“I Was Taken By Aliens In 1997!” -President of Russian Republic

You are, to my knowledge, the only leader of a prominent nation who was abducted by aliens and taken up on a spacecraft while you were a sitting president in 1997. You are constantly using the term abducted. I was invited by them. The episode you're about to watch is

truly historic. I'm here with the great Kiran Ilum Xenov. Not only was he president of Kalikia at the

truly historic. I'm here with the great Kiran Ilum Xenov. Not only was he president of Kalikia at the time of his alien visitation, but he was also president of feday, the world chess federation, he was in Vladimir Putin's inner circle for decades. Has met many world leaders,

including American presidents and secretaries of state. He knew some notorious figures like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi very well, but also befriended Pope John Paul II. And because he was president of the only European Buddhist republic of Russia, he also happens to be very close friends to this

day with his holiness the Daly Lama. So over centuries, we have some special relations.

Kiran describes his entire experience in full detail. There was something like a translucent pipe glowing made of some matter. So, I went along this tube and there was something like a fiery like a planet giving off heat. In this exclusive interview, we get his chief of staff on

record for the first time, saying that he searched Kan's penthouse apartment for hours and then one of the rooms that they had thoroughly scanned, he just walked out of. It's so trippy. Beyond that,

we discuss Putin and Trump's knowledge of UFOs and aliens. What do you think the Daly Lama thinks about UFOs and extraterrestrials? Will Kersonan even gives direct historical examples of the US and Soviets sharing knowledge on UFOs. Thank you. Nice to see you. He even gives a

fascinating anecdote about his longtime friend, American Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Henry

Kissinger was watching me closely. He was a man of few words. And Gorbachev sitting next to him said, "Come on, Henry, tell him." And if that's not all, Keran reveals that the president of a large sovereign nation that happens to be a close friend of his was also visited by aliens

while he was on a fishing trip. Because Kiran courageously went public with his own experience, this president felt comfortable confiding in Kiran with the full details of his story.

A story that's never been told before but that Keran relays here. Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping, these world leaders at the highest level. Do you think they're aware of the alien presence and UFOs and UFO programs? The president of the United States had a small folder like this that he opened and

UFO programs? The president of the United States had a small folder like this that he opened and showed to Brev. Something quite interesting was in that folder. But after that meeting, all research and all flights to the moon suddenly stopped. So without further ado, sit back, relax, and prepare

to ascend into a higher dimensional space with this week's Calian Alchemist, Keran Ium Xenov.

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code American alchemy. I'm here with the great Kiran Ilum Xenov. This is an honor.

I can't wait to speak to you today. You were the president of Kikia, which is one of three Russian republics that is Buddhist and the only European Russian republic that is Buddhist. And

you were also president of the World Chess Federation. And perhaps most importantly for the purposes of our show which covers extraterrestrials and the nature of reality, you are to my knowledge the only leader of a prominent nation who was abducted by aliens and

taken up on a spacecraft while you were a sitting president in 1997. And so it's an absolute honor uh uh to be with you. I want to maybe just start with the abduction itself.

We spoke a little bit about this, but uh what what happened to you in September of 1997? Well,

the most ordinary thing happened probably what happens to many aliens that is earthlings. You

know, we call them aliens and they call us the same because we are the fifth civilization on our earth. Everything seemed ordinary. It was at the end of September 1997.

our earth. Everything seemed ordinary. It was at the end of September 1997.

I was in Moscow on a business trip at that time. I was getting ready to return to Kelmikia to hold the youth self-government week. In Kalikia, we carried out an experiment where we handed over all the power in the republic to young people under 25 from the position of president of Kalikia to

ministers, the prime minister and district heads. Before that, they trained for about a year. The

idea was to show that everything moves forward, that the new generation must learn and take on responsibility. So it was a regular working environment. And around 10:00 in the evening, I

on responsibility. So it was a regular working environment. And around 10:00 in the evening, I returned from our Republic of Kmikia office, which is located in Moscow, not far from my apartment.

I got there, turned on the television as usual, and lay down to sleep to get some rest. Later,

I kept analyzing the situation. Was it a dream or not? But I had three witnesses. The driver,

my assistant, the minister of the Republic of Kelmikia, and my friend who came for me the next day. So I turned off the television and then it was like a vision, like a half dream, but I think

day. So I turned off the television and then it was like a vision, like a half dream, but I think it was reality because I saw someone or rather some sound was coming. My apartment is on the top floor, only the roof above. There were no nearby balconies to move from one to another. It was

September and I always sleep with an open window. And now someone is calling me. I approached the window and there was something like a translucent pipe glowing made of some matter. Or maybe it was some kind of energy and someone called me to go there. At first, I thought about whether

to go or not, like any person would because it was kind of in plain sight. But I decided to go. Everything unknown is interesting to me. So I went along this tube or corridor and found

to go. Everything unknown is interesting to me. So I went along this tube or corridor and found myself in a space, a very large space. There were many people or rather beings very similar to us.

As the great Buddha wrote 2,600 years ago, in our solar system, there are four more planets similar to planet Earth where practically the same exact people live only with different skin color

and therefore it wasn't too surprising to me. You know in childhood when we played football we saw a saucer hovering over the football field a few dozen boys watching it. Then when I was at the Artekch summer camp near Mount Aayudag in the Republic of Crimea and later when I served

in the Soviet army as well. So what did the aliens look like? Their faces and what were they wearing?

I saw them clearly, although there was a bit of a lack of air. They were wearing yellow garments.

One of them kind of suggested that I should press somewhere here on the chest. I pressed

and then it was easy to breathe again. I felt pretty comfortable. The air even smelled like the sea or the forest or something. I was pretty calm. I wasn't nervous. I just asked, "Will we be here for long?" They said, "We'll be back soon." Then I remembered the science fiction stories I

had read about time fluctuation. I said, "Maybe an hour will pass here, and on earth a hundred or a thousand years will have passed, and when we will return there, I will not meet my friends, nor my family, nor anyone. Maybe we will find ourselves there in another time, in another millennium."

But the one who was escorting me said, "It's fine. We'll return you to where we took you from." And

at the same time, I was a bit surprised at first because I was speaking and they were not reminded me of my meetings with the Bulgarian prophet Baba Vanga, a very famous prophet. She was blind.

She was answering before the translator had time to finish asking the question. It was

the same situation with those beings who were well on our planet at that moment in time. So

I calmly asked a question and they answered through thoughts. You know there was once a state or rather a civilization called Atlantis where people also communicated through thoughts.

And even now on Earth, there is a tribe in Australia that communicates with each other over distance. I asked to be shown around to see where I was. It was probably a spaceship,

over distance. I asked to be shown around to see where I was. It was probably a spaceship, a very large open space, like several football fields large. No one paid attention to me.

Everyone seemed to be busy with their own tasks. They were walking around moving. Something was

flickering like screens, different colors, images. I asked, "Can you connect to the television from here?" There are many channels like CNN or Russia Today, Al Jazzer. I said, "Why can't you address

here?" There are many channels like CNN or Russia Today, Al Jazzer. I said, "Why can't you address the people of Earth right now? Let the people of Earth know that you exist, that you have arrived and now observing. Or I can address them instead and say that I have met you interesting ones. We

have waited for you so long. People like the great Chilovski and Sergey Coralev. The first person in space, Yuri Gagarin on the 12th of April 1961. And when he was sitting in the spacecraft, engines on, the first words he said with which you started today's interview, let's go. And then Gagarin said

the words, "Let's go." and the rocket lifted off from the ground towards the new, the unknown. They

looked at me and said, "It's still early. You have not yet reached the level in your civilization's development to communicate with us." I said, "How come we have television, the internet, spacecrafts?" They asked, "Do you converse with ants?" I say, "No, well, we haven't learned to

spacecrafts?" They asked, "Do you converse with ants?" I say, "No, well, we haven't learned to talk to ants yet. We live in different dimensions. Your only achievement in civilization is that we created you, the intelligent beings here. Not only humans, but everything that surrounds us,

like animals, everything living around us also has intelligence. The same goes for cats, dogs, cows, and so on. Your only civilizational leap is that before you used to eat them raw and now you kill and cook them and eat them in restaurants by candle light. That is your level of development.

Every creature that lives in the universe must go through certain stages and you still destroy each other. We kind of created you here. gave you a beautiful land, rivers, lakes, seas,

each other. We kind of created you here. gave you a beautiful land, rivers, lakes, seas, and you pollute it with industrial waste. Burn, cut down these forests. Right now, there are over

117 armed conflicts happening around the world. You are so beautiful. You have two arms, two legs, a head on your shoulders. Yet you direct all your science and efforts towards inventing weapons to kill each other as much as possible. Whether it's bacterial, chemical weapons, atomic weapons,

or neutron weapons, you are always coming up with ways to kill more people. I recall the words of Nobel Prize winner Albert Einstein when he was asked, "What will the third world war be like? What weapons will be used?" He said, "I don't know about the third world war,

but I know what people will use in the fourth world war. Sticks and clubs like our ancestors."

And so that's where our discussion ended about whether to connect to television or not. On the other hand, they said they didn't want to disrupt the course of our civilization.

not. On the other hand, they said they didn't want to disrupt the course of our civilization.

You are currently at an embryionic level still. You have a scientist Charles Darwin. He said that everything evolves evolutionarily. First living beings were in the water, then they came out of

it. Then there was a monkey and so humans evolved from monkeys. On the other hand, there are various

it. Then there was a monkey and so humans evolved from monkeys. On the other hand, there are various religious teachings. You have books like the Bible and Christianity and others like Islam,

religious teachings. You have books like the Bible and Christianity and others like Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and others that talks about something else. So just imagine if we say on television now that we have been here for a long time, millennia, millions of years watching and

not only us but others too. Back in his time, the great scientist, the Russian scientist Constantine Siokovski said that not even the whole universe, but simply our own galaxy, the solar system, is teameming with different intelligent civilizations. And until we overcome our

egoentrism, such contact, communication probably won't happen. Official science constantly proves that the only intelligent being is the humans on this planet. If we don't overcome this, then we will never meet anyone and will constantly remain in these three spaces in three dimensions. So,

we only know three dimensions, right? But there is a fourth and a fifth. While we are talking here in this beautiful place in the center of Trana, the capital of Albania, maybe there are other parallel worlds, too. Maybe they are playing chess having a conversation. And what did the spaceship look

worlds, too. Maybe they are playing chess having a conversation. And what did the spaceship look like? I know you said it was big, maybe multiple soccer fields. What was the kind of architecture

like? I know you said it was big, maybe multiple soccer fields. What was the kind of architecture like? And was it was it metal? Did it look like it was from material not made of this earth? I only

like? And was it was it metal? Did it look like it was from material not made of this earth? I only

saw it from the inside because I was immediately there. It was a large space, like several football fields large. Then we walked for a while. There were screens or like glass sheets. But the most

fields large. Then we walked for a while. There were screens or like glass sheets. But the most interesting thing I noticed when I later analyzed the whole situation was that they weren't paying attention to me at all. One of them was just telling me something and that was it. I just

appeared there and it didn't matter. They were tall, dressed in these yellow outfits. That's

it. And they didn't really pay attention to me. One of them led me to a large port hole, like a port hole window. And the reason I realized it was a ship was because it wasn't just hovering over Moscow. It seemed to move freely, shifting through different times, different spaces, and different

Moscow. It seemed to move freely, shifting through different times, different spaces, and different dimensions. Why? Because on Earth, you couldn't see anything like that. I was looking and there

dimensions. Why? Because on Earth, you couldn't see anything like that. I was looking and there was something like a fiery well like a planet giving off heat. And from there they were taking out some kind of cylinders or maybe not cylinders, more like boxes. They were loading those into the

ship. Maybe they were collecting something. Maybe conducting experiments. Maybe they had landed on

ship. Maybe they were collecting something. Maybe conducting experiments. Maybe they had landed on some planet while I was there. They might have gone down there and taken those boxes with them.

We were probably moving through space. Maybe it came from the fourth dimension. Because

now according to quantum mechanics, according to quantum theory, objects can move in a matter of seconds from one end of the universe to another. Well, maybe it was Earth just on the other side.

Maybe it was the far side of the moon, but on the inside it was kind of ordinary. Well, like a room.

They resemble us, as I already mentioned, tall yellow clothing. They practically did not speak.

probably communicated thoughts to each other over a distance. I didn't feel anything unusual. Well,

it seemed like I was in some kind of laboratory, a scientific laboratory or a practical laboratory.

I realized it was a spaceship because there were somewhat different people around me. But on the other hand, perhaps they could influence the state of the mind so that a person wouldn't go insane immediately. Because when I returned back to reality to my apartment in the city of Moscow,

insane immediately. Because when I returned back to reality to my apartment in the city of Moscow, I felt normal. My friends were already in the apartment looking for me for over an hour and couldn't find me. And then I came out of the bedroom, which they had entered and exited 10

times already. They even called the police. Everyone was looking for me. They arrived to

times already. They even called the police. Everyone was looking for me. They arrived to pick me up at 11:00 in the morning. My assistant had the keys. He opened the door. They went in, went to the kitchen to put the kettle on. Then my friend says, "We need to wake Kirsten up. We

have to go to the airport." The bedroom door was open. They go in and I'm not there. Slippers are

in place. Phones are in place. They check the bathroom and every other room in the apartment, but well, I wasn't there. The balcony door was open and that's it. They went downstairs, asked the security, and he said, "Well, I didn't see him leave anywhere. The building isn't very big." They

checked the video cameras. No one arrived or left. No one flew out, but the camera wasn't looking at the sky. Mostly at the entrance and exit, and for a whole hour, they were searching, wondering where I was. Vasili, how long have you worked with uh Kanan Yumab? about uh 40 years.

Wow. 40 years. Amazing. So very long history. You guys are very close. Yes. What happened

on the night of September 17th, 1997? Well, that was a long time ago. The driver, a mutual friend, and I went to his apartment. We were supposed to take him to the airport. He was flying out at 1:00 in the afternoon that day to Alista, which is the capital of Kalikia. When we arrived at the house,

I called him on the phone, but he didn't answer. So, I decided to go up to the apartment. I had my own keys. I rang the bell first. He didn't open. I unlocked the apartment with my key, went into one

own keys. I rang the bell first. He didn't open. I unlocked the apartment with my key, went into one room, then another. He wasn't there. Not in the kitchen either. Then I saw his clothes hanging.

Two mobile phones were lying on the nightstand. I was surprised. Where did he go? So I called my friend up. I said, "Something weird is going on. We have a situation. His things are here, but he's

friend up. I said, "Something weird is going on. We have a situation. His things are here, but he's nowhere to be found." Then some time passed, maybe an hour, and suddenly he appears from the bedroom, even though he wasn't there before. I was so surprised. Where did you come from,

Kersonen? You weren't here. He laughed and said, "Well, aliens took me." And after a certain time,

Kersonen? You weren't here. He laughed and said, "Well, aliens took me." And after a certain time, I just came out of the bedroom and went to the bathroom. They followed me into the bathroom and

started touching me like, "Are you alive or not?" I said, "Alive?" "Well, where were you?" I said, "I was flying with friends. They were showing me their ship or something like that. Yes,

I was in space. Well, that's interesting. They say, "No, you're probably joking." I say, "No, it's true." When Keran came back down on the ship, um, or however he got back into that room and you

it's true." When Keran came back down on the ship, um, or however he got back into that room and you asked him what had happened, he said to you, "I was taken by extraterrestrials." And then at that point, did you ask a lot of follow-up questions? Did you learn anything about his

interactions with these extraterrestrials? I asked him. And how did you communicate with them? In what language? He said, "At some subconscious level." Interesting. And did you

with them? In what language? He said, "At some subconscious level." Interesting. And did you learn anything else about the exact communication between him and the extraterrestrials? Did he ask them any questions and learn any interesting information that he then relayed to you? A

difficult question. Well, you see, communication probably happens through thoughts, most likely, but he didn't tell me much. Maybe there were some secrets. Secrets from everyone else. Because he

communicated with them privately, you could say. So why was my state normal? Not surprised. Well,

because I was there, probably on purpose. They probably have this effect so that a person doesn't go crazy. So they don't take them to a psychiatric hospital, right? Back in 199798 when I talked with one of the NASA representatives, he says, "We officially record about 4,000 cases a

year when people notice unidentified objects like saucers and some talk about their contacts." Well,

why was I chosen? I think it's because I was supposed to say something about it. Who did

you speak to at NASA who told you about the 4,000 encounters a year? I met with many people. I can't

remember all the names right now. I have business cards though. It was very interesting back then.

Not only with NASA, but also with other space research centers in France, Japan, China, and India. After I mentioned that I had a contact, I received many letters and inquiries. At that time,

India. After I mentioned that I had a contact, I received many letters and inquiries. At that time, I was the president of the Republic of Kelmikia and the president of the World Chess Federation, FID, which now includes about 200 countries. I was also a senator and a member of the Parliament of

the Russian Federation. I visited other countries both officially and unofficially and I had many friends in the United States of America. I was friends with Henry Kissinger, met with Jimmy Carter and with many other presidents and representatives of NASA. I interacted with them

back then in the 1990s. Well, for them it was a known thing, self-evident. And then when we talked with the former president of the Soviet Union, Mikail Gorbachov, he also spoke about the fact

that there are various civilizations that have made contact with representatives of our earth.

Well, I'm sure you can probably just ask. Just call NASA. I'm sure my visit was registered there somehow. Or maybe not. But a few people from there invited me for a friendly lunch. When

somehow. Or maybe not. But a few people from there invited me for a friendly lunch. When

I was visiting as a member of the Russian Parliament in the United States Congress, um I received a call. Someone introduced themselves saying, "We're from NASA. We heard

about your statement and would like to meet." They invited me for lunch. During the lunch, we had a friendly conversation. But it wasn't just representatives from NASA. There were also leaders from other countries. One of the presidents of a country which is part of the group of seven

leading countries in the world. When I was at a dinner at his home while visiting that country, he started asking about my contacts with them. And his wife says, "Well, you saw it too. We

saw it when you were on vacation at the ocean. Tell him." He says, "Am I stupid or what? I have

parliamentary elections in 6 months. my party is running. They'll say that the party leader, the president of the country is a bit crazy. The people there will never elect. I didn't say right away that I met them. I thought for a long time about whether to say it or not. After all,

at that time in 1997, I held many official positions. I was also the president of the Russian Chamber of Businessmen and Entrepreneurs. So, if I declare that I well communicate or meet aliens on a flying saucer? How will my fellow businessmen, friends like Oenheimer or Rockefeller, Rothschild

and other businessmen from other countries regard me? How will senators, members of parliaments communicate with me? How will presidents of countries look at me? Do you speculate as to why they took Kanan? Do you think it affected him in any way, either positively or negatively?

A difficult question. People are afraid to admit that they believe in aliens, have seen aliens.

You see, it takes some courage to talk about it because it can be interpreted in different ways.

You have to understand he held a really high position back then. Absolutely. I

I agree. You understand what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. Do you remember if the Russian government investigated the

right? Yeah. Do you remember if the Russian government investigated the uh experience at all? Did they look into it? I know Kiran spoke with Boris Yeltson at the time. He also debriefed Putin. Do you know if they looked into it at all? Well, actually,

time. He also debriefed Putin. Do you know if they looked into it at all? Well, actually,

he said that he talked with Yeltson about this story. Whether Yeltson reported it to Putin, I'm not aware. And did the Russian government come to you guys at all and ask further questions about what happened? Did they investigate at all or did they just kind of brush it off and not think twice

what happened? Did they investigate at all or did they just kind of brush it off and not think twice about it? There were some talks with journalists. You know, some close associates asked around

about it? There were some talks with journalists. You know, some close associates asked around government type. As a politician, you need to calculate how your action or how your decree

government type. As a politician, you need to calculate how your action or how your decree or regulation will affect the development of the country. So, I took two sheets of paper and started writing the cons. I always start with the cons. If tomorrow I declare to the press that

I've met with extraterrestrials or traveled on a spacecraft, what would people think? What would

my business associates say? They'd probably ask, "How can we possibly conduct business with you?

How could we entrust you with $100? You just hand it over to the aliens and fly away with them." So,

just the cons list was about 10 to 20 points. Then a second sheet of paper with the pros.

If tomorrow I tell journalists and my colleagues that I met with aliens, what would that give me?

Some PR? I was already well known in the country and worldwide. I had an audience. Maybe it would bring in more votes. But it's the opposite. People would start talking stuff. And that is precisely what happened. The 13th World Chess Champion, Gary Kasparov, immediately began to state, "What kind

what happened. The 13th World Chess Champion, Gary Kasparov, immediately began to state, "What kind of president of the World Chess Federation can Kersonen be? If he has met with aliens, he must be removed and replaced. How can he possibly lead the chess federation if he's

mentally unstable? The opposition, including communists and others within the Republic of

mentally unstable? The opposition, including communists and others within the Republic of Kalmikia, immediately will declare, "We absolutely must reelect the president of the republic. He is

clearly not fit for office. He needs to be sent to a mental institution. He needs to be treated." So,

there wasn't a single pro really. And so, I didn't mention it. I was thinking about it. And then as if in a dream one night while I was sleeping I heard, "What are you afraid of? Why aren't you speaking? You met with us, didn't you?" I thought, "What do I have to be afraid of? Perhaps I need to

speaking? You met with us, didn't you?" I thought, "What do I have to be afraid of? Perhaps I need to take a bold step or a heroic deed even. Someone has to be the first to speak up." If a farmer had said it or, you know, a doctor or just an ordinary laborer, they would probably say he'd had too much

vodka or perhaps took some substances and now telling stories. So, I've been thinking about it quite a bit. What if the president say it or even twice the president? Because I am both the president of the republic and the president of chess federation. Then they might treat it a little differently. But still when I spoke about it everyone just started laughing, mocking

and joking about it. And look almost 30 years have passed already and people still don't understand.

To this day they don't understand me. They think that they are alone in this universe and on this earth. Do you have any alternative explanation for what happened to Kan that night? Have you thought

earth. Do you have any alternative explanation for what happened to Kan that night? Have you thought of anything else that's possible beyond him being taken by extraterrestrials aboard a spacecraft?

Well, teleportation maybe. And you fully trust Kiran. He would never be dishonest with you.

He's a very honest man, an honest person. I've known him for a long time. As I said, I met him over 40 years ago. We've been going through life together ever since. It was the year 97. How old

was I? 35. 35 years old. And behind me, well, I was already the president of Kelmia. By the way, I entered the Guinness Book of Records twice. As the youngest president in the world and as the only person who held two official positions at the same time, president of the World Chess Federation

and president of the Republic of Kia and on top of that, I was a member of Parliament, a member of the Senate. I was also the president of the Russian Chamber of Entrepreneurs and an adviser to many presidents around the world including the president of South Korea and the president

of Mongolia. I had friends in many countries. I traveled a lot. One time I set a record. In a

of Mongolia. I had friends in many countries. I traveled a lot. One time I set a record. In a

single year I visited 108 countries. 108 in one year. That's amazing. And yeah, I wasn't going there as a tourist, not to look around the city or anything like that. I was going there to work. You

arrive in the morning, meet with the president, then hold a press conference with the prime minister. In the morning, you're in Uruguay. By lunch, you're in Paraguay. In the evening, Brazil,

minister. In the morning, you're in Uruguay. By lunch, you're in Paraguay. In the evening, Brazil, the next day, New York, Boston, then Canada, and so on. It was non-stop. Why am I saying all this?

To show that I wasn't some unstable person, right? I'm not crazy. Because when I said I had met with extraterrestrials, people thought Kanan had gone cuckoo off my rocker. Right. Right. I had a lot behind me, a lot of business. Back in the early 90s, I had more than 50 companies. I founded the

first trading exchange, Russian paper. So, I had business, politics, connections. I was friends with the Rockefeller family, the Henry Kissinger family, the Oppenheimer family, the Rothschild

family. I did business with families like that, traveled and so on. But but in September of 1997,

family. I did business with families like that, traveled and so on. But but in September of 1997, they came to me. They flew down from the sky. They landed and they said, "Kersonen,

come with us to the spaceship." Why do you think they took you? Did Did they tell you why they took you specifically? And not only me. Later after I gave that interview, dozens and even hundreds

you specifically? And not only me. Later after I gave that interview, dozens and even hundreds of politicians, even presidents of countries told me that they had met them too. A certain critical mass is forming. They took me and maybe they took some housewife and a pilot and someone else. They

keep taking more and more people. So I think they're following an evolutionary path to create a critical mass of understanding so that as many people as possible, as many living beings, humans would begin to realize that we are not alone. And they told me you are all egocentrics. I said,

"When will you start communicating with us, with me, with humanity?" And they said that when you reach a certain level of your civilization, your level of civilization does not allow us to speak with you and your level of civilization does not allow you to understand us. I mean even if you

look at our own history only about 400 years ago here in Europe in Italy right here nearby literally a 100red meters from here in the square people were being burned. People were taken and

burned for saying that the earth is round and that was only 400 years ago. They say, "What kind of civilization are you talking about?" Did you come back with any sort of marks on your body or any

physical effects? Any any anything change as far as your mentality? No. I could easily just make

physical effects? Any any anything change as far as your mentality? No. I could easily just make something up. Say they implanted some kind of chip in me or did something else changed me. But no,

something up. Say they implanted some kind of chip in me or did something else changed me. But no,

the only thing I truly felt was that deep down in my soul, I always believed and knew we were not alone. For me, this was a source of great joy. I was so happy that I, one of the very

not alone. For me, this was a source of great joy. I was so happy that I, one of the very few or perhaps many, actually got to see them. It brought me immense joy that I was able to witness them myself. But I didn't discover any mental or physical changes in my body or in my mental state.

them myself. But I didn't discover any mental or physical changes in my body or in my mental state.

It simply gave me the confidence that we need to actively try to seek out contact with them and for that we must work on our collective soul. Humanity I mean do you know where the aliens came from?

Did they come from another planet or a parallel dimension? Did they tell you specifically? I did

ask where are you from? That was one of the very first questions. I was really curious. You know,

I asked many questions and received a lot of answers. And I can't really talk about all of those questions and answers right now. Well, perhaps the time hasn't quite come yet, but I remember there were formulas like not on a blackboard, but like in space. He'd

conjure them up one after another. There were various symbols. I don't recall the letters or numbers. Now, I clearly saw it right there in front of me. What I truly regret now is

numbers. Now, I clearly saw it right there in front of me. What I truly regret now is When I returned home to my apartment, the three friends of mine started pushing me, asking, "What's up? Where have you been?" They couldn't believe where I was. But I just needed to grab

"What's up? Where have you been?" They couldn't believe where I was. But I just needed to grab a pen and write all of it down. Everything that I saw, cuz then it just kind of wore off and faded.

I mean, you know, one thing I can still clearly recall is that feeling of lightness and pure joy.

I was smiling the entire time and my friends would pinch me saying, "He's alive. He's alive." I told them I was on another planet. And even now, after all this time, was it 97? Yes. Almost

30 years have gone by. But still, when I think back on it, I always get this feeling of joy and a smile appears on my face. It's because I got to see my friends. Do you remember anything else that you learned from the answers they gave to your questions? The main thing I'd really like

to relay is the same what's written in those holy books. All these ancient texts did not appear out of nowhere. You know, the vadas, the Quran, the Bible, the Talmud. Or take Leonardo da Vinci for

of nowhere. You know, the vadas, the Quran, the Bible, the Talmud. Or take Leonardo da Vinci for example. He was given information as well. You see, how is it even possible, you might ask,

example. He was given information as well. You see, how is it even possible, you might ask, 500 years ago in the 15th century to sketch a submarine, a helicopter, an airplane, advanced technical devices that would only be invented centuries later? Where did these ideas come

to him from? This means they must have come from above. Perhaps aliens were the ones who told him.

When you look at the old irrigation systems, the whole water supply, the milleration work in Egypt, things no computer today could really calculate or the buildings in Peru or in Lebanon, in Egypt, the pyramids, they built it with such precision. Right now, no modern technology can, you know, actually recreate that. Even the largest cranes we have today couldn't lift these 100 ton stone

blocks, the slabs used in building ancient palaces. Meaning a person today just couldn't build that, couldn't build it now. So it must have been another civilization that built it and they still stand. Or take the pillar in the center of Delhi in India. It's got 99.9% iron and in

still stand. Or take the pillar in the center of Delhi in India. It's got 99.9% iron and in modern conditions, no metallurgical plant, not a single blast furnace can produce iron that pure.

You can walk right up to that pillar, touch it, all of that. Or for example, in Brazil, when they're sawing through marble mountains, cutting marble slabs, they find pieces of a clock inside the marble. They even found a gear. How is that possible? This marble took millions and millions

the marble. They even found a gear. How is that possible? This marble took millions and millions of years to form. And how did this metallic thing get in there? Many things like these, these artifacts that people seem to want to explain but thus far simply cannot. We interrupt this

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Now back to your regular scheduled programming. Uh you mentioned all these amazing figures that you met, Kissinger, Rockefeller, Rothschild, all these sort of, you know, names. Um can you talk about your interactions with Kissinger? You know, I've uh explored maybe the fact that he knew about

extraterrestrials and actually was in charge of some UFO efforts for the United States. Do you

think that was the case? I have met with Henry Kissinger many times. The first time was during my first visit with a parliamentary delegation from the Soviet Union in 1990, then again in 1991.

I visited him at his apartment. He is a chess player, a good one, too. We played more than once. Back then, in the 1990s, when we used to meet, the conversations were usually only

once. Back then, in the 1990s, when we used to meet, the conversations were usually only about politics. Then, a few years later, he was in Moscow during one of his visits to the

about politics. Then, a few years later, he was in Moscow during one of his visits to the city. He was friends with the first president of the Soviet Union, Mikail Sergey Gorbachov.

city. He was friends with the first president of the Soviet Union, Mikail Sergey Gorbachov.

I was also friends with Gorbachev. We communicated a lot. So one time Gorbachev called and said, "We're coming over. Heat up the sauna." So they both visited me. Henry Kissinger was watching me closely. He was a man of few words. When he was in company like that, he mostly kept quiet,

me closely. He was a man of few words. When he was in company like that, he mostly kept quiet, just asking questions. That's how he was. Very thoughtful. Talked about chess.

Back then the world championship was being held in the United States. He asked about the championship about the world champion. And then he suddenly asked well how was it? I didn't

understand. He was like how are they? How are they feeling? What were they talking about? At

first I thought maybe he was asking about some political meeting. He said well don't be shy.

I read, I heard about it. So I told him a bit about everything. He was like, "Yes, interesting, interesting, and not much else." And Gorbachev sitting next to him said, "Come on, Henry,

tell him. You should tell him everything." He just smiled, but he did not say anything at the time.

tell him. You should tell him everything." He just smiled, but he did not say anything at the time.

And then probably a few years later, we met him again. He was visiting Gorbachev and me as well.

They stopped by my place again. That time he was a bit more talkative and we had a bit of a conversation. From our discussion, I understood that he is very familiar with the materials, that

a conversation. From our discussion, I understood that he is very familiar with the materials, that he is well-versed and very deep in the subject, and that he knows a lot about the materials and the documents that are located at the United States President's Administration or CIA or

NASA. He was asking about it and talking about it in a professional way. Very interesting stuff.

NASA. He was asking about it and talking about it in a professional way. Very interesting stuff.

So then during this very meeting, Gorbachoff when the three of us were sitting reminded us about the folder that KGB chairman Yuri Andropov had told him about. They were friends with Gorbachev. And

so one time Andropov shared a story about the first meeting between the leader of the Soviet Union Leaned Brev and the president of the United States. I think it was Nixon at the time. After

the meeting ended and only a few people remained, the president of the United States had a small folder like this that he opened and showed to Brev and Andropov was present at that meeting.

He was invited as the chairman of the KGB. Something quite interesting was in that folder.

But after that meeting, all research and all flights to the moon suddenly stopped. You know,

the United States and the Soviet Union were in a race back then, a competition to see who would send more ships to the moon. The United States, NASA, sent astronauts. The very first astronaut, Armstrong, and others who landed and walked on the moon, and the Soviet Union, for its part,

sent rovers, and significant expeditions from both sides were already being prepared for deployment.

However, following this crucial meeting between the two presidents, everything abruptly came to a complete stop. All funding for lunar exploration was entirely halted, both from the Soviet Union

complete stop. All funding for lunar exploration was entirely halted, both from the Soviet Union and from US. And what it all came down to, just as Gorbachoff himself told me, was this very folder that the US president showed to our leader. Back then, there was a special department of

administration within the KGB of the USSR for researching these unknown flying and not just flying, but also underwater objects. They were found deep underwater. Some massive shining search

lights were observed and recorded by English, American, Soviet, and Russian sailors. And yet,

regardless of everything, the exploration of the moon simply ceased. Do you think Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping, these world leaders at the highest level, do you think they're aware of the alien presence and UFOs and UFO programs? Of course they understand. As leaders of nations, they must be

informed. Believe in yourself. Believe your own mind. That's on the one hand. On the other hand,

informed. Believe in yourself. Believe your own mind. That's on the one hand. On the other hand, individuals of such a significant caliber like Putin, Trump, Xiinping, Modi, and other leaders of these very large and influential nations are not simply people elected by the populace, but rather,

if one were to put it that way, people chosen by God or by the universal consciousness. They

say you just cast a ballot, you drop a piece of paper in there. But no, if people like that come to power, then they influence the course of the development of civilization, the course of the development of humanity. Whether it is good or bad, they are already influencing things. Not

by themselves, but through something that is given to them, some kind of force that comes from above, some combined energy that expresses itself in this president. and in another president as well. And that is why I always said that a president elected by the people is not only

as well. And that is why I always said that a president elected by the people is not only elected by the people, he is chosen by God. Have you ever asked to see a UFO? Assuming

that both the Russians and the Americans have them in their possession in different hangers, aerospace, have you ever said, "Hey, I was taken up on the ship. Can I maybe see a UFO?"

Well, leaders probably know something about it. I'm thinking of the president of the United States. Do you remember in 1961 or 1960? John Kennedy declared he wanted to declassify some

States. Do you remember in 1961 or 1960? John Kennedy declared he wanted to declassify some secret files concerning aliens and UFOs. But then a tragic incident occurred and he was killed.

They didn't allow him to reveal it. And to this day, everyone is still stirred up by Area 51 located in the United States. Recently, my friends were in the United States and wanted to drive up there to take a look. But when they drove up, the military didn't let them through.

It's guarded in a way that makes no sense. Like, it's the most secret site ever. They

don't let tourists in. They don't let anyone in. Nobody can really get close to it. What's there?

Maybe it's the remains of a spacecraft. Maybe someone is there. Maybe there are some kinds of technologies stored there. Well, something strange is there if they don't let anyone in.

And I was also speaking with one of the leaders of a certain country, a European nation. Back then,

I had extremely good relations with him. And when I was a guest at his home, we went for a walk.

We had some tea then left the house and walked in the park for a while and he was telling me something very interesting about these things. I said well you should tell people give an interview if you have the material. He's not the president anymore. That was I think 25 30 years ago. He says

I cannot I do not have the right to say. I met several times with the previous pope John Paul II.

I think it was during his time in the late 80s. The pope signed a decree and a special observatory was established right there inside the Vatican. They've opened an observatory and appointed one of their bishops as the director for research into all these extraterrestrial civilizations and UFOs.

If the Vatican has opened it, then there must be something to it. So, the Vatican has a dedicated UFO researcher in the observatory. Well, as far as I know, their research is classified, but such a department still exists to this day. It hasn't been disbanded. But back then, when I met the

Roman Pope in 1994, I didn't quite understand it. He had this phrase, well, not exactly a phrase, but the idea was that we are not alone. We are not alone in this universe. You know,

he was friends with the 14th Dalai Lama, the head of the Buddhists. They would periodically meet and hold debates on the soul's reincarnation, like how a person dies, how many times they are reborn, is there rebirth, is there life after death? In Christianity, a person is born and then there's

the judgment of God. You either go to heaven or you go to hell. Right? But in Buddhism, a person is reborn. They live again. They go through 108 lives. One life, then another all the way to the

is reborn. They live again. They go through 108 lives. One life, then another all the way to the 108th. I'm living my 69th life. Now, that's what the Buddhist monks told me. So, I take this life

108th. I'm living my 69th life. Now, that's what the Buddhist monks told me. So, I take this life calmly. If something doesn't work out in the end, if I don't manage to discuss everything, don't get

calmly. If something doesn't work out in the end, if I don't manage to discuss everything, don't get to meet other civilizations. will well for now I think humanity isn't ready to communicate directly to meet with them because we haven't yet risen in our spiritual and mental development. What

do you think the Daly Lama thinks about UFOs and extraterrestrials? Well, he also says we're not alone. But the Dalai Lama and Buddhism, they look at it in a much broader way. I see it the same way

alone. But the Dalai Lama and Buddhism, they look at it in a much broader way. I see it the same way as well. Meaning, you do need to look up there far into the sky. But we keep looking out there

as well. Meaning, you do need to look up there far into the sky. But we keep looking out there while we still haven't really studied what's going on right here in our own head. Our brain is right here in our head. But it only works at 3 to 4%. Some use 1%, others maybe a little more like those

who play chess, perhaps four or 5%, maybe more. But 95% of our brain remains unexplored. Perhaps

if we study the brain more for instance in Russia there's a brain institute. If we delve deeper into brain research then perhaps without any need for spacecraft or such we will be able to move through space we will communicate with each other. We will become much smarter and so on. And therefore while

serving as the president I led the world chess federation for 23 long years. And for me the guiding principle was this. 1 billion intelligent people, 1 billion chess players can truly change the world. We must change the world specifically within our own consciousness. And so I tried to

the world. We must change the world specifically within our own consciousness. And so I tried to introduce chess in schools. So children would start playing from childhood. Why? Because chess

is the only activity that allows you to train both the left and right hemispheres to look one move ahead, two moves ahead, five moves ahead. And if people for their own good learn to look ahead, then I believe there will be peace and people will spend more of their money on science,

on healthcare. You know, back in my time in the '9s, I addressed the heads of state at the United

on healthcare. You know, back in my time in the '9s, I addressed the heads of state at the United Nations, every single year, we spend trillions and trillions of dollars on creating weapons just to kill one another. And imagine if all 203 countries, the ones in the UN, agreed and said,

"Let's take this year and all those what a hundred billion or even a trillion dollars that go into making weapons, rockets, bombs, all kinds of munitions, and instead direct it toward the study of our human brain, or for the creation of a new medicine against oncology, against cancer, against

diabetes, against Alzheimer's disease. Let's take these funds and direct them towards ourselves for our health and for the study of our own brains. Then perhaps we would develop much faster. But for

some reason the members of parliament and people elect these parliaments whether it's in Britain, in America, wherever there's a parliament, in Congo, in different countries, in Argentina.

What do those deputies end up voting for? For the military budget instead of spending just 3 to 5% of that money on medicine, on healthcare, on inventing new drugs, to cure ourselves, to study our own brains. These deputies who are supposed to represent the people, they say, "Let's just

make more weapons." Presidents also elected by the people signed decrees. Let's keep making weapons.

But if they were to play chess, they would realize that the weapons they are inventing will in the end kill not only them but will destroy all of humanity. What is the point of this? It is not needed. So chess, it's something that was brought in from somewhere else. Man didn't invent them.

needed. So chess, it's something that was brought in from somewhere else. Man didn't invent them.

You see, aliens invented it. Extraterrestrials invented it. Other civilizations invented it.

Why does the chessboard have exactly 64 squares on it? 64 squares. Our DNA is made up of 64 DNA coids. This is, you know, like information transfer or in all the chess sets that were

coids. This is, you know, like information transfer or in all the chess sets that were found in America, in Peru, in China, in India, in Japan. Everywhere there are black and white squares, black and white. What does that mean? It's yin and yang, good and evil,

man and woman. This represents the law of unity and struggle of opposites. This is the specific code. And so I want to take this opportunity to present to you. These are kmic national chess made

code. And so I want to take this opportunity to present to you. These are kmic national chess made of felt because we kmix are nomads. Genghaskhan is our ancestor, a Mongol. He went from one ocean all the way to the other ocean, the great Genghaskhan. And all the nomads, every single one played chess.

And these chess sets were crafted from felt. This is what they actually look like. And this,

you see, is the board itself. It's a felt one, as you can tell. And these, of course, are the actual pieces. These figures, you can see they're all made from bones of different animals. And this is how it opens up when you're out on a trip. Wow, it's beautiful. Here's a chess

animals. And this is how it opens up when you're out on a trip. Wow, it's beautiful. Here's a chess board. And then we'll arrange all the pieces. This is beautiful. There you go. What's your

board. And then we'll arrange all the pieces. This is beautiful. There you go. What's your

favorite piece on the chess board? A knight. Indeed. Here's the knight. Are you're a master, right? You're a chess master. Yes. So, you must be very good. First move, please.

right? You're a chess master. Yes. So, you must be very good. First move, please.

Yeah. G2 D4. D2. D4. Yeah. I propose we call it a draw. Perfect. the the first time I've ever gotten a draw with a master like yourself and maybe the last time too, but thank you for taking

mercy on me. So, when it comes to chess, you see in Mongolia, there are archaeological excavations, burial mounds, and in one of these burial mounds, they actually found these kinds of figures, some of which are more than 5,000 years old. in Peru as well, in Latin countries, in America,

in some other countries. They also discover chess pieces or chess boards that are several thousand years old. So, it must be the universal. Back then, there was no communication, no internet,

years old. So, it must be the universal. Back then, there was no communication, no internet, nothing at all. So, how did chess get here? It must have been brought here by another civilization. For what purpose? In order for a person to become a bit smarter, yeah,

civilization. For what purpose? In order for a person to become a bit smarter, yeah, it's necessary to develop your mind. You've shown a lot of courage in even discussing extraterrestrials and your experience with them. Have you ever met anybody else on your level, you know, who's prominent in business or a world leader, president of another country

who also has gotten abducted and come, you know, gone up on an alien spaceship?

Well, I can speak about some people but not about the others because they are currently active politicians. But I can tell you about the billionaire, a very well-known businessman in Italy, Zampirini. He claimed to have met with aliens. He himself is from Italy. He was the owner of the football club Sicilia. So when he heard my interview,

from Italy. He was the owner of the football club Sicilia. So when he heard my interview, he called right away and invited me over. And then he showed me a field. He had this wheat field, you see, where a spaceship had landed on several occasions. The very first time it landed,

it left these distinct circles on the ground. He invited scientists. They photographed everything.

And then he made these golden plates with imprints of the spacecraft's landing and gave them to me. I

have one of them at home framed on the wall. My other friend, well, I can't name him just yet.

He's the president of a country, a very large one. I was visiting him at his place. During dinner,

his wife said to him, "Kerson spoke publicly about the aliens. So go on, tell the story. They both

witnessed it." The president and his wife, the first lady, were on vacation on the coast fishing, and this ship was descending there. and he says, "Well, how am I supposed to talk about it? I have

elections coming up. I am the president of this country, the leader of the party. I'm not yet as crazy as you are, and I will not reveal it." He said while he was fishing, he met the aliens. Did they come down on the spaceship and come out to him? He saw them. Yes. He said

the aliens. Did they come down on the spaceship and come out to him? He saw them. Yes. He said

it happened during fishing and he saw them quite closely. Another famous person is Vasilei Smith, the world chess champion. At the opening ceremony of the world chess championship in the Kremlin after it had been officially opened, there was a formal reception followed by a banquet. And

at that banquet, he came up to me with his wife Nadeshda. He was quite tall, about 2 m. He took me aside by the elbow, pulling me away very politely. He leaned in slightly to my ear so no one would

hear and said, "Kersonen, tell me. Tell me, did you actually meet them?" "Did you meet them?" Then

he leaned back, looking me in the eye. Just answer yes or no. Yes or no. I said, "Yes, of course."

Then he turned to his wife and said, "That's it. That's it. Can we publish the recordings now?"

I say, "Why? What happened?" And he said, "In 1974, I've already forgotten whether it was 74 or 72, but in the 70s, he played a match in Germany against a German chess player, Hubner. And right before the first game in his hotel room, he caught a slight cold and had just

Hubner. And right before the first game in his hotel room, he caught a slight cold and had just ordered some hot tea. So he was just sitting in his office deep in thought analyzing the game planning all his moves and then you could say an alien appeared right before him. He says it

was like well not a physical being but more like an image a translucent entity or something and it started moving the pieces on the board. So if it was moving the pieces then it must have been material and it showed him the whole match and the next day the game repeated one to one

the exact chess match that he played against an extraterrest and documented it in his records but later when he returned to Moscow back to the Soviet Union his wife strictly advised him not to speak of it to anyone after all he was the world chess champion. So I asked, "Why didn't you tell

us back then in the 70s, 50 years ago?" He said, "If I had said anything, they would have taken me to a nutouse." I go, "But I did spoke up." And he was like, "Well, you're the president. They

probably wouldn't risk taking you there just yet." At the time of your abduction, uh Boris Yeltson was president. Uh, did you call him and did you say, "Hey, I went up on the spaceship with the

was president. Uh, did you call him and did you say, "Hey, I went up on the spaceship with the aliens and how did he react?" You are constantly using the term abducted. I was invited by them.

You were invited. You were invited. However, there was no dedicated meeting about this subject. The

president of Russia regularly holds meetings inviting governors and presidents of republics.

And at one of the meetings, we were already leaving. Yeltson said, "Kersonson, please stay for a couple of minutes." I thought it was just a question about Kelmikia. So, I stayed. He goes,

"Have a seat. Have a seat." We didn't sit at the main table where the meeting was, but in another area with armchairs and a sofa. So, we moved a bit into another room, another part of the office. So,

we sat down. He was right in front of me and said, "It's been reported to me that you've been up there." He was choosing his words so carefully up there on a spacecraft. He was being

serious but also somewhat joking. I said, "Yes, something like that happened." I briefly told the story. He was like, "Yes, I know. I heard about it. Is everything okay? He asks me. All good,

story. He was like, "Yes, I know. I heard about it. Is everything okay? He asks me. All good,

I said. You mean my mental state, right? Am I thinking clearly? I haven't gone completely mad.

He just stood up and gave me a pat. He said, "All right, then carry on with work." And so I went on to continue working. Did you ever speak to Putin, who you've had a long relationship with, about your experience in 1997? Yes. But there wasn't a specific conversation about that either.

It actually took place after our meeting. Vladimir Putin invited me specifically to discuss issues related to the Republic of Kalmikia as well as the chess championship. So after the presentation, he took off his jacket and then he said, "Please tell me exactly how everything transpired, how it

all unfolded." It was a very polite conversation. Then he asked, "Were you in your right mind then?"

all unfolded." It was a very polite conversation. Then he asked, "Were you in your right mind then?"

"You weren't drunk, were you?" "Everything was normal." I said, "Yes, I was completely in my right mind." He asked, "Why did you decide to speak about it?" I said, "Well, they asked me

right mind." He asked, "Why did you decide to speak about it?" I said, "Well, they asked me to share the story. It's interesting for other people." He says, "Well, yes, yes, I told him.

I thought about it for a long time and of course it's not really normal for me as a politician.

What I'm saying voters, people, Russians, they won't take me seriously. But on the other hand, for me, this is the absolute truth and I must speak the truth. I'm not a careerist. I don't want to constantly be climbing the corporate ladder or anything like that. For me, the most crucial thing

is to convey the truth. If I manage to do that, what more could I possibly say? I thought more people would pay attention. I've long since begun to realize that we are not alone. That science

and government need to pay attention to allocate money and resources. That they shouldn't treat people with irony if they saw a flying saucer somewhere, but rather approach it scientifically at the state level through intergovernmental research to exchange information. And therefore,

as president of the republic, I officially stated, I am of sound mind and I am saying that we are not alone on this planet and we are not alone in the cosmos. We need to take this matter seriously and dedicate ourselves to it. Do you think Putin takes the issue of extraterrestrials and UFOs

seriously? Do you think he's investigated them and uh really, you know, is interested in that topic?

seriously? Do you think he's investigated them and uh really, you know, is interested in that topic?

I know for a fact that this is of utmost importance and many presidents and governments, leaders of countries, including Vladimir Putin are involved. He takes everything very seriously. He

examines every issue in great detail. Whenever he sits down to have a conversation with you, he always has a pen and a paper. And no matter what questions are asked, even chess related ones, he meticulously writes them all down. Vladimir Putin's memory is truly phenomenal. He remembers

everything with great clarity. We've known each other since 1993. It been 32 years now. It was in 93 when I was elected president of Kikia. I was invited to St. Petersburg by Governor Anatoli Sochek. At that time we signed the very first interregional agreement between St. Petersburg and

Sochek. At that time we signed the very first interregional agreement between St. Petersburg and

the Republic of Kikia. And I am grateful to Soch and Vladimir Putin who was then serving as vice governor. And thanks to this particular agreement, we were able to provide a great deal of assistance

governor. And thanks to this particular agreement, we were able to provide a great deal of assistance to Kelmikia. We also helped the St. Petersburg city hall to restore a Buddhist temple. It was

to Kelmikia. We also helped the St. Petersburg city hall to restore a Buddhist temple. It was

built there in St. Petersburg to commemorate the centenery of the victory over the French. Remember

when Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812? Then in 1814, Russian forces defeated the French army and Napoleon. And in Paris in 1814, the very first troops to enter the city were the Calm Cavalry

Napoleon. And in Paris in 1814, the very first troops to enter the city were the Calm Cavalry Ksac regiments, riding on camels, no less. Yes, they actually rode into Paris on their camels.

And among the crowds gathered to greet them, a well-known French writer, Honore de Balzac, was standing there observing the scene. And he saw the Kmix. He even wrote an essay titled Kmix in Paris. And another famous French writer, Alexander Duma, was invited by one of the Kalmic warriors,

Paris. And another famous French writer, Alexander Duma, was invited by one of the Kalmic warriors, our prince. He came to visit. He arrived in the Kmic steps and lived there for 3 months.

our prince. He came to visit. He arrived in the Kmic steps and lived there for 3 months.

watching camel races and horse races. And he wrote a great deal about the Kalmic people, Kelmix. We are not Buddhists by nature. We are Tangrians. Tangri translated from Kelmic

Kelmix. We are not Buddhists by nature. We are Tangrians. Tangri translated from Kelmic and Mongolian means sky. We Kelmix believe in the great sky. That is why I love space. Why

I flew into space. Why aliens come here from space? Because all the time my grandmother and the older generations would pray and would tell us to look to the sky, the great sky, the great blue sky. And when Genghaskhan began his great campaigns, the great Genghaskhan always

turned to the sky. Oh great sky, oh great Tangri, give me strength, Tangri, give me strength, sky.

We draw our energy from the sky, from space, from the stars. And for Kalmics, our gaze has always been turned upward, always looking there. That is Tangrianism. And then

there's another great Kalmick who influenced the history of 16th of the land on earth was our fellow countryman Vladimir Leninov, the founder of the Soviet state and the Communist Party.

The great October revolution took place as you know and on 16th of the land on earth which is 22.4 million square kilometers a socialist system was established and after that a communist system

was supposed to be established. So Lenin was a kmic. His grandmother was Kmic and his grandfather was a colmic named Ulan. Ulan is a Kmic word and that is why we Kmiks are proud that our countryman

Lenin Ulanov influenced the development of all humanity. And when the Democrats came to power in Moscow in the '90s, the conversation began about removing him from the mausoleum, you know, on Red Square. The mausoleum Lenin is lying there or rather Lenin's body, the corpse of Lenin. And

when the Democrats wanted to remove him from there to reberry him elsewhere, I spoke out in his defense as the president of Kelmia, I said that if they did not want Lenin in Moscow, I was ready to move the mausoleum to Kikia to Alista and let our countrymen rest with us in Kelmikia.

You know, there are a couple of uh different from the US from interviews that I've done.

uh a couple of times the UFOs have come up in the context of Russia. I was speaking to a presidential adviser of JFK, LBJ, Nixon and Ford and he was friends with Anatoli Doinan and Doinan once brought up UFOs with him and said he was very interested and I don't know if you know this but um Medvidev many years ago I think he might have even been president

at the time gave an interview and it was on April Fool's Day u but the interviewer asked him a question and he brought up UFOs and he said the UFOs are locked up with the nuclear codes. And he was saying it like it was a joke, but you couldn't really tell. Maybe

codes. And he was saying it like it was a joke, but you couldn't really tell. Maybe

he was a little more serious than than met the eye. And so it was very very interesting.

And I know you you were um very close with Putin for a very long time and you advised him very closely, right? Like we were at at dinner the other day and you said that um you advised Putin to um uh uh join NATO in the early 2000s. Is that correct? As the president of Kelmikia, I was part of the state council of the Russian Federation which is headed by the president.

When Yeltson came and then Putin, the communist ideology disappeared. So we declared that we would build a market-based state. What I mean is those fundamental principles, things like human rights and so on were affirmed by the constitution of the Russian Federation.

So then the Berlin wall was destroyed completely. Germany was reunited. The Federal Republic of Germany and the GDR, the German Democratic Republic. Everything came together. Seems like

there's no wall between us. We need to stop the arms race. At that time, Gorbachev was told that NATO would not advance further, meaning it would stop. So we were discussing the next steps. And

as one of the suggestions, I would say Vladimir Putin made a true chess move. He then suggested to Western countries that Russia could also join NATO. The confrontation was between NATO and the

Warsaw Pact. Now the Warsaw Pact is disbanded. It's all gone. The communist idea gone. So now we

Warsaw Pact. Now the Warsaw Pact is disbanded. It's all gone. The communist idea gone. So now we have a common enemy, terrorism. Osama bin Laden was the face of it. Then when September 11th

happened, Putin was the very first president to call the president of the United States of America to express condolences to the American people and the president of the United States. And so

the president of Russia said, "Why don't we unite together in the fight against a common evil? Yes,

terrorism. But on the other hand, there are good and not so good extraterrestrials, right? Some of them might even want to enslave our earth. So we need to defend ourselves against a

right? Some of them might even want to enslave our earth. So we need to defend ourselves against a cosmic threat. Not in the sense that someone wants to bomb us, but you know when a huge asteroid is

cosmic threat. Not in the sense that someone wants to bomb us, but you know when a huge asteroid is flying toward us, something like that could wipe out our entire civilization. So we also need to prepare a kind of weapon that could break up that asteroid before it even reaches Earth. That's what

our president of Russia meant, that we should unite against a common enemy of humanity. So why

aren't we combining our efforts? But back then they didn't listened to that idea. And if they had followed through if a dialogue had begun, it would have been good for us ordinary people, for us simple citizens of Earth. I see myself not only as a citizen of the Republic of Kelmeia, not only

as a citizen of the Russian Federation. I feel like a citizen of our earth, meaning I consider myself a member of Earth itself. In 93 when I became president of the Republic of Kelmikia, I abolished the old constitution and we adopted a new one, a new constitution of Kalikia. And in

94 we had a new article 10. Our article number 10. It states that all citizens of the republic of Kalikia meaning everyone living in Kalikia are responsible for everything that happens on

the planet on earth for hunger in Africa for the ozone hole. Let's say somewhere over Australia where because of these greenhouse gases and all that a hole might be forming if some asteroid is

flying toward us all of that. We actually put that into our constitutional norms. Meaning we wrote in there that we are responsible not only for the problems on the territory of the Republic of Kelmikia or the Russian Federation, but that we carry responsibility for the continuation of

life on Earth so that we pass this planet, our life here onto our children, our grandchildren, our descendants and leave it in the same condition in which we received it. And we wrote that into the constitution of Kalmikia that we must unite. That was the message our president was sending.

And what we wrote into the constitution of Kalikia in 94 became a constitutional norm. Meaning we are responsible for all of this. And thanks to that constitution in the schools of the Republic of Kelmikia students began receiving lectures on ethnoplanetary thinking. We began developing

ethnoplanetary thinking in children, an ethno way of thinking so that a person's thinking, people's thinking wouldn't be limited. So that a child's consciousness, a young person's consciousness wouldn't be confined by the borders of their city or by the borders of the United

States or France or Russia, but by the borders of the North and South Poles. Our earth is our home, our native home. And we have to protect this home and pass it on to others. That's the main message.

And the aliens who come here and observe us. They want us to pass this planet on in good condition so that we keep developing and eventually reach their level. This is what Buddhism teaches.

On that note, when you mentioned Nixon and Brev speaking and Nixon giving information to the Soviet Union in the 70s about what the CIA and the White House knew about UFOs and aliens, was there ever a time where there was a joint space effort uh where both the Soviets and the US were working

on UFOs and alien technology together? uh and if not, do you think it's possible in the future?

Of course, there were contacts and cooperation between the ministries of defense of the United States of America, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union. If these contacts had not occurred,

a nuclear war could have started, some major armed conflict. very large unidentified underwater craft were discovered and cited in the Pacific Ocean. The United States Marine Forces believed it might

be a new weapon developed by the Soviet Union. And on the other side, our submariners thought it was an American weapon and an incredibly powerful one. And not only there, it was found in the Baltic Sea, the North Sea region, and the Atlantic Ocean. everywhere. After that, despite everything,

intelligence agencies and ministries began reaching out to each other. That's how it happened. It is a rare situation, but an exchange was still underway to prevent this collision,

happened. It is a rare situation, but an exchange was still underway to prevent this collision, and it was recorded. And not only there, many such objects were recorded in the sky as well, but the public receives this information in small doses. On the one hand, I believe that

it is the right thing. If all this information were simply given to a common person, they could lose their mind. Humanity needs to be prepared gradually. Such broadcasts, the interviews you conduct. They help reduce this cosmic illiteracy. I would say, wow. Where did you learn about the

conduct. They help reduce this cosmic illiteracy. I would say, wow. Where did you learn about the information that the United States and the Soviet Union were coordinating on finding these objects underwater in the Baltic Sea in the Atlantic Ocean? Where did you learn about this? Well,

first of all, I served in the Army in special forces communication troops. We had classified communications equipment, space stations. During the exercises on the Black Sea, several dozen unidentified craft flew in directly. People even photographed them with simple cameras. This was in

1981. The guys went out with those basic cameras and took pictures. But then a commission arrived

1981. The guys went out with those basic cameras and took pictures. But then a commission arrived from Moscow from the central headquarters. All the cameras were taken away and destroyed. Everyone

was made to sign an agreement that nobody would say anything that nobody saw anything in the sky, nothing at all. And such agreements still exist to this day. I signed one of those as well.

That is why there is military secrecy. But there are journalists who must reveal this secrecy at times in order to preserve, I repeat, humanity. Right now, the question is about preserving our planet. Yeah. Well, I I I hope you inspire the world with this interplanetary curriculum that

planet. Yeah. Well, I I I hope you inspire the world with this interplanetary curriculum that you were instituting in Kelia. uh because I do think you know if there's a reality a greater reality to the extraterrestrial presence I think it's important that young people know and are

aware of this um one thing I wanted to ask you is you had some interactions with the great mystic Babaanga who foretold a lot of what eventually happened in your life and she was famous for being so psychic and so mentally attuned that she could do this with many people but you experienced it yourself in your own personal life is Is that right? It is no coincidence that the

Academy of Sciences of France and Belgium officially recognized her back in the 70s, 50 years ago as humanity's number one phenomenon. And I am truly grateful to fate to my good fortune for the fact that I met extraterrestrials and that I met Sai Baba and that I meet with the Dalai Lama

and with Baba Vanga. Baba Vanga is a phenomenon of humanity. She was a blind old woman. As a child, when she was little, she lost her sight at 12. She was already blind before the Second World War and she lived in a simple village. At first, people came to her from nearby villages, then from

nearby towns, and later from different countries. And when I met with her, people stood in line for her. They booked appointments a year in advance. English bankers, Arab shakes, prime ministers,

her. They booked appointments a year in advance. English bankers, Arab shakes, prime ministers, and heads of state all signed up. She and I were friends. I met with her 20, 30 times, maybe 40.

I met with her many times, not just because I wanted to learn something about my own future, but simply because sometimes she called, I would fly in, and it was interesting for me myself to see how she knew things. I asked her how. For her, the present, as it were, simply didn't exist. She

calmly moved between the future and the past. She could see such a unique gift. I asked her, "Where did it come from?" She said, "Kersonen, I truly don't know. It's as if something just opens up like a channel, you know, like a kind of corridor." And she saw these images. She was able

to perceive the information. Well, to put it in modern language, Baba Vanga was like a conductor.

She probably connected to this vast immense cosmic computer. This is what's called a deity god, right? This is some kind of database, isn't it? Like a hard drive. All information about

right? This is some kind of database, isn't it? Like a hard drive. All information about the past and the future is recorded there on the computer's disc. And she would just access it like an antenna, read the information and say it out loud. I wanted to ask her, "Where should I go now?

Where should I establish my main business? In the United States or should I stay in Europe, in Switzerland or Russia? And I didn't even get to finish the question. She could read minds, you know, like aliens or like uh the people of Atlantis. And then all of a sudden, she tells me,

"Ah, you'll go back home. You'll be the leader. You'll be president there." I said, "Well, I'm still quite young. I was only 29 years old at the time. Besides, I'm not planning to well return to Calmia. I want to continue developing myself. I'm in Moscow now and then to America.

That's what I want. No, she says, "You'll be there a long time. You'll work a long time." I say, "No. Are you kidding me? Just tell me exactly where I'll be working. In Switzerland, in Geneva,

"No. Are you kidding me? Just tell me exactly where I'll be working. In Switzerland, in Geneva, or will I be working in New York?" She says, "Oh, you won't go. You'll be back soon. soon you'll be going back. And half a year later, I'm nominated as president, a candidate for the presidency

going back. And half a year later, I'm nominated as president, a candidate for the presidency of Kelmikia. The elections were incredibly challenging, very intense. My opponents included

of Kelmikia. The elections were incredibly challenging, very intense. My opponents included a well-known general, a hero of the Soviet Union, a veteran of the Afghan war, and a deputy of the Soviet Parliament. Another one was the first secretary of the regional party committee. And I,

at that time, was only 29, just turning 30 years old. And yet, I won. I won. And the day before that, it was still completely unclear. They didn't even count the ballots. But a telegram arrived from Bulgaria. It said Kalikia to President Keren, meaning Baba Vanga already knew well in advance,

from Bulgaria. It said Kalikia to President Keren, meaning Baba Vanga already knew well in advance, you see, that I would become president. Then in the spring of 1995, in April of 95, Baba Vanga and

her niece call me saying, "Kerson, come here." And the niece briskly asks, "Kerson, what happened to you?" It's as if Baba Vanga sees two Kerans, two presidents. I arrive at Baba Vanga's place and we

you?" It's as if Baba Vanga sees two Kerans, two presidents. I arrive at Baba Vanga's place and we sit down. She was having a meal. The weather was warm outside, so she was at the outdoor table with

sit down. She was having a meal. The weather was warm outside, so she was at the outdoor table with those typical rustic benches. I sat down across from her and Baba Vanga then said, "Oh, Ken, he's so thin, yet he's sitting on two chairs." That is to say, the bench was like two seats. He occupies

two chairs, two presidential positions. I said, "Baba Vanga, I am just the president of Kelmikia now. There's so much work. What other presidency could there be?" She laughed and said, "You will

now. There's so much work. What other presidency could there be?" She laughed and said, "You will lead. You will be the head of a very, very big global organization. The organization of the

lead. You will be the head of a very, very big global organization. The organization of the smartest people, that is to say, chess players." This took place in April of 95. And then on November 24th, 95, just 6 months later in Paris, I was elected president of chess federation.

And she calls me, "Oh, you've become a double president, two presidents." And I was entered into the Guinness book as a person holding two elected posts simultaneously. This is all Baba Vanga. She

made many more predictions about 10 major ones. And from 10 of them, eight predictions came true.

That's amazing. Did Did you ever talk to her about your um going up on the alien spaceship? Did you

ever talk to her about extraterrestrials? And do you think she knew anything about those subjects?

She knew we weren't alone here. And one time I accompanied her from the small house where she rested and received people and we walked. She was blind. So she took my hand and we walked quietly.

She had so many flowers in her yard and suddenly she stopped by one flower. How are you? How is he doing? She asked about someone specific. Then she paused by another flower and I asked her,

doing? She asked about someone specific. Then she paused by another flower and I asked her, "Who exactly are you speaking with?" She replied, "I'm speaking with so and so." She could see it.

A person would die and their souls would remain. So she spoke with invisible beings and with souls and people, well, extraterrestrials, they might be materialized souls from past lives. In Buddhism,

we live 108 lives. And some beings can materialize. She was talking to them all the time. And one time she even told me that it was hard to live. Very hard. She says, "Kersonen,

the time. And one time she even told me that it was hard to live. Very hard. She says, "Kersonen, it's so hard. She would get up at night." Look, just imagine she lived here in the current time.

And at the same time, she lived in the past and in the future. Meaning, she talked to people who had already died, who were no longer here. and she talked to those who hadn't been born yet, who would be born 10 or 100 years from now. She moved between realities, but sometimes

she couldn't, I guess, make contact. For several days, she wouldn't receive anyone. She would say, "I don't hear anything." And the people who had appointments would wait another few days and she kept saying, "I don't hear anything. I don't see anything." Even though she was blind. And I asked

her, I said, "So, are we alone here?" Or, she even hit me a little and said, "What's wrong with you? Are you stupid or what? Can't you see? It's all around you. There it is. There it is. It's

you? Are you stupid or what? Can't you see? It's all around you. There it is. There it is. It's

absolutely everywhere. It's here and it's there on the ground and underneath the ground and up in the sky. Baba Vanga, she saw all of this. And for her, it was a torment because she was constantly among

sky. Baba Vanga, she saw all of this. And for her, it was a torment because she was constantly among them. And so she always had to return to this reality. We never really talked about, you know,

them. And so she always had to return to this reality. We never really talked about, you know, spacecraft or anything like that. We just didn't go into that. But what we did talk about and what she herself kept telling me was this was that she sees these entities everywhere, these

uh these souls. And that's why people went to her and the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences studied her, the French Academy of Sciences as well. And her predictions Not just some of them, most of them. I

forgot the exact number, but around 90%. 95%. Even judging by my own experience, yeah, a lot of the things she told me a year later, 10 years later, 20 years later, they came true. And when I came to see her, my friends, ministers, governors, really important people would ask me to talk to her on

their behalf. I can't talk about them. They're a bit shy. And then a year, two or 10 years later,

their behalf. I can't talk about them. They're a bit shy. And then a year, two or 10 years later, what Baba Vanga told them, it came true. You mentioned an underground civilization. And I

just did actually a documentary about Peru where they have these beings that have three fingers, three toes, and they're mummies. And it looks like they're coming out of tunnels underground.

And there's even speculation that it's a global civilization. There was a a being found in the snow in Siberia. And it was right after actually a UFO appeared in Kutsk. Uh where a lot of people, the villagers of Kutsk said, "We see a UFO. We see a UFO." There was a bright light. It seemed to be

a crash. And then two of the villagers, these two students found this Russian,

a crash. And then two of the villagers, these two students found this Russian, this this little snow alien is what it's called. And that's actually I wouldn't be with you today if I hadn't had covered that story because uh Marshall I I basically said if anybody knows these guys who see who saw the alien get in contact with me cuz I want to see whether it's real or fake or

you know what's what's going on with this being. And because the being looks so much like what I saw in Peru so I wondered if it's like some global underground civilization. And so my my question is do you think there's some underground civilization that's maybe as advanced or more advanced than

human beings? Well, I don't just think I am sure. I know. Even Baba Vanga told me. Sometimes she

human beings? Well, I don't just think I am sure. I know. Even Baba Vanga told me. Sometimes she

would point down with her finger and say they are talking there. They are there. And I asked her who is there? I thought she meant the people who had been buried. No, she said they live there.

That was the kind of conversation we had. And I know some scientists who study caves and rocks.

When I was in the Caucasus, when I was in India, in Tibet, in the Alaii, they found traces there, places where someone lived or where someone still lives and comes out from there. For me

this is natural. In some books and studies it is written that deep down all the way to the core of the earth there are civilizations there as well. They live there maybe in some different form.

Scientists keep discovering things. There was a volcano recently. I forgot which one. Lava was

erupting and in that magma they discovered living beings, microbes. So there is life even in that molten mass. If these microorganisms exist there, then other forms of life exist as well. Fairy

molten mass. If these microorganisms exist there, then other forms of life exist as well. Fairy

tales and legends did not appear for no reason. There is the Kalmic epic called Jungari. It was

passed down from generation to generation. It's not just centuries but even millennia old. And it was passed down not in writing but through songs through these ancient tales. And

old. And it was passed down not in writing but through songs through these ancient tales. And

in the Jungre epic, the underworld is described. How creatures live there, how they communicate, how they come to the surface. Sometimes they don't come out, they get recorded. That's how

it is. Well, it needs to be studied. That's why I say governments should seriously pay attention to this and officially allocate funds. But it's not just governments. There are also many businessmen, including American ones I know, who, so to speak, direct money towards studying these

extraterrestrial civilizations and civilizations that are underwater. It's quite fascinating to observe. We're launching cosmic vessels, sending satellites to Mars, to Venus, way, way out into

observe. We're launching cosmic vessels, sending satellites to Mars, to Venus, way, way out into deep space, aren't we? Yet we can't construct an underwater device that could descend to a depth of 10 or even 11 km. Quite remarkable, isn't it? Because it's getting torn apart. We fly into space

to the stars. But here on Earth, on our own Earth, we go underwater for about 8 km. If you take the Earth's crust, like an apple, just imagine an apple. Then the Earth's crust is like the peel of that apple. and the rest down to the earth's core. How many thousands? 40,000 kilometers. Is

that right? How many different beings, different civilizations live there? There are many and they also fight each other there. They set rules sometimes coming to the surface. When John Paul II said that we are not alone in the universe, do you think he was referring to extraterrestrials?

I don't know if I could go back to that conversation, I would ask him in more detail.

Sometimes when speaking with great people, I feel happy that from an early age, life brought me together with such remarkable individuals and geniuses as John Paul II, his holiness the Dalai Lama, Baba Vanga, Sai Bababa and many others. Henry Kissinger, other presidents, unusual people,

scientists, Joris Alfarov, a Nobel Prize winner, a very strong physicist. You know these kinds of minds, the greatest minds, real geniuses, all of them said we are not alone. So how do we

understand that? That means you know we are a part it seems of that grand thing called the universe

understand that? That means you know we are a part it seems of that grand thing called the universe and there are energies but people well people sure they're beings but we often look at it too

narrowly as if intelligence can only exist inside a body yet take ball lightning. Ball lightning

appears out of nowhere and then disappears as a flash. Right? So it comes from another dimension and lightning that ball of energy that's also a kind of living being and our whole universe is made of dark energy and light energy. The universe exists through the interaction even the sort of

struggle between light and dark energy. And our universe exists inside dark energy. What is it that holds the planets, the constellations, the galaxies together? We're sitting in this black black mass where it's zero, where it's nothing, where this dark energy is, but it's alive,

too. It kind of breathes. And that whole idea of yin and yang, man and woman, angel and devil,

too. It kind of breathes. And that whole idea of yin and yang, man and woman, angel and devil, right? The almighty, all of that, the black and the white, the constant opposition. Just like in

right? The almighty, all of that, the black and the white, the constant opposition. Just like in chess, black and white squares, black and white pieces, all of it. And we need to see our life as a whole made of light and dark. And like they say in Buddhism and like scientists say too, thought

is material. When you think about something, it can manifest. But it's the energy itself that

is material. When you think about something, it can manifest. But it's the energy itself that manifests. And that's why we need to do more positive things, good things. And our thoughts

manifests. And that's why we need to do more positive things, good things. And our thoughts should be good and positive. The more our thoughts are directed towards something positive, something

kind, something bright. And what is the light? It's light itself. God is light. God is love.

So if we start loving each other more as humanity loving our planet more then people will begin to generate more light energy meaning positive light energy and we'll start to shine. So if 8 billion people all at once started thinking about kindness about love about compassion for one another. The

earth would sort of glow from within a bit. this white energy would appear. And for God, for the Almighty, he has so many, many, many planets like ours, billions of them. He doesn't really have time to look down at Earth. If suddenly our Earth through positive thoughts, good thoughts,

bright thoughts, gives off even a tiny spark of light for a second, God would glance at it, and that would mean we received God's blessing. When we come to church, we ask for God's blessing.

We ask for God to look at us. And when all of humanity thinks about something good at the same time, then God will look at our earth and we'll live well. Who do you think in the world knows more about this subject than anyone? Is there one person where if you could interview them or ask them questions, you you think they might know more about extraterrestrials than anyone

else? Is there a scientist or world leader? every person, you as well, the cameraman, anyone at all,

else? Is there a scientist or world leader? every person, you as well, the cameraman, anyone at all, all people are experts, all 8 billion. And after I said that I had met them, a lot of people started reaching out to me. People wrote letters, you know, called me, emailed me from Japan,

from America, from Africa, from everywhere. Many thanked me, said thank you. Thank you for saying it. Now we will also say that we met them. So in every person's life there are moments when

it. Now we will also say that we met them. So in every person's life there are moments when they saw something unusual. Maybe a craft flew by or someone slipped in. Someone came into the room walking around and you don't understand who it is. Is it a little ghost or who is it? Right?

Some kind of invisible being. So every day we run into some sort of miracle. People don't talk about it because they're afraid of condemnation, of criticism and all that. But in reality, everyone, all kinds of experts and ordinary people, starting from a simple sailor, a farmer,

a worker, a scientist, an astronaut, a pilot, a submariner, everyone has had cases of contact.

That's why I'm saying we need some kind of unified program. A program under the United Nations, one that would gather all this information, summarize it, work together with artificial intelligence, and then develop well probably a common approach. We need to come to the idea that we should have a

common constitution. You know, the the head of the Israeli Space Force, he's won a lot of national

common constitution. You know, the the head of the Israeli Space Force, he's won a lot of national security awards in Israel. His name is Heim Esed. He said that there's a galactic federation and there's a space program involving people on Mars. He said all these amazing things in his biography.

Are you aware of that? And do you think that those claims are valid? Well, because of my work, I visited many places and talked to many people. There are different programs. There are research projects and so on. There is certain knowledge that some countries have. Some churches have,

some institutes have, but maybe the time has not yet come when everyone needs to unite. I also ask them why they take some people like they took me and tomorrow they might take you and so on.

So they want to create a critical mass. The more people who will somehow see them, contact them, talk about this, the faster human consciousness will come to the idea that we are not alone, that we need to unite. We need to work together to create in this direction. We need to look for

ways to preserve our planet. Do you think there are any human programs where we send astronauts into deep space like other solar systems or human programs where anything you know paranormal occurs where like we time travel? You know, do you think there are human space programs that go above and

beyond what NASA, SpaceX, you know, rockets do? Well, these programs are known. And as for any secret programs, at least I have not heard of them. I do not know about those programs. So, but maybe others, the civilizations that are here on our Earth, maybe they are working on

this. But the most important thing is not to send a spacecraft farther and farther.

this. But the most important thing is not to send a spacecraft farther and farther.

The most important thing is to start studying our own brain, our own mind as soon as possible. Yeah,

that was beautiful. So uh you knew Saddam Hussein at the very end of his life and you tried to advise him in a way that you thought might protect him and uh prevent uh the invasion of Iraq which was you know the the whole world at the time thought that Saddam Hussein had weapons

of mass destruction and Washington thought that as well. So what exactly did you tell Saddam Hussein?

Saddam Hussein. I met him very often starting from 93. I had a mandate then from the president of Russia Boris Yelten. I came there talked with him many times. We even managed to hold a chess championship there among the Arab countries. And in that last year when the situation really

heated up for some reason Saddam Hussein believed they would not attack. But when it became clear, when it was already certain there would be bombings and that Saddam Hussein would be killed, I flew to him. I told him the information from all the services that the attack was coming

now and that he could leave the country. If you want, then leave the country. But the best thing I said is to show it to the journalists. At that time there were many journalists staying at the al-Rashid hotel and in front of the entrance on the floor. There was a mosaic of Bush senior and

it said Bush is killer. There was one architect there and during the bombings his whole family was killed and he made this so that people would step on it. And I suggested to Saddam Hussein let's make an unusual move. Let's go to the al-Rashid. The journalists are there. We put all of them on

a bus and on that bus we go to the warehouse. They kept saying that this warehouse was never opened for the UN staff or for the chemical weapons commission. He kept telling me there is nothing there. I said, "All right, do it then. They will attack anyway. They will bomb everything. They

there. I said, "All right, do it then. They will attack anyway. They will bomb everything. They

will kill you anyway. At least give a chance to your people, to your country. Let's go there.

Open all the warehouses. Let the journalists film everything with their cameras everywhere so they see there is no chemical weapon there. What did he say? He was stunned, shocked by such a move. I

said, "Well, I am a chess player. I look multiple steps ahead. Let's go through this. There's

nothing bad here. Not in terms of security. You're on a bus. On the other hand, you'll show the world your openness. You're telling me this now. You're telling your son, your ministers, but tell this

your openness. You're telling me this now. You're telling your son, your ministers, but tell this to journalists. They're all over the world now. The discussion will begin. Address the United

to journalists. They're all over the world now. The discussion will begin. Address the United Nations. They have a security council. Members of the security council, I openly invite you all here

Nations. They have a security council. Members of the security council, I openly invite you all here to Baghdad. Look, I've opened all the warehouses. Will they still bomb? He said nothing in shock.

to Baghdad. Look, I've opened all the warehouses. Will they still bomb? He said nothing in shock.

Then he took time to think. He didn't answer right away. He said, "This is very unexpected." Then we left and about two hours later, Kusay, the head of security and the younger son with an interpreter

arrived. He said, "My father refuses. He won't do it." And then uh just a few days later, they

arrived. He said, "My father refuses. He won't do it." And then uh just a few days later, they called me and told me that the bombings were about to begin. So I flew out of there. And just a few hours later, Iraq was bombed. Saddam Hussein was hanged and you had a similar experience. You were

also longtime friends with Gaddafi and you were also with him towards the end of his life. Do you

want to tell that story? He was a very interesting person. He wrote poetry. He got into Buddhism, reincarnation of the soul and all that. And in the last days too when they were saying that Gaddafi was killed, that he was not alive, that he ended up in a psychiatric hospital. There were all kinds

of rumors because for about a month he did not appear on camera. He was nowhere to be seen. And

then I arrived. It was the 12th of June, Russia day. His eldest son, Muhammad, called. He told me, "Kersonen, please go outside. There's a car waiting for you. Get in that car and don't say a single word. We arrived at the stadium which was the Olympic Committee building. We went inside,

single word. We arrived at the stadium which was the Olympic Committee building. We went inside, Muhammad met me and we started going up the stairs and there standing right there was Gaddafi. We sat

down with him and talked for a long time and the chess set stood in the corner of the office where we were talking. I went in, took a chess set, set it up and said, "Shall we play?" He said, "How can we play chess now?" I said, "There is the cameraman. He will come in now. Let him film it

and they will show it on Libyan television. In a minute, all the TV channels in the world will show it. First, that you are live and second that you are playing chess. It means your head is working."

it. First, that you are live and second that you are playing chess. It means your head is working."

He looked at me in an interesting way. Let's play. We started playing. We ended in a draw and literally a few minutes later, all the TV channels in the world would have shown it. Everyone started

calling me kersonen kersonen how is Gaddafi feeling how is everything and he became very serious then said they will kill me I can feel it I said well come on let's fly out let's go there

are planes you can leave the country so there will not be a big war here no my adopted daughter is buried here my 10-month-old granddaughter was killed by the bombs, by the air bombs from their planes. And in this very soil, my ancestors are buried. I know that they will kill me and it will

planes. And in this very soil, my ancestors are buried. I know that they will kill me and it will be a very difficult death. But I will remain here on my own land with my people. And he says, "You, you must go." He escorted me away. Well, but I will remain. And so he remained. And a tragedy

happened. They tore him apart and tore apart the country. The Libyan Jamaha was one country and now

happened. They tore him apart and tore apart the country. The Libyan Jamaha was one country and now it is war divided with internal conflicts going on. Very sad. Such is the way of fate. Speaking

of global conflict, now we have Russia, Ukraine. Many in the West are wondering if there's ever going to be an end to this war. I'm sure many in Russia feel the same way. Uh do you think there's any hope uh for an end to the war? It seems to be this just long war of attrition. Um and

uh what do you think the right strategy is? Like you know you are a longtime ally of and and friend of Putin's. Is there anything he can do? Is there anything Zalinski can do to to stop this?

of Putin's. Is there anything he can do? Is there anything Zalinski can do to to stop this?

It may seem strange, but Putin, the president of the Russian Federation, is doing everything everything to stop the war. So that those conditions not conditions but those principles those principles of agreement between Russia and Ukraine which our president put forward and which

the Russian foreign ministry through Sergey Lavrov informs all foreign ministers and so on. It's all

on the table. Our principles they were clear from the very beginning. They were strict. If these

principles had been followed and if the western countries had followed them too, including the United States of America, there would be no war in Ukraine. It just exists now. We do not call it a war. We call it a special military operation. And it is in everyone's interest, in everyone's

a war. We call it a special military operation. And it is in everyone's interest, in everyone's interest that this war does not exist and in the interest of the presidents as well. and Vladimir

Putin at the meeting when they met far away in Alaska with the president of the United States, Donald Trump, he confirmed our conditions again. They are on the table. They are all visible.

The truth should prevail. Yes, we guarantee security, he said. And now as a politician, why would I repeat it? They are already on the table. They are clear to everyone. We simply

need to sit down and agree on what has already been defined there. And regarding the first negotiations that took place in Istanbul, that is between Russia and the president, we strictly adhere to those principles and the proposals that we put forward which we offered several years ago.

It's elementary. There is nothing else new to be found here. So what what do you think um is the is the only path forward for Ukraine to give up to seed territory in the Donbas and Donetsk and Luhansk? Is that the only path forward? Is there is there any other sort of way out of the the

Luhansk? Is that the only path forward? Is there is there any other sort of way out of the the conflict? Right now there's absolutely no point in specifically discussing Donbass or any other

conflict? Right now there's absolutely no point in specifically discussing Donbass or any other constituent entity of the Russian Federation. There are proposals. They are all on the table and they simply must sit down. People often wonder what exactly is politics or what is diplomacy.

They are fundamentally a constant struggle of compromises. This means that every single side must make some kind of movement. The history of humanity always tells us this. Every armed

conflict stretching back to the most ancient times, even when our ancestors were hunting mammoths, invariably concludes with peace. and I truly hope that peace will ultimately prevail on this earth. Do you think Putin wants peace and do you think Zalinski wants peace? Absolutely 100%. I

this earth. Do you think Putin wants peace and do you think Zalinski wants peace? Absolutely 100%. I

am 100% certain Putin is striving for peace. But Vladimir Zalinski also needs to listen to both the president of Russia and the president of the United States of America and make the right move.

But the most important thing is he was once elected by the people but now he is considered well the elections were not held and our side considers him illegitimate now believing that elections should take place there. However, it is widely believed that no elections can be held during a time of war. Well, many questions are already emerging from this situation.

I'm not directly involved in this particular process, but the parties always possess the right and the opportunity to reach an agreement. What do you think in in our lifetime? Do you think something much bigger happens with the UFO and extraterrestrial topic? Do you think we could see a paradigm shift on this subject? Everything is changing. The paradigm is shifting now. Ideologies

and principles. If there were once Adam and Eve, if there's a man and a woman, then why do some countries claim there are no men, no women, but only it? Maybe they're correct. It's like

with God. Some believe in God. But on the other hand, out of 8 billion, 1 billion are atheists.

That also exists. We somehow have to come to terms with that. We somehow have to coexist on this earth, on this planet. The paradigm of relationships is changing now. And why is that?

Because if you look further into the universe, there's dark energy and light energy. And which

one will win? There is currently a battle between the light cosmic energy and the dark energy. A

battle for our earth, for our minds. Do you ever still communicate with the extraterrestrials, maybe with your mind? Do you ever try to tap in and speak to them even now after your experience?

No, we haven't communicated. There haven't been any more such contacts. They don't reach out to me. I don't reach out either. I'm just living my own life. I meet with you. I play

chess. Everything keeps going, keeps moving. And somewhere something is predetermined. As

Baba Vanga said, it is written up there. And we must go through suffering too. Now we have an era, an era in Buddhism called the Buddha of suffering. And now the Buddha of compassion is going into the future. And another Buddha comes in his place, the Buddha of love. So we are probably

standing right on the threshold of meeting this Buddha of love, a new deity, new relationships.

That's a beautiful message to the world. And I think uh we should maybe think about interviewing other world leaders about uh the extraterrestrial presence. like I would love to go with you to the Daly Lama and speak to him about what he thinks about UFOs and extraterrestrials. And I think

if we do that, we can uh maybe we can cause an awakening. Thank you. Thank you very much.

It's an honor. Thank you. Let us pray. We will. We will. Well, it's been an honor and I really uh I hope that other world leaders and other people at your level have the same courage as you because it wasn't easy to come out and be public about what you experienced. But

I think it's very profound and very important and I think uh more people should listen and and take note and and and and follow suit. Thank you very much. I think that if after this interview there are more people who understand it and respond with understanding, then we've done our job.

But if they start criticizing it, saying that the respected journalist found some crazy guy, some fool talking about little yellow or green people, then it means we still have a lot of work to do.

No, I think uh more and more people in the US at very high levels are taking this subject extremely seriously and we have a lot of people coming from the government, you know, who who come out of these programs who say I worked on a craft or I retrieved a craft or I saw a bunch of files or

photos and you know secure facilities. A ton of people from all sorts of backgrounds that don't even coordinate with each other. So in the US, we even have bill we have we have a bill that the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer just uh presented to the floor. It has it mentions UAP and

NHI non-human intelligence 65 times. So uh I think it's being taken seriously at the highest levels in in the US government. Um, but the sad thing is you don't have Trump, you don't have the president coming out officially and saying it, even though everybody knows, everybody knows in Washington and everybody knows even in the public. So, it really takes a lot of courage and it's amazing to see you

who you're a you're an actual, you know, former president uh to come out and say, you know, this is what I experienced. I think it really means a lot and hopefully we'll continue to push other

leaders and other people at your level to to also come forward about their experiences. Thank you.

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