Codex is The NEW Best AI Coding Tool (Here's Why)

2026 has been the year of AI agents. All

of these agent companies have been releasing update after update, and it's getting very hard to follow. And today,

we're going to cover it all. In the past 4 months, OpenClaw has become the fastest growing open-source software in history, causing a Mac Mini shortage.

Anthropic has launched over 50 new features, trying to build out their new claw desktop app. OpenAI has launched Codeex which is quickly becoming my favorite platform for both vibe coding

and knowledge work and now SpaceX is kind of acquiring Cursor to compete with all of them. Today I'm joined by my friend and creator/software

engineer Ross Mike to talk about all of these advancements and what it all means. Ross Mike is one of the best

means. Ross Mike is one of the best educators on YouTube and has an inside perspective on what's going on in AI and software engineering in general. In this

video, we first talk about what a super app is and why all the big labs are building the same thing. We talk about how Anthropic is starting to lose the

lead on OpenAI. We talk about Claude Code, Codeex, and OpenClaw. We talk

about computer use and browser use. And

we also talk about agentic payments. And

we end by talking about AI image models and the future of knowledge work. If you

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helps me out a ton. Let's not waste any more time. Let's dive into the

more time. Let's dive into the conversation.

So, today we're going to be doing uh a little bit of a review, right? It is we are 4 months into 2026. It feels like 10 years has gone by.

Yep.

You know, Q1, January, February, March, now we're in April.

Now we're in April. I feel like Q1 belonged to Anthropic. If you think about it, literally it felt like every day from when they I think it was like January 10th when they launched co-work

up until like the end of March, they were launching a new feature every single day.

And it's just been so much to keep up with. During that whole period, there

with. During that whole period, there was the whole open claw craze. Everyone

on my Instagram feed, they were buying Mac min, you know, I can't get one. I still can't get one.

Yeah. And honestly, there was people saying that like Mac Minis are going to sell out. And I was like, there's no way

sell out. And I was like, there's no way they're going to sell out. They were

sold Like it's really hard to get them.

It's hard to get them. You know, I've heard there's like two month wait list for them in Canada. Toronto, it's 3 months.

in Canada. Toronto, it's 3 months.

So like I don't even want to buy one.

Like what's the point if I have to wait month? Yeah. Might as wait for the next

month? Yeah. Might as wait for the next version. Yeah. And so yeah, we had that

version. Yeah. And so yeah, we had that whole open claw craze and then obviously you have like you know some other companies coming in like Perplexity Computer. Um and then now we have the

Computer. Um and then now we have the tool that I've been having the most fun with which is Codeex released. And I

think the common theme is AI agents are starting to get really good at using a computer, you know, whether that is, you know, through computer use on codecs or they're just really good at manipulating files and controlling a computer. And

so, yeah, I guess what are your thoughts on 2026 so far? What has been like the highlight? Talk to me.

highlight? Talk to me.

Yeah, so I think like we were just saying this off pod like Opus 45 was the inflection for me. I think that model and it didn't happen right away as soon as it dropped. Like I feel like it took

like a week or two when we all collectively realized like whoa like this is good.

See this is this is my hot take. So if

you uh if you look up at the board over here or I guess we can look here.

Yeah.

I think the inflection point was when Andre Karpathy had that tweet. I've

never felt this much behind as a programmer. You know all the developers

programmer. You know all the developers who were kind of skeptical about AI tried it. I think that was like kind of

tried it. I think that was like kind of like the final moment where all of the skeptics are like fine we'll use it.

When did Opus 45 come out? I'm pretty

sure like early like December like November. November or December I think.

November. November or December I think.

Yeah.

So like there was a time where like again I you know Opus 45 dropped and I think because we're both content creators like I messed with it but like I didn't really get it. This tweet did help a lot but I I don't know like at

some point I think I was using it with cursor and I told it do a bunch of things. I'm like yo this model gets it

things. I'm like yo this model gets it and it's fast and it feels great. And

ever since then to your point anthropic like Q1 is theirs. They just

back to back to back to back like nonstop like cowork dropped and you know I knew they were winning when people on Instagram were like oh everyone's using

chat GBT but the secret tool that's going to 10x your business is Claude.

Like when I started to see those videos and then like friends of mine who are teachers and stuff started to talk about oh I used claw co-work it felt like yeah they had just crushed open AI but

I think the last month open has has caught up. We we'll get to that in just a second. I think it's useful to like make this tangible and and kind of show people because in my opinion they

went too broad around late February early March there was that announcement where I I forget her name. She like runs OpenAI's operations. Yes. Um I know

OpenAI's operations. Yes. Um I know you know who I'm talking about. We'll

show it on the screen. Um she came out and said like we're refocusing the company and we're putting all of our efforts into codeex the or a super app.

That was like the news headline and they're basically going to combine Atlas and um all their other efforts which is GBT image and they cut Sora which I thought was a great decision to just

and so so they were the unfocused company and Claude you had this perception that Anthropic was super focused because they were all about coding models image no models no video models nothing right right and so they had this

terminal they had like the terminal interface that people loved right and I would use it in cursor and then they just started launching a bunch of stuff so Like while claude or anthropic was

kind of unfocusing OpenAI was focus and so like now like look at this so like there's claude co-work which is like code mini claude code with a bunch of restrictions so it's like a similar

technology but you have to learn them separately and then with that you can use what's called dispatch but if it's clawed code you can use the remote so you and you it's not a it's

not a thing you can use here you have to type in slash remote And then you have to set it up and it doesn't work in the desktop. You have to do it in the

perspective. And then so like you have

perspective. And then so like you have like routines but in co-work you also have scheduled like there's so many.

It's just like it's the same thing just push them all together. And so I told you that you know and people are saying like oh like you're getting paid by open eye. I'm not like open AI. I

eye. I'm not like open AI. I

I wish my boys getting paid by open. No.

So, like I was I told you I was like I want a tool like clawed code that can build artifacts.

Yeah.

And I want to be able to switch what I'm doing here. I want to be able to create

doing here. I want to be able to create a new task on one of them. I want to be able to create a doc. I want to be able to create a presentation. I want to be able to create Excal. I know you you love Excal.

Codex is so good at Excal.

I saw I saw your um and so I just want to be able to do everything in one platform. And then lo and behold, like

platform. And then lo and behold, like basically OpenAI releases that exact thing, right? And then so now there's

thing, right? And then so now there's not automations and schedules or dispatch and remote control. They're

just going to release a codeex app pretty soon. So like you agree that

pretty soon. So like you agree that they're kind of Yeah, I 100% agree. I think like there like I've noticed especially with the AI labs, there's the announcements you make for the people and then there's the announcements you make for the

headlines which end up allowing you to raise a lot of money. I think Claude like Enthropic showing the iteration speed of how much they were shipping brought them a lot of attention. I think

PR-wise it was a net positive, right?

And arguably maybe that helped them raise a lot a bunch more money, right?

Like if you're not in our space, which is a very small bubble, genuinely outside looking in, it looks like Enthropic is winning. Like

that's probably true. by a magnitude of a thousand, not even like a small margin, by a magnitude of a thousand.

Every single person that I would say is quasi technical that maybe like used to jailbreak iPhones or is like hip with these type of things but is not like in our space, I am telling you they think

Anthropic is winning. So in terms of like the outside bubble PR uh stint, Anthropic is winning and the shipping speed helps a lot. Now to your point, they generally are using cloud code.

believe it cuz why the heck do you have routines but then in co-work you have schedule? They're the same thing, right?

schedule? They're the same thing, right?

Right. Like it just feels like different teams are spinning up cloud code instances, letting it rip and they're shipping it into production.

But they but their argument is that like oh so but you have marketers and stuff and you have business people and your company and you don't, you know, they don't know what a terminal is. You don't

want to give them full access.

You don't have to though. Like literally

like everything I see on cloud code and co-work can be one app. There's no

reason why there should be, you know, separate things. Maybe you have like a

separate things. Maybe you have like a toggle advanced and like you know something like that.

That's exactly what OpenAI has. So if

you go to settings here and you go settings they what they do is they have it for coding and this is the meme that Sam Alton posted when it was just code maxing and like Excel mogging or

something. Um but like you just switch

something. Um but like you just switch it and all it is is a different view on the same underlying like abilities which I think is great like makes sense for the people who do everyday work. You

don't need to see what a git work tree is. Like what even is that?

is. Like what even is that?

And so like it feels like and codeex now like open AI I feel like they're trying to win people in our bubble, right?

They're increasing limits like every time. And let's be honest, Enthropic is

time. And let's be honest, Enthropic is being a little mean, right? Like they're

banning people. They're like, "Oh, you can't use our things." And I understand it's costing them a lot of money. I

don't think they're handling it the best way. Open AI seems to be doing the exact

way. Open AI seems to be doing the exact opposite. Free usage, free this. You

opposite. Free usage, free this. You

don't like this? We'll fix this. Right?

So it it it feels like open AI is listening to the people in the bubble which i.e is making the product better

which i.e is making the product better and then enthropic doesn't care about people in the bubble and only cares about perception outside the bubble but but they won the perception outside the bubble from the bubble% and that's

the thing cuz they started off as the focus like think about it if you remember the keynote dev day keynote of open AI they had like four other things that they had launched aside from a new

model the agents the Zapier killer the the dragon drop the Who uses that now?

No, no, no. Literally zero users. No,

actually zero users.

I believe it. I believe it. So, like

they were very wide and like there was even this clip of Sam. He was like, you know, like don't try to come against us. We will steamroll you. And then

us. We will steamroll you. And then

Enthropic came and steamrolled OpenAI.

But it's funny now they're doing the opposite. So Enthropic was doing what

opposite. So Enthropic was doing what OpenAI was doing and Open AI is doing what Enthropic is doing. But there's a difference. Both are close to IPO.

difference. Both are close to IPO.

Sure.

So like does it even matter now? like

from a like financial success, we've made it perspective.

You can never see behind the curtain and see what their incentives are. You can

never see how how low they actually are running in money, like how badly they need to raise the next round. So, it's

hard to see. I just look at it from a pure utility standpoint. And like for me, one of the companies is like shipping really open AI is cooking.

It definitely feels like u Open AI is cleaning up the product. They're

cleaning up house. They're centralizing

focus. And I think the one understanding everyone's come to which makes sense is the a great coding model is a great general purpose model cuz I think there was this theory of like oh we're going to have models in specific niches and of

course I think for like medicine and biology like you have to have a separately trained model etc etc but like for general knowledge work right create this excel sheet scrape this data do this do this math it just so happens

that a great coding model is a great generalpurpose knowledge model so Anthropic one in a sense early on because they were building create coding models and then they realize, oh, this thing can create spreadsheets and can

analyze data and it can do a lot of stuff right?

But just like code files, they're all just files on a computer literally, right? It's like it's that's

literally, right? It's like it's that's literally is it's just files in a file system. So like now everyone's building

system. So like now everyone's building trying to build the best coding model and now they're wrapping it around gueies um for anyone who doesn't know what guey graphical user interface so that you can do different things with

the models. And it just so happens where

the models. And it just so happens where I feel like this matters a lot more now because the models are all great, but how you use the model, the tools you use with the model matter. And Codex is is 100% winning this arena.

Yeah. And so, okay, so this is a good kind of segue into like what I've been talking about, which is super app. And I

got that from the Open AI headlines.

They're releasing a super app. And I

think it's I think of a super app as a coding model wrapped in a nice guey that can do coding work and knowledge work cuz like what else is there in in a business, right? You just have coding

business, right? You just have coding work, knowledge work, and then the stuff you need to do in real life.

Yeah.

Um and that's what we're seeing. And one

of the advantages I think OpenAI had is they had a big team working on Atlas.

Yeah.

And in that they were working on browser use. And so like this here is a browser.

use. And so like this here is a browser.

By the way, if you try to use the browser in cloud code, doesn't work. You

can't type into it. Like here, you can actually go to like if I wanted to go to like twitter.com, like you can actually go to it. Now, it doesn't keep me signed in, but like I've read between the lines and they it's probably it's coming.

But you know who was ahead of all this though? Cursor had this early on.

though? Cursor had this early on.

Yes. Yes.

Cursor. Cursor. See, this is this is a top cursor was an innovator.

Okay. Let's let's talk about cursor. So,

the reason why people wouldn't want to use cursor over these companies, right?

like Claude or OpenAI is because these companies are heavily subsidized with the best models in the world. Cursor I'm

a huge cursor fan like before like when cla code was on its come up and code I didn't codec didn't exist to my knowledge.

No they didn't um you know and cursor was the first tool that I was using you know I mean I started off a year and a half ago on cursor right? No. Well, I blew up first

cursor right? No. Well, I blew up first because I was copying and pasting code from claw desktop app into replet.

That's what got me into vibe coding. I

was one of the first people to do that.

But like immediately after that, I found cursor and cursor was the first cursor composer was still my favorite feature. Not composer, their models that

feature. Not composer, their models that they're doing now. The cursor composer where you would type the app you want and it would make the edits in inline edits. Like it would pop up on the screen and it was like well now that's trivial, right?

Everyone's doing that now. But like at the time it was the first innovative.

Yeah. Cuz like all they had at the beginning which was still good was like they had the tab feature which doesn't really benefit me cuz what am I going to autocomplete? I don't even know what to

autocomplete? I don't even know what to type.

Um and then then they had the chat which would allow you to chat with the agent about the code but it didn't actually make the changes. Right.

Yeah. Cuz you have to go like command was it command Z or command K? There was

too many there was one. Yeah. There was

three commands you had to learn how to use. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

use. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sure. And but that tool it honestly felt like it went cursor claw codec. like

it's kind of in that third iteration, but cursor dominated that first round. I

mean, that's why they just got semiacquired by XAI SpaceX for $60 billion. So, yeah, let's talk about

billion. So, yeah, let's talk about Cursor. So, what do you what do you

Cursor. So, what do you what do you think of the state of Cursor right now?

Yeah. So, to your point, Cursor, like the acquisition is a W. It is a big win because let's let's talk about let's let's unpack this. Can you talk a little bit

unpack this. Can you talk a little bit about the the So, they basically got a deal with XAI that says um like we're we're going to give you 10 billion now and at some point we can buy you for 60 billion.

We're going to partner up. XAI has I think they have the like most compute out of all the labs inhouse, right?

OpenAI has to partner, Enthropic has to partner, XAI has the H100s and H200s ready in-house. So, they're going to

ready in-house. So, they're going to train the model. Cursor is going to be the guey that they're going to use.

Cursor's biggest uh weakness is that they are not a model provider and they don't have the benefit of subsidizing the price. For example, with a $200

the price. For example, with a $200 Claude Max subscription, you're actually getting $5,000 worth of compute.

Unhealthy for now.

Yeah, they could r and they're slowly rug pulling as well, right? You can't

use it with open.

I don't know. Rug pull. Let's not rug pulling. They they're they're tearing

pulling. They they're they're tearing the cost down 100%. But it is I will say it it is like

100%. But it is I will say it it is like especially if you're an openclaw user it was definitely a shock like I think there's two sides to the problem. First

and foremost, I think we got spoiled with a large amount of compute for a very, you know, decent price. But I

guess it was hard for them to grow. Like

who's paying $5,000 a month, right? Like

that's that's insane. Like that's more than almost most people's rents, right?

So it makes sense. But going back to Curser, the issue with Curser is Curser is probably the most expensive subscription, right? The $200 Ultra plan

subscription, right? The $200 Ultra plan and the $200, whether it be Codex or CL, it doesn't compare. doesn't compare

unless you use their composer model which the models don't compare.

Yeah. Like it's a decent feat like they basically built on top of Kimmy 2.5 Kim K 2.5 which was smart but they are not going to win in the model arena and I think they know that and that's where

the SpaceX partnership/acquaition.

The way that I frame it is it's like they it is a acquisition with a 10 10 billion dollar optout clause basically. basically and to me like it

basically. basically and to me like it makes sense, right? Like Grock is should just focus like XA should just focus on the model. I don't think they have time

the model. I don't think they have time between model and then they have X and then they have this and then they have that. Like it's good that they're

that. Like it's good that they're focusing on the model. Cursor like for example like all the gooies like Codex is guey. I'll be honest, Cursor did it

is guey. I'll be honest, Cursor did it first. If you remember the agents tab

first. If you remember the agents tab like like the OG agents tab that everyone sort of hated in the beginning.

That's basically what this was. And I I even feel like they were too ahead of their time, right? So like these guys have proved in terms of product like they've they've made the right decisions. They've sort of guessed where

decisions. They've sort of guessed where the industry wanted to go and they've led that path. They just can't win in the model front. So you know, cool.

This is their I mean their inapp browser is amazing. It's fantastic. And it

is amazing. It's fantastic. And it

persists and yeah it persists and then also um an my co-founder he uses their uh that has like some sandbox feature where they like test your app and it'll like send

you a video. That's insane.

Yeah. And they're betting big on that as well.

Yeah. Yeah. And so and so you you think like they might they're probably closer to creating this super app than um than Claude at this point.

It would be difficult for them because right at the end of the day what powers the super apps is a coding model, right?

All right. So if we already have the coding model, it's just a matter of who's going to create a good enough guey. And unfortunately, Anthropic is

guey. And unfortunately, Anthropic is not great at product.

You think? Yeah. Yeah. You think so?

Like right now at least like I don't again we don't know the internals. We

don't know whether people are spread too thin or they're focused or they're this like but from my I mean from your original usage and my personal usage like you can start a thread with claude and if you refresh the app breaks sometimes.

Sure.

Right. where with Codeex even though like yes it's not like I've had some bugs here and there it is the smoother app and with cursor like I've never had cursor like there was a period where cursor had issues and they fixed a lot

of it I've never had cursor go yeah cursor is a great software and I've used a lot I've used their new interface and I think we're we're seeing like an identical use like we're

all of these companies are converging on I think conductor did it first I don't know if you ever used conductor they were the first person first company to put uh this side panel where you basically have like your directory and

then your threads. You can do multiple threads at the same time. It's very easy to switch. That's what I love about

to switch. That's what I love about Codex is I'm literally just using whisperflow typing in my prompt and I'm like, "Oh, I have another idea." Like, "Let's go explore it." New new chat whisper flow.

explore it." New new chat whisper flow.

I just speak into it. It's like a little Jarvis. And then whatever you want to

Jarvis. And then whatever you want to show up on the right will just show up when you need it. And that's why also on top of all the features we talked about,

design mode or claw design. Yeah. So I I I messed with claw design. I will say it feels like the most refreshing one cuz it was different um out of like all the things we've seen the last couple weeks.

And also with design, what's interesting is I don't think it was made for designers. I think it was made for

designers. I think it was made for people who have taste but don't know how to design, but you can in a way communicate it, right? So you can upload images, you can like share like um Figma

info like if you go to like the Figma I think it's a marketplace so you could see people's designs and like it will like tell you okay like what kind of design are you looking for? Uh and you could be like give me some suggestions.

I was do using it yesterday. It was like oh aquatic greenery with a moss this like it's very like particular and the output was pretty great. But this goes back to my earlier thesis a great coding

model is a great general model. You just

need to wrap the tool.

I mean, a great design tool is literally a coding tool. I mean, code. Yeah. It's

And so, the way that I see it is like all of these design mode should be like your chat should enter design mode. The

user should not go to cloud design. And

by the way, it's only on the web.

It's not an app.

How How do you use co-work? Oh, you can only use co-work on the on the desktop app, but you can use cloud code on the web, but you can only do it with the git.

By the way, do you know how you export your cloud.ai AI/design like stuff.

No, I you copy you copy something and then you have to drag and drop it into cloud code. So it's like they're not even

code. So it's like they're not even connected.

Why would it not be like why wouldn't you just open up a new project, create this and say, I want you to design this, right? And then the the the artifact

right? And then the the the artifact that pops up on the right is design mode. Like like the the browser enters

mode. Like like the the browser enters design mode and and maybe it's like a fixed layout where like you have the phone frames, it's a mobile app or like you know what I'm I I hope they're I hope for for their sake that they're

rebuilding the entire app and all this stuff is going to happen cuz it's it is such a fumble, right? Like the fact that I have to go on claude design on the browser and then I have to copy that on claw code, right? But then if I wanted

to use co-work, I have to open up the Yeah. What if you wanted to turn

Yeah. What if you wanted to turn whatever you coded into a investor deck?

Yeah. Like I wanted to create No, you have to export it, put it into co-work because the cloud co it's not even a shared session, right? Like it's like it's different

right? Like it's like it's different context. I have to explain again what

context. I have to explain again what exactly it is.

Sure. And and like it's hard to to get the uh co-work session to look at other file like you can't it can't interact with any other files. So it's

it's a weird situation. One thing I wanted to talk about before we get into like um like I want to talk about like what your favorite tools are right now and like some more tactical things. I do

want to talk about OpenClaw um because this OpenClaw was something I was skeptical about at first. I thought they had a very the early movers to openclaw were

people that talked about other things that aren't um I thought there was just a lot of like scams going on in in OpenClaw. So I was skeptical at first

OpenClaw. So I was skeptical at first and then I don't look at openclaw as just like how good is openclaw. I look

at it as an idea which is basically an AI agent that runs on a computer full control over a computer that has channels.

It has what I u personality file. So, it

basically has like these files that it keeps updated as you use it more. So, in

theory, if it worked right, the more you use it, the more it knows about you, uh, the more it can do for you. And then

they made it so you could create skills with natural language. Yeah. So, like

there's a lot of things in there that has never been done before. And as a team, we've spent a lot of time thinking about this. Like,

about this. Like, it's a whole new paradigm. And so, I'm curious like, are you using openclaw or Hermes or very much I'm very much a OpenC like I have like a forked version and I have So, how do you use it? Let's talk about

that for a second.

Before I I get into how I use it. I want

to agree with you on one point where it's like it in theory it wasn't anything like new, but like different new things got put together and it just

like you kind of felt this spark. To me,

the biggest thing was the heartbeat, right? The fact that every 15 minutes

right? The fact that every 15 minutes the agent gets pinged, it has this prompt where it looks at all your stuff and then it can message you. Because

when you think of humans, like you and I have a heartbeat as well, right? It's

every second or microcond whatever it is and it's like our heart's pumping and like you and I get to think and do things right that 15minute heartbeat like I don't want to say almost but kind of simulates that right where like based

on all the stuff you said it has the user information all these markdowns and all this context about you and if again the coding model underneath gets better if the general if the model underneath

gets better then and it has memory and has context it should be a net positive whether it's your business your personal life so how do I use open claw Um, you know, I'm sure as a creator, your channel being bigger than mine, you

probably get hit up every single day.

Sponsor this, sponsor that. I don't look at any of that, right? So, I have uh an email, a sponsor email that my agent has access to. Every time an email hits, it

access to. Every time an email hits, it researches three things. First of all, are these guys a scam? Meaning, is the email a scam? If I get an@gmail.com, I'm sorry, maybe you're legit, but I'm

not even going to consider it. And then,

if it gets a company email, we research the company. I actually give it an exact

the company. I actually give it an exact prompt. research the company name on

prompt. research the company name on Google add re uh Reddit scam if anything pops up I don't even consider it and then let's say it's legitimate then I it'll do some preemptive research like

how much money have they raised how many followers do they have and all this every single morning I get a report of sure uh top of the morning so I'm looking at this report I'm not even looking do you have it respond to the emails directly

once once like and that's like so that's workflow number one workflow number two um notion is like my database Sure.

Once I've approved like which ones we want to talk to, the first email that gets sent is just pricing, right? This

price, that price, whatever. And then

again, the agent checks whether they've responded to it or they're willing to negotiate. At this point is when I take

negotiate. At this point is when I take over. So when I take over, not only have

over. So when I take over, not only have they been vetted, but they're most likely going to be a sponsor of the channel, right? And this is like

channel, right? And this is like maybe per day like an hour and a half, two hours work, but imagine it aggregated, right? like aggregated over

aggregated, right? like aggregated over a week, over a month, over a year, like how much time I'm saving, how much time I can spend with my family. Like these

things like I'm more excited nowadays on this type of stuff than the coding improvements cuz this the models will get better, more intelligent, we'll write more code, but like this knowledge work category where you and I spend time

on tasks that can be done by the model greatly, perfectly um that's the like sort of spark that openclaw ignited in me and excited me with.

Sure. Okay. So that first of all that's a great use case and I use it in a similar way. Um I will say when I was a

similar way. Um I will say when I was a creator um like and most of my time was spent just like doing content creation hiring a manager was the best thing I ever did. I was always like I don't want

ever did. I was always like I don't want to give up you know like 10 to 20% of the brand deals but like when you get someone to negotiate the deals you end up get making more um because the especially if you get a good manager

um uh but it is pretty interesting because AI will never turn off. it can research enough and it it can negotiate in however you want it to negotiate uh

prices and etc. So, I think that's such a good use case for it. Uh, for

individual creators who don't want to deal with it, because you're right, it can it can take up all your time as a creator.

Like, yeah, if you're like a midsize creator, like on whatever channel, you're getting hit up a lot. And I think a lot of companies are starting to realize like organic, social, like like just working with content creators is

probably a great spend ad spend for them. So, it's like a lot of creators

them. So, it's like a lot of creators get hit up a lot and it's just it's too much to cycle through. And and me, I got a full-time job. I run a product studio.

Like, there's too much going on. I don't

have time to read. You know, I got a Miniax email the other day and it was a scam email. It was c-miniaax.

scam email. It was c-miniaax.

Whatever.

Yeah. And if you're just manually going through, you're going to click on that.

You're going to respond. Yeah.

And the link I clicked on the link and their form to fill out asked me to authenticate with X, right? So,

right? So, so you were about to get fished.

Yeah. I was basically, right? And this

is like the one time I decided to go through my emails. I didn't want to wait till like the next day for like OpenClaw to capture it for me. But like the literally the next day Opal calls like yeah scam email right. So, like there's

just these minuscule things that might not seem like, oh, it's only 30 minutes a day, an hour a day, but on aggregate when you add all those things up and like the speed at which it does it like to your point, it doesn't get tired, it doesn't have a bad day, it doesn't get

moody. That was like the spark when I'm

moody. That was like the spark when I'm like, "Okay, like these the open claws, the Hermes, like these agents are and and what's interesting about Sorry

to cut you off there at the end, but um it's interesting watching Claude trying to add the same features that Open schedule dispatch and like they had like

similar animations, the remote control, Telegram that you can do with SL remote controlgram or however you do it." Um,

it's been interesting watching them uh do that and now they're like they're going to have to start copying codecs because it's kind of what people want and it's seeing them kind of get caught up

in that and then also OpenAI semiacquired OpenClaw. It's been like a

semiacquired OpenClaw. It's been like a super interesting.

Yeah. So the like basically like um it's so they hired Peter.

Sure. And Open Claw is run by a foundation, but I'm again I don't have insider info, but I'm like I would bet on OpenClaw versus a Hermes. Like a lot of people like OpenClaw Hermes for context. I haven't used Hermes, right?

context. I haven't used Hermes, right?

So I I neither of them could win like at the end of the day.

So the the like it's interesting open AAI doing that is sort of confirmation that everyone's going to go build that now, right? Because open open is going

now, right? Because open open is going to build it and users are excited. Of

course, Enthropic is going to build it, right? So uh I'm glad openclaw exists. I

right? So uh I'm glad openclaw exists. I

do use open claw. Will a super app will codec super app destroy all of it?

Maybe. We'll see. Uh but just this idea of like these mundane tasks in your life being taken care of by AI. I'm so

bullish on.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I put it in two categories. I think there's the

two categories. I think there's the super app which is a it's a very react it's more of a reactive tool. like it's

not a proactive tool like OpenClaw as you there there's something about this interface and I I I'll use the the codeex one but um like there's something very reactive

about it. I know they have automations

about it. I know they have automations built in and you can proactively create automations, but that's not what the first thing you're going for, right? So, so I think I think for me

right? So, so I think I think for me there's two types of tools that I use. I

either talk to a claw or a super app, right? I never talk to like chatbt or

right? I never talk to like chatbt or claude anymore. Like I'm going to open

claude anymore. Like I'm going to open up iMessage and I'm going to message my open claw. Yeah.

open claw. Yeah.

Because it has the context of me. It has

heartbeat. So, it's checking in with me when there's an important email. It just

sends it over like, "Yo, Riley, like you have to do this, bro. Like, oh, rent's due tomorrow. Like, you got to get this

due tomorrow. Like, you got to get this done." Um, and so like I I'm either

done." Um, and so like I I'm either using a claw or an agent running on a computer or sandbox uh and then these uh tools on the computer, right? This is

computer, right? This is That's interesting. So that's fair cuz

That's interesting. So that's fair cuz like I don't go to codeex for proactive work. I go for react like meaning I'm

work. I go for react like meaning I'm going to be working with it. But my claw I just want to tell it once and I just want it taken care of.

Yeah. And you know there's certain things. Yeah. But like the cool thing

things. Yeah. But like the cool thing about a really good employee that if you were to hire a human employee is they will surprise you with valuable stuff.

Agency, right? That's

right. They have agency. But like you'll wake up one day and they'll be like, "Hey Riley, like I know you're doing this. Like I made this report for you.

this. Like I made this report for you.

Like I if if this is useful, like let me know. I'll keep doing it." And you're

know. I'll keep doing it." And you're like, "Oh, that's really useful." It's

like OpenCaw actually has that potential.

Now you do have to kind of be proactive with OpenClaw at this stage, right? Like

it's um and what I always tell people when they're setting up open claws to like keep it narrow. Like the more goals you give it, the more broad you are.

People put like 15 30 skills like 20 different connectors and all that stuff and it's like oh none of it works. Yeah.

Because like even imagine if if I got hired here and I joined the Vive Code team and like off rip you give me 40 things to do. I'm quitting the next day.

Like and in reverse, right? If you came in and told me you had 40 skills and you I'm like, "Hey, so what are you good at?" I would much rather you say, "I'm

at?" I would much rather you say, "I'm great at coding." And then versus you just listing, "Oh, I can do the dishes.

I can do list off all these things."

Then it's just like it's overwhelming.

What do you get it to do? And so it's like I wonder if there's a world where there's many agents, they each have their own like niche. Like I don't know if it's is it in a group chat like I'm trying to figure out Yeah. what the

interface for agents are in the future.

What do you think?

Yeah, like so from my like experimentation I will say like the main agent with the ability to deploy sub

agents for specific tasks seems to be the best one especially with open cloud because if you give the main agent a super big task um the way it works is especially the gateway is like it's a

queue system. So if you tell it to do

queue system. So if you tell it to do one big thing it's basically stuck doing that one big thing. you can't tell you can't continue to communicate with it.

But but this idea of like you have one orchestrator agent and you're not even communicating with the sub agents. You

tell the main agent what's going on. He

tells he or she or whatever you want to call it tells the sub agents what to do and they report back to it. That seems

to be like the great sweet spot. The

only issue I have with betting on this architecture is we don't know where the models are growing, right? We don't know if like there's a new training method, if there's a new style, like there's kind of the models, the model labs have

the benefit of building great tooling because they see where the models are growing. It's funny though, Codex is the

growing. It's funny though, Codex is the only one doing that right now. OpenAI is

the only one doing that right now. But

as of yet, like the way I'm using OpenC other tools is like I'll have a main agent that sort of orchestrates everything that deploys sub agents. I

don't communicate with the sub agents. I

communicate with the main agent because I want one agent to at least have context for everything. have

sub agent is an agent that is delegated by an orchestrator and I I've seen like people like have like multiple main agents and like multiple teams again I maybe I haven't tried it enough I I

don't like I haven't found great success with it but it feels like having this one buddy this friend this agent that I could communicate with and that person that agent I can't believe I called it a person but that agent is responsible for

like delegating and making sure everything is done that seems to have had the great um I've had great experience with that memory is a big issue. Um I don't know if you're

issue. Um I don't know if you're familiar with super memory. I tried

building my own memory um thing. It kind

of worked. It kind of didn't. I don't

really care to maintain it. There's

certain things um I'm just willing to pay for. Super memory has been really

pay for. Super memory has been really good to me. Um

Super Memory is a tool that you can add to your OpenC setup.

Yeah. So they have a simple plugin. It's

basically like it's like a database, a memory service, right? Like they like have graphs and like all this stuff. The

cool thing I like about Super Memory, and I don't know if this is a product vertical that that's going to win. Uh

the founder is pretty cool. What I like about Supermemory is like my memory exists in that cloud, but then I can connect it to another app. So like I had my Open Cloud running on Hostinger uh cuz they were running the crazy deal,

but then I hated running it on Hostinger. So it broke like it was slow.

Hostinger. So it broke like it was slow.

Like I built like my own little custom wrapper to deploy it and it took me like a minute and a half whereas theirs would like take forever and I'm sure like there's a lot of constraints and all the stuff they have to deal with. Not

crap. Yeah. So so this is interesting.

So when you create an open claw, right?

And it's just like a file system, right?

You you have just like code files. You

have you have literally code files and then one of the files is like uh you have like your agents.md file and your your user MD.

Yeah. and it in by default it stores the memory in those somewhere in those files.

Um but what you're saying is you have this service that uh super memory and there's others I I remember there's me zero and there's a couple others. Yeah.

others. Yeah.

So this is kind of stored in this location where you could in theory have other agents using the same memory and exactly right like there's a part of me that's like I want like like you can imagine a world where agents are the

product and like every company has a specific agent or maybe one agent rules it all. I don't know. Um, but like I own

it all. I don't know. Um, but like I own my memory like or I can take my memory anywhere with me. The issue with the open claw native memory system, it's basically just markdown files. You have

a memory.mmd and then there's a folder where every single day all the things that you said with the agent are stored and then it'll contextualize that.

So when I nuked my hostinger instance, the memory died with it, right? So but

if I have super memory like the plug-in setup, I took my memory with it. I have

it running in my local machine. I can

deploy it on a separate service, right?

So, that was another thing as well where like memory is very important. I'm

seeing people use obsidian and stuff. I

have you obsidian?

I I I've made a video uh using Obsidian.

I was super big on it like before like Claude I Claude was still in I was using Claude in a terminal with Obsidian because Obsidian is just Markown Files.

Markdown Files. Yeah, Markdown just won.

Yeah, Markdown Files just won. And uh

yeah, the the Kapano guy, the founder of Obsidian on Twitter, he's he's been saying it for a long time. Yeah,

he's like own your files.

He bet he bet he bet his company on that and now he's winning. But yeah, so like OpenClaw like to just summarize is very interesting.

I don't think it's the only one to exist. I definitely think Open AI for

exist. I definitely think Open AI for the will of good pre uh PR will probably continue to support it, which is great if you're an open cloud user. The last

couple of updates have been great. Uh

but I think that's where the world is going like these purposeful agents that can do these mundane tasks. Um and I love it. Yeah.

love it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just agents are starting to use computers. Um, and you run he uh tweeted the other day. He's

like he's just like enjoy this brief period of time where you can watch the browser use in a way like cuz soon it's just going to be so fast that like it's going to be too fast for us to even

follow. And so it's it's this weird t

follow. And so it's it's this weird t time where you know it's the they're speeding up. I don't know if you've used

speeding up. I don't know if you've used browser use. Have you used browser use?

browser use. Have you used browser use?

I had it build a chess. So, in one prompt, this is in my long hour and 40 minute codeex video. I had it build a chess board um like a chess game and then play itself and it was just like

moving fast. The first time it did it is

moving fast. The first time it did it is like it for move four move checkmated itself and I was like no play for longer and it was like okay it just clicked on the restart button and then just played itself again really fast like faster than I would ever play anyone. I was

like wow.

Have you seen their repo? They released

a repo where they have like a browser use harness self-healing. Oh, are you talking about the thing that the guy made a video on the other day where you can like Oh, that's real time.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, like,

and that's another interesting too, like with agents. Now, we're entering an

with agents. Now, we're entering an arena where like, yes, we know the agents can write code, but what if they can write code around their harness?

Like, what if they can build themselves tools that persist?

Like, like it's like imagine like a robot that can build extensions of itself, right? So, again, the best

itself, right? So, again, the best coding model is the best model for everything, right? And that's what

everything, right? And that's what everyone's betting on. Computer use, I don't know if you've looked at like the recent model drops, that's been a big focus for a lot of them. Even Opus, like

Opus 47 had a huge computer use boost because to your point, we've realized, oh, the agents are capable of doing all these things. Let's give them a

these things. Let's give them a computer. Let's give them the ability to

computer. Let's give them the ability to do X, Y, and Z.

Well, they also need training data on um like computer like they need cuz basically the way it works is like it takes a screenshot, it feeds it to the LLM. the LLM is like, "Oh, click on

the LLM. the LLM is like, "Oh, click on DOM D4." Yeah. Like literally, and then

DOM D4." Yeah. Like literally, and then it'll click and it'll take a screenshot.

So, like it's pretty like slow, but like it's going to get faster and faster.

And you notice Opus, if you looked at their new model, the resolution at which they can analyze images increase to like I'm pretty sure it was like the exact dimensions of a normal MacBook.

And that's because they're betting computer use.

Yeah. And so, it's very interesting. So

they have precision and then so like now you know sometimes you're waiting 10 seconds for the mouse to go from the the menu button to the submit button but it's like what if it's a tenth of a second um and they acquired another

company called Versep. Um I didn't even know that which is uh they created something called Vi Computer. It never

took off because it wasn't it's not there yet but it's like a one of the best computer use guys and they probably just hired they just wanted the team probably.

Yeah. Well Meta so this guy this is like a side story but this is really interesting. So, Vercept is this

interesting. So, Vercept is this company. They're out of Seattle maybe

company. They're out of Seattle maybe and their computer use. The guy, his name's Matt, who I got on a podcast like a year ago, but then we ended up not releasing it because Zuck came in and

bought him for 200 mil a year. You know,

you remember when he was like buying the scientist, they just scooped him up out of the company and then the company ended up going to Anthropic. So, clearly

Meta is quite interested in that game too. They're just

too. They're just And they tried to buy Manis.

Yeah. And Manis Manis was the first super app and that's the thing what's quite unfortunate is the first ones didn't really capture the huge upside again.

Manis Manis capture 100%.

I don't want to say Gen Spark is not good but they're at like 300 million.

Yeah. M manis one, but it's like to me like the level of how big the Codeex super app and Claude when they get stuff together like how high of a growth it's going to be. I don't think it's going to be com it's I don't think it's

comparable to where Madness is at right now. Same with Cursor. Like Curser was

now. Same with Cursor. Like Curser was the first one with the agents tab. And I

guess this is me sort of like inspiring myself cuz I don't think you have to necessarily be first. You just have to be the best.

Yeah. I mean you have to to a degree.

You have to be early. Yeah.

Cursor. Curser. You say like cursor hasn't won because it feels in like in the bubble, but there's so many people you talk to who are in software engineering but like aren't paying attention.

They're not even. But here's the thing, they're still on tap complete. Like a

lot of like people are still like, "Oh, cursor I have a buddy."

But you know, you know, I just want to finish by saying like cursor in a very meaningful way has won.

10 again don't get when I say hasn't won.

I'm talking about number one.

Number one.

I'm talking about number one. 10 bill

I'd take 10 billion dollars.

No, no. At the end of the day, every like at the end of the day, number one is going to be the best coding model.

And I think that's kind of the thing and that that's the thing like unfortunately you can't be number one unless Okay. Okay. And I want to talk about

Okay. Okay. And I want to talk about someone who's been hiding for the it feels like they've been hiding. Shout

out Logan Kilpatrick out there. Where's

Google right now? Like doesn't it feel like they're they're like ramping up to something maybe or I have a couple who used to work at Google and the one thing I think Google has Google has infinite money, right?

Right? They have GDP level money. They

have GDP level power and they have they have like like great talent. The problem

with Google from again insider sources for me is the teams are not really allowed to fully collaborate together like information is very sparse, right?

Like so there will be people in Google who will find out the new model drop the same time you and me find out. Sure.

Right. And and it makes sense, right? An

organization at that level that deals with that much data, right? So like like it would be nice if the Gemini team was allowed to operate in their own box silo where they're a startup and they can

mess up and they can move cuz like Gemini in terms of knowledge is the smartest model but tool calling is not that good.

Sure.

Like I tried it for computer use it couldn't even click right. Like it it's just it it's it's embarrassing to say it's a Google model but if you remember how bad Bard was.

Sure. and then how good Gemini 3 or 2.5 I forgot what class model was that leap was huge.1 is their latest I have no

was huge.1 is their latest I have no doubt they'll be able to leap again I genuinely think and like again this is from people who I know work in Google are close and part of these teams it's like they have a huge organizational

problem like and they're not allowed to really collaborate information is sparse like so so no think about this like if you if you have like a chat or or question that involves like a Google search you're going to go to Gemini if you if you want

to study for class you're going to use Notebook LM. If you want to make a quick

Notebook LM. If you want to make a quick vibe coding app, you're going to use Google AI Studio. If you're if you want to do serious coding work, you're going to use anti-gravity, which is like the new version of wind surf. And then and

then if you want to do a design, you're going to use um the stitch.

Stitch stitch.

Yeah. So like they have all these product surfaces. It's like, hey, what

product surfaces. It's like, hey, what if you did what OpenAI did?

One super. You asked all of these teams, what if you just you you have the Elon Musk level like come in, you interview everyone, what are you doing today?

Which he is great at. I'm not going to lie. He is great at getting stuff

lie. He is great at getting stuff together.

Like imagine if if someone But the problem is is like that person's going to be you have to be the leader of the company to come in and just do it.

You're not going to get some consultant to come in and do it, you know, like.

But like honestly, if I was Google right now, I would take the best people from all these teams, put them into one, and either make Google AI studio or anti-gravity the super like like literally like Gemini should

be its own startup. Like it should like like they should have like maybe their own leadership. Like obviously I'm not

own leadership. Like obviously I'm not saying they don't report to the core leadership, but like they should be given freedom to like move fast, break things, and do all this stuff cuz Google doesn't have the problem the labs have, which I don't think the labs have a

problem, but like Google doesn't have to worry about money. They make money a lot of it too. They have great data sourcing financially, right? It's just a matter

financially, right? It's just a matter of like getting it together. And I find that it's a lot harder or it's a lot bigger ask than we think cuz to me and you it's like okay let's just get everybody together and let's hunker down. I think at an organization that

down. I think at an organization that level it it takes a little bit of shaking.

Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So, okay.

So, like I guess I guess the you know the way that I think about it is they're one model train away from like being in the in the running, you know? You know,

they're going to release a model that's good at tool calling. I mean, you would have like like it's like there's no way they can't do that, right? It's to me it's just internal stuff, right? Cuz again,

Bard was terrible. I don't I don't think people remember how bad Bard was. It was

extremely bad.

Also a bad name.

A terrible name as well. Kind of like what was it? Moltbot. Yeah. I don't

know, dude. We don't need to get into all the

dude. We don't need to get into all the names of OpenCaw. They did settle on the best name though.

Yeah, OpenCaw is nice. Open worked out.

Like them being bought by Open AI worked out. But um Gemini like the Gemini team

out. But um Gemini like the Gemini team I just think like needs to be allowed to operate as a startup. They are one model away of catching up to everybody. I

don't think they're like years behind and like all the techniques that are being used, it's out in the open. It's

not like anthropic or Codex is doing anything novel. I think open like Google

anything novel. I think open like Google should win and I want them to win because I own Google stock. So please,

I love it. I love it. Okay. Okay. I want

to turn this to to kind of uh get into some more tactical things and um like strategic things, right?

So if you think about all of this, right, you said it yourself. You said

coding models uh the best coding model is going to be the best at everything, right? So given the fact that everyone's

right? So given the fact that everyone's going to be interfacing with coding models soon, right? That's going to be part of most people's work. What are the things that are kind of universal across any of these coding tools? Like I I

heard you mention on Greg's podcast I I think you said something along the lines of um you said like what your your inputs really matter a lot like it's really important like how you prompt and

so I'm curious like yeah talk about prompting and like what do you think are the most important things to do right now that kind of stretch across all use

cases. Yeah, like u the one main thing

cases. Yeah, like u the one main thing like I I want a lot of people to understand is like even though like we label these models as like oh this model thinks or this model does underlying the

LLM is just a predictor of text right somehow mathematically when you map uh words to a vector database you map them on like uh a vector graph u the like

words that correlate together are close by I I don't even know how the math works but if you ask a model what is the capital France on that graph, Paris is closer by, so it's going to pick Paris.

So, what the models are great at is they're a great predictor of the next token. It doesn't actually think, it

token. It doesn't actually think, it just predicts what it thinks is the not even thinks, what it knows to be the next answer. Right? So, the reason why I

next answer. Right? So, the reason why I say that is the English that you use, the words that you use are way more powerful than you think. It's not a like you and me can understand like for

example I could say oh we watched a basketball game and those guys killed them right based on language and history and stuff you know I don't literally mean that they picked up an ax and killed all of them you know that I mean

like oh they just beat them in the models do not have the ability to understand the way you and I do it will it has the ability to predict the next token that being said when you understand this then you understand how

powerful how important your prompts are.

This is why I think something like Whisper Flow um is great because I think more people can speak better than they can type, right? Typing just feels a little too long or you want to shorten things, right? But being able to speak

things, right? But being able to speak and to articulate exactly what you want the model to do is one of the biggest plus EV things you can do cuz as the model gets better at predicting the next text, it's going to give you exactly

what you ask for.

On top of this, it's like it it's really hard to articulate what it is that you want if you don't have any industry knowledge, right? which is why I think we're seeing

right? which is why I think we're seeing the marketing types are getting obsessed with vibe coding tools are easier than the other people and then like we're kind of starting to see these vibe there's this tool called pulia that came

out uh it was a AI marketing agent or whatever and it just spat out slop and so like so this is this will make sense in a second but like my point is is like you need to have some industry knowledge

in order to articulate it and so like right now we're seeing a lot of gimmicky tools get launched where like it just spits out slop but like none industry experts a don't know how to articulate what it is that they want and b they

don't really know how to verify whether it is good or not in the same way for me when I you know vibe coded at the beginning like you know if for me if it ran I was like good and if people would be like oh but the code's

like not good and it's just like no I mean look at it it works it's working and like I you know and that that's kind of the difference and so what I've noticed is people who have like a lot of range you know if they're good at marketing they're good at coding or they

understand the basic concepts are able to just do so much because they they know a good enough amount. You don't need to go as deep

amount. You don't need to go as deep anymore.

No, you can be a great six, seven out of 10 and go really really far. You just

have to be a six or a seven out of 10.

Yeah. Yeah. So, generalists are just killing it right now, I think, across the board. Especially if you have like

the board. Especially if you have like high agency and like you don't really believe in the walls between stuff like like if you if you just have some good taste in design like you're a designer now because you can just you know how to use the tool for knowledge work. You can

h you just have to ask your team be like, "Hey, how do I uh create a branch on this repo? Like let me let me hop in.

and I'll edit it. And so like now our whole team when we want to make design changes can like even even the non-technical people can just hop in and make the changes directly to the codebase and they can push it to their own branch and then the team can review

it, make sure the code's good. But like

it's sped up our velocity so much is yeah sorry this is your like seven out of 10 like generalists can go far cuz like if you have the ability to articulate what you want exactly how you want. We're getting to the point where

want. We're getting to the point where the models are getting good at giving you that. Now it's not perfect. There's

you that. Now it's not perfect. There's

still room for improvement, but it's much better than it was last year.

Another thing that I've noticed that a lot of people do is a lot of people are giving it all this unnecessary context that it doesn't need, especially in the coding arena. Like one thing people will

coding arena. Like one thing people will do, for example, I've seen agent MD files where they'll be like this is a React codebase. You don't need to tell

React codebase. You don't need to tell it that. Like it when it reads the file,

it that. Like it when it reads the file, it's going to realize, oh, this is a React codebase, right? like like skills, agentm defaults, all these things need to be perfectly articulated and they

need to be necessary. For example, with skills in my opinion, the best skills are to your point domain expertise and workflows that are specific to you and

your company. Right. For example, um and

your company. Right. For example, um and this was like an early uh test I did of OpenCloud. I connected OpenCloud to my

OpenCloud. I connected OpenCloud to my notion to dub.sh which is my analytics platform. I connected it to my YouTube

platform. I connected it to my YouTube analytics and to Stripe and I told it gener I told the agent generate me a report of how my channel did and how my

business did this month. It generated a report. It was complete garbage.

report. It was complete garbage.

Complete garbage. It took these numbers that numbers. It didn't even do the math

that numbers. It didn't even do the math right. And that's because I didn't

right. And that's because I didn't explain to it what a report looks like.

So what I did was I created a skill as to like okay for CTR this is how you calculate. For the sponsor videos this

calculate. For the sponsor videos this is how you calculate. This is I explained it cleanly, thoroughly in a skill and in one shot it got it the next time. Right? So, keeping your agent

time. Right? So, keeping your agent stack minimal, keeping the skills minimal, right? Um being articulate with

minimal, right? Um being articulate with what you wanted to do like I've almost seen a night and day and like there are times I'll experiment where I'll talk to it like a friend like vaguely slang and

all this stuff and I'll talk to it like articulately. The results are night and

articulately. The results are night and day, right? So, if you give it garbage,

day, right? So, if you give it garbage, it'll spit out garbage. If you give it good, maybe might give you garbage, but the likelihood of it being good is a lot higher.

100%. One thing I found for like knowledge work type stuff, I actually don't even think about prompting as much as getting to one good output and then reverse engineering the skill out of it

and telling%.

So like what I'll do is like I I used to be like, you know, I have a very structured way I make my videos. Like you've seen my my videos have a there's a lot of This is crazy. By the way, anyone watching, it's like boom boom boom. Like

it's a very uh dude, we got all we got all we can change the change the camera angle.

Yeah, this is this lot of effort that goes into like preparing for a video. And so my my number one thing for YouTube is my YouTube skill. So like if I were to go

YouTube skill. So like if I were to go to Codeex, right, and I type in slashyou, I have this YouTube researcher skill which uses what's called the uh it uses the SER API for searching, right? for like it could

searching, right? for like it could search Ross Mike on um on YouTube and it will list all your videos and then it uses another API called super data which is like a 1

second grab full transcript and so like often times I will when I want a good when I'm I'm like I need this hook to be absolutely amazing you know I'll spend three hours on a on just the hook if

it's like a big long video like if I'm going to spend all this time on the video like we have to get people to the good part of the video and so you got to spend a lot of time on the hook and what I'll do is I'll just write down kind of what I want to include in the hook and

I'll just send my agent off to analyze all the educational YouTubers, find a similar video that performed really like outside of their range of views, you know, like if they

if they're averaging 30,000 views, it'll look for videos over 200,000, find the best hooks that they did, and then apply the same style to my video.

Um, and that's kind of how I'll do it.

And so, like, that's one thing. It's

like you don't have to rely on typing.

That's why I like the term context management. It's like you can send them

management. It's like you can send them to the right API or you can give them a bunch of really good examples and like there's a there's a bunch of different ways to like engineer these workflows

beyond just typing or speaking. It

almost feels like employee onboarding like uh one example I gave Greg and like it's exactly what you said. I will like go back and forth with the agent, show it exactly how it gets done and once we've had a successful run we're going

to be like okay look at everything that you did how it went right. Let's turn

that to a skill. And I've even like done this recursively where like I'll keep telling it to do it again and again and there will be times like it'll have a hiccup and because like the agents can like you could tell it oh you had a hiccup fix this and it'll fix it then

you'll be like okay now make sure the skill gets updated so this doesn't happen again right when um like I like to think I coined this term but like you want to scale for productivity with your agents right like this exact workflow

might not work for somebody else cuz this works exactly for you and but a lot of people are just installing 50 different 100 different skills from different people like they might install yours mine and they're like why doesn't

it work because the agents are supposed to be personal. Yes. Right. Like it's

personal computer made sense back then.

I think personal agent makes a lot more sense now. I mean it's like hiring an

sense now. I mean it's like hiring an employee like when you hire an employee there's a process by which you hire and you either get good or not get good at that process you know and and that's why

I think a lot of people are falling prey on Instagram and other social platforms where they are getting sold skills but like what you don't understand is like I've seen a skill course like so many so much money in it by the way like

the guy was selling you for 150 bucks and like the video had 150k likes and I was just doing simple math I'm like man dude hey you'll Yes, all of that stuff is happening and I think yeah, people

are not understanding the point. I think

especially as we move more into general agent use cases like you just need to get good at agents like you can get good at it and it just takes reps and so like learning how to create one skill is way more valuable than someone giving you an

excel file of a hundred skills you know that that you know where you can download them and that's why like the open claw skill hub claw hub clawhub was such a nightmare like every skill I downloaded it was

just doing random things and like were viruses too some of them were malware yeah and so I think I Yeah, learning that as a skill is really important. And as you were saying, the

important. And as you were saying, the agent doesn't fully know everything that you're doing, but the model companies, they want to solve for that.

Yeah.

Do you heard of Chronicle?

No.

Chronicle is their new feature that on on Codeex. So, if you go to um

on Codeex. So, if you go to um personalization and we go to this Chronicle research preview, it screenshots my screen like every few seconds and it stores it. And so, it's

starting to like pick up on additional context. So, if you're watching a

context. So, if you're watching a YouTube video, it'll know you're watching the YouTube video when you type. And and now I'm seeing more and

type. And and now I'm seeing more and more that once you have this. And by the way, I'm not there's obviously a lot of like um security privacy stuff.

I'm not endorsing this as a feature. I'm

just letting people know like this is the direction it's going is it's going to have more and more context. And so I listened to Arand uh the CEO of uh Perplexity. He he gave this speech once

Perplexity. He he gave this speech once about how something flipped in his brain when he he used to get mad at users or blame the users for typing in really bad queries on perplexity. And then one day some guy told them he's like no you need

to have 100% like everything that goes wrong is on you. You need to make it as easy as possible for people. And like I feel like that's the direction it's going is like they would rather this just work and and so there's a lot of

ways that they're trying to make it work for people which is like recording your screen eventually maybe audio and like and you see all of these connections right if you connect it to

linear right maybe like the best prompt you could do is implement this feature at linear and then you like type the name of the ticket and then that's the best way to do it and so like it's fun to see how all these companies are doing

integrations. Yeah, there's a lot of

integrations. Yeah, there's a lot of like new cool stuff. Like this is interesting. Another thing um that I I

interesting. Another thing um that I I built and I I didn't know if like it'd go far, but like now with all the stuff that's happening is interesting. What I

thought of is like let's say you had like a web app like like a simple product that people loved and everyone wants to customize it to their own degree and like you make it like module, you add drag and drop and all this

stuff, but you can only take it so far.

But then what I thought of is like imagine you had like a chat bubble over here and people can prompt the features they want on your app and like this like

spins up a sandbox agent builds it pushes it to their instance and like at first like are these technical people or completely un so my thought like I thought of this like four months ago my goal was like

for untenical people nontechnical people to do this but like for simple web apps and at the time the models I at least the models didn't allow me to think this visionary like early December I didn't

have the opus 4.5 moment. But now it feels like with all the context these models will start to have of people, it might get to the point where like you might not be able to communicate exactly what you want, but based on your

behavior, it knows what you want, right?

Like and we already at this with like, you know, ad platforms, right? Like you

look at one thing and they based on whatever algorithm they have know exactly what the next thing it is you want, right? So I think personalization

want, right? So I think personalization is like a big thing that everyone's going for. There's a couple different

going for. There's a couple different angles, but at the end of the day, the best coding model is the model that could do all Yeah, I know. Honestly, like that's actually what it just comes down to. It

sounds like what you're describing is kind of like a GitHub for vibe coding.

But basically, like imagine like there's this like like let's say I'm on Twitch and like I like want this specific like I want the chat feature here and I want this here and like if I could like say

like oh can you drag this here, drag that there, drag this there like the models can do it.

Sure. And it's at a point where like you know back then like oneshotting was a miracle right like remember like when that was like the benchmark like I oneshot this and it worked right now

like one like you expect the first shot to work you expect the app to run right so I think like stuff like that like personal customization having the app specifically tailored to how you want API as a service like all these things

are starting to become possible cuz again the best coding model is Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and it it just

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and it it just connects to things and it whatever you would want an app for, it just does the thing. It's it's it's a really really

thing. It's it's it's a really really weird uh world out there. I do want to hop to um you've been talking about CMUX, T-Max, V-Mox, GMOX, all the MXes. Yeah. Yeah.

MXes. Yeah. Yeah.

Um yeah, let's let's dive into some tools that people aren't talking about as much right now, like non-super apps.

So you, my co-founder, and a couple other people on our team are using Semox, I believe, which from my perspective, it just looks like a chaotic

terminal mess. What is So basically CMUX

terminal mess. What is So basically CMUX is built on top of Wait, is it CMUX or T-M? I might be It's one of the MX. I

T-M? I might be It's one of the MX. I

have all three like I have and there's a Demox as well. Like Elon M.

Yeah, there's all these MXes, but basically it's like a giant terminal. It

uses Live Ghosty, the same library that powers Ghosty terminal. But then I have a tab and I can have multiple terminals in one app and I have these hotkeys and

I can switch between different tabs and I can have multiple terminals on the same screen, but I could also have a browser.

So you have the you have the left sidebar like like this, right?

Yes. And that's like all the tabs for the different terminals for the different like projects.

So it's like it's like this basically. Yes. Yeah. And but like all

basically. Yes. Yeah. And but like all these can be terminals.

So it's just terminal terminal.

But then I also have a browser. It also

like CMOX has a browser like like persistent browser. Um like the hotkeys

persistent browser. Um like the hotkeys are great. Um and so this is the big

are great. Um and so this is the big thing. There are a lot of people and we

thing. There are a lot of people and we see it the companies are pushing for guies, right? I don't know if the codec

guies, right? I don't know if the codec has gotten an update recently, but it feels like they're pushing for the guies. There's still a part of me,

guies. There's still a part of me, especially for focused work that likes working on a terminal, right? Like if

I'm working on one project and one project alone and I'm solely focused on this, I don't know why I feel like this incentivizes me to work on multiple things at a time. And that's not bad.

Like there are times where I want to work on multiple different things at a time. But it feels like for the

time. But it feels like for the terminal, I'm sure like the people in the open it in a mini window.

See, the super app could do everything.

Yeah. You just you just full screen it.

It's easy as that.

The super app. But like and I think your team would agree with me there. There's

just something about like this like focus like although yes I have multiple terminals of multiple agents running there is this like uh thing about working in a terminal especially as a developer I don't know if it's like you

know we've used it for so long and we can't let go or like I can't even tell you there's productivity gains but like I I love cmox or

demox cool demox whatever the m is yeah um have any bold predictions for this year let's think about this for a second together like where are we going Like this this is something that I like to talk about with the team. It's like it's

like let's think about this last year for a second, right? Or or you know the last year, you know, we had really smart models. We had the the terminal

models. We had the the terminal interface came out. People started

coding. AI agents are starting to think for longer and longer and longer. We're

to the point where like I have done an hour and a half run uh on on um I told you I cloned Replet or or Loveful just released it had

sandboxes. I used um Daytona. Yeah. Um,

sandboxes. I used um Daytona. Yeah. Um,

and it just worked. I mean, an hour and a half.

Yeah. But still,

but it was it was good.

Yeah.

And I could make edits to the app. It

was actually insane. I was actually like blown away. But like, yeah. It's like,

blown away. But like, yeah. It's like,

okay, so these agents are thinking for longer. They're getting better and

longer. They're getting better and better at tool calls. There's more and more integrations.

We're giving them computers.

We're giving them computers. They're

going to be able to spin up these computers, do things, and then Yeah. And

that begs the question though, like one thing about the negative downside of the sandboxes are that they all get blocked by servers.

warehouse comput I think a lot is I think I think a lot of companies are going to realize okay agents are going to be customers like for example Stripe had stripe sessions today a good chunk of their

announcements is like oh you can use your agents on stripe you can your agents to issue cards to do this to do that to do that so I think from a business perspective like you used to think about developer experience but now

people are think about agent experience uh like how how can you have agents like um integrate so well like I work at convex convix is a back end as a service the one thing now we think about is how do we make the model so good at convex

like what how can we change our APIs what documentation can we give so that it's just so simple you guys plugged in yet you guys got a plug in it's coming I think I think it's coming yes um we have one on cursor so like we

think about all these things and I I see a lot of company think about these things but in terms of predictions first and foremost I've come to realize Guys, it's almost so difficult to be on the spot because one thing I don't think a

lot of people saw cuz we were Daario and all these people were betting on coding being the one that it was going to absolutely kill at. And although it's got better, we still and I'm sure you've realized uh you know with the company

you're running, good engineers are still necessary. Like the gap between someone

necessary. Like the gap between someone who doesn't know and a good engineer both using the tools is very very far.

But knowledge work, the improvements in knowledge work is astronomical. I had a 27page contract sent to me the other day and I asked a lawyer for a quote and the price had a comma. I'm like, "There's no

way, right? There's no way I'm paying."

way, right? There's no way I'm paying."

You know, if you paid him and you sent it to him, he's running it through Harvey or whatever. Yeah.

I ran it through Claude and it broke every single page down. It gave me the gotchas. I literally asked it, "Where

gotchas. I literally asked it, "Where can they screw me?" And it broke it down. When you take this clause and that

down. When you take this clause and that clause, they can basically do whatever they want. That was something that I was

they want. That was something that I was going to pay $1,000 for. So when it comes to knowledge work, which is a little amount for like like $1,000 an hour or some of these lawyers.

Yeah. Like and listen. Yeah. Like I

definitely got a good quote, but like some like Yeah. Some of these knowledge work ting like my my friend Muso like he did our company taxes like the bookkeeping like and gave it to an accountant. The accountant was like,

accountant. The accountant was like, "Oh, do you have CPA experience?" No, he used Clark he used Cloud Max, right? So

there's like we've made such an improvement with knowledge work and I think especially with like these computer use things and all that stuff like knowledge work is just going to be rocked

and you know is that job loss is that people just using the tools more I don't know that part cuz you know you're talking about people and like layoffs and all these things you know it's sad when you hear these things but I feel

like knowledge work is just going to exponentially take off like nothing before like we're just seeing the beginning of like the computer taking the agent taking a screenshot feeding it to its model and then getting where to

click.

So, so okay. So, if we think about this in layers, right? You have this like super smart like LLMs are getting really good and then you have this agent layer which allows it to use tools and then it one of the tools that it can or can basically use

I guess what makes an agent really useful is it can use all the tools on a computer right and then one layer on that is it can actually use the interface of a computer which is like um mouse keyboard etc. And then on top of

this, like a layer on top would probably be like to create like really good quality documents, like maybe it can start to learn how to use Canva, that type of thing, etc., etc. And then probably the next big unlock, which I'm actually

unaware of, is payments, right?

Yeah, there's a lot. Stripe announced a lot of that today, right? Like a really useful employee has

right? Like a really useful employee has the agency to go in and make payments.

And yeah, I guess do you know anything about that?

So I I actually like built a mini version of this for myself. I wanted to see if I could handle if my agent can handle Uber Eats, right? So, there are many like virtual card providers. They

have APIs. You could do that programmatically. The issue with virtual

programmatically. The issue with virtual cards is some like sites don't accept virtual cards. Like you think it needs

virtual cards. Like you think it needs to have an address. Stripe today

launched the ability for you to issue cards that are for agents. And the way this works is it's your Stripe credit card or debit card or whatever they call it. So, it's a legitimate card tied to

it. So, it's a legitimate card tied to your business that has an address. the

agent. I don't know how the API works, but like no sensitive information is fed to the agent. Sure, it can make the payment. It can get to the stage where

payment. It can get to the stage where it's about to make the payment and then it messages you and says, "Should I make this payment?"

this payment?" It doesn't it so I don't know if you can turn it off. I I'm pretty sure you should be

off. I I'm pretty sure you should be allowed to do that cuz if you can preload the account, like I picture startups with millions of dollars, like if you give it $50 and it goes rogue, like if you raise $10 million, that's what I'm saying. You know, like

obviously don't give it access to like the Amex that has 100k limit.

Sure. Sure. Sure. But like I'm thinking like, you know, I want to be able to do a $2,000 weekly limit.

Yeah. And it can if it goes rogue, you know, it's a expensive L, but like it's a good story.

I mean, we'd making money back in in just making content.

But you know what? Industry is starting to change and focus on all this. It

feels like all the crypto bros who are legitimately building like legit things that didn't get caught up with the pump and dump stuff. It now everyone's focused on agentic commerce cuz like now

like you can issue like tokens and all this stuff and you don't need a bank or a subsidiary. So have you are you

a subsidiary. So have you are you familiar with X42?

So it's a protocol that Coinbase is backing that basically it's like an HTTP request that an agent can fire to send payments using crypto, right? So there's

a lot of you find like a buyer and a seller you there's a way to connect and you can exchange funds. The only thing

exchange funds. The only thing is it reversible like is it backed by like so Coinbase is backing it which is like again it's a pretty big company and I know I think uh Stripe has their own

implementation called machine uh something protocol. The only issue

something protocol. The only issue currently at this state is you have these fragmented protocols. there isn't

one united thing. And I think like that's the big thing the next year is like having these agents make payments, right? Like for example, if like you

right? Like for example, if like you know at your guys's office if there's like an Uber Eats stip where like people can order lunch. Heck, like why doesn't the agent handle that?

Well, I mean we actually already my co-founder he he has a grocery bot that he uses he orders we like we get blueberries and yogurt and stuff show up at the office unannounced. It's

hilarious. Like or he'll message it on text and be like, "Hey, we're running out." But I think he's using the um he's

out." But I think he's using the um he's using like some Amazon API. It's not

like he gave it a credit card.

Give it a card like Yeah. And I think Stripe is probably the one that's going to make it happen. Yeah. Again, they

literally There's some other companies though that are only doing agentic payments.

Yeah. There's Cross Mint. There's

Natural Pay.

Agent. Yeah. Natural Pay. There's

agentcard.sh.

There's like a lot. Like I've I've It's going to be I mean, think about how it's a big prize.

100%. So yeah,

it's a lot of money. Get a lot of players. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like

players. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like

pre-revenue raising like the idea.

It's just it's just easy. Yeah. Um Okay.

So, so that's a prediction is AI agents get commerce. Yeah. Commerce is going to be

commerce. Yeah. Commerce is going to be big.

Commerce is going to be big. Uh

knowledge work documents will get 10 times better. I think like like just the

times better. I think like like just the people are going to get scared at how good they're going to get at creating like presentations and decks.

No, it's going to be really good. The

next scary thing though is and I'm lowkey not a fan of but I am at the same time is how good image models and video models are getting. Like Chad, like GBT image 2 is really good. Like

really good.

Again, in our bubble, you can be like, "Oh, I can pick defix." Like I can fool my mother.

Like I could take I could get GBT image to get a picture of me and LeBron James and I know for a fact there are people in my family who believe it. I have I don't know if you do. I have a paraphrase now.

Um cuz my ex account got hacked not too long ago. So now I have a paraphrase. If

long ago. So now I have a paraphrase. If

anyone sounds like me and is asking you for money, ask them for the paraphrase.

Oh, like a secret code. Secret code.

Yeah. Yeah.

And that's because like again the image gen models are getting good. The video

models like seed dance is getting good.

Like again there's quirks but like don't look at it where it's at now. Where is

it going to be in 6 months? And then

like voice cloning has been a thing. So

there's like that part of models that scares me and I feel like there's going to be bigger scams, bigger hacks. Um

especially on Facebook with older people. Yeah. That that that's going to

people. Yeah. That that that's going to be big and that's scary.

It is scary for Yeah. For whatever

reason, for me, you know, I I midjourney in mid 2022 was my portal into AI.

That's when I got I dropped everything to to dive into AI when I was using Dolly 2 and um Midjourney in the early days.

And I was obsessed with image generation. It's like

generation. It's like if you plotted my interest in image generation with how good they got, they're inversely correlated. Like

for whatever reason, now that they're so good, I don't even really think about them much. um for whatever. There's

them much. um for whatever. There's

something like magical in the early days about like the imperfections.

Possible. Like it's just like it's gotten so good. It's like I'm numb to it. Like I use it and it's it's one

to it. Like I use it and it's it's one of those things like Photoshop for years they they invented all of these different types of tools and toggles that you could do to achieve these effects.

And by the way, engineering wise, some of the most immaculate software cuz like anything to do with image audio, like being able to like change those date like that data, it's insane.

I'll never forget it. Like one time I had an internship and I talked to this guy and he would spend like two days on like getting the outline for one of his images and like his weekly deliverable

was the cover an image on page six of this thing you know and and now a model replaced Photoshop like people that's insane if you can articulate the change

you want right which gets back to like having industry knowledge and have being able to articulate what you want you can get that effect.

Can you go on Twitter real quick? I just

want to show you how I oneshotted this one image. And that's when I was like,

one image. And that's when I was like, it's it's basically over here.

So, if you click on media, uh, click on media and then there should be scroll like that image right there. That

was one prompt.

Yeah. What was the like? It was just like I I said like make it look like I signed in the NBA for the Raptors. And I put my image in and look at that. Look at that level of detail.

Like this is insane. And this is coming.

So yeah, I think this is a good theme to think about like this is coming for all knowledge work like whatever you your the feelings that you have right now that this is insane like it's coming to presentations it's coming and this is

not you know and and you know which makes you think about tools like gamma you know gamma um deck maker it's like it's like a interface didn't do this the

model did it right and that's where it's going for you knowledge work is it% and you know like that's the scary thing for a lot rappers. It's like there no, you know, it's not the ris it's not the risk of OpenAI releasing an interface

for design.

It's the model itself being able to do it and then make all the changes and it won't even need an interface which is the crazy thing. And

yeah, like the fact that this was one prompt and like just like the sweat, the glare, like this is like Yeah, that's insane.

Like it's just it's incredible. And like

now imagine product images and all these stuff like like all these companies and services that existed because like this skill like this like someone got paid a lot of money 10 years ago to create

something like this. It was just incredible right like now the model's been able to switch. So like anything in the knowledge work creative work arena like the unless you yourself are the the

differentiator if you've just been basic the whole time average skills the whole time.

Yeah. You know, and and I think one theme for me about content creation, and this applies to you, I think when I think about content creation, is like

all of the repetitive process-based things in video too, cuz this is all coming for video, too. Like any like cuz videos can be informational and like AI is going to be able to create demo videos.

The more AI gets better, the more I'm just tempted to literally stream for 3 hours a day, do this 3 hours a day and clip it, make it human, wear funny, like literally just be weird. Like,

yeah, like something that you just can't do. Like,

for example, in the coding space, I'm sure you're aware tutorials are dead.

Yeah.

Nobody watches coding tutorials anymore.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Coding tutorials. Not

like tool tutorials. sitting down like you're going to learn Python today this like line by line typing like all those channels except one guy code with Anton that's cuz he's a G all those

channels have went down well well the people who the the the tutorials that win are the people with great personalities you look at like Theo Primagin those guys they're fun to be around you're hanging out with them but they're also doing the thing that you like to do

like yeah they're talking smack they're like you know having these type of discussions oh anthropic sucks open eyes this like like that's what people like the relationship like so that thank God won't be taken from us at

least I hope.

No no no dude I'm telling you right now the biggest thing like right now I tell people who are developers who are getting afraid and they're like trying to find their path out of doing software engineering. They're like dude I love

engineering. They're like dude I love man you make content like how do I get into it? I'm like dude just turn on your

into it? I'm like dude just turn on your computer figure out the basics of a of a of a of a camera. You don't need to buy a $4,000 camera that I have after like I had a crappiest camera for a year and a half. It didn't matter. I had a mic,

half. It didn't matter. I had a mic, this like road mic that was partly broken. I got to like 500k follow. You

broken. I got to like 500k follow. You

don't need all the nice equipment, but like just learn the basics and then just like turn on the computer and just have fun and stream yourself, film it, you know, and you'll figure out like the intros if you're posting long form

videos. But I think there's so much room

videos. But I think there's so much room in the market right now for people to just because people aren't looking for tutorials per se. They're looking they want people and they want to like understand what you can do. like they

just want to turn on their TV, sit, get some inspiration, and then they want to go mess around with it because AI is it's not as rigid as coding.

It's made and it's made it easier now.

Like there are apps that I built that I used like a technology stack that I would have never picked up. I would have never used cuz like I just didn't have the domain expertise nor did I care enough to know like I built a mobile app

the other day using Swift. Never written

a line of Swift in my life. I and I don't care to learn to. Right. So it's

to your point like it's made it AI has made it easier to start things but like the there's still a need for community and and and and chatting and information and there's also a lot of grift online.

So like if you're like just honestly like an honest person and you just share things.

It's a lot harder to grift when you're in a streaming because like% the longer you're on camera. You know

most grifters they're on Twitter or they're on um the Twitter grift is insane though. I

don't know if you noticed like my product product launch and then all of a sudden the same accounts are running.

Well, I mean I mean you you would be surprised at how high that goes up like in terms of what companies are doing that. So like everyone is doing that

that. So like everyone is doing that right now.

Yeah. some of these launch videos it should be like dude I I don't I don't want to call them out but there's a lot it's standard practice to do the botting but that's not even the grill griff that I'm talk

what what I'm saying is like if you want to stand out you want to build trust and build an audience build a brand in this landscape even if you're a company like

go long do stuff like this or just like create like super high quality content and yeah I think those people are going to win because AI is coming for your punch. It's going to be crazy.

punch. It's going to be crazy.

Maybe an NBA player for a day.

Wow. So, like I guess like any final thoughts? Anything that joged your

thoughts? Anything that joged your memory through this episode that you want to get off your chest?

Yeah. Like I guess like like couple things I'll say like like as scary as some of these things is it really is the best time to start like like whatever it is, right? Like it's a service, it's a

is, right? Like it's a service, it's a business, it's a hobby, it's a thing like you want to learn. I don't know whatever it is like it's the best time.

Like information is so cheap, right?

There are people who spend 10 years of their life to acquire information that you and I now have access to for $20 a month. And if you don't want to pay, you

month. And if you don't want to pay, you get the chat GBT ads, right? Like

information is so cheap. Like really

what matters now is, and I hate the term cuz everyone uses it, but it's actual agency. Like like you know, searching

agency. Like like you know, searching for the information, trying to do something, it doesn't work, figuring it out, like keeping like you know, you you keep on going. Like it is such a great

time to be alive where like you and me like met online a year ago. Now I'm here at your everyone from our company is hired from Twitter like you know what I mean like there's so much like power in like putting

yourself out there and like you don't have to be loud on YouTube you don't have to like you just be you put yourself in some sort of medium where other can see like you know learn be honest share like you know I think

there's so much opportunity in that and although there's so much gloom and doom with all these things I generally think it is the best time to like build or do or it's the best time to build or do I mean if the world if the build is in the

state that the doomers say that it's in.

Like you might as well build during it.

Yeah. Um and you know whether or not it's the best time to get started, it's definitely better than uh one month from now or 5 months from now.

100%. And I'll be honest, I would take this time now over any other time. Like

there like the amount of things that like you can learn so quickly. Like the

amount of technologies you can learn like you can build apps. You don't even have to be a programmer, right? Like

sure might not be the best.

But the counterargument to that is like it's just like but if anyone can build it, do they have value?

Well, but but here's the thing. Most

people won't, right? like and and and that's the one mo people could have like agents. What if the agents just do what

agents. What if the agents just do what if the a what if it's just some guy who spins up 100 agents?

Then you know what? Do nothing and live the rest of your life. You know what I'm saying?

Like and I had someone say that to me like a recent grad. He's like, "Oh, but like what if this happens? What if

that?" And I'm like, "Okay, then be a bum." Like do nothing, you know? Like

bum." Like do nothing, you know? Like

but you can you can do stuff. It's

really accessible. You can learn. You

can make friends. You can partner up.

There's so much. Like for example, yeah, my friend, there's a lot of things he does that I don't know how to do. I'm

more of a technical like so like there's so much that can be done. It the the saddest thing that one person can do in this time is just be sad, doom, and gloom. Like there there's just so much

gloom. Like there there's just so much you could do.

Yeah. And also like a different framing of it that I've because I've talked to a lot of people that I used, you know, went to college with um who like reach out to me because they see that I became a content creator, startup founder, etc.

and like they just don't feel like they have permission. Like they're waiting

have permission. Like they're waiting for someone's permission.

And like the one thing that I just say is like you can do it. Like whatever it is, the thing that you want to do, like if you think there's a 10step plan, just do just take the direct path. What is it

the minimum viable thing that you could do to get you there and just you're allowed to do it and go do it. If you

need to move cities, go move cities. If

you need to uh buy a computer, buy a computer, figure it out. You have

permission. Do whatever you want.

Like it's just it's all right there.

Like the information is all right there.

Like you want to learn how to do this, you want to do like I wanted to like learn networking, right? I'm not really strong in networking. I want to learn networking. You know, before you'd have

networking. You know, before you'd have to buy a book this I I literally went back and forth with Claude and it was telling me, "Oh, you could do this. You

can do that."

I still don't know what networking is.

So, you know what I mean?

What even is that?

But there's so you can do so much now.

It's just a matter of like, yo, saying like, "I'm going to do it. I'm going to try." Like being okay with like sucking

try." Like being okay with like sucking at first cuz that's a lot of thing.

People want to be specialists on the first go. I want to be sure a professor

first go. I want to be sure a professor on the and that's just never going to happen. Um but you know, if you have

happen. Um but you know, if you have agency, if you have that dog in you, I don't think there's a better time than now. I I would I would take now versus

now. I I would I would take now versus any time in history.

Yep. Well, in this episode, we talked about all of the tools. We talked about all the tools. We talked about all the advancements. We even laid out some

advancements. We even laid out some predictions. AI is going to get really

predictions. AI is going to get really good at everything you could possibly do on a computer. That's basically the theme. And we also gave you permission

theme. And we also gave you permission to go out and test anything you want. So

that's pretty good.

You don't even need the $20 subscription. You can use the free one.

subscription. You can use the free one.

Come on. Come on. Buy the subscription.

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