H.E. Dilgo Khyentse Yangsi Rinpoche Reveals Inside Story | Naked Mindfulness

[music] >> Naked mindfulness with Rishabh Koirala.

Namaste and welcome back to Naked Mindfulness. A space where we explore

Mindfulness. A space where we explore raw, honest conversation about the mind and human experience.

Uh and deeper truths of life through the lens of awareness and wisdom.

Uh today's episode is not just about spirituality.

It's about what it truly means to be a human, to feel, to struggle, to question, and to grow.

We are deeply honored and feel lucky to have uh Dilgo Khyentse Yangsi Rinpoche, uh a spiritual leader who brings not just deep wisdom, but also a very honest

and human perspective on life.

Welcome to the podcast, Rinpoche.

Thank you so much for inviting me.

My own Nepali isn't that good, so I will mix Nepali and English. I hope you don't mind and I hope the viewers don't mind.

And also same time all our Nepali Buddhist Thank you.

All of you are also disciples of Chögyal Rinpoche and Chögyal Rinpoche is disciple of Shamar Rinpoche who I am personally very connected to and my late

father Jigme Chögyal Rinpoche was very connected to, very close with Shamar Rinpoche. So, it's a very wonderful

Rinpoche. So, it's a very wonderful situation, I must say, and I'm very grateful for this opportunity.

I listen mainly I am I would not say I always feel it's very uncomfortable and rude, you know, like from my perspective to say

I'm busy. My father used to always tell

I'm busy. My father used to always tell me, late father used to always say never tell people you're busy. Just tell

people you have something to do. Tell

them what you're doing. If not, just say that I'm, you know, I'm just in my room.

Because I like that idea to give time for each other, to be to open your doors for anyone and to give opportunity to anyone and treat everyone equally with respect and care. It's

about the most important. So, that's why uh nowadays I'm just mostly focus on my own practice.

And then I'm just now doing a small uh movie in Bhutan.

It is a crazy idea. It's just kind of popped up in my mind.

And I've asked my friends, close friends, to help me with this. It's very

low budget.

No professionalism in this. Everyone is

just normal people, most of my friends.

So, the movie is so called Karuna Maya.

I wanted to highlight in the 1980s in the olden day time um family values, our Nepali culture,

family value, and the simplicity and integrity that we have.

And in the past, I believe that it was more emphasized since uh we were not um influenced and corrupted by modern

technology and human greed.

Because those days I feel people were very um content with what they had.

Yeah, so I wanted to highlight that.

We hope successful that project. Thank

you so much.

Just say beyond all the titles and responsibilities who are you as a human being today?

Basic point I think I would say I'm just a human being. Um

Try my very best to only do two things.

I always like to tell myself basically uh I mean um give answer life more choice than daily so

that are choice cool decision going to go time more long so I got to do this so there's no um regrets later.

So, my life wish and want is only two. As a human, I want to be the best

um best version of a human. And in the Dharma, Dharma Shiksa, and Dharma meditation uh department, I wish and want to do my best to practice,

receive teaching, practice, and meditate. These are the only two. And

meditate. These are the only two. And

as a person, I would say I am very uh direct my with myself.

And I also appreciate um other people being direct to me.

I I would say I would say that I'm also a little bit sometimes a complex thinker and a deep thinker.

Um and I always express whatever I have in my mind. So, this is what I would describe

mind. So, this is what I would describe of myself.

I just wanted to know that what does a normal day in your life look like mentally, emotionally, and spiritually? And you

can also say what they do is so people they, you know, they think that guru uh yeah practitioner by which they

should always be, you know, peaceful.

So, to push it, but I just want to know.

As being a man she there's always going to be um human tendencies, human habits, human greed, and human

um emotions. So

emotions. So it's like I would say there are many the truth is there are many Rinpoches that um

the who have the title and name of Rinpoche, but uh as a human may may not be the best people. I don't want to judge, but

people. I don't want to judge, but that is a reality and truth because at the end of the day they are all humans.

Uh it is their choice to be a genuine human being or not a genuine human being.

And but from all of these Rinpoches, I would say quite a number of handful of Rinpoches, I would say

extremely authentic. I was very lucky in

extremely authentic. I was very lucky in my lifetime to meet such authentic, genuine Rinpoches and genuine gurus, genuine uh

give answer yogis.

So this is what I would say, but um my life situation is quite simple. I try

my best to wake up um around maybe 5:00. Once I wake up I see I would do my best, so I get up

shower and do my meditation practice.

Morning call give answer practice, morning call prayer call.

Uh after that then make my own coffee and tea green tea and then my day goes on.

I have to meet people. People will come locally Nepali people, Sherpas, Tamangs, Dolpas, Newars.

And then sometime maybe Westerners.

Whatever they ask, then I do my best to fulfill that wish for them.

I don't see that of myself as such a great like Bhagwan, but I see that as a opportunity at least to um

contribute a small amount of my effort in the society in the best way possible. And then of course I have my evening uh Mahakal call puja.

And Dharma protector call puja call call puja. That would be around 6:00 p.m.

puja. That would be around 6:00 p.m.

Then after that I like to watch some documentaries and maybe some interesting movies that I like and then sleep.

So, that's what spiritual you know, my daily life look like. Not not in a theory. It's a practical.

theory. It's a practical.

So, uh uh you have walked a unique path. So, I

was very curious to uh know that you have experienced experienced both the uh monastic life and more independent yogi

path.

So, um what is a real difference between the two of the life?

So, uh Rishabh is like this.

>> [clears throat] >> Give one's up.

Um Uh curriculum or situation or very far except you know when you as you know there is a system that we have to follow. It's a structure.

follow. It's a structure.

Um It's a like a living school. You know

just so so in the Gomba I'm grateful because I was exposed to many things such as studies, Dharma study,

uh classes.

Uh Puja Ruko study all that I learned and also I took some time also.

Not because I'm so attached to Gomba and I want a Gomba personally but I wanted to contribute to the Gomba.

Shechin Gomba and Shechin Nunnery in Bhutan. So I did a 5-year kind of a

Bhutan. So I did a 5-year kind of a management work to experience to get experience and leadership skills and to also contribute back.

I'm very content with that and after that of course uh Shechin Gomba and uh Shechin Gomba Nunnery or something they have taken care of

themselves by Shechin Rinpoche so then I I kind of came out of that situation.

But also at the same time as you know in Gomba just like a very big organization there is a lot of >> [sighs]

>> and um as we say in English there is no end to human greed. So

human greed. So ego, ego trip, Dharma politics, greed, selfishness, fakery, cunningness all of

that is there and then money, power um fame, authority all of that is there and it's too much corruption and too much of >> [snorts]

>> uh contamination is there and sometimes you get quite shocked thinking this is the Dharma Gomba Manchi is a beta beta

answer for Dharma Shiksha, for sanctuary but yet Gomba Gombita Manchi or is to go to say is to Man but I used to touch you know what I know we

wonder. Of course if I say this many

wonder. Of course if I say this many people will be upset with me and um be angry with me but that's fine. I can

accept anger and hatred but that that is the truth you know I've seen that for so many years in my lifetime. I'm not trying to talk bad and

lifetime. I'm not trying to talk bad and you know say bad things about the monastery that are not true. I'm just

speaking the truth.

And through seeing all of this in my eyes and observation it just kind of made me feel like I want to practice the actual Dharma and actual

uh Dharma path. So

when I was uh I mean MNI was kind of like removed from the Gomba they asked me to leave um because of many

situation and disagreements um I took many years and also that time period of time I was taking care of my late father he was unwell with my brothers and sisters and my

mother and then I also took time to practice Dharma retreat, receive teachings so it was a journey that was very hard I would say but

it taught me such a priceless lesson and taught me to in it inspired me to be a genuine human being and not to fall

into those traps.

It's very easy to fall into the traps of power, money, fame, authority, fakery.

Yeah.

Just say I mean used to Puja Garchu deities are visualized Garchu.

They put it to Gura with the heresy Kikurama Kome Kokarane you something Gura by the slack season.

Mhm.

You mean during Puja or meditation or visualization >> Even that uh we lack the moral ethics. So why is the reason?

You watch and give answer uh Rishabh is a bit like it's a bit messy but it's in a way like saying >> [sighs and gasps] >> I think people like to generalize a lot

of things. So the generalization is

of things. So the generalization is what Gomba or Lama or Khempo or what they say is usually they say to the local people, Nepali people of course

are saying the weather Dharma Shiksha going to pass out Dharma meditation going to pass out practice going to pass out I mean you go to Gomba culture or preserve going to pass out.

It's to money good time mother is very easy to say that but I always say are you the example of that? If you don't have the level

and the depth and the weight of being of that example you can't just tell people do this do that do this then people are not stupid and blind people will look at you and say the way they say is to go to go to the

way they say is to follow go to go to you know how many are is to order going to pass out why are you telling us to do this?

And we always say uh in Tibetan if you are alcoholic don't ever point to someone else say don't drink alcohol. You're alcoholic

drink alcohol. You're alcoholic yourself. First

yourself. First take care of yourself then move on you know. So it's a very generalization where

Dharma Puja Rupchan Lama dance all of this is becoming a generalization tradition but the in-depth practice I would say nowadays is getting very lesser and

lesser. Of course many people

lesser. Of course many people blame the modern day but I don't blame just the modern uh modern age. I would

also say it's also uh depending on individual people's choices. Do they

choose to do the right way right path or do you choose to follow the wrong path? It's all in your hands you know you all in your hands.

Don't blame someone else or something else as a excuse.

So as you said uh it's right what is right and what is wrong.

I had always I was curious about this question like sometimes my right is someone's wrong Mhm.

>> [clears throat] >> and someone's wrong is my right.

>> Mhm. So

how to really find what is right and what is wrong?

I think important thing is um for example like Rishabh if you say your right is someone wrong your right will never be

wrong for anyone else.

If that right is the um truth actual genuine truth raw truth you know um

as we say integrity and dignity is far more priceless than anything else in this world. So just

like that if the if the right is truth there's no going wrong on that. Some

people like to say everything is a lot bad and good and right and wrong maybe for some people's view >> [sighs and gasps]

>> but there are such thing as doing bad, doing harmful, doing negative and doing positive and doing genuine. So there is a

genuine. So there is a ethics and um division of such element. I personally

believe that very strongly and that's one thing I feel a human beings should be driven by. Follow the right ethics

driven by. Follow the right ethics follow the right way not the wrong way.

So uh talking about this and how does you know like Karma judge whether an action is good or bad?

I like the American saying what goes around comes around. I think that's very true.

When people get carried away and they think in their mind um you know life mother Kikurama Kikurani something Kikurama um

it won't matter say but that's not true.

Whatever you do in your life whatever you think you say whatever motivation you have intentions you have it will replay back to you.

Mhm. Yeah there's always the replay back. You know I like to call Karma

back. You know I like to call Karma it's like um I think in Nepali I don't know if it's in Nepali or Indian

uh there's this uh insect um I think the name for that is a bichu scorpion

I call it Nepali is is it called bichu?

bichi Nepali bichi Kina I call Karma as bichi is because it has the tail with the stinger with the venom

so even the insect looks like okay to touch always it will hit back with its tail in the venom. So just like that when people feel like Karma the one day in a Karma the doesn't even exist they

think like that oh no it will hit back to you. There's always

that hitting back coming back to you.

So I feel that people should be quite careful and I feel that Karma is not just a religious or spiritual belief but it's a mother nature Kikurama rules and

regulation to follow for all human beings and everyone with the conscious mind, of course, you know. Yeah.

know. Yeah.

Conscious mind is very important.

Exactly. But even like when we see in the animals, you know, give answer Rishabh. Sometimes when we watch

Rishabh. Sometimes when we watch documentaries of animals, when one animal attacks another, the one who is attacking later on in

their life, if it's a male or female, lion or tiger or bear, whatever they may be, their opponent will come back and attack them back. So, there's always this vicious cycle is always there. What

goes will come back. Just for human beings, of course.

That's interesting.

So, uh like you talked about uh anger and anxiety uh before. Uh

before. Uh you openly talk about emotions like uh you know, anger, anxiety, and uh desire.

So, uh why is it important for a teacher to experience this deeply?

For a teacher or a Guruji or a master or a Rinpoche, without experiencing the depth of human emotion in their own self, they will

never know what it means to be suffering, to have pain, to be lost, to have depression, anxiety.

Because having that, you understand how to deal with it, how to come with it, how to come back to reality.

Because when you have very deep anxiety and depression, you really feel like you are almost dying inside. Internally you

feel like you're dying.

Then you come back to your own senses.

So, it's I think very important for Gurus and masters and practitioners, you know, in generally must experience all of this.

Excuse me. It's like very easy to sit in their own respectable room comfortably and safely and say, "Oh, I I pray for all Hamro K Bansa Senti

being Sapeli uh Man Bitan [clears throat] Ni uh K Bansa Corona and compassion and Ganu Parsi is very easy to say that. Very easy. But when you are

in that depth of suffering and pain, then it's a different matter, different situation. So, I am grateful for all the

situation. So, I am grateful for all the sufferings I've experienced in my life because it has helped me to kind of understand many things in the depth. Yeah.

depth. Yeah.

And then when somebody comes to you and says, "Oh, you know, I'm in great pain or suffering." Then you don't just

or suffering." Then you don't just look at them and say, "Oh, yeah, go and Wata Janu do meditation."

do meditation." That doesn't work. Yeah. You have to sit down. Let them talk. Let them speak to

down. Let them talk. Let them speak to you. Yeah. So, I feel like it's very

you. Yeah. So, I feel like it's very important.

>> I was about to ask that question. Just

take a question like uh uh K Bansa uh to desirely choyu. Mhm.

choyu. Mhm.

Uh how can uh someone who is a practitioner accept natural desire without letting them take control over you?

Oh, K Bansa Rishabh, that's a very complex question because um it's a very big matter.

Why I say this is because um there as you know, in desire department of desire, there are so many different desires. Desires for yourself,

desires. Desires for yourself, for uh opposite uh partner, um you know, man or woman or whatever it

is, or for wealth, power, fame, money, politics, for greed. There are so many different levels.

So, it's a very tricky matter.

I think desire needs to be dealt with by being honest to yourself. Yes, I have desire and attachment. I need to be mindful of it. Because the more desire

you have, the more harm it does. It's

like we say, if you touch uh uh uh K Bansa those plants that have a lot of spike.

If you touch it and squeeze it, only thing that is damaging is your own hand and finger, and you are in pain, not the tree. So, desire is like a tree with spikes. And you are Yeah, like a

with spikes. And you are Yeah, like a cactus. Yes, correct. And then you are

cactus. Yes, correct. And then you are squeezing it so tightly saying, "Oh, this is so good. This is ultimate. This

is happiness and joy and positive, whatever." All of this You're telling

whatever." All of this You're telling that to yourself. You're fooling

yourself because the more you do this, it cuts through. And that happened to me

cuts through. And that happened to me because in the past, when I was in the Gompa and being a you know, like we say in Nepali, Autari Lama, you know? Then you know, I got all

of this um how to say, very high level treatment, um VIP treatment, and meeting dignitaries and royal families of

Bhutan, of course. And then

getting police escort in in Bhutan, all that. For me, I always felt like this is

that. For me, I always felt like this is very uncomfortable for me.

I appreciate the connections who I'm making nowadays through my previous Tenga Chosa Rinpoche uh Baila Go Hamro Tenga Chosa Rinpoche,

but this whole life of luxury and power and politics and fame and fake it in whatever I was doing those days, it was always going to be

somebody will film it or take pictures and say, "Oh, so-and-so Tenga Chosa Rinpoche and say did this so compassionate Guru, whatever."

Everything felt like a fake world, not authentic world. So, for me, I felt like

authentic world. So, for me, I felt like this is absolutely not what I want.

So, slowly slowly I broke down. I

removed all of this out of me because I really the genuine truth is I don't want to end up a person like that. So, attached to all of this.

I looked at my father. I looked at the Lamas and Gurujis who I've met, and they have no attachment to all of any of that.

And that when I look at it, then I felt that is what I aspire. That is what I want to do.

Because to do that, it really takes a big sacrifice.

So, that's what I really told myself, you know. At what is that clicked in

you know. At what is that clicked in your mind?

It happened to me when I was around 14.

The first time it kind of clicked. Yeah.

Then slowly slowly slowly slowly, you know, I pursued it.

So, I would say it's a very tricky matter, this situation and desire.

Uh I was I was having desire with all of this. Now,

this. Now, through all what I went through, do I have desire for all? No.

Not really. But of course, I have to be honest. Um

I have desire still, you know.

Um desire for drinking coffee, desire to eat meat, and sometimes desire to maybe have a comfortable you know, uh

bed to sleep in. Sometimes when I see beautiful girl on the street, I have desire thinking, "Oh, so beautiful. Wish

I can be with them." So,

I have that. I'm not proud of it, of course.

But I am working on it.

Uh I have to be all honest, you know. I

can't just lie by saying I am Buddha Dipankara. I don't have any of that. So,

Dipankara. I don't have any of that. So,

of course, that would be a complete lie.

So, how can that desire be Should that desire be controlled or should that be transformed? I think if you control,

transformed? I think if you control, I always like to say if you control your desire, it's like putting a metal chain on a lion.

You can't beat it. It's like a beast inside, yeah? Anytime it will react out.

inside, yeah? Anytime it will react out.

So, don't control it.

Tell yourself you have it. You be honest to yourself.

And be honest to people of how you are and what you are inside.

And I think it's so important that we are mindful of our desire.

Don't control it and force it to be kept away, but [gasps] just be aware, mindful, and always be honest.

Through step by step, you will know reasoning. Through reasoning, that

reasoning. Through reasoning, that desire won't affect you fully later on.

Of course, takes time and take a lot of effort and a lot of dedication, of course.

Yes.

Is that uh even the when the desire comes and then just the just the desire also to be Is that linked with karma? No.

I don't think so. I don't think desire is linked with karma. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think so.

So, I mean, you're right in one way, Rishabh. I've

heard people say like when couples meet, yeah, they always like to put this excuse and say, "Oh, I think I met you before in my life. This is our karma." I

don't know about that.

Okay. You know, I don't know about that.

I think they should just be honest. I

love you, you love me, and can we be together, married? That

together, married? That Be that way.

Then if it works out, good for you. If

it doesn't work out, what to do? That's

life.

Just be practical. You know, don't put this um romantic um you know, um lie by saying, "Oh, past lives we

have met each other. This life we have met each other, you know." You are my Dakini. Yeah. You are my soulmate. I

Dakini. Yeah. You are my soulmate. I

think it's I mean, I think it's a little bit rubbish, you know.

And there are some couples who like to say, "Oh, when I when we die now, I wish to meet you again in the next life." I

mean, hallelujah for you, but who knows who How do you have the control over it?

You know. Mhm. Yeah.

So, I don't think desire is connected to karma. I don't think so, but if it is

karma. I don't think so, but if it is then I don't know, but I think personally no.

But maybe some other llamas and teacher will say yes and all that, yeah. Then

how you see reincarnation as then?

Reincarnation I think is like for example, generally I think Rishabh, we all reincarnate because as you [snorts] know, we human beings

when we die, we are always um continuing in one way. Our body goes back to the natural state of the five elements, yeah.

To the mother earth. So, our body in some way when it disintegrates, it's naturally processed to continue for the nature itself. Growth of nature

and the preserve preservation of nature.

Our mind I feel like it does somewhat continue. We may not necessarily

continue. We may not necessarily remember everything, but it does continue somehow, somewhere.

Yeah.

But I think um of course, we may not have choices. I

think certain level of practitioners and yogis and high-level mind practitioners Manjushri, they have certain

capacity to choose when to be reborn to serve the Dharma, to serve the people and sentient beings, yeah. I think that happens, yeah. But general people, I

happens, yeah. But general people, I don't know, yeah. So, when do when they do that, they bring their past I don't think they can bring their past

totally, but I think they can like continue in this life in a more um kind of authentic way, but I don't think they will bring their past.

Personally, I don't feel that way, yes.

You know, I was always interested to know in the Nyingma lineage. Yes. You

know, there's a lot of termas that is, you know, taken out from different places. So, what that's that is actually

places. So, what that's that is actually You're asking about the Nyingma lineage.

Mhm.

Basically, Nyingma lineage we call it the old tantra uh lineage.

We root that back to Guru Rinpoche and all.

And so, as you know, Rishabh, in Guru Rinpoche and all the tantra and all that, or Vajrayana so to speak, there are many treasures

that we believe Guru Rinpoche and the um 25 disciples of Guru Rinpoche, including Yeshe Tsogyal and Mandarava, Guru Rinpoche precisely had placed these

special um scrolls, Dakini scrolls, and special object in many places in Tibet, Nepal, India, Bhutan, all of

these places that he has visited and blessed.

The reason to um put these items in these special places is for the future great practitioners and

tantric yogis and yoginis and treasure revealers, the tertöns, to reveal it and to continue the teachings of the Dakini Guru Rinpoche and for the benefit of the

practitioners, for all of us, yeah.

So, that is what we emphasize on a lot.

But I also believe that Nyingma lineage, Nyingma the tantra, you know, we can also say that

Nyingma tantra is also as old as what they used to practice in India, in ancient um Khmer,

um even all the way to Afghanistan, Pakistan, and uh Indonesia, the ancient tantra. And of course, Nepal obviously, yeah.

As you know, in the past, many people don't like to hear this because it's sensitive. There was no such thing as a

sensitive. There was no such thing as a Hinduism kind of a spirituality. In it was called Buddhism and tantra.

Tantrayana.

Even like for um Shiva, we as a Buddhist, we refer him as Mahadev, not Shiva.

Because we say Shiva is considered like more of the worldly god.

But Mahadev is considered as the enlightened being, you know. So, for

Buddhist or tantric practitioners, we refer him as Mahadev. He's also

considered a very um important um tantric deity, enlightened deity, you know.

We say he's the um emanation of Lokeshvara, yeah.

And so, and um I strongly feel that in the Nyingma lineage, we have all of these sacred um

objects uh as we refer them as ter, sacred uh items that have been buried and then now revealed.

This is a importance because the continuity of the teaching of the samaya and the blessing is still kind of goes

on, very proper, very fresh, yeah, untouched and uncontaminated by anything else, yeah.

That is the reason. Of course, then as you know, Rishabh, in Nepal is really like almost the birthplace, I could say, not exactly birthplace, but like

birthplace meaning Guru Rinpoche has been here, lived here, blessed, taught, kept so many wonderful scrolls, you know, even took

two of his consort from five the five wisdom consorts he have, uh Dakinis, he took two from Nepal,

uh Babung Galai Siddhi and Shakyadevi. So, Shakyadevi, sorry.

Shakyadevi. So, Shakyadevi, sorry.

So, you know, um it's Nepal I would say it's really one of the highlight nation,

blessed land, yeah. And of course, we have Tibet and we have Bhutan uh also blessed by Guru Rinpoche and

also kept so many secret objects in the caves, in the rocks and mountains to be revealed, and many footprints, many scriptures and so forth, yeah. Will they be revealed in this

yeah. Will they be revealed in this generation, what do you think?

I don't know. I can't say, yeah.

I think I believe that it will be revealed on the right timing, yeah.

But when and how, I'm not so sure, yeah.

So, I want to go back to uh uh the you know, desires and all. Yes.

Uh I've seen your video where you said um the true demon is not an external spirit. Yes. It's within you.

spirit. Yes. It's within you.

It's your dark and uh uh what you say, dark side of you. So, I

just want to know more about this. Mhm.

>> [clears throat] >> Us.

So, Rishabh, you know, in Hindi or Nepali, we always have this terminology dushman, yeah, we say.

And when people say dushman, they always like to point their finger at other side saying that's dushman. I always say no, that's not dushman. Dushman is here, right inside.

Anytime it can be activated.

Until this day, for how many centuries in this duniya of our human duniya, how many centuries

that human beings have played in a role to kill each other, slaughter, kill, rape, abuse, exploit so much, you know.

The whole mother earth has been completely drenched in human blood, you know. I mean, human being can be that

know. I mean, human being can be that scary, that ruthless.

And I feel like don't we realize by now that we are our own problem?

Our emotion, untamed emotion is so dangerous.

You know, still to this day, I have heard Tibetan people, Sherpa people, our Nepali people like that, you know, superstitious people say,

"Oh, Kewa Ansa um Kala Jadu or ek dam big problem and Buddha is big problem." I'm thinking

please have some brain.

The world is in chaos because of one problem, of human mind.

Not Kala Jadu, not demons.

You don't see demons with horns and fangs fighting war. We will see actually human beings who look like us, who think like us, who eat like us, shooting,

bombing, and killing each other.

No problem. They can kill children and women and and elderly. They have no regrets.

and elderly. They have no regrets.

It's not the demons who did that. It's

us doing it.

You know, sometimes I find it so fine and so so funny.

>> [sighs and gasps] >> Like in the Hindu religion or Muslim religion, mhm, Christianity, everyone has a terminology for it.

I think in the in the Muslim, they call it jinn. Uh in

Christianity, of course, in Catholicism, they call it Satan or Lucifer, yeah, the devil and the demon.

And then we call it like what, shaitan and all that, no?

I'm thinking you know, one in one way I feel like these devils or demons, we should be grateful for them.

Why? Because at least they are honest.

They're like, "Yeah, I'm desire. I'm

ego. I'm good Yeah, I'm a devil. I'm not

hiding. Yeah, I'm just being myself." I

think the devils are laughing at us saying, "You are much horrible than us.

You pretend.

You're like a wolf, you know, wearing a sheep's skin.

And we are not.

So, I'm thinking, "Oh, thanks to you, we can be better."

We can look at you and say, "Okay, I don't want to be that." Rather than looking at them and condemning them, you know?

So, I always say we need the shaytans to learn a lesson.

Don't become a shaytan inside.

Human being to become a shaytan, it doesn't take anything.

Just takes a few minutes and finish.

I always tell people, don't look at the news and say, "Oh, they Oh, my god." No,

look at yourself. You could do that one day.

You see a a murder case, don't look at it and say, "Ah, many people are no." You could do that.

Who knows? One day you go off and then you do something.

So, I said, "Always look at all of this as a reminder."

Human beings are the condemnation of for human beings.

Be careful. Be mindful.

Always do the right thing.

And I also believe one thing that for human beings the ones who suffer the most go through the most hideous difficulty life situation and

suffering turn out to be best human beings.

The most kindest, most humble people.

Yeah.

That's what I would say. Yeah. So,

how can they control that uh demons within them then?

I think Rishab, it's impossible to control the demon, but what we can do is just be honest.

Be honest to yourself. Be clear. Be

transparent.

Be transparent to yourself.

You know? Yeah.

So, uh what I felt once was life is not always peaceful.

Even in a spiritual path. So,

you've gone through a very difficult phase in life once.

During your worst moment how did you stay strong and grounded?

Well, when I was going through the most difficult time in my life I don't want to go in detail.

It was very sensitive.

I don't want to name anyone, but there was really up to the point where I thought I was almost going to I'm almost dead or something because um

I wasn't upset and hurt and angry because I was thinking, "Oh, people are not good to me. People are so horrible.

People are not respecting." Not at all.

The one thing that shocked me so much is that I'm thinking, "Wow, human beings can be that cruel and nasty and fake."

They know what is innocent.

They know who I am. They know my character. They know my innocence, but

character. They know my innocence, but yet they still want to just because it serves their egotistical and their you know, how to say, messed up mind and

their greed, they want to put all the false um blames and horrible thought mental torture on me.

That shocked me.

That you are so-called Buddhist, you tell other people to be good like that.

But you yourself you're like this.

That shocked me. That really kind of shocked me. That

shocked me. That shocking mind made me feel like, "Wow, this is um this is scary.

This is absolutely scary."

This is very scary, I thought.

And made me feel very deeply sad. I'm

thinking, "Wow, what to do?"

Um so, those days when I was going through a very a hard time, there a few times I thought

"I wish I could sleep and never wake up.

If people hate me that much and people think I'm such a horrible human being, a womanizer, a rapist and fake Buddhist or lama whatever, you

know, I thought, 'Okay, the best thing is I will sleep and never wake up. And

maybe someone better can take my place.'"

place.'" But then yet I told myself "I know my innocence.

I'm not going to fight for it. I'm not

going to defend myself.

The truth is nobody can avoid the truth.

The truth can never be hidden.

It will show itself.

So, you see, I'm feeling very content in my heart and proud and because not in the egotistical way, but in a truthful way because I have no hatred. I

don't hate and angry to the people who did bad to me. I know who did all the wrong things to me. I see them also in their body. I see them in the

their body. I see them in the in the social media, but I don't hate them.

I just look at them and thinking like, "Wow, babri babri, you are like that, yeah.

You can be that nasty."

At the particular moment when you when you felt very low did you feel that you even you had a dushman at that time?

I never thought I had a dushman.

For me, dushman doesn't exist in me.

Yeah.

You know, the funny thing is only dushman for me is if the toilet is very bad and the bad coffee and it's dushman.

I will make sure the person really gets my torture.

I'm not going to beat the person.

They're going to complain and say, "Please get the toilet better, you know.

Please make sure coffee is good." But I think that no, you're right actually.

I did ask myself, you know, I really did ask myself when I was going through such a horrible time.

I really thought, "Do I hate these people? Are they my enemy?" No.

people? Are they my enemy?" No.

I really don't hate them.

I cannot hate them.

And some of them I met them and when they come to me for like blessing or hello and I I take them in, I hug them and I say, "How are you doing? How's

your family?"

I said, "Look, I don't hate you." You

know?

I really say it.

And then it brings tears in my eyes thinking, "Oh, you know, my father used to always tell me, 'Never have hatred, grudge and ego.'"

He always used to tell me this.

And I thought, "Okay, I will follow your advice." No matter what.

And in order to be a genuine human being, if I hate and say you're my dushman just because you're bad to me, that's very ridiculous.

Ridiculous, you know?

I mean, there are it's it's not nice to say, but sometimes I get a bit angry like when I travel somewhere else, you know?

Like um India or maybe Thailand or Burma or Sri Lanka and I come back to Nepal and as you know how it is for every Nepali citizen.

You have your Nepali passport and then you give it to the immigration and then nothing good they have to say to you, yeah? It's not there's not like, "Oh,

yeah? It's not there's not like, "Oh, welcome back to your country." Like "K gani?

Kam gani? Paisa chaincha? Ke ho esto?"

And then there's always something irritating. That really angers me.

irritating. That really angers me.

I one time told the immigration officer, I said, "I'm a Nepali manchhe. Tame

Nepali manchhe. More Nepali manchhe. Ali

katti positive bolnus na ke ho esto?"

You know? They say, "What what did I do to I did I take money from you or what?"

You know?

And that something irritates me a bit, you know? And sometimes I'm like

you know? And sometimes I'm like when I go in the taxi, I don't have a car so I go in the taxi here traveling around in Kathmandu.

And then sometimes the traffic police, yeah? And I don't blame them, but just

yeah? And I don't blame them, but just because they want to take money for their pocket, unnecessarily they squeeze you, squeeze you. And when they see I'm a lama, "Hey

you. And when they see I'm a lama, "Hey lama arata esto huni." You know? Then

this something irritates me a bit.

But then I'm like, "Okay, it's fine.

Doesn't matter. I need the irritation because that's the only way that I can learn how to be, you know, um learn how to

have no anger and this uh um irritable moody emotions, you know? You

need that to deal with it, yeah? If you

don't have any of that, then you cannot deal with that at all, yeah?

So, that irritation comes and goes.

Yeah, it comes and then okay.

You have always emphasized on being you know, humble and willingness to say sorry.

So, my question was uh what was the hardest apology you have made ever made and what did you learn from it?

For me the hardest apologies is saying sorry to people who I have never done wrong.

I was I had to force myself to say sorry to people who I have not been wrong, but they are wrong.

And but I can't say that they are wrong because they will never accept it because their ego and pride is too big, you know?

For me, I just learn a lesson like not every human being is genuine.

So, you have to do your best.

And I like the English saying, "Bite your tongue and take the blame."

Because you will never lose at the moment. That's true. You're never

moment. That's true. You're never

losing.

Yes, at that moment is uncomfortable, but it's okay. It's fine.

And I think for me saying sorry is not hard because I really feel it in my heart, you know? People sometimes they look at me and say, "Oh, you easily say sorry. I'm sure it's just because you

sorry. I'm sure it's just because you just care about your reputation." I

don't care about my reputation.

I really saying sorry because I feel it in my heart. I'm I'm

I feel very bad, you know? I feel very guilty.

You know?

I mean it's not really nice to say this, but even to people who like you know on the street you meet and like you you accidentally hit them or whatever you learn I'm so sorry, you know, what we've

all done, you know.

Like I'll tell you one funny story, Rishabh.

You remember couple of years ago there was this big incident happened in Nepal where some one Lama um with this uh Nepali uh heroine.

What's her name?

>> Yeah, yeah. It was in a movie.

>> Miruna Magar.

>> Yeah, yeah. That case, yeah. Like he

slapped her butt and all this issue.

After that incident, as you know, in Nepal something very awkward happened to all of all of us Lamas because when we go to the Boudha Kora, how many women are there and how many Nepali

girls are there busy making TikTok video. So, when we are busy walking, if

video. So, when we are busy walking, if you accidentally hit like they look at you with their big eye like K garo go, you know. Then so scared. I

thought I have a new idea.

When I'm walking in the crowd, if there's many women, I just put my hands up like this.

So, if my hands are up, you know, I'm not doing anything, you know, I'm innocent. So, I did that so many people

innocent. So, I did that so many people are like, "What are you doing? Are you

crazy or what?" And I said, "No, this is for my own safety, you know. I have to put up, you know." So, you see My point is in a very difficult

um tricky time in this world of our time.

I feel like it is a jewel that if you can manage to be a genuine human being.

It's a real jewel. I've seen so many genuine people. I'm very, very lucky to

genuine people. I'm very, very lucky to see them. I'm very lucky.

see them. I'm very lucky.

And um Even like sometimes I've been very honest like I have had some failed relationships in my life in the past. I've not been such

a good boyfriend.

So, even in my failed relationships, I've always taken the blame. I've never

said, "Oh, you know, it's your fault. I'm Rinpoche.

I'm perfect. You're wrong." No.

I am wrong. You are right. You have

taught me a lesson.

I love you, but I'm wrong.

I've taken that and I believe one thing my father used to say a man being a real man should respect a woman, appreciate a woman, adore a

woman, and always make sure you see your mistake.

You take your mistake. You take your blame.

If she is wrong or right, that is up to her to know, and her to realize, her to recognize, and her to work with, not you to tell her.

You focus on your mind.

Work on that.

That was such a priceless advice for me to be a good human being in all my life.

My father used to say you're a human.

You haven't taken vows. You're not a bhikshu or whatever, you know.

So, you may have relationship. You may

fall in love. Time remember this.

So, it's very true what he said, you know. It's very true. I'm a human being

know. It's very true. I'm a human being after all, you know.

I know nowadays when people here they criticize me say, "Oh, he's a Rinpoche. You're a deity guru, but you

Rinpoche. You're a deity guru, but you like a woman or hot, you know."

I'm not a alien. I'm a human.

It is a natural you know, thing for me to be attracted and to fall in love with someone.

Is it so big? Is it such a big uh mistake? Is it a crime? Of course not.

mistake? Is it a crime? Of course not.

You know, yeah.

So, like we talked a lot about >> [snorts and clears throat] >> hatred, jealousy, anxiety.

Um demons. Yes. So,

um I just wanted to ask like why is spirituality needed?

For me, as I understood that spirituality is an inner journey.

And to you know, uh control this or like see this desires and all.

So, am I just missing something or what exactly is spirituality?

Yes, Rishabh, you're not missing anything.

You're right.

The main thing is you see spirituality basically means go in yourself. Go

inside your mind.

In your mind all the boundless qualities already there. Kindness,

already there. Kindness, um you know, wisdom uh all of that is there.

All of it is there.

I think wisdom is in jnana, isn't it?

Jnana.

Um so, all of that is within our mind, our heart. Is that we have to go in, use

our heart. Is that we have to go in, use our deep wisdom to utilize, recognize in and and you know, keep that up. Increase

that. Deepen ourself.

That's why it's important for us to have spirituality.

If we understand spirituality as when you are angry, just uh shut up and sit in the corner and do meditation. That's not going to work.

meditation. That's not going to work.

Work on yourself. Look into it.

Take care of it from the roots. Don't

just take care of it on the surface level. Take care of it from the roots.

level. Take care of it from the roots.

Transform it. Change it.

Transform anger and hatred to compassion and patience. Transform desire into

and patience. Transform desire into appreciation, uh detachment.

Transform ignorance and blindness into wisdom and clarity.

You can do it. Anybody can do it if you put the right amount of effort and take the right advices, follow the advices from your Guruji.

Of course, definitely you can do it. Why

is Guru so important in Vajrayana?

Guru is everything to us. Yeah.

Guru themselves it can be a female guru, male guru. They

themselves are the example of a genuine human being and a genuine dedicated Dharma practitioner.

But humble humility kind, pure and just there for you always available for everyone. And

they're not great because they're good to you. No. They're great because

to you. No. They're great because they're good to everyone equally.

And their whole life is dedicated to that. And I think that is such a

that. And I think that is such a precious precious moment in without sheep without a shepherd. You we

say that. We need a shepherd for us to guide us.

And the Guru to make us understand our inner Guru. Our inner Guru is as I was

inner Guru. Our inner Guru is as I was mentioning to you previously is our mind.

You know. And it's very precious.

And this is this is a a story I want to share is that I hope it's okay.

Like um as you know, Rishabh, for our Tibetan Lamas, Rinpoches in our world we are always focused on our Rinpoches

and masters. And we have great ones

and masters. And we have great ones also. Great ones in my life.

also. Great ones in my life.

I have met some such authentic ones. I'm

so grateful. Most of them have passed away, but some of them are still alive.

Including my late father, Tenga Chuna Rinpoche. Not because he was my father,

Rinpoche. Not because he was my father, but he was a father figure to everyone and he was good to every person in this whoever came to him.

So, you see, my father used to always have this great connection uh and kind of a he liked the Babas, the Indian and Nepali Babas and Sadhus and

all that. He always used to tell me,

all that. He always used to tell me, "Never judge them. They can be fake one, but they can be authentic one. Never

judge them. Always respect them."

So, I also had a very big fascination with Babas and Sadhus. But being coming from a background of Tibetan, we always used to have this and I'm sure many Nepalis also and Indian people have this

background. When we see Babas and Sadhus

background. When we see Babas and Sadhus we have this kind of a mistaken wrong view that oh, these people are crazy. They do kala jadoo and

they take ganja, eat human meat. No

good, you know. We should stay away.

Who knows what heck can happen.

I had many couple of years ago I had a chance accidentally to meet one Baba in Pashupati here now gone into mahasamadhi, passed away.

When I met him, he was if I'm not mistaken, he was 112 years old in my age.

And his name was Guru Taginath.

He came from the tradition of Nath Sampradaya and Agori tradition and he only spoke Hindi. So, I couldn't really communicate with him much, but for me what was most important is the

presence.

His presence was so pure. Pure,

honest very dignified, very pure.

And after he passed away, I met his um what do you call that? Spiritual

brother.

And he's still alive. His name is Guru Ishanath Maharaj Guru Ishanath. And I

had the great opportunity to meet him again and again, speak to him. He's very

humble, strict in his practice.

Very dedicated, but and I would say a jewel of a human being.

So humble. Anybody can go see him.

Loving, kind, very dedicated in his practice. And he made it very clear to

practice. And he made it very clear to me. He said, "We are not Hindus. We are

me. He said, "We are not Hindus. We are

Buddhists ourselves."

And um I saw the way how he practice in his lineage, in his tradition, very strict, very secret, but

strict and proper. And I thought, this is this must be exactly how the 84 Mahasiddhas of India has practiced, our great yogis and yoginis in Tibet has

practiced, and how the great masters in the past did exactly like that. Very

secret, proper, and you know, following very dedicatedly.

And uh when I looked at him, I thought, he he stays in a such a small little dirty room.

People come and see him. He cooks

himself. He makes food for people and like that. Always very humble, always

like that. Always very humble, always smiling, never changing.

I thought, wow, this is this is what I want to be. Pure, humble,

dedicated as a human and into the spiritual practice.

Because uh when I learned through him, I realized their practice is such so more authentic compared to our Tibetan. We, I think, in

one way a little bit contaminated.

I I look at Tibetan lamas nowadays, and you know, immediately you see luxurious bungalow house, four, five attendant and bodyguard and secretary,

you know.

And wife and children, and then, you know, you even hardly get to see the lamas that often. Very expensive car, only

that often. Very expensive car, only traveling in first class, staying in five-star hotel.

Maybe that is good for them.

But that's not the authentic way.

When I look at uh Guruji, Guru Ishanathji, when I looked at him, I thought, I don't see any luxury over here, no materialism over here.

No power, no name, nothing.

Yet he's dedicated to help so many people in whatever way possible.

Always practicing himself, always meditating.

So dedicated, determined.

I thought, this is the real way.

That is the real way.

Not the way how I saw in my lifetime, in the Tibetan background.

So I feel like these things really inspired me, you know, and I felt like in this time and age, people can be old, people can be young, it doesn't matter. Age doesn't make any

difference, is that choose the right way.

Choose right way. Trust your heart.

Trust the purity in your heart.

Always trust that.

For you to go lucky uh for someone, you know, who feels broken or thinks they have made too many mistakes,

what would you say to them?

I think I'm nobody to speak to the youth.

>> [sighs] >> I would say I was born in the generation where I like to always say, for me, I felt like it was such a beautiful

generation for me.

Because uh for me, being born in Nepal in the 19 in the uh I was born 1993. So that time I still remember um

underdeveloped country like Nepal, and um still people were listening to old um

the 1960s and '70s, '80s, Kosong Aru from Nepal, from India.

And then I remember, you know, still seeing lot of tempos and rickshaws.

And the whole community, you know, modernization.

And people were okay with what they had.

That was the beauty I saw in when I was growing up.

And um nowadays I don't see that much.

So I was born in the age where the olden day time, byel ago, like we we like to say, byel ago zamana or purano zamana, no? Purano zamana was still

zamana, no? Purano zamana was still there, but slowly finishing, and modernization was coming, but not too fast. So it was such a sweet era, I must

fast. So it was such a sweet era, I must say, for me.

And um I would say that um for the youth, I don't know what to say much, because um I wouldn't know what you're feeling, what you're going through. But only

thing I want to say is if you're really going through hardship and pain and suffering, it's very easy for anyone to say, oh, don't be depressed, everything will be fine. Because for you, you will feel

fine. Because for you, you will feel like everything is not going to be fine.

You will either use drugs and alcohol and all kinds of things like that to take off the edge of the pain and suffering.

Or either you want to really like commit suicide or you want to escape or run, whatever. Only thing I want to say

run, whatever. Only thing I want to say is do whatever you want to do. I'm nobody

to tell you and dictate what you want to do. But only thing I want to tell you is

do. But only thing I want to tell you is it is never too late.

Never too late.

You can go through it.

You can go through it. It can be very painful.

But you have to try at least.

You are born as a human being. Who knows

how many chances you will get to be born as a human being? It's precious thing.

Look at how many people in the world, you know, how many children are born?

How many of them have such a difficult life? No food,

life? No food, suffering. They're born in the war time.

suffering. They're born in the war time.

They're born with such difficult diseases and crippling diseases. You're

not having those problems. You're having a emotional, mental difficulty, circumstances difficulty, relationship difficulty.

So please don't just give up easily.

Look at your forefathers.

They went through hell of a life.

But they did not let that affect them too much. Maybe it made them very

too much. Maybe it made them very grumpy, angry, frustrated, always scolding, always shouting. But

always shouting. But they're living.

They lived because they wanted you to be happy.

They did everything for you, sacrificed everything for you.

And now you just want to give it up for these reasons?

Please, no.

There's always going to be a good person in your life who will help you.

Either a good friend or someone you trust.

Or maybe a stranger who you meet.

There's always going to be a solution for that.

Just don't Just tell yourself one thing in the back of your mind. It's never too late.

Nothing is too late.

And when you do something harmful to yourself, it is a damage for you.

And it's a forever damage. You can't get it over.

And the bigger problem is you are also leading so many people to look at you and say, oh, if she does it, if he does it, I also will do it. When I'm sad and depressed, I'm going to do just like my

friend. So you want to be the example?

friend. So you want to be the example?

Of course you do.

So please tell that to yourself.

You will go through such pain and hardship, but pain and hardship makes us stronger, deeper, better, and purer.

Because we have gone through it.

And we know how it is. And we will never want anyone else to ever experience such.

And this is uh very precious moment.

It's easy to say that, but I really mean it from my heart. Yeah.

It was This message is so beautiful that uh the youth will definitely follow it.

I mean I'm feeling blessed right now.

I'm feeling very happy uh to bring you on the podcast and um talk with you.

And you have shared so many insightful uh informations and different uh types [clears throat] of knowledges.

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