Chronic Disease Doctor: We Can Now Reverse Some Stage 4 Cancer?

I've had patients go from stage four

cancer to stage zero. So, I have now

seen where the end of cancer is coming

from. I've seen how the war is going to

finish. And here's how. Dr. William Lee

is a Harvard trained physician and

medical scientist whose work is

revolutionizing the way we understand

and fight some of the most devastating

diseases facing our world today. I'm

going to give you a brand new view of

thinking about cancer. And this is

shocking to some people to hear, but

every 24 hours there are 10,000 mistakes

that are made in your body. Each of

those is a microscopic cancer. But the

reason that we don't become more sick

from all kinds of diseases, including

cancer, is because our body is hardwired

with its own health defense systems. But

here's the problem. We are presently

seeing the fallout of some of the not so

good moves that we made in the 1950s

and60s and 70s. For example, people

might consume as much as a credit card's

worth of plastic every single week

which is very worrying, and I won't tell

you why, but there's also the foods you

eat, which contribute to taking your

health defenses down. But the good news

is that you can actually put shields up

as well. So, this is our experiment, and

we're trying to discover drugs that

could be developed as cancer treatments.

So, we said, let's remove half of them

and let's swap them out with food. You

know, I I was a skeptic, but when I saw

these results, it made my jaw drop

because the holy grail in the

pharmaceutical industry is to find

something that can kill cancer stem

cells. And we don't have a drug that can

do that. Turns out, mother nature beat

us to the punch. And there's more than

200 foods that I've studied that can

actually starve cancers. And if you had

to pick five based on the science you've

seen, what would those top five be? The

good news is that it's food that we can

eat every single day. So, number one

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much. Dr. William Lee, if someone has

just clicked on this conversation and

they're asking themselves, they're

wondering what they're going to get out

of spending this time with us for the

next couple of hours, what would you say

directly to them that they will learn

gain, and how will their life improve?

I would say that you're going to hear

about food in a brand new way that you

didn't realize that a decision that you

can make after this listening to this or

watching this that you could put into

action to your life immediately could

actually help you for the rest of your

life. It could stave off disease, help

you feel stronger, even help you with

longevity. Uh so there's no single moves

that you can make but it's the beginning

of taking steps that can actually allow

you to live the rest of a long enjoyable

life. And what are the the key diseases

that people are and should be most

concerned about today based on their

correlation to the food that we eat?

Yeah, if you look at the biggest health

crises in the world today in developed

countries, um you know, you're really

talking about cardiovascular disease

being the number one killer, diabetes

and all the consequences, the

devastating consequences that come out.

Listen, your blood sugar is not being

very well regulated. That's the

definition over time of diabetes. But

the knock-on effect of having high

uncontrolled sugars is really underlying

metabolic chaos. There's a whole litany

of terrible conditions that happens

every downstream from that from eye

disease to wounds that don't heal etc

etc. Cancer is another one. Dementia is

a big bigger and bigger problem as our

population ages. And a lot of people

don't re recognize this, but you know

the the saying that inflammation is a

root cause of chronic disease.

Scientifically correct, but there are

many many inflammatory diseases that are

out there that don't get enough airplay

that really take away the quality of

your life as you get older. And so I

think all of these things, it's not just

about mortality, it's about morbidity.

It's not just about living long, it's

about living well and feeling good along

the way. And where do you think we are

as a society you especially as

westerners as it relates to our

relationship with health and food?

Because when I look at some of the stats

around life

expectancy, there's been a bit been a

bit of a stagnation in I think it was

2020ish time. But then also when you

look at a lot of these chronic diseases

whether it's diabetes, whether it's

cancer, these things seem to be on the

rise. So, as a nation, it feels like

we've got more information than ever

before, but when you look at the

objective numbers, for some reason

we're not going in the right direction.

What's your your 30,000 foot view on it?

30,000 foot, there's more and more

people in the world. So, once you get

huge numbers, uh, the diseases that

affect most people are going to magnify.

So, just as a a matter of math, we're

going to see more of these chronic

diseases. Um, but we're also going to be

seeing two things that are happening

that uh actually oppose each other. One

thing is that the lifestyle and dietary

harms that have occurred

over 20, 30, 50 years from the

industrialization of food, from the

industrialization of health care, from

degradation of the environment. Those

are all things that take time to

manifest. And so to some extent we are

presently seeing that the fallout of

some of the not so good moves that we

made in the 1950s and60s and 70s and so

on and so forth. So decades later we're

beginning to see the consequences

devastation of things that happened

decades ago. That's one side of

elevating increasing the incidence and

prevalence of of health conditions bad

health conditions. There's another side

that is counterveailing and the other

side which is the side I that's the team

I play on is it really exciting because

one thing that's different is that we

have now have tremendous scientific

power to get in there and probe diseases

and also indeed pro probe health which

is something we're not doing often

enough and in so doing we're actually

able to find solutions to the problems

that that counter some of those harms.

So, we're beginning to discover now how

do we actually prevent diabetes? How do

we prevent cardiovascular disease? Can

we reverse heart disease? And even

conditions that seemed like no-win

situations. And I like to talk about

this is that in my career, I never

thought as a physician I would actually

see the cure to cancer, the end of

cancer. But actually, I tell you, I have

now seen where the end of cancer is

coming from. I've seen how the war is

going to finish because I've had well

over a dozen patients and there are

hundreds of people like this that are

starting to form that can go from stage

four cancer that's game over cancer to

stage zero. We can do this. And it not

for everybody yet, but we're beginning

to see where the light at the end of the

tunnel is. And it involves your immune

system. And some of the remarkable

scientific breakthroughs are teaching us

that our body heals itself against

diseases as serious as cancer in ways

that the pharmaceutical industry can't

by itself do, but it really relies on

the body. So when you talk about food as

medicine or medicine as medicine, none

of them are as powerful as what the body

is hardwired to do by itself. When I

think about something like cancer, it's

slightly terrifying because it feels

like a game of roulette. It feels like

the the people that get cancer, it's

completely random and that our outcomes

are also a game of roulette. And this is

someone that knows very little about

cancer. I hear someone that I thought

was very very healthy get cancer and

then their outcomes whether they they

beat it or not also seem to be largely

down to chance sometimes. That's how it

seems. What do you think of that view?

Yeah, I'm going to give you a brand new

view of thinking about cancer and that

is that we are all forming cancer in our

bodies all the time from the time we

were kids. you don't have clinical

cancer, you haven't gone to the doctor

to get a diagnosis, still start forming

cancers. And let me tell you why.

Cancers are like pimples in our body.

All right? And this is shocking to some

people to hear, but our the human body

is made up of about 40 trillion cells.

That's more cells in our body than stars

in a clear sky. All right? And these

cells have to divide uh to be able to

reproduce themselves. uh copy and paste.

Every cell has its own genetic material

called DNA. It's our instructions for

how our cells are work. So, you got to

copy and paste uh your DNA. All right?

Now, copy and pasting is a tricky thing

to do really well. So, if I gave you a

sentence to write, Stephen, and I said

"Copy it 10 times on a word document

you'll do it perfectly." If I get told

you to copy it a thousand times, you're

going to make a few mistakes. Good thing

that we have spellch check to fix it, to

catch it and fix it. But if I ask you to

copy a single sentence 40 trillion

times, you're going to make so many

mistakes that your spell check isn't

even going to be a to catch all of it.

Okay? And that's what's happening in our

body every single day as we are

replicating ourselves. We're going to

make mistakes. And whenever there's a

mistake that's being made that isn't

caught and fixed, that's a mutation. And

so we have mutations that are forming in

our body just as a matter just as an

outcome of being alive and doing our

thing and we're not sick from those

mutations. But every mutation is the

beginning of a microscopic cancer. Take

a guess of how many mistakes in DNA of

copying and pasting your own body uh are

made every 24 hours. Take a guess. This

has been calculated randomly. Well, you

there's so many cells in my body.

It's going to be a big number. A

million. Okay. Every day, every 24

hours, there are 10,000 mistakes that

are made in your body that your body

doesn't catch that keep on that

propagate in the document of our body as

it goes on. 10 10,000. Each of those is

a microscopic cancer. A microscopic

cancer is just that. It's microscopic.

It's too small to be seen with the naked

eye, but it's abnormal. And that thing

could turn turn into a big tumor that

could eventually kill you. So why don't

we die from cancer all the time? Now

this is actually something that I see as

a physician. I have a patient diagnosed

with cancer. They always ask me, "Dr.

Lee, why me? Why did I get breast

cancer, colon cancer, pancreatic cancer

brain tumor?" A very very uh natural

question. And I do my best to try to

provide an empathic answer to that

question. But as a researcher, I have a

more interesting question. Given the

number of mutations that occur in our

body every single day, why don't we get

cancer more often? Why don't we all get

cancer as kids? You know, cancer can

happen in children, but not as often as

we have mutations. And it turns out this

was the great unlock for me in terms of

health. The reason that we don't become

more sick from all kinds of diseases

including cancer, is because our body is

hardwired with its own health defense

systems. So that we've got these

swashbuckling defenses that are firing

on all cylinders. All day long from the

from the moment we're born until our

very last breath, these systems that are

inside our body defend our health

including the microscopic cancers, spots

them, takes them out. kind of like a

police cruiser patrolling a quiet

neighborhood sees a drug dealer on the

corner, pops them in the back of the

police vehicle and takes them away

cleaning up the neighborhood. That's how

our body naturally cleans up these

microscopic cancers. And so when you

talk about cancer as a scary disease

you're thinking about the person whose

body has failed to detect and eliminate

the microscopic cancers and it's become

large enough to actually become a

threat. Now here's a question for you.

So we tell women to actually do a self

breast exam when they're taking a

shower. You know, look for lumps or

bumps and you know if you find one, you

know, certainly go to your doctor

immediately for an exam.

The smallest cancer that you could feel

with a trained person can feel with

their with their hands in the breast is

one centimeter in diameter. A 1 cm

breast cancer already has 1 billion

cancer cells that have already

multiplied. That microscopic cancer

multiplied a billion times. That's the

smallest one you can feel. Now immune

systems not taking that amount. All

right? So, you need a better immune

system if you I want a shot at this and

not just chemo or hormonal therapy. And

that's where some of these incredible

advances are taking place. But there's

another one. In order to feed a billion

cancer cells, you need blood vessels to

feed them. So, the cancers as they get

bigger, they hijack our own circulation

to feed themselves. Okay? It's kind of

like terrorists kicking in the cockpit

door to take over the controls of the

plane. They want to actually get your

blood vessels to feed themselves. Now

normally the body knows how to control

those blood vessels. It's called

angioenesis. Angio blood vessels genesis

how the body grows and controls them.

That's my area of research. So naturally

our body knows how to prevent blood

vessels from feeding cancers and yet

knows how to uh direct blood vessels to

feed healthy tissues. So guess what? A

one centimeter tumor with 1 billion

cancer cells is fed by 100 million blood

vessels courarssing into the tumor to

feed them. And we've studied this in the

laboratory. The moment that a single

blood vessel touches a tumor, tiny

microscopic tumor, it will grow 16,000

times in size in just two weeks. Wow.

All right. So, I've told you some scary

statistics, but now let me kind of give

you the where the breakthroughs are

coming through. Right. So with this kind

of knowledge, what do we what can we do

with cancers? Not just breast cancers

but in general. Number one, we know that

if you boost your immune system with

foods, with exercise, diet, lifestyle

you're going to actually make your

immune defense is a lot stronger to

patrol your body to wipe out those

microscopic cancers. That's why healthy

diet lifestyle lowers the risk of

cancer. That's why eating the right

foods that boost your immunity can

substantially lower your risk of cancer

as well. We also know that you can eat

foods that support, prompt up, fortify

your body's natural ability to control

blood vessels. Keep those blood vessels

where they're supposed to be and get rid

of those blood vessels where you don't

want them to be, which is kicking in the

cockpit to take over your circulation to

feed cancers. So, if you eat foods like

that are anti-androgenic foods that like

are unstable, you've got um coffee and

tea, both of those contain natural

substances that cut off the blood supply

and starve cancers. That's a good thing.

So, that's why we know our what we do

with our diet can actually help to lower

the risk of cancer as well. I'm assuming

the opposite also applies. I I could eat

foods, I can drink things that cause my

body to malfunction. I makes the blood

vessels unregulated makes and starts to

feed the cancer, right? Yeah

absolutely. So, let's talk let's talk a

little bit about that. So, so I told you

the body's hardwired with these

defenses. Shields up, right? That's what

we want to do because shields are

already normally up. You want to raise

them higher, but what about and this is

a brilliant question you're asking a

very probing question. What are the

things that take your shields down

right? What are the things that turn off

the smoke alarm in your house that

unlock the doors? Can I take a guess?

Is it

this? Okay, now I know the answer that

you're setting this conversation up for

which is a burger with meat. Uh, is that

actually uh disease-causing? And I would

I would tell you that yes and no. A

burger is something that many people

enjoy eating. And I would say eating

meat, eating burgers, even eating

ultrarocessed foods once in a while is

not going to harm you if your health

defenses are naturally strong. But if

you make it a habit, a regular habit of

eating this at the expense of eating

healthier foods, more plant-based foods

less processed foods. Okay. Um, you are

actually going to tip the uh your odds

where the diseases are more likely to

get you. What that what that means is

that over eating fast foods like burgers

will actually contribute to taking your

uh health defenses down, shields down.

So what are those things then that bring

the shield down? You were saying okay

excess sodium, too much salt, which can

be present in a lot of restaurant foods.

People eat out a lot, go to restaurants

all the time. You ever you ever go to

the back of a kitchen of a restaurant to

see how they're salting seasoning their

food? Patrons love salty food. It makes

food taste really great. There's a, you

know, our brains uh respond very well to

salty food. That high sodium levels

actually speeds up, accelerates our

cellular aging, so we actually age

faster. But it also um is a huge wear

and tear on our health defenses

specifically our circulation, our our

blood vessels, our androgenesis system

is taken down by excess salt. Okay, I've

got a question here. Obviously there's a

a big movement at the moment around

hydration and electrolytes and these

electrolytes have magnesium, potassium

they have sodium in them. Yeah. So a lot

of people are now taking electrolytes to

hydrate themselves.

Is there a a risk here? So the great

news is that the healthy body has got

its own titration system for

electrolytes. If you drink a electrolyte

fortified beverage, you're your body's

going to take everything it needs and

it's going to pee out the rest. You're

going to eliminate through your urine.

All right. However, sodium

uh is one of those electrolytes is

present like you're not drinking

electrolyte fluid all day long, but

sodium you're eating it in almost every

food that you actually have except

perhaps dessert, but maybe even then.

And so this is one of the things that we

realize is sodium is a high risk for

hypertension, high blood pressure

inflammation of the lining of your

circulation and that that sets up for a

lot of badness downstream when it comes

to your health and it takes down your

circulation um health defenses that we

talked about. High blood sugar can also

do the same thing. So if you're eating

an excess of added sugar, we all have

heard by now glucose spikes and glucose

crashes. I don't actually use those

words by the way. I don't like to

actually cast our body's metabolism in

terms of spikes and crashes. I think

those are fear words. They get

attention. Uh they they do make you pay

attention to it, but in fact really our

the healthy body sort of has, you know

smooth ups and smooth downs. They're

gentle slopes up and down of our blood

sugar. And that's completely fine. All

right? And and it should be like that.

However, if you have an uphill climb of

your blood glucose and it continues to

stay up, that can actually happen if

you're eating too much added sugar.

Okay, added sugar, ultrarocessed foods.

What happens is that your blood sugars

your intake of the sugar, glucose rises

up up up and now your body has your

metabolism to chase that blood sugar

down and it's got to work harder and

make more insulin. And eventually you

just wear out that system and then you

have a high blood blood glucose and an

insensitive metabolism and that's the

beginning of sort of the the dominoes

starting to fall apart in your body. And

so sugar, high blood sugar, added sugar

is a problem. You get it from fruit, not

a problem. Okay? No one's going to be

eating a crazy amount of fruit. This is

why extremes aren't good. Diversity.

Switch it out. Keep it interesting for

yourself. This is what our human nature

uh wants anyway. Uh it's how we're

hardwired. You you'll actually be fine.

So salt, sugar, those are two offenders.

Okay. Um alcohol is another one that

actually can take down your health

defenses over time. You know, people

say, "Well, what about red wine? Isn't

red wine healthy?" What I would say is

that actually the fermented products the

or the bioactives that come out of red

grapes from the skin of red grapes

that's found in red

wine, those there can be some healthful

properties of the resveratrol and other

polyphenols that come out of uh that are

in wine, but it's never the alcohol.

It's not the alcohol in the beer, the

wine, the whiskey. Nope. None, none of

that is the alcohol is is a universal

toxin. Toxic to your brain, toxic to

your liver, toxic to your heart. Can't

get away from that. Your body will

recover. Shields up little. It can take

a ding. It's like a, you know, like a

drink is sort of like a driving behind a

truck and it flings a little pebble

right into your windshield. You might

get a little spider in the windshield.

Okay, don't worry. It'll repair itself.

You You'll fix yourself. You'll bounce

back. It's not going to break your

windshield. But if you keep on drinking

you're actually gonna smash your

windshield. And that's why alcoholism is

so devastating to the health. But you

know, regular a small amount of alcohol.

So alcohol itself is is a toxin. Do you

drink? Uh I I rarely drink and when I

drink it's in moderation. Mhm. And I was

thinking about stress as well. Does that

bring down the So besides the foods you

eat, other things that can compromise

your health defenses? Uh, and by the

way, there are five health defenses. We

talked about blood vessels. We talked

about immunity, but there's three other

ones uh that are core to functioning in

the healthiest way possible. If you

want, if you want longevity, you need

all five of your health defenses and

more to be working in your favor. But

stress, what does stress do? Lowers your

immune system. Shields down. All right?

Those microscopic cancers. Whoa. That's

why stressful people are more vulnerable

to de developing diseases like cancer.

All right? Stress also causes your blood

pressure to go up and causes uh

neurotransmitters, hormones to be

released from your brain and your

kidneys, your adrenal glands that ought

to wear down your circulation. Now your

androgenesis system is also uh not

functioning uh as well to protect

yourself and keep good blood flow going

where it needs to go. Now your

circulation is actually down. Um so

again, stress also can actually damage

the DNA. We talked about naturally

copying and pasting and having errors.

add some stress to it. Now, it's kind of

like um you're trying to copy that

sentence I was telling you perfectly.

Now, I'm going to come in and just smash

your fingers down every now and then

and let's see if you actually make a

mistake. You will. All right? Stress

will actually do that. It's devastating

to have so much stress continuously.

Listen, by the way, I want to be really

clear to anybody listening or watching

this, a little stress is actually good

for you. You know, like just being

coddled all day long and living in a

happy bubble. That doesn't that's not

that's not good for our health either.

We kind of get laxidasical. We let our

guard down. Little stress. I mean

anybody who's hardworking, you know

successful knows that, you know, it's

not the no pain, no gain. It's that the

that the grit that goes along with it

which gives a little stress keeps us

sharp, you know, uh which is a which is

a good thing. You want to be on you want

to be on. So, a little stress is good

but when that stress is unabated, it

literally sinks your health defenses. It

is just taking those shields down. Yeah

I've noticed that with myself. I've

spent the last 10 years running

businesses, a little bit more than 10

years now, but probably the last 13

years running businesses. And the only

times when I really get sick, where I'm

like out for a week and I really, really

feel it

is one week

after two weeks of stress.

So when I say two weeks of stress, what

I mean there is when something happens

in my life business where that it's kind

of chronic and it's enduring stress. I

can deal with having a stressful day. I

can deal with having two stressful days

in a row. But when I've had like two

weeks of an enduring issue, like an

enduring angst or a

problem, almost perfectly predictably, a

week later, I'm sick. And I'm extremely

rarely sick because I think I sleep

really well. Like I think I eat really

clean. And so it's taught me something

about if I zoom out on that and see

what's going on in my body, well

eventually like my body's kind of my

immune system is running out of energy

almost more than your immune system. So

when you're super stressed, it also

interferes with your ability to sleep

well. Yeah. When you're sleeping well

you know, sleeping is something that I

was taught when I was a kid. When you're

sleeping, you're resting. And when

you're resting, you're not active

right? Well, that's just our physical

self. It turns out when we're sleeping

even though our muscles may not be

moving like we are during the day, in

fact, a lot of other systems including

our health defenses are being repaired

renewed, regenerated, rebooted while we

are sleeping. So in those ideally eight

hours, 7 to n hours, eight's the sweet

sweet number, you know, our brain is

cleansing itself, detoxifying itself

releasing. Do you know about the

lymphatic system in the brain? Not as

well as you do. Okay. Well, there's a

there's a um sewer system of the gra of

in our brains that's called the

glimpmphatic system and it's shut

tightly during the daytime when we're

using our brain doing our work uh

whatever we're doing and during the day

we accumulate a lot of uh toxins in

inside our brain during the day. It's

just a matter of functioning. All right?

And what happens is that those toxins

accumulate which is that you know at the

end of a really really tough hard day.

You got if not a headache you've got

your you feel like your brain is it's

full. It's the cup runth over. Right.

All right. So when you go to sleep guess

what this sewer system it's like the

sewers of par underneath Paris. The

grates open up suddenly and it drains

those toxins out while you're sleeping.

And only when you get good sleep. So

when you're stressed and you're not

getting good sleep, you start to

accumulate these toxins that are never

quite cleaned up and your brain is not

that cleaned up. When your brain's not

cleaned up, you're feeling foggy. So

think about the, you know, when you're

in college, you pull an allnighter or

you go to a party or whatever and you're

and you're staying up all night, you're

never quite the same. It takes a while

for your brain to clean up itself. When

your brain is foggy, you tend to not

make as good decisions. I'm too tired to

work out. I'm too tired. I don't care

what I eat. I'm just hungry. I'm going

to eat anything. You start to make bad

decisions when it comes to diet and

lifestyle. You see? So, it's a it it the

stress can cascade on your health like

that. Is there a certain stage of sleep

where the glimpmphatic system kicks in?

Yeah. It's during like the deep REM

sleep. Okay. That dreaming sleep. Okay.

And that usually comes later in the

night as well. Correct. Correct. And in

more qual quantity later in the night.

So, you need to really be getting a lot

of sleep. Now, the other thing about

deep sleep is while you're sleeping

really deeply, your metabolism is also

burning down fat. So, you think that

you're not working out during the night

you're right, you're not actually

exercising, but in fact, your metabolism

is burning fat because while you're

sleeping and your insulin levels don't

need to be high because you're not

eating, insulin levels go down, your

metabolism shifts gears. I I sort of

give people the analogy. It's like your

your body is a race car, sports car

like a Ferrari. During the day, you are

in gear to drive, accumulate speed, and

and you're you're revving your engines.

At night, you shift gears where you're

actually burning down fat. You don't

need to accumulate more fuel. Now

you're burning down the fuel. So, when

you're sleeping, you're actually burning

away fat. But when you don't sleep well

or you don't sleep long enough, you're

not burning down that fuel. That fuel

accumulates, day or two of not good

enough sleep, that's that's okay. Think

about flying overseas, getting some jet

lag. You got to catch up. Once you get

catch up, you feel better. All right?

But think about this like day in and day

out. Chronically stressed people are

never getting good sleep. Add a little

booze, alcohol to the to the equation.

You can kind of see the problems that

are going to build up. Your brain's

going to be foggy. your metabolism is

going to be out of whack. You're not

burning as much fat from the calories

that you ate during the day. Now

inflammation starts to uh rise in your

body and that inflammation really takes

down your health defenses and now you're

much more vulnerable. So, in your own

example of where chronic stress leads to

poor sleep and then you get sick, no

surprise. If we go back up the thread

there, we were talking about the sort of

individual perspective on cancer. And I

was looking at some stats here and it

says that the number one Google search

related to cancer is breast cancer. One

in two people will develop some form of

cancer during their lifetime. That's

according to the NHS. Cancer is the

second highest leading cause of death

worldwide. And by 2040, there will be 28

million new cases of cancer each year

worldwide. But one of the most shocking

things that I saw was that globally

early onset cancer incidents has risen

by about 80% by

1990 and 2019. And there was an article

which I'd sent to my team a couple of

weeks ago. It's it's called the worrying

puzzle behind the rise of early onset

cancer. And it says that there are

rising cases of breast collateral and

other cancers in people in their 20s

30s and 40s. And it posits the question

what is going on? Over the last 10

years, rates of colorctyl cancer among

25 to 49 year olds has increased in 24

different countries, including the UK

US France Australia Canada Norway

and Argentina. I mean, what is going on?

Yeah, that's a big question.

So, are we seeing the results of more

harms in our environment that we're

being exposed to that are more toxic and

leading to earlier incidents of clinical

cancer? They're talking about clinical

diagnosed cancer, not the invisible

microscopic ones that are forming all

the time. Um, it's yes, it's very

worrying. Are we be exposing ourselves

to something that is more commonly

encountered today than before? Number

one. Number two, are our defenses being

taken down by forces that we didn't

appreciate are compromising us? Most

likely both. It's most likely uh I mean

the human makeup hasn't changed and so

it's got to be the fact a combination

that we're being exposed to more harmful

things and though some of those harmful

things are actually that you know

provoking more cancers but and we're

also being exposed to things that take

down our health defenses. So the balance

is being tipped against us and it's

true. I can tell you that when I went to

medical school I mean colorectile cancer

was something that you rarely saw in

people even in their 50s. it was for

much older uh people. Uh now to see uh I

mean there's even teenagers that have

actually developed colurectal cancer

which was

unfathomable. So I will tell you one

thing that's actually arisen in terms of

like what are some of the clues of these

things that could be happening right? So

we are talking about climate change and

all the things that are happening in our

environment. That's a that's almost too

big a conversation to have to answer a

question like this. But we I think we

cannot afford to ignore the fact that

the environment, the climate that we

live in has changed. But there are other

things that we're beginning to unearth

that we didn't realize until just within

the last few years. And one of them is

the is how many inflammatory

microlastics we are ingesting. When I

was growing up, uh my mom very uh

well-intentioned would store foods in

plastic leftovers. Uh, and we'd buy

foods that came in plastic packages

right? We wouldn't think think second

have a second thought about it. A

plastic cup, styrofoam cup, go to a

picnic, you're eating off of a plastic

plate, right? I mean, these are all

common uh experiences that we all have

uh in the modern developed world. Well

what if I told you that we now realize

that the plastic touching food can shed

the plastic itself as microparticles

into the food and then we eat the food

and okay, we've known this for maybe

more than a decade. Maybe there's little

plastic particles uh that come off, but

you know, hey, there's no harm, right?

We we haven't been able to discover it.

I I used to say that. Now, just within

the last few years, we're beginning to

pinpoint that number one, it does

plastics can actually embed themselves

in our body. We even know where we also

know that these plastics uh are

associated with

inflammation. That is a big red flag.

The claxon alarm should start going off.

And third is that the volume of plastics

that we're consuming is crazy. There was

a study that came out recently that

showed that in normal autopsies of

people that didn't die of a brain

problem that when they were doing the

autopsies and looking for plastic that

we could find them. And the amount of

plastic that was found in the average

human

brain is about the amount you'd find in

a typical plastic picnic spoon just

distributed throughout the brain. This

is like a normal this is a person who's

died of something else. Wow. Does that

mean that you know like you and I are

actually you got a plastic spoon worth

of plastic in our brain. There's been

some people that calculated and this has

been the actual calcul math has been

challenged but there was an estimate

that you know some people might consume

as much as a credit card's worth of

plastic every single week in their food

if they're not careful about it. And let

me just tell you where we're finding

microplastics. And you know I want to

get to the point where we're talking

about the healthy foods that can

actually turn the ship around. How do we

turn the battleship of of unhealth back

to health? So, we're back on the course

that everybody wants to go to. We want

to go to that north. How do we find our

northstar for health? So, I do want to

get to that, but let me just say

something about

microplastics. We've now found

microplastics in the brain. As I

mentioned to you, we found it in a

bloodstream. A group in Italy actually

looking at men who had narrowing of the

corateed artery. That's the blood vessel

feeding the brain from comes from the

heart right to the brain the corateed

artery. Oh through the neck through the

neck. They found that the narrowing that

can occur in some men can accumulate

plastic. They can actually find plastic

particles. There's photographs of the

chunks of plastic the particles

fragments of plastic in there. And they

followed them over a period of time.

Those men who had plastic embedded in

their blood vessel lining had a

four-fold increase in the chances of

having a fatal heart attack or a stroke

years later. 400%. Four four-fold. Yeah.

Okay. Now, that's that's not kidding

right? So, now you're now we're

beginning to take notice of this, but

we're also finding microplastics in

breast milk. We're finding microplastics

in testicles. We're finding

microplastics in human semen.

How does it get there? And urologists

who are doing surgery on the penis are

finding that in in the human flesh when

they look under the microscope, we never

used to look for this. Now we're looking

for it, that there's even microplastics

in the flesh of the penis. Okay. So if

anybody listening this isn't taking

notice about microplastics now, it's

time to start thinking about this. So

one of the questions is and I'm not

saying that the rise in rate of cancers

that we're seeing is due to

microplastics. What I what I am saying

is that we're beginning to wake up to

the fact. So let's close off on

microplastics. What are the the easy

wins in our lives? Do you think when you

think about microplastics? Is it just

removing anything plastic that I eat

from or are there some sort of easy

cheap wins? Is it my shampoo? Is it my

frying pan? Is it a container? Yeah. So

I always tell people that the easiest

way to lower your exposure to

microplastics is to throw out your

plastic cups, your plastic plates, and

your plastic silverware. Mhm. Okay. And

get ceramic or glass. Uh that's the best

way to actually avoid those. And also

when you're buying food, try to avoid

food that comes clearly packaged in

plastic. All right. Now, I do want to

point out one thing because right here

on this table, we are looking at a tray

full of beverages and I can already

identify the matcha and this looks like

a cup of coffee and we've got English

breakfast tea. I've done a lot of

research on tea. All right, but I'm

noticing something that green tea, which

is universally healthy, the polyphenols

in green tea lower the risk of

inflammation. They actually improve your

metabolism, lower your risk of cancer.

They're heart healthy. Before you take

that sip though, let me tell you, I see

a tea bag in

there. Okay? And there's different ways

of brewing your tea. It turns out

research from the University of Montreal

have now shown that um tea bags can shed

microplastics. So you can have a billion

particles of microplastic shed from a

single teabag. Okay. All right. So I

just changed your mind, right? So look

this is the power of awareness and

understanding. I probably should have

stopped you. What was you were like, why

didn't you save my life? You let me

drink it first, but I've I

sp as you were doing it. I was like, uh

uh. All right. But look, there's another

there's another one there that's got uh

lemon ginger tea. This is like an herbal

tea. That's fine. Listen, um I I would

also tell you with flavored

teas, just be cautious. Like always

check anything that's been machined to

be a little bit more than nature. Tea

bags are supposed to be paper, right?

Well, in order to prevent the paper from

ripping, the the manufacturers of the

tea bag spray it with a small amount of

plastic to have it hang together better.

And that's the plastic that comes off.

But what about the lemon and ginger in

this lemon ginger tea? That that sounds

so appealing and calming, right? And and

something that most people would find

nice as an herbal tea. Well, listen

you're you're relying on a factory to

actually put that lemon flavor, ginger

ginger flavor. Is it real lemon or is it

real ginger? always look at the

ingredient label to know what's in there

or just buy your own tea and squeeze

your own lemon and and add your own

piece of ginger. These are ways to

actually kind of avoid the uh potential

exposures to toxins that come from

ultrarocessed food. So all this

conversation about, you know, avoid

ultra ultrarocessed foods and watch out

for all those harmful things, you know

it's actually quite easy to dodge them

if you just have in your mindset that

you're just going to make it yourself.

And it's uh absolutely easy. Now, I will

tell you in something interesting about

English breakfast tea. We did research

at the Androgenesis Foundation, the

nonprofit I I looked at, to look at um

different types of teas, different types

of green tea, Japanese tea, Chinese

jasmine tea, uh English tea. And we were

always assuming, again, this is the

power of food as medicine research. We

were always assuming that the green tea

is going to be the best. I'd always

heard that Japanese green tea is going

to be like the ultra best. And what we

found was that English tea, specifically

Earl Grey tea, actually was the most

potent when it actually supported your

blood vessels, your body's defense

system for angioenesis to keep your

circulation healthy. Wow, what a

surprise that is. And this spoke to me

about the fact that we can't make

assumptions. We need to look at facts.

We need to look at data. And so I'm a

big fan of Earl Gray. Now, now what

could what what might make Earl Gray

give Earl Grey a superpower? Well, this

is where knowing a little bit about what

you're eating is actually useful because

Earl Grey is a fermented is a is a black

tea. It's got bergamut in it and

bergamut is a kind of a citrus. So

maybe it's combining those uh

ingredients that actually provides the

superpower. But I do see matcha on this

uh uh tray. I want to tell you about

matcha because it is a matcha is truly a

superenriched polyphenol enriched tea. A

lot of people don't realize it. There's

no tea bag in it. So don't worry. So a

lot of people think about matcha uh as

just another green tea, but it's not

another green tea. It is made with green

tea leaves, the same kind of green tea

leaves, but uh as you would find in any

green tea. However, it's what's the

composition of matcha? Matcha is green

tea that is before it's ready for

harvest is grown under a shade that

changes its chemical structure, natural

chemical structure a little bit. So

it's got a lot of potency to it. And

what happens with matcha is they take

the tea

leaf, they take out the stem of the

green of the of the green tea leaf and

they ground up the actual leaf into a

powder. Now, what's in that green tea

leaf? You've got not just some of the

polyphenols that might steep out in the

cup, whether you're using a tea bag or

or loose leaf tea, you are getting all

the polyphenols suspended in that. So

now you get 100% polyphenol, okay, in

matcha. So go ahead. You're go ahead do

it. That one's good. All right. Okay.

For matcha and because you're getting

the tea leaf ground to it, you're also

getting your dietary fiber. The dietary

fiber is good for your gut health, your

microbiome, good for uh your metabolism

good for lowering inflammation. And the

polyphenols found in green tea have also

been matcha matcha tea have also been

found in the lab to kill breast cancer

stem cells. What's a breast cancer stem

cell? What's a stem cell? Cancer stem

cell. Well, look, stem cells are these

renewable cells. All right? And um

cancers contain stem cells that help the

cancers come back, right? If you got

cancer, you get it treated. One the one

thing you don't want it to do is to come

back. So um and by the way, other foods

can also do kill cancer stem cells.

Purple potatoes uh that you might have

seen in the market. They're um kind of

purpley looking on the outside. Slice it

open, dark purple on the inside. All

right. Turns out that those purple

potatoes have something called

anthocyanins.

Purple potatoes have been studied in a

lab, okay, at Penn State University and

been shown to kill colon cancer stem

cells which contribute to the colon

cancer coming back. So, full disclaimer

I am I made a very very big investment

uh a seven figure investment into a

matcher company a couple of years ago.

And if you look at the search trend data

on the subject of ma matcher, I don't

know if you've seen this, but that's

I'll throw it up on the screen for

anyone that's watching on video, but you

can see how it's just come out of

nowhere. It seems it's exploded. And

when you say that matcha cells have an

impact on breast cancer cells, what does

that mean in reality? Does it? Because

obviously the the the conclusion one

might jump to is that if you drink

matcha, you're lowering your risk of

breast cancer, but that's not

necessarily what you're saying. What

what I what I am saying is that drinking

green tea in its most healthful form

okay, um raises your body's health

defense systems. And by having better

health defense systems, better immunity

better control of your blood vessels

better control over your DNA and those

mutations, and if you can actually kill

some of those stem cells, cancer stem

cells, that's going to be in your favor

as well, that is overall going to

actually lower your risk of cancer. And

so I think that, and by the way, the

other thing that green tea and matcha

can actually do is improve your

metabolism. It's it's really pretty much

all good. I my great uncle by the way

lived to 104 years old, vital, intact

uh independent. He told me that he

attributed his longevity and his

vitality to the fact that he lived at

the base of a mountain that grew tea.

That every morning he got up and he

walked up. He walked up stone steps, a

stone path to a tea garden and he had

freshly picked tea. It's all organically

grown and everything. And he and he

drank tea all day long. He probably had

10 cups of green tea a day. And this has

been his whole life. He sat with his uh

uh close friends who are also very

vibrant and and elderly. Um social

connection. All right. Watch the

sunrise. It's very calming. Do you drink

it? Absolutely. Um I've got to just

going up the the thread again a little

bit. You mentioned the word colurectal.

Where is the colarctyl? All right. So

we have a little um model here cuz I'm

asking this because I'm wondering why

that type of cancer is increasing. So

is there is there a particular reason

why? Well, okay. So, let's do a quick uh

medical school uh course crash course

for

podcasters.

Um the the gut, we talk about gut

health. Most people think of the gut as

sort of lower down in your belly or

maybe even just your stomach. But the

gut actually starts in your mouth and it

runs down down down about 40 feet worth

of stuff organs u your esophagus, your

stomach, your small intestines, your

large intestines. By the way, these

squigglies are your small intestines.

All right. This blue is your large

intestines. This is like a it's shaped

like a horseshoe. It's big thick tube

that that's kind of framing your small

intestines. And then it goes down the

poop shoot, the rectal, and the anus.

That's the end of your gut. All right?

So, the colon is really the large uh

framing thick part of the gut. It's near

the very end. All right? So, all this

squiggly small intestines winds up here

uh at the beginning of the colon. The

colon goes up. It's called the ascending

colon. And then it makes a sharp angled

turn right across your belly. Kind of

like a belt right across your belly.

This is colon here and then it goes to

the descending colon. Take the elevator

down down down down down. You see the

blue down going down and then it kind of

takes a little jog at the very end and

goes down into your rectum and your

anus. Okay. Right. So the blue thing is

my colon. So this is where cancer

incidence is rising in young people. So

you're talking about the rising

incidence of colctal cancer. That could

be a cancer that's typically uh either

on the right side of the colon either

the going up up the upside up the

elevator. Yeah. Or down the elevator. On

the right side of the left side. Okay.

Okay. It turns out that we've known for

a long time that unhealthy diets are

linked to a higher risk of colorectal

cancer specifically processed meats. So

the World Health Organization contains

considers processed meats, salami

bologna, ultrarocessed, you know, kind

of deli meats, delicates, meat you find

in delicates. All right. Um th those

would be uh considered uh

carcinogens and and they're they're they

are uh highly linked to an increased

risk of bowel cancers. Now, why would

that be? Well, it turns out that think

about it. If you're eating a ton of

meat, all right, you're actually

exposing the gut to a lot of those

processed meat carcinogens that when it

sits around in your colon, not one, not

not once in a while, go to the ball

game, have a hot dog, enjoy yourself

but if you eat it day in and day out

you're giving a lot of exposure uh to

your gut. This term

angiogenesis, you talked about the link

that that has to cancer. Angioenesis

from my um novice understanding is how

the blood cells provide blood to

different parts of our body. Right? And

in the case of cancer there's

this the angioenesis system is making a

mistake. Is that a simplified version of

it? Yeah. So angioenesis which is the

field I studied study you break it down

it to to what it's elemental parts of

angio blood blood vessel genesis how the

body grows and maintains them so

androgenesis is how our body grows and

maintains our circulation a lot of

people don't know this but our

circulation is one of our body's health

defense systems and it's so extensive

that in a typical adult there are 60,000

miles worth of blood vessels packed

inside our body. These are the highways

and byways that deliver blood to every

organ and tissue. But that means that

they also deliver the air we breathe

the oxygen we're breathing in, and the

nutrients that we're eating. So we eat

good things, they're going into our

bloodstream, and our blood vessels, our

androgenesis systems develing to every

cell in the body. Now you eat something

bad similarly or you breathe something

in bad, similarly those blood vessels

are delivering something negative. Now

inside the blood vessels um is a lining.

It's called a the lining is like a clear

like a plastic wrap inside the blood

vessel called the endothelial layer.

That's like a layer of ice like on an

ice skating rig to ensure that

everything in the blood vessels are

flowing smoothly without getting caught

on the walls. So when you have

cardiovascular disease, too much uh uh

too much salt to hypertension. When you

have diabetes where you're actually

wearing down the lining of the blood

vessels, endothelial layers being

damaged. It's like um damaging the

lining of your angioenesis defense

system has really deadly consequences

because it's like scraping up the ice on

an ice skating rink. You know, uh if you

actually have a lot of ice skaters on a

rink, after a while it's unskatable

right? You can't get on it. And what

will happen in your bloodstream is then

elements in your blood get caught along

the walls and they build up and that's

actually how blood vessels narrow up. So

that's one of the areas of of of so

androgenesis actually is intended to

deliver oxygen and nutrients to the

tissues that need it for to maintain

your health. But because it's so

critical, it's also very very carefully

controlled so you don't have blood

vessels growing where they should not be

growing. like in your joints, in your

eyes, or of course to cancers. You don't

definitely don't want to be feeding

cancers by delivering oxygen or

nutrients to them. I've got this graph

which shows different things that cause

more or less

angiogenesis. If you've seen this graph

but okay. So, you are showing a graph

that I I generated my my organization

generated. And this is actually you're

looking at the experiment that got me

into food as medicine. Let me explain to

you the experiment. Um I'll just put

I'll put it over here. So um so we were

studying at one

point drugs and we're trying to discover

drugs that could be developed as cancer

treatments. So what we're looking for

are drugs that could cut off the blood

supply to tumors. So we were screening

uh lots of chemicals that biotech

companies were developing and inventing

and professors were inventing and said

hey can you take a look to see if this

could be a worthwhile drug that could

cut off the blood supply to a tumor as a

cancer treatment. All right and at the

time there were no such treatments. So

it was all discovery like this was you

know like the like the golden age of

discovery when it came to androgenesis.

We were testing oh my gosh this thing

could really stop blood vessels. Could

we develop this into our cancer

treatment? Ultimately, yes. The answer

was yes. But we were looking for them.

And we would f and so we developed a

system where we could add a substance

into a laboratory test system to see if

blood vessels would grow or shrink. And

so here on this graph, you can see at

the very top a very long bar of blood

vessels growing. That's normal, healthy

blood vessels growing out as long as

they can. And then what we would do is

we would throw drugs into it and we

would see if we could actually shrink

them up. And so some of the uh shorter

bars uh uh are uh cancer drugs. Uh you

can see them uh in this color in blue.

Not surprisingly, some of the cancer

drugs were making the blood vessels

smaller. Hey, this could be a good

candidate drug. And we were also testing

other uh drugs that were available, not

used for cancer to see if they would

work. Sure, we discovered some of those

too. But I did something a little bit

subversive and as you know, you know, if

you want to be disruptive, you got to

sometimes um disrupt yourself in order

to be able to do this. So this is our

experiment that we were doing at the

Androenesis Foundation. We decided to

disrupt ourselves. So we said, we have a

whole system of drugs to test. Let's

remove half of them and let's swap them

out with powders that came from

food. All right? Just to see what would

happen. And when we actually tested

foods in the same system used to develop

drugs, food as medicine, tested in the

same system that medicines are

developed, we found what you see on this

bar chart in red, we actually found that

dietary factors, stuff that's found in

food, could actually cut down the blood

supply that would be growing to feed a

cancer. In other words, there's

anti-angioenic foods. You can see the

green tea. You could see the onions and

garlics and red grapes and strawberries.

Um, it was really an eye openener to me

for when I saw these results. It made my

jaw drop and I said, "My god, foods have

potency just like drugs." I was I was a

skeptic. All right. And I and it just

made me realize like this is something

that I had to pursue. This was an area

of research that I

absolutely had to actually look further

into. A drug takes a decade and a

billion or more dollars to be able to

develop from uh from scratch to reaching

a patient and then not everyone who

needs a treatment can actually get the

drug. But a food has immediiacy. If you

discover something amazing about a food

whether it's matcha, whether it's purple

potatoes, whether it's a strawberry

that could that that that immediacy

could be used beneficially without

toxicity. All right? Uh and affordably.

And so I just saw this as this was this

experiment is what brought me into the

realm of food is medicine. So I'm going

to ask some stupid questions here. So on

here I can see that for example soy

extract causes less angiogenesis which

what I understand is the the growth of

these blood vessels. But does that mean

that if I have lots of soy extract or

arichoke or parsley or berries that it's

going to cause other parts of my body

not to grow blood cells? So this is the

great question that let let me kind of

reframe the question as you're asking

it. If uh experiments are able to show

that certain foods can uh prevent blood

vessels from growing, will that actually

cause a problem with your body's health

defenses to keep blood vessels from

growing in healthy tissues? Yeah. All

right. Answer is no. And here's why. as

a health defense system. Our

androgenesis system is completely

designed to yoke in the right number of

blood vessels to give just amount just

the right amount of blood flow. Not too

much, not too little. I call it the

Goldilocks zone. You know, Goldilocks a

fairy tale. Um, you know, the bears were

home invaders. They broke into the house

and they were looking for chairs and

porridge and beds. Not too hot, not too

cold, but just right. All of our health

defenses, including the androgenesis

health defense, is hardwired to keep the

body just right. So, what that means is

that eating foods like artichokes or

strawberries or soy can actually help

your body prevent extra blood vessels

from growing towards cancer, for

example, and and other diseased tissues

but it will not override the body's

natural ability to get the right amount

of blood vessels to the right tissue. So

you don't have to worry about starving

your healthy tissues. You're just uh

cutting off the bad blood vessels of the

tissue. I can I call it like a

landscaper on a golf course that that

breaks out the lawn mower to mow that uh

the golf course so it's got a perfect

level um of the lawn. You're not going

to actually uh carve out a bald spot uh

in on in a country club. You're going to

get just the right amount. Similarly

and um we're not talking about this

graph. There's another graph that can

actually show foods that you can eat

that can grow blood vessels, healthy

blood vessels where you want them. And

it turns out things like fruit peel uh

uh can actually do that. And barley can

grow new blood vessels. And dark

chocolate can actually help to support

blood vessels as well. And some of these

things can also work on both sides of

the equation. They can prune away the

bad extra blood vessels and it can grow

them whenever you need them. So your

body is sort of like the gardener

extraordinaire. and knows exactly how to

actually tend. You give them the right

ingredients, they know exactly where to

put the grass seed, and they know

exactly where to mow the lawn. Have you

ever had cancer in your family? Yes. Um

cancer's touched my family like it has

for most people. Um, I had two uncles

uh years ago that passed away. One

passed away from colon cancer, one

passed away from liver cancer. And, you

know, I was a doctor at the time. And so

I felt so uh

helpless uh because as a doctor I could

I could diagnose I could lay hands on I

could feel the hard liver I could feel

the masses and I felt at the time

helpless even though I was doing the

research cancer research and finding

future paths I felt like this was we

we're we're not there yet and we can't I

couldn't help him. I felt I felt

powerless. Fast

forward, we're now at a point where

we're beginning to see the light at the

end of the tunnel. And my mother, when

my mother had cancer, so my uncle's

sister, my mother, wound up having

endometrial cancer, she was 80 years

old. one day um had some bleeding, went

to the hospital, found a mass, she had a

hyerectomy to remove her uterus and

ovaries, and they found in there an

endometrial cancer. That's a cancer, the

lining of the uterus. The surgery and a

little bit of radiation was supposed to

take care of it.

Unfortunately, in her case, those little

cancer stem cells and it was microscopic

cancers that were present took off

raced off in her 80-year-old body, which

you know, weaker immune system when

you're 80. Uh, and within a few months

after successfully recovering from the

surgery, she had stage four cancer

everywhere. All right? And her

oncologist told me, uh, Dr. Lee, you

know, you're a doctor as well. You know

this is serious and this is pretty much

the time of game over. And

now times have changed. Science had

advanced. Progress has advanced. At that

time when my mother was diagnosed with

stage 4 cancer

immunotherapy, the latest and greatest

I think advancement in cancer treatment

had just broken through and become

approved. Imunotherapy is not

chemotherapy. It doesn't actually poison

the cancer. Imunotherapy is a medicine

that you give a cancer patient that

wakes up your own immune system. Whether

you're a young person or an old person

it can wake up your immune system. All

right? And my mother had imunotherapy.

She was one of the early patients that

got imunotherapy. And her own

80-year-old immune system woke up like a

super like an army of super soldiers and

went after that cancer. Now, we

completely adjusted her diet to so that

her body between treatments would be as

strong as possible. Shields raised as

we've been talking about. And we gave

her a little bit of radiation to to to

help the uh the her immune system spot

the cancer. Guess what

happened? Three treatments of

imunotherapy, three three weeks apart.

So, time zero is the first treatment.

Three weeks later, the next treatment.

Three weeks after that, the next

treatment. All right. So, we're talking

about like total nine weeks of three

treatments. All right. Of these three

treatments, we scanned her stage four

went to stage

zero, and she never had chemotherapy.

Now, chemotherapy can be helpful too

with imunotherapy, but this was where I

saw firsthand close up in my own family

the ability to harness your body's own

health defenses in a way that I couldn't

do for my

uncle 15 years ago before. And we lost

them. And we were to save my mom. And I

can tell you, I literally had dinner

with my mom two days ago, and she's 90

91, 10, 11 years later, completely

healthy, completely cancer-free. And by

the way, this

amunotherapy, if we could only get this

to work as well for everyone. This is

where we are in the history of medicine.

We can see an end. We know how we can

get to an end. We've actually seen

successes. We just can't get it to work

for everyone yet. And there are

different ways to actually wake up your

immune system. Another way that I'm

working on now that um a colleague of

mine in Germany is working on is also

absolutely jaw-droppingly amazing.

Imagine this. Somebody has cancer and

you're going to they're going to get a

biopsy no matter what. They're going to

take some tissue out to look at it under

the microscope. What kind of cancer is

it? A brain? Is it breast? Is it a

colon? Is it pancreas? Where is it

coming from? You're gonna get a

diagnosis. Right now, up until recently

that's all we did with the tissue, the

biopsy. You just got a result, and it's

kind of like a death sentence, depending

on what type of cancer, and you're

supposed to then go to the guidelines

and open up the the the the treatment

book to say, well, what's the pathway we

should what's the recipe we should

follow for treatment. Too often, those

recipes don't work very well for very

long. Now, what if I told you that where

we are headed with cancer therapy is a

new frontier where you take the tumor

with the biopsy, sure, look it under the

microscope, call it out, uh uh define

what it is, and then you send it to a

lab where you do complete full-on

genetics. You sequence the entire cancer

genome. All right? Right now, we do

sequence. We take a dozen, two dozen

three dozen. I'm talking about doing 20

30,000 genes, right? Right now, most

people say it's not worth it. We don't

know what we do with all that

information. What if I told you if you

took a tumor and sequenced all the

genes, you find every mutation, every

typographical error that we talked about

earlier that's in that cancer. Those are

the smoking guns of the cancer. Now

what if I took a piece of a little

normal blood, normal cells, and sequence

that too? All right. Now people are be

hearing me talk who are oncologists or

scientists would say I don't know what

you're talking about that's double the

waste of effort because now you're going

to sequence the human genome twice in a

single patient what are you going to do

with all that information ah this is

where technology sits in artificial

intelligence machine learning let's now

have a computer compare normal cells

with tumor cells back and forth and back

and forth and back and forth subtract

out all the mutations that are found in

normal cells

leaving only the smoking gun mutations

in the cancer. Couple hundred are going

to be left. Those are the smoking guns.

Those are the doers that led to this

cancer. Now imagine, and I'm going to

give you an analogy here. Do you

remember that Tom Cruz movie uh Minority

Report? Yeah. So you remember like he

was wearing these gloves and you have a

glass pane and you can actually move the

uh things around on the glass with your

fingertips, right? So now imagine you

can take these human uh the the the

cancer mutations on the bottom of this

glass screen and you can just randomly

with your fingers pick out 20 random

mutations and move them up on the

screen. All right, now you've just

picked out the mutations and now you can

connect the mutations together. I call

it a pearl necklace. Imagine every

mutation is a pearl and you connect them

together with the string that connects a

pearl necklace. Now now you get what I'm

saying? Like now we've taken the tumor

find out the doers, the the the the uh

the smoking guns. Now we've strung them

together. Okay, this is the most wanted

sign that you would actually place out

for the criminal. And now imagine you

hit

print technology. And now you have a

protein printer that prints out those

smoking guns as a protein, as a protein

full of your own individual cancer of

that particular person. Now you take

that protein and you inject it under the

skin and you're challenging your own

immune system. You're vaccinating

yourself with the with your own cancer

and you're c causing your own immune

system to say, "Aha, this is a bad guy.

We're going to develop antibodies to go

find our immune system. We're going to

get ratcheted up to go find that

cancer." Well, this is happening right

now in clinical trials. I have a a

colleague named Saskia Biscup that is

actually developing peptide vaccine

treatments against cancer. And if you

want to see some amazing results, um

there was a paper we published in Nature

uh communications about a year ago that

showed in more than a 100 people with

glyobblasto that is a game over brain

cancer. Nobody lives more than a couple

of years with this. All right. That with

this treatment, we've been able to

actually show that some patients with

their own immune system woken up can

actually keep them alive and

cancer-free brain cancer. Like that is

no win-win situation. Impossible to

possible. And actually somebody who I've

just recruited as an ambassador to my

nonprofit organization, the Andrew

Genesis Foundation, I strongly encourage

people who want to have a modicum of

hope, who wants to see what I'm talking

about in real life on social media.

There's a woman named Rebecca Divine.

She's okay with me giving her name. Her

handle is that brainy blonde. It's a

it's a triple antandra. She's blonde.

She's very smart, but she had a

glyobblastoma 7 years ago and she is

thriving alive with his imunotherapy. So

between my mother, Rebecca Divine, I'm

just telling you like I've had well I've

known well over a dozen people who

there's no way they'd be here today if

it wasn't for the scientific advances

that all shore up the body's health

defense systems, specifically the immune

system. But that's the drugs alone

aren't enough. you really can take

advantage at home of your own diet and

lifestyle to be able to tip those odds

in your favor. I've heard you say that

amunotherapy is more likely to be

successful if you have certain bacteria

in your gut.

Yeah, that is okay. So

in

2017, I helped to convene a cancer

research conference in Paris.

uh and we called it rethinking cancer

and we brought the world's best minds

out there and one of the um researchers

uh uh named Dr. Laurance Zogle she's at

the in Paris works in Paris at the

institute Gustaf Rousi she is an

imuninooncologist so she studies

imunotherapy for cancer and at the time

we had uh we we asked her to

present uh some uh groundbreaking

results that were embargoed at the time.

So our research, our conference was the

first time it was ever presented and she

said

in a 100 people who were receiving

imunotherapy for uh different types of

cancer that if you looked at the

difference between people who responded

lived did well versus people who didn't

respond didn't do well died. All right?

And that's the frustration with the

types of treatments my mom had. um you

know, some people do well, some people

don't do well. We pull our hair out

trying to figure out like what's going

on? How do we make people do better?

Well, it turns out that when you compare

everything gender age coorbidities

uh uh all the other genetic factors. The

research that was presented showed that

there was no differences between the

groups of responders, people who did

well versus people who didn't do well

for

imunotherapy, except for one thing.

That one thing was one

bacteria. The responders had one

bacteria called acromancia mucinophila.

So most bacteria have a genus and

species. First name, last name, first

name is acrimancia, last name is

mucinophila. Okay, it likes to grow in

mucus. Mucinophilia. Where is there a

lot of mucus? In the colon. Where's the

colon? That's the on this model the blue

area. So acromancy grows right here in

the seeum which is the pouch uh in the

colon right at the beginning before you

take the up elevator to the top of of

the colon. That's where it grows. If you

if the people had that

acromancia they would respond to

imunotherapy. So what what the

researcher did they she took out the

acromancia and brought it to her lab of

the responders from humans and and gave

it to mice who were not responding to

imotherapy. Boom. she'd recom she'd

resurrect the immune response to kill

the cancer. So this is one of the first

bacteria and there there may be many

many that we haven't yet discovered. All

right. So like my whole career has all

been about discovery. There may be more

bacteria but we discovered at least one

the presence of which seems to be

absolutely vital if you are a patient

receiving imunotherapy

uh the type of imunotherapy called

checkpoint inhibitors. uh if you want to

uh uh tip the odds in your own favor of

being a responder. Now, how do you get

acromancia? Well, at the time uh there

was no acromancia probiotics. Now, you

can actually find acromancia probiotics

but but at the time this was coming out

you you had to grow your own acromancia

DIY acromancia. All right. So, how do

you grow it? Well, it turns out that

there are certain foods you can eat that

grow acromancia. What are those foods?

Pomegranate. Pomegranate juice.

Pomegranate seeds will grow acromancia.

Cranberries

uh, cranberry juice, dried cranberries

will grow acromancia. Conquered grape

juice or conquered grapes will grow

acromancia. Chili peppers will actually

grow acromancia. Chinese black vinegar.

You ever go to dim sum and have soup

dumplings? Oh yeah. The black vinegar

sauce that they use for for as a

condiment to the soup dumplings. Chinese

black vinegar. That will prompt your

body to grow acromancy as well. So, what

is your diet of preference then? There's

so many different diets that we've

people speak about when they talk about

cancer and other chronic diseases. Um

as I think I said to you beforehand, I'm

on an extremely low carb diet, which is

like VG is on keto, but I kind of bounce

in and out of ketosis. What What do you

think of Let's start with the the

ketogenic diet. Do you have a view on on

that kind of diet? Yeah. So, let me just

give you my my perspective on

diets. Lots of different diets out

there. They're all designed uh with kind

of a specific perspective and a

particular goal in mind. Often times

diet, whether you're talking about South

Beach or keto or carnivore or vegan, you

know, um they're all designed to achieve

a certain kind of goal, uh most of them

are very very difficult to maintain for

a long period of time. Now people are

vegans uh and vegetarians and they're

that's something that because of the

diversity of the food that you can you

can actually maintain that but you know

if you're only doing pure keto that's

very difficult to do. So

most popular trending diets are

short-lived

short-term solutions and they'll kind of

force your body to do something all

right but you can't keep it up. And so a

diet that you can't keep up isn't to me

a very practical diet because you're

going to bursts of activity that you

just can't do your whole life. I find

that it's much more healthy in the long

run if you can find a sustainable way of

eating that works for you personally

that you can maintain and that you're

going to enjoy your life as well. Most

people who are on really strict diets

they're not enjoying their diet, you

know, like people who only eat meat

only eat carnivore diet or only eat raw

food. Listen, you can't don't con me.

You can't you can't be enjoying eating

raw food, you know, your entire life

you know, navigating through society and

seeing other people, you know, eat a big

steaming plate of pasta or something

you know, or going to a Chinese

restaurant. So, what I'm saying is that

trending diets are well-intentioned. and

they often are designed to do one thing

but you can't keep it up. So, it doesn't

really at the end of the day contribute

to the ultimate uh goal. What I prefer

and where I think the science takes us

where the next frontier for like

lifetime health is tearing a page from

the playbook of some of the healthiest

cuisines in the world. And I would say

Mediterranean is the hot bed, the

crucible of a lot of healthy diets, not

just the blue zones. might think but but

there but there are blue zones in the

Mediterranean also Asia uh there's a

blue zone in Asia as well but you know

look there's also a blue zone in Latin

America if you take a look at the common

denominator of what's going on in the

Mediterranean and Asia is a very healthy

plantforward fresh seasonal uh healthy

cooking oils healthy preparation style

absolutely delicious way of eating. I

mean, come on. Take if I were to take

you to a Mediterranean restaurant or to

a Asian restaurant, I would find it hard

to believe that you wouldn't, you and I

opening a menu couldn't find something

that we would enjoy eating. Right? So

Mediterranean is what how I tell people

I actually eat. That's my quote diet.

Why do the Japanese seem to do so well

on when we think about the world's

healthiest countries? Looking at some

data here, some a variety of different

graphs that I have in front of me. And

Japan seems to continually seem to come

out on top as it relates to health span.

Yeah. Okay. Well, um there's no one

single factor I think that was

responsible for it, but it is true. Um

the the Japanese uh demographics uh show

uh consistently some of the uh oldest

longest living people, you know, they

tend first and foremost. Okay, before we

talk about what they eat, let me tell

you what they don't do. They don't

overeat. And I'm giving a purposeful

pause there because

overeating, caloric loading, okay, uh is

very damaging to our metabolism. It

actually counters uh our ability for

long to to live long. It actually speeds

up our cellular aging. It's it it sets

up inflammation. So, by cutting down on

your caloric intake every day, that's

one of the things is that the Japanese

culture, the the the culinary and

gastronomic approach to food in Japan

tends to uh favor modesty. Uh uh uh

undereating rather than overeating. I've

got a question here. How do how do I

know if I'm overeating?

Okay. So, so there's a Confucian saying

uh that's been translated into the

Japanese that they that's a mantra which

is harachi which means stop eating when

you're 80% full. I asked this question

because I have a friend who was I think

it was on this podcast so um don't think

I'm revealing anything. He actually sat

next to me um when Peter was talking to

him. He's Jack who um runs production

for us. He had his DEXA scan done which

looks at your visceral fat, subcutaneous

fat, muscle mass, bone density, those

kinds of things. Yeah. And he's a slim

guy. He's much slimmer than I am.

And the diagnosis that came back from

the doctor basically said, "You're

overnourished." And when I look at him

he doesn't look like someone that's

overnourished. And the the doctor

essentially said to him that you need to

reduce your calories. Now, I'm looking

at this guy thinking, "This is a slim

guy. This guy's like much much slimmer

than I am, yet the doctor's telling him

that he's overeating.

Yeah. So, I wrote a whole book on this

called Eat to Beat Your Diet, which is

not a diet book. It's an anti-diet book

that really um uh uh unccloaks the new

science of your metabolism. And what I

try to say in terms of sharing that

science is that first of all, body fat

which society is regarded as a bad

thing. We don't nobody wants fat, right?

Um is actually a good thing. Body fat's

an organ in the body. Did you know that?

Like it's it's one of our body organs.

Um our body fat, it is distributed

throughout our body. And what does it do

as an organ? Well, it's got some

cushioning effect. So, you know, like if

you didn't have any body fat, by the

way, you tripped on the stairs and you

hit the ground, you might rupture your

organs. All right, that's so that has a

little bit of a cushion effect

marshmallowy cushion effect. But our fat

also is a fuel tank to store fuel. So

when we're eating calories, our calories

are our energy. We're eating food, we're

eating calories. That's our energy.

That's that's a fuel our body runs off

of. I always tell people if you have a

car and you're filling it up with

gasoline at the petrol station or the

gas station, um you don't even think

about your gas until your fuel gauge

starts to run low. And the same thing

for our our our bodies is that we don't

think about our fuel until we're hungry.

And our our hunger in our brain and our

gut is really as our fuel tank that

signals, you know, we're getting towards

that red line. Better go fill fill up.

Now, unlike a gas station or petrol

station, there's no clicker on our body.

We can keep stuffing food into our

system. We can very easily overload our

fuel tank. Okay, that is you've got you

got to cut back on your calories. That's

what you your your friend heard when the

doctor was saying you got to cut back on

your calories because you're overloading

on fuel. So, where does so where does

the fat build up? It's there's different

areas that fat in your body builds up.

Now, the fat can there's white fat and

there's uh uh uh brown fat. White fat

can be under your chin, could be under

your arms, could be in your thighs and

your butt, could be your your the the

muffin top, you know, around your waist.

But that's not where the most dangerous

fat builds up. The most dangerous fat

inflammatory fat, is a fat that builds

up in the inside the tube of your body.

So if you think of your body like a

poster tube, okay, inside that tube and

all this gut is I'm sorry, the the body

cavity, if you were to slice this body

in half and look at a cross-section, all

right, it's a tube. You can fill all you

any of these uh interstitial areas

between organs, you can pack with fat.

So think about you're going to FedEx

something to somebody overnight mail uh

a vase or or a glass or bottle of wine

or whatever. you're going to pack it

full of peanuts and you're going to put

it into a package. Well, look, you can

get a big box and put a lot more peanuts

on or you can take a skinny box that

would just fit it and you'll put it in.

So, it doesn't really matter the size of

your tube. You could be a skinny person

and you could pack it with a lot of

peanuts. In this case, visceral fat. And

that's what you're talking about in a

skinny person with too much visceral

fat, too many peanuts packed in there.

And that is a result of overconumption

of calories. that fat, that energy, the

fuel tanks building up within a skinny

body. Yeah. And that's what we call

skinny fat. I am still like mildly in

shock about it because because I saw his

results, I I panicked. So the next day I

also went to the same clinic as him. I

had my Dexus stan scan done and it came

back and said that I had quote zero

visceral fat. So my results from Dr.

Peter said I had zero visceral fat which

he said was rare but I had subcutaneous

fat which is the fat on the outside more

than Jack did. So Jack had visceral fat

which is the fat inside us, and he had

he has like almost no subcutaneous fat

and I'm kind of the inverse of that. And

I don't what like I was trying to figure

out why is my body when I eat something

putting the fat subcutaneously on the

outside, whereas Jack's body is putting

the fat on the inside, which is the the

dangerous fat. Here is um an interesting

thing. Let's look at the opposite of

building up subcutaneous fat, which is

the external fat, not the not the

danger, the external fat. Yeah. So

okay. So, there's two kinds of body fat.

White fat and brown fat. White they're

all good. They're all beneficial. Um

white fat can be subcutaneous.

Subcutaneous means under the skin, under

your jaw, under the skin of your jaw

under your arms, on your thighs. That's

subcutaneous. White fat can also be

visceral fat. That's deep inside the

tube of your body. And then brown fat is

not wiggly jiggly like the other like

white fat. Brown fat is wafer thin and

it's plastered around our neck. It's

behind our breast bone, a little bit

behind between our shoulder blades, a

little bit in our belly. And brown fat

actually is metabolically as a active

and it fires up a process called

thermogenesis to burn down harmful

visceral extra body fat. So you can use

good fat to burn down bad fat, which is

the amazing thing. Again, fat is not

universally bad. It's actually quite

good. And uh so one of the things that I

think is really important to know is

that when you've got too much visceral

fat, you got too much inflammation, but

you can actually use your brown fat to

try to um control that to try to burn it

down. Brown fat, by the way, is

activated by foods and activated by cold

temperatures. So when you talk about

your cold

plunge, brown fat can actually light up.

So, you you've just handed me a card.

I'll describe this in which there's two

pictures of a figure. And one of the uh

pictured on the left is room

temperature. And it's not cold. It's

regular room temperature. And this is

the same individual, by the way. And you

can't see anything lighting up because

the brown fat is just adjusted to normal

room temperature. Now, on the right hand

side is when you actually um lower the

temperature in an ice bath or something.

No, no. This is actually just lowering

the room temperature. Really, really

cold. Like a like a like a laboratory

condition lowering the room temperature.

And boom, you see all this brown fat

lighting up. Remember I told you it's

it's plastered around the neck, behind

the breast bone, uh a little bit in your

belly. And this is mother nature's

adaptation in evolution to help animals

survive cold temperatures. So before we

had thermostats and room heaters, um uh

uh think about a by the way, brown fat

was discovered in hibernating animals.

Um there was a zoologologist uh who was

looking at plucked out a uh kind of a

muskrat looking animal from hibernation

and dissected it and found that there

was this brown lump that was between its

shoulder blades and nobody knew what it

was. They just and the more researchers

and biologists and zoologologists looked

at animals that were hibernating, they

they found this very consistently. In

fact, they called that brown mass first

a

hibernoma. Hyper

hibernating a mass we don't know what it

does. Okay. um a

hybrer who in the beginning we didn't

have microscopes and then we had

microscopes and we had really great

microscopes and all of a sudden in 1930s

the researcher uh at UCLA said you know

that hibonoma is actually made of fat

cells and those fat cells are brown and

the reason they're brown is because they

have a lot of mitochondria in it.

Mitochondria being the fuel cells of our

body, like they're the batteries of our

body. They're packing the they're the

energy generators in our cell. And

mitochondria are very rich in iron. And

when iron is oxidized, it turns brown

like a pile of nails that you've put

outside your door and the outdoors.

Silver nails will turn

brown. Brown fat packed with

mitochondria, energy generating, packed

with iron, oxidizes, turns brown. That's

why brown fat is brown. And and so what

happens is that in cold temperatures

like in hibernation in winter, the brown

fat fires up and that's what keep keeps

these hibernating animals warm

throughout the winter so they don't

freeze to death. Now humans, we can

actually use that to our advantage. We

can actually activate our brown fat.

Cold bath will do it. U sleeping in cold

cooler warms will actually start to

activate it as well. When that, by the

way, that when those mitochondria fire

up, they are burning energy. You know

where they draw the energy from? From

your white fat. From your visceral fat

first. So you want brown fat, good fat

to burn down bad fat, visceral fat

white fat. You want to sleep in a cool

room or you want to go into a cold bath.

And there are lots of foods that will

also you can eat foods to activate your

brown fat to burn down harmful fat. Um

and then the last thing is cortisol. the

job that we have. I know this doesn't

sound like a hard job to be a podcaster

but the in Jack's role, he's basically

working seven days a week sometimes. You

know, he's working early hours of the

morning. He's traveling around the world

with me to come to these studios. It is

I observe it. It's a stressful job. So

I was wondering if these if all of these

factors play a role in in how our body

chooses where to store things. And

really like the role of cortisol in

determining fat storage is so

interesting to me. like the role of

stress in determining where our fat is

stored.

Yeah. Well, I mean cortisol is a stress

hormone. It actually snaps us into uh

action. It actually is also healing.

Cortisol is a got multiple job

descriptions. It's kind of like a Swiss

Army knife of hormones. Uh and uh in a

in small bursts, cortisol incredible

like and it makes you feel good as well.

I mean it's a kind basically it's a it's

a type of body steroid. So cortisol is a

very very useful hormone for all kinds

of reasons. But long-term stress uh will

lead to excessive prolonged unabated

cortisol secretion. And when your

cortisol levels are up up and and

relentlessly that then actually changes

your metabolism. It definitely alters

your the ability for your fat to

actually conduct its metabolism. I mean

fat releases itself about 15 different

hormones. So, when you mess up the

hormonal structure, the endocrine

structure of your own body fat with

something like excessive cortisol

you'll actually begin to derail your own

metabolism. So, it's not the short-term

cortisol, it's a long-term cortisol

that's actually the most damaging. Why

is visceral fat dangerous? Because

people refer to it as being linked a lot

of chronic disease and cancers and stuff

like that, but what evidence do we have

that it's dangerous? And what why is it

dangerous? Yeah, because the tube of

your body with all the organs packed

into it, just like we're seeing here.

Look at all these organs packed in. You

got your liver, you got your stomach

you got your your colon and your small

intestines that's packed into the tube.

All right, it is it's it's kind of like

uh packing for vacation. You know, some

people are really really skilled at

packing. They can actually uh fold their

socks and underwear and their pants and

it's like, oh my, you're a genius.

You're you're packing genius right now.

visceral fat grows between those folded

shirts and pants and it and it fills all

that space in there. When you have too

much of it, not only does it fill up

that the suitcase of your body, the tube

of your body, but it starts to push on

organs, which is not healthy because

it's all packing inside the between the

spaces, the potential spaces in there.

And then when they grow, when it grows

beyond its own blood supply, the

visceral fat um starts to starve. It

becomes hypoxic, meaning it's not

getting enough oxygen. bigger than the

amount of blood vessels that are growing

in there. And now you've got the center

of the fat star of oxygen. Uh the

inflammatory cells start moving in. And

now you've got this fat that's outgrown

its own blood supply that's now becoming

very inflammatory. And because it's

packed all throughout your the tube of

your body into the suitcase of your

body, it's leaking out that inflammation

everywhere. So, think about it like if

you have a neatly packed suitcase and

you're like, I'm, you know, I'm going to

put um I'm going to put some uh uh

lotion and cream, canisters of lotion

and cream. I'm going to pack it

everywhere in in between the spaces.

Okay, look uh Stephen, pack a few, but

but let's stop right there. And you're

no, I'm going to pack like 20 or 30 of

them. And you keep on stuffing it. Even

though the suitcase it's a hard suitcase

and you can you can put a lot in there.

Now, you're starting to press on the the

clothing. you're going to scrunch up

your pants. And here in the body, you're

scrunching up your organs. Now, why

don't we make those one of those tubes

uh uh of of cream. Let's break one of

them open. Now, it's leaking. All right?

And that's what's happening when your

fat is so inflame so inflamed, it starts

to leak, inflammation. Now, imagine that

that cream uh starts to leak out into

the interstites of your suitcase. Now

you've got a suitcase. Looks skinny on

the outside. It looks like it just looks

like a suitcase. It's a could be a

carry-on. But now all the organs, all

the clothes you packed so neatly are

squeezed and scrunched off and now the

lotion is leaking everywhere. That is

the analogy of excess body fat in a

small container spreading out

compressing the organs and leaking out

and that's why it's dangerous. Oh gosh.

And that there's a link there to cancer.

Yeah. So studies have actually shown

that and this was a study uh done uh by

Cornell in New York um looking at

Swedish women who were normal body size

or skinny. So you've heard of skinny

fat. This is what they were studying.

And they looked at these women uh to see

they did DEEXA scans as you described um

to see how much body fat they had. And

then they followed them over 13 years

and they actually found that women who

did not have extra body fat had you know

normal risk of breast cancer but women

who had skinny fat remember all the

women in the study and so 3,000 women

actually were normal body size not I

mean they weren't super models but they

were they were just normalsized women

some of them were slimmer than others

but none of them were obese none of them

were overweight u just normal size Um

and they but they knew at the b baseline

what the DEXA scan showed and what they

found is that women who had excess body

fat over the period of 13 years had a

three-fold increase in the risk of

developing breast cancer and it's linked

to higher met inflammatory markers in

their bloodstream which makes total

sense. The leaking body cream, the

leaking inflammation, you know, in a

skinny tube, all right, or normalized

tube, normal suitcase. Look, the

suitcase can't expand bigger. It's it's

got a finite size um but it's leaking

out and and this is because cancer

thrives in an inflammatory environment.

If you have inflammation without even a

microscopic cancer like we talked about

but a small tumor putting inflammation

in the environment of a cancer is like

pouring gasoline on the embers of a

fire. You ever go camping, you have a

campfire, it's almost out at the very

end. Now if you pour some gasoline it

boom whoosh you're going to have to

create a bonfire all over again. That's

how dangerous inflammation is. So that's

why excess visceral fat, inflammatory

fat, is so dangerous and linked to

cancer. And by the way, not just breast

cancer. Turns out that excess visceral

fat has been linked to 14 other cancers.

Increased risk of 14 other cancers.

Everything from colon, ovarian, lung

breast, prostate. Uh it it's the it's a

it's a growing list of cancers that seem

to be at put you would be at higher risk

if you had high levels of visceral fat.

And it makes total sense given the

inflammation. Don't you hate it when you

have a good idea and then you forget?

For the last two years, I've been

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in JAMAMA and it examined the impact of

illness anxiety disorder which they call

I a formerly known as hypochondriitis

and the impact that being avoidant of

health and illness has on your mortality

rates. And they the researcher analyzed

data from approximately 45,000

individuals over a 24-year period

comparing 4,000 patients who had this

anxiety around their health and were

avoidant. And the findings showed that

those with IAD that were anxious about

health and getting checkups and those

kinds of things had an 84% higher risk

of death during the study period, dying

on average 5 years earlier than those

without the disorder. And again

causation is hard to establish there

because it could mean that being an

anxious person means your cortisol's up

anyway. being an anxious person means

you make worse dietary choices. But I

I've always remembered that and thought

about how

um how it's I find it much more much

better, especially as I age and I'm

going to be now confronted with more

risks, especially things in men like

prostate cancer. Being on the front foot

um is probably a better approach. Well

uh and if you take some proactive

approaches using food as medicine where

you got to eat three, you know, you got

to eat every day. Most most of most

people eat three times a day. Most

people encounter food about five times a

day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, and a

couple of snacks. If you realize every

time you're encountering food is an

opportunity, an opportunity to choose a

food, an ingredient that actually

supports raises your shields, supports

your health defense systems. and know

that and trust your body, trust your

health defense systems that if you raise

your shields, you're less likely to

actually have uh have problems later

won't eliminate them. Okay? There's no

guarantees in life, but it'll lower the

risk. Here's an example. Um Stephen, you

know, research studies have shown that

tomatoes are good for overall um health.

You mentioned prostate cancer. So

studies have shown that uh men who eat

tomatoes regularly, cooked tomatoes

actually have a 29% lower risk of

developing prostate cancer. It's pretty

good. Uh what's the dose of the tomatoes

that you need to cook tomatoes you need

to eat? Two to three servings per week.

All right, I can probably I can probably

accomplish that. How much each time do I

got to eat a wheelbarrow of tomatoes

each time? No. the the typical serving

that this study supports is just half a

cup of tomato cooked tomatoes is per

serving. How do they know this stuff?

Because obviously how do they isolate

that in a test? So these are from

largecale population studies. In this

case it's a it's a uh epidemiological

study called a uh health professionals

follow-up study where they looked at

they developed hypotheses and they

looked at outcomes over the course of 25

years and they looked for statistical

correlations. So they found that um

tomatoes lowered the risk of prostate

cancer based on people reporting their

tomato eating. Then they actually went

back and look at the report within the

data collected. How much how much do

they eat on average every week? So that

then you can actually back calculate the

dose. All right. Now I I told you

earlier about the way that I do research

foods and medicine research. Let's take

it further. Let's figure out what's in a

tomato. Well, tomatoes have lots of it's

got it's got sugar. It's got uh some

salt. It's got uh carotenoids which are

bioactives. One of which is lycopine.

Well, okay. What does lycopine do? Guess

what lycopine does? Lycopine in the lab

will cut off the blood supply to tumors.

Anti-androenesis shores up your health

defense systems. Prevents cancer from

getting a blood supply. And in fact in

correlative studies um uh they've

actually taken the prostate cancer

biopsies of men who did not avoid

prostate uh cancer. So they were tomato

eaters who went on to develop prostate

cancer anyway. There's no nothing takes

you versus zero. And they looked at them

and what they found is that those men

who ate more tomatoes had fewer blood

vessels in their prostate cancer and the

prostate cancers were also less

aggressive. So people who ate four times

and five times and six times had fewer

and less aggressive blood vessels

growing into their prostate cancer. So

that's an example where you know if I

told you

um consider having some cooked tomatoes

a few times a week and you don't need a

lot. Even half a cup is enough. Oh, why

cooked tomatoes? Well, because it turns

out lycopine is uh a natural chemical

that in its native form, pick a tomato

off the vine and eat it that like an

apple, it's absorbed in your body, but

not avidly, not as much as

possible. Um, what is that? That is

coffee. Okay. And we've been talking a

little bit about brown fat. Yeah. Is

there a link between fat and coffee?

Because I heard someone the other day

saying that if you want to lose weight

drink coffee. And I wasn't sure if that

was well. So coffee is a beverage made

with coffee beans. Coffee beans are

plant-based foods. Coffee beans contain

many polyphenols including chlorogenic

acid. Chlorogenic acid is

anti-inflammatory. Chlorogenic acid also

turns on your brown fat. So it activates

it triggers your brown fat and it causes

your brown fat the mitochondria to fire

up undergo thermogenesis to burn down

harmful white fat or visceral fat. So

cup of coffee a day or actually the dose

is actually about three to four cups of

coffee a day will definitely cause your

brown fat, good fat to burn down your

bad fat, your harmful fat, your visceral

fat. What about fasting?

People people often talk about fasting

as a as an intervention as a form of

medicine for the body. And I wondered if

you had a take on that. Yeah, f listen

fasting is beneficial. Fasting is good

and fasting is very old. It's not just a

recent trend. uh if you go back

thousands of years, I mean if you look

at some of mo some of the oldest

religions of the world, fasting was part

of their ritual that would happen, you

know, throughout the year. Now, people

go, "Well, what about intermittent

fasting? How long should I fast?" I try

to tell people there is no

magic formula for success for fasting

because we're all different and our

bodies are different. Our lifestyles are

different. There's no universal fasting

protocol that's going to be

one-sizefits-all. However, I will tell

you an easy way to fast because fasting

is very natural to us is just paying

attention to what you do every day and

be mindful. So, when you're sleeping

you're not eating. When you're not

eating, you're fasting. So, I try to be

reassuring. So, guess what? You're

fasting every day anyway. When you fall

asleep, you're fasting. All right? And

the longer you're not eating and

sleeping, the more time your metabolism

the Ferrari of your of your metabolism

of your body can switch gears to burn

down any extra fat that's accumulated.

Now, if you've been eating whatever you

want over time, you probably built up a

lot of extra fat. Now, from your scans

apparently not. You don't have too much.

All right? But you if you you're fasting

regularly, you're burning down all that

extra stuff. Okay? And so then how do

you optimize that without having to

calendarize your fast and figure out

you know, how to uh schedule your meals?

I try to make things

um as scientific but as practical as

possible. And so I tell people you want

to really get involved in intermittent

fasting. Easiest way is take advantage

of what you're doing already. And that

is if you're sleeping, try to sleep

eight hours a day. So, how do you sleep

eight hours a day? I don't know. I said

if you go to bed at 11 o'clock, get up

at 7 o'clock, you get to eight hours of

sleep. All right, we know that that's

the med the sweet spot for your brain

for your metabolism, for you know, for

burning out harmful body fat. How do you

get more out of that? How do you turn

that eight hours of fasting into more?

Well, what I say is that the night

before when you're eating dinner, let's

say you eat from 7 to 8 o'clock in the

evening, what I say is that when you

finish dinner and you put your dishes

away in the sink or in the dishwasher

that's it. No more eating. Stop eating.

Nothing until the next day. Um, if

you're going to have dessert or

whatever, squeeze it in there. Don't

take a snack with you and sit by the

television or, you know, absent minily

gobble food and don't before you be you

go to bed eat a big chunk of whatever.

Okay, now you got 3 hours before you go

to bed at 11. Again, this is all a

theoretical model. 3 hours of not

eating. Your blood sugar goes down. Your

your insulin goes down because your

blood you're not eating anymore. All

right. Now, your metabolism shifts gears

three hours earlier. Okay. Now you've

got those eight hours plus three hours

you got 11 hours. Now when you get up in

the morning, okay, let's say you get up

at seven in the morning, don't do what

our moms told us to do, right? So when

if you were like me growing up, my mom

when I got up like hurry up and get to

breakfast and eat something so you have

enough energy to actually go to school

and learn something. All right? So

that's I I developed this instinct of

actually just getting up and eating as

quickly as I can, getting some breakfast

in. What if I told you that what I do

now when I get up in the morning, I

deliberately don't do what my mother

told me to do. I get up, I take my time

getting ready, uh, I get dressed. Um, I

don't eat anything right away. In fact

if I'm dressed and I'm ready for the

day, I might go check it out. I might go

outside and take a look at the outside.

I might go for a quick walk or check my

emails or I might read a chapter of a

book or read a few pages of a book. I

wait at least an hour before I eat

anything. Now, let's do the math. Uh

Stephen, 8:00, stop eating. 11 o'clock

go to bed. 3 hours. 11 to 7, 8 hours. 3

plus 8 is equal to 11 hours. I got 11

hours of fasting. Now, I get up and I

don't eat for another hour. Boom. 12

hours of fasting. Just like that. Okay.

Now, if you really want to do that

16hour fasting, 168, just skip breakfast

and get to lunch. And as long as you

don't overeat at lunch, which does

require a little discipline after you go

for your fasting window that you don't

overeat and you're eating the right

foods, that's how you actually get to do

intermittent fasting in the most natural

way possible. So, there's one part of

the body that we haven't talked about

which is and my little mannequin here

inside its head, the brain. And I'm

wondering how some of the themes we've

talked about link to one of the most

common brain diseases which people talk

about, which is Alzheimer's and

dementia. talked about I can't say that

long word but um

angiogenesis is there a link between

angioenesis what we in the brain health

dementia Alzheimer's yeah absolutely so

I mentioned to you that the human body

has got 60,000 miles worth of blood

vessels that are coursing through the

entire body bringing the uh oxygen and

nutrients through the highways and

byways of health right 400 miles of

those blood vessels are in your brain

400 miles of blood vessels are actually

coursing through our brain. And our

brain is super metabolically active. You

know, we're we're the engine of the

brain is functioning all the time.

Regardless of your IQ, regardless of

what type of task you do, our brain is

very very metabolically active, highly

dependent upon a healthy circulation.

Now, what we do know as people get older

is that problems can occur with uh brain

function. And the reason I'm framing it

this way is that it's quick to jump to a

term that people use like dementia or

Alzheimer's disease thinking it's one

thing, but in fact, dementia is just a

descriptive term for your cognition not

working

properly most commonly as you actually

age. Alzheimer's, even though it is one

type of diagnosis, is probably several

different kinds of disease as well. And

we do know that there are different

types of dementia. Alzheimer's is a

subset of dement of dementia

Alzheimer's dementia. There's there's a

more common type of dementia called

vascular dementia and that's where those

400 miles of blood vessels in your body

actually narrow, get hard, get clogged

up, and don't have good blood flow. So

you can imagine if you were to actually

interrupt the sprinkler system, the

tubing, the blood vessels, the

tributaries bringing oxygen to your

brain within those blood vessels. Okay?

over time your brain is not going to

function very well. So vascular dementia

is is by far the more common type of

dementia. So what can we do to maintain

healthy andogenic blood vessels

throughout the course of our lives for

anybody who wants aspires towards

longevity. All right, you should be

thinking about how to avert that path

where your blood circula your blood

vessels your circulation to your brain

gets impaired. the more uh vascular

blood vessel healthy, androgenesis

supporting diet and lifestyle and

medications that you take, the better

it's actually going to be. Now, here's

what what's interesting. What are some

of those things? Turns out that dark

chocolate, plant-based foods, the cacao

actually um produces helps your body

produce something called nitric oxide.

Nitric oxide actually widens your blood

vessels so you get better blood flow. So

dark chocolate is one of those foods

that actually can see seems to be able

to promote better vascular health

including in the brain. Now there are

other foods that can produce nitric

oxide as well. Beets beetroot actually

can produce nitric oxide. Spinach can do

produce nitric oxide as well. Those are

vascular healthy. Now here's the other

thing. When you produce nitric oxide

like with these foods, you know what

nitric oxide does? It recruits stem

cells, healthy stem cells, not cancer

stem cells, but healthy stem cells from

your bone marrow. Stem cells are stem

cells are primitive cells that can turn

into anything you need them to be. Turn

into a brain, heart, lung, liver, skin

hair. Um, our stem cells actually

regenerate us from the inside out. Now

you know that one of the things that

happens as we get older is our brain

atrophies and can start to degenerate.

It shrinks. Literally, a scan of an

older person, the brain, the brain

matter, the mass of the brain shrinks

inside the skull. It's like a like a

cotton shirt that shrank and you see

this actually in a scan. And so in order

to be able to try to keep the shrinking

from happening, you want to make sure

there's good blood flow going, which

actually helps to keep the brain growing

in a healthy and maintained in a healthy

sort of way. So um stem cells that are

recruited by nitric oxide actually can

help to also regenerate the blood

vessels and keep the blood vessels

helping healthy feeding the brain.

That's the connection between

Alzheimer's and and I mean dementia and

now for Alzheimer's

um I worked with a colleague Dr. Anthony

Vagnucci some years ago and we published

uh what was then an editorial in the

Lancet uh you know very prestigious uh

British medical publication and we were

connecting the dots between androgenesis

and Alzheimer's disease and here's how

it works most people assume that if

you've got Alzheimer's disease or

someone has Alzheimer's disease they

don't have very good blood flow they're

not going to have a lot of androgenesis

they got problems right of their of

their circulation of course and in fact

if If you look at um the blood flow

studies, scans, brain scans looking for

blood flow in Alzheimer's brain. Indeed

you

see poorer blood flow in people who have

actually Alzheimer's disease. But it

turns out the brains of people with

Alzheimer's disease have more blood

vessels, more blood vessels that aren't

working well. So their andro abnormal

androgenic blood vessels are not working

well. So you don't get good blood flow.

So the scans don't show them just don't

creating blood flow. Guess what those

blood vessels are doing? Those abnormal

blood vessels, they have been discovered

to secrete a neurotoxin that kills your

brain cells. So abnormal androenesis in

Alzheimer's disease grows blood vessels

that don't create blood flow, but they

secrete a toxin that kills brain cells

and they also secrete the precursor to

build up the plaque. So, uh, we we

published this as a as a hypothesis and

an editorial in the Lancet and now

there's a whole field looking at

androgenesis and and Alzheimer's

disease. It's crazy how this all stems

back to this idea that food is medicine.

Yeah. I mean, listen, before we had

medicine as medicine, before we had

pharmaceuticals in the 1930s, it's all

we had. That's all humans had our diet

and lifestyle for medicines, you know.

And so I think that that's really I

think what's happened is that in during

the industrial revolution that occurred

with pharmaceuticals

we put aside a tool in the toolbox that

we've always had. In fact, that's the

only thing we had before. And we focused

myopically just on what pharmaceuticals

can do. Now, I'm telling you, as

somebody who has developed

biioharmaceuticals and who is still very

much involved in that, new medicines can

be life-saving. Old medicines can be

life-saving. And so, you never want to

throw out the baby with a bath water.

What we have forgotten about is that

tool in the toolbox. It's been with

humanity forever, which is what we do

with our food. And and what I'm saying

is that what we can do now with the work

that I'm doing in food is medicine. We

can take the modern science that deep

probe that ex extraordinary level of

sophistication that we use for drug

development and we can use it apply it

to understand why our foods help us

which foods help us and what types of

outcomes we're actually looking for. And

so food is medicine. Bringing it back

into the fold is just replacing a tool

in the toolbox. But now we are actually

fortifying it with the

knowledge provided by science of what we

should choose and when and why.

Supplementation. Are you a fan of

supplementation? Because I take a couple

of supplements every morning. Things

like creatine and omega-3 and vitamin D.

Do you take supplements? Yep. Yes, I do.

And I I'll I'll first say um my my first

off approach is that uh we should get

most of the micronutrients that we need

to be healthy from our food. Use your

food uh to our advantage because uh

single foods will have hundreds of

different uh polyphenols and fiber and

all kinds of other beneficial things. So

and and vitamins and minerals. So, our

food is a much more efficient way to get

all of our micronutrients. However

supplements can be helpful in the

literal translation of the world

supplement, which means topping off. So

if you can't get everything that you

need from your food, then feel free to

top it off. And that's what I actually

do as well. But vitamin D, vitamin D, I

do it as well. Omega-3 fatty acids

another good uh top off uh to actually

use for a supplement. And by the way

there are some probiotics that um I feel

that it's prudent to actually get have

in my body. So I'm not giving a general

recommendation. I'm just telling you

what I do, right? That's what we're

talking about. Everything's personal.

It's personal to them. But I, you know

we talked earlier about the acromancia

right? So I do eat the foods that

support acromancia, the pomegranate

etc., and the chili peppers. But I'm

going to take the supplement because

I've seen the data that shows how

important it can be. Oh, an acromancia

improves your metabolism, lowers the

risk of metabolic syndrome. There might

even be some clues that acromancia um

might also lower the risk of dementia

development later on as well. So, hey

this is a pretty safe natural bacteria.

I'll take that probiotic. And another

probiotic I take is called Lactobacillus

rutery. Lutery. What does this do?

Lowers inflammation, builds immunity. It

actually text This is the bacteria that

text messages the brain. We talked about

the brain and it causes our brain to

release social hormones like oxytocin.

That's a social hormone that makes us

feel good. So, you know, uh why wouldn't

I actually take that? And oh, one last

thing. Lactobacus ruti has been I the

kind I take is chewable. Why wouldn't

you just take a capsule? Well, it turns

out that the same bacteria, lactobacus

ruterides, good for the gut, but if you

chew it up, this is the bacteria that

kills the bacteria that causes cavities

and gum disease.

I haven't had cavity in well over a

decade, you know. And so, again, this is

one of these types of practical things

that um just knowing the science and

knowing what I do and where where I

don't need enough. It's hard to get

enough vitamin D. um uh uh hard enough

to get omega-3s, I will actually top off

on those. I'm wondering, you know

you've I've got these two great books in

front of me, Eat to Beat Disease, which

is a New York Times bestseller, and Eat

to Beat Your Diet, which is really about

burning fat, healing your metabolism

and living longer. I know that you must

have some f people use the term

superfoods all the time, but there must

be some foods where you look at them and

just think they are little miracles in

their own right. So, I wanted to a

little challenge for you is if you had

to pick five of your favorite foods

based on the research that you've done

the science you've seen, what would

those top fives be? I would bring

coffee. Okay. Um because of all the

polyphenols in coffee, I'd bring tea. Um

I tend to drink coffee in the morning

and I have tea at night. Um and I can

I'm not caffeine sensitive, so I can

have the tea at night. If if if you

allow me, I'll actually lump those into

my beverages. Okay. Under one category.

Um I'll bring tree nuts. Tree nuts. Tree

nuts. Walnuts, almonds, macadamia

pistachios. Um I love nuts. U tree nuts.

And you know, not the pack prepackaged

kind, but I like to, you know, kind of

like toast them up myself and see flavor

them myself. Um, I would bring that

because of the dietary fiber, the

healthy pro, it's a good source of

protein, some healthy fats in it as

well, and can kill some cancer stem

cells while we're at it. Okay, so tree

nuts are actually good. I would bring

tomatoes because I love tomatoes. Okay

it's a great source for hydration, good

source of lycopine, which we talked

about, good for metabolism. I would take

berries. Berries, blueberries

strawberries, raspberries are are among

my favorites. Raspberries. You might be

surprised at this, but raspberries are

poundfor-pound or weight for weight one

of the most fiber richch foods out

there. They're light, they're hollow

packed with fiber. Um, and they've got

polyphenols and that are useful for

lowering inflammation as well. Berries

um are actually really good. And then

you know, I because I follow what I call

the Mediterranean uh style of eating, I

love to have those vegetables that are

actually used in both the Mediterranean

and Asia, Mediterranean style cooking

the bok choy, the kale, chory, escarol

you know, all of those types of um of of

leafy greens. So, those would be the

five I would actually take with me. And

what is the most important thing that we

didn't talk about that we should have

talked about? You know, I think that uh

the most one of the most important

things that that I want people to walk

away with is that there's more than 200

foods that I've studied and I've written

about in my books eat to be disease and

eat to beat your diet that you know I've

done all the heavy lifting to help you

figure out what foods are healthy that

you could consider adding to your diet.

But if you notice, I didn't actually

give you a formula or a set menu on what

to do for health. Because the most

important thing I I I want people to

walk away with is that my humanistic

approach to this is um you should love

your food to love your health. And if

you could actually do both at the same

time, you have to find out what are the

foods that resonate with you. What do

you prefer? What do you enjoy? So, if

you could look at 200 healthy foods

which is what what I have in my books

and just take a highlighter or a pencil

and circle them. Circle the ones you

already love. Start and stick with

those, you're already way ahead of the

game. And that builds confidence that

you're actually doing the right things.

And that's what I love about this book

in particular, Eat to Beat Disease, is

that it also comes with lots of great

recipes um inside the book. And um I

think that's super helpful because

there's a lot of information here, but

this makes it actionable. It's a it's a

really iconic book. It's such it's sold

so incredibly well because also it's so

unbelievably accessible to people who

aren't scientists and that are trying to

find some things that they can add to

their plate. Um and I think that's

essential to the approach that you take

as well. You're not someone that's

telling us we can't eat nice things and

enjoy our life. You're talking about the

things that we should be adding to our

plate to make our lives more um healthy

and increase our longevity, which I'm

very excited about actually because

you're writing a book about longevity, I

hear. And um I'm very much awaiting that

book, which when when do you think

that'll be due and ready? I don't uh I'm

working on a manuscript, so I'm not

ready to give a release date yet, but

you'll be the first to know. Okay, good.

We have a a closing tradition on this

podcast where the last guest leaves a

question for the next not knowing who

they're leaving it for. And the question

that's been left for you is, how would

you be able to tell that your time here

on Earth has been

successful, that you've achieved what

you set out to

achieve?

Wow. I think I would

have two sides, two answers for that

that represent different sides of the

coin. For me, I think if I'm able to

have made my immediate community, my

family better, that would uh be

meaningful, a meaningful life uh having

been lived. And if you look at the whole

uh rest of my career and existence and

how I spend my

time, I want the work that I've done to

resonate with others in a way that can

improve their lives. I'm, you know, what

I do. I kind of say I'm taking one for

the team. The team being the rest of the

world. And if I can contribute even a

small piece that makes other people's

lives better, then I feel like, you

know, I've done it. I've done my job.

Well, that's what you're most certainly

doing, my friend, because you when I was

looking through what you've accomplished

in your life, um whether it's the all of

the FDA approved treatments for over 70

diseases, including cancers, diabetes

chronic wounds, and blindness that

you've helped to develop, um more than I

could possibly count, or whether it's

the work that you're doing through your

foundation, which I think people should

uh check out, which is a nonprofit

organization, which helps develop

treatments for chronic diseases that are

based on

angioenesis. You've most certainly done

that and you continue to do that. But

even maybe more importantly of all

because there's so many billions of

people out there that are starved of the

information that you have and that you

find in your research laboratory is

you've come out into the world into the

public forum and you're helping to

articulate and demystify these

incredibly confusing things that people

like me who didn't go and get a PhD or

didn't go to Harvard don't understand.

And you're masterful at it. You really

are masterful. your ability to break

down. You know, I sit here week in week

out speaking to very very smart people

and not all of them have the very

important skill of being able to turn

something very complicated into

something understandable. And that is a

skill you have. It's a real real gift

and especially your use of like

metaphors and analogies which really

cement these ideas in our brain in a way

that we can all understand. That for me

is a really really important gift. So

long may you continue to continue your

work of public communication as well

because for people like me it it can

cause a penny drop moment that then

leads us to change our lives for the

better. So thank you. Thank well well

thank you for inviting me. But you know

I would say that you know we also live

in a time again this is about going into

the future. I'm always about moving into

the future. Well, we have the platforms.

We have, you know, I I went on to I

developed a YouTube channel because I

realized it was a place for me to take

to drink from the fire hydrant, distill

it, and figure out how I can deliver it

in swift fashion, which would have been

impossible 10 years ago. So, for

example, you know, we talked about how

you know, uh, when my uncles had had

cancer and passed away and I felt

helpless, then my mother had it some

years later and we had progress. we had

the ability to be able to do something

different. Similarly for me, I look at

my books, I look at my social channels

my YouTube um uh platform as ways of

being able to actually solve a problem

that I felt like needed to be solved

but I wasn't really sure how to do it

until now. Dr. William Lee, I highly

recommend everybody goes and checks out

your YouTube channel because it is

fantastic and that's a great place to

get more of this information, but also

I'm going to link the YouTube channel

and all of these books below for anybody

that wants to continue their journey of

learning. Thank you. Thank you. I really

appreciate you being so generous with

your time and

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