in defense of Butch Hartman… | Doodle Heads

Matt, do you remember Butch Hartman? You

know, the guy who made Fairly Odd

Parents and Danny Phantom.

>> Oh my god, yes. He's my childhood, I

swear. Has he made anything new

recently?

>> Well, so that's actually um sort of one

of the things that I wanted to talk

about today cuz he's under a lot of

controversy. Like big big controversy,

>> but like different from before. I know

you went under controversy a while ago.

Wait, is there more stuff now? Oh my

gosh, there is a ton ranging from like

art commission fraud to not paying

people for the new show he tries to

launch. And now the worst crime of all

any artist can commit using AI.

>> Oh no, not the AI. Except for you. You

do love the AI uh for sexual reasons.

>> Okay. But I don't use it for my art. I

don't use it for my art.

>> You're one step away.

>> No. No. I would never use it for my art.

I use it for personal reasons and I

think we need to talk about this because

I am going to attempt to defend Butch

Hartman.

>> What?

I am going to attempt it. Court is in

session [ __ ]

>> Oh. Oh. Oh [ __ ] She came prepared. Are

you actually going to defend this man?

Like from my understanding, how do you

redeem yourself? cuz I know about like

some of the scams he did a while ago

with like this streaming service he

wanted to do. Like this man literally

committed a crime. I'm pretty sure

>> I I'm going to get into all of it. I am

going to get into every single detail of

it. But I have been told that I am very

critical of people on this podcast. So I

am taking that into consideration and I

am now not just Robin. I am Robin idiot

law.

>> Oh my god. Are you like the ripoff Saul

Goodman now? Is that what your new arc

is?

>> You know what I someone needs to defend

the people in the world. And that is

where I am going to come in. I am coming

in acting as Butch Hartman's defense

attorney.

>> Oh god. Can I be the court of public

opinion and be like, "Fuck you."

>> Sure. Sure. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Well, this

is a fair and just trial.

>> Okay. Okay. My bad. Freick him. There

you go. Is that better? Is that more

kosher for you?

>> Oh my gosh. Not that's not what I meant,

but okay. I am going to get started with

the opening arguments.

Right now, my man Butch Hartman is being

charged for a lot. He's being charged

for scamming on Kickstarter. Um, several

counts of [ __ ] on the mentally ill,

if not the physically ill. Um, one major

count of just straight up not paying

people. One count of deviant art level

petty theft. And four repeated accounts

of AI usage.

>> Ooh, this is this is a hell of a list of

charges. Like I think I think there's at

least one of these he can't go back

from. The rest of these I at least think

community service. You You know what?

You know what though? I as the amazing

lawyer I am

plan to eradicate that all

>> How how how do you plan to defend any of

these? Okay. I'm like one of these

literally people lost money. There was

no defending that. Are you going to let

her let him go like Jake Paul like

nobody cared? Come on. You got to hold

this guy accountable.

>> This this is the court of public

opinion, my friend. There is several

ways to get around it, but first I think

it is important to discuss the context

of the person that we have on trial

today.

>> All right, I'll give you something.

>> First of all, let's talk about the

shows. He's he's made iconic shows.

Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom

being some of the most like iconic ones.

Everyone loves at least one of the two.

He also made Tough Puppy, which honestly

I am going to defend till the day I die.

I like Tough Puppy. That is an important

part of my childhood. Um, and then

Bunson is a Beast is where he sort of

debatably started falling off. And this

was also like in 2018 when he decided to

leave Nick.

>> I am totally agreeing with that cuz I

for one also really like Tough Puppy.

It's like Fairly Odd Parents and Danny

Phantom like they are two completely

different shows but I think Tough Puppy

is like the weird middle child of how

like the tone of the show is. You know

what I mean? It like feels It has the

humor of like, you know, Fairly Odd

Parents, but then it has some of like

some slight little I guess you could say

like more adult-ish humor from Danny

Phantom or just older humor. So, like I

[ __ ] with Tough Puppy.

>> I can [ __ ] with Tough Puppy.

>> I just One of my core memories was they

had a Papuccino on the show and I would

always watch the show when I was at my

grandma's house and I'd be like,

"Grandma, grandma, grandma, I want a

papuccino. I want a papuccino." And

being an Italian grandmother, she's

always making cappuccinos like, "I want

a papuccino. I want like the foam. Give

me the foam. I want all the foam that he

eats. And my grandmother would take the

cappuccino machine and like make it like

just entirely milk. Just entirely milk.

So I can enjoy the cappuccino foam

without having any of the caffeine. And

that was just like a core family memory

for me.

>> You You could just drank foamed milk.

You just drank foamed milk. There's

nothing beyond that.

>> No. Shut the [ __ ] up. No, it was a

papuccino. And it is one of the many

instances where Butch Hartman touched

our childhoods.

>> Touched you?

>> And

>> should I be concerned? Should I add

sexual assault to the list?

>> Should we add another charge?

>> No. No.

>> No. He touched me spiritually.

And I think this is something that we

need to take into account with Butch

Hartman. He is a core part of so many of

our childhoods, making iconic shows,

lifting the industry on his shoulders in

so many ways. And when he left Nick, his

goal was to continue doing that through

Oaxis Entertainment.

>> Oh god. I Yeah. So this was the scam,

right? This was like the the whole

streaming service this man went on like

a quote unquote like spree on. like this

entire thing is like my entire that's

just what I understand. Okay. And to be

fair,

>> whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

whoa. To say Alexis is a scam is a

pretty big stretch. Especially because

it wasn't like he didn't deliver on a

product. He did

>> 20 What? Wait. Go back. Wait.

>> $268,000

to bring this website to life. And this

is the website.

>> He delivered a product. Here's the

thing.

>> I But this this that guy didn't seem

very happy. And I think if you go back

real quick,

>> but he delivered a product.

>> He delivered a product.

>> Sonic the hedgehog on there.

>> What is Among Us?

>> Yeah. Don't mind the fact that half of

these videos are stolen from other

people. Don't mind all the Among Us

videos.

>> You just said he stole.

>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just No. I I

steal it. Did I say steal? Did I say

steal?

>> Yes.

>> I I didn't say steal actually.

>> Roll it back. Roll it back. Everybody

roll back. 10 seconds. You can hear you

said steal.

>> Half of these videos are stolen from

other people.

>> I think you are misremembering.

He sponsors

content on his channel and he has a wide

variety of content. So, he did deliver

on the Kickstarter that everyone donated

to. But honestly, one of the biggest

controversies about the Kickstarter was

the claim that it was

>> the Christian

>> an attempt to hide in faith-based

content that everyone donated, not

realizing it was going to be super duper

Christian.

>> So, so what I'm hearing So, what I'm

hearing right now is he says, "I'm going

to deliver one thing, but deliver

something else." Isn't that what they

call a bait and switch, aka illegal?

>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, it is

not a bait and switch because as we saw

there was other non-religious content

unless you want to [ __ ] claim Sonic

the Hedgehog is Jesus which okay

Christian

>> listen Sonichu is a different beast okay

we don't talk about Sonichu

>> either way I think at the end of the day

and this is me talking as someone who is

not fond of the church in my current

life faith-based content is still valid

content and I would like to present an

exhibit, Veggie Tales. Are you going to

tell me Veggie Tales isn't good content

because it's faith-based content?

>> I have never watched Veggie Tales. All I

know is the clips. And here's the thing

with Veggie Tales.

>> I'm not Catholic.

>> Well, yes. I didn't grow up in a I

didn't grow up in a Christian household,

thankfully. You know, that's not my

lifestyle.

>> You did not go to CCD and it tells

>> good. You know what? I I don't because

then that means I can look at this as

unbiased as possible because when I'm

seeing this I feel like people just like

Veggie Tales because of how just cursed

it looks. It's just so cursed. It's just

a cursed 3D animated show.

>> Okay. No one [ __ ] you because it's not

based off of how

>> the court of civil opinion over here.

Okay. The doodle head is asking for

order to speak.

>> Fine.

>> This is my turn to speak. Number one,

you never watched Veggie Tales, so you

cannot say why people like Veggie Tales.

I am someone who will still turn on

Veggie Tales. I grew up with Veggie

Tales. While my grandmother was making

me my papuccinos, she was also putting

on Veggie Tales in between. And this

middle one here, this middle one here,

Esther, that one was my [ __ ] I [ __ ]

loved that one. that one. So, so, so

good. King George, another good one. The

Larry Boys were always a classic. What

made Veggie Tales so important in the

minds of children is because, yes, while

it was faith-based and it was going

through the Bible, a lot of these were

just genuinely good stories and

genuinely good lessons to teach. And it

was one of the few forms of content that

was like religious, but it didn't like

shove it down your throat. Like it

didn't molest you with God. And

especially nowadays, it's a lot more

secular. Like they'll do a Charlie and

the Chocolate Factory. They have the

pirates, but they still teach you good

lessons nonetheless. And what made it

iconic was like Bob and Larry and just

like these very sweet, kind characters.

Larry was just like the boisterous funny

one. Bob was like the dil. Like it's so

great. It's so great. Great content.

>> So uh you know ma madam how does this

relate back to Butch Hartman?

>> Because this is religious content and

people are complaining that Butch

Hartman was making religious content.

The garden being one of them. And I am

sitting here defending religious content

to be present because one it is not

entirely

religious content and two religious

content can be entertaining like with

Veggie Tales. Now don't look at the

reviews. Don't don't look at what people

are saying.

>> Well I mean at the end of the day

faith-based content can be interesting.

So to be to be I'll I'll be devil's

advocate in your argument here. Listen,

if you are producing a show and it

sucks. The promise wasn't to make a good

show. It was to just make a show. You

know, if it's bad, it's just bad. But

the issue here is because if you are

putting a thing on Kickstarter saying,

"Hey, I'm making this streaming

platform," but then not disclosing that

it's specifically for religious or

faith-based content, you have to

disclose that because what if somebody

is atheist? they don't believe in this

and they're like, I don't want to invest

my money into this or they don't agree

with certain things. That means you're

putting somebody in a spot where they

invested in something feeling lied to

and then they feel like they were

scammed because that is what happened.

>> I think that then you put Netflix and

other platforms that host Veggie Tales

in the same position or like what what

about like that chosen one show that

like everyone was like enjoying. I think

at the end of the day, all content

belongs everywhere. And I think maybe if

he mixes it up with like some content,

some Buddha kind, like mix it up a

little. First of all, Butch Hartman

straightened it out with a nice

handwritten apology

clarifying

that it's not all faith-based content.

And let me let me read the letter. Let

me read the letter.

>> It's a faith-based person. Okay, read

the letter. Let me let let me read a

letter. Okay, this is to all the fans

out there. Hey, Heart fans. I am humbled

by the kindness and love that Heart fans

and friends have shown in recent days.

There are simply no words to express my

thanks and gratitude. I'm sorry for any

confusion that you may have felt in the

last week. Thank you for your patience.

All I've ever wanted to do is entertain

people with programming the entire

family can enjoy. And in keeping with

that theme, that's what most recent

project is about. There has been others

who think they Why is this handwriting

so weird? It's like all capitalized.

>> I think it's actually cool. I think it's

iconic.

>> I think so, too. Anyways, uh they think

they revealed another agenda. And

honestly, I value and respect my fans

and friends far too much to even

consider misleading you. I would never

take the privilege of your trust

lightly. Oaxis Entertainment is not

faith-based. However, faith is a part of

me. I am the same guy I've been for the

last 20 years. I'm not perfect and

certainly don't claim to be. I'm excited

for what I said to come. Basically,

Butch says, "Thank you and sorry for the

confusion." So, seems pretty seems

pretty genuine. Okay. All right. Fine.

I'll give it that. You one point to

Butch.

>> He did attempt to make a non-faith-based

show. Imagine Nathan. I I think this one

is actually a really interesting concept

where it's like supposed to be this boy

like going after these imaginary things

like scientist style and and he has a

pilot. He's showing it off. I think at

the end of the day it would be a great

show

>> if he paid his animators.

>> Whoa, whoa. So, you're saying that he

didn't pay people?

>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This

is one of the other charges that he has.

Curo the artist claims um that he was

working on the pilot. He was like one of

the animators developing the pirate. And

for his part, he was owed $1,400.

And from a lot of like market research.

It It's even like a low ball for like

what animators would typically pay be

paid for something like this.

>> Did he animate the whole show or just

the pilot?

>> Not the whole show. Not the whole show.

the uh pilot, the pilot, and then above

all like he does the work and it doesn't

even end up on the pilot. And this is a

bit of an older drama. This is like back

like five years ago or so. And I was

trying to do research on this one and

look at the claims, but Curo the artist

had to take down his video for legal

reasons. So my argument for this one is

this has exited the court of public

opinion to the court of legal opinion.

So frankly not my problem.

You're so excuse me miss idiot at law.

You're just going to dismiss this even

though literally he did not get paid.

I'm sure there's evidence. Is there no

evidence to support that he never got

paid? No receipts.

>> This this is above my pay grade.

>> Above my pay grade.

>> Well, you know what? As the court of

public opinion, I will butt in because I

will say right now that there was so

many receipts of this guy asking for

money from what I remember and literally

people were covering this how bad it was

because bro, it's $1,400. It's already

below pay rate. You have the money,

okay? You have $1,400. You can pay that.

Just send the guy the [ __ ] money. If

you worked on this a whole ass pilot,

like what I'm assuming like a 20, 15, 20

minute like pilot, that's a lot of work

for one guy and the least you can do.

Uh, I think the trailer was like 5

minutes. And putting Robin idiot at Law

aside, this one had to be the hardest

one for me to research. I was genuinely

having a difficult time finding receipts

because I think a lot of it was taken

down because they're proceeding in

actual like court court proceedings.

So, um, I going back to Robin idiot at

law. It's above my pay grade. It's above

my pay grade.

>> Well, there's still one. Okay, you know

what? Isn't above your pay grade?

Because fine, you you have this whole

defense against the Wax's Entertainment.

Fine. If you want to defend his

streaming service for existing, fine.

But the problem is I don't think he

[ __ ] even released it. He never even

launched it.

>> No, he has not officially launched it.

But from what I am seeing, it's because

of the legal proceedings. How can you

launch something when there's

difficulties with the legal proceeding?

>> Wait, did someone try to sue him?

>> Well, I think that's what's happening in

the background. I think Kuro is trying

to sue Butch Hartman to get the

>> You think so? Or you know so miss idiot

at law?

>> I don't know because everyone takes down

the content.

>> Uh well, I guess that means this one is

just not your problem. I'm still upset

about that.

>> Not my problem. I'm I'm glad you're

catching on.

>> No, no, I'm not catching on. I I I will

I'm only handwaving it because I need to

see how you defend the other points and

also what else has happened recently

because I do not know there was more to

the story because I thought it ended

here. I thought it ended here like in

2018 like or 2020 like with this

freaking stupid service.

>> This is a lot of the contentbased stuff.

This is the stuff focused on Oaxis. Now

it sort of gets into the stuff that is

not focused on Oaxis. And there may or

may not be a video of my client online

associating himself with people who say

that like cancer, autism, and

fibromyalgia

could be cured by prayer. That video may

or may not exist.

>> Robin,

>> it may or may not exist.

>> Robin, Robin, this is harmful. What kind

of lawyer are you? This is I do not

really like a good point right here

because I don't know if I want to hire

you.

>> You know what? You know what? You know

what? I I Okay, I I understand this

sounds bad. I think I need to take a

quick recess to um talk to my client

about this one cuz um Yeah. Yeah. Just

give me give me one moment. Okay. Okay,

Butch. Um so, we're going to need to

discuss this real quick. Um because

you can't cure those things with prayer.

You can't cure a lot of things with

prayer. I think prayer can help you get

through the the curing process. Um, but

but and especially in terms of autism,

I'm I'm just going to say this right

now. You don't you don't cure that.

That's not like a cure thing. That is

like a you give people like

accessibility things to support them

through life.

>> Okay. But like if I pray but if I can

pray the gay away, I can pray the tism

away. Is that not a thing?

>> No, no, no, no, no. You can't you can't

pray the gay away either. Butch, but you

you can't pray the gay way. Can you not

hit me with like a freedom freedom of

speech, you know, kind of defense, you

know, that's pay you for?

>> Okay. Um Um Yeah. Yeah. But there's you

have the freedom of speech but um

there's also consequences to your

actions and um I I think it would just

be best if you stopped saying all that

and stopped commenting on mental illness

altogether. So,

>> okay. What if what if instead I just

said the N word?

>> I know. No, no. Okay. Next point. I'm

I'm done with

>> you. You're done talking to your client.

The court will resume.

>> I right now it's not looking too good.

Sometimes some sometimes you need to

have a recess with your client and um I

I think it was important to sort of

discuss with him and and you know what I

think maybe within this court of a

public opinion deal we can do a little

re-education. I I don't think he needs

to be condemned but I think there needs

to be a little re-education. a little

re-education about um the medical

industry.

>> Um and and and I think at the end of the

day, like um there may or may not also

be clips of him saying bad things on his

own podcast called Speech Bubble. And

and as a podcaster, I know like some of

the things you could end up saying. And

it it's all in good fun. It's all in

good fun. Um

>> I have a few clips to show you. I I few

clips I I got to show you. Um, I'm going

to also give everyone an ear warning on

this next one. It was the best audio I

could find. Um, I'm sorry.

>> If you if you want to have your own

show, be ready to communicate your

vision to people that may not speak your

language. I mean, I'm not even even

people in America that speak English,

>> not even your specific artistic

language. Like, you got to figure out

how to speak to people.

>> You have to be able to show people if

you if you guys want to do your own

cartoon. I don't care if it's an

animated show. I don't care if it's a

movie you're ding. I don't care if it's

a script you're writing. I don't care if

it is a song you're playing, whatever.

You need to be able to be the person and

don't be people that are introverts.

>> I want to encourage you all.

>> Um, don't be an introvert because being

an introvert is, and all people I'm I'm

probably going to get a lot of flack

over saying this. If you're an

introvert, it's a very selfish thing to

be. And here's why.

>> Because it's all about you. You're

self-centered. You don't want to get out

of yourself and go like, "Well, maybe I

could communicate with these people.

Well, I'm just an introvert. I'm the sit

over here. You have to figure out what

I'm thinking cuz you're putting you're

making everybody else uncomfortable when

you're an introvert like that cuz no one

knows what you're thinking. No one knows

how

>> Bro no no no

>> that clip looks bad but I would like to

plead ignorance for my client. Um I'd

like to plead ignorance. I don't think

it's what he meant. And as an introvert

in entertainment, I think he popped off

a little in the beginning. I think he

should have not said the other half of

it. I think after he said the word

introverts was where he should have like

stopped and said actually wait no. But

as an introvert in the entertainment

industry, sometimes you have to work

against that aversion to speak to

people. You got to network. You got to

get out there. Um selfish is a strong

word, but I think he misspoke. I think

we misspoke. It happens.

>> Or maybe what I'm hearing is he has a

[ __ ] ego. like a really bad ego to

assume that people who are introverted

are just selfish. What do you mean?

>> But is having an ego a crime?

>> No, but it hurts people. Especially when

you have such a big ego that it starts

crushing other people because that's

what he's been doing. I feel like ever

since he's just left the show network

era of TV, he's just become worse being

an independent creative. Isn't that why

he even started copying people's art or

some [ __ ] too? That was another one of

your points. The charges.

>> Well, well, well, well, well. Well, um I

if you think this is bad, I I don't

think I don't think we should show the

other clip.

>> What do you mean? There's more.

>> I don't

>> What else did this man say?

>> No, no, no, no, no.

You have it in your presentation. You

got to show the clip to the to the the

court of public opinion.

>> Okay, I'm sorry.

>> But Terra was not the original Timmy

Turner. The original actress was Mary

Kay Bergman, who sadly passed away, but

she was

>> she was such a sweet, sweet lady.

>> Sweet lady. She also did a bunch of

voices on South Park when that first

started. She was the mom on South Park.

>> No, she had a very prolific career. She

was awesome.

>> Doing great. And then she ended up

passing away. And uh I think Terra

actually had something to do with that.

And so that's probably what that was

probably your fault.

>> It was probably your fault. Probably

your fault.

>> What the [ __ ]

>> Or um

>> for context, that woman's death was um

>> the reason Terra got the job.

>> Self-inflicted.

>> Oh, that I did not know. that he

>> Oh, that part of did not know who

>> that that the woman's death was a little

self-inflicted and a lot of people

thought that joke was um not tasteful.

And as someone who has a character where

he is a [ __ ] doctor, let me emphasize

a [ __ ] doctor on the show. That that

was a a bit of a distasteful show.

Beyond distasteful, it's a little weird

if you think about it. This is the same

thing with The Weekend as we talked

about with self-insert characters. You

know, if you all would watch the show,

you would know that the Doctor is meant

to be like just some sexy hunk. You know

what I mean? Like he's meant to be like

the one that all the women love. Is that

wrong? If I'm remembering correctly, he

was the ladies man. Okay. Why Why was

the character he was based off of the

ladies man? Maybe this guy has a [ __ ]

ego cuz he thinks everyone is swooning

over this guy. No one likes you, Butch.

No one likes you. Especially Tara. She's

probably never going to talk to you

again. Poor Terara's strong. One of my

favorite voice actors just disrespected

right there. She wanted to leave the

minute you said that. Like how would you

dare implicate somebody being involved

in someone else's self harm? Like that's

[ __ ] up. That's [ __ ] up. Public

opinion is enraged at this moment.

>> I Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. One,

funny, that's the part that you focus

on. Two, I think at the end of the day,

does my client have no RZ?

Okay, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he he

struggles a little in that area. Maybe

he lets his ego get ahead of him a

little bit.

>> It's not even there is though.

>> He's just not funny. That is that a

crime to be not funny?

>> Well, this even though he makes terrible

jokes at the expense of other people,

>> he is the thing is he is funny. He is

funny. He has good jokes. Like I think

his jokes, his writing style, it works,

you know? It's like it's like a sitcom

style writing, you know? It's like build

up build up build up punch line. Build

up build up build up punch line. It's

like the same kind of humor in all his

shows, which is authentically Butch.

Fine, I don't care. It's It's like when

you watch Friends, you expect the same

[ __ ] It's like, okay, fine, whatever.

So, it's like to me, he is funny. I

think that came from a bad place. I

think that came from a bad place. That

was like an angry Christian being like,

why they dare take themselves away from

this world, you stupid? Like, I feel

like that's the mentality this man has

>> because he thinks he's better than

everyone else because he had all his

shows and he brags about it. But what is

he doing [ __ ] now? Nothing. Failing

as a creative and a business owner.

>> I would even I would even say failing

his own faith.

>> He's not doing nothing. He's doing

commission work. See, look at these

great commissions that he's doing that

are definitely not inspired by other

artists.

>> How is his worse than the actual artist

he base it off of? That That's the part

I can't understand.

Does this guy not want to do art

anymore?

>> He has a style. He has

>> He's lazy. He's been really even his

profile picture looks ugly.

>> Stylist. Well, okay. So, he made his

ugly and I didn't actually put this in

the presentation. I was trying to figure

out where I could put it in. He There's

a joke that a person on Tumblr, and this

is just a joke within the art community

in general, that the hotter your persona

is,

>> the uglier you actually are. And this is

something that I took when I was drawing

um my own persona. That's why I draw

myself so horrifically ugly because I'm

actually super attractive in real life.

>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I got to set the bar

low to keep expectations high.

>> There was Exactly. So there was someone

on Tumblr who was calling out Butch

Hartman and like why he draws himself so

insanely attractive all the time. Like

exhibit one um exhibit A. And then he

changed it to the the little thing up

here, the little like weird one up here.

And the guy like made a post on Tumblr

sort of laughing like, "I love how I

affected Butch Hartman enough to make

him change his profile picture."

>> That just kind of comes to show how

fragile his ego is. You know, if one

comment can tick you off, it's just

downhill from there. It's like the whole

Jordan Peterson effect. You know, it's

like if you're chronically online

looking at other people say things about

you, you just become a [ __ ] spiraling

idiot with how much you're trying to

defend your ego. And it's like this is

not instilling any confidence in people

because genuinely speaking, if you need

to yink someone else's art for your art

and when you're an artist, is it because

you are lazy or do you think you're

better than everyone else that you could

just take people's art like that? That

is where the issue comes from.

My argument and I would like to order

this make this argument in the court of

public opinion is I think he took

inspiration from it. A lot of people are

trying to say he's straight up tra

tracing and I do not think he's straight

up tracing. I think he has the image on

one side and then his on the other

because usually when you see tracing you

see like more of a lot of similar lines,

but he gets hired to like make

commissions. And these are other

instances of commissions he's done. And

as you can look like he takes

inspiration from them as well. And these

are like official art pictures compared

to like this one where this one just

happened to be one from like an actual

artist. And my opinion is is that at the

end of the day, he's going to need a

frame of reference. Especially if you're

asking Butch Hartman to draw anime like,

are you going to tell me this old

[ __ ] man knows what anime is? Are you

going to tell me that this father like

man? No. No. When I go to my father

showing off the Pokemon cards I

collected that day, he's like, "Oh, you

and your Pokemons." Like my dad doesn't

know anything about anime,

>> but the difference is he works in

animation. He's an animator. Of course,

he would know the anime style.

>> Bro, I think that there are plenty of

animators, plenty of art teachers who

know nothing about anime. Who

>> they don't need to know about it, but

they they will know of its existence.

Like if you're a teacher, you 100% will

know the anime existence style cuz like

your your students will be like, "Look

at me. I drew this anime profile

picture. Do you like it?" And then

they'll be like, "What is this? Oh, big

boy eyes and really big boobs. Wow. And

that's cute. Uh, what is his style?

>> Your teacher would never say that.

>> Well, I mean, I'm sure they would never

say it, but they'll think it and they'll

ask questions.

>> No, they'd immediately [ __ ] on the

child. They'd be like, "What the [ __ ]

you?"

>> Oh, you know, I will just immediately

drop kick a child if they gave me an

anime drawing style. I'll be like,

"You're done. No anime bad." That's how

I would

>> That's what happened to me. I got

dropkicked so hard that now I can't even

draw anime if I tried.

>> She's got completely bullied out of

being an anime artist. No.

>> Literally. Literally. Well, speaking of

one thing, I will say the one thing of

copying is like the problem is is that

like he's not even trying. Like that's

what I like the art looks like I like

how the art looks worse. I don't

understand how the art looks worse than

the reference. It's not even in his

style.

>> This is his style is way

>> I say that for the Invader Zim one. The

>> Zim the Invader Zim one is horrible.

It's like gross. was like his hair his

hair is not even spread out that much

and like he didn't even like the line is

too thin and it just look it just looks

off. It just looks so off. I think at

the end of the day it is unfair to say

that he is tracing I think it's unfair

to say that he's stealing art. I feel

like maybe in the first case it could be

debated, but I don't think it could be

debated in these other cases because the

old man is going to need a frame of

reference for what these characters look

like. And if getting references from

someone is a crime, then arrest me.

>> Okay, but here's the thing. Oh, yeah.

The police are coming. The police are

coming. Robin,

>> the police are coming. I I think I'm

going to have to hurry this up. I think

I'm going to have to hurry this up

before I get arrested. public opinion is

not happy. We are ready to arrest you

for anything, for legal malpractice.

>> No,

no, no, no, no, no. Let let me get to my

last and final point. The conversation

about AI cuz Butch Hartman has been

taking a lot of his artwork and turning

it into AI. Um, I would like to present

exhibit A.

>> What?

What in the [ __ ] am I looking at?

What?

What is this? What is this supposed to

be? What is the point? What is this

audio? Why I Okay, so don't even get me

started on the audio. The audio is so

weird. And that is the like most

consistent thing with all of his AI

videos. The AI the audio is like

atrocious.

>> But um it's like audio from everything

he touches just breaks apparently. Even

like the podcast clips you put pulled up

were like horrible audio unsynced. I

think he's just honestly he's just so

horrible that he's affecting the

technology around him to be horrible.

>> And a lot of people are sort of talking

about that one. The weird like arm

movements and stuff like that. The

second one is pinned to his Twitter page

and this one's particularly bad.

>> What the [ __ ] Ew. What? Why?

>> The audio didn't even catch on this one.

This one. Oh no. Here's

>> Oh, now it's breaking. Oh, see I'm

telling you, he just breaks everything

he touches. Oh god. Oh, look at the

bottom. The bottom is so gross. Oh my

god.

>> So this was this was in September.

>> Cosmo jumping out.

>> This is a couple months ago and and he

AI's gotten better and this is the what

he this is what he posts. This is what

he he posts this.

>> I he is showing off his great artwork

and as we've seen like he struggles to

pay animators a little bit. So I think

this was his attempt to avoid any

further controversy with that.

>> But um I I I would like to present one

last final one of AI.

>> Lay it on me. Oh, okay. There. There you

go. There. Wow.

Wow. What What am I looking at? I don't

understand. It just He's just standing

and then he breaks his body. Listen, I'm

more concerned that he posted this at

1:30 in the morning.

>> Like, what is bro doing at 1:30 in the

morning looking at AI Spider-Man? Bro is

like high off his mind. He's like, "Oh

my god, would it be so crazy if

Spider-Man like was flipping in the air?

I should ask Chachi Viji to make it." Oh

my god. It's just amazing.

>> I I will give him credit. At least he's

putting his own art in here. The videos

are so strange and so cursed, though. I

don't understand it. Like in the first

one you see Danny Phantom like breaking

his limbs. You see in the second one you

see Cosmo like like breaking out of the

fish tank and all the things like

merging. And then in the last one you

just see like Superman doing the

strangest flips. And I think I think

this is unfair because I think this is

such a minuscule amount of his content

compared to what like a majority of his

content is, which is this.

>> I just love drawing Spider-Man. What do

you think?

>> Oh, at least he's drawing. Or is he?

>> And this is like a legitimately cool

drawing. Like this reminds me of the old

art tutorials that I used to watch. I

don't know if anyone remembered in Nick

tunes, but he would like have art

tutorials on like how to draw a Cosmo

and stuff like that.

>> Yeah, those I like. That's when he was

cool. That's when he was cool. But I I

mean, this is I mean, listen, I'm not

denying that this is not this this is

good art. Like whatever that was years

ago that happened on that controversy.

It looks like he maybe took that

feedback to heart cuz this, you know,

this looks better. Like it looks

stylized. Like I don't see Is there any

reference on this?

>> Same era. There's the There's the same

era. Well, this one I don't know. Um.

Uh.

>> All right. Let's do a quick Google

search. Let's see. I'll Google it while

you're staying.

>> See if there's a Spider-Man image in

that exact position.

>> Exactly. You never know. It's like if I

just Google I don't know, Spider-Man.

Oh, he has a lot of Spider-Man art. He

has a lot of He does a lot of Spider-Man

art. This one's kind of funny.

>> Well, I think Spider-Man is a good

source of inspiration.

>> Spider-Man poses draw animation.

Animated. Let's see. Let's see if that

thing pops up.

This one's looking nice. It doesn't look

like any of them are exact.

>> I think they're okay. You know, maybe he

finally took reference to heart and is

combining two different ideas into one.

So maybe maybe maybe he's taken the

feedback. That's good. At least

improvement.

>> I think also at the end of the day like

inspiration is fine. You learn by

looking at other things. Is it a little

scummy that he's making $200 off of each

commission? $200 for that?

>> You charging 200 bucks for No. No. I No.

For those drawings? I'm sorry.

>> I think about it. I think about it like

this. He's like the Gucci of like the

art industry. He's the Birkin.

>> No, it's like it's like the Supreme. No,

it's like the Supreme. Okay. They think

they're [ __ ] cool, but everyone just

doesn't care anymore. And they think if

they put their name on a brick that

people will buy it, which sadly they do,

>> but you know what? Exactly.

>> But not enough buy it to people's buy it

>> because they have buyer remorse. Okay.

Buyer remorse probably hit real hard for

people who bought the art from Butch. I

would have been hella disappointed if

that's what I got.

>> I think at the end of the day, if you

buy it, you buy it. What is my client

supposed to do? Be a better artist. put

more effort into his work, you have

unrealistic expectations. And I don't

think that should be the case. But at

the end of the day, it's up to the final

ruling.

>> Oh boy. Okay. Well, let's lay everything

out flat. Let's lay out the arguments

before the police arrest you for all

this horrible rat ruckus you've been

causing. So, the first point was, did he

scam his fans? Uh, yes. I think he did.

He 100% did because he didn't even

deliver on the product. And I don't even

think they got Did people get their

money back?

>> Did people get their money back?

>> Did people get their money back?

>> No, he he delivered. He gave them a

product. Did they get the product they

want?

But at the end of the day, they got the

product. My thing is that if you pay

money for something and it's not what

you wanted, you should at least be able

to refund. If you get your money back,

that absolves all the sense. I don't

think he got they got their money back.

And what was it? $250,000 goal to then

turn it into a [ __ ] ripoff YouTube.

Not even just a really shitty YouTube

and probably just using someone like

Sonic for example. I don't think he got

the license of Sonic for that one. So I

don't think that's supposed to be up

there technically.

>> Oh, really? So now apparently Sonic is

just free use now. Open source. Just

just grab it and whatever. Actually, to

be fair, Sega doesn't really care. Sega,

I will be real. Sega doesn't really

care. So that money might be just a free

mulligan he took. But to be at the end

of the day, he didn't deliver a product

at all. Worth $250,000. That is

literally ludicrous amount of money that

he wasted on nothing. I don't even know

what he spent that money on. That's

point number one. I would say pretty bad

for him. The other point was what? Not

paying somebody. If there was not a lot

of evidence, it's hard to determine, but

I think at the end end of the day, as as

a business owner of content varieties, I

still think even if someone [ __ ] up,

just pay them. pay them. Even if they

[ __ ] up, even if the work isn't h if

you're not happy with it, just pay them

because then you they can't say [ __ ]

Okay? If you pay them and you give them

the money that they they feel like they

earned, which they did because they did

do the work, that's on you that you

there's nothing else on you. What are

they going to get mad at you for?

Nothing. So, just pay the people.

Especially if you have the money. Just

pay them. It's worse if you don't pay

them. That's the always the end end of

the rule solution is it's worse if you

don't pay them. So, that one's a bit

undetermined, I guess you could say. But

all I know is is that it is definitely a

bit of a mess that you could have

avoided. So whatever bend the comments,

all the weird comments. The worst part

is I can't defend any of those. But the

worst part is is that people do believe

that especially in the Christian

community apparently. That's a very big

um uh

>> Yeah, it's so it's so bad even I can't

defend it. Um

>> listen, that's just dumbass opinions. I

I can't and wrong opinions.

>> Informed a little illinformed. And I

think a little re-education would help.

Ah, yes. A nice little talk with uh

Robert Fluoride Kennedy would soothe all

his answers. I'm sure that would teach

him so much.

>> Robert Fluide Kennedy.

>> Yes. RFK Jr., my favorite boy of all

time. But that's okay, fine. Those I can

understand. But then the art stuff, AI

stuff, the to me now this is just like

you are you just don't care. Like I I I

really think to me like as the court of

public opinion, the final ruling to me

is he did stupid [ __ ] and he made a

mistake. Fine. But he could at least try

a bit better. And I think to me, I don't

think he cares. I don't think he cares

anymore. I think to him, he's just it's

like Taylor Swift. He's he she's like

peaked at her career because now she has

a loyal fan base that will just eat

everything that she gives her up. But

even now that's starting to crumble.

Butch thinks he has the Taylor Swift

audience where everyone is like bowing

down to him as the animation overlord,

but he forgets that indie small

animations is are kicking his ass. If

[ __ ] 3D Skibbidity Toilet animations

are getting more views than your shows

combined, clearly you're not a top dog.

Okay, just putting it out there. So, all

I'm going to say is as an animated

podcast, that's why you got to subscribe

so we can be better than Bush Hartman.

That's that's the biggest goal here. So,

you know,

>> I think at the end of the day, I think I

did a good job defending my client and I

think I deserve a little advertising

segment. Are you losing the public

favor? Don't [ __ ] call me. I

>> defend you.

>> She'll find you.

>> But I might not defend you. Well,

>> so uh what do I got to speak in Chinese

to summon you? Is that how I do it? Do I

got to like to start saying like bing

chilling and all of a sudden you just

spin and spawn in my closet?

>> Yeah, exactly. Honestly, I when I was

drawing this, I was laughing so much,

especially when I was done. As I have

mentioned so many times in this podcast,

I live in an area with like a high Asian

populace. And a lot of times, like on a

billboard, I will see advertisements for

lawyers, especially like Korean lawyers.

Those are the advertisements I typically

see. Not specifically Chinese, but like

I finished drawing this and I'm like,

wait, this is just the typical lawyer

billboard image I see. Like this is the

[ __ ] I see on the street.

>> This is like my local Korean spa and

this is what I see on the way there.

>> You are just better call Saul. I think

you were just Salt Goodman. You were

Salt Goodman's secret lover before Kim

Wexler.

>> I think that's what I'm hearing. I think

this is this is some lore you might have

to reveal because I think he left you

for a good reason because I don't think

you really did a good job defending.

>> Yeah, I said it. I said it. I said it.

>> Well, you know what? I think I did a

great job. I think I have fixed Butch

Hartman's reputation

and I think I am great and I can't wait

to defend the next person who loses

public favor because I don't [ __ ] on

people. My videos aren't entirely bad

mouthing people. See, I said good things

about Butch Hartman today. We only judge

those who need to be judged because

sometimes people need a little kick in

the booty cheeks to remember that being

a dick doesn't pay. And right now,

Butch, you've been a dick. As much as

Robin has tried to scrge for scraps to

defend you, you already know that you

[ __ ] up. If you, Mr. Butch Hartman,

this is to you. Okay? So, if you if

you're listening this deep, I'm sure you

probably listen to all the videos about

you. If you just maybe just try again,

maybe just try to bring back the spark

of animation, the art of creating, not

because you need the money or because

you want to create some big business

conglomerate. Clearly, you're not

business material. Okay, sorry to say

this. Okay, Robin here, as good of a as

terrible of a lawyer she is, she's a

great marketing woman. Okay, so as you

can see with this billboard, so but

unfortunately, Butch, you're not much of

a businessman yourself. It's okay to

hang up the coat. It's okay. Hang up the

hang up the suit. It's okay, buddy.

You're not in suits. You're in Butch

Hartman land. Maybe just pull your head

out of your ass. Realize art is a art

form of love and passion and you should

just do it for the fun of it, not the

money. I think you've made enough

residuals. Okay, buddy. You're fine. Or

maybe just leave the public side

entirely. I think you just walk into the

sunset, brother. Just ride into the

sunset or cook something so good that it

warrants you coming back. I I think it's

like that good old saying where like you

either die a hero or live long enough to

see yourself become a villain. And I

think that's sort of what happened to

Butch Hartman. I I can't sit here and

say like Butch Hartman isn't like he is

one of the top inspirations for my art.

And when I was drawing two things were

like very early inspirations for me. One

was the how to draw Pokemon drawing book

that I had. And I would like go to the

radio station with my mom and while she

was sitting there like recording traffic

reports, I'd be sitting there drawing my

little Pokemon from the Pokemon book.

And the second thing was is like when I

would be like at my grandmother's house

and I would be watching Nick tunes and

there would be these in between segments

where Butch Hartman would teach you how

to draw Cosmo, Timmy Turner, Jorgan von

Strangle, Danny Phantom, and I would

like learn from those tutorials how to

draw. And this was before anime became

an big inspiration for me. And it is so

disheartening to see someone who means

so much to me, who is such a big

inspiration for art for me and see him

fall from grace like so horrifically

bad. And I attempted to defend him. I

think I did a great job. But I guess if

the public disagrees, there's nothing I

can do about it.

>> Here's the the worst not even the worst

part. The thing is Butch can come back

if he was just not stupid. Like he could

really come back. I think honestly

speaking, his reputation isn't the

worst. Like there if Jake Paul can

survive, oh, Butch Hartman could too as

well. Like I think he could like the the

the the number one playbook of anybody

who's done wrongdoing is to just walk

right past it like nothing happened.

That is the rule book. And he failed

that as well. So, and he's just become a

laughingstock because he just continues

to do stupid [ __ ] as an artist. And it

is not hard to just put your ego aside.

Maybe it is hard for most people, but

it's like it's just understanding that

you the only reason he is where he is is

because he made stuff that people

resonated with. But if if your art isn't

resonating with people, then you're not

doing a good job as an artist, I would

think, right? Especially if you're

trying to monetize it. So, it's like

he's not doing that job. He's just using

his name to drag his whatever money he

can make. And that's always going to be

the problem is if you're trying to bank

off of your past legacy to keep making

you money. That's not going to work.

People move on fast. Okay? We we already

know how fast people move on from us.

Okay? You'll watch this and then you'll

be like, "All right, I'll never think

about doodle heads again." You know,

it's okay. We we don't take it

personally. We don't take it personally.

It's okay. I get it. There's a lot of

videos out there to watch. I'm sure

there's another Butch Hartman video you

wanted to watch, too. And you chose this

because

>> Actually, no. We Well, there is. There

is like one other one with a funny

YouTuber.

>> There's a lot of There's a lot of us.

>> I haven't seen anyone talk about the AI

ones.

>> Maybe there is. And I I think Well, this

one I've tried to summarize the latest

and greatest cuz I've seen one other

YouTuber talk about the AI controversy

and I haven't seen anyone yet summarize

it all to date. So, I tried to all

encompass it for everyone to make it

quick and easy. I would say it was

definitely a very well-compressed

summary. All I all I'm the last thing

I'm going to say is about Butch Hartman

is yes, just like you, he has inspired

me too. I actually one for one thing is

for certain, I really like his shows. As

much as they are very repetitive, I I

respect that. I think there's like

there's something good about something

or like some show that is always going

to be the same. And it's like it's like

I feel like there's there could be some

evolution because you could tell Butch

Hartman struggles with trying to evolve

his his art form. Like I think that's

like the one thing is he he clings onto

an idea but is not willing to change it.

And then when people start asking him to

change it, he just kind of says, "Okay,

fine. I'll change it." And then he he

doesn't really try cuz I to me it's just

that he holds his art form so high than

so much higher than everyone else is

that he's not willing to change. And at

this rate he probably can't change. He

could if he really just sat down with

himself and be like, "Yo, brother, I

think I'm being a dick." But I think

from I think from what I've heard from

how he even started, he's always been

like this. He's always had a huge ego

because he that's how he made it. That's

actually how he made it so far because

he, as he said with the introvert thing,

right? A lot of artists are introverts.

But if you're a loudmouth guy, you'll

most likely get what you want because

you're making your wants heard, which I

will give him that. If you want to get

something somewhere in this industry of

your choice, you got to you got to speak

and make network connections. But don't

call them don't call people who are

introverted [ __ ] selfish. That's

stupid. And that's what I think

>> his mentality got him. It made him he he

thinks that people are not working

selfish. He himself is selfish.

>> I think a lot of it is too is he's too

quick to the punch with his words

because the introvert one I sort of got.

I I would use this analogy a lot because

I would sort of mentor a lot of people

like within my college to try to push

them to do content and a lot of them

would be like Robin like how do you do

it? How how do you do it? How do you not

get stressed out about it? And the best

way I could explain it to them is like

I'm absolutely stressed out about it. It

is a content creation, production, all

of that stuff is 100% a stressful

process. And and I think this is where

like he is right that you have to push

yourself especially if you are a shyer

person or you're an introvert like me

where I'm not shy but I actively lose

energy as I talk to people to make it in

a very production focused space a very

networking focused space you have to

push yourself and the thing that he

didn't add that I would add is you have

to put systems in place to reset

yourself. And that's sort of what I do

is I have systems to sort of reboost my

energy. I acknowledge things that do

make me feel better like taking time to

read, taking time to play video games to

sort of mentally get back that energy.

But where he's wrong is to say that they

are selfish. I think at the end of the

day, the production process is tough.

And I compare it a lot to shooting a pew

pew where it's like the first time you

pull the trigger, you're it's loud. It's

loud. It's scary. And you're like, "Oh

my gosh," your heart is racing. But then

you do it a second time and it's still

loud. It's still scary, but it's a

little less. And then as you keep going,

next thing you know, you're like Laura

Croft or Bayonetta doing tricks and

flips and you're not even thinking about

it. And it is a process that you build

up to and it is something that takes

time. But I think opinions like Butch

Hartman's aren't doing anything and it

just shames people who might be a little

shy who want to be in the industry. And

I don't want people trying their best to

feel shamed.

>> Exactly. And you know what? At this

point, looking even at at his like

ratios, man's just screaming into the

void at this point. He's just throwing

his AI slop into the void. No one really

cares anymore. And that's the that's the

really sad part is if you continue to

alienate the people that supported you,

you're going to be alone. And right now,

he doesn't got much left. At this point,

if he wants to choose this path of being

sitting on his own little world of Butch

Hartman and not taking any sort of like

improvement on himself, then let him.

And honestly speaking, as the court of

public opinion, you do you, fam. You've

already stolen some of our money, made

us feel [ __ ] when you steal people's

art. But if you want to just sit in your

own little spot and be alone and

depressed, you go do you, fam. No one's

really gonna care unless you decide to

change one day. But all I know is is

that we did separate the art from the

artist, which is kind of funny cuz we

did a whole episode on that, which is

why you should click on the screen right

now to watch it because we have a lot of

good conversation. We should probably We

should probably put Butch Hartman there.

>> Question before we roll out, would Butch

Hartman be in the Heaven, Hell, or the

Dunkin Donuts? Yeah, if you don't know

what that means, you got to click on the

episode to find out. Okay, so go click

on the episode on screen and figure out

where you would think you would put the

butchart.

>> Tell us tell us if is heaven hell or

Dunkin' Donuts.

>> Figure it out. But go now. Free my

children. Go right into the episode.

Okay. Oh, if he's going to Dunkin

Donuts, can he get me some munchkins?