. And it's very hard because soon as you gain a bit of body fat as a natural because you don't have that pump to the muscle like you do anabolics, you just look like a big guy.

You just look a big guy. Naturals look

fantastic when they're shredded. Because

when you strip away fat and you only left with pure muscle tissue, even Olympic runners look fantastic when they're running. When underneath those

they're running. When underneath those lights, muscle tissue exposed underneath the right lights, you look phenomenal.

You can make a guy who's small look massive, right? That's why we have stage

massive, right? That's why we have stage lights in competition to make these people look a lot bigger than what they are. Just take your time, be patient

are. Just take your time, be patient with it. That's that's my only advice.

with it. That's that's my only advice.

And if you you know, if you do that, you'll save yourself a lot of time in your dieting. Cuz the worth the worst

your dieting. Cuz the worth the worst thing for me when I was bulking naturally, I think I used to get to like 240. I died to like 172. It was the

240. I died to like 172. It was the [ __ ] diet because as soon as you start dieting, is most of you may know this. You look [ __ ] in the first six

this. You look [ __ ] in the first six weeks. At least with anabolics, you

weeks. At least with anabolics, you still look semi decent because you've got things which are keeping your muscle full. Soon as you start diet, you look

full. Soon as you start diet, you look even worse. So now you've come, you've

even worse. So now you've come, you've dropped your calories back. You're

depleting glycogen. The fat that you carry looks, you look twice as fat. So I

wouldn't put yourself through that. You

see a lot of things online. It's very

hard to separate what's what's real and what's not. We're just sharing our

what's not. We're just sharing our experiences. We've both done everything

experiences. We've both done everything really and truly. I think that's the most important thing like you look at you know >> and it's it's not just us. It's not just so it's not just for us like our

personal experience because you know personal experience is personal experience but when you've got demonstrable experience with clients over clients over clients. So when I look if I was to show you my natural clients and the size that they've gained

over a multitude of years right yeah they definitely put size on. They look a lot better. They've gone thicker.

lot better. They've gone thicker.

They're really happy with the results.

But then I can show you guys using steroids that I've worked with and put it into perspective. I've got so many guys now and this is going to blow your mind right where in one and a half years

where they've done two to three blasts with little cruises between have actually gained 3 to four inches per muscle group.

What natural is doing that?

What natural do you know how hard it is to even get your arms over 16 17 inches naturally? Let alone 1920. It's [ __ ]

naturally? Let alone 1920. It's [ __ ] crazy when >> you know and this I've done this to so many guys blasting I mean using steroids in natural again two different pathways

I would say to you I would say to you guys this again it's not to dish you it's not to encourage you to use steroids but it's to tell you the truth right I would say the best way to play this in today's world if you really want

to like if your goal is to be as like you want to pack on a lot of size like you really want to go for it try and exhaust your natural potential first get as strong as you can naturally and as good amount as muscle as you can

naturally then I would go to peptides then I go to steroids right so don't be disheartened by this but just know you know what it is know the pathway you're walking down you cannot if you look and

you're the guy that you're aspiring to be like is a guy using steroids right all you're doing right really if if if you're trying to replicate what they're

doing as a natural is you're wasting your time you know you should be looking at natural bodybuilders in the way they they do things and like AU said, they stay lean, they gain size slowly. Exactly what we do with our natural clients. When I got

a client who gets a better out of shape, I don't give a [ __ ] right? Because it's

easy to lose that fat. You can continue to gain muscle on a contest prep. You

can continue to gain muscle on a cut. So

again, please understand, right, that bulking naturally is a long road where you have to have be patient, right, with gaining small amounts of muscle and

really putting a lot of time into it.

When you gain on steroids, it's not about it being quicker. It's just about you're able to go a lot further in a lot less time. It's that simple. Like you

less time. It's that simple. Like you

got to realize, you can think about this. If you do a blast correctly, after

this. If you do a blast correctly, after 15 weeks, you generally could have one to two inches on on your body parts, right? You genuinely could be a lot

right? You genuinely could be a lot stronger. In a natural 15 weeks, you're

stronger. In a natural 15 weeks, you're just getting warmed up. You ain't

getting one to two inches of size. You

ain't packing a load of size on your a lot of strength into onto your lifts. So

this is what it's about to to clear the confusion and give you clarity right on the different pathways. The

doorway that you go through that's your choice right like I say to you should always look to exhaust your natural potential first. Going onto steroids is

potential first. Going onto steroids is a big decision, a massive decision, right? So, just know what you're dealing

right? So, just know what you're dealing with, know the strategy, and what we'll do is we'll make separate videos on actually breaking down the like step by

step client transformations naturally so you can learn and we'll go through blasts and cruise so with guys that I've bulked up on steroids so you can learn from that too. So to give you that extra detail, but this video here is just to

create the separation and understanding of what is it like to bulk as an actual, what's the most effective way? What is

it like to bulk on gear? What's the most effective way?