Inside the Mind of a Gladiator (It’s Not What You Think) | Jamie 'The Giant' on Tom's Talks Podcast

In this episode, we sit down with Jamie.

We talk about his bodybuilding era and what it took to become British champion.

When I was 25 stone, that was unhealthy.

You must have been eating a lot of food.

10,000 calories a day. I'd have a box of cereal for one meal.

He even tells us some incredible stories from his time as a firefighter.

I remember one time going into this flat fire. You can't see anything. It's

fire. You can't see anything. It's

black, pitch black. All you can hear is the fire and the heat rising. Well, who

is Jamie?

And when you ask who Jamie is, I think Jamie is a person that is honest and speaks the truth and is is real.

This episode is not to be missed. I hope

you enjoy it.

So, people see you on telly as this unstoppable giant, but on your own, who who is Jeremy? Who is Jeremy Big?

I'm a father. I'm a at this stage a 40-year-old man. I don't look mate, but

40-year-old man. I don't look mate, but you know, good looking 40-y old man, mate. The only time in my life I felt

mate. The only time in my life I felt like I'm not the youngest, oldest guy in the room was the other day when I sat on stage with a 44 year old man that looked like early 30s. I was like, "Fair play,

mate." But we'll come on to this power

mate." But we'll come on to this power of looking after yourself. Um, yeah, I'm a 40-year-old father, been on a TV show for the last three

years, which obviously increased my profile in the public eye. Used to be a professional bodybuilder.

I'm a coach um to people who want to improve their the health and fitness and mindset.

And I think the deeper layer to that is I'm a role model in my beliefs and values and what I believe them to be. We

can go into that in a bit more detail, but I think I have a lot high amount of integrity and honesty. And in this crazy world we're living in with social media, I'd like to think I can use my influence

in a positive way to help the next generation look after us because we're in a bit of a scary time, aren't we?

Where who knows what's going to happen. Do

you know the thing I love the most about you, mate, is you are to a lot of people 6'5 giant of a man, you know, tattoos, but you can tell straight away on a

deeper level you're just somebody that's very kind.

Yeah. Yeah. And I know that because you didn't know me, I didn't know you, but you commented on one of my videos on social media saying something very kind and supportive. And obviously that's how

supportive. And obviously that's how we've come about becoming friends.

Um, and I think it's just I think it's great because people see people of face value and make judgments.

Yeah.

Um, and it's just nice to be nice.

It is. And I said the other day someone asked me what a role model is and and I finished that sentence off with I just want to be a good person and I want to inspire other people to be good people as well because there is so

much [ __ ] in the world isn't there so much neg negativity.

We probably talk about this cuz it's like polarizing at the minute but manosphere documentary.

Yeah. What did you think that I thought it was unbelievable but believable at the same time that we live in this world at the minute where this shot culture is what gets views sadly

and influence. Yeah. And and the scary

and influence. Yeah. And and the scary thing is the younger generation, like my son's 16, I didn't know about this uh these types of people before. I'm not

even going to give him the credit to to mention the names, but I bet my son does. And it's a conversation that I wouldn't have known to have with him without watching documentary. So, I do see it as a

documentary. So, I do see it as a benefit to give people awareness that don't know about these things because we don't know what our kids are watching.

We don't know what our kids are searching on social media on the tablets and the phones at nighttime till 3 in the morning. So it opens up

the morning. So it opens up conversations and it all it does for me is as well is reminds that you're a good person like your values in the right place and in terms of being a role model

you end up taking more accountability and stepping into that situation and and checking yourself because I might have been in a situation before where I've been working and my son's on his phone and that's been okay because it's no

stress to me when I could have been prioritizing both things at the same time making sure he's okay. though I I think these situations help you check yourself. We're in we're in a a sorry

yourself. We're in we're in a a sorry state of affairs if that kind of media is seen as positive by anyone. But

people like me and you good people, we get to speak to younger generation and have influence on them. I think it just makes our job even more fulfilling as well.

Absolutely. And it the timing of that documentary was so weird because it was literally was it two or three weeks before I got asked to do a workshop in a school. I

spoke there previously a few times and done the normal talk that I do.

And they sent me an email saying, "Do you know anybody that speaks on toxic masculinity and misogyny?" Yeah.

And I said, "I don't, but I'm pretty sure I could say a few things for sure." Yeah.

for sure." Yeah.

If you want me to do it. So they said, "Yeah, that that'd be great." I put together a workshop um presentation and I jumped on a call with them. I said,

"This is what I've come up with. What do

you think?" After the third slide, they went, "This is perfect."

Yeah.

And I went in and delivered it. And we

was talking a lot about core values, you know, what is toxic masculinity, what is misogyny, you know, understanding that people that you see online, these different influencers,

they are getting paid on the more extreme things that they say. But if you met that person in per in real life, they probably wouldn't be like that. But

you're you're seeing that and that's what you think you should be like when in reality it's not character.

Yeah. You you got to understand that whenever you make decisions you have to reflect back on does this decision does this thing that I say to this person or this message that I send or this action

that I take does that align with my core values as a person if it doesn't then don't do it. Yeah. And then actually it's interesting because they were year 10. Yeah. But even the conversations

10. Yeah. But even the conversations that we had about core values like they were talking about respect and responsibility. Yeah.

responsibility. Yeah.

And it the feedback that we got was was exceptional and it went down and it landed really well and I've been bugged from posting a few clips online referrals.

It's it's got me a lot more off the back of it.

That's amazing.

But then two weeks later the Manosphere documentary came out. So weird the timing of it.

Yes. That was before it came out which even matter is it.

Yeah. Yeah.

I've got loads of [ __ ] online for it though.

Really?

Yeah. Bizarre. I don't know if you I don't know if you saw the clip I put on.

It was a clip. I'll show you after we've done this. Yeah,

done this. Yeah, it was a clip from the workshop. Have

you seen it, Dan? Have you seen the the abuse I've been getting from it?

The it was a clip of me in the workshop saying asking the question, "What does it mean to you to be a man?"

And then going around each table and speaking to the lads and asking the individual and they were like, "Respect, responsibility?"

responsibility?" Y I said, "Do you think respect is taken or do you have to earn respect?"

And they said, "Respect is is earned."

Yeah.

And that was it.

Yeah. Oh my god, the comments.

Yeah, it's like this is the problem that we've got. It is,

we've got. It is, you know, and I was trying to explain to people, you've taken a minute clip and taken it however context that you want.

Yeah.

You know, this is the work that I do.

Like look at the broader perspective of what I'm doing here.

It's mental.

And again, people are so judgmental. And

that's what I want to try and change in terms of I don't judge.

No. And I I don't think you could judge people for for being themselves and having these core values and these strong opinions, but also allowing other people the freedom of speech and thought

essentially. I think it's been easy to

essentially. I think it's been easy to judge because we've got social media now and you can type a comment on a minute reel without the context, without the backgrounds, without any backlash.

It's mad without any backlash. But for

us, you know, we're creating content for a certain reason, whether it be business, whether it's to share a message, whether it's to inspire and help people. Um, it's always good to

help people. Um, it's always good to create those conversations and it's crazy to me sometimes the people that come back at you.

Yeah. Do you get much hate?

I I I I didn't in the past. However,

I've started putting out a bit more um controversial subjects like things that I know are polarizing people going to talk about. So, I've started to get I

talk about. So, I've started to get I wouldn't say negativity on a mad scale, but there's now people that essentially don't say, "Oh, yes, you you're amazing

and you're right. Everything you say is right." There's this there's that

right." There's this there's that conflict and opinion, which is which is what I want it to be. Normally, it's in the comments between other people in it.

Yeah.

You might start something off, someone might say something negative to you, then you got 10 people who come in to back you up and it's just a spiral of comments on there. But I did something

about um like thin shaming.

I saw it. Starbucks.

Yeah, Starbucks.

But you were right in what you said though.

I think I was in my opinion.

But for me, I'm fine with the way I look now.

Like I know I'm thinner and lighter and skinnier or however you want to like frame it than I used to be, but that's out of choice. And I love the body weight I am, the shape, and how I feel

with that. Mentally, I'm also more than

with that. Mentally, I'm also more than fine with that. But I also know there's a lot of people because social media that can't handle the abuse or handle the stigma that is attached with it.

Because essentially, if you post something that is now not just your intellectual property, it's everybody else's property. You're giving everybody

else's property. You're giving everybody else a chance to comment. And some

people just aren't ready for it. So, I

want to open up these conversations for the people that need the help and direction, need the support, need people to like back what they think because I do think that fat shaming and fin shaming are the same thing. And and for

someone who's who's overweight, to say someone's skinny is a derogatory term in a sense that they probably want to look like that or want to be thinner as well.

Just give the context of the video that you put because I saw it and I thought you were you were spot on with what you said.

Yeah. Do you want to give me context?

Yeah. What was the context of the video?

You went to Starbucks and you ordered a drink and so I'd not been back to that local area for for a long time. Yeah, that's my local um I was going out to clear me house. Uh so I was back in the like the

house. Uh so I was back in the like the old Starbucks that I used to go to.

Didn't name the Starbucks. Didn't name

the person. We'll come on to this why that's important.

They message me.

Yes.

Where they commented like outed themselves. I was like I didn't out. You

themselves. I was like I didn't out. You

outed yourself.

What did they say?

So sorry.

No, it's fine. So, I went to Starbucks bearing in mind she'd seen me before as this 25 stone bodybuilder and I think she put in the comments she'd put like um you used to be as wide as a wall. Oh,

this there's also narrow walls. So, what

wall you talking about? But yeah, I used to be a lot bigger. So, I've been in a Starbucks and and we was we're on friendly terms. I I don't know a name, but obviously we speak we've spoken in the past many times. Go in Starbucks.

She goes, "Um, oh my god, you look skinny."

skinny." First thing she said, first thing she said, like word for word. And I was like, "Oh my god, thank you. Could I

have a cinnamon milk latte, please?

Medium, no sweetener." Um, and she's like, "Yeah." And the conversation kind

like, "Yeah." And the conversation kind of like fizzled out from there and I moved on. And I got back in the white

moved on. And I got back in the white van that I'd hired and I did this little video because I thought that's actually made me think.

I'm not crazy mad about what she said.

But that was probably the third time it happened in two days really.

So I was like, okay. So they're they're not framing it as in, oh, you've lost weight, you look really good. They're

framing it as you're now lesser than where you used to be.

Is that the perspective that you took from her?

Yeah. Um, and I say that because the perspective of that is a perspective that I know and understand is a huge problem in bodybuilding and, you know, general life. People who train and want

general life. People who train and want to be more muscular.

We could probably delve into it a bit more, but the whole body dysmorphia aspect that comes along with that training. When I first started training,

training. When I first started training, I wanted to be 16 stone and then I want to be 17 and 18 and 19 and 20. And it

never stops, does it? I wanted to have 20in biceps at one point. I know it was 21, 22, 23. And I was always like then more focused on what somebody else had.

Oh, he's got 24 inch biceps. He's got 32 inch legs. He looks like he's got better

inch legs. He looks like he's got better six-pack than me. So, I need to work on that. So again, it all goes into the

that. So again, it all goes into the social media environment that we're in.

Freely accessible content and things to look at that we're always considering that our endeavors and progression isn't good enough.

When you strip it all back and you think, "Shit, man. At one stage I was that kid that wanted to be 16 stone."

And um I got to 25 stones, that's nine stone. Put that on a table in like

stone. Put that on a table in like weight and kilos and it's just madness.

What age were you when you were 25 stone?

Uh 30. Yeah.

So 10 years.

Is that the peak of your bodybuilding career?

That was the peak of my size. Probably

between 30 and 35.

Did you feel do you know at that point at 25 start?

Yeah.

Was it ever in your head of thinking I feel a bit too big?

Not really. I always felt not big enough.

Really?

Yeah. Even at that point. And do you ever put look back at pictures when you was lean and remember at the time you wasn't happy?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

All the time. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

So now I have a great amount of ability to reflect and great amount of personal experience and that's why I feel like I'm very comfortable with the way I look now because the way I look now is attached

to my identity and who I want to be right now.

And I think more people need the focus on you know what are their core values.

Yeah.

And the identity and the physical identity is built around that as well.

Um, but I was trying to think of what my my point was when you So you said so you said about you've been to Starbucks.

Yeah.

But people don't I mean from my understanding of what you said was like people need to stop and think about what they say before they say it because although they

haven't called you fat as somebody that prides themselves on being muscular and goes to the gym because that's the appearance. And I don't know if you were

appearance. And I don't know if you were like me, but when I was younger, I was really skinny.

So I always wanted to be somebody that's always struggled to gain weight, but they probably that person didn't stop to reflect on how that might make somebody feel.

Definitely. And I think what I was going to say is the whole psychology and body dysmorpher aspect of bodybuilding, people coming away from bodybuilding essentially when

I was 25 stone that was unhealthy. There

were certain things I was doing and the just being that size alone I could not lead that life forever.

You must have been eating a lot of food.

10,000 calories a day.

And how how many weeks, months of the year did you maintain 10,000 calories a day?

6 months.

Jesus.

Yeah. Long time.

My food bill was horrible, mate.

Mental horrible. But imagine the uh toilet paper bill as well.

God. But essentially, I got I was in a world of bodybuilding where I realized that um training is good for your mental health to a point. When you start

competing, the lines between positive for your mental health and negative for mental health get skewed. And then the idea of I'm never good enough, I need to

be better also impact on your mental health. So, I've been very clear on my

health. So, I've been very clear on my goals and who I want to be right now.

And I want to be able to use that as a positive example to remember where you started and still give yourself a pat on the back from time to time because I think we're all self-critical

and almost like kind kind of bringing that scenario to light with the fin shaming fat shaming thing. What I really wanted to do was say everybody has their own idea of what's

perfect and everyone has their own idea of what's okay but talking about someone's weight in today's day and age is a sensitive subject. So just be mindful that on both sides of the coin.

Unless you know that person, unless you like got a friendship with them and and you can speak to them on the level and you know them long enough to know that the changes they've made are for whatever reason, just don't comment.

Mhm.

Um because it can be very very sabotaging and younger generation now have got this content that this they're they're soaking up and that's drawn from people

looking a certain way and then they go down a rabbit hole, don't they? I can

look like that. speak to a guy in the gym, well, you need to take these supplements. And that's a question and a

supplements. And that's a question and a conversation itself that I want to del more into in another time of my life.

And I hope that's soon. But again,

people stepping away from bodybuilding.

That loss of weight, that loss of the look, that loss of the identity is something that they really struggle with.

But I can imagine that. And I've I've been there in the past. Not I've never competed, but I've been somebody I'm 30 years old now and I've, you know, trained in the gym and lifted weights and looked after my physique since I was

14.

Yeah.

And it's a hard one because when you get in peak shape whether you're standing on stage or going on holiday, you can't to be that lean is not sustainable.

No.

And it's it would it would mess with your head.

Yeah.

Because you think, "Fucking hell, I'm not that lean anymore." But but to actually be that lean Yeah. and that look that good all year

Yeah. and that look that good all year round. Yeah,

round. Yeah, it's very hard to maintain.

I think this is what I want to do. Then

when you ask you James, I think Jamie is a person that is honest and speaks the truth and is is real.

Like I'm not going to tell people it's easy to stay in shape all year round.

I want to almost use myself at the minute as an attainable physique and mindset towards a sustainable way of living that can create and maintain a

body until I'm bloody 60 70 years old.

Yeah. and not have the thought of perfect to be this bodybuilder that's on stage winning trophies and competing with the highest like people in the world and then having other people think that they need to be like that as well.

But you don't think I hope you don't take this wrong way like my opinion of bodybuilding is that it's subjective.

Yeah.

Like did like I think that's the well the main reason why I used I used to really want to compete when I was younger but I was very honest with myself. I looked in the mirror and I had

myself. I looked in the mirror and I had a few injuries from rugby. Like I

basically got no left shoulder.

My left biceps nowhere near as big as my right. I kind of thought to myself,

right. I kind of thought to myself, I'm not going to do very well. Yeah.

Because I'm not symmetrical and symmetry is one of the main things that you need in bodybuilding. But I also thought that

in bodybuilding. But I also thought that I don't want to put myself through 16 weeks of mental torture and be [ __ ] starving to then get judged by 10 different people on stage that have all got a different opinion of me.

That was my whole thing.

Yeah.

With it. But

I think you're right, mate. I I got judged for being tall and got judged for essentially never being big enough because I was tall. Need more weight.

Need more weight. Need more weight. Sat

Jay Cutler once at breakfast before the Arnold Classic 2022. And he was like, "Wow, you look really good." He says, "How much do you weigh?" I was like, "300 lb." Massive achievement. I was on

"300 lb." Massive achievement. I was on stage at 300 pound. That was my like life goal as a bodybuilder or one of like the milestones I wanted to hit. And

he was like, "Okay." He says, "How tall are you? 6'5." Right. You probably need

are you? 6'5." Right. You probably need another 40 pounds of muscle if you want to be competitive. Like 40 pounds of muscle. I'd gone from 200 to 300 pound.

muscle. I'd gone from 200 to 300 pound.

So I put 100 pound of muscle on as a bodybuilder, but that took me over 10 years. So to replicate that, you know,

years. So to replicate that, you know, yourself when you get to a certain level, you you gain easier in the beginning, then it gets harder and harder and harder, doesn't it? So I'm

thinking 40, what would I need to do to that? That's like an offseason weight of

that? That's like an offseason weight of 400 lb. Um, as an older individual,

400 lb. Um, as an older individual, it's not healthy.

It's not healthy. It's a no-brainer. So

that was a time where I kind of checked myself and thought I need to uh develop a route out of this.

How tall is Jay Cutler? 5'10.

Yeah, maybe 5'8.

Do you know? Sorry, I'm going off bit topic here. Do

topic here. Do you know Samson?

Yeah.

The guy that won Mr. Olympia last year.

Yeah. Yeah. Samson down.

He's tall, isn't it?

He's like 5'10. 5'11. Yeah. You'd think

he's taller, but he's he's 510 5'11. Oh,

I thought them uh who's the uh Asian bodybuilder that won it?

Uh Hadi.

Hadi. He must be a dwarf then.

Yeah. 55.

He's like Flex Lewis size.

Yeah. Wow.

Um so again, subjective in it.

Yeah.

And everybody's different. So if we if we go back to you competing or wanting to compete and deciding not to and the mental health aspect of competing as well and and and and training being a

positive influence on everyone's life.

The competing thing is if you can compete and take the competitive aspect out of it and do it for all the other things it's good for which is discipline self-control resilience

willpower, having a routine, bettering yourself, a sense of achievement. Like

the sense of achievement at the end of that 16 weeks when you get on stage and you you get your talent on and you go and in front of your friends and your family and you might get a trophy or not

is enormous. M

is enormous. M but I do think that that the whole all them benefits are overshan by people disappointed with not placing

um as as high as they expect themselves cuz you get in this like [ __ ] fishbowl of thinking that you're the best positive speaking and and like I used to listen to uh Lesbran.

Yeah, Les Brown I am the one like if no one's listened to that go and listen to it because if you want to get motivated listen to that. I used to listen to that every single morning when I went for my morning walk as a bodybuilder for about

like a year straight. And there was parts on that journey on that walk each morning that I'd start crying because it got in my head that much and I was so

focused on that goal and so emotional about visualizing the end result. It

tips you over the edge in a good way. But thinking back at the time I was like, "Wow."

Yeah. that that's um that's the the hole you can go down with it.

Yeah. And I think that that is the other side of bodybuilding that you know I do for the people that stand on stage and you put yourself and you you give yourself that challenge.

Yeah.

And you put yourself through the you know the extreme discipline that is needed to get to the body fat levels that you do to be able to do that and I do take my hat off to you.

Yeah. Sure.

But but for me then equally it's like the subjective nature. It's not like you win at football, you know, you score a goal, they don't, you've won.

Yeah.

Like how like for me, the thing I struggle with is how 10 people can all have a different opinion. Yeah.

But then come together and make one opinion and who's number one, who's number two, and who's number three.

And then there politics.

Yeah.

There's unfairness.

It's there. And it's expensive.

I can imagine.

Like you can throw a lot of money at it.

What would what would a So when you were at the peak of your bodybuilding career Yeah. What would it cost to do a

Yeah. What would it cost to do a leading up to a competition? So, if

you're 16 weeks out, Yeah.

Well, let's say for 12 months, for example, you're doing 10,000 calories a day.

Yeah.

So, you're doing 10,000 calories a day for 6 months to put as much size on as you can and then you get to what I don't know would it be 16 weeks out you start to cut back.

Yeah.

What would that cost be? If if you're a professional, let's just say like talking from my my perspective, if I'm a professional doing a professional show, the prize money for a professional show

is $10,000 for winning a qualifier to the Olympia. I reckon a prep would cost

the Olympia. I reckon a prep would cost you $10,000.

Really?

So, if you got first place, that prep would be free.

Wow.

But you ain't getting first place, you know, 99% of the time, unless you're one of the best.

I won a lot as an amateur. Didn't lose

very much at all as an amateur. My

highest place as a professional was three at third at France um in 2022. Like that was last

year competing. And I got $25,000 there

year competing. And I got $25,000 there for first for third place. And I got $1,500 for the um best posing award, which I still find mad because I wasn't

the best poser in any rights, but I presented myself well, so I think that was it. Like fair.

was it. Like fair.

Yeah.

So that was $4,000. But then my sponsor at the time matched that. So I got $8,000. That was my biggest like purse

$8,000. That was my biggest like purse in terms of like winners.

But yeah, if I didn't have sponsorship, I would have definitely lost money being a bodybuilder. But fortunately for me, I

a bodybuilder. But fortunately for me, I was able to navigate myself and image online.

Yeah.

Um through being AK the giant known in bodybuilding and then have sponsorships and um other streams of revenue off the back of being a bodybuilder.

Was that was supplement company?

Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I think we're with with social media and the advancement of social media now as well, people want to be a profile. They want

to be attached to brands. A lot of the time now that means they do it for free.

So, that's affected the way sponsors give out money. Um, and now I think the sponsorship situation is a lot harder and you have to be at the top of your game and great on social media, which is

a full-time job in itself, to probably get anywhere with it. So, there's a lot of people out there. I think that bodybuilding is an expensive endeavor.

I do think for you though, I really enjoy your selfie videos.

Yeah.

Yeah. Cuz I think that's that is you, isn't it?

Like that's showing the real you. I

think that like obviously look I was looking at how well they were performing. I can see that you're

performing. I can see that you're getting a lot of engagement. But I think it's just because it's the real you, isn't it? I think so. People want to

isn't it? I think so. People want to know the real you. They want to know the real me. That's

real me. That's Yeah.

That's why it does so well.

Yeah. I think you're right. People want

to see like your real personality. They

want that morality and just connection to you. I did did one the other day.

I like to think about or or speak about things as well that I know other people don't like speaking about.

Even if like in in a lot of ways it's embarrassing. Like people won't speak

embarrassing. Like people won't speak about the feet cuz they're embarrassing.

Right.

Or let's say someone's got hemorrhoid.

What size feet are you?

11.

Oh, yeah. I'm a 10.

Yeah. Uh, I do wear a 12 sometimes and I've noticed that I wore 11 for a lot of years, but some of them are too tight.

But, you know, when you put 12 on, it's looks a bit big and you think the 11 looks better with my outfit.

Bit clown bit squashed in.

What I was going to say is I did a post um I've got to edit the reel, but I went for um fungal nail laser the other day.

How was that?

And it's very I think fungal nail apparently is very common, right?

A lot of people's got it. And I've had it from like being in a footballer when I was younger, dropping weights on my feet in the gym, wearing trainers all the time, you know, just general stuff.

So went for this fungal nail laser. It's

my second appointment. I thought I'm going to vlog it. So I got me feet on camera, wait for the thing to come out and uh and I say in there something like, "Hope no one's got for anyone who's got a foot fetch, you're going to

love this."

love this." Because I I like to make people laugh as well. That's a big part. I know you're

well. That's a big part. I know you're the same. I think laughter for me is

the same. I think laughter for me is like a drug. That that's I don't take drugs, so that's my drug.

You know, that's my feelood hormone, making other people laugh and adding value and happiness to other people's lives. So,

lives. So, getting a laugh, it's just a feelood vibe, isn't it?

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mental health. You know, going back to the um when you were doing the 10,000 calories a day. Yeah. What was your food bill a

a day. Yeah. What was your food bill a week? I reckon it was 500 quid a week. I

week? I reckon it was 500 quid a week. I

was reckoning two grand a month on food cuz I was eating out as well. And that

was um predominantly just me not not the family. What was just quickly like

family. What was just quickly like morning to when you go to bed? What

would that consist of?

So I have like eight meals. My breakfast

will consist of 250 gram 300 gram fillet steak with four whole eggs, a bowl of oats, which is 150 grams of oats with a

banana in it. Um, and some nut butter as well. That was like the breakfast.

well. That was like the breakfast.

Sound fulls.

Yeah. Yeah, that was a breakfast. And

then through the day I'd have whole meals. So I wouldn't have many shakes.

meals. So I wouldn't have many shakes.

I'd probably have two shakes through the day and that would be like two scoops away, few bananas, nut butter, you know, try and make it as calorific as possible, probably a bit of honey. But

then my meals were probably 100 to 150 grams of carbs per meal. So that would be per meal like 180 grams of rice or something dry

weight. So what would that be? Like 5 to

weight. So what would that be? Like 5 to 600 gram cooked weight rice and then 300 gram of meat, chicken, beef, whatever.

Um, and then get some fats in there from sometimes I just get oil over my food.

Yeah. Whatever I could get snacks like malt loaf with butter to up the calories. I was eating post-workout. I

calories. I was eating post-workout. I

went through the cereal craze. I'd have

a box of cereal for one meal with with whey protein after I worked out. Or if I didn't want all the cereal, I'd have half the box of cereal. Then I make up the carbs with something like a sorine

malt loaf. And I just get the loaf out

malt loaf. And I just get the loaf out the bag and I just eat eat the loaf like that. Gone whole.

that. Gone whole.

Did you feel full all the time? Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't have no appetite. Like food was horrendous. I think that's why I eat

horrendous. I think that's why I eat less now and choose to be lighter because of the PTSD from eating all that food. My last meal of the night.

food. My last meal of the night.

But you're banking money now. You're not

spending all.

Yeah. Yeah. I got uh got rid of the M3 and no diet bills. [ __ ] I'm I'm quizzy.

Got savings. But um my last meal of the day was to and this was probably one of my favorite meals of the day. But had

because of the time I ate it, it had to be appetizing. So there was that

be appetizing. So there was that strategy behind my meals. Like the more boring meals would be through the day where I'm just like 45 minutes sat at the table slogging away this meal. This

last meal was two peanut butter and jam sandwiches with uh just a protein shake with like almond milk or something. And

I'd put that on the side of the toilet for when I woke up in the middle of the night. And when I'd wake up to go for a

night. And when I'd wake up to go for a piss, I'd sit down, have a piss. I'd sit

there eating these sandwiches, drinking a shake, and then go back to bed.

No way.

Yeah. Horrible, isn't it?

What was your sleep like?

Bad. Yeah. I mean, because of the amount of water I drank as a bodybuilder as well.

It was like six liters a day.

Six liters a day minimum. And all the food. Imagine when you go to sleep, your

food. Imagine when you go to sleep, your body's processing all that.

So, I was up five times a night for a week.

So, my sleep was always really broken.

What's your sleep like now?

Better. But I still have nights where I think it's either an irritation of the bladder from all the food and liquids in

the past or it's a habit.

I think it's very habitual that um I'll wake up and then my body will say my brain will say you need a we so I can go to for a weave three, four, five times some nights but then other nights like one or two.

Do you drink a lot?

Not really.

Yeah. I uh I had the same problem. I

actually went to the doctors a few times because I was getting up for a week.

Some nights I'll be up at six six times in a night and it really affecting my sleep.

But since my sleep in the last 3 months has never been better really and it's cuz I've stopped drinking.

Yeah.

I not stopped forever.

Yeah. Yeah.

Just wanted to see how long I could go without drinking. Not that I had a

without drinking. Not that I had a problem before. I didn't really drink

problem before. I didn't really drink that much before, but um since I stopped drinking at the beginning of the year, I've never slept better.

Yeah.

Yeah. And then caffeine as well. Like

I'm drinking more caffeine now.

Yeah.

And I'm still sleeping fine.

Okay.

Yeah. Apart from the other day I had a pre-workout a bit too late in the day that affected myself.

Yeah.

I definitely think it's something that will be affecting it.

Like there'll be a specific type of food or type of drink like pre-workout or caffeine or whatever it is.

You a fan of a pre-workout?

Not I don't I don't need one a lot of the times. I I like the no stim ones as

the times. I I like the no stim ones as well. Like JP's got a pumpage one that's

well. Like JP's got a pumpage one that's really good till that yesterday was good. But I just have a coffee,

good. But I just have a coffee, bit of caffeine.

Go.

You know what I love before you?

Yeah.

I love having two square bars and dry scooping pre-workout.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I think when I do that, I'm like, "Right, [ __ ] it. I'm ready to train."

Everyone's got a routine, aren't they?

Yeah.

That's like our lives are built around routines. And sometimes training needs a

routines. And sometimes training needs a routine. Well, it does.

routine. Well, it does.

Yeah. Yeah.

And and that Yeah. dry scoops like you go to war in it.

What uh what is your training like now?

Um more sporadic, less regimented.

I've obviously got my own gym in Il Kingston.

Are you enjoying it more?

I am enjoying it now. I remember when we we spoke a few months back, I was just trying to get back into it, weren't I?

Yeah, because essentially I've gone from being able to be a master of my own routine and not have anything or much outside of being a bodybuilder and a coach and

obviously a father and stuff like that.

But in a in a working capacity, I knew where I was and uh the gym was part of my job. So I did that as a hobby, not

my job. So I did that as a hobby, not not a hobby, a job every day of my life for the past like 12 years.

What it's like now is I could get told today that they want me in Manchester on Friday or they want me in London and um it's going to be a three-day affair. I'm

going to Germany in April for Fibo.

That's three days, but one day at the event, two days traveling.

What's FIBO?

Fibo is like um a sports, nutrition, bodybuilding, fitness expo, right?

Biggest one in Europe. Massive. So, I'm

going there. and and things like that are more common now. My schedule is all over the place. I look at my diary, I think, oh my god, I talk about ADHD.

That's why it's probably more prevalent now to me that I've got it because it looks like someone's thrown a grenade in my life and it's just gone like that.

So, my training is it has to be a priority. It has to be a focus as part

priority. It has to be a focus as part of my routine and I need to plan forward to be able to make sure that that's in there as like a non-negotiable. So today

for example, I should have got up in the morning and gone training, but I had work to do so I left it on the back seat and I probably won't go now till tomorrow. If I was to

if I was really on with my training, which I do get in in class in in the sense that my goals change over time towards like filming and stuff like that, I want to improve my physique and I'll make that an absolute priority. So,

I'll train probably four or five times a week at that point. At the minute, it's more like two to three. But I think that's just like my maintenance. And a

lot of it is for again mental health, just feeling a certain way and um getting a lot of stuff off your chest, not just the weights.

Is there any exercises specifically that you do that benefit you or help you with the gladiators?

I think um what I don't do as much of anymore, and it might be a surprise because luckily they're still like hanging on is legs.

Like I used to love a good leg day. I've

got leg days on YouTube with Milos where if I did them now I'd die. End off. Um

and I don't do legs much anymore. I

probably train legs once every other week. I think upper body looks good on

week. I think upper body looks good on TV, you know, in the old leotard and whatever.

Your legs are massive.

Yeah. So that's what I mean. So, I think I've built my legs up to a point um whereby there's I don't know what I'd have to do for them to shrink to the point where I think I need to train my legs.

You know, I have to train legs twice a week from not to shrink.

Yeah.

Well, we're all given like different qualities, aren't we? That just

mine are legs.

Do you know the thing is though, right?

Like I work bloody hard to get my legs and someone told me a story that I've never heard before. And I was like, "You being serious?" And it was a coach that

being serious?" And it was a coach that I've got within my my program. And he

said, "You do know that, you know, people say that you were lucky to grow your legs." Cuz he was talking about how

your legs." Cuz he was talking about how big I used to be. And he was like, "Yeah, the conversation behind the scenes that you probably wasn't privy to was you were lucky to have big legs and you only got big legs because you used

to play a lot of football." I like in what world in in what how in someone's like mindset can you immediately just discard

another person's effort and hard work and make up a narrative in your mind that makes you feel better.

Yeah.

It's just mad, isn't it?

I know from personal experience being 6'5 Yeah.

how hard it must have been to grow your legs.

Yeah.

Like I said, twice twice a week I smash my legs to bits and they just don't grow. They stay the same. I think what did it for me

same. I think what did it for me when I was in that area of my life, I was eating all the food. I was doing everything right. Essentially that

everything right. Essentially that needed to be the the foundation of it all because without ticking all the boxes because essentially now in life as an older individual with more priorities

and different priorities, it's like it's about how can I fit it in and how can I balance it as best I possibly can. So

essentially, if I was to try and grow my legs now, I think the priorities and balance of everything would be not good enough, not focused on growing those enough. But when I was doing everything

enough. But when I was doing everything I possibly could, I had a training partner who absolutely ruined me every single day as well. So there's a level of training that I think you need to

kind of aspire to, which is hard by yourself and then all the other things that come along with it as well. Yeah,

to be fair, I've always I've trained on my own just cuz my routine is similar to yours. like I'm here, there, and

yours. like I'm here, there, and everywhere. And I don't I won't want

everywhere. And I don't I won't want somebody to be waiting around for me.

It's hard, isn't it?

When I'm a bit of a nightmare with where I'm going to be and what time.

That's not me saying that you don't train hard, by the way.

It's just me saying that I know my personal capacity to train is 100% high with someone else, especially if they're an absolute demon as well.

You get that extra rep out, don't you?

The extra two reps, which makes all the difference. If you're on your own, if

difference. If you're on your own, if you're, for example, doing incline dumbbell press on a bench, you know, I might do 40s for six or seven.

Yeah.

Like max of what I can lift at the minute, which is hilarious cuz I think back to when I was like my early 20s and I were throwing 46s and 50s around like they were nothing. And now I can't even.

But anyway, but now I know that if I had if you were spotting me today, we were training. If you made time for me, that

training. If you made time for me, that was I'm just going to leave that there.

Uh yeah, I get them extra reps out which is what you need you know combine that obviously you know more than me but combine high protein diet you know getting adequate amount of food in rest and you know pushing to failure and them

extra few reps that's what counts isn't it? Well, do you know what it is as

it? Well, do you know what it is as well? It's the consistency over time

well? It's the consistency over time because the consistencing of your legs week after week after week to that point which is like 100 out of 100 if you're going to score that

training session. You know, if you're by

training session. You know, if you're by yourself, I'm just speaking for me. I might have one of those sessions every four sessions.

Yeah.

So, that's one every month instead of four every month. That's 12 every year instead of 48. Quick math there.

That's that's the message for life though, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. Some reps.

This is the problem with society today, especially the younger generation. Like

every everybody expects everything.

Yeah.

Like that.

Yeah. Yeah.

But it's like the same if you want big legs. It's not going to happen

legs. It's not going to happen overnight.

No. The biggest thing I tell everyone and like you said, it's the for fitness, bodybuilding, and life. Consistency over

time wins all every single time.

Yeah. Because if you're going to do something consistently over time, you're going to get results if you're doing the right things in the first place.

Absolutely. It's like the podcast. 67

episodes. 67.

Oh, I was at dinner with my nana the other day. She said 67 out of nowhere

other day. She said 67 out of nowhere cuz it was on the bill. My nana was 83 years old. She thought she was well cool

years old. She thought she was well cool and I was like, "No, fair fair play."

You know, I mean it the joke's probably six months ago, but well, fair play.

Did you see the real on Tik Tok that I put on?

No.

About six seven.

I uh I was at um a school in Rotherham and I was doing a workshop and at this point I still to this day don't really get what it is at this point I genuinely hadn't seen what it

was didn't know what it was and I was talking about routine I was like I wake up in the morning around 67 and all the kids just absolutely pissed themselves I was like what you laughing at

they was like 67 I was like what's that was like you know 67 I was like I generally don't have a clue what to about but because I think it. I think it did so well on TikTok because I genuinely didn't have a clue what they

were on about and they couldn't believe that I didn't know what they were about.

Wow.

So, what's matter?

Yeah. 67.

I'm trying to learn about all this like pop culture stuff and younger generation. Oh, it's it's killing me.

generation. Oh, it's it's killing me.

You I just don't know what any of it means. My son son's like, "Go and touch

means. My son son's like, "Go and touch some grass, Dad."

What does that mean?

What do you mean go and touch some grass? It means like um go and check

grass? It means like um go and check yourself. Like um if you if you're

yourself. Like um if you if you're having an argument, just say go touch some grass.

What? What do you mean?

He's in your elevator or something.

No, he's 16. He's like he's finished school now. He's going he's going to

school now. He's going he's going to college. Yeah.

college. Yeah.

Yeah.

Or well, he had an apprenticeship that he got fired from. He's now going to college.

That's another story.

Oh god.

Um what you on about here, Dad?

Dan, sorry. put on. We

It would be a fun segment if I read out like the like six seven style brain rot sort of thing, then you two have to try and guess what it is.

Okay, we'll do it.

Okay, guess these brain rot terms. Level 10 gat.

What have you got any idea?

Uh, gal. Level 10 gal.

I I would 10 out of 10 girl.

I would say that. Yeah.

A slang term for an impressive backside.

Oh, gat. A little bit in the gut.

I got remember that one then.

Mewing.

Mewing.

Mewing is an exercise that involves holding the tongue against the roof of the mouth to define the jawline.

Oh, do you know I got a friend who does that? I think

that? I think I don't know. I've got a pretty good jawline, so I'm all right. I think I like I did it every time I try and do it. I say try to part I'm not sure about

it. I say try to part I'm not sure about that. Okay.

that. Okay.

So you do that and that makes jawline better. I mean that you could always

better. I mean that you could always improve your jawline but you have got a good jawline.

Thank you.

Yeah.

You don't need to mw mate.

I thought something just level 10 got me.

Gooning gooning.

Oh, I sounds like gning, doesn't it?

Gooning.

Is that Wanker?

That's what they said. Gooning.

Yeah. They went, "Sir, you goon. Have

you been gooning?"

What? I like what? What was that?

No way. Gooning. Gooning.

So, with that in mind, what is a goon cave?

Have you seen Have you seen Have you seen Oh, what's it called now? Uh, I

love you, man. With Paul Rudd.

No. Men film. I have to watch it. Um,

and he's got a a wank station house.

Yeah.

We enter into the man cave station.

Ah, there you go.

Pretty much a goon cave.

Yeah.

Um, looks maxing.

Looks maxing.

Looks maximing. I would say that was like looks good.

Looks maxing. No idea.

So, putting effort into improving your appearance.

Fair enough. So muing could be considered looks maxing.

Looks maxing. Okay, last one. Uh crash

out.

Tired.

Yeah, just give up.

To completely lose control or have an emotional meltdown.

What was the one that your son said?

Go get on the grass. Oh, go touch some grass.

Go touch grass.

When whenever one of your colleagues having a go, you said, "Go touch some grass."

grass." I'm going to remember that.

Frank, go touch some grass.

I don't know which is my favorite out of all them terms. Muing is one that Yeah.

I never This is You never consider these things a thing, do you?

No.

But they've made up terms. What? How? What year?

What? How? What year?

There's one more as well. Um, which is in the looks maxing. People have been doing bone smashing, which is where you literally take a hammer and smash your your facial bones

to get structured.

Legit. Really? That's madness.

And is is this aligned with like the the social media problems like people wanting to look a certain way?

Yeah. I was speaking to a friend the other day, actually yesterday, and he was telling me he works at this um indoor driving range in Derby and he's around younger people that kind of speak to him about different things. one of

the conversations about Snapchat.

There's a guy there who's been on Snapchat must be eight years. And I

don't know how Snapchat works, but they know it kind of creates a what is it? Um

how many videos you send and pictures you send? It creates a streak.

you send? It creates a streak.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And he sent two million videos or pictures in eight years.

If you divide that down, it was something like 300 pitch a day.

How old was it?

He was um early 20s.

I'll give you a frightening statistic.

So I did this in a workshop in a school the other day and I said on average who sorry on average what is the most amount of time in this classroom that we think that

you're spending on social media? And we

came up with between them on average it was 6 hours a day. Yeah.

They were spending on social media.

worked it out. That means that they were spending 90 days of the year on social media over their lifetime. So they were 15 years old. Yeah.

Before they passed away on average, let's say 85, that's 70 years. They were

going to spend 17 years of their life on social media.

17 years.

That's insane. Wow. And I just said to him, if that doesn't frighten you to spend less time on your phone, more time outside with your friends, with your family, in the gym, outdoors, then I don't know what will.

Whoa. And they weren't even 17 yet. This

was the scary thing.

It all goes into core values, doesn't it? And what what that is for you. And

it? And what what that is for you. And

at the minute, mine's to be a better role model. Yeah.

role model. Yeah.

So, it's to encourage my son and other younger individuals to get outside more and do these things. Because another

thing that this chat was talking to me about yesterday was step count. this 17 year old girl. She's

step count. this 17 year old girl. She's

um like on the verge of being a professional golfer, so she's a fit young lady. She's into sports, but if

young lady. She's into sports, but if she's not going to play golf or training for golf, she's probably in her bed on her phone. Long story short, she'd been

her phone. Long story short, she'd been up at that point, I think it was like 6:00 in the afternoon, and she'd been awake from, let's say, 9:00 a.m. as a

weekend, and she'd done 600 steps.

600.

Wow. Wow. And the phone's in her hand all the time.

Yeah.

So, it's not as if she's like walking about leaving her phone on her bed. The

phone's like attached to her side every single minute of the day.

Yeah. Well, Zuckerberg's in trial on trial at the minute cuz you've been actively seeing to making social media more addicted, which is a given. Like, we all know that anyway, don't we? But but in a child's

brain, if you're trying to get that if you're getting them addicted to things from a young age, it's got to be um it's got to be justice has got to be

served somewhere. There's got to be laws

served somewhere. There's got to be laws in place, hasn't there? Like I I believe that social media, Snapchat, Instagram, any kind of accounts that's that's like that should be

16 at least 16 plus because the brain's developing and like you said there, if they're spending that much time on it, what are they missing out on?

Life.

Yeah.

Cuz looking at everybody else's, which is communication, ability to articulate yourself, ability to have conversations.

They can't communicate. That's the

thing. They don't they don't know how to have a conversation or very few of them do from my experience of working in schools.

Sure.

They don't know how to articulate what they want to say or respond to questions.

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So going back to Jamie Big.

Yeah.

I know you've spoken very openly on socials about ADHD.

Yeah.

Is that something they had a recent diagnosis of?

Yeah. And I came about because essentially bodybuilding was perfect for ADHD. Like a lot of bodybuilders have

ADHD. Like a lot of bodybuilders have autistic or ADHD traits and the routine and structure that bodybuilding provides and just just training in general as well. It doesn't have to be like

well. It doesn't have to be like bodybuilding essentially for me means competing, but bodybuilding as well means like training on a broad level, doesn't it?

You have a routine, you have a structure, you have a diet, you have um a training routine to follow when you're in the gym. And that doing of that every single day um takes away a lot of the

thought process of the brain. like the

focus I had on my bodybuilding career and the next competition or getting bigger or growing the arms or trying to grow the calves which never happened. My

brain capacity was always taken up and channeled into something positive for me and something I was very focused on like ADHD. One of the things I've realized

ADHD. One of the things I've realized since bodybuilding is I'm super hyperfocused on new hobbies, finding something to fill that void. So whether

it's cycling or golf or um country concerts, I need to be focused on something. And

the ADHD became very apparent when bodybuilding wasn't there. When I had to essentially train to look a certain way for a TV

show, but without the the same level of need and requirement to train, because training was work. So then training still had to be work for the TV show, but I needed to enjoy it as well because

the stakes were no longer as high. Money

wasn't on the line. I was happy with my image on camera. So the same passion for training kind of went. Um, so yeah, my my brain is busy when I talk as you

could probably tell. The ADHD diagnosis was important for me because of the realization that I was a bit all over the place and not as productive as I was in the past and feeling like I'd be

missing out on opportunities, missing out on on income and the way I ran my business was probably a bit disjointed all over the place and just thinking I could probably clean that mind up and be

more focused if I get diagnosed, have the awareness and maybe medicated. The

other thing is my son is 16. and he's

gone through his whole life with me knowing that there's a thing there with him having ADHD or or potentially autism as well because I just understand my son and the way he

is and he's had problems in school.

He ended up in alternative provision school at uh year eight or year nine, right?

Because all through his like schooling life, right, from nursery, he was the kid that bit his classmate, right? or he was the kid that um threw a

right? or he was the kid that um threw a wobbly in the class or nicked a piece of Lego and was a bit of a bogger but because of his like brain and the way it

works wi-i with him he doesn't understand like what no means sometimes so if someone laughs like if he's like play fighting with me like he was with one of his work colleagues and he was um

showing them his MMA leg kicks the guy says oh that's really good oie nice one mate um stop. Well, the fact that he's like kind of laughing thinks, "Oh, yeah, this is good. I'll do it

again." And on the fifth attempt where

again." And on the fifth attempt where he's like now in pain and now he's had to report it to his boss because he's not had the capacity to like actually process that this guy wants him to stop.

Um, I've realized that the the thing that he's got, the ADHD that he's got to to what level it is, he needs his diagnosis. So, me getting my diagnosis

diagnosis. So, me getting my diagnosis was to create more awareness for for me to help him.

Yeah.

We fasttracked him now. He's going

through the right to choose. But there's

been a lot of situations along the way where if I look back, I thought I could have probably been a better parent and I probably could have prioritized his needs more instead of doing this thing that we all do in life, I think,

sometimes, pretending everything's okay.

And essentially my diagnosis was to um notify and give the community of people that have ADHD and autism a sense of normality

because I think it's easy easy to judge and people judge people with labels, but there are people with definite needs.

And there's a part in this book that I'm reading about ADHD that says you're not um something like you're not

you're not different. Um like if you meet everyone who's got autism or ADHD, I need to articulate it's better than that to be fair.

Um if you meet one person with autism or ADHD, you've met one person with autism or ADHD because everybody's needs are different. Everybody's got a different

different. Everybody's got a different set of circumstances and things they need to live by. So my diagnosis was born from really wanting to learn more about the subject as a whole, learn more

about me, and definitely help my son more as well, be a better parent.

And have you found that since you had your diagnosis, things have improved?

Definitely. I think what it's made me do as well is it's made me realize that in life, and this will be for for for many people that have gone down the medication route, it's made me realize the medication isn't the fix. It's not

the be all and end all. What it really comes back to for me is the importance of a routine.

Is the importance of working out what makes you tick and what makes you as productive as possible. Well, for me, I'm terrible at organization like you learned today cuz I thought I was going to Leicester and not Barnsley and I was

going to pick my son up on the way through to Liverpool. Now I've got to go back and forwards again. That's me. My

bad organization. That's cuz my brain's all over the place a lot of the time. So

for me, what I need to do is be better in this instance at planning, but plan my weeks out, plan my days out, um plan my calls in my diary in advance. Nothing

can be last minute because if things last minute, it's just a a [ __ ] show.

And how does I know you said the medication is not the fix, but how does the medication actually work? What does

it do to the to the brain? Like what's

the reason why you would take that? So,

I didn't realize this at the start of obviously the journey and stuff like, but I always wondered why coffee made me feel tired sometimes. I know all the time. Sometimes I' I'd have a coffee to

time. Sometimes I' I'd have a coffee to to pick me up and I'd like feel naked. I

want to go to sleep and I start yawning.

I I've just had a flipping coffee.

What's going on? But someone with ADHD typically find stimulants as a calming effect. M

effect. M so a lot of the medications are like amphetamine based like speed and they're designed to slow the brain down so you can think more clearly. Um a

lot of the times I have a foggy brain and struggle to articulate myself as well. But the medication is again just

well. But the medication is again just that clears that brain down.

Interesting. I had a friend who uh he said that he had severe ADHD.

Yeah.

And he used to have a drug uh problem.

Yeah.

But he said he used to take cocaine and it would calm him down.

Yeah. Yeah. And like obviously based on what you've said, you can understand why that might be for sure as most people take care of.

Yeah. I mean I wouldn't know. Um but

yeah, I've heard that story as well and and I think it's it's bizarre, isn't it?

You'd think that it would send you the other way, but it doesn't cuz and and again, as a parent growing up when I had less knowledge of ADHD and autism and

these things, I was very very against medication for my son. And that was a lot of the reason why I never pushed to get him diagnosed because I was like, "My son's not taking medication. Doesn't

need it." I was in denial that that would help him because I didn't understand it. So again, if I can

understand it. So again, if I can understand it more and help with him with my level of influence, just shine a light on it for other people to try and like learn and and maybe get their own

diagnosis because again, it opens up a conversation, doesn't it? M and through me being honest, I've had so many people like feedback there like thanks really

for for for creating the awareness that I have.

Um I think that's why the content's great and also very important. Yeah. And

I saw some of the comments, you know, a lot of people saying very similar things to what you just said.

Yeah.

You know, raising that awareness but being relatable at the same time.

Yeah, for sure.

So, I think that content is great and definitely keep doing it. Again, it's

real life. And I'm gonna like kick myself when I go and read the quote from this book that I can't remember because it's remember the book called Unmasked.

Unmasked.

It's unmasked by Ellie Middleton. It's

unmasked by Ellie Middleton. Is it's

actually a great book and I'm going through it right right now. But um the awareness part for me is is the key so I can like help other people. And then the

the other thing that I wanted to say is making everyone feel like it's not abnormal. Normalizing it because it is

abnormal. Normalizing it because it is normal. Um essentially people are scared

normal. Um essentially people are scared to talk about it. Like they're scared to talk about the the issues they have with their feet or um anything that's polarizing. They just want to keep that

polarizing. They just want to keep that in internalize it. But

it's like common now, common place. And

I think just the ability to be yourself and own that thing that you have is what I'm trying to help people with. Like

step into who you are.

Stop using it as almost like seeing that as a disability. It's a ability part of you. It's part of that what makes you

you. It's part of that what makes you unique. Everyone's different in this

unique. Everyone's different in this life. Like step into you

life. Like step into you and just find a way to harness it and make it make it positive.

My way of making it positive is obviously the ability that I now have try and help other people with it as well.

Is this the right quote? We're not

damaged. We are disabled. We're not

broken. We're different. We're not bad people. We're just mis misunderstood.

people. We're just mis misunderstood.

Yes. And it goes back to what I was just saying about people being normal.

They're just a different version of normal because we're all different. And I think sometimes it's scary to be different, isn't it? That's why we talk about

isn't it? That's why we talk about social media. People trying to conform

social media. People trying to conform to a certain look or certain opinion.

My life's always been about having my opinions and strong opinions, but also opinions that I think are fair and still stick by my core values and being a good

person. So, not having

person. So, not having stupid opinions or false opinions, um, not being true to myself. Like the

people on social media now, they don't, like we said, they don't believe what they're portraying. They don't believe

they're portraying. They don't believe in their shock culture. They don't

believe that women are the basement of the earth and should have no responsibil no responsibility and no value in life apart from cooking and cleaning for the man and being a servant. They don't

believe that. And that was true on that documentary because when Luru um I can't remember his name, the guy in New York with the apartment that he just turned into a podcast studio and he believed in oneway monogamy.

Yeah.

And his MS was stood there with a dog.

And as soon as Louis Fu started like laying into him a little bit, he was very very quick to say, "Well, you know, my opinions might change."

Yeah, hang on a minute. If your opinions are so strong and then you say just because you're Mrs. My opinions might change. Clearly, there's an element of

change. Clearly, there's an element of respecting that woman that's next to you and being scared.

It was also how his um his wording changed when he Louis asked him the same question in front of his partner. Yeah.

And then when his partner weren't there and his response was totally different.

Yeah.

Cuz now he's in that character.

His character at that point is to be that idiot that he's trying to portray.

His character when he's with his misses is trying to bridge that gap in it. It's

like um skirting around it without being too offensive to the person he actually cares about.

But I surely to God though, you'd rather be known for somebody that's a kind, decent human being.

Yeah. and not make a lot of money for sure.

Than somebody that's known as a bell end and make loads of money.

There's plenty of ways to make money in this world, isn't there?

Yeah.

Plenty of ways. Um but that is a world we live in and and it's like there's another part of that documentary where um one of the guys, again, not going to like give him the the the

um benefit of satisfaction of being mentioned, but when he went back to the house in Spain and his mom was there.

Oh yeah. And obviously his mom had some very strong opinions. Yeah. And I was like, you're not going to act like that around your mom. It's a bit It's all an act, isn't it? And um the thing I can't really get over still. I'm trying still

trying to process why is most of these men were brought up by women like absent father households with women. So

surely if they were brought up by the women, they'd respect women more.

But they go the other way, don't they?

Yeah. You thought it would be the case if they' just been brought up by a man alone.

Yeah.

Not by a woman.

I know. Yeah. It's weird, isn't it? Take

out on the women because of the absent father. Yeah.

father. Yeah.

Why Why don't you take out on the men?

Yeah.

Why are you trying to be a better man?

Yeah.

Weird.

The thing that's I found frustrating is that since then, he's been given so much air time.

Yeah.

I was on with Pierce Marvin the other day.

Really?

Yeah.

I really dislike him.

Yeah. And and that is that is the the the part of the society and media that makes me feel uncomfortable is as well.

It's they know it's gonna get views. So

someone like Piers Morgan is going to get somebody like that on there for his own benefit.

I mean, I know he's probably thinking, I can rip this guy apart and he wants to be the guy that does it, but yeah, just cancel him off everything. Let him disappear into the

everything. Let him disappear into the dust somewhere, literally.

Yeah. How did um how did you come about getting on the Gladiators? That's the

the show that you're currently on, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. So 2022 competitive bodybuilder 37 years old again all the realizations of I can't do this forever used to watch Gladiators as a kid

obviously massive show in my childhood um I used to love people like Jet obviously and Hunter and Shadow and all the like the famous ones from back in the day um essentially it came back on

TV and they they advertised on social media that it was coming back and the application form to become a gladiator was like um a link press press here. So I pushed it, filled

out the application. Um had some like extensive physical triyouts. I had to climb ropes and do box jump burpees and all signs of other things that obviously a bodybuilder I'm just used to like

pushing things up and down and backwards and forwards and training the old biceps, not all this functional stuff.

And I think at that time I was still like 290 pound.

Wow.

So I was still 25 30 pound like about 260.

Wow. So still 30 pound heavier than I'm now but perhaps 30 40 pounds lower than my offseason weight as a bodybuilder. Um

and I got through all these tests essentially there's loads of like characteristics that you need to fit loads of boxes you need to tick physically fit strong and whatever character they're looking for you to kind of fill the boots of as well. So

essentially giant is one of the I would say traditional gladiators you know like a hunter or a warrior from back in the day. Um, and there's probably me and one

day. Um, and there's probably me and one or two others that probably fit that box on the new series. And then the others are made up of, I would say, more athletic and functional background type

physiques and and people, but I'd passed everything. There's a

funny story on the application to be fair cuz I'd applied. I'd not heard anything back for a few months. I was

like, I think I'm the perfect glider.

Like, why aren't they rang me back? So,

I found an email in my inbox from the production company to uh a guy that works there quite high up. I won't name his name just in case I can't. And

emailed him and said, "Mate, I think I'm a perfect gladiator. I've not heard anything back. Um, could you have a look

anything back. Um, could you have a look for me?" And he was like, "Oh, check it

for me?" And he was like, "Oh, check it out in the morning." Anyway, cuz I'd put a date on there in May where I was going on holiday. They' red crossed me and

on holiday. They' red crossed me and threw me in the bin. I get me out of the bin. I won't go on the holiday. So, the

bin. I won't go on the holiday. So, the

rest is history. I got on the show.

Yeah. But if I didn't reach out, if you don't have the uh foresight of doing that and then try and and backing yourself because some people just would have gone, I've not heard back means I'm not good enough. Just have some

self-belief and self-confidence yourself which came from the bodybuilding days. I

took action and I'm here now. So could

have been different.

Yeah, I love that. What was when you're shooting for the show? What's a

difficult week in the life for the Gladiator?

when you're shooting for the show, it's um it's busy. Like they record that show in we're there for four weeks in Sheffield

and it's a it's a long day. They have to record each episode in one day, but I would I would just say it's um as a bodybuilder, I can handle my own nutrition. So, I'm just like there as a

nutrition. So, I'm just like there as a as a as a normal working day, taking my meals with me, relaxing, but also getting psyched up for these events as

well because the the big thing is now for me is I'm an athlete still, but I'm also an entertainer. You know, I want to portray my character in a way that's entertaining for the for the crowd, for

the TV, for the kids, be be a role model, you know, interact with the fans and stuff like that. But um it is a it's a time period of uh four weeks and after

that four weeks you need a break.

I want ask you about your firefighting days.

Yeah.

What's one story in your firefighting days?

Yeah.

That is the most prevalent memory.

Prevalent memory.

There's probably two to be fair and they're not what you'd expect but they might be at the same time. So

when I was a fireman, so I joined in 2009 and I was there till 2016 and throughout that journey I'd just

become more of a bodybuilder. So each

year I'd take it more and more seriously. I I started competing as as

seriously. I I started competing as as um when I when I started um the fire service. So I think every single year

service. So I think every single year I'd competed apart from 2013 and 14 because that's when I got in the

relationship with my exartner and just took some time off bodybuilding competing because I focused on other things. I focus on getting bigger to be

things. I focus on getting bigger to be fair. But um

fair. But um there was a progressive way of me just like going down this bodybuilding rabbit hole. So I'd always have a meal bag with

hole. So I'd always have a meal bag with me. I'd actually take on a night shift

me. I'd actually take on a night shift to hold because in there I'd have all my food. I'd have pans and pots and stuff

food. I'd have pans and pots and stuff that I needed for my cooking. Um, and

then I'd have training gear because what I'd do is I' I'd take the um exercise bike from the room upstairs, wheel it out the gym into the lift downstairs into the room I slept in because on

night got to sleep as a firefighter. So,

I'd roll my little bed out, get in bed for should be 12, about 10:00, go to sleep, wake up at 6:00 before everyone else cuz the shift finished at 8:00, get this, get on this [ __ ] bike that I'd

wheel down the night before, do my cardio, make my breakfast, and then see everyone else up at 7:00. Um, so that's how serious I took it. So, the memories

are I was on a night shift, woke up 3:00 in the morning, went to um this house fire, kitchen fire. Kitchen was black like it's it's ruined, but I'm starving.

So, I'm like, I'm going to have a look in the cupboards and the cupboards are fine. There's a

jar of peanut butter. I got a jar of peanut butter. I started [ __ ] yamming

peanut butter. I started [ __ ] yamming it when everyone else is like cleaning up. Sorry, lads. I've got to get me

up. Sorry, lads. I've got to get me calories in. So, that was one moment.

calories in. So, that was one moment.

Then the other moment is we was going to another house fire and I was in the BA position on the so when you wear the breathing apparatus you sit on the outside of the truck. So I I was eating me dinner when we got the call. So I've

got me chicken and rice. I've took it on the truck with me and I'm literally trying to yam it as fast as I can before this call and we get so close. You can

see the fire coming out the window. The

smoke's like blaring up. Everyone's

saying you need to get your mask on. Get

ready. Get ready. Get ready. So I'm like I need to finish my meal. Someone could

be dying, but I'm thinking I need to finish my meal. And that vision of me putting that mask on, still chewing, and trying to swallow when it's like when

I've actually sealed my mask, you it's it's hard to swallow because it kind of like like a vacuum. So, I'm like struggling to swallow this flipping chicken in me mouth with this mask on.

That vision is mad just thinking about it. But it also says to me, not I wasn't

it. But it also says to me, not I wasn't prepared to let someone die for bodybuilding, but that's how serious I took it at the time. That for me doing a

job like that, even bodybuilding and my own goals were more important. And when

I look back like that, I think, ah [ __ ] yeah, bodybuilding to that level really is a selfish endeavor if you want to be the best. But you could say that about

the best. But you could say that about anything, couldn't you? business and um every single sport whether it's snooker, cricket, golf, crossfit to to get to the

highest level, it's about sacrifice.

Absolutely. Absolutely. What is the feeling that you get running into a fighter?

Yeah.

When everybody's running out.

Scary.

It's very scary. And that's probably I think it's a false economy to think that firefighters fight fires all the time.

Because a lot of places like the place I was at, Ilkiston, very quiet area, Darbisha, you're in the center of London probably busy like putting our fires a lot. Essentially, I was more of like a

lot. Essentially, I was more of like a rural patch. So, house fires were the

rural patch. So, house fires were the smallest percentage of what we did. But

I remember one time going into this flat fire, you're going in pairs, so you got a number one who's in front of you and I was a number two kind of like carrying the hose at the back. Number one's on control of the hose. You can't see

anything. It's black, pitch black. And

anything. It's black, pitch black. And

and obviously London's burning gives you that impression that when you in a fire you can like look around and see what's going on. Oh, they're over there. So,

going on. Oh, they're over there. So,

I'll spray some water and go and fetch them. It's pitch black. It's like you

them. It's pitch black. It's like you got a blindfold and you can't see nothing. All you can hear is the fire

nothing. All you can hear is the fire and the heat rising because the fire is growing and getting hotter. And what

it's doing is while whilst you're in in that room, the fire is sucking up the oxygen. It's getting blacker, the

oxygen. It's getting blacker, the smoke's getting thicker, so you can't see anything. and you're trying to mind

see anything. and you're trying to mind map and feel away round this flat and clear rooms because let's say this room was on fire. I'd come in the door, you'd

um you'd stay low, you'd spray the gas layer to cool it down. If you pay if you put too much water into the fire, you're going to cook yourself. It's going to create too much steam. So, it's a lot of

training involved obviously to wrap with a fire in a different way.

Clear a room, try and remember the way out.

go into the hallway, clear that, go into the next room. And obviously, the deeper the building, the more you've got to remember, and you can get very, very disorientated if you don't work as a

team. If one of you panics and you turn

team. If one of you panics and you turn around the wrong way or you get split up and you're trying to search for him, you're [ __ ] So, there's so many things to think about. And I remember in this

picture of house fire, it went from a certain temperature right up to like it doubled in a matter of seconds where the back of my hairs felt like

they were on fire. And um one of the windows exploded and I just this massive crash and I said to my mate, I says, "Let's get [ __ ] out."

And then we was running down the stairs like getting out like safety first. Um,

so yeah, I would just say very scary and everybody that still does that job, absolutely commendable. Just like all

absolutely commendable. Just like all the emergency services, if there was a way I could help public services get more money, I

would do it. And and that's what that's what drives me insane that public sector they're probably giving one of the most valuable jobs or you know valuable

assets to society and they're just not rewarded for it.

Yeah, I agree.

So, how old were you when you started the Gladiators?

37.

I'm trying to think of a I ask this question every episode.

Yeah. Yeah.

Go back to a point in time in your life when it was either a significant life event, a traumatic event, or something serious happened.

Yeah.

And I ask you if you could go back to that age person, what would you say to them?

But I'm trying to think of the conversation that we've had. Yeah.

At what point in your life was probably the biggest turning point or the biggest life lesson? Um, but correct me if I'm

life lesson? Um, but correct me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't say that going on

wrong. I wouldn't say that going on Gladiators was a big was a big thing, but wasn't wasn't the big like the defining moment in your life. No.

What at what age would you say was the most defining point in your life when you know had you had an epiphany or you had a moment or something happened?

Yeah. The one I always remember and I think the one that's made me the way I'm today was um 2015 and it's when I won the British finals in bodybuilding

because that was the first time up until that point and at 2015 I was um 30 years old.

So at 30 that was the only time in my life that I kind of had the self-belief that I could be a professional bodybuilder. Up until that point, I'd

bodybuilder. Up until that point, I'd had so many people that said, "No, you're too tall. You're just not right, not good enough, the wrong shape. You're

never going to do it." Up until that point, I didn't believe that I could either because those knockbacks, although I was like on the face of it positive and still moving forwards, I was like, "Yeah, I've just got to try and make Hey, While the Sunshines and

see if I can get sponsor and this and that." 2015 winning the British finals

that." 2015 winning the British finals was like a no, you can do this. And

essentially from there on I [ __ ] went all in on bodybuilding and developed this physique and persona and identity online that has essentially got me to

that next step which was gladiators. Um

there's loads of bits in betweens about realization about who I want to be and want wanting to be a better father, improving like the human being that I feel like I am and improving my values.

But that moment sticks out and I'm just shocked. It was at 30 years old.

shocked. It was at 30 years old.

So if you could go back to 30-year-old Jimmy, you've just won the British final.

Yeah.

What would you say to him?

I'd say why don't you start sooner.

like you know what I I would say you're gonna inspire a lot of people just keep doing what you're doing and just be yourself because I think that's

the best quality in life and and I do feel as though throughout my adult life from that point there's a large part of it that I've just been myself

and I feel like that authenticity with that you can sleep well at And I think there's not a lot of that in the world right now. I think there's a lot of smoke and mirrors and people trying to step over each other. Like I'm

a massive believer and I know you are too and I know we both know um guy called Greg. Massive massive believer in

called Greg. Massive massive believer in just helping each other win.

Yeah.

Like if you can help each other win, you'll win and you can feel good doing it as well.

Absolutely. I'm never one to try and keep cards close to my chest because I think someone's gonna have the upper hand on me or someone's gonna take that job I've got. Nah, there's enough food on the table here for everyone. If we

can all help each other win and do it being good people again, we're going to be able to sleep well at night.

Yeah, absolutely, man. I love that.

What is the biggest misconception that people have about you?

probably based on the the capacity or the the vision of tall, muscular, less let's say like obviously more muscular back in the day but still I

think I have the same persona tattoos me thick like this guy's um just a physique but I'm not you know I'm essentially

everyone's more than a physique but I don't fit that stereotype and I think that's the biggest thing um about me that I would say to that question. Also,

I've had this a lot and I I I think you could probably relate as well because you talk about the hair and people thinking, "Oh, because you love yourself." I think people would look at

yourself." I think people would look at me in the past and and say, "Oh, he loves himself." He

does. And develop an opinion based on the way I look like he's an idiot. And I

just think that's mad, isn't it?

The level of judgment. M. So it's I I've had people say, "Oh, you love yourself."

Like someone's got to.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But

but if you don't love yourself, then but it's not about the vanity metric. Like

for me, loving myself is taking pride in the person that I am. Yeah.

Is looking after my my physical health.

Yeah.

It's turning up like I take pride in how I look.

Yeah.

Because that's just the person that I am.

If I turn up looking my best and I'm confident Yeah.

and I show up as the person that I want to be. If I turned up to this podcast,

to be. If I turned up to this podcast, I'd not had my haircut. I'd not had a shave. I wore some shitty clothes,

shave. I wore some shitty clothes, the podcast would have been nowhere near as good because I wouldn't have felt myself. I wouldn't have felt as

myself. I wouldn't have felt as confident.

And it's the same with any anything in life. Like, if I show up looking my

life. Like, if I show up looking my best, then I'm going to feel my best and I'm going to perform my best.

Yeah.

I just think when someone says that someone else loves themselves, it's from an insecure place.

Oh, yeah.

From a place where they don't essentially love themselves. they're not

the person they want to be. They think

they can be better. Whether that's

physically or whether that's visually, but you taking care of yourself and like in your own words, loving yourself, if that's what that means to you.

Well, absolutely. Yeah, I do. Of course

I do.

But most time anybody gives anybody [ __ ] comes from a place of insecurity.

Yeah, it does. And that's what when I was

it does. And that's what when I was getting [ __ ] online the other day for that video. I said just replied saying,

that video. I said just replied saying, "You're projecting your own insecurities onto me."

onto me." Yeah.

Like if your life's that bad, just drop me a message. I'm here to listen.

It's mad, isn't it?

Yeah. Someone put um someone inbox me. I

put a reel on to say fitter at 40 than I was at 30. And then I put it with a picture of me like with with abs. Um

and someone they said something like that's so vain and not everybody's vision of being fitter is because

they've got a six-pack.

You're completely missing the message, mate. The first picture is a carousel.

mate. The first picture is a carousel.

Actually, the first picture I replied on on by DM. Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't get a reply back cuz I think you made your point. Yeah.

Yeah. Made made my point.

Yeah.

In a nice way. Um but the picture of Carousel was me at 30ish as a bodybuilder when I looked like Marv from the um Home Alone.

I remember with the with the air. Yeah.

So that was me at 30ish.

Rough. Felt terrible. I remember how terrible I felt at the time. I was in prep and that picture at 40, I remember how good I felt. That was um

two months ago in David Lloyd's I just felt like I had a great balance in my physique of muscle and and um like how lean I was. But not just the the visual

aspect of it, like you said, because you feel like you look good, you feel good mentally. I remember at that time as

mentally. I remember at that time as well, I'm I'm physically well, I'm still obviously the same. It's only a few months ago, but physical fitness is better, health is better. I had a blood

test at that time. All my health markers in are a great place. Um, I've got a great relationship with my son and life's good and business is good. So,

I'm not fit means something different to everyone.

Fit for me doesn't mean I've got a six-pack.

Fit for me means I feel great about every single thing. And and that Yeah.

That's part of that pie, isn't it?

Yeah. The six-pack is just a byproduct.

Yeah.

And the physique is the byproduct.

Yeah.

And it's the same for me at the minute.

I'm I'm doing a lot of running at the minute, but I'm kind of eating not eating what I want. I'm still eating well. I'm always trying to hit, you

well. I'm always trying to hit, you know, my protein and whatnot, but like I compare myself to the physique I had just before my wedding. Yeah.

I was so strict.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because I want to look the best I ever did, but like I was just felt angry for two weeks.

Yeah. But now like I'm I don't look as good then. But for me the input and the

good then. But for me the input and the outcome.

Yeah.

I've just got a perfect level.

Yeah.

Like you said like everything in my life now has never been better.

Yeah.

Um and I look I like the way that I look in comparison to the amount of input that I'm putting in.

Yeah. Amazing.

And now I'm I'm not restricting the foods that I'm eating. Like I'm still eating clean cuz I want to feel good. I

want to be healthy. But if I want to eat a certain food, I'm not going to stop and not do it because I think, oh, if I eat that, then I'm not going to I'm going to add a.5% of body fat or something.

Mad. Do

you know what I mean?

Again, it's that balance, isn't it? And

I think the balance of life is always a ever forever changing thing.

You got to balance it on the way you want to look and feel at that time and what's important to you.

Yeah.

Um the physique is a byproduct of that balance.

Absolutely. And you got to kind of process, okay, if my balance is tilt more this way, not going to be as lean, but that's okay because this is who I want to be right now. I want to be more present with my misses and I want to be

able to go out with her or enjoy times with my social circle or be a better father. Um, and then you just got times

father. Um, and then you just got times where you want to dial it in. And it's

just the ability to have that foresight and knowledge, but acceptance of that and live your life on those terms to enjoy those different elements of it and be able to tweak that balance and not be upset, I think is an amazing thing.

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What's one thing that scares you?

Um, I I'll be dead honest, mate. Um,

because I'm honest.

Finances, like being being broke, not being able to support myself and my family.

That's uh that's really scary. That

drives me just from a just from I think an aspect of I didn't grow up from much money. Grew up on a council estate.

money. Grew up on a council estate.

Didn't have a rough upbringing by any means. like milk upbringing was was was

means. like milk upbringing was was was fine in terms of like mom wanted to me to have everything I ever wanted. Um I

think it's my brother that got my handme-down clothes, not the other way around cuz I was the oldest. Um but

yeah, I I think I I brought up in a household where there was always arguments about money. Finance was

always an issue. So I wanted to make that not an issue in my life and I I want my kids to be able to rely on me for support. I want to be when when we

for support. I want to be when when we talk about like that manosphere documentary as well. I do believe that it's it makes me feel good to be able to be a provider, but that's just because I

have traditional values. That's how I've been brought up.

Um I do definitely believe that when you're in a relationship with a woman or or whoever, it's definitely a partnership and you both add into that.

But you decide as a couple how that works. And I believe in a world of I

works. And I believe in a world of I would love my partner to add into it, but I would still like to be the man of the house. And I don't want that man of

the house. And I don't want that man of the house saying to mean anything else, but I take pride in being able to look after the people I care about.

I love that, man.

What do you want to be remembered for?

I think I think honesty and integrity. I

think being a role model because what a role model means to me is being yourself and again like we said before being a good person.

If people can remember me as friendly giant, good person, solid man, funny, there for his family and people he cared about, you could always ask him a

question and he he'd try and help you out. That's it.

out. That's it.