Chris Sharp comes clean about Clapper & O'Sullivan's UFO Crash Retrieval exploits - Psicoactivo #809

What's up humans and welcome to a newactivo. Happy Saturday everybody.

newactivo. Happy Saturday everybody.

Okay, I hope everybody's doing okay. Uh

especially in the northeast of the US because as I understand there's a really hardcore uh winter storm going on. So

please be safe. Um, today I had a scheduled interview with my next guest.

Uh, and as time wanted it and probably Destiny wanted it, he just released uh, his latest and it's pretty wild. And I

I'm really thankful that I get to talk to him on the same day that he released it because we're going through that and we're going through some of his other work and he's been doing amazing work

for a while now. Um, he's the founder of the Liberation Times and a really good journalist. I want you all to please

journalist. I want you all to please welcome Mr. Christopher Sharp.

>> Hey, man.

>> How you doing, Christopher?

>> I'm good, thank you. I'm doing really, really well. Thank you so much for

really well. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm a really big fan of your of your show and uh yeah, it's cool to see me next to you. So, it's great.

>> Likewise, dude. You're you're amazing and I'm a really big fan of yours, too.

I've covered a bunch of your stuff and today you just released something that I found uh pretty mind-blowing. Uh you do a lot of really mind-blowing stuff

because you seem to have a lot of really insight sources that give you a lot of uh detailed information about what's going on with all of this. But today you

released this and I want to go through it. And let's just start with the title

it. And let's just start with the title if that's okay with you. Um, new

allegations link link former national intelligence leaders Clapper and O Sullivan to UFO shootown and retrieval

program. So um, shootown is the one term

program. So um, shootown is the one term that really alarms me because um, so these guys are shooting these things

down. Um, what do you think about that

down. Um, what do you think about that and how did you uh, come about with this information? How did you start writing

information? How did you start writing about it? What was the process like?

about it? What was the process like?

>> Yeah. No, no, thank thank you very very much. So, obviously I I think I I was

much. So, obviously I I think I I was just very very alarmed when I first heard about these allegations and um it's not like it's just coming from a

single source. You know, I I said the

single source. You know, I I said the article was three sources and you know, it's not like people enjoy telling me

this. Um, and we're talking about people

this. Um, and we're talking about people that know know Clapper as well, let's say, very very well. Um, so very very

alarmed because when you know the credibility of sources talking to you about this, it really brings it home um

about how credible and how seriously these allegations need to be taken. Um I

think always in relation to these stories what happens is um you know usually you'll get approached by one source um who will say look I've got

this story for you um these are the allegations and then what you need to do is you need to then go on a journey of corroboration that that's that's when you know you've got a good story if it

could be corroborated by multiple sources um that aren't always connected that aren't always talking to each other that aren't always, you know, really enthusiastic about kind of confirming

either, let's say. Um, so that's when you know you've got a good story that's, you know, as solid as it can be in relation to this topic. So, um, yeah, I

I just think it's really alarming and I was searching um, you know, I've been working on it for weeks now and I've been searching all this while just for a reason why they're being shot down. Is it because

they're hostile? Is it because, you

they're hostile? Is it because, you know, a treaty has been signed with lever faction that we've got to shoot these things down. Or is it just a bunch of opportunities being that we can take all these things down, let's retrieve

them, let's try and get their technology. But then again, you think to

technology. But then again, you think to yourself, well, actually, if they've just recovered one or two, shouldn't that be enough?

So, there's so many questions that need to be answered when it comes to this.

And um yeah, it's good having a name names attached to them as well in terms of Stephanie Sullivan and um and James Clapper as well.

>> Yeah, loving the France kit by the way.

I wanted to point that out uh because we're we're both football fans. Um and

thank you for wearing that. I I didn't think about wearing one today because I'm like I'm gonna be with Chris Sharp, the journalist, so I got to be presentable, you know, like but thank

you, man. That's really amazing. Um

you, man. That's really amazing. Um

>> I did it for you. I did it for I see I see you wearing cool football shirts.

I'm going to do this for Pavo. You know,

I've got my Ro. I've got this one. Yeah.

So, >> definitely appreciate that. Um I I do want to um continue with this because he's going to focus on James Clapper. Um

a few weeks ago, uh David Grush was on Megan Kelly's show and he ousted basically Clapper as uh one of the crash

retrievals um leaders, so to speak. he

ran one of these programs according to David Grush.

>> Uh General Clapper, the former DNI in the documentary. Um I certainly applaud

the documentary. Um I certainly applaud him for at least speaking out in general. Um he goes on, I believe, I've

general. Um he goes on, I believe, I've only seen clips of agent disclosure, not the whole thing. Um where there was a program when he was the director of national intelligence, uh where they

were tracking these vehicles over Area 51, of course, the famed, uh classified test location. hands. I'm a little bit

test location. hands. I'm a little bit disappointed as a fellow Air Force officer and certainly General Clapper rose to the ranks as three star general.

Uh that's all he said in the documentary that that was uh a program he was aware of. Uh, in fact, uh, without being

of. Uh, in fact, uh, without being inappropriate, I will say that General Clapper was well aware of the crash retrieval issue, managed the crash retrieval issue, and when he was the

DNI, USDI, and DIA director, he placed people in critical roles uh, to manage this issue uh, both publicly and I'll just say not uh, non-publicly as well.

and I'll allow the audience uh distill what I'm saying uh at the at the risk of being inappropriate or going too far with my uh discussion. So, uh General

Clapper, Stephanie Sullivan, other folks in the IC that are well aware of this issue that were in rooms discussing this issue. Um I ask you to be uh greater

issue. Um I ask you to be uh greater leaders on this. I should not be the only former uh military officer and intelligence official uh that is uh

being completely candid with the information that they were exposed to.

So um perhaps >> once again James Clapper understates what he knows and what he's done.

>> A new year means >> you got uh detailed information about this of um Clapper's uh connections that go back all the way back to Bobby Ray

Inman. I started out extremely skeptical

Inman. I started out extremely skeptical about this whole thing. I thought this was just rubbish from the tabloids. But

I was surprised to find thousands of US government documents from intelligence agencies that tended to indicate that there was a little bit more to this than met the eye. So I went to seek guidance

from the various highest levels of the United States intelligence community and uh I was quite alarmed at what I was able to learn. Now, we are in this report that that we're now going to

show, we're going to hear a conversation featuring you. Tell me the context of

featuring you. Tell me the context of that conversation. Well, I had contacted

that conversation. Well, I had contacted Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, who was the head of the National Security Agency in the United States, uh deputy director at CIA, director of naval intelligence and

and a variety of intelligence post, uh a technologist, and uh clearly someone that if this was really uh accurate, that there really were UFOs and uh

nonhuman intelligence around, uh this is a man who had to know. So I was able to contact him thanks to a contact through Admiral Lord Hill Norton here in the uh

UK. Uh and this conversation he

UK. Uh and this conversation he alarmingly uh not only indicated that uh these issues were covered under national secrecy laws but that the United States government did in fact have possession

of the hardware associated with this. In

other words, this was an actual physical phenomenon as to >> a craft, a spaceship, >> several of them, and they were in operational condition, which I assume suggested that they had been in contact, that they had been given these craft for

some reason or another, cuz they certainly weren't crashed vehicles.

>> Do do you uh anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would ever be uh become available for uh technological

research outside of the uh military circles? Again, I honestly don't know.

circles? Again, I honestly don't know.

>> Uh 10 years ago, the answer would have been no.

>> Whether as time has evolved, they're beginning to become more open on it is a possibility.

>> A short time later, Bob Exler received this call.

>> Mr. Aler, this is Tom King in Admiral Inman's office. Yes, you would be

Inman's office. Yes, you would be breaching confidence and/or violation of the security laws and discussing his involvement in any matter.

I heard what you said earlier, but obviously the big problem always is the picture.

>> Um could you speak a little bit on that?

Uh shall we start on that first and then move up?

>> Yeah. Yeah. So um what what I did was actually I bought um Clapper's book which he released I think in 2018 2019

and in that you can see the connections with Inman and I believe it was um I think it was early 80s um where he started a role with the NSA and he was

basically like an intermediary between Bobby Ray Yinman and um who was at the NSA at the time and um another senior um

a senior person in the US Air Force. So

he was kind of like a go-between and you know he got to see Inman up closely and got to know him quite well. And you know even when you look at the NSA scandal

you know when he basically lied in relation to what the NSA was doing um Inman was kind of like even you know standing up for him then. So, you know,

it was quite clear that I could get the impression that Inman and Clapper know each other personally. They've known

each other for decades. Um, you know, and another one of the things that Crush stated as well is that um Dick Cheney um is basically the head guy when it came

to this stuff, the mob boss. And again,

you know, that relationship went back decades. I found an old interview with

decades. I found an old interview with Dick Cheney. All this news that the US

Dick Cheney. All this news that the US uh conducted surveillance on our own allies. Some of the documents

allies. Some of the documents >> um posted by or leaked by Edward Snowden uh to the media indicate that these programs started in 2002. Um why spy on

an ally?

>> Um Jake, if there were such a program, it would be classified and I couldn't talk about it. It' be totally inappropriate and I haven't been in the loop now obviously for more than four years. So, it's uh just one of those

years. So, it's uh just one of those subjects I couldn't discuss.

>> Without getting specific, on a theoretical basis, what is the interest of the United States in conducting surveillance on a country or a leader who is a clear ally of the United States?

>> Um, I've I've got to go with the answer I've given you. Let me let me say this.

We do have um a fantastic intelligence capability worldwide against all kinds of of potential issues and concerns. Um

we are vulnerable as was shown on 911 and um you never know what you're going to need when you need it. The fact is we do collect a lot of intelligence and without speaking about any particular

target or group of targets uh that intelligence capability is enormously important to the United States to our conduct of foreign policy um to defense

matters uh to economic matters and um I I'm a strong supporter of it. again

relating to the NSA stuff. He didn't see anything wrong with what um was happening with the NSA basically tapping into what people were were like conversations and stuff and um yeah

again like he confirmed that he met Clapper 23 25 years prior in Korea which would be over 30 years ago now. So yeah,

you just look at all these relationships and these connections and stuff and you think, well actually this kind of makes it even more plausible because all these different nodes know each other.

>> Yeah. And uh we can talk about these two guys as well because uh it's not just Clapper. uh when the Age of Disclosure

Clapper. uh when the Age of Disclosure documentary came out and I saw that uh both John Brennan and him were involved in the film and knowing what they have

been involved with the whole James Snowden stuff and the spying on people uh problem and that they uh objectively

lied uh under oath about that. Um I

thought I was like why would they be involved in this? And then when David Grush came out to say what he said on Megan Kelly, it sort of makes made sense. So, uh, I wanted to ask you

sense. So, uh, I wanted to ask you though, what do you think about their involvement in Age of Disclosure? And,

um, how do you think, um, the recent statements from Grush affect people like these two um, when it comes to this

Amnesty, uh, proposal that H of Disclosure is is seeking?

Well, well, I guess would make sense if you're shooting down UAP, um, and you're lying about it as well.

Um, which they may have well done. Um,

there's obviously some really dirty stuff happening and they may want amnesty. There's two sides to this. You

amnesty. There's two sides to this. You

know, there's one camp who are basically saying that look, you know, they're speaking about it. You know, no one else is doing this at a senior position. At

least they're saying something. whereas

others are keeping their mouth shut. And

then there's others basically saying actually they've done a lot of bad stuff. Um and obviously they're just

stuff. Um and obviously they're just looking for a way out. But then again in my mind I'm thinking well actually they're quite old now. I mean

so I I don't know if in terms of amnesty I mean how long have they been looking at their soul now? Both of them are you know how many years they really have left. Um, so yeah, it's this is

left. Um, so yeah, it's this is something I'm still trying to navigate in terms of reasons why. Is it just amnesty? Is it amnesty just of them or

amnesty? Is it amnesty just of them or is it other younger people involved as well maybe? Um, so that's something I'm

well maybe? Um, so that's something I'm actively exploring. Um and

actively exploring. Um and yeah, so it's it's an interesting thing and um yeah, people there do seem to be

some people who think that those two are basically running a muck um whilst in senior positions running this UFO stuff and doing all sorts of illegal

activities. Again, this is something I

activities. Again, this is something I need to have a look into um seeing if it's true. And um yeah, it's interesting

it's true. And um yeah, it's interesting because I mean John Brennan definitely has an interest. You know, he's done an interview before I believe as well there's something on the CIA's website

which basically says that in the early 90s he requested a briefing on UFOs when he was working within the agency when he was starting out, John Brennan. So um

yeah, he's obviously had an interest in this for a very very long time as well.

And yeah, they worked with each other.

>> Yeah. And um well if you think about these uh this term of majestic you know and the the quote unquote deep state it sort of feels like people like Q and for

example UP Gerb and um David Grush's statements uh it sort of feels like they might be at least adjacent to today's

iteration of said fabled group. Would

you agree with that?

>> Yeah. Yeah. And it

doesn't look as organized as you think it might do. I mean, it's very compartmented, I suppose, how it how it works. It's a bunch of thiefs and stuff.

works. It's a bunch of thiefs and stuff.

And um if and there's different allegiances, you know, you'll notice like when you're in the UAP topic, you know, if you go into the Navy stuff, some

people start to get really really upset.

It's like, "No, no, let's focus on the Air Force. Let's focus on the Air Force.

Air Force. Let's focus on the Air Force.

Don't focus on the Navy." And um yeah, there's all those kinds of things happening, you know, so everyone's got their own different turf and there's all different kind of games happening and

stuff. So it's um it does look like

stuff. So it's um it does look like there is this kind of um group and I just want to know where that is now.

Obviously we know that you know Todd Low Lowry for instance is the current um deputy director of the CIA science and

technology um director. Um, funnily

enough, he was actually, from my understanding, I may need to confirm this, maybe be able to confirm this for me, he was um the an acting

um under secretary of defense for intelligence and security under under Mattis as well. Um so so

then that starts it starts you thinking actually that there seems to be a connection between CIA's um science and technology

directorate and the office of the under secretary of defense for intelligence and security. starts that train of

and security. starts that train of thought because we know that Clapper before he became um director of national intelligence was actually fulfilling

that role um under the the late Bush administration. So um that that's

administration. So um that that's definitely of interest because you know we all remember that when um the AIMSG as it was known at the time before it

became the arrow which is the UFO office um that was um put up by Gillibrand and um you know that's the the office that it was based in was the office of the

under secretary of defense for intelligence and security and that is still responsible as well for the administration of this. So it's kind of like if there is involvement on UFO

programs between that office um and the director of science and technology you're basically placing

the arrow within the hornets's nest itself because there is well that's something I'm actively looking as well.

So you know all these connections go into your head when when you're working on stories like this.

>> Yeah. And people like they haven't been paying attention I think to how embedded the Navy is in all of this. And you were

just saying that um the uh DNI which is the defense of national intelligence or department of national intelligence of

the Navy. Um I think that the Navy has

the Navy. Um I think that the Navy has been uh crossing the seas for like way longer than the Air Force. They existed

for way longer than the air force and uh these UFOs uh and the USO activity has been reported since like hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Uh people have

seen lights in the sky and objects coming in and out and all that. So I

would think that they know a lot more than they uh give out or they uh we assume that they do. Uh do you agree with that too?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, you look at um you look at things kind of we brought out relating to the relationship between the Navy and the

CIA and UFO programs to National Underwater Reconnaissance Office, you know, and um when you're talking about that, a lot of your my sources are telling me about, you know, I operation

Ivy Bells um which was a classified US Navy CIA and NSA mission during the Cold War to tap into um Soviet um undersea communication cables.

And um and then you kind of like look at that and actually you know back in 1975 um it was Dick Cheney who was kind of like dealing with the

fallout relating to that. So you kind of like see these um people like Dick Cheney and Clapper Inman deeply embedded

in these kind of like um these complexes involving CIA, NSA and um you know DoD components because that's where it always it's a nexus you

know these connections between all these entities you know it's um and if someone's kind of got like an oversight of all those connections where they fit in that makes them a really really good

candidate to like know about the UAP topic.

>> Yeah. And and you named a program too uh where this lady uh is involved um um Miss O Sullivan and uh the Golden Domes.

Can you explain that a little bit please?

>> Yeah. Yeah. So um Stephanie O Sullivan um so very very interesting person. um

started out as a um she was an ocean I think it was an ocean engineer um was yeah an ocean engineer and she

responded to a classified ad um in a newspaper u while she was spending a lot of time at the Chesapeake Bay which is also incidentally where Pat's um where

Pax River is and a lot of UAP activities on the Chesapeake Bayum so she spending a lot of her time there, sees an ad for this job, gets a job at TRW, which is

being swallowed up by Norfick Grumman now, and that's kind of like how she got her in within the intelligence world.

You know, she's working for the Office of Naval Intelligence. Um and then she starts working for CIA and that's when she gets within the um director of

science and technology and is allegedly involved in this program called Golden

Domes which is to bring down um UAP um by by by different means basically um electronically

um it's basically a mixture of electronic and laser based capability.

this is intended to bring down um UAP and it was basically saying that you know as part of this program um they're

able to kind of like you know track and detect UAP as they actually like manifest which is really really interesting when you think about that

and um you know I I'm trying to get more information on that what does it mean by manifest and you've always these lingering questions, but I'm at a place now with my journalism where I'm just

like on the boundaries, you know, sources don't really want to further give me further information. You're

knocking on that door. And um yeah, it's um it's a difficult place because I I'm I'm dying for more answers when it comes to this. But I I think as part of this

to this. But I I think as part of this program as well, I mean I I won't say too much, but I would say as part of this program in terms of using those

laser based and electronic capabilities, I would say there was a lot there was a lot of fallout when it came to that as well, you know, and I'd mentioned Stephanie Sullivan's hearing. Um, let me

let me use that as example. When it was her hearing, they were talking about um I think it's called Operation Airbridge Denial. Have you ever heard of airbridge

Denial. Have you ever heard of airbridge denial before?

>> No, I haven't.

>> It is basically a um CIA program working with a bunch of other components for the US government like the DoD to um tackle the the drug traffic coming from Peru

going to Colombia um in particular the aircraft. So a lot of it was basically

aircraft. So a lot of it was basically you know tackling them and taking down aircraft when they needed to. And um

funny enough um well actually it became a big thing because I think it was 2001 the CIA um with the help of the

Peruvians took down what they thought was a a drug kind of like smuggling aircraft but it ended up being a civilian aircraft with a US citizen on board and they end up killing her and I

think her child as well and the aircraft got down and that was horrific. And

because of that there was a whole inquiry into um this whole program that been run saying look how often has this happened you know

where else have has due process not being met? Have you lied to Congress

being met? Have you lied to Congress about it? and they were looking up other

about it? and they were looking up other incidences and um it was quite funny because it was CI CIA inspector general

that investigated it but I believe that she was kind of like headed up this unit to make sure that like people within the CIA was brought to justice. So she was kind of like heading up to a certain

extent as well Stephanie O. Sullivan.

And the funny thing about that is that you know we we know Jonathan Wagent and the um Peruvian UAP crash where he bies

and stuff and um >> that was operation laser strike that fell under this whole program which

was run by the CIA. So it was part of that. So when you look at the inquiry,

that. So when you look at the inquiry, you see that in March 1997, which I believe is when the Jonathan Wagant um

kind of like sighting happened, um something was shot down over Peruvian airspace.

And um yeah, it's in the CIA files. Um

obviously they're going to say it's a drug aircraft or something like that.

And you know, currently we're looking into it um to see if we can get some video. But I guess my overarching point

video. But I guess my overarching point here is that when you start shooting at stuff in the sky, especially when it comes to UAP and stuff, there's going to be accidents as well, let's say, is

going to happen. So I think part of this in terms of amnesty, you know, is basically because wrongdoings may have happened as well as part of this accidents may have

happened, people may have got hurt. So

I think that's part of the secrecy as well. You know, if Stephanie O Sullivan

well. You know, if Stephanie O Sullivan had told Marco Rubio that there was such a thing, there was such such a program, you know, all of a sudden it's an

investigation into what did you do? What

wrongdoings did you do? And she may be looking at jail time potentially if there was something to these allegations and if there was some wrongdoing. So

yeah, you start to get into a whole different realm here, you know. So um

very interesting but um also quite distressing as well potentially.

>> Yeah. And um just to re remember though because um I I asked you about Bobby Rainman. Um he promoted he promoted

Rainman. Um he promoted he promoted Clapper in 1980. What didn't he?

>> Yes. So he like um preided over his um promotion. So it was something that um

promotion. So it was something that um Clapper was offered the opportunity to do. He served under um Immin in doing it

do. He served under um Immin in doing it and he basically he he's lavish his praise on K on Imman. He just sees him

as this amazing person basically and it's very very evident that they have some form of relation which I think is quite close. They're working together.

quite close. They're working together.

He was in into you know the intermediate between um between the air force guy he was dealing with who was quite senior

and um and inman. So it suggests to me that you know knowledge may have been passed around. this could have been the

passed around. this could have been the way that he could have got into the UAP stuff, you know, and obviously we know that the NSA, you know, there's allegations about them

as well in terms of project preser preserve um destiny, this kind of alleged program which is relating to communications of non-human

intelligences. So, you get you get

intelligences. So, you get you get hooked onto that one now. And it's um yeah, there's a deep rabbit hole that you can go down with all this stuff, you

know. Um and then obviously, you know,

know. Um and then obviously, you know, he then had Inman who told um the the UFO researcher, is it Osler? Bob. Um

Osler.

>> Um >> yeah, Osler.

>> Osler. Yeah. um that you know the best person to go to in terms of UAP stuff in terms of the retrievalss and stuff would

be um would be Heman who was in the 1980s the equivalent to what Stephanie Sullivan was the deputy director of um science and technology. So there's so

many different strands, you know, that you go and there's so many collections.

Um, so yeah, it's um it's definitely of interest and um the allegation is that, you know, Clapper been doing this for

some time. Um definitely when he was um

some time. Um definitely when he was um the under secretary of um when he when when he was in the um uh

when he was in the DoD as the under secretary for um you know security and intelligence um it was going back then but you know it may have gone back further as well in

terms of how long he's been involved working in this um along with the CIA.

Um so yeah and he was very very good friends with um with Robert Gates as well. That's something else that kind of

well. That's something else that kind of was very very clearly evident um when reading his book. Um so you know Robert Gates another kind of high ranking

person who' been in a position to know um 15th director of the central intelligence um agency. So yeah, again,

um agency. So yeah, again, someone of interest, you know, that I'm interested in finding more about. So,

um yeah there's so many like places you can go with this story, aren't there? It's, uh,

>> Oh, yeah. And you put together a well-rounded list, um, uh, timed like, uh, chronologically of the, uh, science and technology, um, directorate and that

in that article. And,

>> um, I think that people should go to that article. I'm going to link in the

that article. I'm going to link in the description. so so they can see it. Um,

description. so so they can see it. Um,

I also want to ask you about somebody who's also mentioned here who was also involved uh with Clapper uh who was

David Grush's attorney, his former inspector general Charles McCulla. And

um and I and I ask you about him because uh recently on weaponized with Jeremy and George um Dylan Borland spoke about

his interaction with them and how he was treated. um he was basically told after

treated. um he was basically told after delivering what he was going to deliver in terms of information that he couldn't talk about it that this was now classified effectively and that if he

talked about it he was going to go to jail. Um having uncovered now what you

jail. Um having uncovered now what you uncovered uh where does his position stand now with his affiliation with Clapper and also with the way in which

he treated somebody like Dylan Borland who has been mistreated for over a decade. to sell my vehicles. I had

decade. to sell my vehicles. I had

pulled my 401k at this point because I knew I was done. I had filed for unemployment, which they denied me for.

And on the way home, I total my car and there was a police investigation. And

the police had told me in confidence that my brake lines were cut. They

wanted it to look like a suicide, which goes into what the VA was doing with me and the medical issues and the doctors that resign and all that.

>> So, you leave somewhere you were at.

Next thing you know, you're pushing your your brake to the floor, total the car, but you're able to get home. Y

>> and you get home and then of course the police see the car totalled and they they wonder, "Were you sober? Is

everything okay?" And you invite them over, said, "Come do a breathalyzer."

>> Yep.

>> They said, "Well, it's going to take a while."

while." >> Yep.

>> Um we're going to contact you tomorrow.

And then the lead investigative uh officer in that case physically comes to your home.

>> Yep. and warns you that somebody tried to kill you. Your brake lines were cut.

>> He verbatim said, "The only reason I'm not charging you with a crime is because your brake lines were cut."

>> I'm not charging for a crime cuz your brake lines were cut.

>> Is there a police report?

>> There is a police report of the total of car and there's a police report of what I said to the officer, which is I went out with a friend who worked for the agency. I had two, three drinks playing

agency. I had two, three drinks playing pool over the night. Had some wings on the way home. Car total.

>> Does it say in any police report your break lines were cut? I have been searching for it. No. And this is what sucks is this is the most damning. And I

know what was said to me. And this is the only thing out of all the craziness that I do have evidence to that you guys have seen these weird

uh polygraph tests and VA tests and all this. But the police report verbatim

this. But the police report verbatim saying that my brake lines were cut. I

am still trying to get proof of.

>> Yeah. I mean he knew all these people you know like when he was representing brush I think he did have some knowledge you know he worked with Clapper he had firsthand interactions with both Clapper

and O Sullivan so he knew what was going on within um w you know within the office of the director of um of intelligence so he he knew what was

going on you know there's pictures of him with a Sullivan as well you know he would have been in a position to potentially know what was going on and from my understanding what happened was

that when the um you know the email hacks started happening in relation to um to Hillary Clinton and Podesta, >> the Wikileaks.

>> Wikileaks. Yeah. He took he took he took the fall for that um from my understanding. So seems to me that he's

understanding. So seems to me that he's someone, you know, who does kind of like think actually I'd be mistreated as well as Ml, >> you know, in his case. Um, I don't know

if that directly relates to Clapper or anything, but um, yeah, it seems to me that he knows very well what's what was going on. You know, he was dealing with

going on. You know, he was dealing with these people day in day out, you know, um, he's a serious person as well. So,

if there was nothing to this, you know, he would know straight away and he would just leave it alone. But the fact that he's actually had firsthand interactions, he knows these people personally, and I'm betting Clapp's

name's been out there for a long, long time. Um, it tells you something. It

time. Um, it tells you something. It

adds more kind of like credibility to this whole thing. The fact that he's involved, you know. So, um, but yeah, in terms of Dylan, you know, and, um, and

Dave and and and Matt Brown, you know, um, you know, I'd say this that that there there are people like, um, like

like Clapper, um, and other high ranking people, let's say, and people who who have, you know, well off, let's say, as well, they're fine. You know, if they get

they're fine. You know, if they get amnesty, that they're fine. What about

the people that are kind of like lower down the chain who spoke out and now you know no one will employ them or they've had their security clearances taken away

and they're left with nothing. What what

happens what happens to those people now? They kind of get left behind and

now? They kind of get left behind and they've been treated badly as well. Like

so what do they get as part of this? You

know what what's the deal with them? you

know, so if we're talking about amnesty for the people who kind of like inflicted all these horrible things upon the likes of Matthew Brown and um and Dylan and

Dave, what about those guys? What about

the victims? What what do they get? I

think there needs to be a conversation about that. And I think that, you know,

about that. And I think that, you know, if there is going to be a new UAP disclosure act that that needs to kind of like be covered as well in terms of what's going to happen to these

whistleblowers. They need to get some

whistleblowers. They need to get some form of compensation at least.

>> Yeah. And I was going to ask you about that specifically because recently you made a tweet where you uh talk about uh people like them being cornered and

feeling like they're completely left on their own and ostracized and demonized.

And even um I dare say some of the people that are involved in the control disclosure movement uh they don't seem to be paying much attention to people

like Dylan or Matthew. And when Matthew was supposed to be uh at the hearing in November 2024, um he wasn't there. Um I know that this was like a sort of like a technical uh

reason why he wasn't there. It was like a strategic decision, but um he's still been treated like [ __ ] honestly. And uh

about Dylan too, like Dylan claims that his bra lines were cut off at a certain point. So that's attempt at attempted

point. So that's attempt at attempted murder, you know, and yeah, uh I think that the conversation needs to go there.

What about the the ostracized ones? What

about those who don't have businesses?

Like for example, um I don't know, Jake Barber has businesses as far as I understand. He he doesn't have that

understand. He he doesn't have that problem of, you know, suffering from either being blacklisted or not having

any type of money to uh to to coexist to uh live and they're just ignoring them.

And yeah, I do agree with you that the conversation needs to go there. And I

just think um because um Jeff Nutelli at Soul uh just this past uh Soul conference, he said something really interesting about Dylan Borland being

sort of like a dead man switch of multiple people.

>> Let me give a little bit of background.

I'm going to speak about my good very good friend Dylan Borland and how he got involved and maybe that'll give you some context about the seriousness of the situation.

So there are many whistleblowers that are not known. Um

they have been in this fight for 13 years on their own. They have uh lost their clearances.

They went through incredible harassment at work.

They lost their livelihoods. Uh

destroyed their their social networks. Some of them ended up

social networks. Some of them ended up divorced and alone and broken and many of those individuals are still in that state now and they don't have anywhere

to go.

So Dylan knows many of these people and he has been supporting them. They have a network and a few years ago things got so serious that they believed that they

were in their lives were in very serious jeopardy and the plan that they had formulated to protect themselves.

Dylan was what you call the dead man switch. He volunteered that if the

switch. He volunteered that if the situation got to the point where they felt that they their lives were in danger that Dylan would be the one to

come forward and disclose and this would be the equivalent of catastrophic disclosure from these unknown whistleblowers.

So Dylan did that. He is the most reluctant whistleblower I think probably in history.

So Dylan went to Congress with the information.

He told Congress what was happening and what they feared was going to happen to their friends and families.

Congress tried to help and they sent him to Arrow and then things got bad. So

what happened was Dylan gave his testimony. He told them everything from

testimony. He told them everything from the beginning about his childhood, his life, everything he had seen, all the

details. And then when he was done, they

details. And then when he was done, they said, "Thank you. We're classifying this top secret, and you can never speak

about it to anyone." And the only person that can declassify it, it would have to come from the executive branch. So,

thank you for the information.

Now shut up and never speak again because your life will be over. You will

go to prison. You will be charged with espionage.

Right? We might seek the death penalty.

And then he had to go to the inspector general and things got worse and things continued to get worse. the

more he tried to help, the more he tried to protect his friends, the more pressure they applied.

And he's been dealing with with that for 13 years. So I think what the hell is

13 years. So I think what the hell is Dylan sitting on? And if they're they keep treating him like this, I I wouldn't do that. if he really is

sitting on something, I would probably listen to what he has to say and try to help him out so he can get out of the situation he's currently in. Wouldn't

you agree?

>> Yeah, absolutely. You know, and this is why Liberation Times, this is why I do what I do, you know, with the voice of the whistleblowers. Um, you know, I've

the whistleblowers. Um, you know, I've always liked the underdog and I I want to tell these people's stories. I want

to help them. Um yeah, definitely they need help and they are being cornered right now and the momentum seems to have stopped. Um

stopped. Um I would say that there have been threats which you probably aware of as well to staffers

within the Senate Intel Committee. Um,

and I'm just hoping that anyone who has been affected is rebuilding their lives because what happened was serious. I

don't know that if that's the reason why momentum has stopped. I don't know whether that's the reason why Gillibbrand rounds and everyone like that have basically stopped really being

interested in this topic anymore. maybe

a force down because right now it seems like they've been abandoned by the Senate, by the House. You know, the the first UAP hearing for like decades

happened within the intelligence committee within the House. Now, you

know, then all of a sudden that goes to a Republican committee when Democrats lose control. You have Mike Turner and

lose control. You have Mike Turner and he's kind of like the anti kind of like disclosure guy. Um whereas in Democratic

disclosure guy. Um whereas in Democratic control, you know, they were really open towards hearing about the topic, but that's a no-go area now. Um and also that, you know, all the other

committees, they're just no go areas.

The chairs aren't interested. Um Mike

Browns didn't even seem to know that the um UAP Disclosure Act hadn't been included within the National Defense Authorization Act. He didn't seem to

Authorization Act. He didn't seem to realize it hadn't been included, but at least within the Senate version. So it

just tells me that there's just not that much interest in it anymore and I just feel heartbroken for people like Dylan because you know apart from you know um

representative Berles Burchett and Luna you know who is looking out for them and I really do praise those representatives but at the end of the day just um it just seems to me that they've just been

um they've just been abandoned by these um by by these powerful representatives who can move the needle. with

legislation within the Intelligence Authorization Act and the National Defense Authorization Act, you know, and as well I'd point out as well that that the Trump administration, if Donald

Trump wanted disclosure, and if you know, his staff wanted disclosure, all they would do is pick up the phone or the chief of staff would pick up the phone, you know, call up the u

call up the the gang of eight leadership within um the House and Senate saying, "Look, it's your priority now to force through the UAP disclosure act." you

know, or if he doesn't do that, Trump would do it, you know, for an executive order. But but that's not happened.

order. But but that's not happened.

That's not happened at all. Um, so I just feel they just feel really really let down. And I think as well that

let down. And I think as well that before Trump um became president, there did seem some to be some expectations that he would take action, but that's not happened. And it kept on being told,

not happened. And it kept on being told, you know, advocates kept on being told, look, oh, you President Trump has lots on his plate at the moment. And you

could argue that he's creating most of the problems if anything and it basically always keeps on being pushed back. You know, I would say as well that

back. You know, I would say as well that part of the secrecy is actually within the White House itself. Look, there's

different offices within the White House and I would say that people should start looking in those places right under Trump's nose because that's where a lot of the secrecy is as well. You know, we remember Gary Nolan being threatened

basically being threatened with being killed by someone within the White House. You know, we remember Mark

House. You know, we remember Mark Andreas being told again by someone within the White House that you know, they um basically classified a whole um

section of um nuclear energy and they could do the same with AI as well. So,

who are these people in the White House making these threats as well? You know,

these are we've got to look at these seemingly boring positions, these boring offices are actually, you know, they carry weight.

>> Yeah. And um when Trump uh decided to move in on Venezuela, um somebody who was very vocal about supporting the UFO topic was Tulsi Gabbert, the director of national

intelligence, and she was seemingly left out of that whole operation. Um I don't know uh what to think of that though, but how did you see all that playing

out? And um do you think that they're

out? And um do you think that they're they could be leaving her out of other things such as this topic maybe?

>> Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think she seems a little bit well or very disconnected from the the rest of the um the the um the administration and

cabinet members. Um so yeah, I I I would

cabinet members. Um so yeah, I I I would say that's definitely a possibility. I

know that her office is um looking into the UAP topic. they're doing their investigation.

We don't know what way that's going to go. It could be good news, could be bad

go. It could be good news, could be bad news. All I would say is that, you know,

news. All I would say is that, you know, be prepared for Arrow to launch one final assault. you know what they'll do

final assault. you know what they'll do next, what they're going to do next. You

know, if we are kind of arguing here that, you know, the um the antibodies in terms of who want to keep the disclosure um

if they want to keep the secrecy going that, you know, they've nullified the press, they've nullified, you know, New York Times and, you know, the bigger

publications no longer report on this topic. um that they they've nullified um

topic. um that they they've nullified um the the key Senate and um the House figures potentially if it does turn out that they kind of staying away from this

because of threats. Um and I I would say their next target would probably likely be Berles, Luna, and Bett. They want

those to that that's the next target.

They they basically want them to shut up. So maybe what they would do is they

up. So maybe what they would do is they they'll try to find some dirt on someone, release another damaging story just to kind of like make top the topic

kryptonite to them or something or you know I don't know something else try to embarrass them just just anything. I I

think that's their next target. They

just want anything to kind of um this is all to die down. Um and the flame is being kept alive at the moment by mostly by those three representatives.

>> Yeah.

>> Stop doing hearings. Stop looking into this.

>> That's that's I think that's what they want to do now. That's the next step.

>> Yeah. Fortunately, there's still independent media like you, like um uh channels like this one that are going to keep being very loud. And we're not

going to stop, are we?

>> No. No, we're not. But the thing is that, you know, about two or three years ago when when I started doing when when I did a story like this, the expectation was that, you know, we're on a

trajectory somewhere, you know, this was all going to come out that when you um allegations like this out in stories, the next step would be that, you know, it's going to be verified sooner or

later um as the Senate, you know, gets into its investigation and it just died away. So now you think you you could

away. So now you think you you could release any story on UAP now mostly and it just won't lead anywhere, you know, because the the news cycle and the way

that the media works now, it just like it's it's like Tik Tok, you know, you're doom scrolling, you're on to one and then you're >> your attention gets taken. This is what happens. And the administration knows

happens. And the administration knows this as well that, you know, there could be a bad news story today, but look, oh, hey, we're going to launch air strikes on Iran. remember that bad story that

on Iran. remember that bad story that happened there? Well, that's gone away

happened there? Well, that's gone away now in the news agenda. All sudden, this other story is taking the top top news.

So, this is the thing because it keeps on shuffling from one bit of drama to another, they they know that they can get away with this kind of stuff and if they don't want to prioritize UAP, no

matter how bad the story is, they can get away with it by kind of distracting the media and distracting the public.

Can we explore and brainstorm a little bit about that? Because um I'm a media analyst. I was trained like that uh in

analyst. I was trained like that uh in college and something that I see that happened already is that during the election cycle um the podcast circuit

with Joe Rogan and Theo Bond and all of these people, they effectively helped elect President Trump. So that proved to

me that there is a lot of strength in new media like them and that is independent media as well. And I mean you and I like we're really small when it comes to this and the topic is also

very small when it comes to uh the overarching uh aspect of life in general. But when channels like that

general. But when channels like that like like Tucker Carlson as well, like Joe Rogan do report on stories like this

one, that does create a massive impact.

So if I think about the way in which I would counter a lot of what's going on right now, it would be to go to places like that because those are not

corrupted yet as far as I know. Um how

would you see that? Do do you agree with that as well?

Uh well well firstly I'd say that look um the the intelligence community and the CIA and whatnot you know they had a lot of traction with the old media New

York Times you know there allegations that there were embedded reporters basically and um you owed favors stories and stuff you would lose access if you reported on

this story so they had a lot of control over that so I do believe that there's an influence campaign over this new media as well in terms of um potential podcast. You know,

we there's a video of someone who I think from the CIA who was basically saying how they could >> Mr. Hughes.

>> Yeah, I think that was it. He was

basically saying that this is how you could influence a podcaster to kind of like do your bidding. Um but also, you know, I think I think there's something

going on when it comes to this as well in terms of influencing the agenda. Um

potentially um you know, the the last kind of like revolution in news, you could argue before the podcast and stuff was um online media and Google all of a

sudden, you know, you had um everything every news story you could search, you know, possibly want to search for at your fingertips. Well, what happened

your fingertips. Well, what happened when we released the um Office of Global Access story in the Daily Mail? All of a sudden, you know, you're getting these results on Google basically saying,

"Look, this is a new story. Um do you trust a news source? ask yourself these questions. It's basically providing like

questions. It's basically providing like a warning when it comes to this. And

they did the same thing as well when um I think it was um over plant 42 in California um about two years ago when UFOs are spotted in the sky. When that

story is reported, the same the same message and then you find out well actually um CIA u former CIA people former CIA people um

are part of Google's trust and safety team. So, okay. So, why are they why are

team. So, okay. So, why are they why are they there? And also Stephanie O

they there? And also Stephanie O Sullivan as well. Stephanie O. Sullivan

used to be an adviser to Google. So,

you've got all these people kind of like within the intelligence community who are kind of like they're on top of this.

You know, it's their plan basically to make sure that um they've got control over all these new kind of like media platforms and stuff. And it wouldn't

surprise me if they did the same with podcasts as well. Um, you know, and being involved in politics myself, which I have for a long time, you know, I do

coms and stuff and, um, I know how the, you know, I know how I'd respond, you know, in a podcast, you know, you just, yeah, I'll look into this. Give it, give a throwaway answer

this. Give it, give a throwaway answer or something, you know, um, enough to get elected basically enough to kind of like get people to vote for you just because they think you're going to do

something about this, you know. And, you

know, we used to call it humoring people, you know. one of my colleagues, Claire, that I used to work with who was a a counselor and she always used to say, "Yeah, you got to humor people."

Or, you know, if someone was basically um if they someone wasn't being honest with you or and they were trying to keep you occupied and they're trying to keep you sweet or something, they're humoring

you. And that's what happens sometimes,

you. And that's what happens sometimes, you know. Um um it could be that you

you know. Um um it could be that you know someone wants to set up a task force to look into UFOs and stuff and you're like okay well you have this task force you just humor them you know

nothing's ever really going to get done we're not going to provide you any power to you know get the main witnesses in.

Um, so essentially, well, you don't sound that optimistic about things as a as a media uh

personality, but essentially what you're sort of telling me is that if we go back in history to the times when um Project Mockingbird was uncovered and and it was

allegedly taken down, right, out of commission. Uh it sort of feels like it

commission. Uh it sort of feels like it didn't really and that it in the new era um it morphed into something that was

became embedded into social media. Um do

you think that's the case? I I would think so. Right. Uh that's what you're

think so. Right. Uh that's what you're basically um signaling to.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I would say that um you know I can't speak of exactly what they're doing, but you know the um was it the Wall Street Journal article with Joel Shepman? I mean, h how

how on earth do you get away with kind of like having a story of so many verifiable inaccuracies without at least having to kind of like

do a correction, you know, or an apology or anything like that? And it's just h how how do you get like that? You know,

what it just doesn't make sense to me, you know, because in the UK, you know, if a journalist makes a mistake in a in a newspaper, like they have a corrections page like the next day or something, you know, and they say that

this wrong.

>> I mean, it's just standard practice, you know, and on a story like this with so many inaccuracies. What I so much just

many inaccuracies. What I so much just doesn't make sense when it comes to that. And again, you know, a story like

that. And again, you know, a story like that, it's just used as cover, you know, by representatives and stuff. Well,

actually, you know, as this story says, it's all being taken care of. And,

>> you know, a journalist doesn't really get much opportunity um to actually like interrogate them on that in in terms of all the details and stuff. It's just

>> Yeah. And there's there's also the um conflicts of interest that are very blatant. like the lady who wrote that

blatant. like the lady who wrote that story as well. She has a family member from one of the aerospace companies or Ken Clippenstein who wrote the article

against Grush. His father uh worked for

against Grush. His father uh worked for the do DOE. So, um there's always that it's there's always something like that that happens. It's like it can't be a

that happens. It's like it can't be a coincidence, especially if it keeps happening right?

>> Yeah. No, it can't it can't be a coincidence when it comes like that. I I

mean I just I'm just beside myself right now in terms of what's happened to the UAP topic since it started. New York Times.

New York Times refuses to report on it.

You know, they tried to get Washington Post to report on the grtoryy didn't want to report on it. I mean

despite the fact that was such a big story you know it's just like and this is the thing you know we may argue that these old media institutions they don't have as much sway anymore but

they they kind of like do especially when it comes to like politicians and stuff you know um you know in the UK we have something that we refer to as a

Westminster bubble um and like all the politicians and stuff they all listen to the same radio shows they'll um read the same newspapers and you know when it's

on one of their radio shows or when it's when one of their newspapers that they trust that they see as serious you know that's when they start taking action when it comes so

>> it's still really deflating to me just to see where we've come from you know like in the last three years so it's just been like one

defeat after another in terms of what's been happening Um, yeah, it's we're not we're not in a good situation at all at the moment, I'm afraid. Um, I do hope something comes out. Who knows? We've

got an unpredictable president in the White House, but at the moment, I I'm pretty optimistic.

>> Yeah, it seems like that. But, um, I would ask you to not give up, man, because, uh, there's a lot of new people coming into the space and there's people with a lot of influence that are coming

into the space and that are willing to help. Uh, I know of a few. So, and I

help. Uh, I know of a few. So, and I understand your frustration completely because you've been like in the front lines for a while now and I completely understand where you're coming from, but

um I am a little more optimistic and and and a different set of examples, but I want to ask you about this staffer issue

because uh one of your other brilliant articles that you reported on uh in which you quoted Squakivo and the interview that I did with uh Representative Berles And thank you for

that, by the way, is this one of uh Senator Mitch McConnell and this uh staffer um whose name is what's his

face? Terry Carmich.

face? Terry Carmich.

>> Yeah. Um, so my question is though, there seem to be sort of like a power structure where many of these senators that are really old or really busy and

even Congress people, they don't have time to deal with every little thing, every single thing that comes to their desk. And these staffers um who may or

desk. And these staffers um who may or may not be influenced by external parties uh they seem to have a lot of decision power and they seem to have the

power to sign stuff and all that. Um do

you think that it's possible that um a lot of this conversation has been driven mainly by these staffers and not by the

senators or representatives themselves?

>> Absolutely. Yeah. 100% is kind of like one of these things, you know, it's like the government and representatives aren't actually in charge. It's all cay as they would say, you know, like wrestling. um they act like they're in

wrestling. um they act like they're in charge, but actually a lot of stuff's been done by their staffers or you know people who aren't actually kind of like elected. you know, we we've got like a

elected. you know, we we've got like a similar thing in the UK, you know, like um I'll give you an example, you know, like

a lot of lobbying firms in London now, um their their main thing now is to kind of like influence not politicians, but the non-elected

people like in the UK Treasury and stuff when it comes to decisions that are being made um because they know that the politicians just don't have enough bandwidth to deal with these things, you know, especially in the UK when they've

got constituents and in the US you know when they've got fundraisers and stuff like that they don't have the bandwidth so if you can influence these people who are advising them usually the

politicians you know on most occasions will go with it and the deep state and the staffers who are working with them will make sure that they're given no other choice in in Downing Street for

example we have a thing called a cabinet meeting in Downing Street um there's been the allegation that Um the meetings are held,

the decisions are made before the meeting takes place by all the people in the back room, the deep state basically.

And it's seen as a crisis if um one of the politicians, you could be like a secretary of state or whatever, goes against whatever the decision is supposed to be. And then it's crisis management. Okay, how do we deal with

management. Okay, how do we deal with this? And I I really do think the same

this? And I I really do think the same thing's happening in the USA as well when it comes to um a lot of these politicians, especially the old-timers as well. And and I I yeah, I do think

as well. And and I I yeah, I do think there's a an embedded relationship there between staffers uh aerospace companies um you know, and

um you know, the deep state as well, people within the intelligence community.

>> Yeah. And um this karma guy um he seems to have a lot of those connections uh directly to this deep state. Can you

elaborate a little bit of on what you know more about him that you may be able to share?

Yeah, he's um he's just been there for a tremendously long time um with with McConnell and it's just obvious he that

he has a lot of influence and um McConnell has long been seen um as a really really powerful member of the Senate and um I believe there are

like article there's like one political article that basically says that his office was seen as a place for lobbyists.

Um because staff would go to work for him and then straight to another, you know, firm to lobby or something like that and, you know, they go on to work

for Loheed, whoever. And then they would use their sway and McConnell's office would always kind of be open ears into being swayed by the lobbyists.

Um so it was kind of like a revolving door basically within his office. Um,

obviously Terry Carmarmac stayed there for a long time, but you know, it really really would not surprise me if he's built up some relationships with people

that used to work for his office um that have since gone on to be lobbyists um for kind of like, you know, aerospace companies

um and other places that kind of like have a um a stake when it comes to UAP stuff. Um, but yeah, it's an interesting

stuff. Um, but yeah, it's an interesting one because if you look at the UAPDA being blocked and I look back on the stories I reported on it, each year it's

been McConnell who's been named as being part of the resistance each year.

>> So, there's something too that I feel.

>> Yeah. Um, man, those staffers, man. Um,

and and on the other hand, there seem to be also staffers who seem to be helping like Kirk McConnell, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Um Kirk McConnell um seems to be helping and you know it's um yeah I don't I don't know what Kirk

experienced like when he was working um in the Senate. I don't know if he got any push back.

>> Yeah.

>> I certainly know that his colleagues >> did get pushed back and did get threatened and stuff and intimidated.

Um, so yeah, he he's he's brilliant for like coming out and advocating for for this. Um, so yeah, it's, you know, good

this. Um, so yeah, it's, you know, good on him and obviously he knows the ins and outs of how it does work when it comes to, um, staffers as well. So, um,

it's good having that breth of knowledge on board.

>> So, let's talk about something a little different than politics before I let you go. Um,

go. Um, I want to talk about experiences. if

you're comfortable with that.

>> Sure. because um um I don't know if you have ever had any sort of experience uh that you could deem either anomalous or

um but uh you spoke about this project destiny uh topic with Dan Sherman um and

and he talks about these um bloodlines that are like very present and very um like sort of in the back of everyone's

head, right? Um, do you have any opinion

head, right? Um, do you have any opinion on that on these bloodlines and uh and this program and what Dan Sherman talked about and have you ever had any sort of

experiences or anybody from your vicinity that you know of uh that have experienced anything?

>> Yeah. Yeah. No. Um, so this is a topic I'm so interested in. Anyone who knows me knows that this is kind of like my thing. I love it, you know. um and you

thing. I love it, you know. um and you know I I reporting a lot of a lot of this political stuff um and all the mechanics and stuff. So hopefully one

day I can like go here um and start doing like big stories on it you know that kind of like um you know stand up well and have lots of credibility. But

yeah like um members of my family um are experiences uh my brother, my mom um my cousin um

So yeah, actually like um my cousin showed me a story um in because I'm origie from a place called um Reading in um England >> and

>> Yeah. Like like Rick Jerves, right?

>> Yeah. Like like Rick Jerves, right?

>> Yeah. Like Kate Winslett and Yeah. Yeah.

We've got some cool people from Reading and um so like there were UFOs seen over Reading and um my cousin showed me the article said, "Actually, you know that witness there? That was me. I saw the

witness there? That was me. I saw the UFOs. Um, and you know, she said that

UFOs. Um, and you know, she said that she's had experiences as well, like abduction experiences. Um, you've got

abduction experiences. Um, you've got that which is crazy. And my mom basically said she was traced by a

triangler um UFO um over Reading while walking her dog one time. Um,

and I think it was my mom as well who told me when I was younger that um, the airways had been interrupted as well in the local area. We had local TV covering

our part of England basically and it had been um, interrupted by an announcement by Ashtar Command. It's kind of like this weird voice came on.

>> Oh, I remember that.

>> Accepted Mr. Smith's offer to negotiate an internal settlement based on one man, one vote. But he says there are

one vote. But he says there are conditions. These include stopping the

conditions. These include stopping the execution of all captured prisoners of war negotiation in Australia. Mr.

in Australia. Mr. are still >> This is the voice of representative command speaking to you.

For many years you have seen us as knights in the we speak to you now as we have done to your brothers and

sisters all over this your planet earth.

We come to warn you of the destiny of your race and your world so that you may communicate to your fellow beings the course you must take to avoid the

disaster threatens your world and the beings will operate around you.

This is you share and awaken as the planet passes into the new age of Aquarius.

The new age will be a time of great and cannot be still and for your chance may not come again.

All your weapons of evil must be removed.

The time for conflict is now passed and the race of which you are a part may proceed to the higher stages of its evolution if you show yourself worthy to do this.

>> I remember.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And like you grow up just thinking that never happened. My mom's

just lying, you know. And then obviously on in the advent of YouTube it came out, the video came out. It's like oh what?

That actually really happened. Like they

never found out who did it. It's um

yeah, like um you see stuff like that and it's like wow. So yeah, I'm just really really keen to kind of like have the answers, you know. Um yeah, another

thing I'll just mention as well that we went to Cornwall um in the southwest of England a few years back now >> and um

I just remember going having a great holiday and we usually we didn't stay there this time but we usually stay in a place called Guivian um and there's like a beach along there. It's beautiful and

you've got like these you must see it one day that you've got these beautiful views towards a place called St. eyes

bay. Um, and it just looks beautiful basically. And um, and then all of a

basically. And um, and then all of a sudden, like I think when a debrief launched, there was this video that came out showing like a UFO captured by like

a a camera like a webcam um that they have just like looking at certain places. And um it was along that place

places. And um it was along that place basically where I usually go on holiday and it showed like an object like going like zipping going like this going like this going

and um it's like crazy and I looked at the day and I was like oh gosh like I was in Cornwall like just after that happened like days after that happened

like that's so crazy you know it's um so yeah like so I like to think I kind of like have a relation when it comes to UAP as well but but it's so tough you

know like it really rears tough these UAP cases like what is a UAP and you know when we're doing the videos and stuff like you know we recently got the

um police helicopter video um released relating to the Lake and Heath drone incursions drone incursions and um the official

report said that um the object had basically been an F-15 and a helicopter pilot thought it was a really strange drone and he took invasive maneuvers and died because of it, but it was an F-15.

And we didn't believe it. But then when we saw the video, we're like, "Actually, it is an F-15, but hey, there's a second object. We don't know what that is.

object. We don't know what that is.

Maybe that's like a drone or UAP or something." And then we got the radar

something." And then we got the radar information to see where the second F-15 was on that night, and it just so happened to be exactly where that other object was. So, it's disappointing, but,

object was. So, it's disappointing, but, you know, it's uh it just um I'm just looking for that one case, you know. Um

well obviously there are other videos that you know we can't explain. We do

have more information about but you know I'm just hoping that we can kind of like have like an an experience a case where we do have that evidence. I think the closest we've got so far is Peter Corey

where he says he's got like a hair of an alien. That's a really good case and I

alien. That's a really good case and I really love Peter. It's brilliant and um yeah we just I just hope we just get the answers you know to all these really big

questions because I do feel that the phenomena does happen a relationship a deep and better relationship with us humans you know I really do believe that so yeah

>> I I was gonna ask you about that what do you think might be going on based on what you've been um investigating so far in terms of the phenomenon not the

political stuff you Um, do you think, um, which hypothesis do you align yourself with the most at the moment?

>> Yeah, I mean, I think I'm like George Knap, you know, the more that I learn, the more that I think I don't know. But

it does seem to me that there are like multiple entities. Some are competing

multiple entities. Some are competing factions. There are like dog fights

factions. There are like dog fights between different factions as well. Um,

different origins. So have a component potentially of kind of like ultraterrestrial or um interdimensional

and like ET as well. Um

yeah, it looks to me like that could be the case. But I I just don't know. I

the case. But I I just don't know. I

what I feel is that we could get the answers by looking at like the modern curve like um conspiracy where it started. You know, people say that

started. You know, people say that happened with Nazi Germany. you know

that the the SS a component of the SS made contact with um kind of like a form of Nordics basically

and um apparently um that was partially what it was about where they um what was the um operation when they brought the German scientists to America called again paperclip

>> paperclipip.

>> Yeah. So the the pro the overarching program of paperclipip what it ran under like an office or something that was only disbanded under um Kennedy I think

in 1960 1961 um it's been told to me that that was the case because you know all the German scientists have been discovered by then and they bought

in who they needed who they could.

Apparently what was happening was that they were um kind of um the SS components who made contact with the Nordics were facilitating contact with

the the US government as well. So

interesting. Again, just a story.

>> Yeah.

>> So yeah, that stuff just gets me interested. I feel that more that you

interested. I feel that more that you can find about when that initial contact was made in the modern era, >> that's where you can kind of get more answers. Okay, who did they make contact

answers. Okay, who did they make contact with first? Where did they come from?

with first? Where did they come from?

What do we know about them? Are we still in contact with them? Were treated

signed? Did we make contact with someone else after or whatever? You know, but that's kind of what I'm looking for, that timeline. Uh

that timeline. Uh >> yeah, >> if such a thing exists.

>> Yeah. And there's also the Magenta crash as well that has been uncovered recently. Uh who knows what happened

recently. Uh who knows what happened there too.

>> So, um I want to thank you, man, for your time. This was really really cool.

your time. This was really really cool.

I would like to have another conversation with you down the line and many if possible because um you're doing really important work even though I see

you are not uh that optimistic these days. I think that for example this

days. I think that for example this latest that you just put out is extremely important and I would encourage you to not lose that um that encouragement to keep doing what you're

doing man. So thank you so much

doing man. So thank you so much >> day. Thank you so much for having me and

>> day. Thank you so much for having me and thank you for your work as as well because what you're doing is really important too. I mean um yeah like

important too. I mean um yeah like you're getting some brilliant interviews, you're finding good information, you know what you're talking about. So yeah, just seeing like

talking about. So yeah, just seeing like people like you and you know Matt as well, Matt Ford and seeing you guys do it like you know gives me it gives me

optimism as well just like seeing that and actually encouragement like yeah so thank you for what you do. So um

>> yeah hope to a good year. Fingers

crossed.

>> Fingers crossed. Where can people find you if they want to connect with you in some way? Uh can you uh let us know? And

some way? Uh can you uh let us know? And

uh well obviously you can go to the liberation times uh which is an amazing place where you you're going to find all the latest on uh on your work but where else can people find you?

>> Uh yeah sure. So you can find me as well on X's Chris UK Sharp. Um it's my handle. Um I got a Patreon as well. I do

handle. Um I got a Patreon as well. I do

updates on the Patreon. Um yeah, I I made a decision a long time ago not to use adverts um because I was being told that people um within high places in

government in the US government were like looking at the stories and they were just seeing like random adverts. I

was like yeah can't have that. So um

yeah just totally community funded basically. So um yeah but I I just on

basically. So um yeah but I I just on just on one final I think you know one one thing I will mention is that there is a book coming out in the summer by my

friend Jonathan Kaplan Jonathan Kaplan is a very very important person he is a king's council barristister one of the one of the most successful barristers in the world

>> and he is coming out with a UAP book so watch his face >> it's about the king right >> um so it's not about the king But um he

he all I would say is that he's got lots of connections in relation to UAP World and he's been able to find out information that's not been revealed before.

>> And awesome.

>> Wow, that's exciting. Awesome. Uh last

question though. Um this comes from my friends at Living Life Consciously. Um

and I always ask this to some of my guests. Um what is your biggest hope for

guests. Um what is your biggest hope for the future of humanity?

My biggest hope would be that we can find what our meaning is and what the meaning of life is and whether we can sorry

there's lots of answers life after death. What is this all about? Is there

death. What is this all about? Is there

life after death and does does consciousness continue living? And if

so, like what is the reason behind that?

Um that that's what I'm fascinated by consciousness. Um so

consciousness. Um so that that's I I want I want to know I want to know what consciousness is. I

want to know if it continues after death. I want to know why why we're

death. I want to know why why we're here, what our purpose is. And I just get the feeling that an intelligence that's far more advanced than us may know a lot of the answers that that we

that we don't. Um and I'm hopeful as well that some of the technologies that are emerging has hopefully been reverse engineered could kind of um stop some of the suffering that humanity goes through

in terms of diseases and and other such things. So yeah those kind of my hopes

things. So yeah those kind of my hopes basically.

>> Thank you man and thank you for your work and you guys know what to do. Like

subscribe all the thing. Uh I'll see you around and I'll see you soon again.

Chris, keep killing it brother.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Let's definitely do it again. You

it. Let's definitely do it again. You

wear shirt as well next time. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I will. I will. I promise. I

promise.

>> All right, brother.

>> Take care.

>> Take care. Bye. Bye.

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