【圆桌派 第七季】EP5 繁花：“人生非常尴尬” | 窦文涛/金宇澄/许子东/马家辉 | 优酷纪实人文 YOUKU DOCUMENTARY

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’s just like the old one.

This town has been transformed several times.

It’s the 50s, 60s and

60s because

especially in the 1970s and 1980s,

it wanted to develop. Economy,

so this

includes these stores

, which were not opened before.

Can you recognize the

old stores from when you were young?

They have basically been replaced.

Now the basic stores

are all for tourism.

In the past, this was

the center of the town.

This center is a key protection target for heart disease.

Now the heart Do

n't you feel uncomfortable

if you

have a heart attack

? You go first.

He fell over.

It is a bridge from the Ming Dynasty,

but this kind of bridge

is often repaired.

Teacher Xu, be careful

when

you enter and climb the bridge.

He is the one who became a Jinshi.

So a characteristic

of Jiangnan Town

is that it rains

because it rains often,

so it builds

this shed. It's built like

the arcades

in Guangdong ,

and that's why

it can keep out the rain . It feels

so rainy in Jiangnan.

This river

is called Shihe,

and there are no boats

in it

now.

The first time I went to Lili Town

was in 1973 or 1972.

The river was full of boats

and

because of this This place

has a dense water network,

and all the boats, including

the awning boats from Shaoxing,

are rowed here.

The water in the south of the Yangtze River is all connected.

Is it

completely connected

to the scenery in the old times

?

So if you throw a toilet paper in Shanghai,

it will slowly flow here,

right?

Isn’t it Shanghai ? If

you throw a toilet paper here, it will flow here

. It can flow to the Huangpu River in Shanghai.

In reverse,

there is a river called Taipu River.

It leads from Taihu Lake to Huangpu River.

It is called Zhongjinjia Alley, which

is the alley where people named Jin live.

But it is in

the middle of Lili Town.

So you are the core.

That is not

it. It means a direction

. There is a message delivery and there

is no house number. The number

is Jinjiaong, or

there is another

house called Tang Ming

. Each house has a Tang name.

Tang Tang.

He delivers the letter just like that.

The house number is the Arabic numeral

after Westernization.

This is after.

Your family is a big family

. You are not

comparing it with the houses in the south.

It's not a big house compared to

this one . If I lived here

, it would be Ma's Alley

.

I'd go to Ma's Alley to find Ma Jiahui

.

So this

is called Zhongma's Alley,

Ma's Alley,

Central's Alley, West Xu's Alley,

right?

Is this private property in East Dou's Alley?

What you are most concerned about is that this

was all privatized back then,

and it's all private property

now.

Because this Lili Town was

different from others,

it implemented

the public-private partnership very early.

After the public-private partnership

, it became this

, it became a housing management house.

And because at that time,

because this was

the center of Lili Town

, many people wanted to live in it

. It turned into a large courtyard,

and it was marked with an asset number. I saw

that the asset number is actually

a government national asset.

Now 70% of Lili Town

is government housing.

Then how did it change

into a government house

now ? You became a study room.

You returned to your hometown in honor, right?

Then the study room became yours.

What is that? It

means it.

The town said that

we should vacate this house. Mr. Jin, let’s decorate it

. Come

and

live in it when

you have time.

You said that it was originally our home.

I said, how about I buy it

? He said that it would not be cheap,

but he said to be honest,

why should you buy it?

This brand is just

right. The limited

use rights in life are enough for

this brand. Why should you buy it

? I think so,

right?

But the local government is very smart, right?

They built a study here and

many tourists came.

That is also his contribution to his hometown.

You are contributing to us now.

Should

we go to the gate

or here?

Where does your master

go to the gate?

Just wait a minute and

I will take it.

You are entering your house

like a thief

and robbing, right?

Shouldn't there be ten or eight servants?

This gate

needs to be removed. Did

n't we just say to enter through the gate?

Why is this gate not prepared?

Good,

good good good.

This is Teacher Jin. The taste of the decoration

says that every thing

was picked by Teacher Jin.

It was

Jiahui. Look at

the four of us. I think

we can sit down like this

.

This can be photographed.

Come on, Teacher Jin

, sit here.

Teacher Xu

look

at it

. This arrangement is quite interesting. Look,

this reminds me of

that

statue of Khrushchev

. Half black and half white

right

?

Two-way

. I sat like this

and I recorded the back of my head.

Let's record "Round Table Party" like this.

Really, I think it's good to chat like this.

So how do I talk to you?

Wen Tao.

How are you over there?

This is what I

saw in 2019.

This house

looks like this.

There was no one

in the ruins.

At that time,

a tree was planted in the middle.

A naturally growing tree

was cut down without asking me.

It was also very smelly, right?

Did

you live here when you were a child?

I didn’t. I

just came here.

The first time I came

here was when I was twenty-one or twelve

Because this house

was turned into a housing management office in the 1950s. After that,

everyone from my hometown moved to Shanghai

to wait for me

. When I came

here in 2019,

it was full of all kinds of

ruins

.

It is a

modern

method of preserving ancient buildings.

In fact, it is equivalent to using modern architecture

to turn it into an

exhibit,

like a picture frame.

What you can admire is

the old wood carving.

The gold

house seemed to have a lot of gold back then

, and there was not much gold.

Look at the pillars in my house that are so thin.

I originally thought

your house was like this.

How is

this

possible? Because

everyone knows

about the TV series

now , I

made this into an exhibition. The theme

is

Hu Ge.

This is Wong Kar-wai, which was given to me by the director.

These

photos

were

taken by the director for me

. We

went to Shanghai and ran around.

He was also here at that time. I wanted to shoot

there,

so I was

on a bridge over the Suzhou River.

This was a photo the director took for me.

It was on Nanchang Road

. Then I went to see a tree .

This tree is said to be the largest plane tree in the Far East. The

French plane

tree is

in Zhongshan Park.

I

also wrote a section of this plane tree

in my novel , and I also drew it on the map

. This is Director Wong Kar Wai and

that one. I went to Lili Town to see the location.

Who is this beauty

? That beauty is the leader here.

The leader is also beautiful, right?

Then that

one is that one. Later when the filming started,

didn’t I show my face in it?

This is a director’s workbench.

You see, he sits here every day.

Look at the two monitors above

. These two photos are very good.

These two are hung around the neck.

You know what

an air cooler is.

The hottest days are

very cool.

I also wore a Chinese cotton-padded jacket.

I wore it all afternoon.

It was good. I love sweating.

This is what you drew.

Yes, this is the director

who wanted to make a flower base at that time

. The base looks like this.

Various houses in Shanghai are put together,

and there are trams in it.

So he said don’t draw it like this.

Draw it with a little imagination,

and then draw it

like this. The last one is like a circuit board,

which is a bit interesting.

What he drew

is also a kind of painting language.

You participate in it. You see

, this is Xu Zhiyuan’s

interview at the time.

How could your shooting team be so luxurious?

This place

was shot

with

just two machines,

one in front and one behind , even

though they couldn’t walk on the ground.

You see, if you don’t tell me, Xu Zhiyuan and the others

knew people in poverty.

We usually

wait until you are better before we come

here. Er Qingliang.

Originally, the four of us

wanted to chat here.

Do you have an umbrella?

I think it’s good for us to stand here for

a while. I think I like the feeling of

this wall. It

hasn’t been touched at all

. This is a painting, right

?

Then look at it.

The one above

turns out to be a brick sculpture

. So they asked whether they want to restore it. What

did I say not to restore

a Chinese-style brick wall like this?

Now you

can’t even hang an air conditioner on it. It

’s so thin, right?

It’s too thin. It can’t withstand any force.

I think the walls in Suzhou

are like this.

Yes, the bricks

are hollow inside

. It can keep heat.

It can keep heat.

Of course, if there is air, it can keep heat. Wen

, so the people of those days

designed the life of those days.

We are now hanging an air conditioner.

The master will definitely not agree with

it falling

. Listen to the sound,

but it also saves materials.

You see, the bricks

we are used to

have to be placed like this to be strong

.

It is placed vertically.

This is Jiang. Characteristics of the south.

The brick walls in the north are so thick.

I

built a house in the past.

You are in Heilongjiang, right

. The

south is because it is

so thin. The bricks

in the yard behind you

are

twice as thin.

Hey,

I think the four of us

can take a photo together.

The background of this wall is good.

He is holding the right

flower

. Shouldn't he hold it? Mr. Xu (holding)

the Little Red Book

should not hold it.

Jin Gong

is a bit silly.

It turns out that the Fanhua brand plastic umbrella

is just like this. It is a patio

to hold an umbrella at home.

It is a luxury

. Yes, it is lawless

to hold an umbrella at home. It's true.

I

have never dared to imagine it in Hong Kong.

I can't imagine

the most. I estimate that there are

more than a dozen families living

here . At least a

dozen families live here

. In Badaowan, where Lu Xun and

Zhou Zuoren were,

we went and counted

forty-nine small fire meters (electricity meters),

so there were fifty families living there.

At least,

did they move out when you came

? Did they all move out?

Immediately

after moving out ,

what about those bricks here?

Someone always comes to dig out

old bricks with

a metal detector

in the middle of the night

. Just in case you hide something under there

? Because the metal detector

is buried

,

you don’t know at all that

people hid a treasure in the past.

Who told me

where

there is a Xuande furnace? If Fang

Yi digs it out,

then who does it belong to? It belongs to you.

He is not the one who dug it up

. He must have taken it away by himself

.

But according to the law,

he should have handed

it over to the state.

So Xu Zhiyuan is smart.

It makes sense for Xu Zhiyuan to dig

it out earlier.

But when did it happen?

After "Flowers" was released,

the government started to have this idea

.

Was it your novel "Flowers" before

it was still

a large courtyard

?

On the one hand, we found that there are

very few people living by the river in

the town now.

Except for old men, old ladies and

young people, young people are not willing to live here.

Why

?

Because it is inconvenient here.

Because there are bridges, you have to climb the bridge

entrance. It's all uneven,

there are no cars

, and you can't ride bicycles.

Originally, this place is a water culture

, a boat culture

, and the river is full of all traffic.

You get on the boat

like

Mr. Feng Zikai,

and you drink tea in the boat,

and you arrive in Hangzhou,

right?

But now,

only older people

can still do it.

The young people

living here have long since moved out,

so I guess many people moved out of

this house at that time.

But can I understand it this way

? It means that

with the power of

the novel "Flowers",

the descendants

of his ancestors who accumulated virtue and

virtue, in a sense

, this courtyard

was returned to the descendants of the Jin family.

That is to say, this house The

re-development and re-creation

were all after the novel.

My novel

was published in 2012 and 2013.

Then in 2019,

someone from the government

came to me

about the beautiful woman you just mentioned.

You know that a novel

"robbed" the ancestral house back.

Of course, the local government has the vision

to develop cultural and creative products, right? The tourism industry,

right?

It also gave me a lot of inspiration.

I returned to Hong Kong and changed my

old residence into a study.

But it was too small

,

Kowloon Walled City.

There was only the

Wan Chai Tiger,

which was only 15 square meters.

I had to queue up to visit

this one. I saw it

and I introduced it to you.

This is the table where "Flowers" was written.

How could you be right?

It’s not me

who writes on such a small table.

Look, there is a photo here.

My computer is placed on this table.

This is a photo I took

after I finished writing "Flowers".

There is a chair

and it is placed there.

You moved it from Shanghai, right?

This is what my father

bought in Suzhou in 1948.

He originally planned to get married here

. All this furniture was placed here. But later, when he

got married in Shanghai in

the 1950s

and gave birth to my eldest brother,

my grandmother

moved all this to Shanghai.

I think it’s a bit old-school writer.

You think

we all have big desks now, right?

Look at the Hugo in Paris.

I read his Hugo novels

and it was like this. The big one,

they all have such a

small table to write here.

Look, I also painted a painting.

Look,

my computer back then

was on this round table.

This is also

the size of the room in

your house in Shanghai. It

is about twelve square meters.

It

is the same as a study

. I told you that I have seen

the place where Wang Anyi wrote "Song of Everlasting Sorrow".

There are two bedside tables on both sides of

a big bed.

I want to see her.

I sit on this side of the bed

and she sits on the other side

of the bed.

I asked where your novel was written . It’s the bedside table next to the bed.

Really,

I told you that

only small local writers can write good works.

Really, now the studio

of a painter is as big as a workshop, but

the mess it produces

is like a sea. No wonder

you ca

n’t write anything about the scenery.

In 1951,

this set of tables and chairs was taken to Shanghai by my grandmother

. From 2011 to 2015,

I

completed "Flowers" and "Looking Back"

on this table. Seventy-three years later, in 2024,

they returned here

. I wrote the novel on this table.

The old house also returned to the Kim family.

I feel What is the name of

this reincarnation? Come on

, tell me what God does.

The gift God gives you

must be discovered in time or accept it.

If you accidentally

cross it

without paying attention, you missed the first line.

Wong Kar-wai

found "Flowers" without

looking for "Dragon Head and Phoenix Tail".

His choice was right.

This is all my father

and My dad’s friend,

this is my dad and an old friend

who communicate every day

with postcards. This content

is so public in the post office. It

’s called postcard

Jin Ye. I said you are really Jin Ye.

You are also good at decorating.

I can’t help it.

This is my parents’ book.

It ’s still raining here

. Good

this

and this. Open the door a little.

I think this environment is very

good. Everything is put up.

We'd better go inside.

Look at the eaves in Jiangnan.

I think you have to look at

the Weirancheng landscape

on the false third floor.

Are these roof tiles old?

Look at this real old one.

This is an empty house.

Look at this.

This is a story from "Liao Zhai". It

's an empty building and empty house.

It 's really ruined.

The tiles are covered with moss.

Think about it. It's

beautiful. Especially since it's raining today.

I think you should take a few close-

ups of water droplets

and that.

Upstairs is

a small art exhibition of mine.

A small art exhibition.

These are all your works.

This is all mine. Drawing

Teacher Jin, let me discuss a question with you

. Of course I am

a generation younger than you

, but I don’t dare to pretend to be young.

I think the generation born in the 1950s

is the generation,

including me,

including teachers like Xu.

Why do I feel that it is your generation?

In fact, according to today’s speech on

piano, chess, calligraphy and painting,

you can see this characteristic

in me, Gu Cheng and Acheng

. When I saw

it, I said that the group of people

in your generation

had no professional training

, but they could basically play a musical instrument

or draw.

He said he had never learned to draw,

but he painted a few

strokes and looked like he was

even versatile.

But in the future,

you will see that our generation is much worse.

If you go on, you can only say that it is.

He is particularly good at a certain aspect

. For example, if you ask me to draw now,

I can't even draw a circle.

That's why you said

you haven't been trained. I think it's different from

people

like

me

who

are

untrained

. The

more unwilling he is to do this,

he has no ability to discover it himself.

Our generation born in the 1950s has parents who

don’t care about you at all,

because their parents can’t take care of

you .

In turn, you will care about everything around you,

including your parents. If they look bad today,

will something happen? That’s

how it is now for nine of these young people

. The post-00s generation is completely overshadowed by parents.

If you want to study art,

what do you want to learn?

But in fact, what does

this child want to do?

He may have his own discovery

, but this discovery

has long been controlled by the parents.

Last time in "Utopia",

Mr. Xu and I

were the judges,

and

we were judged one by one. I called in and

asked about your favorite

book

when you were young.

I said it was "Jack London".

It was the same as Mr. Xu.

Then Mr. Xu went in and

Mr. Xu came out.

I said, Mr. Xu, what book is yours?

He said it was also "Jack London",

so

it was a coincidence

that there were five people

in the world who were famous in ancient and modern times, at home and abroad. Tell

us,

we actually bumped into each other

because you are both educated youths in Shanghai.

Isn't that

why a teenager

would like "Jack London"

at that stage

? It's because Jack London

is a very legendary figure.

He is

a

sailor

who went to heaven and earth.

But looking at it now,

I think there is something similar. It's a bit like the kind of chivalrous person.

He said it more actively

, that is, active choice.

I said it more passively

, that is,

in that era ,

there was no professional education

and no books to study.

So people were free.

Nowadays, people are

occupied with a lot of time

besides family.

There are also amateurs in this school.

You can study in this class and study in that class

. At that time, there were no good things to learn

and parents asked you

not to learn bad things. Just

don’t learn bad things.

There

was

also

the

Internet.

At that time,

even if you

were busy

during the day, you

would read

a book under the quilt at night

.

What does "making friends" mean

when you make friends,

you can't make bad friends (make bad friends) make

friends (make friends)

"make friends" means that

the kind of people you hang out with

will determine what your child

will be like in the future, right?

You guys really answered

this long-standing question of mine

. Teacher Xu said

I remember that

in the 1970s, when I was 20 years old,

various underground popular novels

were popular in Shanghai every month.

I remember one year when I returned to Shanghai.

I came back from the Northeast to visit relatives

and said that the most popular thing in Shanghai now

was a set of photos of oil paintings from the Louvre. But now that I think about it,

this black and white photo is

simply ridiculous . For example

, this set of photos

of the Louvre

is shown to you for two hours

and then you return it to him and

he then forwards it to others

and then circulates it underground.

You say that people nowadays

want to see your black and white photos of the Louvre. At that time

, there was nothing to see

. As Teacher Xu said,

there was no education.

That era was very special.

The gap in education

brought about such things as Every young man

is eager

to learn by himself

. Every young man

will always receive some kind of education.

Now

it is more like the

examination-oriented education,

right? At

that time, there was no such education

, so you yourself will be exposed to

various things.

Now, the proposition composition

education is too full,

but it is difficult for him to develop anything.

Back then, we were like self-selected shopping malls.

You went to a store and made your own choices.

Now

it’s

like

saying that

your

parents chose

the package

for

you

.

Who is willing to

accept

other

people

’s arrangements ? The gossip in the heart is too lively and

too concentrated.

The most vital part

in his "Flowers"

is that there are several

young people with completely different backgrounds

. Today,

they go to different schools

and take different paths.

Shanghai student Abao may have gone to study abroad.

Xiaomao may have gone into business,

right? Tao

Tao opened a shop

in that one. At that time, there

was no way out.

We all queued up to buy movie tickets

and got to know each other

.

As a result, their friendship transcended

the limitations of this social level. This is

the most vital part of his novel.

It is a mixture of making friends (making friends)

between

Cathay Cinema

and the Grand Sonnerie Bell,

because Cathay Cinema was in the French Concession

at that time. The French Concession, the core part of

the Grand Bell, is actually close to

that working-class area.

It is a working-class area that

promotes class integration.

It is impossible to connect

the two local people.

Many writers in Shanghai

have written about the estrangement between this class

and described

the reasonable motivation for this

when the Great Revolution began . To break through this barrier,

isn't there someone

trying to copy a Hong Konger?

Isn't it right?

The Hong Kong people look down on

you like trash. If

you want to call me trash,

why should I

? In fact, the revolution originally

had its certain rationality

and certain rationality

, so it broke through this class

and achieved a lot of the goals of the revolution

in you .

But in his novels

In the end, writing

it intensified

and solidified

the prosperity on the table.

But you are like this A Bao in this TV series,

he and this Tao Tao.

It is said that

they are two people with different income levels,

but why is this relationship still so good?

There have been too many changes in the TV series

.

Is this a beautification of the TV series? Tao

Tao Do you think this is a romanticization of the TV series to use all your money to support him ?

Then it is possible

, but from my personal experience,

the older he gets,

the more picky he is (to his friends)

, and because friends

have all kinds of friends, right?

For example, I have a lot of

people from the countryside. This kind of friend is

a security guard friend who

used to go to the countryside with him.

You can talk about

it , but it is not a core part of you

, but it is also good

to think about the past when we were together, right?

The ancients have a saying that

there is no two or three in life

. In Shanghai, it means bare buttocks (bare buttocks). Friends

wipe their buttocks with

bare pants ( Wearing crotchless pants)

How to translate

"friends" means

just having naked butts

together and playing together. What do you call them in northern dialect? They

are called

Faxiao.

That's right.

That's right.

So what do you think of naked friends,

one of them

is rich

and the other is still poor?

How do you think these two people

can really get along

? That is to say, from

the literary descriptions

of critical realism,

I think

it is like a story written by Dickens.

He later

came to London, and

the blacksmith uncle,

a very simple man, came to him , and then he

was already with the children

of the aristocrat ,

and he felt embarrassed himself

. This blacksmith was quite sensible

and left after seeing this.

This is a critical realism.

Most descriptions are like this

, but my feeling is another

way of saying. For example, in the past,

everyone was the same,

and then after arriving in the city,

you were a laid-off worker

, and your shopmate's brother

has now become a laid- off worker. What does it mean

to become a general manager ? What is the opposite?

This brother who went to the countryside,

this brother who was already unemployed,

went to his big company house on the

Bund and sat down on

his executive desk. Then he

took out a cigarette and smoked

without any worries.

This is very subtle.

Then the boss

secretly told me

It was too much to say.

He asked how to deal with this matter

because we

were all in the past (together).

He used a set of things from the past

to control the situation.

But this novel

is critical of realism,

like what Dickens wrote,

which is that people from the bottom

are all very simple and simple,

and then they become capital. My family

seems to be particularly snobbish

, and in turn,

because I have this relationship in the past,

I have this feeling in

this Jinlao bar,

this is my self-portrait,

self-painting,

my self-portrait

.

I think this can be used

to analyze his personality

. Freud,

look, our teacher Ma will analyze it.

I am a psychology undergraduate.

Look at the nose. Is it a bird

, a lizard eating

a

grasshopper? Or

do you look at

a lizard eating a grasshopper

? Is the oriole

behind

the nose

at the same time?

The most important thing is that

the color of Wen Tao

is very glorious and

bright. It

means that the chest has ambitions,

flies and

shines.

But

you are turning into a fortune teller. The gentleman figured it out,

but his eyes

also revealed a bit of panic

or sneakiness.

This wrinkle looks

like he has been tortured by life,

but it also represents

the dream like a petrel in his heart. Do

you think it is a bit like that petrel?

Just attach

the text version of

Wen Tao's interpretation

to the side .

Mr. Jin has been thoroughly dissected.

Everyone,

we usually say that

the interpretation of this picture

actually reflects the understanding of the reader's psychology.

The sneakiness just now

is Wen Tao's psychology.

You see, it is beautiful when you look down.

It is raining today. It is so

good and

beautiful.

You see, this is its design.

So in one sentence,

it can rain at home.

It can rain at home. Rain

is a kind of luxury.

Do you prefer to live in Shanghai

or do you prefer to

live here? The biggest trouble when living

here is that you have to run upstairs and downstairs all

the time. I used to live in a duplex house.

Why do people like large flat floors now

? I always

forget something

and go upstairs.

Is there a solution

at home? Five maids are enough.

Five

maids in

spring, summer, autumn and winter. What else are there?

Southeast, northwest, middle and middle.

You came up for me.

Jiahui is working hard.

Currently, he is always accompanied by two girls.

One is his wife

and the other is an assistant, right?

There will be a third one soon. There is

also a Filipino maid at home.

Yes,

this is your painting.

I think this

is a bit like this. Urban romance,

it's a bit like

Shanghai romance.

It has a literary association.

Do you think this painting

has a story

? Yes,

does it have a story?

Yes,

what story

? It depends on you.

The main reason is that the painting is for people to see.

What do

you think when you look at it? When

you look at

it , I feel that it is a living person

holding an inanimate person.

Now this is this kind of dance. In

the past, it should be two people

in perfect physical and mental coordination.

But now these two

paintings depict

a real person holding an idol. The figure

we hold often

looks like a plastic person

. That’s what it means.

It’s actually the Huangpu River outside

. But these boats on the Huangpu River It

is connected with the paintings hanging at home.

This is what I am more proud of.

It is unreal

, but it is so real.

This real person

is a bit struggling,

a bit struggling

to maintain something that

seems to be ruthless and indifferent.

Wen Tao is so amazing,

this bird is all When he discovered the problem,

I didn't expect to

unintentionally leak it.

Lao Jin, you promised to

give me a

painting before

. I knew I would give it to you.

So naturally, I will

give you

the three of you addresses

when the time comes.

He is worth money now.

Do you know

that I have suffered a heavy

loss ?

Jin Yucheng's manuscript

is all mine. This is a

manuscript written in 1990

about a novel about Lili Town:

Journey

into the Night.

Jiahui is a handwriting collector.

Did you still

handwrite the manuscript and

send it to the publisher?

Yes,

you can still get it back. You

will get it back.

Look at this,

this is the cover of this set of manuscripts.

He put it I cut out the three characters

that were my signature. He wanted to print them on "Harvest"

and the manuscript was returned to me

. Normally, many publishing houses would not

return it . I heard Yu Hua talk

about it a while ago and talked about how he had just started writing

and sent the manuscript

to the publishing house.

Later, he got a photocopier and

photocopied it. He took it to photocopy,

but after the photocopying, Why

did he still send the manuscript to the publishing house

?

Because the paper he wrote the manuscript

on was taken from the publishing house.

He thought it was free and cost-free,

so he sent the manuscript

the photocopies.

He had to pay for

each photocopy. At that time,

each photo was a dime.

He thought it was my payment. Of

course I had to keep copies of all the

manuscripts and send them out

, so later Yu Hua said that all

the writers of his generation

had copies

of their own manuscripts

, and then sent all

the originals

to the publishing house

and lost them.

He was saying that he had made a mistake in judging

that what is actually valuable is the original manuscript,

which is true.

Now they all use computers to write. Does

this mean that

there is less money?

Is that

so?

Look

at my manuscript.

This manuscript

was written on a computer

at that time

. But

I printed it out on the computer and I am still revising it

.

I am still revising it.

This is the revised draft of the first draft of "Flowers".

It will really be in the future.

This is the kind of manuscript that is

being auctioned . Isn’t

it supposed to be handwritten

? It was handwritten and then disappeared.

Some of the writers

they have now

, I heard,

he wrote it on a computer.

He copied it by hand in the end.

There is such

a sum of money. How

can there be such

a

handsome guy like

this? He is

really

handsome. Let

’s go to the real Fanhua Study Room.

Okay

, come on, be careful.

Look, I thought this study room

was a study room like

the one in the late Qing

Dynasty . After a long time, Jin Lao turned it into (like this)

the "Round Table School" in Fanhua Study Room.

Why don’t you make

it look like an old coffin? Well

, because these books we read

are all

very friendly

to many friends who came in to read them.

They are the yellowish

translated novels newly published in the 1980s.

They are not Chinese classics.

Our teacher Xu’s books

are very friendly

to

publicity.

Teacher Xu has sharp eyes.

I see myself everywhere.

I tell you

that I have

two

books in the third box on the right.

I worked in a clock factory for a while

so

once

I ran to a thrift store

and saw this clock ,

I couldn't help

but buy it .

I bought this clock and

met an old gentleman

when I came out .

He wanted to negotiate with the boss about the price of

a desk clock.

For example, the boss

said it was 450 (yuan). He said 500 (yuan), okay

, no, just 450 (yuan).

I was waiting by the side.

I thought this clock was pretty good-looking.

If he went out now,

I would go outside and negotiate a price with him.

I said, I It was only 500 (yuan)

but this old gentleman didn’t go out.

Later, I thought about

this thing and if I bought

it, I could buy ten of them

. I had no idea,

so I bought this one.

This is a ship’s bell

and is installed on the ship.

No matter how the wind and waves sway

, there will be no error.

This is a British product

. That's

right now

to commemorate your work

in the clock factory.

But the problem is that you need a ladder.

When you climb up this ladder,

will it be a

bit practical? The ladder is quite strong,

but I tell you

that the book is actually in the end.

Now,

you are like

those bookstores designed by Tadao Ando.

They are as

high as three floors. It was impossible to go up and get it,

but he had to do this.

So later on, when

I read a book

, I read it like this.

The book turned into what is called

an installation.

Installation art

turned into an installation

, which is to give you such an atmosphere.

I said to

me, isn’t the bookshelf

the best cultural wall?

Let’s look at two pages of text. Hua Qiang,

we three intellectuals

are here to sit down.

I remember the last time I came back to Beijing,

you lit

a bunch of incense.

When you ordered flowers, there were such flowers

everywhere.

But Mr. Jin, you said last time ,

I told you that

yesterday

was not the day before yesterday. It was the first time I saw you.

Do you think I was saying nice things in front of you?

Our team

has confirmed what I said.

Yesterday,

I love reading faces very much.

I said, after the TV series "Flowers",

the original author

, this person, became famous

for what reason?

When I saw you ,

I said that you look more handsome

than when we did "Round Table"

a few years ago. Anyway, he ’s just this good-looking

guy . Doesn’t his complexion look different

?

Don’t

you

think I’m a lot older

?

Do you remember that I teased you that time?

I said he looked like a mountain eagle. You know,

the wrinkles on his face

look like the hardships of life.

Then I said his eyes look like an

eagle

like that knife and pen official

. It's the same

feeling, even a little shady.

But you see yesterday our little girl

also

said if this person

will look younger when he becomes popular.

Am I popular? I

have been popular for a long time

and for decades.

This is about you. Do

you think this TV series "Flowers"

will treat you like this

after it is broadcast ?

What is the feeling

of the original author ? I feel very scared. I

deeply feel

the pressure of the Internet.

It means that you turn on your phone every day

and talk about this matter.

It means that people seem to have to go through

this

before you can feel

it. To be honest,

human nature is that you

don’t want to be noticed.

I suddenly discovered that

especially in the first

two weeks

of the broadcast,

not to mention

the director (Wong Kar-Wai), I was very nervous,

because later I thought about

the director, when he originally made a film , he

took ten years to make a film,

and he didn't have the current system at all.

He has his nervousness

.

Someone told me that

some people are talking about this and

that, and there are some backstage ones

, and his nervousness is because

he didn’t do it at all in the later stage

, so one is anxiety

and the other is fear.

Fear is fear, or one day,

because after all, he

invested in such a big thing,

so much discussion

is concentrated here. I've been saying this

all the time.

When you say you're happy

, you say you're popular. You're so happy.

People's happiness only lasts a few seconds.

After a few seconds,

the suffering is long-lasting

and begins. Let alone suffering

,

it

's very nervous. I mean, I

'm afraid something will happen, right?

I'm alone and I'm not afraid of anything.

I write a novel

by myself. There

are so many things going on.

I really didn’t expect

Wong Kar-wai to be such a person.

I originally thought he was a bland and gentle

kind of artist.

He is not very careful.

Look at what is said on the Internet

and read all the comments

. Yes

, although he is determined not to attend anywhere

, what does

his Cancer

sign mean

?

To put it simply, a crab has a very

strong outer shell

and is very rich in content.

He

has

all kinds of ideas

, but on the surface

you can’t detect them.

Mr. Xing is also a Cancer,

because it

’s a bang all at once,

that is, if you

broadcast it on New Year’s Eve,

he hasn’t prepared

it at all. This became

a rush, slow rush,

24-hour overtime work for post-

production , and I could only

produce three, four, and two episodes every day.

He was a perfectionist,

so after the first round,

he made a refined version.

For example,

Po's face in the alley was a bit unclear

and dark,

and then he could do it. There are layers

and the sound channels.

For example, this person speaks here,

that person speaks there,

so this film can

be shown in wide-screen cinemas.

All of them are working overtime.

He has always made the first round

equal to

the last two days before it was finished,

and then he took a breather.

So I heard that he is still working on

it again.

He is still working on what

translation

or foreign language version

he is still working on , but Mr. Xu is

not concerned about these aspects. What

Mr. Xu may be concerned about is

the literary aspect.

After the original author sees the TV series

, is this the direction you care about?

My impression is that

he means that

the changed TV series

is not the same

as his novel. It had nothing to do with it

. Later, he chased me to death.

He said, "

Why did you become a black fan?" No

, but I don't know where

I mentioned it in a podcast.

What was it because of it?

Someone took it out of context

and said that he

used two sentences of

Mr. Xu's words

to say

something about Wong Kar Wai's film . Jin said

that he couldn't see

the reality. This has a cause and effect

, that is,

the original literary work of yours

is actually a real film.

It cannot be made

to the extent that it

is.

This is the first and second. Even if you are a first-time director

after graduating from a film school,

he will never

make a film based on the original work

. You must have your own creation

and discovery.

In fact, Wong Kar-wai wants to shoot

far more than

what we are showing now.

He wants to shoot everything

, but in the end

he can only make this choice.

I come here to do this, which also touches people

and makes us collectively nostalgic for

the time when we were most lively.

I was After watching it, I asked whether

it would be like

"Desire" in the past

, where everyone would

touch the softest part

of everyone.

I said I really

can't estimate it

because sometimes when I think about the Internet age,

everyone

has their own differences.

I like this part,

I like that part, I

have a wide range of interests

, and some like Ms. Wang.

Some people who like

Teacher Xu

like Ma Yili, right?

You can't do that.

Ma Yili, I

took it out of context

and robbed me

, not him .

Have you forgotten

that you like Li Li?

Is that why you came to Lili?

Is the name Li Li

really

related to your hometown?

I don't know at all,

because

but I Think about it carefully,

because the two words Li and Li

are for everyone

, as long as they have nothing to do with this place,

they will not have this phrase,

nor will they have this pronunciation.

I am thinking that maybe I

have stored such a syllable.

Is that an English name?

Because when I read it, I thought

maybe Lily

Lily Or

yes

, in this novel,

I deliberately use names

like

Po, Mr. Bao,

Taiwanese Mrs.

Zhang Tailin

, Mrs. Zhang Tailin, Mrs. Zhang

, Mr. Li.

I deliberately use

the simplest names

, the most abstract symbols,

names without any meaning.

Mr. Xu , the

three of us talked about it last time

. Do you have any new ideas

about this TV series?

People are used to listening to good things.

You have a hundred good things

to say, and in the end, you only care

about a bad one.

But I am still surprised by this.

That is to say, they are two

true friends .

You say everything right

in front of Lao Jin.

I think

you understand or not.

I think he has changed very well.

I think it is irrelevant that

he has changed very well .

What he said is also correct.

This new

TV series "Flowers"

It has nothing to do

with the novel "Flowers"

, but both are masterpieces.

It's a bit

like "Water Margin"

and gave birth to "Jin Ping Mei".

This is what you said yesterday.

And the content is reversed.

His novel

is "Jin Ping Mei"

and then his movie (movie)

The chivalry of

the TV series is a bit chivalrous.

The chivalrous chivalry is closer to

the style of "Water Margin".

So I think Jiahui has a wonderful comment.

This thing has some Wong Kar-Wai characteristics

or Hong Kong characteristics.

He said that it was made into a

martial arts drama.

No, because I compared it with The previous

work "Ashes of Time"

was compared to

"Ashes of Time". At that time,

I had an idea

that the martial arts drama should

be made into a romance film,

and that Jin Yong's novel should be made into a movie about Zhang Ailing

, a heroic figure with various

feelings, and a knight-errant

, but the love story in it

is not the same. If you don’t go there, you can’t get out.

This time, Wong Kar-Wai,

I feel, I took a photo of

a Shanghai woman

wearing a mask

dancing with a man

in a ballroom

in the late 1970s.

The director asked me

why

Shanghai women danced with masks

at that time. I think

this director is really

sensitive

and particular

about the information

. So I told him,

in those days , the beautiful women

in Shanghai.

According to the current parlance,

what cosmetics do you want to buy?

This is considered high-end.

But Shanghai She didn't have anything in the 1970s,

right? She

didn't have any skin care products that were different from others

, and she had to protect her face

so

those girls who loved beauty

would often wear masks,

especially

in winter,

which

was winter and

summer,

and

they

would

n't

ride bikes or go out

as

much.

Later

,

it

extended to dance halls

.

When he said it, I remembered that

it was like this at that time,

and it gave me the impression that

women at that time were wearing

black or navy

blue clothes.

So where is the difference

? Or in winter,

it is brown, it is a cotton-padded jacket

, it has a

light-colored scarf made of wool

, and there is a mask.

So I said this woman

must be a

very fashionable woman.

She needs to be different from others.

She

has a setting that

has a sense of mystery

and a little mystery

because of the above. Dance halls in Shanghai

were relatively open at that time

. Later, when I went to Hong Kong

, they warned me that you can’t just

invite someone to dance when you

see a beautiful woman sitting there.

In Shanghai , you

can invite anyone,

even if there are boys next to her

.

But some women

are willing to dance with you,

but they want to keep

a certain distance

from you . A strange man

hugs you,

so she doesn’t take off her mask.

She wears her mask when she rides a bicycle outside

, so she dances with you

while wearing a mask,

and she keeps her mask at a certain distance. The distance

means that I just dance,

I don’t have anything else.

Shanghai is the easiest

place to find beautiful women to dance.

At that time

, how can you say

that the dancing man was so

embarrassed

? Is

n’t it

natural?

I think

there are infinite imaginations

in my heart. A person wearing a mask

is like a veiled

person. Yes, a veiled

woman has

a pair of beautiful eyes

. This guy

is more beautiful.

Really,

it was basically from the late 1970s

to the early 1980s

. At that time,

"Blue Danube"

and the like came in.

Our teacher Xu was so tall

and talented.

I must have been an activist

in the dance hall back

then .

You are not short

either. I

was hated by them for many years

and was a group of young critics.

The reason was that there was

a dancer at a meeting and

they asked

this beautiful girl to dance.

Several people were invited to dance,

but I came in later.

I didn’t know what happened in front of them.

I went in to ask her to dance,

and she danced with me.

Well, these guys

have been hating each other for decades.

Every time they met, they said,

“You were in Hainan Island for a meeting

etc.,”

but what he said about the mask

made me think. It seems

to be a very delicate thing in winter

. She can take it off,

but after wearing it, she said that

I am just doing

this dance as a person.

But

looking at the bright side,

she wears a mask

to touch you and

talk to you. No one else can

see her lips moving.

You

are more vaginal, because we just met

two people.

Outsiders don’t know that

this woman is telling him,

yes,

dear who

am I, right?

Because just now Zidong said that

even if there is a male partner

, you can ask her to dance.

She can’t let the boys see her

talking

to you.

I think it’s good.

When I first arrived in Hong Kong,

my friend took us to dance

. There are

people dancing.

My friends in Hong Kong warn

you not to invite people to dance casually.

If there are men sitting next to you,

it will be very troublesome.

I said

there are no places to dance in Hong Kong

and he said there are dance halls.

Later I went to

the dance hall and it was wonderful.

I told my father about the dance hall

in 1949. Years ago, it

was the same when a girl came over.

You could ask her to dance,

or not,

but after you asked her to dance,

she would put a stamp on the bill and

put it on your table.

Paying the bill

is not paying the bill, which

is the same as selling wine like morning tea,

right?

This is a dance . This was

the case

in

dance halls in the past. Yeah,

it’s all like this. For example, in Shanghai , dance halls are classified

according to how many times you can dance for one

dollar.

I said that in the Republic of China, dance halls were

divided into different levels

based on how many dances you have for one

dollar. One dollar can be danced once

, or one dollar can be danced five

times. For example,

one dollar can be danced five times.

We dance once for five yuan

. We dance for five yuan

for five times

, and the price is inflationary.

This is because

for example, some charge high fees

, which are high-end dance halls,

while those which charge low fees

are small dance halls.

Being a Shanghainese is really nice.

Mr. Shi Zhecun told me this detail

in detail

. Many underground party activities

and cultural salons

were like this. It

was really

happening in the ballroom.

When you said this, I remembered

that in fact, the most interesting thing was

the boundary between one world and another

, or the boundary between one era

and one era.

At that time, it was still very conservative.

When you said this,

I suddenly remembered

the cafeteria of our Wuhan University

in the 1980s.

I just got into ballroom dancing when I was in college.

You know , it

's weird.

It's different from what you imagined.

It

's

in the cafeteria ,

right? It's the same in our university. And this cafeteria

is about the same width

as a football field.

And then, the girls stand in a row against the wall over there, and

the boys stand in a row against the wall over there.

You know? If you

are a thin-skinned guy like me,

you really don’t have the courage.

That means

you, the man, must ask girls to dance.

Then whoever

walks this long distance of dozens of meters

will be in the public eye.

Generally, you have to be the best dancing man.

You have such confidence

,

you know, you

can only watch. You are like us, you know?

Do you dare to

invite the most beautiful

couple

and then walk over like this?

But you know it won’t start for a long time because there was no one

at the beginning. At the beginning, there was a row of people. Finally

,

a man

had the courage to walk over,

and then there was another man.

Then,

according to this appearance

, you can see. There are biological laws, right,

and then we jump up to each other,

and then I remember

that what I will always remember is the one that was very easy to jump

because the ground in the cafeteria

was filled with oil,

and that foot.

You see, at that time,

from that time we were shy

, conservative, and closed

to the beginning,

the only chance you had to

be able to hold a girl.

This is a Marginal breakthroughs,

you see, today it is a joke, but now

it is equivalent to saying that

dancing has become

square dancing

, that is, old men and old ladies, the kind that

is ordinary in Shanghai, and there are

not many of them. Without ballroom dancing,

it will be gone.

I remember that it was what Teacher Xu said.

I wrote this paragraph in "Flowers" A few

times, I have a friend from China Normal University.

He said that we have dances here every day.

Come

over and he will teach me

when we are about to get to the ballroom

. He said, I tell you,

go to the ballroom

and ask a girl to dance.

You see this girl

is dressed as a schoolgirl.

Then introduce yourself

and say that I am the back door of your China Normal University.

If you sell fruit

or open a small restaurant,

she will be very enthusiastic towards you

right?

He said that if you look at this girl's

dress,

she is not from our campus.

She is from Caoyang Xincun

or Changfeng Xincun

. If you are an ordinary social girl

, just say I am a teacher at East China Normal University,

then she will be very enthusiastic

towards you

. It's interesting.

So let

me tell you about "Flowers".

In fact, I

really want to tell people that

TV dramas

and

novels

are

different

. For

example

,

you just talked

about

Li

Li

.

Like

our

Wen Tao, I found that he is a

very sensitive and interpretive person. In fact,

there is no one-night stand

here.

It is Xin Zhilei who is sitting in

the car and sleeping.

But I saw

someone on the Internet saying

this, which means that they have

something going on.

But I didn't see it.

I think this A Bao

walked out of the car door alone and smoked outside.

He is the person

inside. It's normal

to show that she

is fully at ease and relaxed

about you.

No

wonder you both love driving. I don't think so. I

don't think so. You two are more sensitive

. I am so forgetful now.

Why do I remember a

very sad plot

, which one is Li Li? That is to say, she

brought out an experience she

had in that year.

Anyway, there was one in

her past.

A boss in a gang of boyfriends

and then how to fuck her

Mr. A, right?

Then in the private parts of her body,

that's in the novel

that's

in the novel, it's not like this in the movie (TV series)

, because in the movie (TV series),

why I didn't have this idea

is because there was a scene in the front where

A Bao was standing at the top of the stairs,

and Li Li walked up to him. The first

two people were almost

close to each other,

as if we were about to watch a kiss scene.

He turned around and went upstairs.

How could

two people be in love with each other in the blink of an eye? It's impossible. That's

how I reasoned. Oh

my god, did

Lu Xun comment on

the brothel novel of the late Qing Dynasty? There are three words in it.

One is called Yimei

Yimei

Yimei. Is that what the

interlocutor is talking about is "Pin Hua Bao Jian"

"A Dream of Brothels",

one of them is called "Yiye

", which is "Nine-tailed Turtle". There is

another one called "Jinzhen", which is

close to the truth

. It is "Biography of Flowers of the Sea".

His novel

is relatively close to the real

movie (TV series)

and close to the real

movie (TV series). It

is Yimei

. For such a relationship between men and women,

look at

how pure this boss

is, and the three or four women around him

don't know about physiology.

How to solve the problem , right?

In Yu Dafu's opinion, this

is completely fake.

It can only be understood from the perspective of martial arts.

There are still so many women

who worship him

from beginning to end, right?

That is to beautify

him. For

the huge social influence of the TV series, he beautifies

Li Li in his novel. Li Ke

is cruel

right?

He (A Bao) didn't just

sleep in her bed in a daze. When

the lights are turned on,

there are cut-up dolls all around,

right?

Those

dolls are all mutilated.

Sleeping in Li Li's room

is scary to death.

From a man's perspective,

you are sleeping with a woman.

The next day, when the lights are turned on, the dolls are all around.

They are a

symbol of dreams

, but they are all cut up.

Then there is this glass catwalk,

and I am afraid that she will be exposed.

She will be engraved with

this Li Li. This unforgettable paragraph

is also the most realistic sexual relationship

in the entire novel of A Bao,

right?

This

is real,

real real

not competition

real

real.

If I remember correctly,

it is Lu Xun’s concept.

There are several paragraphs where the lights are turned on and off,

which is a very direct expression of lust.

You are talking about the novel, right? Yes, it is

in the novel,

so he talked about this martial arts drama

and you said you can’t handle it. It’s very clear that

I’m good at interpreting

this word

when you see it. I can listen to it as a good thing or as a bad thing.

This martial arts drama is said to be

a fun drama from a good point of view

.

The people like

you to watch it and it is a huge success.

You can’t deny that it is a big guy.

He likes to watch it

, but the reason why he likes to watch it

. For example, some are TV drama masters.

This TV drama master

understands the audience’s psychology,

so it’s cool.

But this Is it a cool drama?

Does it contain a little bit ? A

drama needs to be particularly cool.

It must be a conflict

, a drama, a particularly strong

character

, a very strong

character.

Is it too distinct, so that it is a bit stereotyped

, and does it

eliminate the richness,

gray

complexity etc.

of the novel?

What do you think

of this

? I think it is indeed different. It

is indeed different

, and the space is different

.

The audiences that need to be considered are also different,

and

there are other regulations and other aspects,

so

it is the only option to be able to do this.

So when I talked about

mask women

at the beginning,

what I originally wanted to say was that

it was a carpet-type investigation

at the dance hall. There were a lot of people going to interview

, Huanghe Road interview,

etc., and various preparations

. Do we

shoot 25 dinner parties in

25 episodes? What else has

he thought about? He has

also thought about Po playing the three male protagonists

, Xiao Mao Husheng and

these are the three characters in the novel

. He is the only one

because he particularly likes Hu Ge

. Wong Kar Wai particularly likes him.

He said that he

and all three of them should be played by him.

I said this is too difficult.

If the three brothers meet one day.

What should you do?

He said there is a way.

In fact, it's not easy for you.

How do you

change the hair of three people? In other words,

you don't change the hair

of three people. They are all the same.

He has to make up three people.

It is very difficult

to shoot separately.

It's not the three of us.

It happens that three brothers meet together for tea.

How do you shoot?

Let's not worry about him.

Anyway, he said no,

that's what I'm talking about.

He just has many ideas

and many methods

, so in the end, he

is doing this.

He is not like a person who writes novels

. He only needs one person.

So the day he turned on the machine, he said,

"I said congratulations. How about you?"

He said that

from today on,

he said, I will

pay wages to four hundred people.

That's what

everyone means.

Movies (TV series) are first of all a business

partner.

In the past, for example,

many reactions to Wong Kar-Wai's movies

like "Chungking Express" or something like that

were incomprehensible. What is the relationship

between this man and this woman ?

Is there any relationship

? Is it good or not

? It is an ambiguous thing.

But when you watch the TV series "Flowers",

why does he say it is like a martial arts drama?

Otherwise, I also commented that day

, saying that this thing is really

righteous for men. Women's love

is so clear,

probably because

the current society needs

to be happy and

touching .

Maybe it is because you have done a survey. What about

your survey?

The relationship between men and women in your novel.

Your investigation

in the novel is either a survey or

my memory.

For example, there is a relationship between a man and a woman

that is particularly interesting and unique.

I don't need to remember it.

I will save it

and store it as a keyword.

I don't I will forget

, so why do you

seem to be particularly interested

in stories about men and women?

I am not interested,

just because

it is special.

So the person who writes novels

is actually

different from all other people.

He knows

how to

save everything

. What about normal people?

If they are unhappy

, have negative energy

, or have mental pollution,

they will ignore it.

It's best to

throw it away now . I think the writer's

tolerance means that

he will

save it

and he will not get sick himself.

That means I have to save it and

I will write it again when the time comes.

Because your

writing is a therapy.

It is good

to save negative energy. You

can also heal yourself

through creative writing . Why is

this good?

I am particularly interested in things about

men and women,

and so are you.

I think

I am interested in both men and women.

I think there is an answer,

because for example, friendship

and family love are good in everything

. Compared with the emotions between men and women,

the emotions between men and women are more complex.

There are affection, love

kindness resentment hatred

so many different levels.

Friends, brothers and sisters

have more aspects,

so in terms of creation, fiction

has more boundaries. The domain is for you to explore

and for you to imagine.

I think the

more touching

the novels from ancient and modern times at home and abroad,

the richer the emotions of the man and woman are written.

But when it comes to the TV series,

the director is very clever.

I often say that

he took three crutches

to help him walk.

What is the first crutch?

I often quote sentences from

the original work "Flowers",

right? When it

comes out,

Teacher Jin is in front.

Pay tribute to you, right?

Remind people

that you are the first character to appear.

Turn

around

and then use

sentences from the original work.

What is the second crutch used for?

It has some narration, right? It

explains

how many years, how many years,

what, the stock market

, and what it is. It rises crazily and falls crazily.

In case the audience

doesn’t understand,

there is a third crutch,

especially on the Yellow River Road inside.

Isn’t there

a small stall selling cigarettes?

Often

the assistant director

is the deputy director of TV series. Director

, right? Occasionally someone would go over and ask him

what happened.

The little fat guy would just

say so and so and

so and so,

and the audience will understand.

So this is Wong Kar-Wai's

unprecedented

consideration for the audience

. In case you don't understand,

I'll give you three crutches to help you understand

"Flowers" under my lens. It

's not necessarily "Flowers" that understands the text.

I often

pronounce "Flowers" as "Flowers Melon".

Sorry for the bad

pronunciation.

You like to blossom,

right?

I think he

is considerate and gentle like

never before . This is

the first time I have heard from our Jiahui.

But they are professional in this.

They will definitely have various information

to say that we should have a quarrel here

, or that we should

have a slap in the face

, or what should be here

. It was not a TV series before,

and they all have a

pattern of saying

yes

because they are afraid that you will see half of it

before you do something, right?

He wants you to stay here and don't move.

I have One question:

do you like

the characters in your novels?

Because many writers say that

I have feelings for my characters, right?

Sometimes even

I can’t control his (her) development

.

I want to ask you,

do you love the people in your novels?

Of course you do.

Of course,

it’s not a question of love.

If you like it, yes

, you will like

it. So when you watch the TV series, do you like

the corresponding character

in the TV series

? Why?

Because novels are a

process of decoding,

we encode

words and

you use words to create pictures.

You think of you. For example, Dream of Red Mansions,

you are a person who plays Lin Daiyu.

We watched Lin Daiyu

and you went to see the best actor.

She said she was Lin Daiyu.

How can you accept it?

Then you have to think about it in advance. Okay,

I see this is a new thing.

It is impossible to match the text.

The only check mark is the name.

He has this name.

You have given up on

me. In advance, I had thought about

giving up the monopoly on the imagination of the novel.

No, it’s me

. I just feel that

I have to read it. My point of interest

is in him. How do

you explain your character

and organize such a story?

How does he develop this and

where does he focus?

Because I have known for a long time that

you are a person with such an idea like the director,

so I said it

is a new life.

Did he tell you in advance?

Did he tell

you to find it one day? Sit down,

Mr. Jin, and let me tell you,

my guy who has nothing to do

with your novel,

did he give you some background beforehand?

He won’t tell me,

and he won’t tell me about

him. Moreover, at the beginning,

we

talked about stories, what

did we talk about,

but

when we got to the real part,

it was because of me. There is also a play.

There is also a group of people who

are doing this stage play

. The dialogue play is relatively faithful

to

the original work. So it is

a play that is relatively faithful to the original work. I don’t know how it happened.

The plays are all faithful to the original work.

There are very few talking

plays. How is it?

It’s like one by

one. It’s like rules and

regulations.

It is not a rule that

most of the movies

are faithful to the original work

. Wong Kar-Wai is the exception

. What movies do you watch

? For example, "Anna Karenina".

I have seen so many versions.

It is a big classic

like "Dream of Red Mansions".

Everyone has the opportunity to interpret it

. In fact, they said that they

are doing this in

Wong Kar-wai. When

I really came into contact with

them,

he didn't tell me

because he was afraid that if I told him,

I might go inside or go inside.

In fact

, I don't know how to do it

. It's because of this industry standard

. I'm

an outsider.

But I heard

this and I don't know if it's true

that I want to tell it privately.

If not. Talking about filming this TV series

, you and Wong Kar Wai

actually

prefer the

girlfriend

who appears in the TV series for the shortest time.

You are talking about Xuezhi

. Xuezhi is

because

she is more artistic, right

?

She is more artistic.

This girl

is the one who bought the ticket on the 13th route.

You like the actor Du Juan?

I still like the Xuezhi

in the novel

because

the plot of the character in the novel

is completely different from that

in the actual TV series.

They are different.

That is to say, in the novel,

the first part is the same,

the relationship between her and A Bao,

and so on.

But in the end, it

’s because of Xuezhi’s family. People

resisted strongly and

could not marry their daughter

to A Bao

because dating at that time was not like now.

You can have a relationship for five years and ten years.

At that time, the purpose of dating was to get married.

So

this A Bao’s father also said

that

the whole family doesn’t like you.

I don’t have a house at home.

They have a house at home. Son,

if you get married, can you live with her

in this family

?

Xuezhi

is a brother in her whole family.

The above sister and brother are all going

to the countryside

. She is the only one in the whole family who

relies on her. They rely on her

in Shanghai

to survive.

So she,

in this position,

she also fits her personality.

That is to say, she,

she I have never

told A Bao that

I will love you forever

and I will follow you

if you want .

But what about A Bao?

After her parents objected,

he hoped that Xuezhi would say that

I will never leave you and I will follow you . A

Bao also has self-respect

and hopes that this woman can

be liked by all men

. Followed him

but he didn't

, so the two of them

naturally let it go

because the people from Xuezhi's family

went to A Bao's house

to let

it go.

After many years

passed

,

A Bao became Bao Zong. Later

, he met Xuezhi on some

occasion with various wives

. It's in the novel.

It said that at the end of the novel

, I saw

Ah Bao again. I

heard Ah Bao walking on the Suzhou River,

and a phone call came in.

Ah Bao and Hu Sheng were walking together.

The phone call said

Ah Bao, my name is Xuezhi.

Then Ah Bao said

it's not convenient for me now,

so we can talk later,

and hung up the phone

. It means that this Xuezhi came to find Abao,

but others told him that

Xuezhi is now a

noble lady. It means that

this is in the novel

, so the director wrote her

as having another person

and a

boyfriend who was born in Shanghai.

During the reform and opening up,

there was a Hong Konger who came

to marry her. The Hong Kong people

broke up with Hu Sheng,

and he put the

two

people together

to form the second half of Xuezhi

, and then died or something.

This is the director's understanding.

In fact,

when you wrote this relationship,

didn't you say that it was all based on prototypes?

I want to hear about that

in real life.

What kind of

life is this story

? The story in real life

is basically like this.

It's true.

You include that one

you met yourself.

This

one is a friend of mine.

That's basically it.

So the theme of this novel is that

life is very embarrassing.

Everyone you encounter

is not

black and white. Things

you encounter are always

unsatisfactory and

unsatisfactory things. In all likelihood, you will

always encounter embarrassing things

in your life . It means that

it is not that romantic and romantic

.

Of course it will be very romantic.

But If you get romance,

you will also have

this. It

won't last.

You said it's a TV series

. Most viewers

don't like ambiguity.

They like to have a clear

attitude

. They like

ambiguity,

so they enjoy

the relationship

between Mr. Bao and those women.

If there is no

longing,

curiosity,

interest

, and even one's own investment

in this relationship

, this TV series

cannot be followed.

The most important magic weapon

to catch people now

is detective

murder.

You can watch other

"The Long Season"

"Hurry" has

fighting and killing

in every episode

, and the murderer is like this.

You have to rely on the love between a man and a woman

to capture the audience.

It is very difficult.

Only

one man and three women can do it, right?

It is actually

one man and four women.

It is actually a tradition

in Hong Kong.

I also mentioned

Hong Kong literature

last time, Liu Yichang's "The Drunkard",

Kun Nan's "The Gate of the Earth"

and Xu Su's "Stars, Moon and Sun".

They are all Hong Kong masterpieces,

including "Paper Cut" by Ye Si.

"Dragon Head and Phoenix Tail" Ma Jiahui

is good

, so many classic stories in Hong Kong

have one man and many women

. This is very special

in the

entire

history of Chinese literature in the 20th century.

We either have

one man and one woman

, which is very noble,

such as "To Live",

or

one woman and many

men, which has one woman and many men.

Different men

represent different political forces.

The most typical one is "White Deer Plain".

Tian Xiao'e, bandit and landlord

, one woman and many men

represent different political choices,

such as "Song of Youth",

but it

is rare for one man and many women

to deal with several women.

The tradition of "Dream of Red Mansions"

is right, but what I am talking about is that

since the 20th century

, such dramas

have been usually written.

One person is worried that people will

not be able to watch it.

In fact, there are also Yu Dafu,

but the other one

is still afraid that you will not be stepped on.

Right,

scumbag?

The main thing is this

right?

The main thing is this , so this adaptation has

two big breakthroughs.

One big breakthrough is

the cool article I just talked about.

It

writes these

women who seem to have

no man as a winner .

Every one of them is so beautiful

.

In

the

end

,

we

will meet again in the world,

right? How can Mr. Bao

secretly help her,

Miss Wang, knowing

that it doesn't work?

But these men

all conform to their ideals.

That ideal is two-fold.

The first one is to be beautiful, right?

The second one

is to spend money on it.

You know,

that Ma Yili, right?

You work here, right?

I will buy you a store in Shanghai,

right?

Ms. Wang, you have difficulties, right?

What's Cadillac? No, I'm not

giving you a car. You're watching

something about love

and justice. This is

all

very enjoyable

to watch.

I'm sure women will say that

this man is great and cool,

right?

But then again,

Teacher Jin just said

that life is awkward.

I'm most interested in this

because no matter whether she

's pretty or not

, generous or not

, or whatever the novel or TV

show is, we'll all see it.

At least for me,

it's good to read a novel.

What impresses me most about watching

dramas and movies is that

life is about embarrassment.

What to do

and how to respond to this embarrassment?

How do you

come out of this embarrassment

? Whether it is a woman's

independence

or a grudge, someone

really comes out.

Someone is unfortunate.

Your choice. The second step

to respond to this embarrassment

is to let yourself

or even bring the person you love

into another

embarrassment.

I think this latter part is

the real moving part of

many creative

novels, film and television works,

under

the sun. There is nothing new

, but how to respond to that embarrassment

requires someone's initiative

and destiny.

The most touching

part in it is the part where Ma Yili and Mr. Bao finally

break up with him.

She stops

and

wants to say one more thing to him

and then continues to leave.

This part is one in the whole drama. What

you just mentioned

is that this incident

has caused embarrassment to people.

But you said

that this woman

is self-reliant and determined, and even

if this man secretly helps her,

she will not accept this.

He is very dissatisfied

with Miss Wang.

I like Miss Wang very much,

and

I also agree with Wen Tao on this.

Maybe our kind of comparison

doesn't seem to be good

from a man's point of view,

but it may

also be

the so-called needs now

, that is, women's needs, which means that

they can be

more encouraging

in this regard .

Because to be honest

, according to my own thoughts

, generally speaking,

if two people had feelings in the past

, even if

they are not good now

, if there is

one person who can help you,

because in this society now,

the people who can help you

are very few,

very rare.

If someone can help you,

You will immediately

notice

or be immediately moved.

There

is nothing like this.

Or as soon as I heard that you were helping me

,

I quit.

I just have to do it myself.

I think

this may be a

demand or

our current producers

may say that

they may have some data.

So

you realize that

behind such a popular and successful TV series,

in addition to art,

it must have a lot of

consideration and reference

to mainstream values

​​and even political correctness.

She must

maintain

her self-esteem.

In addition, there

are people around her.

Although

she can't talk about love with

that next family ,

she is also a step backward financially

. Is this how to explain

Miss Wang's unreasonableness

?

In fact, I really think that

I remember that there was such a lady

many years ago.

Of course, she also found a

very powerful man,

but Yes,

she always likes to talk about me.

I find this understandable

. She said, don’t think that

I rely on men,

I just rely on myself.

I can understand it completely.

But then I told her

,

why should I say that?

I think

your man also relies on you,

everyone

. The word means

who can be independent?

Yes,

we all support each other, right?

Husband and wife, colleagues, team

, even boyfriend and girlfriend, right?

Of course you

must rely on your man

to some extent ,

but at the same time,

the man must also

rely on you

to some extent . This is Really,

why do you really like to emphasize that

I am

me and his ideas

are not dependent on each other? This society

is

quite consistent

. I

feel like why should

we

separate it

so clearly

? The biographies of some women

say that since the beginning of the Republic of China (the early years of the Republic of China)

, there have been quite a few famous women who

have refused to rely on men . It’s

not because they don’t rely on men, but they refuse.

Maybe it’s because of divorce or breakup

. Men just say that

they will give you money

, give you relationships

, and even use this as a way

to seduce you.

If you can’t do it,

we will divorce

you. With a few children,

you must starve to death.

I watch you starve

to death. You should come back and

follow me.

I raise my children anyway.

They all refuse

and then work hard

to achieve something.

I think

there are quite a few of

these people

, so sometimes

even if I reject you,

it is still a human relationship.

It’s not that I mean independence

.

My feeling is that

independence means that

I have nothing to do with you.

But I use my rejection of you

as the power to make myself better

and to establish a relationship with you

. Your interpretation is also very wonderful.

Your interpretation

is called

the reverse increase of the upper boundary. Yes,

the reverse increase of the upper boundary. That is to say,

I want to thank

the so-called I want to thank my enemies.

I want to thank the people who abandoned me.

They gave me more fighting spirit

and made me what I am today.

This is called inversion, which is also a kind of fate. It is also a kind of fate,

reverse growth and upper fate.

So you

can see the reality of life.

I think it is complicated

, but you know

that you are like this today. In the era of short videos,

you often feel that

people have a

sense of urgency

that they don’t like

the world. It’s not clear.

You tell me whether

he is a good person or a bad person.

It’s very simple and clear.

So why do I say that

I am with you three writers

? What do I want to talk about?

In fact, I think literature

is the last bastion

of kindness .

What is kindness

and kindness

is sympathy. Understanding

kindness means that when

people cannot think simply

, it is black and white.

Everyone

is a big guy, just like

Jesus didn’t speak, right?

Which of you has no sin

? Is it right to hit her with a stone?

In fact, you think

this society needs to have certain laws.

For example, the law

is not without justice.

The criminals have to pay the price

and have to be punished.

But you find that

a society without laws alone

is cruel

and severe.

For example, how did

the Qin Dynasty fall

? Of course it’s me.

That’s far from the truth.

I mean that there are many aspects of society.

The role of literature

is to tell you

that things and people

have many, many complexities.

I am not

interested

in this Lao Jin

. Your achievements

make me want

to call you Jin Lao

.

I always thought about calling

this Lao Jin Lao Jin.

Later, I like to think about

this person’s language.

When we invited him

to do "Round Table" last time a few years ago,

I found that there is a characteristic in his speech

. Generally speaking, people at this level

are called opinions.

Everyone likes to talk about your opinions.

You see, you find that there is no program today,

including meetings.

What is his favorite

point of view when the team meets?

The audience likes to listen to opinions.

If a person has a clear opinion,

I will say that

you can't live

without opinions .

Why are you so obsessed with opinions?

He likes to tell stories

. In the end, we found that

some of our colleagues

were a little disappointed.

You know, just say that

he has no opinions

. He has

no opinions.

He is just a person

who tells a lot of stories.

But you find that without

him, these stories

have no praise or criticism

.

But this attitude is not clear.

What you just mentioned, Teacher Xu

, is that this is close to the truth

. There is a kind of naturalism

in it. They talk about it

. In the past, we

have underestimated naturalism.

In fact,

let’s not rush to explain

the essence of life

. Attitude,

you have to take a look

first and see

what is going on from head to toe

. This reminds me of

what you just said

. Some people say

that Abao

is a scumbag.

In fact, the TV series has been completed very well,

right?

But the other day I heard

an interview by Lao Jin

that was widely circulated on the Internet.

You were talking about

his views on scumbags.

Maybe because of today

's fast-paced society,

it wants to archive you. It

means using a few nouns.

But

I am a literary person

and

I am relatively confused.

Just watch. People are very chaotic,

some are good, some are bad, some

are bad, some are good . This is

the so-called pure literature

. If it is popular literature,

then this person is a gangster,

this person is a playboy

, this person is something else

, that is,

this

is different from the so-called definition

of literature or popular literature.

For example, you originally said naturalism,

what is naturalism?

For example,

I remember

Zola wrote a novel

called "The Sisters".

The two sisters

are the elder sister and the younger sister. They are both

in a department store in Paris.

I remember

it was She works as a salesperson in a department store.

Her sister is

her lifelong ideal

. She

wants to find a clerk, get married, and

have children

in peace for the rest of

her life. This is her ideal

sister. She

likes to dress up and dance.

Her lifelong ideal

is that I want to be a

social circle. I want to enter the upper class,

I want to enter the aristocratic

social circle.

So if you

write it according to critical realism,

you will definitely criticize this sister

. But its naturalistic way is to say

what the sister is like.

In the end, the sister got married and had children

through various

means. She was moonlight,

that is

, she dressed up after being paid

and asked her sister how she wanted to borrow money.

But at the end of the novel,

the sister

also achieved

her

goal.

She

married an old nobleman in her fifties

and

was

very happy

. She

was also very satisfied

with

marrying

a clerk. People here

actually don’t need to judge

or criticize at all

, because people nowadays,

I always say that

readers are smarter than authors,

people can see it clearly.

You still have to introduce

how this is good

and this is bad.

Why do people like to go to supermarkets

? Supermarkets are your own choice.

I want to buy this.

We also choose by ourselves

on the Internet now.

I don’t need you to introduce products at all.

Why don’t you

notice this?

That is to say, according to our past,

we went to a store

and people pestered you and said

how good my clothes are.

You must run away. There

is no need for anyone to introduce

someone to do anything.

We are all

the current audience

compared to the past.

In traditional Chinese history,

I think people today

have

the broadest horizons in

all dynasties.

They know everything.

They can see

everything and understand

everything.

People

can understand

everything.

I don’t necessarily understand the author.

Everyone can understand it.

So I think in literature,

you only need to write

a complex story or complex human nature that you know

, and you don’t have to criticize it.

How can people

not understand,

right?

So you see, once

I saw a reporter interviewing Lao Jin, which

means

critical realism.

There was a period in our literature

that was very critical of realism.

Lao Jin said this of mine.

Our society

has already had too much

criticism.

He said that there have been too many

judgments. When I stopped,

he said that

my non-judgment

was

actually

after many, many judgments.

It was related to his experience

because he, the editorial director, had seen various criticisms

against

him for decades

, so he thought

I would just tell a story.

His story-telling included

a layer

of French naturalism.

In fact, I have the same experience.

I watched Maupassant's "The Friend".

When I was a child, I

saw that the handsome friend

was not punished.

I was still very disappointed.

I thought that this

rogue man

seemed to

be doing well in the end

. Later I found out that Maupassant

was written in such a way.

This is naturalism

, but he actually has another one

that he himself may not realize.

You talk about points of view.

It is a scattered point.

It is a

story and a story.

It is not based on a story. If you look at

the entire "Flowers" online

, you won't find anyone

including the protagonist

who is closest to him.

Abao Husheng is a bit similar.

It doesn't have a

judgment system that runs through

things,

so on the contrary,

in the eyes of our reviewers,

it is

the effect of "Along the River During the Qingming Festival".

This is exactly

a development trend of Chinese novels in the last 20 years.

There is a work very similar to his novel,

"One Sentence is Worth Ten Thousand Sentences"

by Liu Zhenyun It's

the same thing.

You don't know what stories he tells.

He tells a lot of trivial stories.

In the end, you can only say

that the farmers in Henan

live like this.

His novels are also like this

.

You men and women

compare

their eras

like this.

And that's it. But

Teacher Ma said

no. I said

go with this.

No matter whether you criticize or not

, what kind of language is used

? Back to what I said earlier, scumbags

must be classified from the beginning.

In my opinion,

scumbags treat

today's society

just like scumbags. In addition to

calling scum men

and scum women,

what else is there to call a scumbag mistress?

I don’t think this is

a humanitarian term, is it?

The point is

that in terms of language,

this is such a rough language.

He just uses

the two words

scumbag

or scumbag

to erase

a relationship behind it

or talk about several relationships.

So complex feelings

, thinking that

he will kill you with a stick.

"Kill" the scumbag

, obliterate the culture,

scumbag kill the

scumbag, kill the woman,

so I think

it is good to criticize.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t criticize or criticize.

In the end, you return to literature itself

, which is words and language,

and then telling stories

reminds me of the American writer

Susan Sontag (1933-2004). An American writer

said why we should read novels.

She said that reading novels

allows us to understand that

there are really people in the world

who are different

from us and

live in different ways from us

. They are a kind of people. Those so-called stories are

not

just stories ,

it is their lives,

their joys, sorrows

and joys. They

are different from us

. Let us read novels to understand

that it is not just me.

It liberates me.

So the moving part of the novel is here.

What did you want to say just now?

I forgot all of a sudden.

You read it. I

forgot all of a sudden .

I just want to talk about it. I think about this matter, why is Lao Jin

so

close

to him

?

His way of thinking

coincides

with this chat I have been thinking about for many years.

You know that he tells stories,

and I have long discovered that he has this characteristic of

being very branchy.

He can hardly tell a story .

You know

, just like his novels,

he branched off from here.

I want to tell you about this grandma.

This was originally about this grandpa.

Then this grandma's cousin

carefully read his novels.

Many of the structures are like this.

I thought that we talked about

this "Biography of Flowers of the Sea".

"Biography of Flowers on the Sea"

written by Han Bangqing

actually

made me feel that

it broke

some

of the concepts of our middle school students' compositions.

For example, our middle school students' composition means that

the theme is clear

or

what is your central idea.

This thing is very difficult for me.

I think why

it must have a central idea .

Why must it

be for the exam

? Yes,

how can I give points if you don't have the central idea

in the exam

? Yes, but in fact, sometimes

it describes a

native state of life , and really,

I am right about it.

There is a kind of praise for

this writing method

, maybe it is too exaggerated.

I just read it like this.

For example, this novel is

like Han Bangqing's.

It is a bit like "Water Margin".

When you read the traditional Chinese romance novel

, one person

writes it to

the second chapter

, and you think he is the master. Well,

he disappeared

dozens of times, and even at the end,

this person didn’t appear.

Then he met him again in the third time,

and he met him again.

Where do you think the center is?

But it is a

process of time.

It is like the truth of life.

My kind words

remind me of this.

Son in Kawakami said

the dead person is like a husband.

This way of writing is running water,

so they say running accounts

are derogatory.

In fact, I particularly like chatting like this

because

it goes off topic

and goes on

and on like this. Later, based on my

interest in the brain in recent years

, I found that it is

the connection method

of brain neurons.

Yes,

this way of writing

is more in line with

the basic state of the brain.

You should go and study brain science.

Our way of writing

, or the way people

chat in daily life

, completely follows

the connection method of brain neurons.

Because the neurons in your brain

are countless stored memories, right?

You don’t know which one

is

connected and

the two are connected to trigger that memory.

Sometimes

you

even

have to pull it back.

Why do we say that some people’s

ideas are more rigid.

For example,

brushing your teeth when you wake up in the morning

is trained.

This neuron

and this neuron are

connected too many times.

They are chemical (neurotransmitter)

connections. After being connected too many times,

they are solidified.

So you think

it will not work if you don’t brush your teeth in the morning.

But in fact, artistic creation

is to improve What do you advocate?

Try more

new neuron connections

so that children can have

different associations.

It’s actually a little bit so.

That’s why I said that literature is not only

kind.

Literature can develop

new ways of connecting

neurons in our brains.

Today you said this is particularly good.

Why do

we watch that one called

"Reminiscences of Lost Time" ""

is Proust's novel.

Although it is not written in the Chinese style

, it is because of this writer.

He is not in good health.

He lies in bed

and writes later. He

can't get out

of it. Then after finishing a manuscript,

the publishing house is afraid

to show him the proofs

when it is

published

. Show him the proofs,

and he will revise the manuscript

into a mess

(nonsense)

, and it will look like

it

needs to be retyped,

because he will pop up

like you said neurons,

because for this novel,

he

thought of who and who

again through a madeleine snack .

I thought about someone

, and then

I ran to a place to gather

. For example, a few of us were talking,

and then I heard someone talking about

other people, some gossip about men and women,

and a few words floated over.

When I looked

back, there was no one there. I

was

just talking about this whole life.

I remember this

play

"Flowers".

When they were making a play,

they made a character chart

of the characters in the novel

. Then enlarge the font size of

the main characters and make the minor characters smaller,

and then made it into a network.

Then I once talked about this

and made a presentation

and put this picture

on the inside of the venue. People said

they were shocked,

wow, he said

, what's surprising about you guys?

Our interpersonal relationships

are like this. When

I was in junior high school, I met someone

and zoomed in a little bit.

But then

I lost contact with him

, or my girlfriend

met

someone

else and met someone else. We are

walking through a maze.

The friends you make along

this

route in the maze

are all

fragmented

at each stage

. This is the only one in our "Round Table Faction".

Are you guys

still dating now? If

you had changed one , they would

have broken up a long time ago, right?

There has been a lot of trouble,

right? Does the contradiction

mean that this is a normal

development,

just like a root system?

It's like a tree.

When it encounters a stone here,

it can't get over

it and it grows over there.

This is

a very reasonable thing.

Why is there no theme?

This is what life

is like.

Yes,

you say

so, right? Hui,

what was the theme of your day yesterday

? Yes

right?

In fact,

some people say that his novels

are very interesting.

Just like some people

who listened to our program,

they said that it was

quite fun

after listening to it. But after finishing it,

did you say what they said,

so that

they will

listen to it again and again

? Many of them said that

he has listened to many of our episodes

five or six times,

right? So

I’m not afraid of offending you.

I still have this feeling

after watching this TV series.

This way of writing,

I don’t know if it’s called a weakness

. It’s Wong Kar-Wai’s TV series.

After I watched it, I forgot about

the novel "Flowers"

because of it.

There is indeed a problem with the writing style of

the novel "Flowers".

Your memory is not clear. When

I read your novel, I

got a tone

and a feeling.

But because of Wong Kar-wai's "Flowers" TV series

with such a distinctive character story,

I discovered his novel

after reading it.

I forgot

exactly who was talking to whom

, so I started to think about

the value of

his way of writing

or talking.

I think it was the pleasure of reading.

When

I was reading,

it was very enjoyable

to see him talk so

ramblingly,

but it is really

so complicated

. After reading the overflowing details,

if you want to say

how clearly

you remember it, you won’t be

able to remember it very clearly,

so it will have such an effect

. When I read his novel,

because I am an occupational disease

and do literary criticism

, it is inevitable

to sort out

the branches

and summarize them into one.

In this rough summary of mine, he wrote two

paragraphs on a certain theme

, which is about a group of young people

in the 1960s

living in different districts.

Their lives were very trivial,

some were romantic,

some were trivial, right?

I don’t know if this Xiaomao

is considered romantic.

Being peeked through the cracks

is also very trivial.

The other one is the 1990s

. I was actually

more interested in the first part (the 1960s)

when I watched it.

I wrote a review

and said that if the 1990s part

could add a lot of content about the

class-divided

social changes,

I think he was very interested in the 1990s part.

Those descriptions are a bit repetitive

and too much.

There are so many

things on each table. Anyway, there are no

good men and women.

Of course, there are some

good men

and women. They are all bad men and women.

Some paragraphs

are very wonderful.

Let us call this

whimsical

. Four people

live in a hotel and have to

draw lots.

You think

this is very exciting, right?

Then a few people were chatting in the courtyard

. A man and a woman suddenly disappeared

for a while.

Then they were still playing the pipa below,

saying that it was so quiet.

This is because

Wong Kar-wai was interested in that house in Lili Town. He

was originally planning to shoot this part. He

fell in love with this house.

I will insert a sentence,

but if It needs to be improved in terms of meaning,

because he wrote about the living conditions

of Shanghai

in the early 1960s,

which can be seen

from the ground map.

What kind of rich people

lived

on Nanchang Road and in that good area,

right?

A Bao's family

is a reality

, and Xiaomao Taotao

lived there as a worker. The human district

is why some people live in

the same city of Shanghai.

It’s not their parents’ fault, right?

Ah Bao and the others

are just family.

But the worker district lives like this.

Why do I feel so deeply about this?

Because my family

also lives on Beijing Road

near Maoming Road. I

was

a worker at Shanghai Iron and Steel Factory No. 8.

Shanghai Iron and Steel Factory

No. 8 was located at Wuning Road Bridge, where the Grand Sonnery Bell is located. This

was the environment where the workers I came into contact with in the factory

and my family lived.

This was

a very strong environment in Shanghai.

Wang Anyi wrote "The Passage" and "The Foundation of the Wall",

all of which wrote stories like this

. After decades of experience

between capitalists and workers,

she said that this big wall cannot be broken down.

Today, there are many left-wing theorists.

I am surprised

that they have not

expressed any opinions

on you this time

. My book "Flowers" seems

to be quite liked by

both the left and the right. This is why you

can't express your opinion ("no sound")

because Because

she talks about

the corruption in Shanghai in the 1990s,

which echoes

the ending of "Song of Everlasting Sorrow".

At the end of "Song of Everlasting Sorrow",

Shanghai's economy is developed

, but the society is declining.

It is not a cheering

TV series. The other thing

is that the TV series is a bit more

joyful.

I like it when Teacher Jin wrote this novel

. Qi said that

the most difficult part

is the beginning

. You have to accept this.

I think there is still a

serial writing method

, which is to write every day

, which is equivalent to live broadcasting every day.

It is also a column, right? At that time

, there was a website

called Nongtang.com, and

Shanghainese all over the world

were here. It tells

various stories

in Shanghainese

. At that time, there was something called the Internet

or a

website called the Internet, which

no longer exists.

Then I saw

that they were all talking about

Shanghai things.

It was quite new

to tell it in Shanghainese.

I also picked a name and added it to

the flower name. After I added it,

I called it "" "Go up to the attic alone." So

I went up

and saw an acquaintance

inside

talking about some

gossip about famous people.

I felt that this

was not appropriate.

I talked about

nameless gossip that I knew

was more interesting.

So I started to do it.

After that,

what difficulties did I encounter in the middle

? I started

writing casually and then it turned into saying

that I couldn't hold it in for a while

. When I couldn't take it anymore,

I

stopped for two days

because at

that time many people came up and

said

"

Uncle,

are you a so

- and-so's

vest?" Do you know who I am

?

Some people have already liked it,

so I said I will play for two or three days and

then I will go down.

Later, I felt

that this is the same thing.

I said that I accidentally wrote

three or four hundred words

one day , which is "Flowers". Now the beginning

is

full of dialogues, and they are not divided into lines.

That's it. It's

a comma, period, comma, period,

this paragraph of three to four hundred words.

I happened to be free that day.

When I saw

this way of writing,

I had never seen it before

. This is the most difficult time

for me. I was thinking of

one. You have to make an outline.

I want to start talking about it.

I can't stop it.

This is the first one.

The second one, how should I write it

? I think. When I write

in this way, I

get backlash

from others

because I write every day, which is about

1,500

to 3,000 words at that time. There are

quite a lot of

non-line

breaks. After that, some people below say,

please, please. He said

that one person said

that it made my eyes

fall. When he came,

I asked him if he could break it into separate lines.

I ignored him

because I realized

that

no one had ever written this way

before. Then he gave me his own

line

and pasted

it on his own line

. It turned into a script,

so A Bao said.

Then he said that

I should ignore him and

ignore him in the future.

I found that when

you talk about people,

you only need to get used to it to a certain extent

, so everyone who reads it will be used to it

. So just now Wen Tao said

that it is like entering a certain

language environment

, forcing you.

As long as you like to read,

you must accept this

tone

,

and then you get into it.

At this stage, it goes back and forth.

I have to get used to this way of writing and then

relax.

Because

I used to read some tabloids

in the May 4th era,

and there were a few old newspaper people

in Hong Kong. I must have inherited this tradition.

There was an old man

whose name I forgot.

He serialized

three columns,

three novels, and

three newspapers in one day. At that time, the paper

read and said

that I really admired

this old gentleman. This old gentleman

had a small meal at noon.

In the afternoon,

he started smoking.

He lay on the opium bed and smoked a big cigarette.

In fact, he was thinking.

Then there were three younger brothers

from the newspaper office waiting outside.

He finished smoking a bag. After smoking

, this boy would immediately bring a piece of paper over

and he would write a paragraph

quickly .

I estimate it would be about

seven or eight hundred words. Or

this kind of serialization

is not like the current serials.

After writing more, I would hand

it over to the boy

and run out to type.

Then the second boy would come and

write the second novel.

He had it all figured out in his head.

If you just enter this track and

I later understand,

it will be easy

because you live in this all day long

and other things.

This is called context.

You are like doing live broadcasts now.

He

is very anxious every day because of the first few days.

I have to come out tomorrow. What should I say?

Then after three Four days later, I think

I have been thinking about this thing all day long.

Each section, for example, with a blank line in the middle of

2,000 words

,

was put at

the end.

So at the end, it is different

from the ending of ordinary novels.

It is a little bit

different. Let me break

it down next time .

Deliberately

stop

suddenly or do this suddenly,

then

the people below will be very good

at waiting and

looking forward to it.

So there is Xiao Mao in the section

. The sister-in-law downstairs,

she asked Xiao Mao to come in.

She said it was too hot in summer

and she wanted to take a

bath. Xiao

Mao said,

"Bring me some soap

." After taking a shower,

Xiao Mao

stopped looking at her

and looked at the rain outside the window.

She said, Xiao Mao,

turn your head around and

help me get a piece of soap.

I stopped

at this place and

the people below were so

anxious that they

said oh

I'm just talking about things from the 1990s. It

's also in the novel. This is

also the case on the Internet

. I talked about this for three paragraphs

and then started to talk about the 1990s.

When it was compiled into a novel,

the editor came to this paragraph

and said

, you should continue it and forget it.

The soap took it and forgot it.

It’s interesting

. The most difficult thing is to use the finger

. What kind of language

do you set?

Look at

Jiahui. He originally wrote his novels

in Cantonese.

I also suggested it to him.

I said that

because Cantonese

and Shanghainese are different,

if you read Guangdong newspapers,

he doesn’t care about you

. He still uses some Cantonese

dialect words

for

me. Well,

I want to attract more people.

I want to

take away these dialect words,

but Cantonese people are used to it. When

I go to Guangzhou to read some newspapers,

I can’t understand some newspapers.

That’s because

I am an editor. As an

editor, I will

see some manuscripts coming over and

what else

will he write?

My judgment

on dialects is that if a Mandarin reader can't understand it,

I will ask him to revise it

or if he can't revise it,

I will help him revise it

. Teacher Jin gave me a good reminder

at that time

, so I revised it later.

Later, I discovered

that even if I am not Cantonese

, my language sense is

The sense of language in Cantonese

, so when readers read it, it

is obviously in standard Chinese.

My descriptions

, even some of my dialogues,

are in standard Chinese.

But after reading it, he

still feels that you are a Cantonese novel

, because you are a native speaker, so this is right

, so the problem of language sense

is equal to We southerners

are not from the dialect system

of the northern language family.

We all received

education in a second language,

which means that when our brains are about to write,

we immediately use the second language

to write this.

When I saw that everyone was writing in Shanghainese,

I started writing in Shanghainese

. And I edited

carefully not to use these

difficult words.

The only

happy thing I found after that is that

you can write dialogues

very fluently

because I use my mother tongue.

When I used to write novels and

dialogues in Mandarin, I

finished it today.

I will take a look at it tomorrow.

It seems that

there is always something to be modified

for the taste of two people's speech.

But if you write in your own mother tongue,

you don't have to worry at all

, and it will be

quite lively and

seems to be

very happy.

Moreover,

Teacher Xu,

Shanghainese people don't say "shuo", so

Shanghainese speak

"nongshuo".

"I tell"

why do you want to change it to "said"?

You rarely "speak".

In fact, what I am thinking is that

this novel can

be completely a storybook.

What does a

storybook mean

? It is a storyteller. You can

do it without changing a word.

If he can memorize it

, he can think

of it as storytelling.

So what is "shuo"?

In fact, the word

"shuo" is not spoken by Shanghainese.

I used

my father's

Shanghai dialect with Suzhou accent.

You see, "Yi Shuo (he/she speaks)"

means "shuo",

just like the beginning of the tanci,

the storyteller "shuo"

in Suzhou Tanci

.

"Shuo" is actually

a

pair of written words

.

"Shuo" is actually a dialect pair

.

For example, when I told

Teacher Zidong

that Wen Tao said

what Wen Tao said,

he would paraphrase it. I used "shuo"

, but literally when

he was talking, I used

the "shuo" of Mr. Storyteller.

"Said"

there is another thing

you don't need

exclamation marks and question marks

. At home, my father

has a book called "Selected Tang Poems from the Tang Dynasty".

It is the 1949 edition.

It also uses

the ancient arrangement

. For example, Tang poems

, Tang poems

, are not commas, periods, commas. Period,

it is a circle, a

circle, and a break.

This is the punctuation of China

. Why are ancient Chinese books

called "kei zhongke dot"?

There is no punctuation

in Chinese printing.

As you read, you

circle,

circle,

or sentence break

.

Then I want to create a kind of punctuation.

The characteristic of Chinese

is that

you have to use punctuation

, but the simplest Western punctuation

is comma and period.

So after I wrote this book,

there was a very authoritative editor in Shanghai at that time

, Mr. Hao Mingjian, the

editor-in-chief

of "Biting Words".

When Mr. Hao Mingjian met me,

he told

me with a straight face,

why do

you

not use

exclamation points

and question marks

in

the

novel

?

Because I find

fault with others

every day ,

but you can’t do anything when it comes to novels,

because in this

I thought to myself,

I want to commemorate

our traditional Chinese characters

, so as long as old books and poems

are mentioned in this book

, I will ask the editor

to arrange them into traditional Chinese characters

, which will look very good.

So I said that traditional Chinese characters

have one biggest flaw.

I told Chu Anmin,

the publisher of "Yin Ke" in Taiwan,

and I said that

I have now discovered

the shortcomings of traditional Chinese characters.

What shortcomings did he say?

I said that my novel

arrangement After the traditional Chinese characters are

converted into traditional Chinese characters

, the difference (simplified and traditional Chinese characters) will disappear

. They will all be the same.

Without this,

there will be no intertextual comparison,

because the main body is

all simplified Chinese characters,

and then suddenly the traditional Chinese characters will appear,

but when arranged in traditional Chinese characters,

there will be no difference at all

. So I have an obsession

with this

great literature.

I always feel

that a novel is really awesome.

It is not only about writing a good-looking story

, but also creating a language. If

this language experiment

is successful , how

is it possible to create a language?

People who are not in the literary field

don't quite understand

how important this

is.

Yes, but you can take my field as

an example.

What is creating a language

and its importance?

For example,

a hundred years ago

, not a hundred decades ago,

when I was the first

host, all of us

started

with a language.

What was it called?

Dear audience friends

hello

today we

are all like this.

We are all like this.

So you know

the first one to say

that everyone is here.

Today let's talk about

the first one. The host who said this

is amazing.

It means opening up a

new language

right?

So I said that this is a good comparison.

Moreover, there is a deep

sentiment in

this language

that I think is really

a kind of literati.

For example, someone noticed

this teacher Jin

's "Flowers".

He just spoke Shanghainese.

I also learned it from him

. It turns out that Shanghainese

also has different tones.

One of them

is that our place is related

to Soochow

University. The department

is Wumen, right? It’s

the Shanghainese dialect

with a Suzhou flavor.

Some people said that

they noticed this language in his "Flowers".

Some

people

who are

very sensitive

to language

noticed that

as

soon as

he wrote this place,

he seemed

to

slow

down

when

he

said

it

. My father has a Suzhou accent.

So why do I say that the Suzhou accent

is particularly

elegant

? Because

the

most elegant

drama

in

Suzhou is

Kunqu

Opera

. Kunqu Opera

is

from Suzhou

. It is

more elegant

than

Peking

Opera

.

It was because of the

Taiping Heavenly Kingdom that

half of the city of Suzhou was burned down.

There were also other

reasons for the concession in Shanghai

, so a large number of outstanding people

came to Shanghai.

In the era of "Biography of Flowers of Shanghai",

any girl who came to Shanghai

must learn from Su Bai.

Only after learning from Su Bai can you

meet guests.

You must sing

to be able to meet guests

. It

is a symbol of culture

to sing, sing,

play play play play

calligraphy, chess, calligraphy and painting,

because the people she receives

are

all

literati

, and they are not ordinary people

. And these literati,

their own marriages

are all arranged marriages,

some of them (wives) , some of them

are even illiterate

. The only way to communicate emotions

is

to have this language

, so "The Biography of Shanghai Flowers" was completely

translated by Zhang Ailing,

and it was completely Su Bai.

It was not in

Shanghai dialect

, but why later on,

the representative of Wu dialect

is Shanghai dialect.

Originally, it was

Suzhou dialect

. It was because Shanghai is a powerful

city like this.

After the background content was established,

Suzhou

lacked this aspect

and then it was withdrawn.

Did you read

the original version of

"The Legend of Shanghai Flowers" or the Mandarin

version

translated by Zhang Ailing?

I also watched

it. The narration is standard, that is

, all the dialogues

are in Suzhou dialect.

So in Suzhou dialect,

Nao

Nao is helpless.

To add a single comment

, many of

your words are

intact.

When he wrote this,

someone persuaded him

that this

was how you were back then.

He said, if

you use Su Bai to write this,

you will definitely not be able to print

it. You are sure that

you will not be able to sell many copies.

But as for this author,

he insisted that I want it,

and I will use this word.

As expected, he actually

did not print many copies of his book

while he was alive. At least

later, Hu Shi discovered that

this book was valuable.

At that time, there were two books called

"Dream of Prosperity on the Sea"

and "Biography of Flowers on the Sea".

This "Dream of Prosperity on the Sea"

was all written in written language

and was not written in dialect.

This book was the best seller at that time,

but the author of

"Biography of Flowers on the Sea" was called

Han Bangqing

. Han Bangqing, he

was dead. He was very early

and insisted on going his own way

. His magazine was called "Hai Qishu",

which was the first novel journal

in China in 1893. In

the history of literature,

he was the most important. Most of

the magazines he published

published his own novels

, so from here I realized

that language is my hometown.

So at this point,

Wong Kar-wai took photos

This drama has expanded the results so far .

This is the most obvious

.

According to me,

the biggest success of this TV series

is a big breakthrough in the use of dialects in literature.

There was a time when

Huyu was not on the stage

in Shanghai

. On

the one hand, the official did not encourage

many programs. If you want to use Huyu,

it will restrict it.

On the other hand,

Huyu itself restricts

Huyu. The performance program

is called funny.

This funny is one level lower than the cross talk.

Yao Mu Shuang Zhou Baichun is

one step lower

than Hou Baolin and others. They all

make a joke in the cross talk .

Everyone thinks this is very high-end

but

this is funny. Although the people like

it right

so when you speak Shanghainese

in the public sphere of Shanghai

, you become a

very mean person.

This is a big breakthrough for human beings.

It has affected dialects all over the country.

There are

many

articles about it now. For example, Guangdong and

Guangzhou have been debating

whether radio stations should be in Cantonese

or not,

instead of Mandarin.

The debate is very fierce.

Now you are in Guangzhou

and you can speak Cantonese

with confidence

because of "Flowers"

and they say you watch "Flowers"

Central The video broadcast

is right

and it is very successful.

Many people,

even northerners

, said to

me, what are you watching in the Shanghai version?

I also watch the Shanghai version

. Of course it is a must. In

the beginning ,

it was not the Shanghai Film Translation Factory

and all dubbing was done.

Later, I think it

is particularly good now that there is no dubbing. Yes,

we

have to listen to the original sound

even though we don’t understand it.

Just like

I just talked about Suzhou Pingtan

. When we filmed "Qiang" last time, "Qiang Xing Tian Xia"

I spent half an episode

on Suzhou Pingtan,

and I told him

that the taste of listening to it is

not about understanding what they sing

,

it is a way of life, you know.

I sat there and

listened to Suzhou Pingtan.

It is a kind of massage

. It is a bit decadent

and makes you feel Yili.

It makes you feel

that life is as plain as water and

there is nothing to worry about.

It is bland.