Hermes Agent: The New OpenClaw?

Hermes agent. You're seeing it everywhere. People are calling it the

everywhere. People are calling it the open claw killer. And today's episode is about how you can actually install it, how you can connect it with GStack by Gary Tan, how you can connect it to

Obsidian, how you can create skills. We

go through step by step how you can get started with Hermes agent. This is

everything you need to know for how to run it, get started, and actually how you can even use it on an Android device. So enjoy the episode. It's with

device. So enjoy the episode. It's with

my dear friend Imran who just explains technical concepts in such a such a clear way. It's a breath of fresh air.

clear way. It's a breath of fresh air.

Enjoy the episode. The introduction to Hermes agents.

I begged them to come on and Iran has come on. Uh thank you for for for coming

come on. Uh thank you for for for coming on. By the end of this episode, Imran,

on. By the end of this episode, Imran, what are people going to get? By the end of this episode, you'll learn how to install Hermes Agent, which is the best personal agent. It has built-in memory.

personal agent. It has built-in memory.

It learns about your workflows and helps save you time, money, and allows you to do more. And I'll even show you how to

do more. And I'll even show you how to install it on an Android phone.

Okay, cool. Yeah. So, been hearing a lot about Hermes. Obviously, it's going

about Hermes. Obviously, it's going viral. Is it the new OpenClaw? I don't

viral. Is it the new OpenClaw? I don't

know. Immran, I I just need you to explain it in the simplest terms, the most clear terms, so that at the at the end of this episode, I can actually go on my computer, get Hermes going. Um, so

you're committing to to making it as clear as possible and and sharing as much sauce as possible.

Exactly. Yeah, that's what I'll do.

All right, let's do it.

All right, so the first thing uh the way that I found Hermes agent was that I tried using OpenClaw. And when I was using OpenClaw, I ran into basically three massive issues. The first issue is

that I kept having to tell it to do the same things over and over again because there was no built-in memory system, right? And this is a common problem. Uh

right? And this is a common problem. Uh

the second problem I found was that I had to keep restarting the gateway. I

think there was a day where I had to restart the gateway once an hour. And so

that was like really useless. I felt

like I spent more time setting up OpenClaw than I was actually like using it to make my life better. And the third big problem with OpenClaw for me was just that it was eating up tokens and I

had no visibility into how or why. So I

quickly migrated over to Nebula, which is if you're looking to build uh if you're looking to kind of have just like a AI co-worker, Nebula is probably the better tool. Um, but if you want to have

better tool. Um, but if you want to have like personalized workflows, if you want to kind of tinker under their hood, and you want to have a system that learns over time, I highly suggest using Hermes. So, uh, the the three things

Hermes. So, uh, the the three things that Hermes does better than OpenClaw are basically solving the three problems that I mentioned. One is that it has a built-in memory system. So, every time

you complete a task and successfully complete it, it automatically writes to its own memory. This way, like over time, it gets better. Um, it also uses a

typical like normal SQLite database which is the same type of database as you know normal web applications. And

what that allows it to do is search in real time for times where it's done something successfully for you. So if it didn't save it to its memory, it can actually go and search through all of

the logs of all the things you've asked it to do and remember it. even things

like API keys. If you forget to save them to an environment variable, but you kind of passed it to the agent, it can actually search through and find it for you. Uh, and the last thing is uh it's

you. Uh, and the last thing is uh it's just more stable. Like I haven't had to restart it in like over a week, which is way better than what happened with OpenClaw. Um, so I'll walk you guys

OpenClaw. Um, so I'll walk you guys through the installation, but before I do, Greg, do you have any questions so far? Yeah, I mean um I guess I'll see by

far? Yeah, I mean um I guess I'll see by the end of this, but you know, for me it's like I think a lot of us listening like we might have heard of OpenClaw or might have start, you know, installed

OpenClaw. Um

OpenClaw. Um you know, I I'm just what I'm begging to know is like what I don't want actually I should restart. What I don't want to

have happen is I install Hermes and then a week later I go back to OpenClaw basically. You know what I mean? like I

basically. You know what I mean? like I

just kind of want to pick an ecosystem and be like this is my personal agent.

Mhm. No, makes a lot of sense. Um, and

that's kind of the problem that I was having before. I kept switching and

having before. I kept switching and jumping between different agents until I landed on Hermes and I've been using it for over 3 weeks now, which in this space is a lot of time. Um, so I'll before we get into the installation,

I'll walk you really quickly on my setup. So, when you just type in Hermes

setup. So, when you just type in Hermes in your terminal after it's installed, um it's going to try to open up my Xcode MCP, which is not running right now. So,

it'll it'll fire up in a second. Um,

cool. Yeah. And I'll zoom out a little bit. You can see here, um, when you open

bit. You can see here, um, when you open up Hermes for the first time on the top, you'll see the available tools. So,

Hermes comes built in with 40 plus built-in tools that OpenCloud doesn't have. So, you don't have to go find out

have. So, you don't have to go find out which tools to install. Uh many of the built-in tools will cover almost all of the basic tasks that you'll need to do.

If you want to fire up a browser, if you want to search the web, if you want to create recurring scheduled cron jobs or like scheduled like code, um it has all of that built in. Even things like image

generation are built in. Home assistant

capabilities. You don't really have to configure or go figure out what the best tools are. Um, the other thing you'll

tools are. Um, the other thing you'll notice about Hermes when you first install it is that it has a lot of the really most popular available skills pre-installed as well. So, like I'm on a

MacBook, so it has all of like the Apple Notes, Apple reminders, it's got Find My, it's got iMessage. I did not have to go and find this from a skills hub. It

was already ready to go as soon as I installed it. So, if you want to talk

installed it. So, if you want to talk about simplicity of installation and having all the skills you need, um, Hermes is probably the best one for that.

Um, what about security like are those like if I install some of those skills are those like do I have peace of mind knowing that that's secure?

Yeah. No, that's a really good question.

Um so there's a couple ways around this one. I think you can always ask the

one. I think you can always ask the agent to do an audit of your security setup. Uh which a lot of people don't

setup. Uh which a lot of people don't think about. It's kind of almost like

think about. It's kind of almost like metapar prompting it. So Hermes has knowledge of where the keys are stored and your configuration. Um, and you can say like, is this a secure setup? Tell

me why or why not. And it'll go through and let you know if there are any secret keys exposed on your computer, if they're in plain text, if like a firewall is set up poorly, it'll let you know. Um, the other thing that's very

know. Um, the other thing that's very unique to Hermes is that it's built to also out of the box be able to be ran inside of a Docker container in case you want it on your machine, but isolated

from the rest of your files. And then

you can also run it on Modal as like a serverless service as well. Um, so it's really flexible in how you run it. I

personally am a little bit risky and I just kind of run it on the bare metal.

Uh, and I'm just routinely making sure like every day I'm updating it and I'm also making sure that like I ask it to, you know, secure my own setup.

Cool. Let's let's keep going.

All right. So, uh, the installation if you're on a Mac is pretty straightforward. Um, you can just head

straightforward. Um, you can just head over to the Hermes agent uh, documentation. It's on the new research

documentation. It's on the new research website. And if you're on Linux, Mac OS,

website. And if you're on Linux, Mac OS, or even Windows Subsystem for Linux, it's just this oneline command. If it's

your first time installing a tool like this on a Mac, you'll probably need to install the Xcode developer tools. So, I

covered that in the video that uh Greg found me through, but basically, you would do like Xcode- select-install.

You can see this command right here. And

I will actually run it here. Um, I already have it installed. You can see. And then if you

installed. You can see. And then if you need to update it, you can update it later. Um, so yeah, you can just go

later. Um, so yeah, you can just go ahead and copy this command and paste it in and it'll run. Now,

obviously I have it installed as already, so it'll just go through the update.

Uh, another thing that I found was that you can actually skip the um you can skip the onboarding and you can just close out of it. Um, and the most important commands that you'll need to

know once you have it installed is just this one right here, which is Hermes model. So, this kind of brings me into

model. So, this kind of brings me into the next uh the next problem that I had with OpenClaw, which was that with OpenClaw, I just did not have enough visibility into how much I was spending on tokens. And it was like it was like a

on tokens. And it was like it was like a constant battle to figure out like exactly which model to use. Oh, wait. I

got to run the install again. Let's try

one more time. I think I broke it. Al

also with open claw you can't use uh anthropic anymore right so with Hermes can you use an anthropic API key

seamlessly correct yeah you can use uh you can use an anthropic API key you also have access to the uh new router as well so let me show you right so this is a this

is one that's running on my gaming PC just I had this as a backup so if we type or let me clear this out so it's easier. Now I'll type

easier. Now I'll type Hermes model. And here you can see um

Hermes model. And here you can see um these are all the different providers that you can use to select a model.

Again, this is already out like this is all like out of the box. I did not have to go install anything. Um and the two biggest ways to save money on this is really just to use either the new portal

or open router. So if I go on Open Router, you can see I'll be able to see all of the different models. And the

cool thing about open router is that every once in a while you'll have some free models available. So here Nvidia's Neotron uh is free this week. So if you wanted to use that model and you just

wanted to run it for completely free, it's available as well. You can see also through open router I'm able to access anthropics models here. Remember you

were asking uh so they're both available. Um and you can see a very

available. Um and you can see a very clear layout of exactly how much it'll cost. So, you know, if I if I want to

cost. So, you know, if I if I want to use Quen 3.6 Plus, it's probably only going to cost me 33 cents per million tokens uh for input and about $1.95 per

million tokens of output. And you can see the price difference between Sonnet and Quen, right? So, you could it's like almost like onetenth the price on the input tokens, which is like

really good. Um I

really good. Um I mean, you sort of know in sense like you know how much you're going to spend on tokens. You don't really know once you

tokens. You don't really know once you have it set up like how you know what your day well I mean you'll find out basically based on the

the the task you give it how much things are going to cost and and I think that that's sort of the issue I think some people are having is like they're spending I mean it's not

crazy to spend hundreds of dollars a day on your openclaw instance at this point.

Yeah. So actually the one of the interesting ways to fix that using the Hermes agent um is that you can actually once you have a task that you know that you want to run like on a recurring

basis, you can actually have it write the code one time for it. So instead of requiring an agent in the loop every single time that you need to do something, you can actually write the code to make it like more deterministic.

And that'll actually longterm save you tokens because you won't be spending tokens on actually um like doing the processing every single time. Like

instead you'll just do it the first time, get it to write the code and then you know if you're using a free model, you can use the free model to write the code and then you basically will spend no tokens on that singular skill or task

forever. Um that's like another thing

forever. Um that's like another thing that I noticed. I I realize that a lot of people are not um if if you come from a software engineering world, you're always kind of thinking in this methodology of like don't repeat

yourself. So like if you are like in the

yourself. So like if you are like in the habit of like building reports every single day or you want like kind of like a daily digest, a lot of those things can be automated with just pure code instead of relying on an LLM to do like

a web scrape or something like that and that'll also save you a bunch of tokens.

Um, so by just switching to Hermes agent and open router, I basically got my token spent down from like it was like about like $130 every five days down to like maybe like 10 bucks a 10 bucks

every 5 days. So about like a a little bit over a 90% reduction. Um, and I'm still able to do all the things that I want to do.

Uh, the other important thing that I think everyone will want to know is that of course Hermes agent does allow you to have a connection to Telegram. So, you

can see all my agents here are named after the Muppets. Uh, so I still have a lot of room for expansion if I need to add more agents. There's still a bunch more muppets I can go through. Um, and I can talk to them in Telegram just like

how I can talk to them inside of the terminal. And this Cookie Monster one is

terminal. And this Cookie Monster one is super special because if you kind of take a sneak peek at the screen here, this one is actually running on a Solana Seeker Android phone that I have right

here. So, I wanted to talk a little bit

here. So, I wanted to talk a little bit about that because I got this set up finally yesterday. Um, if you want to

finally yesterday. Um, if you want to set up Hermes agent on an Android phone, you'll see here that there's actually uh the same way that you install it on your

computer, there is a script that you can install to put it on an Android phone.

And so, here I have installed it on an Android phone. And you can see what

Android phone. And you can see what device am I on? And it says here I'm on a Seeker Android 15 phone running via Termox. So that's really

Termox. So that's really Yeah. So and then people are like some

Yeah. So and then people are like some of the people who saw that I was doing this on Twitter were asking like oh like why would I install it on an Android phone instead of installing it on a computer. Um so before I get into that

computer. Um so before I get into that uh I will say that the there are a few extra steps for installing it on Android. The first thing is that you

Android. The first thing is that you need an app called Termox. Termox is

basically like a a terminal inside of Android. So it'll kind of look exactly

Android. So it'll kind of look exactly like your normal Mac terminal. Um, and

then if you want to extend it even further, there's another app called the Termox API. And the Termox API app, um,

Termox API. And the Termox API app, um, it's a it's available on the Froid, which is an open-source, uh, Android app store. Uh, but the Termox API actually

store. Uh, but the Termox API actually gives you access to the sensor data on your phone. So, you can access

your phone. So, you can access information about the battery, you can change the Wi-Fi network, you can change the volume of the device, you can take photos using the Android phone, uh, you

can adjust the brightness, you can trigger the vibration motor. Um, there's

like all basically everything that the Android phone has access to, you now have access to. So, you can imagine a world where instead of having this running on a Mac Mini, which is like

sold out, you can have it running on an Android phone that's, you know, Android phones are very cheap, and you can put a SIM card inside of it. You can bring it with you. You can have it read your text

with you. You can have it read your text messages that are sent directly to that number. You can automate basically like

number. You can automate basically like two-factor authentication that comes in via SMS. Um, and basically like you now have a version of like an always on low

power uh dedicated agent device that isn't a Mac Mini and that isn't as expensive.

A lot of people listen to this podcast, the Startup Ideas podcast because, you know, I I don't just bring on people who, you know, give practical AI tutorials, but also they like ideas.

They like ways to make money using some of these, you know, new technologies and stuff like that. you know, with the Android Hermes instance specifically,

like can do you have any ideas that come to mind around like, okay, you know, if I were trying to make money with Hermes agent on Android, you know, what are what are the some

things that come to mind, top of mind?

Yeah, the first thing is probably because you have access to the Termox API, you can actually fire off commands on the Android phone itself, like you can tap the screen. Um, and you can like

send notifications. So if I think one of

send notifications. So if I think one of the next things I want to set up is of course like everyone some sort of like social media automation that uses the phone directly. So right now we have a

phone directly. So right now we have a lot of scheduler tools and people complain that social media scheduling tools they nerf your reach because you know like they're going through the API

instead of on the device. Well, this

kind of solves that because you can actually post the content directly from the device. Um, that's one thing that's

the device. Um, that's one thing that's like super cool, right? So instead of having to, you know, literally like open up your phone and download a video that's generated and post it that way, uh, you could have this technically

running on an almost infinitely scalable amount of Android phones and run accounts and post from there and it will still show that it came from a device with like a real MAC address. Um, that's

one way. Um, another thing that I've seen is just of course like there's like the make money part of it. Um, but also, you know, I have a lot of the very basic

parts of my life that are annoying, like already automated. So, like I have an

already automated. So, like I have an email triaging agent that every morning goes through my emails, deletes the ones that are like unnecessary, unsubscribes from things that I subscribe to that are like, uh, really useless, um, and then

shows me a digest of the important emails. That might not directly make me

emails. That might not directly make me more money right now, but it's still saving me about like 30 minutes to an hour a day and just allowing me to do more.

Cool. Yeah, I think the hard part is just figuring out like taking stock auditing your your personal life to be like what are the things I need automated and then also from a business

perspective what are the things that need to be automated. I think that's part of the

automated. I think that's part of the hard part and I guess like you know you could you can ask Hermes agent to audit your life right and start asking you questions

to help you like ask it to help you you know yeah like we can do this like where do I spend the bulk of my time and let's see if it knows for my memories and if this gets too intimate we can always cut it out

that's what we want Iron we want it to get intimate yeah so like it knows where I live it knows what times that I'm And it's like, okay, where do I spend time? What am I asking questions about?

That's awesome. Is that something that you recommend people, you know, use Hermes Agent to help help you set it up and and and productize some some of the stuff that you're

doing?

Yeah. So, I think like the idea of using agents to get things done is like a new paradigm. So, the easiest way to like

paradigm. So, the easiest way to like get used to it is to solve like personal problems in your life. So, the biggest like personal problem that I first solved with an agent was um like figuring out what to cook at home

because my wife and I like we love door dashing. We love eating out, but

dashing. We love eating out, but obviously like that's not you know that's not the healthiest and that also costs a lot of money. So, the first thing I did was I set up a local speechto text model on my actual

computer and I sent a a long like 8 minute telegram voice message of me going through my fridge and my pantry of every single thing and every single ingredient that's in my pantry and I

said, "Every day, can you send me a recipe or three recipes based on what's in my pantry and what like my fitness goals are?" Um, it seems like something

goals are?" Um, it seems like something small, but it kind of takes a lot of like mental load away from like my day-to-day. Um there's a lot of things

day-to-day. Um there's a lot of things like I think that if you start doing like really basic stuff like that um you know like we can uh you can kind of automate a lot. Also we got to we got to cut this out, bro. This is a lot of

personal stuff in here.

This knows this knows way too much.

Rafa, let's blur it out. We're going to blur it out. So

Okay, we have to blur this out. There's

a lot, bro. This

We're blurring it out, but we're keeping this in the sense that like if you do this, it works.

Exactly. Yeah, it does work. It's very

intimate. So definitely can't show you guys everything.

Well, it's intimate also because it knows you, right? And you've you put in the work with it, right? So if you're starting this from scratch, it won't be intimate right?

It won't be. Yeah. So like when you start it from scratch, like you'll have all the tools, you'll have the skills.

Um as you talk to it every single day and you use it for work over and over again, it'll like I said, it'll store in its memory. It'll begin to learn exactly

its memory. It'll begin to learn exactly what you do, what like um and how it can help you. And you can even ask it like

help you. And you can even ask it like every night you can ask it like what's one or two things that you can build for me that would make my life better. Um

and it'll do that for you.

Okay. What are what are other must know things about Hermes Agent?

You do still have to update it every night. It's still technically beta

night. It's still technically beta software. Um so you can see I haven't

software. Um so you can see I haven't updated this one since in 9 days and I am 535 commits behind which is quite a

bit. Uh, so you do still have to update

bit. Uh, so you do still have to update it every single day. It is still technically beta software. You still

should probably constantly, you know, lock it down in certain ways. Um, a

really simple way to lock down Hermes agent but still have access to it from anywhere is one to set up like Telegram or WhatsApp. Um, another thing that I

or WhatsApp. Um, another thing that I highly recommend for any of these tools is that you install Tailcale and you configure Tailcale correctly. So, Tails

scale will allow your phone and all of your computers to be on the same kind of virtual network. Um, and then you can

virtual network. Um, and then you can remotely access them using any like terminal SSH app, which just lets you kind of remote in and like monitor it and chat with it that way as well. Um,

before before we head out, is there a question that I should have asked you about Hermes agent that I didn't ask you?

Should you migrate from OpenCloud?

I mean, I've got my Yeah, I mean, that's the big question, right? Should you now that we've seen it? I mean, well, we've we've sort of, you know, I should have I Let's actually Would you be open to

showing your Muppets?

Yeah. Muppets. Yeah.

Yeah.

And And also like with respect to your Muppets like does it make sense to set up, you know, one agent, multiple agents? Like how do

people think about designing their their agents? you know, like do I create one

agents? you know, like do I create one that's called like social media manager and it's just doing social media stuff or how should I think about this?

Yeah, so this is something that's still kind of a work in progress for me as well. Um, so you can see count uh is is

well. Um, so you can see count uh is is uh is my main kind of agent. This is the one that's running on my gaming computer. Um, and you can see this has

computer. Um, and you can see this has all of like my personal stuff set up. So

I have cron jobs for like doing my Gmail triage for unsubscribing to emails to give me like expense reports like some more personal stuff like finance stuff is all set up here. Um these are

technically cron jobs. They're not sub aents. I have seen people set these up

aents. I have seen people set these up as sub aents. The benefit of that is that you can assign specific models to each one. So, I could have a Gmail email

each one. So, I could have a Gmail email triage sub agent that I have assigned a cheaper model to, right? Because it's

more deterministic and it'll tell me like if if it's like a really simple task, you can assign a like a a cheaper model to it. Um, and kind of save money that way and you can add like more specific instructions. But I've also

specific instructions. But I've also seen people just set it up as a cron job. So, I have it set up as a crown

job. So, I have it set up as a crown job. I don't have it set up as a sub

job. I don't have it set up as a sub aent. Um, so I think a lot of these kind

aent. Um, so I think a lot of these kind of specifics are still being figured out. We don't really know if it's better

out. We don't really know if it's better to have it as a sub agent or not. The

thing that is that we can agree on is that having an agent that has memory and learns over time is incredibly powerful.

Um, and I have four set up here just because I'm like a tinkerer, but I actually think the most optimal way to do it is to have one set up or two. And

the only reason why I say two is um, if you have one for work and one for personal stuff. Like I I imagine if I

personal stuff. Like I I imagine if I worked at like a Fortune 500 company, they wouldn't let me like run Hermes agent with all my personal stuff on it on my work computer, but I'd still want to have the capabilities of being able to kind of like automate or do work

really efficiently.

Mhm. It's also it feels cleaner a little bit if it's personal and work. Like my

to-do list, for example, I have like the way I run my life, you know, I use things, the to-do to-do app, and I just have personal and and work.

And like to me that just like makes the most sense. So like when I the way I'm

most sense. So like when I the way I'm going to set this up after this call is I'm going to set up a personal one. I'm

going to set up a work one.

Yeah. And I think um another thing that maybe we didn't cover that I think we talked about a little bit on Twitter is that um this is like Obsidian. So uh I was never a big Obsidian fan. I kind of

just stored everything in my Apple notes um and kind of hoped for the best. The

cool thing about Obsidian is that even if you have like multiple agents um it's all like markdown files. So now this this tool that was like instead of having to know markdown, you can just tell agents to like organize them. So I

have this kind of setup as just like my home MD files. So it tells me all the important things I need to know about this week. uh tells me about like things

this week. uh tells me about like things I need to get done today, upcoming travel, things for like my day job, things for like, you know, uh personal stuff and it's all organized and set up

automatically by the agent every day. Um

and so I would not have been able to go through like the painstaking effort of like putting this together by myself every single morning. Um but now like I have an agent that does it for me and

it's just so much easier. Um but this is like not something I would have done before. Like I would I I wouldn't think

before. Like I would I I wouldn't think to use obsidian in the past, but because I now have agents that can kind of manipulate it really easily, it just makes it much more fun and easy to use.

Right. So your is your recommendation that you know once you get Hermes installed post install start, you know, using it with Obsidian?

I think Obsidian is a really clean layout. Um because if you look at like

layout. Um because if you look at like if you look at Telegram like some of these just kind of read as like massive walls of text and even if I even if I like uh organize it or even if I put

something in like my sole MD file to specify that it should speak concisely like it just becomes really unruly and it's like really hard to find like the most important information. There are

people that are like experimenting with building like kind of like mission control dashboards. Um, but I I I just

control dashboards. Um, but I I I just feel like the easiest is like the one that you can see on your phone and your computer, you know?

And if someone saw your Obsidian and is like, "Man, Iron has really like that's that's my dream." How do how do they go from like how do they make a similar

thing? Like h how do you actually do

thing? Like h how do you actually do that?

Yeah. So, my Obsidian was set up by my Hermes agent after using my Hermes agents for like 20 days.

So, as it learned about me.

Yeah. Yeah. You think it you think it takes 20 days around?

No, I I think I think it takes I think it takes building up the habit of using of default going to the agent to get work done even if you can do it yourself. That's the biggest thing.

yourself. That's the biggest thing.

Okay. So, maybe it's like seven days.

Maybe it's seven days of like using it, you know, consistently and then after that their Hermes agent knows a, you know, good chunk about you and then you

can have it create a similar obsidian stack, right?

Yeah. And and you still right now you still kind of have to metaparrompt it.

So you can ask it at the end of every day like what is something you should build for the work I do or what is one way that you can uh what is like one one task I'm doing over and over again that

I should set up as a crown job. Um and

it'll know but you still kind of have to prompt it. Right. So I'm hoping in the

prompt it. Right. So I'm hoping in the future that you don't have to do that that it just kind of knows automatically. Uh but we'll get there.

automatically. Uh but we'll get there.

We're pretty close.

That's really interesting. Could you

like open up I know this is we're sort of doing this live but like could you open up like a doc just so and and just like write out like the the prompts that

people should should be thinking about around around for for Hermes agent like what what are the ones that you're using that

you're like it seems obvious to you but you know people might you know not know yeah a really basic one is like what have I been procrastinating

right that's a good one cuz it has access to your to-do list if you're listening to this podcast like you're probably doing a lot and there's probably something that's like, you know, under the hood that like you just

haven't gotten to yet. Another one is um what is the most important thing to work on today, right? And like that's like super important. Um another one would be

super important. Um another one would be like I like I mentioned like what are some tasks that I'm doing every single

day that I could or should automate?

Um, another one would be, "What is a tool that you can build me tonight that would make my life easier tomorrow?"

tomorrow?" Right? Like these types of things like

Right? Like these types of things like where you're Yeah, this you're right.

This does kind of seem obvious to me.

Uh, but to many people like it's kind of a new new way of thinking. Um,

trying to think of another one. Um,

is there anything important today that I missed? Right. Um,

missed? Right. Um,

anything around cron jobs, MD files?

Um, I'm trying to think. Yeah, I think uh I think I think the cron job setup could be is like a little bit difficult in the beginning because I feel that

people don't understand like what a cron job is. It's still a very technical

job is. It's still a very technical term, but it's essentially just something that runs on a schedule. Um,

and you like everyone does everyone has a list of tasks or a list of things that they do every single day that probably could or should be automated, right? Um,

and so asking it to set up chronos for those things will just kind of make your life a little bit easier. Um, the last thing I did want to show you now that I'm thinking about it is I actually have

um I want to show you there was a psychiatrist that made a computer

or made like a computer program. Uh yes,

his name is Joseph Weisenbomb and he made a natural language processing computer program um over the course of three years at MIT that's basically like

uh like a chatbot therapist. Um and I've actually loaded this up as a skill inside of Hermes where I can like talk to it every single day and like help it it will basically help me self-actualize

about what I should also work on. Um, so

there's a lot of these like weird like little like niche like personal development things um that you can actually build really easily, right? It

took them three years to build out this like natural language processing like kind of like um psychiatrist thing, but like you can just drop this Wikipedia file inside of your Hermes agent and say

like you'll turn this into a skill and it'll do it.

That's really cool.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's sort of the daunting part about you know be it openclaw or Hermes is like you sort of need the ideas around like I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't have come across that you know

Wikipedia article and been like oh I should make this a skill right so the prompting yourself to actually think about like oh I'm navigating the

internet or I'm navigating the world how can I make this a skill so that I can use this every day just has to be a part of your it's it's just how you work today in the age of AI.

Yeah. Exactly. The biggest thing is like learning how to use Hermes agent is not actually the skill.

It's going to become the requirement, you know.

Exactly.

Yeah. And whether it's like Hermes today, maybe OpenCloud gets better, maybe Claude Co-work, maybe it's Nebula, whatever it is, like you still need to know what to do with it, and that's like kind of where where it counts.

Last question around skills. I know that you showed uh some pre-built Hermes skills. um

skills. um you know what are what are some you know must install skills that you recommend for people listening?

Yeah, so I definitely recommend installing the Obsidian skill.

Um I actually don't even use the Obsidian CLI, but I use the Obsidian skill. That one's really important. I've

skill. That one's really important. I've

seen some people install the Honcho dev memory skill. I haven't needed to set

memory skill. I haven't needed to set that up yet, though I think I probably will because there are some memory limits on Hermes and you kind of want to keep like your uh context as small as

possible. Um, another really useful one,

possible. Um, another really useful one, let me see for my ghosty.

Um, well, so a lot of these skills I've built myself, right? Um, like I have like a bank statement analysis one. So,

I definitely think like whatever you do, you should always like start with like try to build out your own skills around like personal finance and like fitness and like all the things that you already pay for. Um, and maybe those aren't ones

pay for. Um, and maybe those aren't ones that you actually go download, but they're ones that you build. Um, another

really interesting one that I think everyone should play around with are of course all of the software development related skills. I even, you can see

related skills. I even, you can see here, I actually ported over GStack um by Gary Tan into Hermes before it was widely available on Hermes. So, I

definitely, you know, if you're working on a startup um it's definitely like a really cool cool skill to use, GStack.

Um and yeah, like I think those are the big ones. just because I think some

big ones. just because I think some people don't know what GStack is. Can

you just give a quick primer on what GStack is and you know how why you think that people should install GStack with their MEZ?

Yeah. Yeah. So GStack is basically the way I understand it um is it was built for cloud code and it was made by Gary Tan the CEO of Y Combinator. Um,

essentially the idea is that it takes the Y combinator style startup process, which is like figuring out what works week over week, asking the right questions about what you should improve about your product and your business,

and then helping you go and implement that as code, um, and make decisions on that. So, um, those types of things were

that. So, um, those types of things were previously only available to people who were in Y Combinator, which was like the best, which is like the one of the best startup accelerators in the world. Uh,

but now a lot of that knowledge has been basically open sourced as a skill that you can bolt on to your agent. Um, and

that's something that like was never available before in the past. Um, so if you're obviously working on a startup like an app or something, um, and you're, you know, not in San Francisco or maybe like you're not familiar with

like the startup methodologies, I highly recommend using something like that.

And it's a no-brainer. It's free.

It's free. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the the agent itself is like it's like Hermes agent is like basically like it's like 90s tuner car culture, right? Like you

can go find the parts you want and you can put them on and you should like learn how to customize it for yourself as long as you remember that like customizing it is not the skill, but it's more about what you get done with it,

right? And I think it's like

right? And I think it's like you do have to remind yourself that uh I like how you said that customizing is not the skill. And there's so many people who are just obsessed with

customization and then they're not actually doing anything, right? Like

so it's it's like don't be an artist about it, right? Like

um at the end of the day, you want something that's going to add value to your own personal life, that's going to add value to your business life and

and it's it's a rabbit hole basically and to to go down in where you're like optimizing and optimizing and optimizing but don't do it.

Yeah. This handles the optimization for you. Like the biggest thing when people

you. Like the biggest thing when people say like a lot of people have asked me like what's been the most useful thing about like Hermes agent like dayto-day I work at a fund and I'm able to talk to more founders and have better

conversations with them because a lot of the background work is now handled by my personal agent. That's awesome. That's a

personal agent. That's awesome. That's a

huge win for me. If we can talk to 20% more companies or 30% more companies, we have better signal. We get better deal flow. We're helping out more founders.

flow. We're helping out more founders.

We're eventually going to return more as a fund, right? It just makes me better at my job. It's a big deal, right? Like

you just That's the way I see it is like if you value your time at say $500 an hour in terms of the opportunities that could come, that's a that's a huge that's a huge

deal. So, um, Iron, thank you so much

deal. So, um, Iron, thank you so much for giving us, you know, the go-to guide for installing Hermes Agent, playing with Hermes Agent, making skills,

installing it with GStack and Obsidian.

I really appreciate it. I'll include

links for where you can follow Imran on the internet, which is where I found him. And uh I I think that you're super

him. And uh I I think that you're super talented at at explaining technical concepts in a really simple way. So I

would love to have you back on the show.

Uh but people let us let me know. Let me

know in the comments, you know, is this uh did did did you did you feel it? I

think he he he brought this out. So

thanks again, Imran. Um is there anything you want to leave people with?

Yeah. Um I work at a fund. It's called

Alif. Check us out. Alif.build

alif.build.

And of course, I'm on social media, Imran. I think after this, I'm just

Imran. I think after this, I'm just gonna make more videos.

So, let's do it. Yeah,

let's do it. All right. Thanks a lot.

All right. Thanks for having me, man.