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Well, how long is the trip from hosting to here right late?

I I think it's about uh eight eight or nine hours.

Okay. So, you're fresh like in the first morning.

Yeah, exactly.

So, first question is about demography and uh I spoke with you in the past about that and I think it's very important for you and you pointed on that a lot of your discussion and your

purpose is it.

Yeah. I I I think I you know I really want to emphasize that it's important to have children and to create the new generation and as simple as it sounds if

people do not have children there is no new generation.

So um so I I I very very much strongly recommend that um you know I'm very much in favor of uh humanity expanding and

creating a bright and exciting future for the world and um but but but fundamental to the furtherance of human

civilization is having humans as as simple and basic as that sounds. Um and

uh you know every year I look at the uh the birth rates and I'm like it's it's kind of a bit depressing because uh birth rates seem to decline every year.

Um and I I think uh you know that perhaps my my biggest advice um to leaders to government leaders and and and to to the people in general would

would be to make sure to have children to create the new generation.

Um and I think any any incentives that can be done to incentiv uh for women to have children um and to

support the children I think would be very wise. Um this is so fundamental uh

very wise. Um this is so fundamental uh and uh I really can't emphasize that enough. If if if you don't have a new

enough. If if if you don't have a new generation, there is no new generation.

um or with current birth rates I think it maybe the generations are are birth rate is maybe half half of the replacement rate and what that means is

in three generations the the population will be one roughly roughly onetenth of its current size in three generations maybe four

generations the you the population will be onetenth of its current size so I I I I always um want to emphasize this point because it is so basic and fundamental

that if if there's not at least a birth rate which is keeping population constant then uh a people will will will disappear

um disappear Mr. must disappear disappear we have a lot of immigration somebody says that immigration is important for that reason what what's your point on

that immigrations is coming in Europe and is coming in America from the south of America and then Europe from the south of the Mediterranean Sea what do you think about that

well I I think one can't depend on other countries for immigration and in fact if you look at say the the population worldwide um and this is almost

everywhere in the world and it seems to be a function of how um once a country industrializes once a country urbanizes the population uh immediately starts to

decline. Um so

decline. Um so what one could say for example um like like China could not possibly solve uh its population with uh

immigration because if you you know China is currently tracking to be maybe lose 40% of its population every generation you know that would be 700

million 800 million people um or 700 roughly 7 6 700 million people it's a lot basically you'd have to have the entire United States immigrate there twice every generation to simply

maintain numbers just for China. So

immigration the there simply aren't enough numbers in immigration. Um and I I think I think there is value to to a culture uh you know and and we don't

want cultures we don't want Japan to disappear. We don't want Italy as a

disappear. We don't want Italy as a culture to disappear. We don't want France as a culture to disappear. I

think we have to have the maintain the sort of reasonable cultural uh identity of the various countries. Um or they

simply will not be those countries. Um

you know Italy is Italy Italy is the people of Italy. The the buildings are there but but really what is Italy?

Italy is the people of Italy.

So I I mean I just think it's a and and and I I speak as someone who is very much um very much an an environmentalist and I believe in having you know

building a sustainable future for the world. Um, I think that there are very

world. Um, I think that there are very few people who who as as an individual who have done more than than I have for to help the environment with electric

cars and solar and and uh batteries to create a sustainable energy future because we absolutely need a sustainable energy future. Um,

energy future. Um, but but there is an aspect of the environmental movement that I think has gone too far. um

really said from you.

Yes. So said from me, you know, I think I am objectively one of the world's leading environmentalists in terms of doing things. So

doing things. So like I'm an envir environmentalist who does things of talk of action, not talk.

I act.

Um so so I feel I can say as uh as an environmentalist that the environmentalist movement has gone too far. Um, and in that if if you in the

far. Um, and in that if if you in the natural extension of the environmentalist movement, if you go too far, you start to look at humanity as a bad thing. You start to look at humanity

bad thing. You start to look at humanity as though we are a plague on the surface of the earth. Um, as though humanity is a bad thing. And in fact, there are some

people who think and and say explicitly that um, in fact, there was on the front page of the New York Times, there was a guy who said, "There are 8 billion people on Earth. It would be better if there were none.

which is crazy.

Definitely.

Um, so you told me a joke about the You told me once a joke about the cows and the problem with the cows. You remember

that?

Oh yeah. Don't worry about the cows.

Cows are fine. Cows are not going to destroy the environment. Cows are fine.

Yeah.

Uh, yes.

You know, we have a lot of a lot of laws, European laws against uh all the people who work with them. you know that is a big issue for us because it's seems a green issue but is a very industrial

issue for us.

Yeah. I think farming and cows are not do not have a any meaningful effect on the environment.

Yes. Underline please.

I I Yes. Objectively this is true. So,

so the if you say like there's there's really only one thing that matters from an environmental standpoint uh for carbon which is that we are taking uh billions eventually trillions of tons of

carbon from buried deep within under the earth and putting transferring it to the atmosphere and oceans. That's the That's actually really all that matters is is

taking um vast amounts of carbon from underground where it's buried and moving it into the atmosphere by burning it. Um

and if you do that for long enough, eventually you will get climate change.

Now, I think the climate change alarm is somewhat uh overblown in the short term.

It's still a concern in the long term, but I think it's exaggerated in the short term.

Great. Um now I have to I'm trying to thread the the needle here between what uh you know like what is pragmatic and what is sensible. What really matters

and what doesn't matter. What really

matters is that over the long term, over the course of the next uh several decades, that we gradually reduce how how many mo millions and billions of

tons of of carbon that we move from underground and to the atmosphere because we're running sort of a climate experiment that is dangerous. Um but but

I also don't think that I think of it as a a fundamental civilizational risk. It

it is it's not going to destroy life on Earth. It's not going to destroy

Earth. It's not going to destroy humanity, but it will it will create uh hardship if you change the climate um o over many decades. So, it's it's it's I

think my my my message is like I think much more pragmatic and and I think I think correct and sensible. Um and I and I don't think we should uh demonize oil

and gas. I think we we should say look

and gas. I think we we should say look that is obviously necessary in the short term um and the medium term too and it'll be take several decades to become sustainable. So I think if we just

sustainable. So I think if we just without getting too worried about it uh seek to have a sustainable energy future um gradually then that's what will

happen. Um and and so but but but I

happen. Um and and so but but but I think that some of the environmentalist movement has is is part of what is causing people to lose hope in the future. So I guess what I'm trying to

future. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should have hope in the future. We should be excited about the

future. We should be excited about the future and we should build the future we want.

What about um Elon?

You call it um the work mind. Yes. is

your is the name you gave to the Yeah. Walk mind

Yeah. Walk mind illness. What's that virus?

illness. What's that virus?

Yeah. So, so

it's coming to Europe. I have to advise you. Huh?

you. Huh?

Yes. Well, this is not something you should import from America. Please don't

import the work mind virus is bad.

Um so the the I mean essentially that to summarize maybe the work mind virus it consists of creating very very divisive

um identity politics. So it actually amplifies work virus wine virus in my view amplifies racism amplifies uh frankly sexism and all the isms and what

while claiming to do the opposite it it actually divides people and makes them uh sort of hate each other and it makes people hate themselves.

Um and it's also anti-meritocratic. It's

not like um you know it's not merit-based. So you want you want to

merit-based. So you want you want to have people succeed based on how hard they work and the talents, not who they are, whether they're man, woman, what

what what race or you know gender, what none that stuff is all creating. It's an

artificial uh you know mental civil war that is created. Um and it's not and let me it's no fun. Okay. No fun.

It is like It is like woke mind virus and fun are incompatible.

There's no fun in that.

No joy.

It's it's the woke woke mind virus is all about condemning people instead of celebrating people. Um you know like

celebrating people. Um you know like when in the world it just doesn't celebrate. It's all about condemning and

celebrate. It's all about condemning and being divisive and and being uh just I think it's just evil frankly. Really?

Yeah.

Yeah. It's bad. So bad. Yeah.

But have you get a lot of problems saying so on on your social in have this point of view. you were good friend of Obama administration and now they don't

really like you so much for this kind of speech you do in public or not.

I don't know. I I mean I I just um I I'm very I'm very prohuman. I'm very pro- civilization. I I'm in favor of uh

civilization. I I'm in favor of uh humanity um and and our collective consciousness expanding um on Earth and going beyond Earth being a multilanet

species, a space bearing civilization and being out there among the stars and finding out the nature of the universe like all the things that you know it's that seems like to me an an you know

exciting thing something you can get really excited about is is you can get excited like we want to have ideas that make you look forward to waking up in

the morning, look forward to the day, look forward to the future. And you

know, so you have to say what what excites you about the future?

What moves your heart about the future?

What makes you say like, "Yes, I'm glad about what will happen in the future." That's what we must, you know,

future." That's what we must, you know, focus on. And that's that's why we have

focus on. And that's that's why we have to have a new generation. We've got to build and we got to grow and and uh like I said, we understand this understand

the the the the nature of this beautiful universe that we find ourselves in and the meaning of life or even what questions to ask about, you know,

meaning of life. Um let us explore this wondrous creation and and have a good time doing it.

Yeah, that's my philosophy.

Let me let me go back for a little because I want to ask you about your perception of Europe as a building not as as people because Europe do a lot of flow want a lot of integration of

cultures different cultures and has different approach to the immigration.

We heard Melon did a lot on that with Premier Rama in the first line of Albania. What do you think about the

Albania. What do you think about the this approach of Europe approach as building I would say as an establishment?

Well, I I should say like on to be clear on on immigration overall. I I'm I'm very much in favor of legal immigration.

I think that um generally I think one should welcome to a country anyone who is willing to work hard and is honest you know has high integrity and will add

to you know any given country if somebody is an asset to the country why not have them join that's obviously a great thing to do um so I think it's it's good actually to uh have an

increase in legal immigration and and a simple legal with paper with yeah has some some approval process um

with a simple requirement that look if somebody's going to add to a country um like just really hardworking and high high integrity let them in. I think

that's great. Um but if there's if it's illegal immigration and there's no filter, well, how do you know who's coming in? You don't know. So you you

coming in? You don't know. So you you have to have some, you know, uh basis for saying somebody should come in or not come in. and and and and my argument is like it should be a very simple

basis. Are will they will they add to

basis. Are will they will they add to the country? Will they be a productive

the country? Will they be a productive part of the economy and um do they admire the culture? Do they want to join

because of the culture? Uh then that's great. Um but if you know if there's no

great. Um but if you know if there's no process for that then you you don't know. I think you know at least some

know. I think you know at least some number of the people that come in will will not be necessarily and I want to be careful because my words will be misconstrued.

I'm not saying all illegal immigrants are are are bad. I think probably perhaps most of them are good. But but

there will be some if there's no process for reviewing, not at all. Then how can you say that everyone who is an illegal immigrant is is going to be honest and

hardworking? You can't say that cuz you

hardworking? You can't say that cuz you simply don't know.

Um, so, so I want to be clear, top line, pro- immigration, but but let's increase legal immigration, but but we should stop illegal immigration. I think this

is just logical.

You you have a lot of company. So

that's right.

You can drink because I want to do the list of the companies. You have five, seven minutes to do that. I mean, I'm joking with Space X. X X narrow link.

Lots of so many X's.

All the X's.

Guess what my favorite letter is.

Okay.

X. I guess

it's a good place to invest Italy. It's

a good place to invest some of I mean not your money but of some investment from your company of the American companies of the I would say competitive companies in this place. What's your

opinion? No, I I mean I think Italy is an incredible country, incredible culture. I love I love visiting. I love

culture. I love I love visiting. I love

the Italian people. I think you guys are amazing. It's like

amazing. It's like so um so I I I I want I you know personally I want I want the actually I want the prosperity of Italy and I want the prosperity of every country. Um, I want

the prosperity of humanity as a whole and and like I said, I want us to have an exciting uh future where we're we're fired up about what's going to happen

and really excited. So, uh, you know, and and I think um it, you know, Italy is a great place to invest. It's a great

uh, you know, great country. Um

and uh but but I I do want to emphasize that the that that I I do worry that about the the low birth rate and you know if if a c if a company is to invest in Italy they're like well will you have

to say like will there be enough people to work there you know it's simple question you know if if if the workforce is declining then if the workforce is

declining then then who will work at the simple. If there's no people, there's no

simple. If there's no people, there's no people to work.

Yeah. But I mean, in 50 years, 60.

No, no, but I think it's even sooner than that, though. You know, if you're so worried about that is the problem. I

problem. I I I feel like a total Cassandra here. Um

because like I seem to be worried about it much more than other people. Um but

you know, there just uh needs to be people. If you don't make a new

people. If you don't make a new generation of people, there is no new generation of people. So

that's it. I I know I'm I'm I'm being, you know, I'm being repetitive here. Um

but um I'm just I'm just trying to state state facts, you know. So

and uh yeah, so it's a good place to invest.

I No, I agree. It's a good place to invest. Um

invest. Um and uh and and a wonderful country. So,

um, please make more Italians is what I'm saying.

You said once that the internet is the is the system is the nar I I write down the your word the nervous system of humanity. What's it the internet? Yes,

humanity. What's it the internet? Yes,

the internet.

You said once to me intelligence for you.

That's right. the int art artificial artificial intelligence if that is the nervous system intelligence artificial intelligence what's I mean use another metaphor uh you ask me what do I think of

artificial intelligence um obviously well you can think of artificial intelligence as um this is perhaps the

you the biggest inflection point in intelligence since homo sapiens Um yeah yeah yeah. Um

artificial intelligence is will be essentially a sort of a a new species or is a new species. Um

so I think one of the biggest challenges if if I look at say civilizational risk um you know the the the risk to the future of humanity

um you know birth rate is one of them if we just don't have kids and dwindle away um that's one which I've talked a lot about the other is uh you know there's

always like potentially nuclear war of course that kind of thing um the uh then AI is also an exist existential risk and

we need to be um I think we need to be careful with the advent of AI. Um

it but it is very much it's a it's a very much a double-edged sword. You can

think of AI as kind of like the magic genie you know that like digital super intelligence will be capable of doing anything anything

pretty much anything.

But he doesn't have any consciousness.

I'm I'm wondering about that.

I mean there is a whole question of like what is consciousness?

In fact, so here's like a I always I've thought a lot about what is consciousness and where does consciousness arise? um you know to say

consciousness arise? um you know to say like because I I think in terms of physics you know um

and at least if physics is true then we go from a start of the universe where things are almost entirely hydrogen and then if you

leave the hydrogen out long enough eventually it coaleses into stars and then those stars explode and then they re recondense

um you know and so So mo like most of the mass in your body is was once at the center of a star which is kind of wild

billions of years ago. And

so so where where along the lines of of hydrogen to human does consciousness arise?

You get very serious when you speak about that.

Yeah. It's a real question. If you leave hydrogen out in the sun long enough, it it it starts talking to itself. Here we

are hydrogen talking to itself.

How to deal with that? So if it is so important, how to deal I mean low um personal behavior. How to deal with that artificial intelligence? This

is a process. I mean

I think we need to keep keep a close eye on artificial intelligence. Um

I I mean I'm in favor of some regulatory insight uh just so that there's someone can at least um be a referee. Like if you think of any

game like there's always a referee for a game for for industries that affect the good of the people. There's there are regulatory agencies that oversee those

industries. anything that's dangerous is

industries. anything that's dangerous is overseen by uh some kind of referee or regulator. Um I think we should have the

regulator. Um I think we should have the same thing for AI um just to to help ensure that it is beneficial.

Um the the good part of AI is that we are headed for a future of abundance.

Um so AI and robotics will mean that there are no shortage of goods and services. you there there will be goods

services. you there there will be goods and services if if you can think of it you can have it basically so this is uh quite profound like I said it's the

magic genie um AI and AI and robotics will get you anything you want um now usually in these sort of fairy

tales about magic genies it doesn't turn out so well um you have to be careful what you wish for even if all you wish for are wishes

is um so it's just something we should be cautious about.

Okay.

Um on the plus side, it will bring many benefits. Like I said, there it will

benefits. Like I said, there it will usher in an age of abundance.

Um so the positive scenario of AI is that there's an age of abundance and there are no shortage of goods and services that any scarcity that is that exists

will be only because we define it to be scarce.

So and it it does seem to be somewhat of an inevitable thing uh AI. So,

you know, there's that supposedly that that Chinese saying about uh may you live in interesting times. Well, I think we currently live in the most interesting of times in all of history

right now.

Um so anyway, so my recommendation on AI is I think we want some kind of regulatory oversight just to make sure um that it's

beneficial AI.

Great. We hope so.

And what about the governments like um I mean they are elected by people like Melon and this government and the other government they have any risks or what

do you think about these challenge for the for the executive of the nations about all these new process?

Sorry I'm not sure I understand the question.

What's the risk for the government of this artificial intelligence? Are there

any risks? I mean that democracy is finished.

Well, I I think there's certainly risk of artificial intelligence um affecting voting opinion I I suppose and

manipulating public opinion. Um, so I think there's there's some risk of yeah, a AI um manipulating the public. I think

that's part there's some risk of that.

Um, so yeah. Um,

okay.

You know, but I think pro like like I said 80% probable that AI is beneficial, 20% harmful, something like that. I I'm I'm always worried because you know we have

a new government is two years this government almost two years and we have a Europe for us is our artificial intelligence it seems like artificial intelligence but it's not very intelligent sometimes Europe and so I'm

wondering what do you think about the government and about Europe for us is so important the relation I understand artificial intelligence in the future but in the present we have laws uh you

know constraints that comes from Europe Europe. What do you think about that? If

Europe. What do you think about that? If

you have any opinion on that, what do you think about Italian government which is trying to have a position? I would

say a position. Melon, I don't know if there's more than a position. You want

me to be more tough than a position?

It's okay. What do you think? It's it's

good to have a position in Europe to be uh I mean I would say different from uh main course of European politics.

Um do you mean do you mean like country decisions versus EU decisions or decision about green about the politics immigration?

Oh, I mean there's a separate question of like I think regulations in Europe um there are too many regulations

in in general not I'm not speaking about specific case of AI the I I think one could look at this as overall a fundamental function of of a stable

civilization. The long the longer that

civilization. The long the longer that any given civilization is stable and does not have a a big war, the more rules and regulations will accumulate

over time. So rules, regulations, laws,

over time. So rules, regulations, laws, they are immortal. They never die. So

but people die. So if every year um more and more rules, regulations and laws are added, uh you you will eventually make everything illegal. Um and you can think

everything illegal. Um and you can think of it sort of like Guliva's travels where Guliva if if the nation is Guliva it's being tied down by one little

regulatory string at a time and eventually you have millions of strings and then the giant can't move and so and

I think there needs to be uh something where we uh delete rules regulations and laws um because if we keep if we simply

if all we do is add Eventually we will be able to do nothing.

Okay. Shall shall I do some question about your companies because here there are all the young people not only the young people from important important

Italian party and they most of them use the social network they use X and I I I saw in the past days that the CEO of

Disney said I don't want to invest any advertising on X and he's investing for example in the meta in Instagram and he

said there are problems of I don't know which kind of problem they find on compar child exploitation on yeah what what's what's going on why why

an important investor like Disney said something so tough on on X what's going on there well I think first of all I think X will be will be fine um and um we are

actually already seeing um advertisers return to okay to X um so I guess they were I don't know upset with something I

head or something. I don't know. Um but

um they you know advertisers I think are the brand advertisers are a little they're always worried about their brand and um

you know maybe I think maybe a bit more than they should be. Um but I think it's a short-term issue. Um, like I said, the advertisers, they sometimes get upset,

but then they usually calm down and they return to advertising.

So, um, come on. You know that there is the walk

come on. You know that there is the walk virus over there.

Well, oh, yes.

We have to say I don't want to answer for you.

Yeah. Yeah. No, no, you're right. You're

right. If if we're going to fight the workmind virus, then the work mind virus will fight back. And unfortunately,

Disney is deeply infected with with the workmind virus. In fact, if you ask an

workmind virus. In fact, if you ask an AI, what is the most work company on earth? It's Disney.

earth? It's Disney.

Really, you know, but and and you have to say, what would I mean, I think they should be asking themselves, what would Walt Disney think

of Disney today? I think he's turning in his grave.

I think he's not happy. Sure. Sure. You

know, if if the namesake of the company is not happy, that's probably a bad sign. You know, because Walt Disney,

sign. You know, because Walt Disney, what did he care about? He cared about bringing joy to people's lives. He

brought, you know, um m making wonderful things that children and families could enjoy. Um and uh you know, he was he

enjoy. Um and uh you know, he was he created some of the the coolest um uh you know, art in the world and stuff that even 100 years after it's created,

we still remember it and and still it's still a major thing. But you have to say how great was Walt Disney. It was

amazing. Um but now Disney at least for now is deeply infected with the work mind virus. I think that will you know

mind virus. I think that will you know that will change over time.

Yeah. Oh, I hope so. He arrived at the European Commission. They're not

European Commission. They're not investing on X. You know that.

Maybe they're a little they got the book Mind Bars too.

Yeah.

You don't care.

I I think so. you know, and and and it's like why are they importing this this crazy thing from America, you know? It's

like it's just some thing that was created basically by sort of far-left crazy people in US colleges and now it's spreading all over the

world.

Um, and it's it's like you you know like the thing is the work virus it's it's not a message of joy. It's a it's a a message of division.

Sure.

It's not a message of love. It's a

message of hate. And I was like, and so I'm like I I'm like like, you know,

let's uh I don't know. I'm I'm I'm in favor of like let's have a future that's got more love, more like more and I let let us build a fun exciting future. And

and and the work Bir is all about condemning one group and condemning this, condemning that. It's like and and and and it's also like just being like a it just wants to scold you all the time

and and treat you like a you know I don't know who wants to be scolded you know it's not fun. Um

so anyway um I think we want to you know have a like so I I guess at its heart my concern is that the workmind virus is anti-ivilizational um and

end of civilization anti-ivilization I think civilization sure but if it represents a cost for your company what's you know you have a trade-off between the cost of your position and

the and the cost for the company what's your choice and what How much is important in your behavior? The the free speech standing that's the question.

I I do think free speech is incredibly important because if people cannot speak their minds um and then we we we won't have a democracy. Democracy is the

foundation of democracy is freedom of speech.

But also saying something So Andrea Andrea Stropa is is laughing at that because he knows that it's so important for you. But tell me more about the free speech because here is very important. A person here couldn't

very important. A person here couldn't speech for a lot of people because they were considered mavericks and worse than that. Free speech for everybody is

that. Free speech for everybody is important not just for the person who say the right things. Correct.

Exactly. No. No. Exactly. The free

speech means that free free speech is only relevant free speech is only meaningful when if if you allow people you don't like to say things you don't

like.

So that's how you know it's working.

That's how you know it's working. Um

because it it as once you start to censor uh people you don't like saying things you don't like, it's only a matter of

time before that censorship turns on you eventually. You know, you live by the

eventually. You know, you live by the sword, die by the sword. Live by

censorship, die by censorship.

Elon, why? You spoke about free. You

bought Twitter for the free speech.

Just for the free speech, not for the business inside. You bought

business inside. You bought Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Well, I mean, here's the thing. So um

you know I think you have to say like if civilization is not strong if civilization doesn't grow um then nothing else matters you know profits

don't matter if civilization collapses this there's no profits there's no you know you we we are not we we cannot

exist absent civilization so sometimes people may say like well is this an altruistic thing I mean I think it's for me it feels altruistic but even if it's

even if one is not altruistic even if one is very uh self-centered um you have to say if you simply think long term you

have to be pro- civilization because you cannot exist without civilization okay how how important from 0 to 10 in the scale from 0 to 10 money you are the

richest person in the world how is important money for you from zero to 10 zero is the less important 10 is the is the good go. I don't want to one or two or something.

No, come on.

No, I mean one or two just just one of Well, you have to say like the I mean the the the reason I guess I have what so-called wealth or it's really just

shares in the company is that I've created these companies, you know, and these companies like SpaceX and Tesla.

Tesla is 140,000 jobs direct uh worldwide and I five times that number maybe maybe almost a million jobs when you look at the whole supply chain for

is what Tesla's created and then SpaceX is is about 15,000 people and also you know like maybe full total supply chain

50,000 people so you know I mean I've basically with the help of many talented people built these companies and And then the the so-called these these

wealth statistics simply they simply add up what the ownership is in the companies and say okay this is a certain amount of money but I don't actually have that in money I have it in stock I

just it's just it's just that the companies have succeeded um but how was the last the last launch of the SpaceX tell me something last question please Joani the last launch I see m there

sitting on the floor why are you sitting on the floor are you worried about the highness Hey Mark, how was the last launch? Was a you were

optimist about your SpaceX the big big Yeah. So well well Starship so the the

Yeah. So well well Starship so the the the exciting thing about Starship is that it's the first rocket design that could make life multilanetary that could

enable a self-sustaining um base on the moon and a city on Mars. Um so because it is it's not just a very large vehicle

but it is designed for full and rapid reusability. Um so that would um lower

reusability. Um so that would um lower the cost of access to space by I don't know maybe 100 or more. And so and

basically it's the it's the first rocket that is capable of um building a base on Mars and a base on the moon. Yes. That's

that's that's the Yeah.

So, you know, you know, there's the the the the great Italian physicist Enrico Fermy. I'm a I'm a big admirer of Fermy.

Fermy. I'm a I'm a big admirer of Fermy.

And he had uh he was very good at asking profound questions. Um and one of his

profound questions. Um and one of his questions which is called the Fermy paradox is where are the aliens?

And one of the explanations is that and perhaps I think the one that I think is most appears to be most accurate is that consciousness is extremely rare

that it's you know we we people often ask me have I do I know about aliens or something like that you know get asked that a lot um and the crazy thing is

that I've seen no evidence of aliens whatsoever. Um this this means that I

whatsoever. Um this this means that I think most likely at least in this part of the galaxy um we are the only consciousness that

exists. And so you can think of

exists. And so you can think of human consciousness really as like a a tiny candle in a vast darkness.

And we must do everything we can to ensure that the candle does not go out.

Great. We can finish with that. We can

finish with that. William.

Okay, we can finish with this.

Oh, and so so um it's worth reading about the BMI paradox and because people have thought very hard about this um because there are these because one of the things is

like well maybe there are these great filters and and these civilizations don't pass these filters. One of the filters is um

filters. One of the filters is um do we become a multilanet species or not? If we do not become a multilanet

not? If we do not become a multilanet species, then eventually at some point something will happen to the planet. Either it will be

the planet. Either it will be uh man-made or it will be uh something natural like a a meteor like whatever killed the dinosaurs for example. So,

and then eventually the sun will actually expand and will destroy all life on Earth. So, if one cares about life on Earth at all, we should care

about becoming a multilanet species and eventually going out there and becoming a multi-stellar species and having many star systems. You know, we we we want

the exciting parts of science fiction to not be fiction forever. We want to make them real.

And um yeah, great. Thank

And um yeah, great. Thank