Dr. Dan Schneider – Ancient Weapons Used Against Demons: Vigils, Fasting and Prayer | SRS #266

Dr. Dan Schneider, welcome back to the show man.

>> Thanks, Sean. Good to see you again.

>> Good to see you.

>> Feel like I'm back home.

>> Well, that's good. Yeah, it's good to have you here in the new in the new studio. But, uh, so this is your second

studio. But, uh, so this is your second appearance and, uh, man, your first one was eye opening, not only for me, but

for at least a million other people. And

um and uh as soon as you left, we pretty much we had a little side conversation.

I don't know if you remember. We were

like, "Oh, we should have gone into all this other stuff." So, you're back.

>> Yeah.

>> And uh to dive into all that other stuff. So, I'm excited about it. I'm a

stuff. So, I'm excited about it. I'm a

little scared about it. Uh pe taking a peek at what we're talking about. I'm

like, man, this is all the stuff that I've been wondering about. So, I'm

ready.

>> Yeah. getting just trying to get down to the the root of things as we were talking about. Just get down to the

talking about. Just get down to the basics. Where does this stuff come from

basics. Where does this stuff come from and what's what's going on?

>> Yeah. So, this is going to be all about spiritual warfare, demons, spells, all that kind of the the old gods. The old

gods and um and uh it's going to be a a heavy but very educational interview.

>> Yeah. So, but um but you need no introduction and uh I know you want to kick it off with a prayer and uh so do I. So, I'll let you uh

I. So, I'll let you uh >> All right, I'll start it off.

>> Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

>> Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst

with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God,

womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. St. Michael the

Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our

protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world,

seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

>> Amen.

>> Lord Jesus Christ, in your love of mercy, establish a perimeter of protection around us, all of our loved ones, those who pray for us and their loved ones. May thy holy angels guard us

loved ones. May thy holy angels guard us and all our possessions, establishing a primitive protection around me and Shawn and all of us here, running us immune from any kind of demonic influence.

We ask that no demonic bondage, door, portron, demonic entity, portal, astral projection, or disembodied spirit may enter the space of 100 yards in all directions of us. We ask that any demons within this vicinity that any should try to enter here be rendered deaf, dumb,

and blind. That thou would strip them of

and blind. That thou would strip them of all weapons, armor, power, illusions, and authority. That thou would bind,

and authority. That thou would bind, rebuke, and disable them from communicating or interacting with each other in any way. Remove them, sending them directly to the foot of thy cross, Jesus, son of the most high. I ask this in thy glorious and most holy name.

Amen. In the father, son, and holy spirit. Amen. Satan Clair of Aisi, pray

spirit. Amen. Satan Clair of Aisi, pray for us.

>> Thank you. Thank you for that.

>> You got to lay down a perimeter.

>> That's right.

>> You have no idea how effective that prayer is. Just a perimeter prayer.

prayer is. Just a perimeter prayer.

>> Well, I got a feeling we're about to find out. So, um, so you you you have a

find out. So, um, so you you you have a new book out, correct? Spiritual warfare

Q&A.

>> Spiritual War Q&A. It was just in it was just finishing up this summer and that came out to print about uh a month ago.

And I've got another one coming out um that I just did the final edits on that should be out in a couple months. I

think they might have a link I put in the show notes on on um generational what's called generational curse or generational spirits. It's kind of a I

generational spirits. It's kind of a I had I had a a colleague in England tell me another schol scholar, you know, who said, "I can't believe you touched that topic."

And so >> why nobody it's it's just >> we talk about that all the time and here and with my team.

>> Yeah. We got a lot of members on the team that >> Yeah.

>> that come from generational trauma that have broken the that have broken the curse, >> right? And so, but it's it's one of

>> right? And so, but it's it's one of those things that that it's like the what we call the census fidelium, the the the sense of the faithful. The

average the average guy understands there's some connection with our past.

Um, and there's some familiar garbage.

And so, but they can't put their finger on what it is. And so, there's a lot of misconceptions and bad theology. So, I

just tried to put some good theology and good biblical research on it. And um so that one I think is going to be out in about two months.

>> I'd love to talk about that right now.

Sure. I mean, what what we we call it generational trauma. That's just what we

generational trauma. That's just what we call it here. I mean, you call it generational curse.

>> Curse or spirit.

>> What do you think it is?

>> So, because we we see this and so for anybody listening, I mean, you see these you see it all over the world. You see

families of, you know, grandpa was a drug addict, right?

>> Dad was a drug addict, son's a drug addict, and his son's a drug addict. Dad

was a wife beater, son's a wife beater, that son's, you know what I mean?

>> All it could be, you know, fill in your blank. Yeah.

>> Mom was addicted to crack, son was addicted to crack, daughter's addict.

You know what I mean? And so you see this, >> you see this everywhere.

>> Yeah. And um and yeah, so I am curious.

I mean, you so you think this is from a spiritual aspect.

>> Well, yes and no. Um there's there's basically three types of curses. Um

there's there's we'll get in later into the predal. There's prednatural cursing,

the predal. There's prednatural cursing, which is a mockery of the sacraments and sacramental system uh of of of you know, the lurggical sacrament system of the Catholic faith. And so there's there's

Catholic faith. And so there's there's rituals that are that are that they do that invoke preternatural entities which we would call demons. There's natural

there's natural, pternatural, and generational be the three broadstroke types. It's like saying there's three

types. It's like saying there's three types of sailors, there's three types of marines, whatever. They're all they all

marines, whatever. They're all they all wear the same uniform, but they're they they have a different >> MOS.

>> The natural curses is the um you know um they have no efficacy. You know, some somebody says Sean Ryan's a jerk. Gives

you the finger. You know, somebody tells you you're number one. My wife says I'm a terrible driver. I drive like I'm still flying a helicopter, she says. So,

I get told I'm number one a lot, you know. So, there's no there's no agency.

know. So, there's no there's no agency.

There's no supernatural agency in that or prednatural agency. So, you know, natural curses. But then you have this

natural curses. But then you have this third category of generational. And we

have to think of generational um in the uh in the sense of inherited.

Um, you know, I just met my first billionaire a couple weeks ago on a podcast. Really nice lady. And um so

podcast. Really nice lady. And um so inherited as in inherited wealth you know so it's something that travels down the family line as part of the inheritance

>> and curse not in the active agency curse like like witches and other things doing curses that are actively invoking foreign you know deities or demons but

>> it's it it's curse is the absence of the protection and and provision that comes with blessing and so when Jesus for example in the sea of Tiberius this is what Pope Benedict likened it to the

authority structure of governance. If

you have an office, whether it's head of household as as like you and I as you know a husband and a father, a priest or a pastor or a head of an organization like this organization, you have an

obligation with that office to provide and to protect. And so the two ends of the authority structure are provision and protection. Just like Jesus at the

and protection. Just like Jesus at the Sea of Tiberius, do you love me? Feed my

lambs. Tend my sheep. So telling Peter and the church but it also applies to us and so to feed to provide um and to tend

to protect and when someone commits a grave sin in the familial construct that's that abuses that authority particularly we see it in cases of of incest in case of possession where the

incest was involved which is particularly egregious um then that family construct now lacks the provision and the protection that comes with blessing. thing and so

there's a lot of debate and I'm trying to gauge the debate. Um you know there's some some will say no God doesn't mean that anymore when he said at Sinai when

he gave the law I will visit the sins of the father upon the children right to the third and fourth generation. And

what's interesting in that visit visit, you hear that language. It's like after the show, you hear that I'm badmouthing you and and you're going to say, "I want to have to go pay old Dan a little visit." You know, it isn't like I'm

visit." You know, it isn't like I'm going to go visit with you. It's it's to exact a penalty, a punishment, make satisfaction. And so and so in the

satisfaction. And so and so in the familial construct, because the children, this is St. Thomas Aquinus

because the children are part of the the natural goods of the father, property of the father, the sins of the father, the punishment of the father can

fall upon the children. So there's two punishments for sin. The spiritual

punishment, the natural punishment. So

the n spiritual punishment, you and you alone pay for this your sins. You alone

pay for them. But the effect >> that's the spiritual punishment.

>> The spiritual the spiritual the effect of the punishment. the effect of the punishment is can pass down to your to the children in that generation. It's

inherited in that sense. And we know that logically, you know, um a truck driver um stops on his way home and and and stops over at the dude drop in and

he has has a couple boiler makers and he gets his drink on, drives home and then commits vehicular homicide. He alone

goes to jail for that sin. He alone is punished for that sin. But he loses his CDL. He's no longer living at home. Mom

CDL. He's no longer living at home. Mom

now has to go to work um to provide. He

does he's not providing and he's not there to protect them. That is what the biblical understanding of curse is. It's

the it's the privation of the protection and the and and the provision that comes with blessing.

>> It's the okay >> the effect of the sin. The sin itself that's where the misconception is. The

sin itself doesn't pass down but the effect of the sin. Oftenimes it's

repeated though because because the children do have and there is some sins are just copied. I just

>> this isn't necessarily some type of a a demon or or evil entity attached to your your genome.

>> Yes and no. Um the church fathers some some of and and some of the >> it's a reaction. It's a it's a >> it's a reaction to an action. It's it's

>> that you didn't do.

>> It's not deterministic, but the effect of the sin carries down. And to purify the family of the sin, God allows a demon or an angel to punish the sin. And

the father the the father sits in jail for his truck driving incident, his drink drive, drunk driving incident and he sees his children suffer and in that does penance and the children suffer for

the sins of the father and and offer their suffering up for the father to break it. So it's the effect of the sin

break it. So it's the effect of the sin and not the sin itself. the sin, you know, the sin itself because if I we don't generate a sin in our children, we only generate original sin that we're

all born under, right? Even original sin is a privation of the blessing and protection that comes with that original man had.

>> We have a question though. I mean, so if if the Okay, so if I if I commit a sin and I'm punished for that sin and that

the the the re the reaction for the punishment of that son of that sin carries down to my kids. I mean I and that is part of my punishment. Correct.

Part of my punishment is to have to sit there and watch >> the effects of my sins.

>> Yeah. s there's affect >> my family. Right. Right. But so what I want to ask you is I mean >> that would be a a a tre that would be a a a horrible punishment for me. It would

be worse than sitting in jail watching my kids get [ __ ] up or you know and but when I think of evil people when I think of I mean we're going to talk about people that eat babies and

cannibalism and human sacrifice and all this kind of stuff in this podcast. When

I when I think of somebody like that that that that has that, you know, that that that that could muster up the amount of evil that it takes to do something like that. I

mean, I don't think that I don't feel like that's a punishment because they don't care. They don't care about their

don't care. They don't care about their kids. They're molesting their kids.

kids. They're molesting their kids.

They're raping their kids. They're

beating their kids. They're starving

their kids, locking them in closets.

and worse, you know, and so what and so that's going to get carried down to that innocent kid and then that innocent kid is going to act the exact same way because the example that was set by his

father. Yeah. So there is there is

father. Yeah. So there is there is there's always interplay between nature, nurture, you know, and and raising children. Um some sins are going to be

children. Um some sins are going to be imitated because they see the father and they and they compound the father's wickedness. Um but this is we're talking

wickedness. Um but this is we're talking about something different here. Here

we're talking about the sin itself and the effect of the sin. And so the spiritual and the temporal effect um and that and that um even sins that have

been made satisfaction for still have a temporal effect. So on the way out I I

temporal effect. So on the way out I I get upset and I get mad and I smash up one of the cars, you know, and break the windows. I'm upset about something. Sean

windows. I'm upset about something. Sean

was disrespectful to me and I break the windows in your car. Right. And you're a good dude. you're a good Christian man

good dude. you're a good Christian man and you all right I I come back I drive back say hey Sean I'm really sorry I broke the windows in your car shake my hand I forgive you right I get back in

my car I start to drive away but you're going to say hey whoa whoa hey Dan get your checkbook out someone's got to replace the windows so that's the effect of the sin means a satisfaction needs to

be made and it can be made at times not always it's not deterministic and you're getting into incurses and freemasonic cursing is other things sometimes it isn't deterministic meaning it isn't if this happens then this will happen if

this if you do this this will happen it's all under God's providence when God God wants satisfaction made for those sins he looks for someone when we see people that are possessed for example

that come to the church for help you know we don't look at it as as the god is asking this person to be Christ to be Jesus Christ in their family to break this once for all in

their family >> so so in the satanic families then they're they're rare But they're out there. But that that's really kind of a

there. But that that's really kind of a different thing. You're getting into a

different thing. You're getting into a whole different category. The average

person on this topic of an inherited guilt. That's the technical term in the

guilt. That's the technical term in the the early church father. St. Augustine

really hammered this out when he when he hammered out the the doctrine of the original sin that we that we inherit.

Not necessarily an active poisoning, but also a privation of the original goods that God bestowed on man in his image and likeness.

>> Okay? And so we inherit original sin, but all sin's going to follow that pattern. All all sin follows that same

pattern. All all sin follows that same pattern. And the effect of that was

pattern. And the effect of that was separation from God, right? They get dispelled from the

right? They get dispelled from the garden. And then the effect on the

garden. And then the effect on the children. Cain kills uh Abel, you know,

children. Cain kills uh Abel, you know, the the two sons of Adam, the oldest son kills the second son. And so we see the the physical effect of the original sin.

I mean the spiritual effect in the sense they're separated from God completely but then the effect rolls into the family. David pattern with King David

family. David pattern with King David the same thing. He commits a grave sin with Bashibba. The child of that union

with Bashibba. The child of that union is die of that union dies and a ripple effect falls down into his family. He

does penance. God blesses the family.

>> Okay.

>> It's does that make sense?

>> Yeah. Yeah. That that makes >> no it's it's you know um and the angels whether it's a fallen angel St.

Bonaventure says that God let's why do demons God allow demons to afflict us?

St. Bonaventure good doctor of the church says um to punish sin to rebuke the sinner to educate us and to glorify God. So when we we battle these things

God. So when we we battle these things these garbages in our family um then then sin is being punished the effect of that sin the temporal effect the the

windows are being paid for so to speak.

God is get, you know, well, we're we're educated. Hey, when I I have to control

educated. Hey, when I I have to control my this or that. I have to become holier in my in my Christian life. Um he's

rebuking us, you know, he's God is showing us, hey, you're you're messing with some things that you should not mess with. And he he's rebuked us to

mess with. And he he's rebuked us to bring us back to the way of truth. And

then ultimately God is being glorified when we conquer this this sin, this vice, this this demon that is afflicting our family by God's allowance to punish

sin or we invited it in. Um then God is glorified. When you when you say, you

glorified. When you when you say, you know, when you're talking about just a couple minutes ago, you're talking about a family, you know, uh somebody that breaks the curse. You need to be I think you said you need to be Jesus Christ.

You need to break the curse for your family. I mean,

family. I mean, how I mean, I've seen the curse broken several times. Um,

several times. Um, but how do they I mean, for what you're talking about, how do they know what to break?

>> Yeah. When

>> how do they know what cycle, what curse to break?

>> Yeah. I I

>> might not even realize they're in one, >> right? We recognize patterns in our

>> right? We recognize patterns in our families. Again, I'm just you're just a

families. Again, I'm just you're just a repurposed operator and I'm just a repurposed cow scout, you know, and we we all seem to recognize patterns. Um

Jesus gave us what really stuck in my crawl and besides seeing possessed children um um and as as part of our case load um

was I think it's Mark chapter 9. Um

Jesus comes down the mountain. He's

revealed to the to the to to to the apostles. Some of the apostles go up the

apostles. Some of the apostles go up the mountain transfiguration. This is my

mountain transfiguration. This is my beloved son. Listen to him. He comes

beloved son. Listen to him. He comes

down the mountain. There's a big fight going on. And he walks into a crowd and

going on. And he walks into a crowd and there's a father with a son. And the son was manifesting and and Jesus drives the demon out. He, you

know, and he drives the demon out. And

the apostles ask him, "Why couldn't we drive it out?" The father says, "I've been trying to The apostles tried to drive it out and they couldn't. Why

couldn't we drive it out? And Jesus

looks at the apostles and the father.

Well, first he looks at the father and he says, "How long has this been happening?" The the Greek is expioen

happening?" The the Greek is expioen which means an emphatic from infancy or child youngest youngest

childhood. Um abenia from infancy in

childhood. Um abenia from infancy in Latin is a Latin translation. From his

infancy from early early childhood he's been possessed by a demon. Why couldn't

we drive it out? He said this type can only come out. This Janos we get the word generation or type can only be driven out through prayer and fasting and some some biblical transl some some versions use other

manuscripts that don't have the word fasting. It's a debated clause. It was

fasting. It's a debated clause. It was

in St. Augustine St. Jerome the the the the dwey res the Latin Vulgate most translations um still carry it depending on which manuscript they're using.

Prayer and fasting. So certain types. So

there's going to have to be a prayerful element and an engagement bodily because the pun the punishment often fits the crime. And so if if if that spirit is a

crime. And so if if if that spirit is a spirit of infidelity or impurity, then you have to militate against that with with purity, chastity, perhaps celibacy

for a time to break that. You know, I was in a session about a year ago and and the demon looks around in the room and he's just trying to get he just tries just like you know how how it works. It's all scops and he's trying to

works. It's all scops and he's trying to get in everybody's head and he looks around. He said, "There's lust in this

around. He said, "There's lust in this room. I can smell it." You know, so he's

room. I can smell it." You know, so he's giving us Now, he's only speaking because God's making him give us information. Everybody was like, "Oh my

information. Everybody was like, "Oh my gosh, is it is it you? Is it you? It's

not me." You know, uh, you know what I mean? He's just trying to get in our

mean? He's just trying to get in our headarted like exactly just trying to get in their head. But

he's he's telling us two things. He's

revealing something that we have to this team if with in union with this priest, we're gonna have to do more fasting if we want to help this person. Um, and

also this >> what does that mean? I smell lust in this room. There's an exorcism going on,

this room. There's an exorcism going on, right?

>> Who's thinking about lust?

>> Nobody, >> right?

>> But he but he could smell it on on on the people there. It could have be it could be he's just talking about the person that what we call the energamman, the the possessed person. It could be talking about that. It could be talking about her husband that was there. You

never know. But he or he could just be making stuff up just to try to get in our heads.

>> Yeah.

>> But if he said it, >> okay, then God it's because God forced it out of him.

>> So are you are you saying that you would need a an exorcist or somebody to tell you what no >> penance is for the sin that your father

>> No, no, no. You look at the defect um you know and um I I put it in the other the Libra Christian manual book. Um I I cite in that um a modern psychologist

that says if you the if you can name it you can tame it. Talking about the human emotions. If you can name the emotion of

emotions. If you can name the emotion of anger of of depression of shame you can begin to tame it in modern psychology.

Okay. And and

um by extension that is true in the spiritual life. If you can name the

spiritual life. If you can name the defect you can tame the demon that's driving the defect. So if I have in if I have I'm struggling with alcoholism.

Okay, you can name it. Now work on the virtue. What's the opposite virtue of

virtue. What's the opposite virtue of that? You know, so in this case, the

that? You know, so in this case, the demon the demon calls out lust, calls calls the team out, calls somebody out who knows. Okay, good. Then we all need

who knows. Okay, good. Then we all need to do more. We all need to to shore up our our our interior lives. We all need to everybody here needs to do some some

acts of penance and and and whoever and if the the inorgan the possessed woman is dealing with lust or if that's the entry point normally it's the he's given you something on his holding point his entry point then they got to militate

against that through chastity maybe they need to as St. Paul says live separate for a time being for a time of prayer.

And so that bodily engagement so it isn't just I'm just going to you know yeah the name of Jesus has been driving demons out from the beginning but this type only comes out through prayer and

fasting and he was talking to some of the church fathers say he's talking to the apostles. Hey you guys you guys are

the apostles. Hey you guys you guys are slacking. You guys are slacking. You

slacking. You guys are slacking. You

guys if you want to drive demons out you guys have to do more fasting. Other

church fathers say no to the dad, to the father. Hey, you got to do more penance

father. Hey, you got to do more penance if you want to drive this thing out of your out of your son and out of your family. Certain demons absolutely yield

family. Certain demons absolutely yield crumble before male authority. Certain

demons.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. When you you're So this this specific individual, they were this is this guy or a woman was married.

>> Yeah.

>> And they smell lust in the house. Well,

>> and you you had mentioned that they might want us to live separately for a while. I mean, is it is it is are you is

while. I mean, is it is it is are you is it a sin to lust over your wife?

>> Yes, >> it is.

>> Lust is a sin whether it's with your wife or not. Yeah.

>> So, it's even cleaning up the marital bed, you know, living clean, squeaky clean, you know, watching any impure impurity in in your in your marital bed.

And the in the even the marital embrace, you know, needs to be pure. And the

demon is constantly trying to corrupt that. So, but he also in this case he's

that. So, but he also in this case he's revealing something of his entry point and something of his own. If a demon gives you something, you know, when you captured guys, they were very reluctant

to give you anything. And then you had methods to get information, right?

>> And so it's kind of like a bell curve.

At first they're resistant. Then they

tell you everything you need to know exactly how you need to know. And then

if you keep punishing them, then they start lying. They start telling you what

start lying. They start telling you what they think you want to hear to stop the pain. But that there's a sweet spot in

pain. But that there's a sweet spot in interrogation. They're not going to give

interrogation. They're not going to give you anything unless they feel pain. And

so in in the exorcism session, they feel they feel tremendous pain. They're being

spiritually waterboarded.

>> What does pain feel like to them?

>> So the demons are disembodied spirits.

Angels and demons are demons are just fallen angels. They're not a separate

fallen angels. They're not a separate class. They're they're they're they have

class. They're they're they're they have a they're they were um created at the beginning on day two according to many of the fathers of the church St. Thomas

Aquinas and and Dianisis and others St.

Bonaventure Gregory.

Um God separates out the light from the darkness. Um and separating the light

darkness. Um and separating the light from the darkness, he creates the angels and he creates them. They're disembodied

spirits. They have no bodies. And so um um and they were given a vision of themselves.

Um the botific vision they see God, they see themselves. The theologians call it

see themselves. The theologians call it three instances, but they have an instant where they see God. They were

infused with with complete knowledge of God, their mission to to serve um everything requisite to that mission. They got a

complete download um where they fit. And

there's nine choirs of of angels in three hierarchies.

And they they they had a requisite mission whether they're going to be an angel in charge of a territory or an angel in charge of Shawn Ryan, an angel in charge of of of you know weather ter

you know whatever whatever their mission and they all have an orientation towards through they saw salvation history culminating in God becoming human. We

were celebrating the soon in Christmas.

God taking on human flesh. And and they were given a choice and they had to sacrifice something something um some good some perfection

in their service of God who would become incarnate.

the the Lucifer Satan says non-s servium I cannot serve a god that takes a form lower than me a meatsack and rebels a third of the angels according to some speculation but speculations by doctors

of the church and guys a lot smarter than me and holier than me saints um that a third of the angels fell with them but they're still disembodied they keep they it's like you you keep your

gear you know you you stop becoming you're not a seal anymore but you're working now in special ops or CIA You know what I mean? You keep your gear. If I went and become I went and

gear. If I went and become I went and flew for CIA, I would keep I keep my same gear. I have my same gloves. I keep

same gear. I have my same gloves. I keep

my same everything. You know, you just kind of shift into a different form. See

these guys kept their gear. They kept

what they were issued. But now they work and militate against it. But they don't have bodies. They don't have bodies. And

have bodies. They don't have bodies. And

so when a demon, when I talk about a manifestation, technically speaking, the only thing a demon possesses is a person's body. And

so they're they they manifest through the appropriation of the bodily senses.

And so so part of their torment is feeling it in the body of the individual. Part of the torment is the

individual. Part of the torment is the is the is the um they are pure they're pure intellect. Okay? And they will. So

pure intellect. Okay? And they will. So

part of it is the pain that is being brought upon them by the church by the by the exorcist that they experience um pain uh interiorly and also bodily through the through the possessed

person. But just the commands of the

person. But just the commands of the church, the authority of the command of the exorcist, they experience pain as if they're waterborn and they have psychological psychological limits.

There's even a strategy that we we'll use in in session where the we'll have one one priest will pray exorcism um and another priest will pray another minor exorcism or read from scripture.

And so a demon can they can look at you or me and know everything they need to know. Everything that was everything

know. Everything that was everything about us, every single thing. There's no

reasoning. There's no okay I know I've met this. I've I know I know three seals

met this. I've I know I know three seals and I know a green beret and I know kind of what they do and they have some difference. So I have to learn I have to

difference. So I have to learn I have to figure you out by abstraction, right? I

know what a dog's eye looks like. I know

what a bird's eye looks like. So from

those two things I can figure out what a human eye does, you know? So by

abstraction, the demon has a complete download. He knows he knows for

download. He knows he knows for according to his mission in that original creation. Exactly. And so when

original creation. Exactly. And so when when when so but he can only focus he has he does have intellectual I mean uh um he has to focus on one thing at a time perfectly intently. And so when the

priest who's in charge is praying this prayer of exorcism, he has to by obedience, he has to, he's being bound by the authority of the church to listen to him and take that beating. And

another priest is over here um saying other exorcism prayers, you'll see him look here, they'll look back, look here, look back, and it fractures them. It it

causes tremendous pain. Plus the

physical pain they feel in the body.

just seeing the priest, he'll take his stole, put it on the neck of the of the possessed person, which is going back to the the vulnerable spot in the the base

of the neck. Um where the in Genesis 3:15, you will strike at um you will I will put enemy between you and the

woman, between her seed and you you will strike at her heel and she will crush your head.

>> This is so weird. I just brought this.

Is that is that Genesis 315?

>> 3:15. I literally just brought this up in the last interview.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I never bring up scripture because I don't know it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's like the only one that I actually >> Yeah. They called the proto Yeah.

>> Yeah. They called the proto Yeah.

>> So that was that a I mean now we're going down a rabbit hole. Here we go.

>> You know what is that? Is that the first prophecy of Jesus Christ?

>> Yeah. They call it the protoeangelon.

The first gospel the the first prophecy.

And so and so you see I I cited you from the Latin um which says she will crush the head of the serpent pointing to the woman who will be with the redeemer.

Right? And we see we see in the common experience of exorcist is the efficacy and the power of the Virgin Mary in in exorcism. It's I can just tell you it's

exorcism. It's I can just tell you it's game over when when she shows up. Game

over. It's done.

>> Why? Why is that?

>> Because of this prophecy. I will put enmity between you and her. And that

emity means total complete opposition.

She was preserved from the stain of every sin, her original sin and personal sin. She was preserved from the state of

sin. She was preserved from the state of sin and there is no there is nothing in her. She was preserved from that

her. She was preserved from that original sin. And so she has a place

original sin. And so she has a place that that is far her humanity is a perfect humanity. And so the demon has

perfect humanity. And so the demon has no place and has no foothold in her like he has in everybody else through through generational uh original sin, our own personal sins. Even if we were even if

personal sins. Even if we were even if you're baptized today and all sin and and a punishment of sin is wiped out, you go commit sins. You've now get attachments and you just given permissions to the demon. But the Latin

version says >> so original sin is generational.

>> It it is the it is the arctypal generational sin. Arctypo in the sense

generational sin. Arctypo in the sense of um the baptism washes you.

>> Baptism washes out.

>> Okay.

>> It's the arctypal sin and every sin follows it follows its pattern. But it

this archetypal in the sense that each one inherits it and there's a spiritual and a temporal effect. And so part of the Genesis 3:15 the Latin translation

is she will crush the head. The Greek

translation very clearly he will crush the head. So obviously the the the

the head. So obviously the the the primary emphasis is on Christ but there's an illusion to a woman that would be with the redeemer. Right? And

then the Greek or the Hebrew is vague.

It could be he, she, they. But we see this cooperation with the mother of the redeemer and with the redeemer and crushing the head of the serpent. And so

in exorcism, they'll put the the priest will put his stool right on the neck or a crucifix and he'll place that right on the neck cause tremendous pain or

exsuleates. This goes back to Tortullian

exsuleates. This goes back to Tortullian um 2 century talks about exorcist blowing.

You know, and one of the Eastern rituals of exorcism, the priest exsuess and breathes on them just like God breathed over the chaotic waters. You know, the

bishop every year in a Catholic dascese breathe over the waters that they will use for baptism to those coming into the church. This water and spirit rebirth,

church. This water and spirit rebirth, going back to creation, invoking that's ritual, you know, that's ritual. And so

and so that and and a lot of it goes back to it all goes back really to the garden in Genesis 3:15. It all goes back everything is like the same old shoot them up, right?

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Why is fasting so important? Are you

trying to weaken the body or is it is it purifying the body?

>> It's an it, you know, um it it's part of purifying the body. It's freeing the body up for for prayer. Um the body the bodily senses again we have to our our

bodily senses are um they make us fickle they make us you get you get angry you know they they they can affect our emotions. So fasting is prayer of the

emotions. So fasting is prayer of the body. Um one of the early church fathers

body. Um one of the early church fathers was named uh um it was um St. Cyprien

was his name of Carthage. He he has a one of his quotes and I I I pou I printed this out because it's so true.

He said and under intense persecution he said um let us commend ourselves to to vigils fasting and prayers in common um

vigils fasting and prayer. So doing

vigils take getting up early staying up late you know spending inconvenient yourself in prayer fasting engaging in the body and then um and prayers and

private prayer. This is these are the

private prayer. This is these are the ancient weapons. He says, "These are our

ancient weapons. He says, "These are our armaments, our spiritual armaments, our defenses. This is the body armor that we

defenses. This is the body armor that we put on." So fasting, it helps free the

put on." So fasting, it helps free the soul up. There's something very powerful

soul up. There's something very powerful about it that frees the soul up for for for prayer, makes the prayer more efficacious. I was just reading this

efficacious. I was just reading this morning a quote from um I think it was St. John Chrysism or St. Augustine.

St. John Chrysism or St. Augustine.

These are fourth century guys, like 400, okay? He said uh that you have five

okay? He said uh that you have five bodily senses and when you when you fast, you start putting your bodily senses two against one. He says kind of

like I know you you do you do some BJJ, you know, I'm on the receiving end. I'm

still a white belt. Whenever I'm rolling with guys, they're beating the crap out of me.

>> Hey, I'm I don't do BJJ. I suck.

>> I suck really bad at it.

>> I Yeah, I do.

>> They'll lie to you and be like, "Oh, yeah. I [ __ ] train every day."

yeah. I [ __ ] train every day."

>> No, no, I suck at it. But they always tell you two against one. If I my two hands are are again, you know, are stronger against one of your one of your, you know, your leg or your arm, you got to go two against one. So, this

is I was thinking about that when I was reading this quote about two against one, you know, dividing the senses and the the St. Paul says, you know, um, you

know, um, the things I want to do, I don't do. What I don't want to, I do, I

don't do. What I don't want to, I do, I do. Who will save me from this body of

do. Who will save me from this body of death? Part of the thanks be to God

death? Part of the thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. He says

but part of the effect of original sin they call it concupisence but it's just this tendency towards sin tendency towards towards um this concupisence

literally means like this lunging pouncing grasping lustful desire for something. And so that's constantly in

something. And so that's constantly in us. We have to constantly wage war

us. We have to constantly wage war against that. You know, when Jesus said

against that. You know, when Jesus said um um you know, when the bride, he was accused of not fasting. Why don't your John you know the disciples of John the Baptist fast? Why don't you fast? He

Baptist fast? Why don't you fast? He

says, "Well, the bridegroom when he was with them, it's not right that they should fast because we're in the party season right now, right? I'm here, but when the bridegroom is gone, when they take him away, then they will fast." He

didn't say when the bridegroom is gone and it fits into their spirituality, then they will fast. He says then they will fast. This is why we fast on on

will fast. This is why we fast on on specifically on Fridays.

Most traditional Catholics don't eat meat on Fridays and they do other forms of fasting on Fridays because that was the day that they took the Lord from us on on Good Friday.

But it but it it frees it's just part of spiritual combat. It's part of it's part

spiritual combat. It's part of it's part of not just spiritual combat should be part of our spiritual life to make small little sacrif it teaches you to make small little sacrifices. giving up meat when I first started doing it and I

started doing it when I started getting involved 10 12 years ago in exorcism everybody that in our circles were nobody ate meat on Friday and I was out there chowing down and I was like

okay started giving me it's hard >> it's hard for a guy from Ohio >> you know what I mean I like meat >> you know I get it and so it's hard you know and you can give me all the incredible burgers in the world but it

ain't the same and I don't even desire meat until Friday so those little prompting But if you can, but those fastings help you to control and you're taking away cuz the enemy is always constantly tempting us through the body.

But you can if you can pull the body out.

>> Okay. Okay. So this is it's it's essentially a discipline exercise.

>> It's a discipline. Yeah. It's a

discipline. And in fact, what's interesting is our um we have a protocol, Libra prayer regiment protocol. Um it's a 30-day regiment. You

protocol. Um it's a 30-day regiment. You

pray certain prayers at 612 and 6. You

pray um >> why 612 and 6? Um that's when the evangelist is is prayed in the church and you hear bells going off Catholic church's bells at 6:12 and 6 that's when the church three times a day prays the

anggeles which the angel of the lord declared unto Mary and she conceived by the holy spirit um and so the enunciation from the angel Gabriel to

the virgin Mary um that Christ was born at that moment when he announces to her and she says yes she says yes to consents to this Christ is conceiving

through the Holy Spirit. And so that moment, God is now incarnate, even in embriionic form, he is now on earth in physical form. So you're announcing

physical form. So you're announcing that, broadcasting that with the church universal around the world at 6:00, 6:12, and 6. This also goes back to the

Old Testament um and and certain prayers, the Shama Israel, greater are you, oh Lord, God of Israel. Um three

times a day, they would pray this prayer. Um, and this is just a a a

prayer. Um, and this is just a a a Christian version of that. The the the full in the fullness of time, God sent his son. That ver the Christian version

his son. That ver the Christian version of that is announcing with into the cosmos with the church uniting that. So

that 612 and six is ex it's very powerful. And we we've had guys I've had

powerful. And we we've had guys I've had guys that are just doing the discipline.

There's a media fast. So no media social media except for absolutely necessary for your work, your vocation. Um and and and and just that alone um we've seen

obsessions break low-level spiritual obsessions which are on the pathway to possession are breaking from that because it gives because a demon the demon is ultimately is an instrument of

chaos. They create nothing. All they can

chaos. They create nothing. All they can do is they they are instruments of chaos whether it's interiorly or whether it's on our streets in the big cities.

They're instruments of chaos. And so

whenever you impose order, the imposition of order is as effective. We

found in our experience as the the the prayers of exorcism themselves or the minor ex or deliverance prayers. Just

that imposition of order is half the battle.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. I' I've seen people delivered from um we had a seminarian friend of mine's an exorcist. It's the one that's been

an exorcist. It's the one that's been training me how to be I I will never be more than you know what an uk is. No.

the UK in judo is the that's the guy that that gets thrown so the other guy can learn how to throw. I am I am God's uk man and I and so so so yeah. So I

just I get thrown all the time and uh but uh um he had a he had a um um some he was working with a seminarian that was struggling with impurity addiction

um pornography and they were going to kick him out of the seminary and I said no let's put him on let's put him on a regimen. puts him on the regimen

regimen. puts him on the regimen um with a modification a little stricter within six weeks it lifted. I've had

people again struggling with with pornography addiction. They've been

pornography addiction. They've been struggling with maybe they suffered a sexual trauma as a child and they fall into addiction, sexual addictions. Just

that discipline um I' I've seen many people break that break that addiction, addiction to alcohol and other things because of the the demon is constantly driving the interior self with these

emotions. uh the shame driving you to

emotions. uh the shame driving you to your lower emotions. Um and so manifest and working militating back with the body if you can start small little sacrifices, little things can help you

start to recognize the movement like you know I was I was over here as a cab scout yet I mean we're looking we my battlefield view was radically different than yours. So I'm over here looking.

than yours. So I'm over here looking.

I'm looking at numbers of troops. I'm

looking at movements. I see dust over here. I see the bigger picture unless I

here. I see the bigger picture unless I engage, you know. But you you you saw the world totally differently.

>> Your your spatial and situational awareness is radically different than mine, you know, >> not through optics or anything else.

Yours is you're right here and you're watching. And so fasting helps you to

watching. And so fasting helps you to increase that spatial awareness, that situational awareness, and you start to recognize the clean from the unclean. So

I mean when you're talking about I mean it sounds like you're back to pornography. If you're addicted to

pornography. If you're addicted to pornography then that is a that is you are creating an entrance for a demon to enter. Correct. Right. And so when when

enter. Correct. Right. And so when when a demon is entering I mean is it one act and they're in? You watch porn one time demon's waiting. I'm in. Usually or is

demon's waiting. I'm in. Usually or is that or is it or is it the addiction has to snowball? Usually it's and again a

to snowball? Usually it's and again a lot of it's situation life what situation in your life it's you know um where you're at in your life etc. Um,

not that the sin is not the sin, but um, I mean, if you're a you're a pastor or you're a bishop and it wouldn't take much to get the demon's attention if

you're looking at pornography, you know, but normally it's it's it's not necessarily the pornography, it's the psychological obsession because a psychological obsession is an open door

to a spiritual oppression or even obsession. So you have so just that that

obsession. So you have so just that that that psych that woundedness that psychological obsession whether that obsession is over a drink over women over men you know over a certain type of

sex um any addiction any psychological obsession obsession over um even even even a good thing not a good thing um but obsession over uh the death of a

loved one if if if it's not brought to Christ um obsession over psy any psychological woundedness attracts the demon It it it attracts a demon.

>> It's like in a in the >> So, it could take a while for it to >> It might take a while. Yeah. I mean,

it's sufficient. Now, um theologically, and this is the experience of the church and the exorcist particularly, but one mortal sin, one grave sin is sufficient

for for possession. But God in his mercy is so merciful to us. He he keeps giving us chances again and again. But at some point when he knows that we're not going

to pull away from the sin unless we suffer some, you know, then you know, you know, if you're walking down the street and a child or your child or a child is is walking along and they got a

lollipop and they just they don't pay attention. That's what kids do, you

attention. That's what kids do, you know, and then and they walk out in the street and here comes a car. You're

going to do what you got to do. You're

going to grab that arm and you know >> you would hurt that child. There was

not, you know, I would say, "Okay, Sean, would you ever Is there ever a situation that you think that you would you can see yourself hurting deliberately hurting a child?"

>> No.

>> No. No.

>> How about if a bus is getting ready to run them over?

>> Yes. You might you might dive on to them, knock them out of the way. They

might get they might skin up their arm a little bit, but they're going to pick up their candy, >> wipe it off, and >> keep moving on. So, so sometimes God allows us to have a little we we have we

do suffer a little bit until we come back to help us, you know. Does that

make sense?

>> Yeah.

>> Maybe it's a bad analogy, but >> I mean it's a it's a he's teaching us a lesson.

>> He's teaching us a Yeah.

>> trying to >> Yeah. Or Yeah. So, so, so in effect

>> Yeah. Or Yeah. So, so, so in effect then, yeah, one sin is one grave sin is sufficient, but it's that's not the case. Our experience is there's there's

case. Our experience is there's there's multiple sins and largely. So sins are like wounds.

>> Sins are wounds.

>> And more the more wounds you have, the more entry points.

>> Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. Death by a thousand cuts. It could be. Sometimes

thousand cuts. It could be. Sometimes

it's one big mortal.

>> Yeah. Um for whatever reason, you woke up today and ate stupid soup and went to a prostitute.

Yeah, that might that might be enough.

>> Okay. But now we're talking about possession. But if you do commit a grave

possession. But if you do commit a grave act, the demon that led you to that grave act will also be present to you

until you you renounce, confess, and get rid of it. So let's say let's say we have a veil on right now. We can't see any of this stuff.

>> Yeah.

>> And and we lift the veil and and we're we we we can see the spiritual realm.

>> What does this look like in here right now?

>> Yeah. Um

>> how many demons? How many angels? What

is one that's half attached that's trying to get in through multiple sin wounds? What is it? What does I mean in

wounds? What is it? What does I mean in your mind? What does it look like?

your mind? What does it look like?

>> Well, not to sound depressing or anything, but uh Father Gabriel Mor was the famous exorcist the modern age. He

brought back exorcism in a time when liberalism and modernism had so penetrated the Catholic Church that no there was very few exorcists. Maybe

there was like 12 or I did the edits on on his official biography a couple years ago. I mean there was like 17 exorcists

ago. I mean there was like 17 exorcists 12 exorcists United States at one time.

It was terrible. They're supposed to have one in every dascese. So one

session he was in, he asked the he asked the demon, "How many are you?" And the demon answered, "If you could see our numbers, we would darken the sun."

Yeah. So, but there's a spiritual combat taking place as well. The angels are battling for us, the good angels, right?

the angels and the saints. Of course,

our Lord, you know, um that's the the title of God, the do Sabo, the Lord, the God Almighty, the God of armies. This is

the God that intercedes for for us, always intercedes for Israel and now us, the church, and does battle with the enemy on our behalf and with us, you know. But but yeah, I I think if we

know. But but yeah, I I think if we could see it, I think we I think if you could we could hear it, you'd hear a lot of swords drawn, right?

>> You think that's what it is? Do you

think it's swords and shields and >> well >> that kind of battle or is it something that we just you know >> Well, swords and shields are the best thing that we can that we can Yeah, there's a scene. This is probably a

horrible but I'm a big Vondam fan. You

know, some of his movies are really cheesy, but there was one movie, I forget which one it was, and he walks into this place of ancient ancient battle before he goes and fights. I

think it was the Kumat. I forget which one. and and he could hear sword

one. and and he could hear sword battling and ninjas fighting and he could see flashes over here and you know and uh so I I I think in the spiritual

realm we would hear that but it's not physical it's it's like St. Paul says we tear we we we we tear down arguments. We

tear down strongholds. It's part of spiritual combat is is taking back the you know the demon has no right to us but we have per we give him permissions through our sin. And so it's taking those permissions back. It's the

enforcing of authority when the demon usurps authority. He has no authority to

usurps authority. He has no authority to be here right. Um taking that authority back that we have according to the office that we have um within the

church. um that that's those are some of

church. um that that's those are some of the arguments and and sometimes um you know the invoking again um the precious blood of Jesus the crown of thorns the

sword of St. Michael um these images you're projecting images. It's it's this is how the demons communicate with us. I

mean the angels as well. It's through

it's it's projection. It's it's it's through illum technically illumination but it in effect it's like projection >> but projecting thoughts into our mind >> right and we know this to be true.

>> Mhm. You know, I mean, you get these some sometimes you get this random bizarre thought like that's not me. You

know, you know, sometimes like again seeing this play out in session, you know, you go into a session and um and after the session, we always do an after action review, right? The priest's like,

"All right, what's going you guys got what you guys, you know, just like, okay, everybody has an assignment." It's

very what what what drew me to it. Not

every every model is a little different.

There's some, you know, there's there's some models that are just cowboys and I would never do it that way. It's too

it's not safe. The way we do it through Father Riper in our group is it's it's very systematic. It's very militaristic.

very systematic. It's very militaristic.

Somebody's in charge of perimeter.

Somebody's in charge of his structure.

You're praying for the priest. You're

praying for this person. You're watching

the priest. You're watching his hands.

So in a court of law, you can you'll never never not see his hands. So in a court of law, you can testify that his hands were always in front of him. He

never touched her cuz the demon I can't tell you how many times the person comes out of the session and says the father rape me did he molest me the demon just starts projecting these images that's

what he does so he can take um the dab set that's embedded into our imagination right our memories and yours are different than mine we both will have memories there's if if if we hear a call

if we hear a Muslim call to prayer right now both of us are going to trigger in a certain way right I mean because we have memories >> um other people be like that's a weird You know, but we So, so all those

memories, all of our emotions, all of our pasts, the demon has has access and he can manipulate those and he can put a spin on it and project uh project an

image of it and to try to draw you out of your armor, draw you down out of the intellect, the higher faculty into the emotions and the instincts. And this is where he draws us out. And so that's how

he does. He'll project it. He'll and

he does. He'll project it. He'll and

he'll project shame. You know, if if uh you were molested by a a guy with a Fu Manchu mustache and and and wore a John Deere ball cap and and and you know,

certain cologne, and all you have to do is put two or three of those two of those things together in any combination, project the memory of that past abuse and suddenly you're in a

lower state. You're now in the emo,

lower state. You're now in the emo, you're now living in the shame of the emotions. And so he and that's when he

emotions. And so he and that's when he starts, okay, pounding you away.

Pounding away at you. You're scum.

You're no good. You need to go self-medicating. Whatever you're

self-medicating. Whatever you're self-medic, he doesn't really care if it's booze, if it's drugs, if it's sex, if it's, you know, but he so that so the demons project, the angels do, too. They

project good inspirations to us to try to to try to tempt us in a in a sense to to draw us away from the sin. But that's

where the battle's taking place. It's at

that level. Wow. You you get a general rule. Um

rule. Um if you're getting a negative thought about somebody, it's probably diabolic, right? I hate this guy. This guy's

right? I hate this guy. This guy's

probably thinking this, you know, it's probably it's probably the demon just trying to cause some kind of division.

Just But so part of prayer and fasting helps you to do battle with that.

>> I was talking to a friend of mine. Um,

we worked some cases together and now he's he's he's stopped active work and he's living as a hermit. I mean,

and no, I mean, a shed in upstate New York um with his religious order, but he's a hermit. So, all he does is pray all day. Um, and and

all day. Um, and and >> do you think that's a good thing?

>> Yeah, >> you do.

>> Oh, yeah. That's what's saving the world. Those guys, the monastic, the

world. Those guys, the monastic, the consecrated virgins, those are the ones that are holding up in the through their prayer.

>> That's interesting. I don't see >> Yeah, the world's functional. Why aren't

they working with blind kids? Why aren't

they working with schools? Why don't

they go to hospitals?

>> But it's like um in the book of Genesis, there's this battle of Amalcch. And if

you recall the battle, Joshua was down in the battlefield and Moses sat there and he raised his arm and held his staff in prayer, right? And every time his kept his arms up, they were victorious.

And then as his he got tired, his arms dropped and then the guys in the battlefield would lose the fight. And uh

and so um I think with Aaron and her, they sat next to him and held his arms up. And so and it said they mowed down

up. And so and it said they mowed down Joshua mowed down the enemy that day.

And the early church fathers saw that as a type of prayer, intercessory prayer, a type of Christ on the cross, a type of the priest holding up the Eucharist. But

it's the monastic sisters, the consecrated virgins. Those are the real

consecrated virgins. Those are the real those are the real deep operators. Those

are the dev grew. Those are the seal team six of the mystical body. They're

the ones holding up holding up Christ projecting to the cosmos, you know, holding up the church symbolized by the priest holding up so

that their prayers now we, you and I in the battlefield in the act of life.

So my somebody sent me a video this week of um the installation of a poor Clare.

This is interesting and it really ties in to to all of the cosmology and the demons and these other things. And poor

Claire is um they they follow the life St. Francis and and and Claire of Aisi

St. Francis and and and Claire of Aisi and they live completely cloistered barefoot. Okay. They sleep on straw

barefoot. Okay. They sleep on straw beds. And I gave a presentation to them

beds. And I gave a presentation to them not long ago. Amazing women, beautiful women from age 20 to age 80. Beautiful

women. These are heavy hitters. So, in

the part of the ceremony, which is interesting, they um when they're she's taken into the to make her her initial vows, um she's dressed in a wedding

dress, hair's down, beautiful, and she's presented as a bride of Christ.

And then they do part of the ceremony.

Then they go back into a back room. They

cut her hair off or most of it. They put

on her veil, her habit, and she comes out in the religious habit barefoot.

And and now she's and she, you know, she's now no longer this person. She's

the bride of Christ. And this is what they wear. And these these women are

they wear. And these these women are doing penance and prayer for the world.

Carmelites, her Claire's, Franciscan hermits, and others. the there. So, this

is it's the unseen warfare that's taking place that nobody sees. So, I'm watching this and you know, I'm a tough guy, you know what I mean? I'm I'm I'm your basic, you know, repress your emotions

regular guy. And I'm watching this and

regular guy. And I'm watching this and I'm and I'm I'm getting teeyed. I'm

like, what's going on? But I realize I just watched the graduation. I just

watched um the mystical body, the the spiritual combat version of of you guys when you would hold up that that log, you know, and all you were together and laying on the ground and and under the

water and drowning and all this other crazy stuff you guys had to do for your initiation. I just watched a seal be

initiation. I just watched a seal be born, you know.

>> Interesting. Yeah.

>> Wow. I just saw I mean these these are Apache helicopters and I know unless you see it in action I can tell you you can say hey and I'm I was a Cobra guy right when you hear the Apaches coming it's a

good feeling right >> Mhm. When I saw that, I was like, "Yeah,

>> Mhm. When I saw that, I was like, "Yeah, there's there's an Apache." Because

they're offering their bodies >> as virgins, their virginal bodies as brides of Christ offering and sacrifice. And these women, I was

and sacrifice. And these women, I was talking to some of the Carmelites are under the order.

>> How many of these are there? How many?

>> There's pockets all over the world. This

particular monastery that I'm talking about, there's about 25 of them. um

another monastery of Carmealites um that I work closely with. There's about 12 of them. There's pockets all over the

them. There's pockets all over the world. Nobody knows. They're they're

world. Nobody knows. They're they're

just hidden. You just don't see them.

The enemy knows them. The enemy knows them, you know.

>> Interesting.

>> Yeah. But there but it's that that that virginal. So when you combine virginal

virginal. So when you combine virginal purity and a bridal a spiritually bridal relationship with with Christ symbolizing the church suffering for

souls, suffering for humanity.

That's that's the real com. This is this is the the patches. This is the the the B-52s. Whenever we would hear the B-52s,

B-52s. Whenever we would hear the B-52s, it was like, >> "Yes, sir. You guys keep going. Make it

easy for us."

Mhm.

>> But that's that's a spiritual that's that's the deeper spiritual combat people don't don't really understand.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> When you were talking about the angels and demons were I think you said created on did we say created on day two?

>> Yeah.

>> Why would why would God create demons?

Why would he create that?

>> Yeah. So there's there's there's two misconceptions. One is God created

misconceptions. One is God created demons and created angels. And then

there's another one that says the demons are I think it's Genesis chapter 6 or chapter 10 the Nefali and Nefal Nefali they were it said the sons of God saw

that the sons of the daughters of men were attractive and they had they had relations with them and created a race of giants. And so going back to a 300 BC

of giants. And so going back to a 300 BC book of Enoch that gets re kind of repurposed and co cab coalistic mystical Judaism in in the in the middle ages and

a little past the reformation time period it started this became the demons are the product of angels who have sex with women right >> but >> the nephilim

>> the nephilim sorry yeah the nephilim but that's that you know St. Augustine St.

Christoone St. John St. Thomas Aquinus

that's impossible. They have no bodies.

Okay, that doesn't mean they can't rape.

Okay, but that but they can't procreate.

They can't procreate. So the the the the developed understanding again the church has been cogitating this for 2,000 years. We see the common understanding

years. We see the common understanding is day two.

God separates light from the darkness.

It's an angel is created. Every angel is created good. They're created with a

created good. They're created with a mission. You're going to be a SEAL.

mission. You're going to be a SEAL.

You're going to be a cobra pilot. You're

going to be a cook. You're going to work in intel. You're going to work You're

in intel. You're going to work You're going to be a tanker. I don't want to be a tanker. I don't care. You're going to

a tanker. I don't care. You're going to be a tanker and I'm not going to serve you. You know, so they were given a

you. You know, so they were given a mission. They knew everything about

mission. They knew everything about their mission accordingly. Um and those who those who rejected with Lucifer um fell down to the earth, but they were

created good. And at that point in the

created good. And at that point in the rejection of God because they don't have the body, you know how many times you make a mistake cuz you're hungry or hangry and you're like, "Ah, I shouldn't have I shouldn't have said it to that

guy." You go, "Hey, man. I'm sorry. I

guy." You go, "Hey, man. I'm sorry. I

you know, they they their decision because they had a perfect understanding and a perfect intellect. Their decision

was permanent. It was forever." And so they became fallen angels or demons. And

then the good angels that said yes to God, they became glorified angels. So we

have glorified and fallen angels. And

that that's what's happening cosmically in the spiritual battle.

We think from Revelation um 12 said a third of the angels fell, right? In this

cosmic battle of the St. Michael,

there's the ark of the covenant who was also the woman, right? who is the woman from Genesis 3.

>> A third of the angels fell, >> right? In Revelation 12, it says a third

>> right? In Revelation 12, it says a third of the angels were thrown from the sky.

And so, and so that's how now now how many is that? I don't know if we know that Jesus himself says that alludes to guardian angels, right? Um, do not

despise one of these little ones for their angels in heaven um with the father. You know what I mean? So each of

father. You know what I mean? So each of us have a has a guardian angel and how many billions have been present of humans on earth and there's nine choirs

you know totally uh you know so you're talking myriads and myriads is what the kind of the language of scripture how many so we don't know but a third of whatever a third of a myriad of a myriad

is that's a lot of fallen angels >> so they're they're outnumbered two to one >> they're outnumbered two to one but they cheat >> it doesn't feel like it >> it doesn't feel like it does it I'll >> tell you that much.

>> Well, because we're not praying. We're

not living our Christian faith.

>> Because that old saying that we use is that angels go where they're asked.

>> We as in humanity.

>> Humanity. Yeah. Angels go where they're asked, demons go where they're not resisted. We're not offering any

resisted. We're not offering any resistance.

You know, we're not offering resistance.

We're not praying. We're losing our faith as Christians. We're becoming

post-Christian.

And to be post-Christian is to be neopagan. Really is what we're seeing

neopagan. Really is what we're seeing that we're seeing this play out in real time.

>> What do you mean? Well, remember Obama, President Obama?

>> Mhm.

>> He said the United States is no longer the United States is post-Christian is what he said. And so nature and

paternature and super nature, it they avoid, right? And so as Christianity

avoid, right? And so as Christianity weakens, pre-Christianity is now gaining regaining strength.

And so and so the the the we're seeing a rise in paganism like we say the old gods you know that that what you guys did you know we pilot you know but that

clear hold build right that applies to you and me our families you know you got to clear the evil out you got to clear the garbage out you got to hold the ground that you took you go into a village and you clear it then you bring

in the Marines right to hold it but then you got to build it you got to expand it you got to you got to start making alliances, you have to you can't just cuz you clear it, they're coming back.

You clear it, you hold it, they're coming back. You got to build it. You

coming back. You got to build it. You

got to build a bigger infrastructure.

You got to you got to hold that ground by building society. If you look at Western civilization, it's it was clear hold built and it built for centuries.

And now it's it's absurd to think that it's not they're not going to come back and try to reclaim the ground.

Wow, that's a damn good point. Let's go

back to the Nephilim real quick. So,

okay. Are you saying that you don't believe that the that the fallen angels bred with >> no >> humans?

>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

>> So, is the Nephilim just a complete just a >> No. [ __ ]

>> No. [ __ ] >> Now, so you have the book of Enoch was written which is not scripture and it had it had some Gnostic um you know

tendencies in it which is um dualistic view of good evil, good God, bad god, matter and spirit. Matter is bad, the body's bad, the spirit. So that's

narcissism very very simply put. But um

it had some elements of that in it but it's it's not scripture. It has some historical elements in it but a lot of it's not it's not reliable for theology per se. it might be a lot of some

per se. it might be a lot of some historical things. And so this came

historical things. And so this came through that and this is where I think most of it comes in the modern time. And

so and you hear the ones who mostly are putting it out are are people that came out of the occult are people that were possessed because this is what the demon is telling them. We're a special race.

>> We're half breeds. We have power of you.

We're different than those angels up in the sky. They're just in. We are

the sky. They're just in. We are

special. No, they're not. They were cast from the earth for their disobedience.

cast from the heavens to the earth for the disobedience. So, so in the early

the disobedience. So, so in the early church you had a couple of fathers. This

is again we have to kind of look at okay here's what scripture says and how did the church receive it. She had a couple fathers Tortullian alluded to that that that could be possible by the time you get to

Augustine around 400 in the in the west and then St. John Christome in the east and then it develops from there. They if

we started to get our understanding of angels and demons more and then our understanding that no fallen angel a fallen angel is a fallen angel and angel is the same they are the same uh class

so to speak one is fallen one is glorified. So um and then and then you

glorified. So um and then and then you know again by the fourth century they're saying no this is this is false to say that a demon can procreate and they cannot it goes against their very nature. You know, we go to a funeral and

nature. You know, we go to a funeral and someone will say, "Well, grandma is an angel in heaven." No, I'm sorry. She's

not. You know what I mean? She's not an angel in heaven. If she's in heaven, praise God. If not, she's in she's in

praise God. If not, she's in she's in purgatory on her way to heaven purifying herself of all the of her of her attachments on her way to heaven or she's damned. Those are the only three

she's damned. Those are the only three realities. Either saved or not, you

realities. Either saved or not, you know, and so she can't have a it's a metaphysical impossibility for me to become an angel. And so and so angels um

didn't procreate with so so with a human. So what we see that um and

human. So what we see that um and there's there's what Augustine argues is look the sons of Seth, right? Cain

killed Abel. Adam and Eve had a third child. Seth who was the a righteous son

child. Seth who was the a righteous son who called on the name of the Lord. That

phrase calling on the name of the Lord is a is a trigger of watching the bloodline of of the Messiah, right? And

so Augustine and then you look at some of the other signals from scripture, the line of Cain, the wicked line of Cain that practiced polygamy that practiced

that evil entered in. Um through the line of Cain, the wicked son, we see the sons of the sons of of God or the line of Seth,

ultimately the line of Christ, and the sons of men are the earthly, you know, the those who militate against the people of God. And so they've drew

various conclusions. This is this this

various conclusions. This is this this this is what happens when good families allow their children to to have to to marry godless people. That's one of the

things Augustine says.

>> So but it's try they trace they they traced it back globall you know the bigger cosmic picture to the bloodline of Jesus Christ.

>> So but but there's a lot of misunderstanding but no that that that would that's a metaphysical and physical impossibility for an angel to have sex.

to inseminate. Let me let me pass that because they they can there are incubus incubi and succubi that do that that do sexually molest but that's not the same

as insemination. What we're talking

as insemination. What we're talking about here is insemination and creating a a being. Now can they have ritualistic ceremonies and the byproducts of those ritualistic ceremonies are are to try to

produce this bloodline or that bloodline or whatever. Yeah. But that's not that's

or whatever. Yeah. But that's not that's not nephilim. That's not the creation of

not nephilim. That's not the creation of >> that would be some type of a possession within humanity to to to create a mass of people that breed together for whatever reason they want. And if you

think of it, if if that if we know this to be true that you, you know, that we're familiar with, if that was the case and that you're creating, you're taking possessed people that are

following, you know, false religions, demonic religions, and having and drawing out the bloodline of where the Messiah will come from, the Davidic bloodline, the Messia messianic

bloodline. And if you and if all if we

bloodline. And if you and if all if we start intermingling all these the wicked with the good right it's not a good thing. And so and so it wasn't even in

thing. And so and so it wasn't even in scripture it was like something it was they created this race of giants. What

were the giants men of renown right?

Well physical who knows spiritual David I mean Goliath was a giant he had four brothers of giants. Now by giant you know

of giants. Now by giant you know you know Goliath was dependent on the the the Hebrew he was six feet some 66

and the I think it was the one of the one one of the one of the ancient versions I think it was the the Latin was 6'6 and the Greek he was like 9 foot >> you know 9 foot tall so big guys.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> What so what is the book of Enoch? It

is.

>> So it says that in there.

>> Yeah.

>> You say it's not factual. So why is anybody referenced? And the one, you

anybody referenced? And the one, you know, just being a podcaster, the only people that really talk about Enoch are people that are very very

conspiratorial, >> right? Yeah. So it's not it's not

>> right? Yeah. So it's not it's not scripture. It's it's a non-scriptural

scripture. It's it's a non-scriptural book. There's there was Enoch. There was

book. There's there was Enoch. There was

the life of Moses. In the time of Christ, there were various gospels. Um

the gospel of St. Thomas, you know, um there was the gospel of of Judas and Judas's like wicked, you know, the new

Judas is now the good guy, you know. Um

and so there's various other writings that were what we would call apocryphal or even just historical, you know. So

and and and sometimes they they say things that yeah, we know that to be that's that might be true and historically we know this to be true. to affirm to other places. But this is this is a little

places. But this is this is a little more mystical and it gets it got it got from my understanding um it was that it

was more during it it was picked up by the cobalistic kind of mystical gnostic more modern Judaism and then some some groups conspiritual

you know some conspiracy guys use it and other things but again I I just stick to scripture and what do the what do the church fathers say about it >> right >> cuz it it's kind of like the guys right after you know Yeah.

>> 100 years from now. Um, and we're trying to investigate what was it like to be on on the seals. Well, let's look to the guys that did it and let's look to the the next generation after that and what

they received and how they understood it, you know.

>> Gotcha. Gotcha.

>> So, it's not scripture. It's just a it's just a, you know, a a book from Judaism in that time period. Okay. Yeah.

>> Well, Dan, let's take a quick break.

>> Okay. And then uh when we come back, we'll actually get into the outline.

>> No, you're fine.

>> Perfect.

>> Yeah.

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Doctor, we're back from the break and uh I forgot to do a couple things at the beginning of the interview. I think

>> I feel like I forgot that last time, too. But

too. But >> so, you know, everybody gets a gift.

>> Yeah, the gummies.

>> I love it.

>> Vigilance gummy bears. Demons hate those things but >> I'm going to get them blessed.

>> Yeah, I'm going to get them blessed and hand them out.

>> Yeah.

>> And uh >> Thank you.

>> And then we still have Patreon. You

know, that's our community that we have online. It's a subscription uh platform.

online. It's a subscription uh platform.

And so we give them the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. This

is a pretty good one. This is from Lewis Melo.

Mr. Schneider, how should someone who lived a sinful or undisiplined life in their youth go about forming a personal prayer rule?

What practices would you recommend to help nurture repentance, spiritual healing, and steady growth in virtue while avoiding discouragement or doubt?

Yeah, that's a that's a huge one. That's

that's our society right now. That's a

and the fact that you're even asking the question is a is is fantastic. It's that

desire. Um working on virtues. Start

militating against whatever your previous defects were. Um minimize your your your social media so so so images don't get projected back to draw you back into that that way of thinking,

that time of your life when you were farthest from God. Um small things of repentance and penance. um you know, giving up meat on Fridays, doing some fasting, maybe maybe doing some hard

fasting, you know, um um I like to do, um 24-hour fasting, so I have dinner and I won't eat anything um all day for the next day. Do that two or three days a

next day. Do that two or three days a week to kind of train your body in the lower parts of your flesh to to that are trying to constantly meditate and draw you back into that life. Prayer is

extremely important because it's through prayer that we start meditating on scripture, reading 15 minutes of scripture every day. For me, I pray I pray three or four rosaries a day. Um,

if you have a rosary, it's very powerful. But 15 to 30 minutes of

powerful. But 15 to 30 minutes of meditating on scripture because what that does, it starts reprogramming your thinking. All those images in your in

thinking. All those images in your in your mind um in your memory starts getting pushed out and replaced with with images of of Christ um or the truth

that comes from from scripture. So

prayer, meditation, a discipline prayer life. Um get a copy of

life. Um get a copy of um this book, Deliverance Prayers for the Ley. That's Father Riper. I gave you a

Ley. That's Father Riper. I gave you a copy, Sean. Get a copy of that and and

copy, Sean. Get a copy of that and and uh and start praying some of the perimeter prayers every day. There's

certain prayers to be praying, spiritual warfare prayers every day to drive the demon away u on a daily basis. But

having a set time is very important. I'm

going to get up at the same time every day. you know this is the Jordan

day. you know this is the Jordan Peterson get up and make your bed that discipline is very important so um to the extent that you spent that your previous life and dissipation now put as

much effort into growing in holiness thank you thank you all right let's dig into this outline so origins and nature of spiritual beings I

know we kind of talked a little bit about that you know that that the angels were created on the second day what were they created or were They were they always there with them?

>> No. Created.

>> They were created.

>> There's only one one uncreated >> being and that's the triune God.

>> Mhm. Mhm.

>> The unmoved mover. The you know so so only God is uncreated from the beginning. Remember in John's gospel in

beginning. Remember in John's gospel in the beginning in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. So God, father, son, holy spirit, the trinity. This this is the only uncreated. So the the the angels

only uncreated. So the the the angels fallen or glorified are still created.

They're created beings. They're

creatures. They're unique. Each is their own species, right? So, so which is that's we can't even understand that.

You know, a camel, the difference between a camel and a grasshopper is pretty great, but they're still part of the same species of creature animal the animal kingdom.

>> Each each angel is his own species.

>> So, I've had I've had people say, "Well, I'm a demonologist." And I I was like, "Okay." like can you narrow it down to

"Okay." like can you narrow it down to say one class or you know I mean one type I mean it's impossible even getting into angelology and and understanding

you can't understand here's here's here's why I think the nephilim is where it's a distraction because you can't understand the demon unless you understand the angel what they were

created for you you know when when they bank tellers when they you in the old days before they had machines they would never let their fingers touch a fake bill when they trained them. So when

they finally get to a fake one, they're like, I know what a good one feels like.

So we can So we can only understand demons in light of what they were created for. And if you understand the

created for. And if you understand the natural law that they were created for as this this pernal entity created with a specific task whether it was the

seraraphim the topus the highest choir that stand you know the burning ones we see in and um that that before the the throne of God uh the cherubam that that

the Isaiah and Ezekiel is the that hold up God you know the thrones if they're in that choir or all the way down closest to us. You can't understand what

the demons doing unless you understand the the who they were at their creation, what their mission was. Okay. Okay. What

what otherwise? Sorry. If they're if they're created this, what they try to do is they try to say we're special beings. We're we're different than them

beings. We're we're different than them and you have no idea how to deal with us. We're a mystery. No, you're not a

us. We're a mystery. No, you're not a mystery. In fact, the demon is the most

mystery. In fact, the demon is the most um regulated entity in the cosmos.

strictly regulated by God. When he

manifests, it's because God is allowing it to happen.

>> Why do you say the cosmos? I'm just

curious.

>> Because I think that's the word that >> Why would they be in the cosmos if nobody's out there?

>> I think Well, cosmos, I'm talking about the space, the the spiritual space around us, not necessarily between here

and the moon. by a cosmic cosmic or cosmology. It's the creation of of

cosmology. It's the creation of of God's created order, right? A

cosmologist >> is is a woman that puts hair back in order. So cosmology is the created order

order. So cosmology is the created order of God. So we can't see it. It's it's

of God. So we can't see it. It's it's

it's invisible. Okay.

>> Yeah. Like in the creed we see, I believe in all things visible and invisible.

>> What do you think what do you think God was doing before the universe was created? Do you ever think about that? I

created? Do you ever think about that? I

mean, if he created everything and he was always there, then what was he doing? I mean, we don't even know what

doing? I mean, we don't even know what he's doing now, but what was he, you know what where is he hanging out? What's he

doing? Who's he I mean, >> that's a pretty lonely existence.

>> I don't think so. Only if he was >> Yeah, it could be great.

>> Yeah. I mean, he was, you know, God is three, >> right? But one one God, three persons.

>> right? But one one God, three persons.

And so living in a state of of I don't know. I mean, uh, do you ever think

know. I mean, uh, do you ever think about that?

>> No.

>> Why not?

>> I don't know that. Now, now I'm going to be pondering what was God doing? But

>> how long did it take him to go, >> I'm going to make some humans.

>> I'm going to make I'm going to make some humans that will glorify me and really piss me off.

>> Yeah. No kidding.

>> Yeah. So, so, so the the the again some of the church fathers talk about processions that that God is in a

continual state of a procession of love between the the love of the father and the love of of the son and the the love of the father and the son um and the

holy you know bringing forth in this procession of love divine procession of bringing about bringing forth the holy spirit in this co-equal What's

interesting though, um you talk about how the ancient the ancient demons um one of the things that we'll do and and part of our catechetical session is or

you can make him the priest will make him do it during during an exorcism read the Aanian creed and it and and you can see this diagram you can Google it the

Aanian creed the the father the son the holy spirit is is not and it's this and you know and then athanasius just wrote a creed um about the trinity, the inner

life of the trinity and understanding that and so that causes torment to the demon. It causes torment to the demon

demon. It causes torment to the demon when when you force their host to read that through the through the eyes that they appropriating. It causes torment to

they appropriating. It causes torment to see the triune God. But the all they can do at best is to try to distort the image us. And so so what God was doing

image us. And so so what God was doing at the beginning, I don't know. I think

he was an eternal self-emanation of glory and love.

And I don't know what that spiritual party looked like, but >> we're going to find out someday, God willing.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I hope so. What is the what is the difference between demons and ghosts?

>> So, when we talk about ghosts, um >> we were talking about this encounter I had off camera on the in the cabin, >> right? Yeah. So, I saw that and I

>> right? Yeah. So, I saw that and I thought, "Oh, man. Sean's messing with fire." Yeah. Um,

fire." Yeah. Um,

>> I wasn't messing with anything. I was

not messing with anything. You made your right decision.

>> Tim was there.

>> Were you?

>> Tim was there.

>> Yeah. But you know what? When you know it, you know it's time to bug out.

>> That's what we did. We didn't wait.

>> No.

>> As soon as we heard that, it was cut the cameras. Get everything out of here.

cameras. Get everything out of here.

Let's go back to the house. I want to see the footage because And then and then we pulled the footage up and there was a static on every footstep.

>> Wow. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So, um, when we're talking about a ghost, we're talking technically about a purgative soul. A soul that is, uh, that

purgative soul. A soul that is, uh, that has died that is also disembodied, but is a soul of a human that's in the process of purggation for the, you know,

of of of cleansing, of purification, um, on the way to heaven. It's a saved soul, but it's a soul in purgatory. That

would be when we talk about a ghost.

It's a and it's allowed again very strictly by God to allowed to go back to make to ask for prayer to make satisfaction for some sin

that they committed. Um a ghost that would be a ghost, a purgative soul. A

demon um is um a fallen angel that's infesting the place usually because some grave sin was there. Either somebody did some satanic ritual to invoke the

presence um um to to to um to to draw the demon there um or a grave sin was took place there um abortion, murder, whatever. And that the demon is now

whatever. And that the demon is now saying this is my space. I drove this guy to kill his wife here. I'm going to chill here because this is my space.

>> What do you think I What do you think we encountered? Do you

have any idea? Um, you can tell that they they track differently, by the way.

Um, >> let me give full context here just for the audience. So, we did the we did

the audience. So, we did the we did this, it was actually a survival challenge. We came back, we we rented

challenge. We came back, we we rented this World War II cabin, AR Airbnb, out in the woods, very old place. And um, we did a debrief there about the challenge.

And in the middle of the debrief, while we were filming, we heard footsteps upstairs. It was a loft.

upstairs. It was a loft.

Nobody was up there. We knew nobody was up there before when we before when we were setting up. We had a lot of problems with the electrical outlets and stuff. Signs would like a sign wouldn't

stuff. Signs would like a sign wouldn't light up and then and then a camera would work if we plugged it in or like all kinds of weird stuff going on with the electrical. But yeah, when we heard

the electrical. But yeah, when we heard the footsteps and all of us heard it, uh we cut the cameras, cleaned everything up, took off, pulled the footage,

reviewed it, and every single footstep there's static.

You can still hear the footsteps too if I remember right. But um and there's no static anywhere else. So then I had an encounter there about a year or two prior. We me and my wife stayed there.

prior. We me and my wife stayed there.

We heard knocking. I heard knocking on the walls, but I chocked it up to a dream. And then I pulled the reviews,

dream. And then I pulled the reviews, the Airbnb reviews, and it's >> don't knock on the walls, they knock back. Don't come after dark. This place

back. Don't come after dark. This place

has a mind of its own. So,

>> I mean, it's haunted. There's It's

haunted.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Something's in there.

>> Something's in there. Yeah.

>> Yeah. you can kind of track by um number one the reaction to prayer once you know um if it's if it's um

um if it gets better with prayer it's it's probably and again the the chances are statistically in my experience anyway and I think this would be the common experience of most exorcist and those who work closely with them the

common experience would be most likely it's infestation of place by a demon um so who knows what um so you think that would have and a demon >> probably I mean because because it's

very rare that you would see a purgative soul come back. Now it does happen.

They're asking for prayer. Um but but the reaction to prayer usually makes it go away. Um it gets better. It's not

go away. Um it gets better. It's not

destructive. I mean if you hear knocking on the walls and it knocks back in a strange cabin at night, you're going to you're going to get a fear fight orflight response. So that that alone

orflight response. So that that alone isn't enough to tell you if it's diabolic or not. But but if if you if there's if it's messing with the electrical um if it's messing with um

you know some of the fruit, if it's messing if it's causing division, often times some when when you have an infestation of place, there's a lot of family fighting going on. There's a lot of um I've had a lot of these

encounters. I mean, not a lot of them,

encounters. I mean, not a lot of them, but you know, >> we're on the front lines of where the Civil War happened right here.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, this whole town. And so

there's ghost tours and all kinds of stuff going on all over the place out here. But I mean I just another example.

here. But I mean I just another example.

I remember we when we when me and my wife moved up here, we were looking for a place went to this place way out in the middle of nowhere.

There's cemetery on it. And I was like, I'm >> I don't want somebody else's cemetery on my on my land.

>> I'm with you on that. And um so we I'm I was like I I don't even know why we're going to look at this place. Like we're

we're not doing I'm not doing not going to buy a place with somebody else's bodies buried in the ground. Yeah.

>> And from a family that's not ours.

>> Chances are in this part of the world there's a free Masonic symbol on about every other grave tomb. Anyway,

>> she was like, "Well, maybe it's it's probably all the way on the other side of the property. It was uh I don't know 30 40 acres. Maybe get there. is right

out the kitchen window. You see it? And

there's a there is a dilap dilapated slave quarters.

>> Yeah.

>> Right next to the cemetery. And they

tell us that. And my wife goes, "Don't worry. They they they" She goes, "If

worry. They they they" She goes, "If this place was haunted," she goes, "It would they would communicate through the electric."

electric." >> Yeah. Boom. The lights all went off.

>> Yeah. Boom. The lights all went off.

>> Yeah. on and off like three or four times right when she >> and I was like, "You mean like that?"

>> Yeah.

>> And um and to be honest with you, we actually wound up put an offer in on the place and I went over there with a had a cup of coffee. I was like, "Look, I'll come out here, talk to you guys, but if

you freak me out, I will bulldoze all your asses all the way over to the on the side of the but I was." So, anyways, I'm just saying like this stuff has happened to me, you know, and it sounds

woo woo to a lot of people, but it's it's happened to me. It's a lot of It's happened to a lot of people.

>> Yeah. But I mean, you some people are not as sensitive to it. Some people

might are more naturally sensitive to it than others. I think on a on a spiritual

than others. I think on a on a spiritual level you're more sensitive to this stuff, but but also as an operator, you're like your head's on a swivel all the time.

>> Mhm.

>> You can't beat that out of you. You

can't not see things, you know, and so so yeah, I think you're better off um you know, we deal with it all the time.

Now, sometimes people say, I had this house wasn't, you know, was was haunted and then I moved in with my I got my baby daddy and then that was haunted.

Then I moved in with my sister and then her trailer was haunted and then I got an apartment and that was haunted. Like,

hey, there's a pattern here. You know,

it's not the place, it's you.

>> You're the one that's got got somebody following you. But there are actual

following you. But there are actual places you can, you know, I think we talked about on the last show, the devil on Brownsville Road was was an EP was a >> I think it was in New American or American one of the magazines described

as I think they're coming out with a movie. This was a place where there was

movie. This was a place where there was an Indian barrel site. I mean a a slaughter, Native American slaughter.

There's some slaughter some some settlers or something and then later it became an abortuary and then later this house became um um a local witch buys

it, you know, witchcraft. So these

people buy it and it was just a I mean like amal horror stuff, walls bleeding and everything else >> and so um they ended up >> the walls bleeding

>> I think. So I you know I I I've never personally seen that but I know it's happened. Um like crazy stuff like on

happened. Um like crazy stuff like on the other >> like blood just comes >> Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen it. So, but

>> Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen it. So, but

but this house had crazy stuff going on and they fought it out and um they went 2 years and the priest that was assigned there um had a had a woman that was

supposedly seeing what's going on behind the scenes and was giving this guy a a bunch of bad intel. And so he never went he said, "You can't go into this place.

You have to do it from out here." And

they ended up calling in an expert, another exorcist from from another dascese who was a a very known by the book guy and got rid of it in about 2 or

3 months versus like it it lingered for for a couple years, but it was nasty. So

So they're claiming that place. They're

saying, "Hey, this is my place. We were

here first. I claimed this." Demons are very territorial.

>> So the a demon will attach itself to a human >> and or a a residence, a location, a venue. It has to do with the It has to

venue. It has to do with the It has to do with the the his assignment, his inclination towards that assignment, what he was created for. If he was created to preserve marriage um and the sanctity of marriage, he's going to

start militating now against marriage and and and towards homosexuality and other things. So, he's just going to

other things. So, he's just going to start working the opposite. He was there to guard the space or guard this territory or working with the guy that's in charge of this territory. He's now

going to take claim that territory. So I

probably a dumb question, but what happens if you just bulldoze the house over?

>> Oh, he doesn't care about the structure.

He's It's the space.

>> It's an actual perimeter.

>> It's the perimeter.

>> Yeah, it's the perimeter.

>> Do you can >> That's why I pray the perimeter prayer.

I mean, I pray that that's a prayer you should pray every day for your families.

Praying that prayer. You're laying

you're laying down in Constantino wire.

You're making it hard to get in.

>> You pray that every day >> at least twice a day.

>> What other What other prayers do you pray every day?

>> Um there's prayers of consecration. I

pray consecrate um um all my actions on my temporal goods to the blessed mother.

Um prayer of St. um St. Patrick's

breastplate um invocation of heavenly host. I've got I pray multiple rosaries

host. I've got I pray multiple rosaries a day. I'm I'm I'm constantly trying to

a day. I'm I'm I'm constantly trying to put lead downrange and and string up the the the concertina wire, you know. So,

um plus I try to do mental prayer every day, try to go to mass I try to go to mass every day. Um,

>> do you think this conversation that we're having does anything in the spiritual realm?

>> Absolutely.

>> Yeah. What does it do?

>> Well, an operator's best your best um one of your greatest friends is silence.

You know, we own the night, right? So,

so to pop a, you know, even if it's a temporary uh flare, you know, a flash, uh, it brings some light out and people

see the good and they recognize. Again,

you shouldn't watch something like this or get into this um, out of curiosity.

It should be it should be to help you grow in your spiritual life and become a better Christian. That's the whole point

better Christian. That's the whole point is how to overcome evil in your own life. You know

life. You know >> and u because curiosity itself can be an open door you know St. Augustine said

that's not good for me that >> well knowing knowing it doing it for the right reasons. You you want to learn

right reasons. You you want to learn about this >> um you know I I you you know I want to join the seals because >> I want to understand >> I want the patch. I want the I want the what's a trident,

>> you know, and I want the coolness, >> but I don't want to get shot at. You

mean you mean I gotta go days without sleep and I can't? No. No. I want the cool stuff. No. Spiritual combat is just

cool stuff. No. Spiritual combat is just a grind. It's just it's the grind of of

a grind. It's just it's the grind of of basic soldiering, you know. But you got to do it for the right. You have you have to you have to understand what your enem is doing. You're not going to you never went into battle not knowing who

you're up against. At least having a good idea. So we don't want to open that

good idea. So we don't want to open that door through curiosity. It's that's not safe. St. St. Augustine said the demon

safe. St. St. Augustine said the demon three things attract the demon to us.

The first thing he said is an unholy curiosity. Basically, if you go looking

curiosity. Basically, if you go looking for the devil, he'll find you. So you

have to just You can't be an unhealthy curiosity versus a studiosity.

How can I help this? How can this help me grow closer to Christ? The demon in spiritual combat is tertiary. Primary

focus is Jesus Christ. We have to stay focused on him. And secondary, what are the obstacles um that keep me from getting closer to being united with Christ? And then

finally, what is the demon doing? You

know, so the intel only helps us understand what's blocking us. If he if he if I'm hitting his radar for something, he thinks I'm vulnerable here, then I better work on that. This

is why I started pathetically in a very bad way learning judo and jiu-jitsu a year ago, cuz I really wanted to understand cuz I'm a striker. I'm a

boxer and I wanted to learn this whole different mentality of combat sports which I'm not good at.

>> You know, like I said, I'm the I am I'm a prenal white belt, but learning how to feel pressure, counter pressure, how to look at multiple moves after, you know,

you've you've done it as well. So,

that's spiritual combat. It's judo in many I mean, it's still striking, don't get me wrong. It's MMA, but um but but that curiosity, if you're doing it, I'm I'm learning it so I can become a better

Christian, a better father, a better husband, you know.

>> Mhm. Then it's then you're moving into studiosity.

Excuse me.

Would demons attach themselves to things? Would they attach themselves to

things? Would they attach themselves to um an antique, >> a chest, a chair, >> a gun?

um stuff like that, >> right? Yeah, they can objects um

>> right? Yeah, they can objects um we the the technical term would be um um secondary causality. They would um they

secondary causality. They would um they would they would they would allow OB they use objects um to bear their their

their power and not unlike blessed holy water, a blessed crucifix. When a when a crucifix or rosary or scapular is

blessed, it bears the blessing of Christ through his church. And so it's a sacramental. It carries the power of the

sacramental. It carries the power of the church. I've had cases where like we

church. I've had cases where like we just can't quite figure it out and I'll put two cups of holy water. Now, this is off session though, just doing katakesus. One's blessed holy one's

katakesus. One's blessed holy one's blessed holy water, one is not blessed.

And tell me which one. Was any are these different every time? Yeah, this one's hotter. They can feel the difference

hotter. They can feel the difference because it's it carries that blessing of Christ to the church. So, the demon works off that same again, the demon everything he does is a complete

counterfeit and uh um mockery and reversal of an ape of um what is true and good and pure. What we see in the

sacramental system, in our case, the sacramental system of of blessings, you know, crucifixes. So, so the demon's

know, crucifixes. So, so the demon's going to do the opposite. They're going

to use sage. they're going to do. They

have all sorts of other other objects that they um um use the agency of immaterial things, meaning like we use oils, salts, metals that the church

says, "Yes, this is a sacramental." And

so the demons do that. So Chucky dolls seen those.

>> Yeah.

>> For for whatever reason. I don't know.

>> What do you mean you've seen them? Seen

them where?

>> Well, I had three ca three different cases that had Chucky dolls in some version of a Chucky doll involved.

What are the cases?

>> Um, one of them was um, one of one of them, um, it was a a single mom and she just reported and

other people reported. So, it's not just someone tells me cuz who knows, but these are verified, but she was a single mom and she um um went into the daughter that she was she was pretty heavily

afflicted. She went into the daughter's

afflicted. She went into the daughter's bedroom was cleaning up and she would hear the the Chucky doll was, you know, a little doll with the pull string saying things off script like, "Why are you leaving me here alone? Come in here

and get me."

>> Holy cow.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. That'll that'll put the fear of God in you.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So,

>> what do you do with an object like that?

Um, >> you know, I real quick, I mean, my my head security guy who we're both mutual friends with, I don't want to say his

name on here, but he we talk about this kind of stuff quite often. And, uh, he had brought up I had I mean, you see all this stuff in here. This is all from

>> my previous life or guests of mine.

>> The epitoamental stuff to me. Ed Calderon gave me this statue of a Santa Mera. Are you familiar with that?

>> He gave me a Santa Muera that he um he took out of a a taxi that was smuggling drugs into the United States. It was a wax figure, cracked it in half full of

heroin. There's a whole trunk full of

heroin. There's a whole trunk full of these things. So he gave me one um

these things. So he gave me one um without the heroin of course and and like put it back together is like is a is is a is a keepsake, you know, for the

studio.

>> It's right up there. I put a rosary around it.

>> Yeah.

>> It's next up.

>> Yeah.

>> You know that stuff up there. He says I need to get rid of that thing. It's

actually slipped my mind since he told me that until we're just having this exact conversation. Why? What do you

exact conversation. Why? What do you think?

>> I'm going to quote a famous rapper, MC Hammer. It's hammer time. I I would get

Hammer. It's hammer time. I I would get rid of it.

>> Really?

>> Because these things act, they carry the curse that came with them. They carry

the curse. They also use statues of the Virgin Mary and smuggle drugs over. I

had a lady, church lady, saw this beautiful statue. Well, she thought, she

beautiful statue. Well, she thought, she wanted to rescue it from a pawn shop, brings it home. She said, "Everything, ever since I brought that into my home, um there's just been strife and problems." And I said, 'Well, I looked.

I said, 'What does that have a big thing? And I described it. She's like,

thing? And I described it. She's like,

'Yeah. I said, 'Ye, that was probably used to smuggle drugs across the Mexican border to get rid of it. So, bless,

burn, and bury. I've got a I put the formula in and I'm not plugging books.

I'm just telling you. I I'll give you the formula. I'll cut and paste it for

the formula. I'll cut and paste it for you. Destroy it, render it inoperable.

you. Destroy it, render it inoperable.

Pray pray a couple of prayers of that God would decommission the evil from it, and smash it, break it up, and then sprinkle it into uh running water or bury it. I would put it into running

bury it. I would put it into running water and let it flush away. Okay.

>> We've seen everything from uh cursed rosaries, you know, they're they're satanic rosaries that that are out there. Yeah. Yeah. There's they're

there. Yeah. Yeah. There's they're

coming from China and Satanists are are are cursing them and shipping them to to parishes, you know, give these out to the kids. They're the glow-in-the-dark

the kids. They're the glow-in-the-dark ones. Every Catholic kid had

ones. Every Catholic kid had glow-in-the-dark rosaries, you know, and so and so we had a we had some come to a parish once and they just showed up like, "Oh, this is great. They're

samples of these rosaries." And uh church lady tried to then she realized there satanic symbols on them. So she

she put them into her fireplace and tried to burn them and it smoked her house out. Are you serious?

house out. Are you serious?

>> Yeah. So I am I'm the the dirty Jobs guy, you know. So like, oh, okay, let Dan get rid of it. You know, now we've learned over the years, no, you get rid of it. Well, in this case, the pastor

of it. Well, in this case, the pastor should have been with me, but or if somebody has some object from grandpa, some garbage or whatever, they they destroy it. We'll we'll walk them

destroy it. We'll we'll walk them through it. this this case I I destroyed

through it. this this case I I destroyed it. So I take it take it out to a remote

it. So I take it take it out to a remote place going to bless burn and bury throw it and so I I I had it burning and right when I started lighting it up four dogs came out of the out of the

brushes and surrounded me and this is before the Shawn Ryan show.

I didn't I didn't have my uh my P365 Legion. I had I had something. It didn't

Legion. I had I had something. It didn't

matter what I had. It was sitting in in my in my Jeep and I didn't and they surrounded me. I couldn't get to it

surrounded me. I couldn't get to it between me and the fire. So, I had a shovel and I was like, "All right, game on. Four-on-one. I guess this is it."

on. Four-on-one. I guess this is it."

You know, and then I start to rear back and I was going to attack the most aggressive one. As soon as I reared

aggressive one. As soon as I reared back, this lady black from head to toe just comes walking out of the out of the out of the I'm in the middle of nowhere.

She walks walking out. The dogs, she doesn't say a word. She just watches me the whole time and they just quietly get in behind her and they just walk off.

And those things burnt for for it took forever to burn.

>> Wow. I had a cursed Barbie doll once.

Yeah. Lady uh lady came in their daughter was really afflicted teenage girl and um and she had this unh unhealthy relationship with a with an uncle or something and he had given her

this Barbie doll that she was really attached to. And you have to watch this

attached to. And you have to watch this is the thing. It's the attachment.

That's where the demon is. He's always

in the attachment. You talk about fasting and breaking the attachment to meat once in a while, the attachment a rock falls in your shoe, breaking the attachment to comfortable feet, you

know, walking with that for a half hour or so, offering it up for your family, whatever. So, breaking that that

whatever. So, breaking that that attachment to this object. So, um that's what that's how you know where the demon is. Um so, the daughter was really

is. Um so, the daughter was really attached to it and and and she had chronic problems with her right leg. She

couldn't figure it out. And the parents are like, "We know it's something wicked, but we can't figure it out." We

said, "Okay, give us give us the Barbie doll." Said, "Okay." So, she gives us

doll." Said, "Okay." So, she gives us the Barbie doll. Okay.

>> Why did they say, "Give us the barbie doll." Did they Did they observe her and

doll." Did they Did they observe her and see what she was most attached to?

>> They knew that the uncle had given her Barbie doll. That was a little creepy.

Barbie doll. That was a little creepy.

And the uncle was a little creepy.

>> And so, we just said, "Okay, then get rid of it." We just said, "What? Tell me

about the Barbie doll." "Oh, you can't have it." "Okay, then get rid of it." I

have it." "Okay, then get rid of it." I

mean, it's it's that blunt. There's no

nice. It's like, "Oh, really? You're

attached to it? Give it to me. We're

gonna get rid of it for you. I want to see it." So, she brings it. They bring

see it." So, she brings it. They bring

it and it's covered with paintings and symbols. Barbie doll dressed like, you

symbols. Barbie doll dressed like, you know, kind of like u a cult clothing and missing a right leg

>> and just young girls. So, we take it take it to a remote place and I we dig a hole and I you I'm looking around cuz

you know I just don't I just don't need to be seen. I'm just I'm trying to get rid of this thing and and do the right thing for these people again and our now that we've matured in our you guys learn

stuff over time in combat too and you learn how to kick doors in better than you did before. So, it's the same thing.

So, we we've learned now we would say no dad you got you're in charge Dad. you're

the head of household. You burn it. You

let this garbage in. You get rid of it.

So anyway, we're burning it and I look around and there's nobody from I can't I'm in the middle of nowhere and all of a sudden I start to light it and

I get this smell of just skunk and flesh. It's gross. And I look and from

flesh. It's gross. And I look and from from me to there is a a carcass of a rotting skunk just like and I didn't see it. I didn't smell. didn't see it. And

it. I didn't smell. didn't see it. And

this was a a skunk rotting and it was it was foul. So we light it up just light

was foul. So we light it up just light up this Barbie doll this big and it burnt I'm not kidding you like three tractor tires green and black.

>> Wow.

>> So you talk about it carries just like this carries the blessings of Christ in the church. Cursed objects work in the

the church. Cursed objects work in the same way. So if you want we can get rid

same way. So if you want we can get rid of that.

>> Should we get rid of it here or do I need to >> We can get rid of it.

>> Take it to somebody else's property.

>> Yeah. Who's your biggest enemy? Give him

a gift.

>> I got a lot of them.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, we get get rid of here. Take it to the river and break it, dispose of it. I'll give you the formula to pray. And uh and I think that's part of it. We go through part of our protocol is identify we've let these

things into our house and we don't even know why. They're cute, but some of the

know why. They're cute, but some of the I, you know, I've had cases where they're they're um they're um like

Indian descent, you know, from India.

and um somebody gives them this native, you know, indigenous garment that they wear and ever since they've gotten that garment, it's it's just been nothing but problems in their house.

>> So, it was it was cursed. Who knows?

>> Have you ever heard of a Masonic Bible?

>> Mhm.

>> A friend of mine got one of those passed down to him from his family.

>> Yeah. We'll put it I I'll quote another I'll quote another rapper. No, it's not a rapper. It's more of a souls guy.

a rapper. It's more of a souls guy.

Burn, baby. Burn. Yeah, you got >> what is a Masonic Bible?

>> Well, that was that was um that was was it Jefferson that that >> I don't know anything about the Mason that >> I know that the that the Catholic church here is surrounded by a Masonic temple.

>> I went to mass there this morning.

>> You did?

>> Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. So, so this this was a Bible that they kind of they kind of put together. Um but yeah, and you have that

together. Um but yeah, and you have that the aprons, the rings, the swords, and other things. All that regalia needs to

other things. All that regalia needs to be needs to be disposed of. There's been

I forget how many.

>> So, what is the Masonic Bible?

>> It is. Um

>> what's the difference?

>> Um it is is I don't know if there's a whole lot of huge differences. Um okay.

Yeah. Yeah. I just know when we get them, we burn them >> because it's not a Christian Bible. I

mean, it might have some books of the Bible in there and all that, but but um but yeah, it's it's what they it's what they give you when you reach a certain level.

>> Okay.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. What is the >> Scoffield, by the way, was was a Freemason. The Scoffield

Freemason. The Scoffield >> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. You wouldn't believe the the amount of Freemasonry, especially in this part of the world, but >> it seems to be pretty strong, right?

>> It's pretty strong here. Yeah.

Completely antithetical. Their motto is against crossing crown. It's just um there's been I forget how many popes, multiple popes and encyclicals um

written by popes denouncing um you know you cannot be Catholic and a freemason.

Why? Against crossing crown part of the one of their ceremonies is to is to trample on a tiara representing the papal crown.

It's luciferian.

So it's you know luciferian is a philosophy if you will. It's secular

humanist in its philosophy.

Um, it's syncratistic. They trace

themselves back to to, you know, Solomon and the building of the temple and the Freemasons that were here and um and these other legends, but they also bring in other elements of of the of different

religions into it as well. Well, I mean, what is the point of the Masons? I mean,

we see all the symbols, the pyramids, the one eye, the, you know, the I mean, I don't really know much about it, but you know, um, as a matter of fact, I mean, the last time I was in Washington

DC, I just was looking at Google Earth, try to find a place to eat, and I noticed all the roads.

>> Yeah.

>> line up into like pyramids, triangles, or diamonds. And it's

or diamonds. And it's >> it's creepy. Somebody just let me >> right where the shooter was. He said one of my one of my scout buddies he he said

he see were the were the that that those 42 National Guard people were shot one's dead or two the female was killed the >> yeah I'm I'm not sure

>> and uh he said do you see it and I was like no and then he drew on there and the the streets he drew he he could see at least a satanic star right there too.

So others have made those observations.

Yeah. Well, did you think of it? What 13

of our of our founders of the of the of the signers of the Constitution were Freemasons.

>> So, >> is that a good thing?

>> No.

>> I mean, >> it's not a good thing. Yeah.

>> So, what is the point? What is what is what are the Freemasons?

>> They are it's it's a a fraternal organization. It's for men. Um they have

organization. It's for men. Um they have female um auxiliaries and stuff. Job

solders and the the u um Eastern Star and others. Um but it's basically was

and others. Um but it's basically was started um postreformation um Scotland, London and you know UK some

in Germany um around that same 1700 time period um that would create a fraternal organization a secret brotherhood and they have their own rituals and

processes they work through um they have um you know the Freemasons if you think of it were the were um behind if you ever seen the the um

the movie about the cristto war in Mexico >> they were behind that um if you weren't a Freemason you didn't get a job in the government uh at that time in Mexico um

persecuting the church freemason you you'll see some you know Jay-Z and famous rappers are in Prince Hall Freemasonry so they're they're behind you know they're they're actually so you

have you have your African-American Freemasonry that that is that is some say related to the the Black Panthers or some radical and then you've got those

that are um that are behind some of the white supremacy and other things as well. So or at least co-associated with

well. So or at least co-associated with so it's it's an organization but they have a brotherhood um based upon u going through these common rituals but again

think of that against cross and crown it's it's against it's it's it's against the church and it's against right order

and so they're going to ve say that's not true but and there's different layers there's different layers lower levels are you know it's it's brotherhood but as you go higher up, it gets a little more. Again, I wasn't a

Freemason but >> how do you get higher up?

>> Um, they you progress through, you progress through, and if you they see that you're that you that you fit certain molds, then yeah, they'll let you go. And then they reveal the great

you go. And then they reveal the great architect of the universe, which from inside reports, and they're going to deny this, but the inside reports, people that have come through

this say, "Yeah, no, the great architect of the universe is Lucifer."

So, >> wow.

>> Yeah.

>> So, it is a >> it's luciferian. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And I can only tell you from the other side. I can tell you as a

other side. I can tell you as a Catholic, it's been denounced. You can't

be Catholic. And Freemason was in can of law. It's been denounced by several

law. It's been denounced by several popes. It's been there's multiple um and

popes. It's been there's multiple um and it's antithetical. And even the

it's antithetical. And even the Freemasons themselves say, "Yeah, Catholics technically can't either."

Even though you you'll hear some once in a while you hear a bishop or priest say, "No, they're nice guys. They might be nice guys, but you can't be a member of that." But on the other side, we've seen

that." But on the other side, we've seen many cases and there's certain patterns in those cases. Um the G maybe probably

stands for um the generative principle.

I'm not sure, but you'll see it affecting um having children. You'll see

um women struggling to conceive. Often

times, >> what do you mean?

>> Then the symbol, the compass in the square and the G in the middle. But

there is an effect often times of these curses of on on second and third generations down um where you asthma

stomach disorders very common um sometimes you'll see we had two cases at the like six months of each other you know a year three children a boy and a

girl boy and two girls the boy was autistic the daughter was completely without religion just rejected their faith. And the next

daughter, the youngest was transitioning to male. Father was masturbation in

to male. Father was masturbation in certain a certain type.

A year later, we get another case. The couple's

inflicted. They have three children. The

son's autistic daughter is on is completely rejected Christianity, making her way back, but she had completely abandoned her faith. And then the the youngest daughter was on transitioning

to male.

They both came from the exact same. Now

coincidence? Okay, maybe.

But the curses affect the males more.

Father Riper will tell you that in in his experience um that that in cases where there is the holding or entry point of the demon was

some kind of sexual abuse either rape or or molestation 50% of the time um there's freemasonry involved in the family.

>> Wow.

>> So and again that that's how these things kind of enter into families.

>> Damn. But the ru but they can break you know you can break that through by resisting and living out your faith you know but but yeah so so so those things are real they work through

what is the unholy trinity.

>> Yeah. So when when again none of us were there we have to lean on some of the the the doctrines of the church um and the writ you know an experience

of exorcist and experience of those who have gone before us.

We see a fracturing if you will of of Satan at his fall where God when he refused to serve the incarnate God. I refuse to serve a God that will

God. I refuse to serve a God that will take a form lower than me. This

incarnate that's why he hates human flesh. He hates us

flesh. He hates us because we image our creator, right? In

his image and likeness. He created us.

And so if he can mar that God's image, you know, and so some speculation that when we see this play out in the field, we see a

fracturing. We see a fracturing from one

fracturing. We see a fracturing from one God, three persons, one person fractured into three movements or three I hate to say

energies, but three positions. So you

you see Satan, Lucifer, and Beelub as as names names for the devil of the

fallen the fallen angel Lucifer who fell loosely corresponding to the father, the son, and the holy spirit.

>> So we see where the holy spirit brings life, brings unity, brings virtue, brings peace. all the fruits of the Holy

brings peace. all the fruits of the Holy Spirit, we see the opposite. And that's

the one that's most prominent, most prevalent today.

>> You want to talk about sex in human sacrifice?

>> No, not really.

>> I I want to >> It's a terrible >> I hear all about this and I want to know, you know, what did what are people getting out of this stuff?

>> Yeah. So,

>> why is it happening?

>> Yeah. um

the coin of the realm, if you will, um is blood and sexual purity. And so God became man. It says in in the book of

became man. It says in in the book of Hebrews, um without the shed of blood, there is no there is no atonement for sins. And so it's through the blood of

sins. And so it's through the blood of Jesus Christ, right? um who who fulfilled the shadow that came into the reality of

the of the the um the Passover. Christ

is the new Passover lamb in in John's gospel, the noon hour when the Passover lamb was sacrificed. Jesus is taken away. Um he he's he they they give him

away. Um he he's he they they give him wine dipped on a sponge in a springrig of hopup. He's wearing the priestly

of hopup. He's wearing the priestly katone, his garment that the soldiers cast lots for. He's he is lamb and high priest. He's the fulfillment of all

priest. He's the fulfillment of all these Old Testament, the shedding of the blood of the Passover lamb. And so he's the he is the new Passover. And so, but

he's also virginal and pure and so um and so he has he so so it's virginal purity and his mother who from Genesis

3:15 was procified to be with with the redeemer um is all is is at the cross there with him present with him um and

so we see the perfection of humanity and Christ shedding his blood and so and so and and so in in that two elements we

see what the the demon works to to in the opposite. So it's blood and and the

the opposite. So it's blood and and the deflowering the sexual impurity and and if God made us in his image and likeness

um and somehow male and female he said male and female he created them in in our image. So somehow the the triune God

our image. So somehow the the triune God one per one God is one but three persons we reflect the inner life of God man and

woman and so it the demon is constantly militating against that um against the unity of man and woman. is going to

constantly try to distort the primary aim of marriage which is to reflect God and and to and to bring life just as God just as the the love of the father and

the son the one the two produce three and this emanation of love this holy spirit so now one becomes two and two becomes three and three becomes four you

know and this lifegiving expression of human love and so to militate against that is is brings particular delight to the demon.

>> So they're not they're not really getting anything out of it. They're just

torturing people >> um >> to to appease demons.

>> It is it is thought that the demon that draws you to hell, you now serve under him in hell for eternity. So they they get that if that's true. Um,

and they get the satisfaction of drawing someone away into their camp. The

satisfaction of pulling pulling a child of God away from their destiny to be with God forever. They get that satisfaction to

forever. They get that satisfaction to create misery loves company, so to speak.

>> Mhm. What I what I was kind of getting at was um you know we hear this a lot, powerful

people politicians Hollywood folks, sports figures, singers, act like

whatever like people that that that that we would consider to be very fortunate and have a lot whether that's money or what you know whatever it is. You know,

we hear a lot about what goes on, you know, at stuff like Bohemian Grove.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, in secret societies, all that kind of stuff. And then and then there's this trade for supposedly there's this trade for power, right?

>> Right.

>> But maybe we get there after we talk about the old gods.

>> Yeah. Cuz they're the same.

>> They are the same.

>> Yeah. They're just coming back. They're

repurposing. They're resurfacing.

Let's take a quick break. When we come back, I'm not going to wait anymore. I

just want to dive right into the old gods. So,

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>> All right, we're back from the break. We

just kind of closed out with uh Freemasons, but I know you have >> I think you have one more thing you wanted to say.

>> Yeah, the well the um we had another case of a Chucky doll and this was um Freemasonic. This was a high level

Freemasonic. This was a high level Freemason and um this case was was um the again the demon militates to

absurdity and so the focus needs to be on Christ. The second focus is what are

on Christ. The second focus is what are the obstacles and the third is what the demon is doing. But sometimes when he militates to a really absurd thing like a Chucky doll, you'll you'll he'll wake up and go, "Hey, I got to I got to

change my life." So this guy was a high ranking guy. He he he he

ranking guy. He he he he um he he starts having kids and he wants, you know, starts having that movement of conversion to come into the church.

And um he um uh his wife goes in to clean up the toys. And one night the the kids are in bed. Picks up a teddy bear and the teddy bear head turns comes

alive and says, "They're they're mine.

Leave us alone.

Just the these are mine. Leave us

alone."

>> And these are, you know, articulate, educated people, you know, um they're not kooky. They're just regular guys,

not kooky. They're just regular guys, you know, this couple.

>> She throws the thing down and runs off, you know, and and that that sparked their conversion. Okay. And then going

their conversion. Okay. And then going through their conversion um going back into the church and this is often times when c you feel the effects of curses is when you start seeing these moment

>> this guy that's experiencing the Chucky doll as a highle freemason.

>> He was he was at the time or he was he had left it. He was leaving it.

>> Okay. And so all this stuff starts lighting up in his life, you know, and so including this and and other other again problems with the children and typical things that are happening, you

know, children having problems and confusions, these other things. And so

there are we're running through um this is the I had shown this deliverance prayers for the ley book in the back. I

gave you one last time I was here.

>> Yeah, you just pulled that out just a minute ago. in the back is there's

minute ago. in the back is there's renunciation prayers that you can do and and um I can I'll put on the show notes and the web page that you can see how it works um who should pray the the

breaking of of the of the curses and you know so we talked about generational curses and there's this is more of an active type active type of curse would be freemation there's other types as

well we'll get into but um in this case we're doing the renunciations and um in preparation for potential prayer and

the um the guy so we're doing our our our protocol you do it once a week in a in a sacred place once a week for 3 weeks. Now if they're in our system then

weeks. Now if they're in our system then our team is assisting in that. If

they're not you can do it on your own you know but if they're in the system for other activity that you kind of clean up. So, we're going through and

clean up. So, we're going through and every week when we got to that section where he would um where he was what he what he did in his previous life, the

wife starts starts choking, coughing and uh then the next week and they they're freemasonry in both family lines as well. And then the next week we do it

well. And then the next week we do it same thing. We get to this certain

same thing. We get to this certain section that I know he was a member of an elite fairly high ranking guy. Not

all the way up. He didn't see the total dark stuff, but high enough that he was moving his way. He uh she starts coughing again. Kind of a coughing fit.

coughing again. Kind of a coughing fit.

Like again, I'm a calf scout. You watch

my movements. You're looking for patterns, you know, just like you. Okay.

Interesting. Week three. So, you do it three weeks in a row. Um go to confession every week and work through that. So, uh and then and then after the

that. So, uh and then and then after the third third time, it's the the curse is broken. Um and so the third week we're

broken. Um and so the third week we're going through I've got a couple team members there and um one of the the parents were there and then we get to that same section where the last couple

weeks you just kind of cough and choke up.

She starts getting choked out like like an invisible hand just went.

>> No kidding.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so

the guys are looking at me like, "What are you doing? What are you gonna do?" You know, and I know I'm gonna get

do?" You know, and I know I'm gonna get destroyed by the by the pastor for doing this. You know, he's going to be like,

this. You know, he's going to be like, "What the heck are you doing? I'm going

to run over and get the priest to to save my bacon." So So I I had known them. Um you know, I had they had they

them. Um you know, I had they had they had been going to confession. They're

working way through the state of grace.

So I said, "All right." And they're looking at me and and so you know I was I'm I was a pilot, you know what I mean?

So we're just on the outside. Cool. You

know what I mean? Sunglasses.

>> Mhm.

>> Got the scarf, air metals dangling, you know, upside down and inverted. Super

cool. But on the inside I'm like, "Oh man, I'm really screwed here." You know? Um

and meanwhile, she's choking. I mean

like face turning red like eyes but gone out like what do you what's going on? So

I say to the husband hey do me a favor raise your hand and want you to say in the name of Jesus Christ I bind any demon afflicting my wife and I command you go to the foot of the cross.

I was like yeah this will take care of it. Nothing

it. Nothing like what the heck this happened fast.

She's starting she's starting to choke out.

And I was like, "All right." And then and then I all I can say is my guardian angel didn't talk to me very much, but I had a quick inspiration. All right. And

I'm writing this chapter on natural law.

I'm trying to understanding the demonic psychology, how they're, you know, I understand St. Thomas and and and I

understand St. Thomas and and and I understand the the the biblical understanding of of this of authority and natural law. And so, but I'm I'm trying working through it as a scholar,

but I've never seen it in in in real time. It's like you breaking down your

time. It's like you breaking down your 1911 a 100 times, but you got to actually go to the range. So, I'm I'm understanding ballistics, but I'm not understanding how to use this weapon.

And so, and again, a demon is bound by that natural law that he's created under. And she, meanwhile, she's choking

under. And she, meanwhile, she's choking out. So I just said, "Okay, I want you

out. So I just said, "Okay, I want you to say in the name of Jesus Christ and by the authority given to given to me through natural law by God the Father Almighty is having authority over this flesh, I command you to leave my wife

alone immediately go to the foot of the cross." And he says that prayer and the

cross." And he says that prayer and the minute he says that prayer, it goes away.

>> Wow.

>> So invoking I saw it happen >> invoking natural law, >> right? It was incredible and it was and

>> right? It was incredible and it was and so the lady they after everything calm down and she catches her breath and she gets her color back and and the husband

goes why did that work and not just invoking?

I said look I said I don't know. He said

what do you mean you don't know? You're

the expert. I'm like I said you know it ain't it ain't stupid if it works right?

I said no here's what I think.

I think God wanted you to learn that your family is in a battle and you're the one. You got to be the guy that

the one. You got to be the guy that breaks this. You're the tip of the spear

breaks this. You're the tip of the spear and you need to start asserting yourself as the head of household and be the man and man up and fight this fight. And

wife, you need to let him lead.

Let him fight this fight and you support him and you fight it too, but as a mama bear, right? And I didn't tell him. And

bear, right? And I didn't tell him. And

God was showing me the understanding, the intricacy of how the demon works and how natural law and how they work and they respond to that. And you know, not every weapon works in every situation.

You go loaded for all sorts of things.

You don't throw a grenade in when you're, you know, when you don't need to.

>> You don't break out, you know. So this

is this but this was really helped me understand. So we see the effect of the

understand. So we see the effect of the freemasonic curse. We see the generation

freemasonic curse. We see the generation the generations involved. We see the attack on the children. we see we see the power of a father's prayer um to

break those curses. And so and so um that's when I started to see how how wicked this stuff is, but also at the same time focusing back on Christ. That

family is now um you know strong working together and going to mass. I mean

they're they're they're they're through that phase of their life. Thanks be to God.

>> Man, wow. You have seen some stuff.

Yeah, it's Jeez.

Well, let's move into the old gods.

You ready? Historical and biblical context of first false gods in the Old Testament. Ball, Asher, Moolak, Aman,

Testament. Ball, Asher, Moolak, Aman, and Rafen. Did I say those correct?

and Rafen. Did I say those correct?

>> Yeah, those are just >> Rafen.

>> Yeah, Rafen. Um you have you we have basically under um we Satan Lucifer Bezoba those are the principal titles that roughly I've

mentioned before roughly everything he does is a mimic a of a mockery an aping of the the true the good the beautiful everything he does he

can create nothing. This is why we saw um we talked about it last time this um this god um mentioned in Exodus 111.

Well, he's not mentioned, but the cities are mentioned. if Egypt and the

are mentioned. if Egypt and the principal deity of the the pharaohs would embody and this this particular pharaoh this particular time uh and at

different times was this this demon to aum and he would um before we get into the big gods.

Okay. Um this particular Egyptian god is known as the great masturbator, the great he she because everything goes back to that original creation of Adam and Eve, right? And also everything goes

back to the proto evangelium Genesis 3:15. A redeemer will come. And so from

3:15. A redeemer will come. And so from the beginning, the enemy is working against this. And what he would do is he

against this. And what he would do is he would he would and I'm sorry, you know, this is not for every audience, but he would ingest his own semen

and then spit children out of his mouth.

And this is how because the demon can't create. So this this was in in this

create. So this this was in in this particular um worship. This is this is how he did it.

worship. This is this is how he did it.

This this ancient god because they because again that they they take anyway they take what?

>> Well, it's the power of regeneration.

It's the unity of male and female that most approximates the lifegiving love of the internal life of the trinity. the

mystery of what God was doing before he created living in himself sufficient but out of love creating us

um and the angels to serve us and or and to serve him and to and to be custodians over creation. And so and so we see this

over creation. And so and so we see this type of mockery from the beginning. Now,

some of the main deity that you'll see in the Old Testament um we see it play out in different cultures um the um um

in the second century there was a a church writer named Tertullian in Africa. He's writing like 150 180

Africa. He's writing like 150 180 um AD and he talks about the five prefects the five prefects or five generals in

hell that Satan um who has you know um um has five generals underneath him and

roughly speaking now different exorcists and different writers have speculated who these these five are but more or less you'll see you'll see a pattern in

the beginning is ball um which means lord or husband right um and in Hosea we say you know

no longer you call your your gods my all but my husband right you you you will call me my husband you know God is the lord god is the lord god is the the

spouse is you know Israel was in a spousal relationship with god so ball is constantly so ball is is is is um militates against that spousal

relationship. So ball is the principal

relationship. So ball is the principal demon of impurity impurity. So that's

the first thing that comes and is the actions of ball is to separate the procreative act um to which to intended natural law end which is children. So he's separating

sex from procreation but through imp he's a demon of impurity and they they come in different names you they get repurposed recycled in different names in different cultures and different time

periods after ball as modius as modius is the principal demon of homosexuality male homosexuality.

So once you separate procreation from the the marital act, sex becomes only ordered towards individual pleasure then

sex between men you know as as St. Paul

says in Romans um they began lusting men for men, women for women after Asodius um is Leviathan, principal de deity of

of female homosexuality of the masculine kind. And then Lilith, which we see um

kind. And then Lilith, which we see um playing out in scripture, Astra, Ishtar, um um

uh Inana um these are different names. Um

uh for her this is the seductive but female lesbian and bisexual and female lesbianism. And then finally

lesbianism. And then finally the fifth general if you will is in the modern period we call them um baffomet

which is a repurposing in many ways and shares many of the characteristics of a mullik which is a child which a god of child sacrifice. Now the three main ones

child sacrifice. Now the three main ones Ball, Ishtar or Astra and Mollik are the three main ones that that that the Israelites kept falling into. One was

used fertility um for divine favors or you know for war, fertility and to appease um in times of great need. So so those are the

roughly speaking again they get it gets complex. So is this these gods are is

complex. So is this these gods are is this almost like a hierarchy of specific sins?

Does that make like if you were to put every genre of sin into some type of a some type of a for lack of a better word a kingdom uh chain of command? Yeah. Uh

a >> organization of demons.

You have, this sounds like you have one head demon or false god >> and then five generals >> over that specific sin

>> that would distribute their kingdom into into five. Now other writers, ecclesia

into five. Now other writers, ecclesia writers would had seven.

>> I mean, so there's a there's a child sacrifice that is that's a sin, right?

So at the top of that sin, >> is is Moolik, >> right?

>> Yeah. So, how did how did how did Bal, Moolok Ishtar all these all these false gods, I mean, how did they how did they get the word

out to the people that they want people to sacrifice children? They want them to to engage in homosexuality and that all that how do they I mean, how does it

come about?

>> Well, I think they they I mean, man is, as St. Augustine said, is created

as St. Augustine said, is created towards God. Our hearts are restless.

towards God. Our hearts are restless.

They find only rest in God in him. And

so man is created uh as a philosophically as a homo religiosis.

Man is a religious being and rel man is religious by nature. We're we're made from God. We come from him. We're image

from God. We come from him. We're image

likeness and something about us drives us back to union with him. You know like remember the you probably shown your kids the show the iron giant, right? In

the end he blows up and then he's starting to rebr together to God. And

we're kind of like that. We're blown up as humans, but little by little, we bring ourselves back together and we're driven back to God. And so they they

present and some aspect of God that's or some aspect of connection with the divine or with the other, the prednatural. Um and and the the pagan

prednatural. Um and and the the pagan Gentiles at this time, talking about the Old Testament, they didn't have the true God. That was Israel's job to to to go

God. That was Israel's job to to to go into the nations and through their holiness convert the nations. And it

wasn't until Israel failed, right? And that and and and those who

right? And that and and and those who failed did not that the church now became the new Israel.

That to the church is going to be proclaimed to the nations. That's the

that is the movement in from from Judaism to proclaim to the Gentiles. And

this is what was most striking here as we go into the Christmas season. You

listen to the readings at mass and it's talking about going to the Gentiles and and the the nations, the pagan nations. And these are the these are the

nations. And these are the these are the the people that that that the Jews couldn't believe it. They called them dogs, right?

it. They called them dogs, right?

They're filthy dogs. You've been you've been in the Middle East. You know what those dogs like. They're not nice creatures. They're wicked. They're half

creatures. They're wicked. They're half

jackal. They're scavengers. And this is the way the Jewish people saw the Gentiles. And so God is going to offer a

Gentiles. And so God is going to offer a a new covenant to these these dogs, right? Jesus himself when he the the

right? Jesus himself when he the the woman, she was a Greek woman, a sirenian woman goes to Jesus, my daughter's possessed.

I can't give to the little dogs what belongs to the children, right? To test

her faith. Now, that little dog is a loaded phrase because when when when Moses tells the people when they go into the promised land, don't do in the land

of Canaan, right? As you know, don't don't do their

right? As you know, don't don't do their don't do their types of worship. You

don't offer a dog a harlot's price or a dog's fee, right? So, talking about temple prostitution and what is a dog, right? There's even,

you know, it's male male temple prostitutes, right? Don't have sex like they do,

right? Don't have sex like they do, right? Don't have sex with your mom.

right? Don't have sex with your mom.

Don't have sex. Don't none of this incestual stuff that that you know, how does a dog copulate? A dog copulates indiscriminately, right? And so that's

indiscriminately, right? And so that's what the dogs did. And so and so Jesus is in this case testing her faith, right? Even the she says even the dogs

right? Even the she says even the dogs get a scrap, you know, from the table.

So these old gods keep resurfacing and again I mentioned it to him and then we'll go into the other gods but there there was a a performance artist and and he I forget what he what he even calls

himself his name was P Ori what was it Genesis Poridge of all things and he did that the same thing some sources say that he ingested his own semen daily he

he and his wife um call themselves they the androgynous the perfect they're the perfect human and they altered their bodies to be surgically to to mirror each other some strange way. Come. I

mean, you can't make it up.

You can't make it up. They're the great he she This goes all the way back to Egypt and >> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> But it begins with impurity and introduces homosexuality and then after that child sacrifice. So

they would sacri they would do different rituals um you know Bal Ashtar or uh and Molech and some forms sometimes it's Milcom the

Moabites or Chamash with the you know but it's those basic are the big three in the Old Testament that keep resurfacing in the life of Israel.

Where are they today?

They're still here.

>> People still worshiping them.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Because there's power they can they can get they can get power.

Ritualistic sex is you know you know the word or you know part of what's ritualistic sex >> well it's either it's either done um as

part of an initiation right I've known um people of contact hey I I did you know go down to a cemetery and have sex on top of a pentagram. I mean that that's ritualistic sex with a prostitute

or with another member of the church you know that's ritualistic sex or it's orgies you know you know like the dian rights you know other other stuff you

hear about um what what what I found I kind of interesting is the word orgy or gay right is the Greek word for wrath it's this it's not this loving sweet you

know Luther Vandross in the background quiet sacred moment this This is violent sex. We're talking about ritualistic.

sex. We're talking about ritualistic.

I never, you know, um, you hear about like the PD parties, that didn't sound like a very loving environment.

>> No.

>> You know what I mean? But that whether they did it ritualistically or not, um, sometimes it was ritualistic. With with

ball, it would be more ritualistic. With

the Astra, it's going to be more in the groves. It's going to be more in the

groves. It's going to be more in the woods. You know, the Dianician rituals

woods. You know, the Dianician rituals kind of fall into that. um bisexual

um you know um these ancient rituals go way back. The Roman historian Libby

way back. The Roman historian Libby describes um um this cult coming in. By cult I mean a

type of worship. Okay. Um that would that that this of this deity from from the the east from the Greeks named

Inianis, right? And so he would they

Inianis, right? And so he would they were they part of it was they were um they were again demons are agents of

chaos. So they were antinomian is the

chaos. So they were antinomian is the name. It's a fancy word. I spent a lot

name. It's a fancy word. I spent a lot of money to learn fancy words. I got to drop them once in a while. Okay. So anti

nomos is law or norms. Anti means against. So their rituals are

against. So their rituals are deliberately prescribed to challenge norms, sexual norms, gender norms. um um

societal norms, slaves and masters in this case, you know. And so so they would they would it started off being uh women going in and their leaders the

the main ones that led it were called minats where we get maniac, right? Um,

and they would it would they would be wine and and some that some scholars think might been might have been, you know, laced with primitive narcotics to

get into an altered state and then turned into these orgies, right? And so, again, against the norms,

right? And so, again, against the norms, Greek women were always kept very close in the house. They didn't, you know, so they go out, they out, they party, they have sex. you know, men started wanting

have sex. you know, men started wanting to join. Now, this is this is Libby,

to join. Now, this is this is Libby, okay? Um the Roman historian. He's

okay? Um the Roman historian. He's

describing this period in Roman history and they they um men started joining and they had to challenge norms. If you want to be in a women's group, you have to

lose your manhood.

And so, and and Libby describes this scenario, and I I got a copies. I'll

give them to you if you want to read what he says. He says, "Yeah." And they would beat the drums loudly because those who resisted that were taken into caves and and

slaughtered sacrificed.

So wicked. So So it comes into Rome this way and it gets it gets kind of filtered into the god Bakus and then Leebear. But

he warns the Senate about letting this this into the Roman Roman citizenry. So

it gets morphed and changed a little bit for the taste of the Romans. But we see it moving through. But again, the Olympic ceremony was that Beel Beelub that's one of the one of the names of

Satan. That's I mean the primordial

Satan. That's I mean the primordial gods we see. Did you see the image and the and the um uh of a of a of a um fly

coming down, you know, had a a performance artist had a costume of a fly coming down on like on a string, you know, that kind of looked like Bezelup

to me. The lord of the flies, the lord

to me. The lord of the flies, the lord of the dunk heat. What's interesting,

you go back to sexuality.

>> Do you think these people know what this is?

>> I don't know. I think some of them do. I

think some of them are as what Stalin would call useful idiots. And I think some of them know precisely what they're doing. The Goddard tunnel that if you

doing. The Goddard tunnel that if you ever look that up, if you don't understand, if that doesn't strike you as wicked, that ceremony that was there, >> what was there? The

>> um it was just same stuff. It was it was same the same kind of occultic satanic imagery and opening up of this tunnel

you know or yeah so we see these images uh you know be's interesting is the demon of impurity and the demon of fear

and so he's um um in particular um very very powerful today very common in

many of our cases is this particular And so the old testament you'll read you'll see be elabub and the new testament it's be elabull okay and so

his real name is be elible and it's the lord of the house the lord of the temple so it's a mockery of the holy spirit the lord god alone his presence his shikina

presence the glory cloud dwelling in the tabernacle he is the lord of the house not him so the so in the old testament you'll see it often trans translated be above not the lord of the house, the

lord of the flies, lord of the dung heap, lord of refuge. And so um and so that's why you see these this name,

you'll see the difference in that name, but this a demon of impurity and fear came on this guy once.

The priest asked me, I told him this case is track and I write it out and I explain it. This is the problem. This is

explain it. This is the problem. This is

who you're up against. Here's his

vulnerabilities.

He's going to be vulnerable on Mondays.

He's going to be vulnerable to our lead of Guadalupe species coming up. He's

going to be vulnerable to um because if he's if he's the lord of the flies, right? If he's if he is mockery of the

right? If he's if he is mockery of the Holy Spirit, then he's going to have vulnerability to the Virgin Mary because who's who is the spouse of the Holy Spirit? Who who you know it was through

Spirit? Who who you know it was through the Holy Spirit that she conceived the God man. So I I give this reading to him

God man. So I I give this reading to him and I I write it out and the priest starts going after it and right in the middle of the priest's the priest is hammering. He starts

correcting the priest. That's not my name. And then he looks at me and he

name. And then he looks at me and he corrects my Hebrew cuz my Hebrew was sloppy. It was it was not correct. I

sloppy. It was it was not correct. I

didn't put the suffix. I didn't spell it out phonetically correctly. Corrects my

Hebrew. Goes back to the priest.

Corrects him. Goes back to me. Looks at

me. looks back at the priest. Nobody

knew that that email went out.

But that's the guy. That's who we're Damn.

The Lord of the Flies. Why do you I mean, why do you What? So,

but you know, I'm I'm still relatively new at this, but uh I'm fascinated by the subject. I want to learn more about

the subject. I want to learn more about it, you know, but there's not a lot of you know what I've learned is >> there are not a lot of people that know about ball Ishtar Moolak.

>> Yeah.

>> There there's not I mean there's a um Darren, my editors, I've talked to him about this for years.

>> Um >> Jeremy, my producer, he met him. We

talked to him about this stuff a little bit.

But you know, if you go out and start just asking, you know, I wouldn't say random people, but but family member, people that are close to me, they there's not a lot of people that know

about this stuff. But, you know, what what's the people that do seem to know about it are powerful people? Very powerful

people. What do you I mean, what's your take on this? You've been in this for a long time. Yeah, it sure seems that way.

long time. Yeah, it sure seems that way.

>> Why is that?

>> Well, I think I think it's power.

I think it's power. I think

>> So, did they get the you know where I'm getting did they get the power from from worshiping that or did they have the power and that that is what attracted the demon?

>> No. I mean, look down in in Mexico. I

read an article not long ago that the the the police down there are the federalis are now going to um Santa Morte

for protection, right? For protection

against um they're they're abandoning their their Catholic faith to go because they can get power and protection more quickly, you know. That's so so it's it's it's

you know. That's so so it's it's it's the expedite it's it's the it's the thirst for power is is what draws people there of some sort. And that power comes

um through these rituals. So how I mean how do they find this stuff out?

>> I think >> I mean I don't know anything about this, you know, and >> it didn't take much on the internet to search to try to figure this stuff out.

>> I mean there's just not I mean full police forces.

I mean there is now in Mexico, but you maybe not all of them, but there are there are some that are doing it. But

again, everything's a mockery. What is

what is Santa Muerte, right? is often an image of our lady Guadalupe in a skull.

And who is she? The new Eve, right?

Prophesied when we talked at the very first segment, Genesis 3:15. She is the one who will crush the head of the serpent. She is, you know, she is um she

serpent. She is, you know, she is um she is she is perfect virginal purity. She

is the mother of the redeemer. She is

the daughter of the father, the spouse of the Holy Spirit. The demon sees it this way. He sees it very clearly this

this way. He sees it very clearly this way. And so he's going to militate

way. And so he's going to militate directly against that through something, right? That's it's it's a mockery of the

right? That's it's it's a mockery of the Virgin Mother. And so and so that's

Virgin Mother. And so and so that's that's why she's very powerful in this day and age. This is why she's that's a powerful image. Um because because she

powerful image. Um because because she she in this in her person in her in her perfect purity, she she she militates against this is why she's there at nearly every extraction because because

of her unique place in the mystical body. And the demon knows that because

body. And the demon knows that because he embodies something a deeper spiritual reality that that that we don't see. I did my doctoral thesis

right on new Eve and the image of woman the John and John's gospel and uh some early church fathers and song of songs.

You know, you remember the Song of Songs? It's a love poem, you know,

Songs? It's a love poem, you know, and how this image of woman is reflected and gets developed over time as in in

the Mary as new Eve. So, we're in a session with this particular case and I said, "Okay, father, read, have uh

have your deacon read John chapter 2, the wedding feast of Kaa, because he calls his mother woman."

All right. on the third day which is began in John's gospel on the first day of the beginning of creation. The

beginning was the word and then three times John says the next day, the next day, the next day. So now we're on the seventh day. We're getting a new

seventh day. We're getting a new creation and the nuptual wedding feast where Jesus is approached for wine instead of the bridegroom and

there is no mention of a bride except for his mother. We have God seeing the perfection of humanity and her wetting himself as in a new covenant and a

wedding in this nuptual embrace with humanity and he calls her woman as a new Eve. Right? So I said just read that and

Eve. Right? So I said just read that and then we that was like two weeks prior and then during the session father's doing the minor exorcism. The demon goes ballistic runs over to the deacon starts

screaming at him like command you to stop reading that stop reading that. So

I walk over. I'm like, "Dude." Priest

shuts it down, makes him stop. Dude,

what are you reading? He goes, "I'm just reading John chapter 2 like he told me."

I like, "Oh, sorry, I forgot." And then read Revelation chapter 11:19.

And then chapter 12, we see John sees a manifestation. He sees a theophony of

manifestation. He sees a theophony of God. He sees the ark of the covenant.

God. He sees the ark of the covenant.

And then he sees the woman cloud with the sun with the moon under her feet.

Like that image of our Leo Guadlup, she appeared. She appeared to the to to you

appeared. She appeared to the to to you know um to the native um indigenous people there in the 1500s right and she

says I am when Juan Diego says who should I tell the bishop you are she he says in in the native tongue he hears the Spaniard hears the name Guadalupe because there was already a shrine

guadalupe she saysupe or something along I'm the one who crushes the stone serpent crushes I'm the one who crushes the

stone serpent, right? Genesis 3:15.

Then I meet a guy a couple weeks ago struggling terribly with transgender, right? Then that stone serpent was the

right? Then that stone serpent was the go was the demon god Quaco Quaddle.

So I meet this guy, he's struggling with gender dysphoria. He's a mess.

gender dysphoria. He's a mess.

And he heard me tell one of these stories and he said, "I'm a little nervous." I said, "Why?" I said, "I just

nervous." I said, "Why?" I said, "I just changed my I changed I turned 18 and I changed my name to Quako Quad.

Of all the things that change your name, you know, the demons are territorial."

I said, "You need to develop devotion to the lady, our lady of Guadalupe. You

need that image in your house to fight this thing off.

Just keeps coming back." So,

but the bottom line is there's they get power through it. But the demon is willing to use anybody that's willing to party with them. He's willing to use them. But you got various levels of

them. But you got various levels of people that know what they're doing.

>> Wow. [ __ ] runs real deep.

>> Well, it runs it runs, you know, it's like that remember the Billy Joel song, we didn't start the fire, >> you know. I knew people that memorized all those. I didn't I couldn't.

all those. I didn't I couldn't.

>> Are you one of them?

>> No. I like the song though. It's I don't want to say it because it'll get stuck in our head and we won't be able to get rid of it all day. Yeah. We didn't start this fire. This started from the

this fire. This started from the beginning. It's the same old shoot them

beginning. It's the same old shoot them up. Catechism of the Catholic Church 409

up. Catechism of the Catholic Church 409 says all of human history is one of dow combat with the forces of evil. And so

we see these same evils resurfacing but in the same patterns it's it you know it it's impurity the separation of male and

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This is how all these nations ended, correct? So, it's the Roman Empire. It's

correct? So, it's the Roman Empire. It's

all >> You can kind of see it that way. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Right. I mean, it's talked about a lot.

>> Yeah.

>> But you and I think about this, too.

But, but God didn't he didn't like nations correct?

>> No, he's he appointed angels to guard the nations.

>> No, I think he I think order God is a God of order. It's it's it's a disorder.

>> I mean, but isn't the new isn't the new Israel supposed to be everybody?

>> No.

>> It's not just >> new Israel is a church. According to

Catholic Church teaching, superessionalism is the name. That's

another I can get my money out of that word. But it's

word. But it's >> when the church now is the new Israel, >> right? The Jerusalem above. She is our

>> right? The Jerusalem above. She is our mother.

>> The new baptis I mean the the the you know St. Paul says you were circumcised

know St. Paul says you were circumcised and circumcised your flesh. you were

that baptism is now the new circumcision.

>> It's baptism that brings us into covenant communion with God. No longer

circumcision, it's baptism.

>> So is circumcision bad?

>> No, you just don't have to.

>> It's just not it's not it's it's it pointed to something else. It pointed us to baptism. Circumcision is not bad or

to baptism. Circumcision is not bad or good. It's if you want to make that

good. It's if you want to make that choice, you know, um >> where did the circumcision come from?

>> It it came back from the whole point.

>> What's that? What is the point?

>> Yeah. No, it's just something God prescribed.

>> Um, that's a good question. But, but God prescribed uh circumcision as part of covenant entry into covenant communion.

So, um, and now when you now then but again what happened St. Paul says these were the shadows the reality points to Christ in Colossians 21:17. These were

the shadows that the Greek literally says the reality or that points to the body of Christ the somo torist. So

everything points us all these old shadows point to the body of Christ.

Body of Christ on the cross. The body of Christ in the manger. The body of Christ the church. The body of Christ in the

the church. The body of Christ in the Eucharist.

>> And so all these all these shadows point to reality out of Christ. And this is why they would mock they would everything most of the satanic rituals are a mockery of the Eucharist.

And there's there's ancient rituals that go back. The Borberites, Fibbeonites,

go back. The Borberites, Fibbeonites, you can look these things up. Epiphanius

of Salamus Cle uh St. Clement of

Alexandria talk about these these infiltrators into the church that were doing eucharistic what they call agape meals, eucharistic celebrations, but

instead of a well-ordered nice Latin mass, they were they were having an orgy and they were doing just the things that we talked about, smearing of blood,

ingesting semen, offering semen to God, saying this is my body and mockery of the Eucharist because it's a mockery of the Eucharist. All these shadows point

the Eucharist. All these shadows point to the reality of Christ, Jesus Christ in his body. But the occult rituals work in the opposite. You know, we we we we've

covered most of this. I wanted to get into witchcraft curses and rituals, but I see um you know, Abramovich in there, that artist,

>> what is she? There's a lot of talk about her paintings, who she's around.

>> Yeah. If you look again, look at the Borberites, similar stuff. It's it's

it's um you know Freemasonry is there's there's three types of curses as I mentioned there's there's natural curses there's generational curses and then there's these prednatural curses within

that you have things like um Freemasonry the alchemy and these are more luciferian um just trying to invoke God to con I

mean the false gods constrict conscript demons etc. Satan. There's another type we call rosacrruianism roughly or pelican witchcraft. I mean the first is

pelican witchcraft. I mean the first is rosacrruian type incantations and there's what we call pelican witchcraft.

Pelican witchcraft or those types of witchcraft used or used more bodily again a mockery of the holy eucharist.

And so you'll you'll you'll see bodily things. It's more bodily blood etc. And

things. It's more bodily blood etc. And so that type of that those types of things are highly highly lurgical. um

highly symbolic.

Remember if you go back to the Old Testament and and if you look at the priesthood the the the what the priest did there were there are three separations

um that set set apart the priest time space and status time separated set apart right Moses says or God says

through Moses set apart um Aaron's sons in Exodus that anoint their hands that they may serve as priests for me and that were to be holy to anoint to set

apart. Um that the word to be holy means

apart. Um that the word to be holy means to be set apart. That calls for all of us to be set apart in this world to live in holiness. But what was set apart?

in holiness. But what was set apart?

Time status and space. So we had sacred space. You have a tabernacle. We have

space. You have a tabernacle. We have

sacred time lurggical calendar. And then

you have person status priesthood. And

what did ritual in the Old Testament understanding? And we carry this into

understanding? And we carry this into New Testament. You know, the New

New Testament. You know, the New Testament and then the Catholic liturgy.

We see ritual brings order where there's chaos. It brings it brings clean where

chaos. It brings it brings clean where there is unclean, right? It it brings life where there is death. Um it's

separating. Ritual helps to separate these things. This is what ritual does.

these things. This is what ritual does.

It's man's engagement with the cosmos.

Okay, this makes a point. It makes it's relev so so man engages with the cosmos through liturgy through this separate part separate separating apart. So

liturgy is important. Catholic mass is important. The demon knows we have

important. The demon knows we have demons that will manifest on certain feast days every time and they're vulnerable on certain feast days because God always sends help from the mystical

body and the demon tracks the lurggical calendar. the time, space, status, order

calendar. the time, space, status, order out of chaos, life out of death, clean from unclean, pure from unpure. Um, so

holiness where there is unholiness, these separations is through liturgy.

But the demon works in the opposite constantly bringing death. So you talk about the modern day Molech, right? Um,

Baffomet and what's his tattoo on his arm? It's a

it's comes from a couple centuries ago alchemy.

um salv coagula to dissolve, break down and reconstruct, put back together. So that's what the enemy

together. So that's what the enemy works. So their lit their rituals do the

works. So their lit their rituals do the same thing just in the diabolic inverse of what our liturgy does. It's it's it's they try to break they try to bring chaos where there is order. They try to

bring impurity where there's purity, darkness where there is light, unclean where there is clean. So ritual is what stands in between and the the the occultists know this.

They know this and so that dissolve but that think about that that principle to break down and to re reconstruct and that's what that's where kind of our our culture is kind of undergoing to break

it down to reconstruct it. The new world order that that's that's kind of the way it works deconstruct it right to break to break down norms to

reconstruct it to something new. Mhm. I

mean, definitely makes sense. I mean,

we're seeing it happen. Yeah. We're

watching it happen.

>> They're agents of chaos. The demon by in his nature is an agent of chaos. That's

his it's in chaos that he is that he has cast down to the earth and it's in chaos that he continues to work. That's why so they're they're constantly going to move towards towards chaos to solve it coagula to break it down for chaos to

proagulate something else in a different way that's not going to be Christian.

>> Mhm. You know, a lot of people think this stuff is orchestrated by by a group of people or a particular country or maybe a religious group or something

like that. What What are I mean, what

like that. What What are I mean, what are your thoughts? And

yeah, I think that this is all orchestrated. I I mean I don't I guess

orchestrated. I I mean I don't I guess what I'm saying is I think a lot of people um think that this is

potentially orchestrated by humans and all the humans that are that are partaking in in dissolving and destructing and rebuilding or whatever

we want to call it. They think that they all know each other and that it's this elaborate network of human beings. Do you think that or do you think that all these

human beings are being manipulated by uh a a one demon, a group of demons that and they're the ones that are orchestrating this and the human the

human aspect the human doesn't actually know even maybe realize that it's being orchestrated.

>> I think it's probably both and I think there's I think there is um certain people working towards real destruction.

They know exactly what they're doing.

>> Mhm.

>> They know exactly what they're doing.

Um, and there's others that are just willing participants. I mean, not

willing participants. I mean, not everybody that went to these ancient rituals were there because they had great devotion to this deity. They went

there for the power, for the connection, for the sex or whatever, you know, >> with experience.

Um, so, so who knows? Um, I guess what I'm saying is that yes, I do I mean I I have no idea. But

I mean, I think it's obvious that there are humans that know exactly what they're doing. I guess what I'm saying

they're doing. I guess what I'm saying is is is is there any one human who's orchestrating this who has the big picture?

>> You know, does that make sense? Like

that has the big picture that's moving >> that's moving the pieces on the chessboard. You do this, you do that,

chessboard. You do this, you do that, you do this. Or is this all, you know, I mean, I know that they know like, hey, we're worshiping Lucifer. We are

>> I think there's those that do that willfully and they're happily doing they've been doing it for probably generations, >> but they don't understand the magnitude and and how it's all orchestrated in and coming together.

>> I don't think there's I don't I don't personally think there's one person.

>> There's not a guy in a talk somewhere.

>> Yeah. No, I don't think there's a guy in a talk anywhere >> that's going on in the talk. Lucifer himself.

Correct.

>> Yeah. He's the guy in the talk and his five generals are the ones that are >> disseminating the information to the humans.

>> No, but I think they're >> Hey, we're winning. Hey, we're not winning. I think there will I think

winning. I think there will I think there's a lot of will willful participants in it. You know,

>> I think we have to get beyond the paradigm that we think in terms of Democrat and Republican. We got to start thinking of the difference between good and evil, the battles between good and evil. Yeah. And um and the demon's going

evil. Yeah. And um and the demon's going to constantly try to keep the chaos, create confusion.

>> Do you see any symbolism in, you know, a lot of this stuff, these Hollywood parties where they're eating food off naked bodies and and what what is the symbolism there? What does that

symbolism there? What does that represent? Again, it's it's it's a it's

represent? Again, it's it's it's a it's a it's a mockery of the Eucharist of the Mass.

This is my body.

>> Or you see these paintings of is it uh is it is it is it Charles that has the painting of Abramovich and there's like some kind of I can't remember if it's a pentagram or a

>> demon or Lucifer himself that's in the painting and you like >> do you know what I'm but it's hidden.

It's hidden in the painting.

>> It's hidden in the painting. Yeah.

>> Is that real or is that >> Yeah. Um,

>> Yeah. Um, >> I mean, how much of it is just scops?

>> How much of it is real is probably, you know, scops is >> Is there any coincidence?

>> I don't think there's any coincidence, is it?

>> I mean, I don't either.

>> I'm not, you know, I'm not I'm not a big proponent that Yeah, I think coincidences. We're starting to see

coincidences. We're starting to see things in real time in space. So, I

think but I think the battle is I think the battle is on and and Christ is calling his church to to get back to >> Do you think that the purchaser of the painting understands what's inside there?

>> I do. Yeah, I do. or there's the artist just did I mean okay like Disney for example >> perfect example I don't know what they're doing now cuz I don't really pay

attention and my kids don't watch Disney but you know I remember when I was growing up at some point in time some kid in my school had fig figured out that oh if

you look at if you watch Aladdin when they rub the genie bottle and the genie pops out it spells sex if you look at the little mermaid the cover of the little mermaid. Um, you know, back in

little mermaid. Um, you know, back in the in the '9s, the cover of the movie, you know, it's a it's it's like a a golden castle.

>> Yeah.

>> Undersea, >> but if you look closely, >> all of the towers are penises.

>> You've seen this?

>> No. You seen this?

>> I remember.

>> There's a ton of this [ __ ] There's a I mean, I can't remember all of it, but I verified all of it when I was >> in middle school or however old I was. I

was like, "Holy [ __ ] this is all this is act this is real."

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it's not a And so, I mean, you see this this symbolism everywhere. You

know, I'll tell you another thing that I don't I don't know what to think of.

Maybe it's a long time ago here. Me and my wife and uh and another couple were looking around at some big big acreages like way way out in the middle of nowhere, you

know, 5 600 acres. We go to this compound and it it was, you know, all these houses, small like cabins. It was like a big

hunt property, you know, and um so we go down there and we're looking all these people like not all these people, like two cars fleet.

>> And we get there, there's all the it's like these hippies, you know, they're like, "Well, oh, what do you guys do? Do

you own this place?" We went through with a realtor, you know, >> they're like, "Oh, no. We just work here. We can the We We're We're

here. We can the We We're We're fermenting food and all this other [ __ ] We go in the cabin. There's like no canned nothing.

>> Yeah.

>> Like what's this is weird. So we go down, we look at another cabin and walk in. There's a golf simulator.

walk in. There's a golf simulator.

There's an upstairs. We go upstairs.

There's this little room. I look on the wall and there's a pentagram.

>> Oh.

And right under the pentagram there's there's a there's a mattress. And on the every point on the pentagram there was these

like magazine cutouts of scenes of like scenes of nature. Like

there was a like a mountain view scene like a beach scene. Every point on the pentagram was a different landscape photo in a different in a different

ecosystem, different environment.

And then there were chairs all around the bed.

>> Yeah.

>> What What I mean, what is that? Do you

Have you seen that before?

>> Um Well, no. I haven't seen it.

>> We see it and I'm like, "Okay, >> not going to buy this."

>> It was with another seal and his wife, so it's like, "All right, well, >> yeah." Yeah. But I've I've seen other

>> yeah." Yeah. But I've I've seen other similar things in in properties and Yeah. This this this is where rituals

Yeah. This this this is where rituals are taking place and and they're trying to open a portal there.

>> I mean, this is like way way out in the Goonies.

>> Yeah.

>> Like 2 and 1/2 hours from anywhere.

>> How do you keep landing How do you keep ending up on these scenarios?

>> I'm an explorer.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> I like to >> Most people never see this in their lives and you you know you're catching this stuff. Yeah. Those those this would

this stuff. Yeah. Those those this would this would have been formalistic formal rituals to open portal. And

>> what do you mean open a portal?

>> There are certain things you can do to open open up open up >> open what comes in or out of the portal.

>> Demons I mean that's rituals performed that open up and this space now becomes the opposite of sacred space.

It becomes the opposite of a church where the tabernacle is present that has the presence of angels that has the presence of God there. It's it's just

it's just an opposite of that.

>> Are they aware of when the portal opens?

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

>> What happens?

>> Well, I mean, I don't know. I've never

been involved, but I but I imagine they would be aware that when they that something would happen, but people have to be care some states there is a buyer there's um buyer beware laws that you have to disclose that you know others

are buyers beware, but I think some of them you have to disclose if there's anything like that, any evil that ever took place there. like for real estate.

You mean I mean so so yeah. So so some this would this would have been a group that would do some sort of rituals to to invoke as much evil into the area as they can. Sheesh.

they can. Sheesh.

>> Yeah. Which is why we we need to pray, you know, offer our prayers to God. Get

back to the true faith. Get back to the ancient weapons, you know.

>> Gez, cults, ideologies, and distinctions.

you know what is the synagogue of Satan?

>> Yeah. So there's a lot of there's a lot of talk on that today. It's very popular topic. Um

topic. Um you know for me from scripture that phrase is used twice and the book of

revelation you have um two churches there of of of the um Smyrna and Philadelphia. I think in the that time period there would have been

intense persecution. Um people think we

intense persecution. Um people think we often think in history that the Romans persecuted the church. Um at the beginning it was largely the Jewish leaders that rejected Christ and as

Messiah that that persecuted the church.

And so and so he um and so um this is probably words that St. John wrote about the time of that of that was happening.

Remember revelation says these are the thing that has happened is happening and will happen in the future. The

revelation is it's polyvalent in its meaning. But so John is writing about

meaning. But so John is writing about what's happening. There are there are

what's happening. There are there are there are there are those who claim to be Jews, but they're not. It says that's the synagogue of Satan. And so for John,

he's the same guy that wrote in the end of his gospel, the world can't contain the books that were written, but these things were written so that you might believe that Jesus is the son of God and have and through him have life in his

name. And so those who rejected Jesus as

name. And so those who rejected Jesus as Messiah, that would that would be the early church and fathers would say those those those people of Israel that

rejected Christ as Messiah. They claimed

to be Jews because the real Jews are as the as the Christians, the church, those are the the true Jews. Those, you know, Jesus didn't come to abolish it to fulfill. And so and so um Jesus didn't

fulfill. And so and so um Jesus didn't come to what?

>> Abolish the law, but to fulfill the law.

He fulfills it now. You know, St. Paul

writes in the Romans that that um um being a that circumcision is something interior. Being a Jew is something it's

interior. Being a Jew is something it's it doesn't it isn't the external things.

It's the spiritual faith that makes us and brings us into the new covenant. The

new covenant of of of you know with God's people which includes all the Gentiles, all the pagans that are now brought in. That was again shocking in

brought in. That was again shocking in the early church.

>> And so that would be the the early church's reading of that. But elsewhere

two other two other mentions in revelation one is the right before one the first mention in revelation chapter 2 St. Paul I mean St. John says um

2 St. Paul I mean St. John says um you've lost the love you had at first.

Return to that first love. Right? We

often we hear Christians talk about that. It happens. But he says, "But you

that. It happens. But he says, "But you you have this in your favor. You hate

the nicolians because I also hate them."

Right? Well, the Nikoli were were um were several of the church fathers mentioned the Nikoli as descendants of Nicholas. one of the deac first deacons,

Nicholas. one of the deac first deacons, seven deacons um ordained Nicholas who was a convert from Judaism to Judaism.

So, and there's several church fathers write about that he he apostasized over over um trying to live celibacy and various things and so he ended up

falling back into paganism and doing some of these occult ritual sex things etc. And so he's he is considered the founder of of some of the again the vorberites we mentioned and some of the

things that they describe that he did um and these sexual rituals they talk about. So the antinomian that's what

about. So the antinomian that's what they that's what it is. It's it's

against these against the laws against the norms and so this kind of ritualistic stuff was taking place even then. And I think that's what John was

then. And I think that's what John was alluding to with the nikolatans according to the church some of the church fathers and then but but if you also look another place another other place in revelation the things that are

happening that did happen and will happen talks about the [ __ ] the [ __ ] of Babylon and the beast right and so what do we see there who is who was the

[ __ ] in the old testament well this is what the prophets called Israel when they were unfaithful you [ __ ] Israel, you were a prostitute. You prostituted

yourself to the nations. Well, what does that what what did he mean by that?

Well, those who honor false gods. So,

what is true love of God? It's seen in the Song of Songs in in a chase, nuptual embrace.

So, now the opposite of covenant fidelity of is is the embrace of love.

The opposite of that is the infidelity of idol worship, which the prophets called whoredom or pro, you know, prostitution. And so you see the corrupt

prostitution. And so you see the corrupt church or the corrupt religious leaders with the beast, the corrupt government.

So for me, you see this interplay throughout history. So the synagogue of

throughout history. So the synagogue of Satan is is anywhere you see this this mutual self-corruption of of the deep church and the deep state.

You could say, look look at the president of Mexico. She goes to this ceremony, a cleansing ceremony, right?

>> I don't know anything about this.

>> Yeah, she went through a, you know, she went through a a ceremony of of uh so-called, you know, it was a pagan witchcraft ceremony.

>> Cleansing.

>> Yeah. Some kind of cleansing ceremony publicly. She went through it. So, she

publicly. She went through it. So, she

claims to be Jewish. And she goes through this religious ceremony because now the detractors say, "Oh, no, no, no. That's

just they're just doing something because that's kind of indigenous. And

so it's just this to me you have corruption, you have a cult, you have religious leaders, church leaders blending together, you know, and then you see what I think

was Taylor Swift was it 201 13 2015 Super Bowl in one of her performances dressed in a a scantily dressed dress with I think flames on it riding the

back of this big golden beast.

Again, the devil hides in plain sight.

So, I think you're always going to see this this corruption and militating against the truth. I

>> mean, that kind of brings me to the next category, which is the one I' another one that I've really really been wanting to talk selling souls and celebrity examples.

>> Yeah, >> that's what I was getting at earlier.

>> Oh, okay.

>> Trading for power.

>> Absolutely. Trading for power. What's um

you know again um I mean can you sell your soul?

>> Yeah. Yeah, you can.

>> How um the the the um the commonality that we hear the demon the devil comes and talks walks up to someone and says you have what it takes. There's several

famous one in particular I know that that's exactly what happened. A guy

walks up to her. She was trying to she was performing in a low-level um you know low-level artist and she's just distraught late after a performance

outside of a club or something. A guy in a black suit walks up with hated the door whatever kind of classic. You have

what it takes. What do you mean I have what it takes? And so you know and he exchanges you know you have what it takes to to trade this world. trade your you trade your

this world. trade your you trade your soul for something in this for something in this world for something temporal.

Trade the eternal for the temporal.

That's kind of the trait so to speak.

And so it kind of goes back to was it um uh the um that the word the song crossroads um the old blues song that says that

that he described selling his soul for for musical talent. And so we um I forget his name, Robert. Um anyway,

one of the famous famous blues artists that that supposedly did this and so there's been several after that. Um I

you know John Lennon for example said I'm not sure about the selling his soul but I know he's got a picture on Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band album is there's one of the pictures in the background is Alistister

Crowley.

Um it was on December 8th 1980 his last interview. Now for most people that

interview. Now for most people that doesn't mean anything to them to a Catholic December 8th that's the feast of the immaculate conception right the what the immaculate conception when when

when the angel Gabriel appeared to the Virgin Mary and said you know um kertomin in Greek a gra in Latin hail full of grace the Lord is with thee we

get the words of the Hail Mary and announces and waits for her to say let it be done to me according to thy word and God became incarnate God became now man. Um

man. Um um so so anyway, so she so the the the inc the announcing of the in incarnation December 8th is is the feast when when

um we recall that in the readings but but the immaculate conception is um um the the

readings we read there but Mary prepared and preserved from the stain of original sin. So when she you know she was

sin. So when she you know she was preserved from the stain by by by by the merits of Jesus Christ who is out of time preserves her from the stain of original sin. As he said in Genesis

original sin. As he said in Genesis 3:15, I will put enmity between the woman and and the serpent. And so this preservation of sin that she was that she was completely sinless. So December

8th is the day that marks the the the when the angel that that she would would um that marked her conception when she was conceived in her parents in her

mother's womb and prepared her to receive Christ. Okay. So, so December

receive Christ. Okay. So, so December 8th, the immaculate conception, celebrating this great feast, is the day that John Lennon has his last interview.

And in that interview, he he he admits that something something comes over me, you know. I I

admit that I'm pos I think he says something like I'm possessed when I write songs, you know. And then that day he walks out and is assassinated.

And so they asked uh every one of the patrol parole heal healings hearings for this uh I forget his name um that shot Lennon why did you do it? He said I

don't know I just I just realized I would do anything to be famous. He said

I had voices telling me to shoot him.

You know, so there's been other other actresses, actors that have said that um that would that have that have um that have sold their soul, you know, that have said they they've admitted or deemon takes over me when I perform.

Beyonce says that Beyonce says that.

>> Yeah. If she said in interviews, something just takes over me. She also

ascribes to that u it's an it's a it's African it's an ancient African religion that's kind of synraticity that came made its

way through into Cuba. Um

so so that that that um Santia says and there's this new guy out there that does a rap song and all the young people are saying this word 67. Have you heard that?

>> Little kids are supposedly there's a there's a kind of a panic among Christian parents because this is spreading. This guy's a this guy's a

spreading. This guy's a this guy's a known um you know just not a not a nice guy according to police standards. Okay. He's a rapper

police standards. Okay. He's a rapper and so he and he's a known practitioner.

He says, "I'm a s I'm a santtero. I do

this. This is what I do." And his dad was he learned this religion from his dad and they're describing it and and you know what do these nobody everybody's speculating on what do these

numbers mean? You know like we talked

numbers mean? You know like we talked about uh what 444 or fours.

>> Yep. 444.

>> Yeah. So so this numerology what do these numbers symbolize? So I don't know. It's a lot of speculation but uh

know. It's a lot of speculation but uh I'll give you my theory if you want to hear it.

>> I love to you want to hear some crazy [ __ ] Yeah, I >> guess it's probably you're not going to think it's crazy with everything you've seen.

>> Yeah, >> this year we've had four 44 million 44.4 million >> watchtime hours on Spotify.

>> Just a coincidence.

>> Is that crazy?

>> That's incredible.

>> I think it's watch time. I got to go grab my phone, but it's like 44.4 million like listening hours or watch hours something.

>> What do the What does four symbolize?

Well, when I looked it up, it said that the that the your guardian angels want you to know that they're watching out for you.

>> Okay. Which is weird because that showed up right after a conversation I had right when I found Christ about uh with a really good

friend of mine who's Catholic that said, "You need to know that you have guardian angels watching over you and they've been with and right after that, that's when that popped up."

>> The guardian angels, >> they're like snipers. you you can't see them just when you need them. You're

sure glad they're there.

>> Yeah.

>> So So yeah, so that symbol the 444 also symbolizes the the four the four corners of the earth.

>> You know, you're bringing 44.4 million, reaching the four corners of the earth with this this wonderful podcast.

Everybody I know loves this podcast. A

great podcast.

>> Thank you.

>> Yeah. So, so these numbers these numbers numbers had symbols, you know, even even the the the Hebrew num the Hebrew letters had symbols. I mean there each symbol had their own numerology, you

know.

>> Um >> I mean when somebody when when somebody comes up to you in a suit and a hat that says I think you've got what it takes.

>> Yeah.

>> And they tell you want you to what do they say? We want you to trade your soul

they say? We want you to trade your soul for something.

>> I don't think that's the language. I I

don't think that's the language itself, but I think there's there was an offer made in one given. Robert Johnson,

that's his name, the crossroads. He

describes it that he sold his soul. But

so other artists have done that. Other

artists have done that. They admit it.

They admit it. And um I'm going to go back to 67 cuz that's this latest thing, right?

>> Well, I mean I'm we'll go back to that.

But I mean, is it all spelled out right there or is it a trap?

>> I think it's I >> You got the president of the United States out there saying all over TV that he is not going to heaven. What do you think that means?

>> Uh I hope he's just I hope it's a bit of humility and a and a ping of conscience and he wants to after his terms spend his life glorifying God in prayer and

conversion. Hope

conversion. Hope >> maybe. But I mean when somebody just

>> maybe. But I mean when somebody just says, "Oh, something comes over me."

Yeah. I mean, that could be just a >> Yeah, >> I've probably said that when I'm doing something good. If I'm shooting good or

something good. If I'm shooting good or I don't, you know what I mean? Or I'm in a flow state and in a kill house or something, I probably say the same damn thing.

>> Yeah. I think I think >> a lot of people have said that.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

Well, the fear of the Lord >> I'm not saying you're wrong either.

>> Yeah. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, you know, and I think the spiritual life conversion really begins when you recognize the spiritual battle.

>> It's it's that guy in the mirror, you know, it's you looking that picture of you in a helicopter, you know, that sits over your shoulder right there. It's me

looking in the mirror and seeing my face. That's the real battle. That's

face. That's the real battle. That's

where it begins. We focus too much on what the demon's doing instead of focusing on what do I got to do, you know? I'm I'm a sinner, you know,

know? I'm I'm a sinner, you know, >> and and the reality is if it weren't for the for for the grace of God, we would be annihilated. We had no

chance. No chance. You know,

chance. No chance. You know,

>> but with the grace of God.

>> Mhm.

>> You know, >> I mean, what I'm asking is, do you think that they do you think they all know that they've sold their soul or is it a trap?

It's is it a blackmail operation? Hey,

you went to Epcene Island. Now you're

going to keep going or else we're just going to tell everybody.

>> I think it begins with I I think that's a great question. I

think it begins with >> Oh, >> that was a That was a 15year-old that you just >> [ __ ] right there.

>> Right.

>> I bet you didn't know that, did you?

>> Well, bet you didn't know you're on camera too.

>> You want to watch it again?

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? And and so that that's that is a maybe not an innocent person, but they they got they got [ __ ] trapped. They

got tricked. You know what I mean? Yes.

Did they engage in sin? Did they realize it was going to be that?

>> Yeah.

>> Maybe. Maybe not.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And then and then be because of of fear of being judged by man, then they go farther. So, is that how it happens? Or

farther. So, is that how it happens? Or

is it or is it very clear guidelines like a like a like a like a law-abiding contract? You're going to do this and

contract? You're going to do this and we're going to give you everything you want.

>> I think there's some um or is it both?

>> I think it's probably both. I think it's valitional for it to for it to for it to stick. It's going to have to be

stick. It's going to have to be valitional. I mean, I I choose this

valitional. I mean, I I choose this whether it's in writing or not or whether what you know, but there'll always be a pound of flash. And the

problem is when you try to get out of one of these deals, that's when that's when the the stuff kicks up. As long as you're participating, then then you keep getting yours. But

the minute you try to get out, it gets that's when the demon says, "I don't think so."

think so." >> Can you get out?

>> Yeah.

>> In God's eyes, can you get out?

>> Yes. Yeah. The devil's eyes is always no. But we, you know, the demon has no

no. But we, you know, the demon has no rights to us. If you're baptized by right, your soul belongs to God. Belongs

to to God the Father. It belongs through Jesus Christ, right? Water and spirit regenerated. You belong to God. Now, if

regenerated. You belong to God. Now, if

if if and so, but we offer him permissions and we have to undo those permissions. And and sometimes goes back

permissions. And and sometimes goes back to the original question, um that there sometimes there's a there's there's a temporal punishment for that. There's a

there's there's there's penance that needs to be done. Too many people go through these. There's people that come

through these. There's people that come out of the occult, come out of Satanism, and suddenly they want a podcast. I want

to be the next Sean Ryan. I don't know.

Maybe you should spend some time in prayer and penance. You know, spend some time doing penance for that. Pray in

reparation, right? Preparation for for the sins you committed. And so, and so I'm not judging people because we're all sinners, but there is a there there is a time for that. But yeah, when you try to

get when you get out of that, I I think um I think you have you have a you you have um sometimes it's written. Um but I

think largely it's something spoken.

>> Okay, >> it's something spoken. But when you try to get out, that's when you that's when you get hit. And it's kind of like, you know, it's it's when that movement of conversion and that's when the demon says you're not getting out. So whether

it's uh a spiritual affliction, you're going to suffer constant, you know, a the demon is just going to pound you down like a like a if

you really understand the the inner interplay between the fallen angel and the fallen human, look at a at the relationship between uh like a an abusive couple, you know, an abusive

relationship. By the time the lady by

relationship. By the time the lady by the time the cops show up, you know, the the house is a mess and you know, he's got scratch on his face. She's got a black eye. And she says, "Don't take him

black eye. And she says, "Don't take him away. I love him. It was my fault." So,

away. I love him. It was my fault." So,

you got to get to that. So, and then what happens? And and then the guy comes

what happens? And and then the guy comes back and beats the crap out of her just to keep her in submission. So, she tries to get out. He beats her up again and she drops. So, the same thing, the demon

she drops. So, the same thing, the demon does the same thing. We try to get out, we make our movement back to God.

You know, I had a lady She left a she's a sister of a good friend of mine and she had just drifted, you know, like like like like many

people she drifted and was suffering movements to conversion but suffering even worse. And she finally just cried

even worse. And she finally just cried out, "Lord, when are you going to come for this lost sheep?"

sheep?" And in that humility, I I couldn't I I got a PhD, a master's degree. I got

pretty good handle Greek and Latin. I

couldn't have written a better prayer.

When are you going to come for this lost sheep? And she has been flooded with

sheep? And she has been flooded with graces. Flooded with graces. So we

graces. Flooded with graces. So we

always always have the day profundest privilege. Psalm 130, out of the depths

privilege. Psalm 130, out of the depths I cry to you, oh Lord. And so that's why it's a foot race to the end. The demon's

going to try to try to keep you away from making that conversion, but he can't. ultimately even even possession

can't. ultimately even even possession liberation from possession is self liberation even if you need an exorcist a little assistance from the church it's

your you have to be the act of agency in your own liberation so so that crying out to God and and have mercy on me a sinner that's part of our protocol praying you know have mercy on me a

sinner so yeah it can you can sell your soul but you can't have it back but isn't again you talk about the old god

So I remember I studied Latin in high school, right? And we're we're reading

school, right? And we're we're reading about the old myths of of the ancient worlds and and at that time the great that great singer Charlie Daniels was was out, you know, and that song the

devil went down to Georgia.

>> And so our Latin teacher was he was a great man, Vietnam veteran, tough guy.

He said, you know, this is nothing new.

Selling your soul for musical talent, this challenge of the devil. He tells us the story of of uh that's we might even have translated. I don't remember now.

have translated. I don't remember now.

Um there was a minotaur who found a discarded flute that one of the gods had dropped and he challenges the god of

music to to uh which is Apollo to um a b you know a battle who can play to

try to the winner could name the prize, right? And so he he loses to Apollo and

right? And so he he loses to Apollo and Apollo for his punishment flays him alive.

I thought and I was just thinking about that on this this topic and I and I started thinking about now this is again this is just my my speculation on this one. Okay. But I was thinking about the

one. Okay. But I was thinking about the apostle Bartholomew.

We have one apostle one of the apostles Bartholomew was martyed by being flayed alive in Armenia.

So I looked up who was the principal and he converted the king of Armenia who was the principal deity of Armenia at the time of Bartholomew

and it was um I think the demon's name was Tier who was their version of Apollo he was also the god of music and he flayed him alive that was his

martyrdom maybe it's a coincidence you know maybe it's a coincidence >> wow >> now that's faith By the way, that's faith. That's suffering for Christ. So,

faith. That's suffering for Christ. So,

so yeah. So, so we see other other stars have um have sold their souls and and made these deals. I've seen them

resurface cases, you know, one particular um famous one

in the 60s was was um was um was was killed. Um and she and and one of the persons associated with

her and her team that was was killed with her um the grandson of that person came back circled back cycled back in as as afflicted and her his grandfather was

was an attorney for this this person and was getting getting her out of a diabolic pact and breaking off this relationship. So this stuff resurfaces.

relationship. So this stuff resurfaces.

>> Wow. Resurfaces. The devil takes it very seriously. But like to to your point,

seriously. But like to to your point, but he's going to try to tell you you can't get out of it. Yeah, you can.

There is nothing there's nothing that you've done that Jesus Christ can't forgive.

That's the good news.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. Wow.

>> I read I read the Bible from beginning to end and you know what? In the end, we win. You know, so we just have to keep

win. You know, so we just have to keep fighting. We have to just keep fighting.

fighting. We have to just keep fighting.

>> How do we fight?

prayer holiness um living the gospel the best we can.

growing growing in the virtues um fasting that old ancient old thing that we don't like to do small sacrifices living our faith focusing on

our families what God has given to us our own where God has placed us influencing the world the best we can from wherever we're at whether it's

podcasting or teaching or or whatever bringing the gospel to the four corners 44.4 four million times until our last dying breath.

>> Right on.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, Dan, >> yeah, we didn't even get to the list, did we?

>> What list?

>> Did we even get to our questions?

>> Oh, Dan, >> did we get through them?

>> Almost all of it.

>> Yeah.

>> So, is there anything else you want to cover?

>> Oh, no. I'm I'm I'm here at your service. So, yeah. I I think I think the

service. So, yeah. I I think I think the big thing is here is is um St. Paul

says, "Don't it's not even do not even discuss the the deplorable works of darkness, but expose them." And so it's it's it's we should focus on and talk

about, but the reality is real. But also

the greater reality again, the demon is terciary in a spiritual combat. The

primary focus is Jesus Christ. We have

to stay focused on Christ and and not approach this through curiosity um but approach it through you know um through to understand that it's through this that that we become holier that we

become more perfect in the spiritual life that we become better Christians better fathers better wives husbands children aunts uncles be the best person we can the best version of ourselves be Christ in the world the best way we can

and not you know it's it's the devil's going to try to get us focused so much on him that we you know we lose sight of that we have to stay focused on that and have hope, be of good cheer. You know,

one of my buddies sent me a there was a firefight in in Afghanistan and um I think it was two Marines and you and you they were behind this big rock and you could see the rounds

hitting and they were turning looking and turning and one of them says something funny and you couldn't hear what he said. you could just hear the fire and so they just start laughing,

you know, they start laughing and and it isn't that that they're fearless Marines or fearless soldiers, you know, it's that you recognize you have to you have

to have peace. You you have to laugh.

I'm sure you had plenty of cases times where you're just laughing at the most inopportune time, >> but you but you make friends with death.

you know, you make peace with the Lord and take what you do very seriously, but have joy. Have joy in that, you know,

have joy. Have joy in that, you know, and uh and so I think that's that's that to me is the key takeaway. And all this darkness that we see in the world, have be of good cheer. I have overcome the world. We talk about Christmas is coming

world. We talk about Christmas is coming up. This is when we celebrate light

up. This is when we celebrate light coming into the world. The savior of the world is coming. the savior of the world. Ironically, December 25th is the

world. Ironically, December 25th is the um this is what some of the church fathers say. This is this is the winter

fathers say. This is this is the winter the winter solstice that that the sun is at its lowest point, the lowest point where the where the the darkness is over

the earth and in proportion to the sun, right? This is the lowest point of the

right? This is the lowest point of the light of the of the light of the world, which is exactly nine months prior at the the spring equinox when the sun

which is March 25th when the sun and the darkness are equal except the sun has a slight advantage.

>> March 25th is the enunciation when the angel Gabriel announced to the Virgin Mary that she would conceive a son 25 months I mean nine months later on the 25th of December. And so the church

fathers saw this that the that God is reclaiming the cosmos that darkness is giving way to light that the darkness in man gives way to the light of the sun

the son of god that's the symbolism advent adventus means arrival coming it also means the Greek word equivalent means presence Christ's presence in the

eukarist Christ's presence in the church we look at his earthly coming in And when he in Christmas we celebrate the child as coming in humility and that

second coming we anticipate him coming in glory coming in judgment and that and and we look to the east for that second coming that we see in our own journey.

We're no different than Israel. We're

just as unfaithful as they are looking and being faithful to what God has given us and and and reuniting the rekindling that fire of our love for Jesus Christ.

I think that's the big thing that we should get ready for uh as we anticipate the coming of Christ in Christmas. I'm

sure Lee will say it much more eloquently than I can. He's a preacher.

I'm a teacher. So, but uh but let's get ready for Christmas and prepare and focus on Christ.

>> That sounds good. I love what you said about taking a look in the mirror, too.

Yeah, >> that's the real battle.

>> That's a real battle. That's the guy that I'm really That's like St. Paul

says, that's the old self, man. That old

guy keeps coming around and and it's a constant battle. It's a constant

constant battle. It's a constant struggle, but that's that's the spiritual life. We got to get that guy

spiritual life. We got to get that guy unders get that guy subdued first.

>> Yeah.

>> See, it was GK Chesterton was there was a contest, a writing contest at the newspaper.

What's wrong with the world? An essay

contest. And he submits he submits a piece of paper that says, "What's wrong with the world?" I am. I'm what's wrong with the world. So, beginning with me, you want to change the world, change

yourself and change your family.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> One at a time.

>> Yeah.

>> Love it.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, Dan, thank you for coming, man. I

can't wait to see you again.

>> Good, man. I'm I'm I I love I love where you're at. I love It's so beautiful. Um

you're at. I love It's so beautiful. Um

it's just it's gorgeous country over here. It's Scots country right here. So,

here. It's Scots country right here. So,

I anytime just give me excuse. I'll be

back.

>> I will I will send you plenty of excuses. Okay.

excuses. Okay.

>> But thank you.

>> Merry Christmas.

>> Merry Christmas.

>> Thank you. Yeah. God bless you.

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