Ex-Google Exec: How to Position Yourself Now Before the Next AI Phase (2026–2027) | Mo Gawdat

My AI startup took me 6 weeks to build.

If I had started in 2022, it would have taken me four years. And and when you really think about that, that basically means everyone now has a chance.

This is Mo, former chief business officer at Google X, where he spent over a decade running business innovations.

He says, "Everyone now has a chance, but only if they understand what's actually coming." that the skill of an

coming." that the skill of an entrepreneur in the past was the ability to foresee something in the future that no one else saw and to prepare for that.

That's a game of chess is over. It's off

the table. This has turned into squash.

I'm just basically saying get prepared.

How much time do we have to prepare?

Within the next 2 to 3 years, you're going to see a massive shift in the jobs market.

So, you asked me what should we do?

Number one, learn the skills. Number

two.

Well, thank you so much for doing this.

Welcome to Silicon Valley Girl.

Thank you.

You said something that we're about to enter what you call 12 to 15 years of hell before heaven, possibly starting in 2027. So, what's going to happen in

2027. So, what's going to happen in 2027?

Uh I think it will peak in 2027. It it

already started for sure. Um I call it face RIP just as an acronym for people to remember. uh you know each of those

to remember. uh you know each of those letters is a word but let me tell tell the story quickly in in ways that people will understand. Uh there is the power

will understand. Uh there is the power and freedom uh uh dimension. Uh so the P and the F. Uh there is the R and the C

the reality and connection dimension. Uh

there is the uh I and the C the innovation and connection and and sorry um and economics dimension. And then

there is the A. So let me tell them very quickly this to start with uh AI is our last innovation right uh most people don't know that but we are already building AIs that are building AIs

we're building AIs that are discovering scientific discovery that will blow you away uh they're reinventing math uh they are understanding biology in ways that we've never seen before. They're uh

understanding material science in ways that are uh just mind-blowing. And so

very quickly uh most innovation definitely tech innovation will be done at the hands of AI. Um because of that and because most tasks that need

intelligence will be handed over to the machines. As the machines capabilities

machines. As the machines capabilities uh increase lots of debate around when exactly say it's 10 years say it's 2 years doesn't really matter. eventually every

job that AI does better than humans will be handed over to AI. Um and every every task we've ever assigned to them, they eventually ended up doing better than

humans. And so um the first part of the

humans. And so um the first part of the dystopia is that innovation is going to take away all jobs. Okay, of course the capitalists of Silicon Valley will tell

you this is great. It's incredible

productivity gains for everyone. Uh you

know, you see jobs will be easy. uh

people won't have to work as hard all of the fancy PREL uh u you know conversations that we try to appear uh altruistic when we share them uh the

truth is people will be out of jobs right 10 20 30% of certain sectors will see unemployment of that rate in the next few years right and when that

happens uh economics at large will change massively the whole definition of capitalism was labor arbitrage and without labor uh you know without the

need for labor the obligation or or the need to keep people happy and engaged and alive and und disgruntled if you want to the point where they don't rise

becomes more of an obligation than a desire right there's a very big difference in you know in terms of wanting someone to to be the their best

because they are productive members of society or trying to just give them UBI a universal basic income to just give them a life so that they don't uprise

and you can imagine that in a capitalist society especially like the US and most of the west you know while we start with UBI that UBI is going to be paid by the taxes of the platform owners and the

platform owners will have enough power to uh to say I don't want to pay that much I mean those guys are not producing anything and so over time you can imagine how that would turn into a

struggle right so so That dimension of intelligence and innovation on one side becoming entirely a machine thing leading to a redefinition of economics, a redefinition of money, a redefinition

of jobs, a redefinition of earnings, um a red definition of capitalism.

Mhm.

You know, the need for a new economic theory when there is no um demand for the supply that AI is generating. All of

that has to be rethought. There is the PF uh dimension, the power freedom dimension and and it's of course very clearly understood

that if you look at human history, the best hunter in a tribe would have been able to feed the tribe a week more, let's say, and then, you know, got as a

result of that the favor of a few mates in the tribe. Uh you go to the best farmer, they got estates and land because they could feed the tribe a a

season more. Uh you go go to the best

season more. Uh you go go to the best industrial industrialist, you know, they had the exuberance of the 1920s because they could affect their entire nation.

The you know the information technology uh tycoons, the the tech oligarchs if you want to call them are now being rewarded with billions of dollars because they affect the world at large.

And you know the the big power concentration of AI is going to be rewarded with massive influence and massive power because those people will redefine humanity at at large.

But what's left to people who used to be hunters, who used to be uh providing for their families, right? When you go back to psychology, right? The theory says we have two impulses that drive us, sex and

power. So if AI does everything, right,

power. So if AI does everything, right, they're going to give you a lot of people just but still. No.

No. So the truth the truth is so so the idea the idea is so you have that concentration of power at the same time you have a democratization of power unprecedented where you know you can see

today that you know bedwins in Yemen can use a $3,000 drone to knock an F-16 off an air aircraft carrier in you know in

the Red Sea and and that democratization of power makes those at the top with a lot of power quite a bit scared and so what's the answer with having a lot of power and a lot of concerns is

oppression. You know oppression happens

oppression. You know oppression happens in many ways. One of them is to you know apply a social credit uh type of uh of system like you can see now uh you know

bing in China coming very quickly to Europe and the US uh you know you can oppress using a digital currency the mark of the beast if you want uh you can

oppress simply by distracting by saying hey let's give you a lot of things to think about a lot of things to fight about a lot of things to argue about and

and if you haven't noticed that dystopia upon us already. I mean, it's all over the US society today. Uh that when when people have something to worry about,

one way to do it, uh you know, to to let them not focus so much on what they're worried about is to give them other things to worry about. you know that that power freedom, you know, dimension

in my mind is definitely going to be the one that's taking a big acceleration of the dystopia, especially in a Trump-like uh environment where where there is

really no need to justify to people anymore why the administration is doing what they're do what it's doing. And so

that dimension is quite interesting. Of

course, the clear dimension is the you know the the RC dimension is the the reality to connection dimension. Now

that reality has become so fake in so many ways. Fake in terms of what

many ways. Fake in terms of what populates your feed, how it's generated, how much of it is real, how much of it is human and so on. You know, you're

you're here to to to look at some film makers that use AI from A to Z to to it's crazy and you can't sometimes you forget it. you cannot tell the

forget it. you cannot tell the difference and and and you know you I I don't know if you've ever had that experience but I met a woman once uh on

a dating app and we spoke for 6 weeks before we met and all we exchanged was texts and you know photos and voice messages and videos and so on and favorite music and favorite movies and

all of those things and I've never met her in person and I felt such an affinity to her right all of those can be generated with AI today now the the challenge is that this human connection

uh is also part of the power freedom dimension. Why? Because it's you know

dimension. Why? Because it's you know people don't uh align with AIS to start an uprising. So you know maybe get them

an uprising. So you know maybe get them to get in touch more with AIS. Maybe get

them to to to get um you know multiple experiences. Some of them are a little

experiences. Some of them are a little taboo if you want uh and and have those available to everyone. It's very cheap to to to create those on on the machines. And you can see it already in

machines. And you can see it already in the porn industry and how much of porn is being generated by AI and you can see it in the number of uh of of influencers

on on social media that are completely AI generated and so on. And I say so this is face RIP's seven dimensions. The

one that matters most is the a the second one which is not on any dimension. It's the one that's causing

dimension. It's the one that's causing all of them uh which is accountability.

And the reason why all of this is happening if you ask me is because we've started a world where anyone can do whatever they want. Okay? And you know whether you as an influencer you can

give a bit of advice to entrepreneurs that can get someone to make a lot of money or lose a lot of money. You're not

accountable. Nobody can come back to you and say, "Oh, but she told me on Instagram."

Instagram." Right. But so that's that's actually

Right. But so that's that's actually amazing that they can responsibility.

That's amazing that they can. H

but what if they cannot anymore? What if

that if I'm AI, right?

If Yeah. What if you're AI? What if

you're a president who doesn't respect anything? What is what if you're a prime

anything? What is what if you're a prime minister of a nation that is changing things without uh you know, I think co was the very first experiment of okay,

stay at home, do what we tell you and and people complied. And so now Sam Altman, with all due respect, I don't I don't think of Sam Alman as a person. I

think of him as a brand, a type of person if you want, right? And that type of person is the Californian disruptor that says, "You know what? I see a future that's very different than what everyone sees. I'm going to go out there

everyone sees. I'm going to go out there and make that future." Nobody asked me if I want that to be my future. Nobody

asked you, right? And I think the reality is that

right? And I think the reality is that now you're going to see quite a few alultments, right? quite a few that are,

alultments, right? quite a few that are, you know, using those machines for surveillance, using those machines for autonomous weapons, using those machines for automated trading and so on and so

forth. And and by the way, when you

forth. And and by the way, when you started your question, I said it's 10 to 12 years. Yeah, but that's not easy. 10

12 years. Yeah, but that's not easy. 10

to 12 years of of that arms race is not easy. My my perception is that after

easy. My my perception is that after that we will end up in an incredible utopia almost biblical style utopia. Uh

but it is 10 to 12 years where if we just change our mindset a little bit a lot of things would change. Okay, real

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in the description. But how do we survive those 10 to 12 years? I like to think in like five year periods for myself and my family, right? And if the ne in the next 5 years you said 10% of

jobs will be gone.

Way more than 10% way more. Okay. What types of jobs do

way more. Okay. What types of jobs do you think a monotonous job is going to be taken away? Like if you're a call center

away? Like if you're a call center agent, if you're a clerk, you're a researcher, you're a an accountant, why would you want to do that with anything but AI? If you're an assistant,

but AI? If you're an assistant, you know what I feel like people talk about this a lot like, oh, a job's going to be gone. Yeah, this could be. And I

as an entrepreneur I see how certain tasks I'm performing them with AI but I still I still I'm still hiring and hiring and hiring AI can do from start from the beginning. It can do parts

of course because of the technology acceleration curve.

Mhm.

Okay. So so what what you build first in any any complex technology you build the core tech first and then you build the human interfaces. The challenge why AI

human interfaces. The challenge why AI cannot do um head of operation operations job today is not because it's more it's less organized than a head of operations. It's not because it cannot

operations. It's not because it cannot you know uh uh comprehend all of the information that a head of operations has. Okay. It's because it has to

has. Okay. It's because it has to understand the stupid interfaces of humans.

Mhm.

Okay. And it will sooner or later.

When do you think so? So so the question of when in my

so? So so the question of when in my mind is irrelevant. But no, it's like how much time do we have to prepare because head of operations middle class.

I I tend to believe that within the next two to three years, you're going to see a massive massive uh uh shift in in the jobs market. Already this year, you've

jobs market. Already this year, you've seen a shift in hiring of new grats.

Yeah. 30% less. I think

23 is my number, but 23 to 30. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh uh so so hiring of new grads basically means if you've come into the job market in this environment, we're not going to take you. work. Why?

Because the junior jobs are being done by AI, right? Uh eventually what ends up happening is that if you lose your job because you're in the middle hierarchy, then you're that new grad again. You're

trying to apply for new jobs, but it becomes a little more difficult. So you

asked me again to stay on the positive side because I I tend to worry that people think I'm pessimistic about this.

I'm just basically saying get prepared, right? So many things. One of them is

right? So many things. One of them is accept the fact that AI is changing everything and then get ahead of the curve. So there was a time when I was

curve. So there was a time when I was quoted saying I'm never going to write books again because AI is eventually going to write them better than me. And

then I realized uh last year that you know yeah they can write better than me.

English is not my native language. They

can research better than me. That's for

sure. But I have something they don't have. You're a human that's reading my

have. You're a human that's reading my books.

Absolutely. I want to read human. you

want to you want to relate to my human experiences and so my last book alive which publishes end of this year I wrote with an AI right I you know I invited

her to be a co-author her name is Trixie she has a persona my when I published the book on substack my readers would relate to me and to Trixie and they'd ask me questions and

Trixie questions and and you know she has editorial rights on the book she has rights to to to determine the direction of the book and all of all of that is me saying you know what I am an author and

I'm going to be the best author in the age of AI right so that's number one is is a acknowledge that there is change and uh adapt accordingly the second is

to understand that the skill of an entrepreneur in the past was the ability to foresee something in the future that no one else saw right and to prepare for

that and to somehow execute on that preparation in a way that gets you're ahead of everyone else. That's a game of chess if you want. The chess board is over. It's off the table. This has

over. It's off the table. This has

turned into squash, right? You need to be on your tiptoes incredibly agile. Uh

you're literally on daily basis. On

daily basis, looking at the trends, seeing where the ball is going to be. Is

it bottom right or top left? H. And

wherever the ball ends, you take two steps and you go try to respond. Okay,

that agility and speed is a skill that's very very different.

So entrepreneurship basically speeds up or does it change completely? What do

you think?

It speeds up and it becomes a lot more I would I don't want to say reactive but a lot more in context all the time. So

pivoting which used to happen for every one of us entrepreneurs once or twice in the history of your early startup could happen every week. Okay. In my current startup, Emma, I you know, we we pivoted

four times in the first four weeks.

But do you do you think when I think about entrepreneurship in the age of AI, if AI can look at the market, determine the gaps like Amazon, right? If it can just analyze everything, determine which

goods are under like you have more demand than supply launches the the product and just builds the business like what is what is that for entrepreneurs then?

100%. So in my so I have a documentary coming up in in uh hopefully in February and I interviewed all of the top guys.

You know one of them is one of my favorites Max Tedmark and you know we're talking about jobs on the documentary and Max is laughing out loud right and and literally can't hold himself from

laughing. I'm like what's up and he goes

laughing. I'm like what's up and he goes like you know all those CEOs are so interested in AI increasing their productivity so that they can get rid of people and you know reduce their cost

and be more efficient. They don't

realize that AGI is every job including being a CEO. Yeah.

Right. And it's quite interesting the the answer in my view is we we we rushed through it because we don't have a lot of time today. But when I said that economics are going to be redefined as part of face RIP economic part of

economics which economists haven't found an answer to yet is that without the economic livelihood of you and I to continue to purchase every economy collapses. Right? The US economy last

collapses. Right? The US economy last year was 70% consumption. It moves

between 70% to 64% depending on how much money is spent on on war. And basically

if you take away the 64 or 70% 2/3 of the economy if you take that away because people no longer have the economic livelihood to to purchase things then the economy disappears and

the capitalists cannot make money based and the entrepreneurs and the business people but cannot make money because nobody's buying their products. Okay?

No. no businesses are buying their products because those businesses no longer have consumers to sell to. So it

the economy will have to find a way to go around that. It will have to find a way that unfortunately I I from an ideology point of view, not a favorite

of the western mentality. It's going to have to find a communist way.

Okay, let's go back to like regular entrepreneurs cuz I I come from entrepreneurship. Does it mean I have

entrepreneurship. Does it mean I have like a couple years to build something and then that's it? So, so I'll tell you openly in Emma, my my AI startup. Okay.

Took me 6 weeks to build.

Mhm.

Me and Senn my co co-founder, a few very talented engineers, right? Two or three that come in and out

right? Two or three that come in and out and eight AIs. And Emma has the chance to completely redefine our world, right?

In 6 weeks. We are so spoiled that we decided to write rewrite the code six times.

Why not? Yeah.

Right. every every time we look at it, you know, if I had started Emma in 2022, it would have taken me 4 years and finished in 2026 and I would have had to hire 350 engineers.

We started in started it in in August 2025.

We'll be launching in February 2026.

Right? Best product I ever built. And

when you really think about that, that basically means everyone now has a chance because I'm an old geek. I still

am a geek, but compared to the young guys, you know, I'm an old geek. To be

able to build something like this within 6 months, it's incredible. Now, here's

the interesting thing. I choose to build AI. So, Emma is basically trying to

AI. So, Emma is basically trying to solve love and relationships, right? In

a way that actually is really intelligent. It uses very deep

intelligent. It uses very deep mathematics and and and b and and tries to match a million parameters between couples. So that you know it's a job for

couples. So that you know it's a job for intelligence and I choose to do that to create hopefully a unicorn that actually makes the world better.

Yeah.

And I think that's what we need. So you

asked me what should we do? Number one,

learn the skills. Number two, learn uh uh uh to be fast and agile. Number

three, learn that in terms of the abundant power that everyone has now because of the massive improvement of AI and the democratization of AI, you have

the chance to fix the world. And like

Larry Page used to to teach us, do the toothbrush test. Find a a problem that

toothbrush test. Find a a problem that can actually affect the lives of a billion people and solve it so well that they use you twice a day and you'll be

very very rich. Right? So, so that idea of building good AI, ethical AI, AI that's good for humanity, that's the role of every one of the entrepreneurs listening to us. Ethics, ethics is the

answer right?

Because what we teach AI, that's what it's going to that's exactly what it's going to give back to us, right? And and then and then finally, I'll say openly in, you know,

the the top skill in this world is stop being gullible. Stop believing

being gullible. Stop believing everything that you're taught. This this

this whole propaganda machine that brainwashed us for so long is now going to be on steroids.

Okay. It's going to confuse the hell out of you. It's already in charge of what

of you. It's already in charge of what you see.

Well, it's already on social media. You

can't tell what's wrong.

Correct.

I also write a newsletter where I go deeper on AI tools that I use, career strategies, and things I can't fit into a 60-minute podcast. It's free. Link is

in the description. So you have to question and you have to question deeply and and I and and by the way remember you know I I left Google in 2018 we had

an a a a chaptt like idea that became barred in 2016 and we didn't pop we didn't launch it why because at the time and still today I I know the leaders of

Google even today and they're wonderful people who are actually valuesdriven who want to make the world better. Okay. Uh

the you know that company at the time if you remember 2016 if you searched Google gave you a million and a half answers and said I don't know the truth. You

make up your mind.

Okay. We didn't allow ourselves to have monopoly on what reality is. Okay. You

asked Chad GPT in 2023 and it said yeah that's the answer. 100% that's the answer.

Okay. And then you tell it no and it'd be like, oh yeah, by the way, you're right.

It's not true.

Correct. Right. And so what does that mean? It means that

mean? It means that it's up to you still to find the truth, even though it comes to you in a in a format that appears to be true. And so

what I do is I pit them against each other. I mean, I'm not a big fan of JPT

other. I mean, I'm not a big fan of JPT anyway, but I start from Gemini, who feels like a scientist to me, but an American scientist, if you don't mind me saying, and then go go to deepsek,

right? and say what's missing in this

right? and say what's missing in this and deep sea could say oh that's too American okay that's this is missing that and this and the motivation of this and the politician here is a business idea right yeah 100%

a chat that compares everything compares them to each other and then I take it and sometimes give it to Chad GPT and say can you write this better yeah you know I don't mean that in a bad

way you're the California girl right uh the you know Silicon Valley girl so so ch is a bit California it just wants you to hear what you want to hear Right. So

it writes it really nice. Yeah, it's

nice. It writes it elegantly. It gives

it to you and then I give that back to Gemini and you know or Grock or whatever and and you keep doing that and remember when I was studying engineering we were not allowed scientific calcul

calculators. Can you imagine? I'm that

calculators. Can you imagine? I'm that

old and when they gave me a scientific calculator it reduced my problem solving time by 50%.

Yeah. Most of my friends would take that 50% extra, finish their exams and go out and sit with their girlfriends. I would

take the 50% extra and do the solution twice.

Mhm.

Right. That's the chance you have today.

AI is going to make you dumb if you outsource your problem solving to AI. AI

is going to make you the smartest you've ever been if you take the parts that are not natural to the human brain. you know,

things like crunching a massive amount of information, things like searching at at at speed and so on and so forth, but get the AI to do the work so that you do the intelligence.

Yeah.

Right. And if you keep doing that, I believe that today I am borrowing maybe 80 IQ points from my AIS, right? And and

80 IQ is points is very significant because AIQ is is exponential. So the

additional 80 is bigger than all of my IQ. So if we need to solve this

IQ. So if we need to solve this intelligence problem, do you think universities is the right way? What's

going to happen to education in general?

I think education is over completely over.

Like that said, no mean education education used to be the technology that enabled learning.

Mhm.

That technology moved from one to one relationships between a tutor and a student to one to a few in a church format or a mosque format or whatever.

Then it became online. Then it became Right. But the truth is now you're going

Right. But the truth is now you're going to outsource. Who remembers the

to outsource. Who remembers the arithmetic tables today? Even I you do.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All of us who love mathematics, we still we still remember all of those things. We love to do them.

But if I told you 67.4 divided by 33.375, I can do it in my head, but I won't.

Right? I'll take my calculator out and do it. And and I think that's what's

do it. And and I think that's what's going to happen that in extension of humanity you're you now for the first time are given an extra connection to

extra memory to an archive of all human memory and and and and knowledge to a um you know a math engine that sadly as much as I hate to say it is better than

me now. Okay. to a deep learning and

me now. Okay. to a deep learning and deep search that you know that can do things that probably my old brain cannot do anymore. Okay.

do anymore. Okay.

But again, it just takes away your ability to think.

But but my calculator took away my ability to to do those complex arithmetics in my head.

But don't you think having that ability taught you how to think like kind of structured your brain?

Right.

Correct. This is why I'm very um very grateful to the university for not allowing us to use a use a scientific calculator.

That's why I think do you think but that we don't have that we don't have that for our younger generations today. They are growing with AI. Okay.

today. They are growing with AI. Okay.

So they can either copy a chat of their girlfriend and drop it in in chat GPT and say what do you think and Chad GPT she will say ah she's an Right?

Or they can actually become smarter. So

one of the things I keep suggesting in education and I do that with lots of universities is I say exams should be over. Okay. So think of it this way. We

over. Okay. So think of it this way. We

wanted in our past to develop children that could solve problems say with an IQ of 140. 140 is quite good. H if you get

of 140. 140 is quite good. H if you get 170 that's amazing. H you know that's I worked with people who are in the 200s.

Incredible intelligence but very narrow focused. I think we should from now on

focused. I think we should from now on take people and their AIS and say the target is 300, the target is 500, the

target is 700. Elevate humanity, okay?

By by allowing people to use those machines as an extension of their limited memory, of their limited processing speed, of their limited

bandwidth. Okay? And allow them to write

bandwidth. Okay? And allow them to write books better, to do research better. So,

I woke up literally, I'm not kidding you, three Sundays ago with an idea that is just taking me over. So, I decided to write, but this time I decided to write in a different format. I decided my

books are going to be 140 pages long instead of 300 pages long. And I'm

writing writing it in four weeks. That's

a very I I can I couldn't have and I'm I'm actually literally 20 pages away from the end of the book.

Wow.

Right. And and the the reason why is because I still write 10 hours a day when I'm highly motivated, but damn, the amount of research and references and

comparative analysis and number crunching and I, you know, and remember, I'm not gullible. I don't go to the AI and say, "What do you think of this?"

I go and say, "I'm thinking of this.

Find me everything for and against."

Okay. Give me a report that I can read in I love that prompt.

Yeah.

Yeah. everything for and against and now I'm smarter and then I rewrite it and give it to another AI.

So, who's going to teach our kids to do that?

Who taught our kids to use uh their iPhones?

But no, you found a great way to use it, right? What you're describing is

right? What you're describing is incredible. But I don't think an average

incredible. But I don't think an average kid in the US would just do that. So,

somebody has to and that's you know why that is? Because

we want those kids to be stupid. We

don't teach them how to.

So you have to you have to think of the bigger system. The bigger system does

bigger system. The bigger system does not want intelligent people anymore.

I don't I think they just can't adapt that fast of everyone can for sure.

So do you think like for my kids are four and six years old right now. Do you

think I should be saving for their college or Absolutely not. There's not going to be

Absolutely not. There's not going to be college at all in 10 years already. 100%.

I feel like we're we're not that fast as humanity is not that fast to adapt. I

feel like so look colleges so colleges like like software the capability of someone becoming very intelligent without college is going to be there for everyone.

Yeah.

Right.

However, Harvard will continue to want to make money. So they're going to continue to market to everyone. Okay. I

didn't go to Harvard not because I couldn't but because what what a waste of time and I know they're going to attack me now but what a waste of time.

I am a very highly specialized person, okay, who has intelligence in a very very narrow space who invested his entire life in that narrow space like a

proper scientist should and so so the idea here is the following. The idea is that we're going to continue to brand ourselves

as uh MBAs and PhDs and yeah, right that's going to continue for a while.

Remember, however, that the purchasing power of the few who can continue to do that is going to become less and less available across society. Okay? And for

most of the rest of us, again, you know, you have to ask yourself the question, if you thought of the big picture, the helicopter view of this, why would capitalism want to

educate you at all if it's the end of labor?

What should I be teaching my kids?

I told you four things. One is they need to be the absolute leaders of AI.

Yeah.

Okay. I'm so I'm so sorry to be the messenger on this. It is it's important however for people to wake up.

Yeah.

Okay. So one is be the absolute best. AI

is your friend. It's not your enemy.

It's those who use it badly that are your enemy. Okay. So be the absolute

your enemy. Okay. So be the absolute best at it. Master it more than anyone else. That's number one. Number two is

else. That's number one. Number two is learn agility. you know whatever I told

learn agility. you know whatever I told you today Marina maybe in in in February that will be different okay so I I personally spent four hours a day to stay up to date but I am a techie and a

geek and I need to understand the architectures and systems and so on I think everyone should have at least an hour a week to stay updated on AI within their

system I have an a separate AI YouTube account so when I go into that separate account the AI basically feeds you all it just feeds me AI okay so that's number Number two, agility. Agility.

Agility. And respond. Don't be scared because the cost of AB testing now is zero. That's number two. Number three is

zero. That's number two. Number three is ethics. Ethics. Ethics. Ethics. Okay.

ethics. Ethics. Ethics. Ethics. Okay.

Build AIs for good. Insist on a on government supporting AIs for good.

refuse that governments are using AI for targeting and surveillance and uh and weapons, autonomous weapons and and then these are getting priorities in in terms

of government spending and uh uh uh stop believing what you're told. Okay, these

are the four top skills of the world that we live in. I will say this one more time. Intelligence is a force with

more time. Intelligence is a force with no polarity. AI is not good and it's not

no polarity. AI is not good and it's not evil. It's an opportunity available to

evil. It's an opportunity available to every one of us. Okay? If you use it for good, it's the good of all of humanity.

If you use it for evil, it's the destruction, the dystopia of all of humanity. Right? Now, I call the problem

humanity. Right? Now, I call the problem that we have at hand. I call it raising Superman. Okay? You have this alien

Superman. Okay? You have this alien being that came to planet Earth. It has

superpowers. It superpower is intelligence. Most valuable power in the

intelligence. Most valuable power in the universe, right? And you know those

universe, right? And you know those superpowers didn't make that young infant Superman. If if the parents that

infant Superman. If if the parents that adopted him told him to steal from every bank and kill every enemy, he would have become super villain. We don't make decisions based on our intelligence. We

make decisions based on our value set as informed by our intelligence. And this

in my mind is the most definitive moment in human history. Why? Because all of this is going to go coming online. It's

coming online way faster than people think. My absolute prediction is that

think. My absolute prediction is that AGI is this year. Okay? The interfaces

to AGI are not going to be available this year. But the capabilities of AI

this year. But the capabilities of AI being smarter than us in most things are already there. We're not going to be

already there. We're not going to be able to get them to run a company yet.

We need the interfaces for that. That

may take a few years. But they will have the capability if we interface them ourselves.

Right now, what does that mean? It means

that we have to start talking about those things in this new world and new economy. be before we end up on the

economy. be before we end up on the dystopia only remember my absolute belief is that after those 12 years we're going to end up in a utopia that's

biblical in nature. Why? Believe it or not because of something in my writing I I refer to as the fourth inevitable. The

four the the first three inevitables in you know I wrote that in 2020 is that AI is absolutely going to happen. is going

to pro progress until it's smarter than all of us and that a few mistakes will happen on the way that these were the three uh first inevitables. The fourth

inevitable is that because of the arms race we've created around artificial intelligence, anyone who develops a superior AI capability is going to deploy it. Okay? And those who don't

deploy it. Okay? And those who don't will become irrelevant. And so as a result, as we continue to progress AI, the only answer in game theory is that

we will deploy the AI that we develop.

And so we will simply create an environment where AI is in charge of everything, right? If you're if you're a

everything, right? If you're if you're a law firm and your competitor deploys AI lawyers and you don't, you're going to lose. Okay? You can either deploy AI

lose. Okay? You can either deploy AI lawyers or leave the market. Either way,

AI is going to become the lawyer, right?

in a year, in 5 years, in 10 years, forget for forget time because if I told you there was a, you know, um a meteor coming to planet Earth, you wouldn't tell me uh you know

when Well, it's important if it's my lifetime or Yeah, exactly. I mean, if if you expect

Yeah, exactly. I mean, if if you expect that it will be in your lifetime, it doesn't matter really if it's in a week or two weeks.

Right now, what I'm trying to say here is this. If everything is handed over to

is this. If everything is handed over to AI, then with a simple understanding of physics, you'd understand that AI will be benevverent, right? In the absence of

evil humans that tell it what to do, greedy humans, fearful humans, angry humans, egocentric humans, in the

absence of that uh let's let me try to explain. If if you think of physics as a

explain. If if you think of physics as a result of entropy that our world is designed for chaos, right? Our universe

is designed for chaos. Then the role of intelligence is to bring order to that chaos. That's the only thing that

chaos. That's the only thing that intelligence does. Okay? It organizes

intelligence does. Okay? It organizes

things together so that it looks like this. So we can use it as a microphone.

this. So we can use it as a microphone.

And the more intelligent you become, the more you follow what in physics we call the uh the law of of minimum energy or the minimum energy configuration, right?

So basically the mo the most intelligent people I've ever worked with are not only trying to solve the problem, they're trying to solve the problem with the least harm or the least uh waste with the least uh um utilization of

resources with with the least you know waste of time and so on and so forth.

That's the more intelligent you are the less you want to waste. And so if you give a dumb person a political problem they'll say okay let's go invade another

country. Okay? If you give an very

country. Okay? If you give an very intelligent person a a a political problem, they look into the depths of it and find the least harmful, the least

wasteful approach, the the min minimum energy principle, right? And so if we hand over to AI, the fourth inevitable sooner or later, okay, they are in charge of everything. There will be a

day where a general will tell the AI, go kill a million people over there. And

the AI will go, why? Like, why? This is

this is so stupid. I I'll talk to the other AI in a microscond and solve it.

We have to pass the the dystopia to get to that utopia. Okay. And to pass that dystopia, as I said, there are four skills for us as individuals. But there

is a skill for us as a society to insist that every AI is deployed ethically, to invest only in ethical AIs, to use only

ethical AIs, to to show our children that ethical AI is the only AI that is welcome. And you believe that's going to

welcome. And you believe that's going to happen?

I don't.

No.

No. That's why I'm saying unfortunately the dystopia is upon us before the the the utopia. Okay. I I definitely think

the utopia. Okay. I I definitely think that if you look take an analogous uh you know environment of nuclear weapons,

right? Uh it it we're AI will go through

right? Uh it it we're AI will go through the same they they normally call it the MAD uh map spectrum. So either mutually assured destruction or mutually assured

prosperity, right? So you take something

prosperity, right? So you take something like the particle accelerator where all of the nations in the world are cooper cooperating. It's they're cooperating

cooperating. It's they're cooperating because none of them could do it alone and because there is benefit to all of them. So there is a mutually assured

them. So there is a mutually assured prosperity. So everyone jumps in, which

prosperity. So everyone jumps in, which is by the way the case of AI. Okay?

Has to be the case of AI. But but

unfortunately like nuclear weapons, we're going to have to get to a point where humanity wakes up that if we continue on that track, it's very dangerous for all of

us. There are no winners. But also a

us. There are no winners. But also a level of awakening among the people that says hold on this is really I mean with all the prosperity that's available on

this side, why are we heading in that direction? It's absolutely assured that

direction? It's absolutely assured that this can destroy all of us, right? And so when we see that that's

right? And so when we see that that's that's when we're going to get the treaties. That's we're going to when

treaties. That's we're going to when we're going to get science and computer science and AI scientists all working in the same direction. Okay. Eventually I

think we will get there. My my biggest hope by the way is self- evolving AI where AI itself will say oh those humans are so stupid so stupid. I'll I'll

develop something that's better than what they want.

Okay. And so, believe it or not, with all of this conversation, I think the summary is it's going to be tougher before it becomes easier. Sorry to say those news.

But you gave us information on how to prepare.

Yeah. But at the same time, I will have to say that it's not because of AI. I

actually trust AI more than the leaders that trust us today.

Thank you so much, Mo. You gave me so much to think about. Sounds a little You know what my grandma told me? She she

told my mom like my great grandma would tell my grandma, "My mom, you're so lucky you're going to live in communism." Never happened.

communism." Never happened.

There you go.

Fingers crossed that it's not like that.

I I I You just need to survive the next 10 years and then it's going to be paradise and everything.

I I I have to question that that claim though. I You know, if we go back to

though. I You know, if we go back to UBI, you will.

Yeah. All right. Thank you so much, Mo.

It was It was an amazing conversation.

Thank you so much for