Is Fascism Back?

- I keep hearing this word: "fascism."

- Fascism. - Fascism.

- Fascism.

- Fascist. - He's a fascist.

- Fascist. - Fascism.

- And I have a confession to make, which is, I don't totally understand it.

I feel kind of naive.

When I think of fascism, I think of World War II.

I think of the Nazi regime committing some of the most horrendous atrocities in human history.

And I think of their ally, Italy.

But "fascist" has also become this generic insult that people use in politics.

- A weird kind of arbitrary fascism.

- This is what fascist leaders do.

- She's a Marxist, communist, fascist.

- Reject Donald Trump's fascism!

- They're the ones acting like actual fascists.

- Look up the definition of "fascism."

- But it's also used as an insult in things that have nothing to do with politics.

- This guy's being a total fascist.

- Free expression.

Not fascist moves.

- What kind of a fascist hash foundry are you running here?

- But lately, I'm hearing the word used more seriously.

- Fascism.

- Experts, historians, scholars, some of them are warning that we are seeing the rise of fascism again.

Are we?

(book pages flicking) This took us deeper than expected, deeper than I can remember going on a video in a long time, into books and documents and speeches, deep into the research and scholarship on fascism and its history.

And we got to talk to a whole range of top experts on fascism.

People who know a lot about this but don't actually agree with each other on everything.

- I'm a historian of fascism, populism, and dictatorships.

- The question is, is fascism real and abroad in the world?

- It's very important not to abuse the concept.

- To be a fully-fledged fascist, you need a vision of an alternative political system.

(book pages flicking) - A quick note about what I'm trying to do here.

I am not the person to give you the correct interpretation of fascism.

What I can promise you is clarity.

Clarity on the story of fascism, on the features of fascist regimes.

And my hope is that that clarity arms you with the tools you need to evaluate what's happening today for yourself.

And I hope to hear from you in the comments, to have a good-faith, respectful debate about how you interpret all of this.

But before you comment, let me show you what I've learned.

What is fascism?

How do we define it?

And how do we start to evaluate if it's happening again today?

There's a handful of countries that have had what scholars might call some kind of fascist regime over the years, but in the research we did, it has become clear that, to really understand fascism, you have to go into its source code, the root of it, how it started, how it became so successful.

So we are going to focus in on these 25 years, the years between the two big wars.

And specifically, we're going to focus on these two men.

(light thoughtful music) - Before the First World War, it's an age of extraordinary technological achievement.

You get this extraordinary explosion of transport, you know, trains and cars.

- It was a time of mind-bending new machines that were rewriting the rules of life itself faster than anyone was ready for.

It promised everything, but soon it threatened to destroy everything, too.

- In 1914, you get this horrific First World War with absolute carnage. Millions dying, millions.

New mass-produced ways of killing lots of people, like machine guns and dropping bombs, et cetera.

And trench warfare is horrendous.

(tense uneasy music) - In these four violent years, societies were ripped apart.

(light pensive music) Italy was actually on the winning side, but their allies had promised them all sorts of territorial gains that didn't actually pan out.

Italy felt cheated.

They lost hundreds of thousands of men.

It was, in their words, a "mutilated victory," a bad deal.

But not as bad of a deal as the losers got.

Especially Germany. Who lost over two million soldiers, half a million civilians, 13% of their territory, which contained 10% of their population.

Add to this the money that they borrowed to fight this war that they now had to pay back: a tremendous amount of debt.

And on top of all of this, the peace deal required them to pay back the victors for this war.

Half a trillion dollars in today's money, something that they actually just recently finished paying off.

Which led them to borrow more money.

I mean, it was terrible.

It scrambled this once very advanced, thriving economy.

Their money lost 99.9999999% of its value.

It's wheelbarrows full of cash and an economy in crisis that creates a sense of widespread anger and resentment, and humiliation among these people.

So Italy and Germany, they're both feeling cheated and angry.

And, like, a lot of Europe, they're in a sort of a fork in the road with their government.

They're figuring out what kind of society they want to have.

(tense thoughtful music) Italy still had a king, but they were also doing democracy.

They had a parliament.

Germany had parliament and voting.

Women could vote in Germany.

They had individual rights enshrined in law.

But these democracies were fragile, and increasingly they were in crisis.

So people start wondering if they need to rethink the system entirely.

- It is that sense of total breakdown which generated extraordinary enthusiasm about the possibility of a new socialist, communist world, or a new ultra-nationalist, racist world.

- One rising option in people's minds was to do what workers, soldiers, and peasants had just done in Russia.

Led by a revolutionary named Vladimir Lenin, Russians had just overthrown their government, promising a new way, communism, where land and industry would be seized from the elites and put under the control of the people, the workers, the peasants.

At least that was the idea.

This revolution would create the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union would eventually become a brutal dictatorship that would kill millions of its own people.

But that's not what this video is about.

And anyway, not yet.

For now, right after World War I, this communist revolution in Russia is looking like a desirable option to some of these reeling countries.

(ominous uneasy music) - [Roger] That inspired a lot of extremist Marxists to believe that they were on the verge of causing a revolution in their country.

- So this was one revolution on offer.

And more and more people in Italy and Germany start embracing communism.

They're going on strike.

They're occupying factories.

But communism wasn't the only revolutionary idea promising a solution to this postwar misery.

And that's where we're gonna turn to this guy: Benito Mussolini.

Mussolini will one day be Italy's fascist dictator, but not yet.

His path to power is going to have to pass through some very important steps.

And for that, we made something.

(gentle pulsing music) We're gonna use this to track the rise of Mussolini and Hitler because these steps can help teach us how fascism operates.

Before World War I, Mussolini was a rising star in Italian socialism.

He ran an Italian socialist paper.

He advocated for workers' rights.

But once World War I started, Mussolini breaks with the socialists because he thinks that Italy should join the war, and the socialists are firmly anti-war.

So they kick him out of the party.

And this is where he pivots hard.

He starts his own pro-war nationalist newspaper, all about pride and sacrifice and putting the nation above class struggle.

Italy does enter World War I, and the 32-year-old Mussolini enlists to go fight.

He gets wounded in a training exercise, and he comes home from the war even more resolved in his vision of a strong Italy.

But now with a new set of beliefs that he gained while in the trenches.

And he starts to share his beliefs.

(gentle contemplative music) He starts a club with a small group of other guys, a lot of them ex-soldiers like him, men who also feel humiliated and are looking for someone to blame.

And he tells them that Italy's problems are not only because of the war and the betrayal from their so-called allies, that "mutilated victory," but also because of what's happening inside Italy itself, where all of these "isms" are poisoning the country.

Communism and socialism were threatening to transform Italy with these worker revolutions.

And even democracy itself, or liberalism, was to blame for all of these problems. Italy's democracy had, in his words, "gone drunk with compromise."

They couldn't get anything meaningfully done because they're accommodating all these different viewpoints.

He says, Guys, this is Italy.

We're the historic home of the Roman Empire, the foundation of Western society.

And now we've been betrayed and humiliated.

But Mussolini says that he has a solution.

He says that Italy must be ruled by men who had just fought in this traumatizing industrial war.

Men who had been purified by violence and sacrifice and discipline.

In his eyes, these were a new kind of man, a new kind of elite, created not by aristocratic birth but by combat.

And now these veterans had an obligation to replace the weak, entitled elites that had been created by liberal democracy and to replace it with a, quote, "trenchocracy," the aristocracy of the trenches.

(light gentle music) So this is like our origin story here.

It's the spring of 1919 in Milan, Italy.

Not even a year after World War I has ended.

And Mussolini is rallying his club of ex-soldiers and sympathizers, telling them that violence is actually sacred.

It's a stamp of nobility.

- Fascism always involved violence and the militarization of politics.

Violence is glorified.

Violence is presented as what makes men men.

- This is about men being aggressive, violent, dominant, and strong.

And that that's a good thing.

That's the key to restoring the greatness of the nation.

Not the soft, weak intellectuals that democracy had created.

- And for his new group, Mussolini adopts this symbol.

It's a symbol that had been used way back in ancient Rome and many times over the years, including in the French Revolution.

You see this in the American Capitol building as a symbol of unity and order.

A stick by itself can be a weapon, but it's also easily broken.

But gather many sticks into a uniform bundle, or a "fascio," in Italian, and suddenly it's a lot harder to break.

Add an axe to this bundle, and you have a kind of indestructible tool of punishment.

Mussolini is telling his listeners that, under his direction of trenchocracy, Italians must become a unified bundle, a fascio.

Fascismo.

Fascism.

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So at its very root, fascism begins as a nationalist movement founded by a bunch of war veterans set on restoring Italy's greatness, and they glorify violence as the key to making this happen.

(tense thoughtful music) What should be the focus of their violence?

Well, Mussolini's former friends.

- One of the key aspects of fascism is crushing the socialists.

(tense uneasy music) - They start hunting for socialists and communists, arriving to their meetings, smashing their printing presses, beating up the leaders of these worker strikes and protests.

And more and more Italian men, many of them fellow veterans, join.

These violent squads, or squadristi, eventually get a new name, the Blackshirts, a group somewhere between a gang of street thugs and a private militia.

And soon their ranks swell to a quarter million people.

Their acts of violence escalate.

Soon, they're raiding and burning down headquarters of the socialist and communist movements.

They destroy the office of the socialist newspaper that Mussolini once had been the editor for.

They even murder socialist party members.

And the violence includes humiliation.

They would routinely kidnap their enemies and force-feed them huge amounts of laxatives, like, just brutal.

(books thudding) This is a book from while all of this is happening.

20 fascists arrive in a lorry.

They attack a club, beat the workers, and set the place on fire.

Fascists assault a funeral party.

Make their way into a cafe and seriously wound an employee by stabbing him in the chest.

A band of fascists who are armed and masked attack several citizens, including socialists, left on the ground, senseless and bleeding.

Setting fire to a socialist headquarters.

Burning banners and furniture.

Attack a socialist cooperative.

A doctor is beaten by fascists.

A socialist lawyer is beaten by fascists.

Workers are taken to the hospital having been beaten by fascists.

Strikes a 10-year-old child who is singing "The Red Flag."

You get the point.

These guys were all over the country, committing really heinous acts of violence.

- Fascists believe that violence is the source of power, and that source of power increases when violence is unleashed.

- Like, how are they getting away with all this stuff?

They don't actually control the country.

They aren't an army; they aren't the police.

They're just a bunch of angry men committing violence on behalf of this ultra-nationalist group.

So why is no one stopping them?

Like, where is the government in all of this?

(gentle pensive music) Well, that's the thing.

Italy's democratic government at the time is divided and weak.

And the people who did have power in the country were actually kind of okay with what Mussolini and his thugs were doing.

And here I'm talking about the rich people, who, like Mussolini, hate communists.

Remember? The communist revolution?

They're threatening to take away their wealth and distribute it to the workers.

These business elites are terrified.

- Some members of the ruling group saying, Should we fool around with and try and, you know, think about a fascist way to resolve these problems?

- So these land and business owners actually start funding Mussolini's Blackshirts.

Over and over, the Blackshirts are even hired to break up strikes and to beat up striking workers.

- The first mission of fascism is to crush anti-capitalist resistance from the working classes from below.

- So the rich people are letting it happen.

They're funding it.

Okay, but what about the army and the police?

Well, turns out many among their ranks are actually fascist sympathizers.

Like, Mussolini is talking to these guys.

He's appealing to these guys.

Even though his tactics of violence are quite extreme, more and more of the population is realizing they like the fascist vision of what Italy should be, including the way the fascists punish their enemies.

And then something happens that changes everything.

(lively pulsing music) Socialists and communists are gaining some traction in the parliament, and the prime minister, who's like a centrist, doesn't want to invite them into his coalition.

So he turns to Mussolini's fascists, knowing that they're kind of becoming a force that can't be ignored.

He asks them to be a part of his coalition, maybe bringing them into the official democracy, can tame them and their violent ways.

- They believe that they can control them.

Because they see them, rightly, as vulgar, as idiotic, as narcissistic, and ignorant, they believe they can control them.

- Mussolini's fascists are now an official political party that was just invited into the mainstream.

And this is the next step on this path.

The fascists have now been accepted, legitimized, first by the business elites, and now by the political system, the democracy.

Mussolini is now a politician in parliament along with 35 other fascist politicians.

But this doesn't solve anything for Italian democracy.

The new political coalition falls apart almost immediately.

Italy's government continues to be paralyzed by infighting.

And all over the country, Mussolini's fascist fighters continue to use this dysfunction as an opportunity to take their violence to the next level.

They take over entire cities, places with elected socialist leaders, occupying government buildings, chasing out the socialist city government, and imposing their own policies. Often while the police just look the other way, or even help them out in some cases.

They start marching on the big cities in Italy, like Bologna and Ferrara.

And eventually, Mussolini directs tens of thousands of his Blackshirts to march on the capital, Rome.

(tense dramatic music) (footsteps marching) Mussolini's movement, which started as a club of, like, 100 men in Milan, now, 3 1/2 years later, was a force that couldn't be ignored, gathering in huge numbers just outside the capital, preparing to march on the city, daring the country's king to use his army against them.

So the king sizes up his options.

He likely knows that a lot of the ranks of his army probably sympathize with the fascists.

So instead of standing up to Mussolini and risking a civil war, he makes a deal with him.

He invites him to become the prime minister.

(footsteps marching) He has real power now.

He's addressing the parliament.

And he claims, at first, that he, quote, "does not intend to deviate from the Constitution."

He's going to keep the democracy, he says.

But over the next four years, he dismantles the Italian democracy from within.

He says that the parliament and the entire political system are wholly unworthy to guide us.

Now, not everyone's buying this.

Like, he's not universally popular among the citizenry.

A lot of people do like him, but a lot of people don't.

But in the next election, his Blackshirts intimidate and suppress voters, which helps the fascists win a huge majority in the election.

Soon, he's censoring the press.

He's shutting down newspapers.

He's creating a secret police.

- You abolish all liberal freedoms. You get rid of all freedom of the press, freedom of speech.

- And then he abolishes all other political parties.

- You have a totally alternative system of a single-party state, charismatic leader, an alternative legal system.

- And then finally, he abolishes elections themselves.

- This is a revolutionary rebirth.

And what that means is, you destroy the democratic system.

- It's 1925, and Mussolini has done away with all democratic mechanisms that could be used to challenge him.

And he completes the last step on the fascist path to absolute power.

(tense uneasy music) As the absolute ruler, he rallies the people with slogans like "Believe, obey, fight."

We know what "fight" means.

He's been doing that since he started his combat league.

But these other ingredients, "believe" and "obey," are really important too.

Mussolini demands belief and submission not just to him but to his story.

The story that he says will, quote, make "Italy great, respected, and feared," restoring it to the glory of an imagined past, the Roman Empire.

- What you're pointing towards is not actual history.

What you're always pointing to is some kind of beautiful plastic moment.

(crowd cheering) (crowd cheering) - And Mussolini would be the singular voice for the entire nation.

And as ever, his story glorifies soldiers and the, quote, "bloody sacrifice of war," and reimagines the country as a giant military, a uniform bundle of sticks, which many Italians will become willingly.

And for those who don't, their descent will be violently snuffed out.

Everyone must get in line.

(tense uneasy music) (footsteps marching) For life is conquest, warfare. At first, directed at home against his enemies: socialists, communists, liberal democrats.

But that war must eventually be brought abroad.

He starts conquering parts of Africa, imposing his "new civilization" on others.

Okay, so we have our first answer on what fascism is.

It is a movement started by Benito Mussolini in 1919.

One that glorifies violence, specifically violence against communism and socialism.

It finds democracy itself as weak and contemptible, in need of not just reform, but total destruction and revolution.

And it tells a story of a superior nation that has been humiliated, and that needs to be restored.

A mythologized past, whose decline they blame on their enemies, and whose rebirth they promise under the rule of one charismatic, strong leader.

And crucially, they gain support from mainstream elites.

Rich people. Politicians.

That allows them to gain control of the country, after which they dismantle the democracy from within, and then demand total submission to the state.

Which allows them to mobilize huge numbers of people with a ton of propaganda and then begin a program of conquest and expansion.

Today, we call that thing fascism.

And we call it fascism, not because it has some, like, Latin root in some, like, philosophy or worldview, but because Benito Mussolini chose the fascio, the bundle of sticks with an axe on it, as his logo when he was making his combat club in 1919 in Milan.

If somebody else had done this first, we would probably call it something different today.

(dark ominous music) And in fact, these ingredients that we just talked about weren't just happening in Italy; they were happening in a lot of places in Europe after World War I, especially in the countries that lost.

Which brings us to another angry World War I vet.

This one in Germany.

Someone who was watching Mussolini very closely, admiring his rise to power, and who will one day take Mussolini's strategy to a whole new level.

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Let's get back to our story.

(light thoughtful music) Okay, enter Adolf Hitler to the story.

He's about 10 years behind Mussolini on his own path to power.

And remember what we talked about earlier: Germany is in a terrible place after World War I.

They have been crushed militarily, politically, economically, and way worse than Italy.

Germany had been one of the most advanced economies on Earth before the war, and now they're in the dumps.

And a lot of Germans are wondering, "What happened?

How do we fix this?"

And once again, one of the answers was, Maybe we need a radically new system, like communism, like they're doing over in Russia.

So lots of Germans are joining communist parties and worker councils.

They're striking, they're occupying factories, they're launching armed uprisings.

And in some places, they're even trying to overthrow the government.

But there were many Germans, especially returning humiliated war veterans, who looked the other way, feeling like they had been betrayed.

Many Germans had been hearing this narrative that their civilization, and even perhaps their race, was superior.

It was pure.

And that their art and their music and their engineering are more than just a culture, that it actually comes from their bloodline.

They've been hearing stories about Germanic people connected to ancient cultures, stories that are essentially a misreading of real science.

Notably, in the relatively new field of linguistics, where researchers were discovering that many world languages share a common ancestor, a group of languages that some 19th-century linguists were calling "Aryan," a name that came from the Indo-Iranian people, an old culture.

Iran Aryan.

And so here we are in the 19th and 20th century, and some creative Germans start to imagine that actually Aryan isn't just a group of languages.

Aryan was an actual race.

An original master race from which all great civilizations sprang.

And they start to imagine that maybe this master race actually started in where Germany is today, North and Central Europe.

And that all other cultures actually come from us.

We are the origin of all good cultures.

The pure starting point.

- The idea was that it was actually the Germans who created ancient Egypt and ancient Mesopotamia and ancient Greece, and ancient Rome.

- And so they start to see all other races as impure and some races as really impure, as we'll see.

Now, to be clear, these ideas have no basis in real evidence or science.

They pull from things like linguistics, but then make a lot of really big leaps to create a story of superiority, of racial superiority and purity.

And a link to some ancient pure culture, which some Germans start to represent with a symbol, an ancient symbol that they adopt from the East.

It's one that's appeared across many cultures.

It's a hooked cross, which they would call an ancient Aryan rune, an emblem of their mythical Aryan past, a symbol that they believed connected Germany back to a noble ancient race.

(gentle sparse music) This was intoxicating stuff for a lot of Germans, especially after the war, when soldiers came home humiliated, looking for answers, looking for an explanation on how their great economy and civilization was now on its knees.

And this fantasy of the Aryan race gave them an explanation.

It allowed them to believe that they actually didn't lose the war, that instead they had been stabbed in the back, a "Dolchstoß" in their words, a betrayal at home, a betrayal by the weak politicians in their democracy who had signed this bad peace deal, a betrayal by the communists who had sabotaged the war effort with their strikes.

And the ultimate betrayal, the ultimate group that they could blame, was the impure race that was quietly pulling the strings on all of these groups, engineering the downfall of the invented Aryan race.

So this is all happening around the same time that Mussolini is starting his combat club in Milan.

Groups similar to Mussolini's are forming in Germany.

They're fringe radical nationalist groups.

At first, they have no presence in actual politics, like in the government and the parliament.

They're just groups of angry men with an obsession on an imagined nation, a focus on their current humiliation, and an appetite to commit violence.

And one of those men was a 30-year-old World War I veteran, Adolf Hitler.

At the end of the war, Hitler joins one of these small, obscure nationalist groups.

He rises in the ranks of this little group to become the party leader.

He implements a militia.

They'd soon be named the Brownshirts, echoing Mussolini's Blackshirts, though their official name was the Sturmabteilung, the stormtroopers, named after the real German Army's elite assault unit in World War I.

Hitler also helped his little party rebrand to appeal to more people, especially workers.

- In ways that make it seem like they're anti-capitalist.

They called themselves the National Socialists.

- I never understood this until now.

The full name of Hitler's party was the National Socialist German Workers Party, which sounds super socialist.

Eventually nicknamed the Nazis.

He named it this intentionally to attract people who were interested in workers' movements, like the communists and the socialist movements that he opposed, but that he knew had wide appeal.

Though, to be very clear, these guys were not socialist in any meaningful sense.

It was just a branding play.

And soon, Hitler is overseeing a new rendition of the hooked cross, this fake Aryan symbol.

His version would mimic the colors of the old German Empire, the Second Reich, a nod to the past.

This symbol, this flag, this is Hitler's bundle of sticks, his version of restoring ancient Rome.

But now with this extremist racial superiority component.

(footsteps marching) More and more men start to join his political street gang as they go hunt down his enemies.

Hitler has just taken the first step on the fascist path to power.

(truck engine rumbling) (gentle contemplative music) And his Brownshirts look a lot like Mussolini's Blackshirts, guys with clubs, guns, and even grenades storming into communist and socialist meetings, smashing chairs, lighting stuff on fire, beating attendees.

The big difference here is that in Italy, Mussolini's group became the kind of dominant, violent nationalist group.

In Germany, there was tons of these groups that would go down, hunt down communists and socialists.

But again, with the racial component, they're also focusing on minorities, and at the top of their scapegoat list, Jewish people.

Who start to just become synonymous with the communists, the traitors who they believe brought about Germany's decline.

So you see the parallels here with what's going on in Italy, right?

Like in Italy, all of this violence and chaos shows German citizens that the Nazis are actually more powerful than the gridlocked, democratic government who can't provide order or stability for this wrecked country.

(tense uneasy music) Now remember, Mussolini is further down the path than Hitler.

And Hitler is actually reading about Mussolini's fascist squads seizing towns.

And in 1922, when Mussolini marches on Rome and pressures the king to hand Mussolini the government, Hitler reads about this, and he wants to do the same.

Hitler wants to do a Mussolini; he wants to seize the city of Munich and then march on the capital, Berlin.

So he and 600 of his Brownshirts surround this beer hall.

This is a place where politicians would come and give speeches to, like, huge groups of people.

Hitler wants this to be the starting point for his takeover of the country.

He enters the hall, pulls out a gun, and shoots the ceiling, and then he yells out that the national revolution has begun.

He claims that the government has fallen, which it hadn't.

He's trying to rally the huge group in this beer hall to join him.

And it totally fails.

By the next day, his little coup attempt has collapsed, and he, his men are arrested, and he finds himself in jail, along with a few of his co-conspirators.

Though he was in jail, he somehow still had access to newspapers and books, and a typewriter.

Meanwhile, in Italy, Mussolini is now dismantling the democracy from within, and Hitler is reading about all of this, and he resolves to not give up.

He doubles down on his goal to take over the country.

(gentle chiming music) So in jail, he spends a lot of time writing, typing up his story.

Now there's a lot of sources that say that he actually just dictated it and didn't write it, and that he wasn't a great writer, whatever.

But the most recent scholarship concludes that Hitler was writing.

He was writing his ideas on race, what had caused all of Germany's problems in the first place.

He types it all up into pages that would eventually become a book.

A book that's part autobiography, part racial manifesto, part political blueprint for another attempt at a revolution attempt: "Mein Kampf."

It's a book full of hate and conspiracy theories, and it's his story.

Much of it invented.

A simple story that he knew would appeal to the psychology of millions of desperate people looking for someone to blame for their misery.

And for that question of who was to blame for Germany's problems, Hitler's book had a very clear answer.

It all came back to communism and the Jews.

And really, Hitler concludes, the Jews, which he deems an impure race, who are using communism as a weapon to undermine and ultimately destroy the German nation.

All problems come back to this.

- The unseen enemy is the Jew who organizes the international conspiracy.

And then that story is kind of the master narrative.

- And according to Hitler, to prevent that from happening again, he says that the nation would have to be purified.

This purification would have to be based on blood — a shared race — and the reclaiming of the sacred land that gives it life.

Blood and soil.

People and race.

And finally, Hitler's book diagnoses where he, Hitler, went wrong.

It's basically the only accurate part of the book, where he assesses that in trying to take over the country in that Munich beer hall, his big mistake is that he tried to jump from here, to here. Using violence,

but without gaining that mainstream acceptance from business elites and from the democracy that Mussolini had done.

Violence alone, he now sees, wouldn't be enough to take power.

So his book outlines a strategy for how he'll do it next time, not a forced takeover, but in his words, a, quote, "determined cooperation between brute force and political aims wisely chosen."

So even though Hitler hates democracy, he now understands that he must use the democracy to rise to power, so that he can destroy it from within.

In other words, Hitler is going to have to succeed in politics.

- Fascism never cares about democracy, but is willing to use it in order to destroy it.

- He gets out of jail in late 1924, and instead of trying another coup, he spends the next few years rebuilding the Nazi Party as a legal, competitive political machine.

Remember, he needs to move from here to here, which means winning votes.

He runs his party in the 1928 election, the Germans vote, and, nope. The Nazis barely get any votes.

But he's undeterred.

He continues spreading his message of racial superiority and backstabbing by the Jews.

He'll try again in two years in the next election.

And this is when something happens that will help him out.

(tense uneasy music) (crowd yelling) 1929 just hit; financial markets around the world crash.

An economic depression sweeps around the world, and Germany, which was already not doing great, as we talked about, is hit harder than pretty much any other country.

Soon, one in three Germans are out of work.

- The fascists in Germany appealed to that suffering, basically whipping up a working class through xenophobia, through racism.

Saying to that working class, "I feel your suffering.

I see it, I'm going to relieve it, and you join me in this fascist project."

- It was a powerful rallying cry.

And indeed, the next year, 1930, there's an election, and more people turn out to vote for the Nazi Party.

They're buying into his message.

He's getting closer to this step.

And if you listen to his, like, campaign speeches during this time, it's pretty nuts.

This guy is openly stating his intention of dismantling democracy and the party system if he gets power.

Listen to this.

(crowd cheering) - He's calling for revolution, which people more and more want, but he's mixing in racial superiority and the easy scapegoat of Jews and communists.

All of this found a wider audience during the depression.

And look what happens in the next election.

The Nazi Party gets more votes than any other party, not quite a majority that would've given him control over the government.

But this is looking like acceptance, not just by the political machine, but by the people.

But wait, back to that graph.

Look who else is getting a lot of votes.

The communists.

And just like in Italy, many of the top elites in business and politics don't like the communists.

The communists promise to come for their wealth and their power and take their land.

And who's anti-communist?

Well, Hitler is nothing if not anti-communist.

So Germany's elected leaders do almost exactly what Italy's leaders did in this moment.

Even though they're a little bit leery of Hitler, they let him in fully.

They let him become the chancellor, the prime minister, basically, thinking that they could maybe use Hitler to keep the communists down while also keeping some of his crazier revolutionary ideas at bay.

Even though we're going to "form a government under the leadership of Hitler," we are going to keep "the utmost restriction" on this guy and his party, making sure that he governs, quote, "within the framework of the Constitution."

He's got some crazy ideas, but we've got him under control.

Boy, that sounds familiar.

So now it's January 1933, and Hitler is in full-blown mainstream power.

And from here things start to move fast.

(tense pulsing music) Less than a month later, somebody sets fire to Germany's parliament building, and the man found at the scene of the crime is a communist.

- He uses that to say, "We have a state of emergency."

- State of emergency, very powerful tool.

Within days, he suspends the Constitution.

- And from then on, the entire Nazi regime was based on the suspension of all liberal democratic laws and freedoms. - Freedom of expression, freedom of the press, protections from search and seizures, all suspended.

Within months, he's abolished all other political parties, something he said he was gonna do.

It's 1934, and Hitler has just followed Mussolini's strategy and achieved absolute power.

(crowd cheering) (light tense music) (crowd chanting) (crowd cheering) (footsteps marching) (crowd chanting) - And those old myths, those racial fantasies about the Aryan race, become official policy of the state.

And just like Mussolini, Hitler begins his war against the people he had been planning for years to purge from society: Communists, socialists, Roma, disabled people, homeless people, sex workers, queer people, and above all, Jews.

- What the Nazis did in their story about the Jews was that they assigned to the Jews everything that they themselves were doing: We're only responding to things which Jews have already done.

We are the victims, and all we're doing is responding.

So yeah, maybe we want to control the world, but that's because the Jews already control the world.

Maybe we use propaganda, but that's because Jewish propaganda has already totally dominated the world information space.

- By 1935, he strips any German Jew of citizenship.

Strips them of their rights.

and then, in 1938, he unleashes his armed gangs on them.

They destroy hundreds of synagogues, thousands of Jewish shops and businesses smashed and burned.

30,000 Jewish men arrested and sent to camps.

Beaten, terrorized, their property stolen.

World War II hasn't started yet.

Hitler is just crushing any group he opposes from within.

And once complete, by the late '30s, he turns his view outward.

(footsteps marching) - [News Reporter] Poland, September 1939, the German foe begins its ruthless march of conquest and sets the stage for World War II.

- [Neville Chamberlain] This country is at war with Germany.

(gentle somber music) (tank engines rumbling) (footsteps marching) - Hitler and his now-ally, Mussolini, launch wars of conquest that devastate much of Europe.

And as a part of those wars, Hitler implements a series of systematic mass murder campaigns, killing about six million Jews, millions of Poles, Slavs, Roma, and other civilians that he marks as racially impure or biologically inferior.

(wind whistles) (tank engines rumbling) (airplane engines whirring) (train rattling) (bombs booming) So it's easy to lose yourself in this story, especially at this point in the chronology.

But I want to now summarize what we can learn from the rise of these two men, these two regimes, what it tells us about what fascism is.

Both of these men ended up applying a weirdly similar approach to gaining power.

Both of them started with small groups, groups that glorified violence against political enemies.

Both of them created narratives that sold a mythologized past and blamed their enemies for the loss of that mythical past.

Both of them promised a rebirth of their superior nation under the leadership of a singular, charismatic, powerful man.

Both of them eventually got invited into the mainstream of a democratic system by positioning themselves against the forces that scare rich people: communism socialism.

And both vehemently called for the end of democracy in any form, even while they used democracy to gain power.

And once in power, both dismantled democracy from within so that no one could challenge them, creating a government and a society, and a press, run entirely by the glorified leader, which he then used to flood his people with propaganda and fear, getting them to act like a giant army that the leader could mobilize, first at home, then abroad in wars of conquest,

including an industrial-scale genocide in the case of Hitler.

Okay, now this is not the list that defines fascism.

There is no "the list."

But after being really deep in the source code of this history, this is the list that we believe summarizes the defining features of fascism.

But now the hard part, the part that's up to interpretation, that everyone watching is gonna have a slightly different read on.

What happens when we apply this list to today?

After decades of more and more countries becoming liberal democracies, meaning democracies that prioritize individual rights and try to ensure that everybody gets treated equally by the law, the world has seen a reversal.

There is a decline in liberal democracies around the world.

That's what this chart is showing.

- [News Reporter] Fresh concerns about the restriction of rights in Hungary.

- [News Reporter] Israeli lawmakers declaring only Jews hold the right to self-determination.

- [News Reporter] Judges say Poland's judicial independence is being violated.

- [News Reporter] Modi has been heavy-handed with the Indian media and voices of dissent.

- Pair that with the uptake of the visibility of communities who openly embrace the fascism of Mussolini and Hitler.

- [News Reporter] Hundreds of men in Rome making a fascist salute.

- [News Reporter] Openly praising Adolf Hitler, making celebratory jokes about gas chambers.

- [protestors chanting] Blood and soil!

- Young white men.

(audience cheering) - Taken together, you start to understand the increase in serious people sounding the alarm bell that this is maybe the return of fascism of some form.

Using it not just as the generic insult, but actually saying that we're, like, in some version of the 1930s.

They're citing modern events- - [News Reporter] Angry anti-Muslim mob tore through the town.

- [Johnny] That are concerning to them.

- Greenland should be part of the United States.

- [Johnny] That they say meet the criteria of fascism.

(door slams) - Police! Don't move!

- Hands up! - Don't move!

- [Johnny] Like the rise of militia groups, vigilantes, government death squads, violent ultranationalist groups, strongman leaders who invoke an idealized past, promising to make their nation great once more.

Massive displays of loyalty and support for the leader and the regime.

And, of course, blaming the country's problems on some kind of outsider, like radical socialists and communists.

- Foreign, Christian-hating communist Marxists and socialists.

- Immigrants. - Yes, I use the word: "invasion."

"invasion." - Fake fugitives.

Freeloaders criminals.

- Rapist illegal migrants.

- [Johnny] We're even seeing the first expansionist ground war happening on the European continent since World War II.

- [News Reporter] A full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

- Okay, so we have this list, but a lot of this stuff is in the eye of the beholder.

Like, you might see this and say, "There are definitely regimes and movements that are doing all of these things today."

Or, "I see some elements of this, but no country checks all of the boxes, like Hitler and Mussolini did."

Which either means there's no fascism, or it means that the checklist by itself has a sort of limited usefulness.

Can it be fascism unless it checks all the boxes?

Or are some of these so dire and scary that you check one or a couple of these, and that's fascism?

I asked the experts on this, and it turns out they all have slightly different answers.

And I think we can learn a lot by understanding each one.

First, Federico Finchelstein, who says that what we're seeing today isn't fully fascism, but it's close.

But that we're still missing some really key pieces.

- There is no fascism without dictatorship.

The destruction of democracy is central to fascist politics.

What the fascists did is to use democratic means to destroy democracy from within.

- Finchelstein says that in order for it to be fascism, it has to oppose not just communism, but democracy itself.

It might play by the rules of a democratic system at first, but ultimately, fascism wants to destroy democracy, destroy votes and parliaments.

And in most of the places that critics use the F-word to describe, these nationalist leaders still operate within some kind of democratic system, even if it's just in name.

- We will not forget our Constitution.

- Finchelstein's point is that until these leaders start calling for the end of voting and constitutions, their regimes remain here.

Not here.

And thus, they aren't fascist. Yet.

- I think there is a fascist risk.

They are constantly at the verge of turning democracy into dictatorship.

- And this is why Finchelstein's book is called "Wannabe Fascists," because it describes leaders who have followed some of this path of the interwar fascists that we've talked about, but they haven't gone all the way, even if they maybe want to.

Fascism, according to him, takes place only over here, when democracy ends fully.

- Fascism wanted to destroy democracy from within in order to create an extremely racist and totalitarian dictatorship.

- Meanwhile, Roger Griffin, one of the top experts in the world on fascism, also says that until democracy is totally wiped out, it's not fascism.

Where he disagrees with Finchelstein is that he thinks we should move away from this word altogether.

That the F-word is not actually useful for today's nationalist regimes.

- Because we're so obsessed with the rise of fascism, we are not looking at what is the novelty of what's happening.

What I believe you are seeing is not the rise of fascism, the return of fascism, but the rise of illiberal democracy, illiberal democracy.

- Griffin argues that democracy and fascism aren't the only two options here.

That there's a third bad thing that we can be, where we don't trip the fascism alarm fully because we still have democracies with parliaments and votes.

But leaders, instead of destroying democracy from within, they distort them.

They get rid of their liberal features.

And, by the way, quick side note, "liberal" is a kind of confusing word.

Here in the United States, we use "liberal" to describe a left-of-center political leaning that supports things like social programs, gun control, higher taxes for the wealthy.

But in this case, I mean liberal in the way that it was used in, like, the 1800s and is used by political scientists today.

Liberal like liberty, like governments that ensure individual rights and freedoms, equal protections for everyone regardless of your group under the law.

You can have a system where there are votes and a parliament and representation, but don't have the liberal features that a liberal democracy has.

And Roger Griffin says that this is the thing we should be worried about.

That calling it fascism takes our eye off the ball of this new thing, illiberal democracy, where these nationalist leaders are distorting democratic systems to consolidate power, making societies less equal while still running it like a democracy.

- What we have got are new forms of nationalism, which are contained within democracy instead of calling for the replacement of democracy.

- This was surprising to me.

When I started researching this story, I was under the impression that, like, all the experts agreed that fascism was back in some form, but they don't.

- We are not there yet.

- That is, until you talk to some other experts who say that it is fascism.

- The reason we need to use that term is behind it is a concept that helps us understand what is going on right now in the third decade of the 21st century.

We need to see that history does not repeat itself in the same conditions, in the exact same circumstances.

- This camp says that our checklists are a distraction.

That we're reading too much into the specifics of the 1930s.

- You don't need all of that in order to have fascist control and push forward with a fascist project.

- But William Robinson says that if you do want a checklist, the most important item on it is actually the this one, where ultranationalists become accepted into the mainstream by the elites, like Mussolini and Hitler were.

This step, where the people in power decide that these nationalist groups that tolerate violence are useful to them.

- That's a form of trying to re-legitimate the system.

- This view says that in order for fascism to actually succeed, it needs to bring together a specific alliance, a kind of triangulation.

First, a vulnerable, receptive population.

- [Robinson] This triangulation then brings together the fascist project with a mass social base.

But the third dimension is the ruling class.

It controls the economy.

You see, when Trump gets inaugurated for his second term, you see behind him are all of the big tech oligarchs right behind him.

The capital class in the United States have now come on board.

- And finally, you have a view that says that the most important items on this list are these.

It's the way the leader talks.

The way that they talk about the past and the future.

- What fascism does is it promises a return to an order, and the order, of course, didn't actually ever historically exist.

You're creating this sort of tabula rasa, the smooth surface on which the fascist story of "we were always innocent" can then function.

- For people like Snyder, fascism starts when politics stops being about the future and starts to become about a mythic story of a glorious past, a humiliated nation, and a leader who promises rebirth.

- If we could just somehow get the enemy off our screen, off our phone, out of our country, then there would be this harmony that would come back.

There will be love, there'll be prosperity, there'll be happiness.

There won't be conflict anymore because conflict was always brought by the outsider.

- And listen, every one of these experts has a different read.

- I don't see any major movement in the West that is trying to replace democracy with a totally different system.

- You can't say that because Hitler came to power in Germany, and then almost immediately suspended any and all democracy and just became a dictatorship overnight, that therefore any fascist project has to follow that same model.

There's not one road to fascism.

- When you use the list mechanism, you're missing a kind of the historical sensibility you need to actually recognize that thing for what it is.

And that is because what we wanna do is, like, we look for the rational core.

In my view, that has not proven to be predictive.

More predictive would be to look for the fight, the struggle, the enemy.

And to dwell on that.

- And you're seeing why the experts disagree here.

They disagree on how much we should read into the 1930s, how much the word "fascism" actually matters.

- Obviously, 21st-century fascism is not going to look like 20th-century fascism, but it's going to have that underlying essence in common with the 20th-century variant.

- There are important fascist elements here, and it would be problematic to deny that there are connections to fascism.

- But if we get too obsessed with fascism, it takes attention away from actually looking carefully at what is happening to democracy.

Illiberal democracy, whatever we call it, is in many ways more dangerous than fascism.

- Illiberal democracy, I think, is inaccurate, but because it's inaccurate, it's sort of pacifying.

If you think that it is just like, illiberal democracy, then you can say, "Oh, we'll have another election, and maybe the liberals will win next time," right?

- The question of what is a fascist cannot be answered in simple terms. - I entered this video really wanting clarity on, is today fascism or not?

Instead, what I have after this long journey are a series of patterns: Glorified violence.

Elites who think violent groups can solve their problems. The destruction of a democracy, A myth. A lie. A fake history.

A myth. A lie. A fake history.

A fake promised future.

So I guess I now know what fascism isn't.

It's not any politics that I don't like.

Instead, it's a kind of method, a kind of view on power.

Fascism instantly conjures the worst of human cruelty, how far we can fall under the right circumstances.

In that way, it's a valuable reminder, a warning.

But that same weight also makes it hard and difficult to actually be useful.

It ends conversations as often as it starts them.

Still, there are a few things I feel sure about after going through this history.

Domination violence hierarchy: those aren't the exception in human history; they're actually the norm.

For most of our existence, the way that we've organized ourselves in large groups has relied on force and fear and inequality, and we'd be foolish to think that the ugly instincts of control and submission and vengeance, that those things are just going to go away.

So when we study fascism, what we're really seeing is those old, ugly instincts coming through.

We'd be naive to think that we're beyond it, that we're too smart or too modern to fall into those same patterns of fear and control.

We're not immune.

We never have been.

This video isn't the final word on fascism.

It's just where my understanding starts.

The people I talked to for this story don't even agree.

But there is one area that most of them did agree.

Which is that we don't have to wait for it to be 1933 again to notice that something is happening.

Because the point of understanding fascism isn't to win arguments or to come up with some ultimate definition that will solve all of our questions.

It's to recognize the patterns. To point them out.

And to do something about it while we still have options.