KRIS JENNER: The TRUTH Behind the Headlines

[music] [music] Chris Jenna, welcome to On Purpose.

>> I'm so excited to be here. My kids have come before me [laughter] to get the lay of the land and well, you know, we love you dearly. I'm such a

huge fan. Love listening to the podcast.

huge fan. Love listening to the podcast.

Love listening to anytime I get the opportunity to see you online giving a motivational speech or, you know, different things that you do. It's so

inspirational to me and I know how much my girls love you. So, I had to come see for myself what was going on over here.

Well, as I was saying, Chris, you and your family have been so gracious and kind to me from day one. I remember the early days of Chloe sharing something that I'd done in 2019 or Kendall starting to follow me and then

connecting and then >> Kim has just been amazing over the last couple of years and finally getting to meet you and I and I want to start with this because I remember when I came over for dinner >> Uhhuh.

>> and everyone [clears throat] after was like, "What was it like going to Chris's house for dinner?" and like and I was like and it was me, you and Kendall. And

I said to everyone, I was like, I felt like I was at my friend's mom's house. I

was like, all you wanted to do was make sure I'd eaten enough and make sure I was well fed and taken care of. And I

was so touched by just that amazing energy that you have of making everyone feel at home, making everyone feel welcome. And whenever I see you, whether

welcome. And whenever I see you, whether it's at a party or an event or one of our mutual friends birthdays that we were just at, >> I I always just feel so happy when we're talking. So, thank you so much. Truly,

talking. So, thank you so much. Truly,

it means the world. Oh, well, thank you for having me. It really means the world to me and I really enjoyed that night because I got to know you a little bit more on a personal level and just heard

about what you were all about, what your intentions are with people and how you want to help people and and bring people together and in a world where

everybody's torn apart, especially in the last decade or so, how crazy everything seems. I think for us to have that beacon of of someone we can look up

to to say now hold on, you know, let's look at this a different way and try to find something peaceful in all of it.

And so for that, I appreciate you so much.

>> Thank you. Well, I want to get to know the Chris. Oh, boy. That that uh that I

the Chris. Oh, boy. That that uh that I believe we forget existed.

>> Ah, >> because today we live in a world where we're so preoccupied with what everyone does today, we forget how they became and how they were created. And I wanted to ask you,

>> what's a childhood memory that you remember that you feel defines who you are today?

>> Oh my goodness. A childhood memory.

Well, I think, you know, growing up, I just I was really raised by my mom and my grandmother and two really strong

business women who worked and and showed me that how powerful that can be. Um,

just not just out there in the world to show others, but for yourself, like how to how to be somebody that you were

really proud of, but also provided for their families and then taught their children and grandchildren how to be

strong intelligent caring, you know, loving moms, but also, you know, you know, working women who really were

of a different generation. You know,

when my mom was um very young, when she was in her 20s, she had me when she was 20, my grandmother was 40 and you know, I was just born and so there's always

been a 20 year age difference and then of course 40 years with my grandmother.

And they taught me that working and having a career was just part of our lifestyle and our family. And that meant

so much to me because they were so such an inspiration. And my mom also showed

an inspiration. And my mom also showed me what it was like to, you know, get dressed up every day. She loved fashion.

She loved this is how you want to present yourself to the world every day.

Like how do you want to look when you go to third grade? [laughter]

you know, or or even junior high or high school. And it really was something when

school. And it really was something when I look back on it now, I'm so proud of those two women who raised me because they showed me what it's like to, you know, have a career and and how to take

care of a home and what it was like to be married, what it was like to have children. And I know when I was 16 years

children. And I know when I was 16 years old, I really realized that's when I knew I wanted to have a lot of kids. And

I actually had the number six in my head at that very early age.

>> Wow. Really?

>> Uh-huh. I used to think, I'm going to have six kids. And then when I ended up getting divorced and I had four kids, I thought, boy, was I off a couple of kids. [laughter] And then I ended up

kids. [laughter] And then I ended up having two more. But growing up with with the family I grew up with, I felt I do feel so blessed

>> to have had a very privileged, caring, loving home and childhood. And I think it's something that I'll always be grateful for. And I talk to my mom who's

grateful for. And I talk to my mom who's 91 about it all the time. I think I always thank her for all the sacrifices and working late. And sometimes, you

know, she wasn't necessarily, you know, at home when I got home from school with chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven and making me, you know, a roast

beef dinner, but she was there working her ass off, you know, for for me and my sister and for that. And then my grandmother, you know, lived across the

street, so my grandmother was doing all the the grandma things. And so it really gave me a good sense of family, unity, um closeness, you know, it fed my

spirituality because I went to church every Sunday and was, you know, um had, you know, communion and all the things that you do as a young girl whose mom is

taking them to church every Sunday and teaching you all the things. And it was a huge part of my life that that childhood of just being not only I had

so many friends and went to public school which was down the street. My

mom's priority when I was a child was always move next to the school because you can walk to school. So we were walking to school, not a care in the

world. We had no seat belts in the cars.

world. We had no seat belts in the cars.

driving around in the back of my mom's my mom had a convertible T-Ird when I was a little girl and throw us in the back on a shelf and we'd be bouncing around. And by the way, I did the same

around. And by the way, I did the same thing with my kids, Courtney and Kimberly when I had them and Chloe and then Robert. Everyone in the back of the

then Robert. Everyone in the back of the station wagon, no seat belts, just 15 kids in the back section shoved together like sardines taking everybody

everywhere. So, so many memories of

everywhere. So, so many memories of things that were so different >> from I remember my first colored TV when and where I lived and what house I could

like imagine what corner of the room it was in and how exciting that was. So,

you know, I can also remember getting my first iPhone, you know, [laughter] I mean, talk about bizarre, you know, the the contrast of the two.

>> Did you ever have one of those brick phones? One of the really big Oh, yeah.

phones? One of the really big Oh, yeah.

I remember >> 1990 1990991 and you'd make a call. You thought you were so cool cruising down the highway with a brick in your hand, you know, and there was no rules on you could talk to

anybody. You could talk on the phone

anybody. You could talk on the phone while you were driving, you could eat a burger while you were driving down the street.

>> It's amazing all the different changes culturally, you know, and just personally, just all the different chapters I've had in my life. It's like

every single one is so clear, but if you take it like the fir, you know, 1 through 10, 10 through 20, 20 through 30, and just keep going, it's like there's so many huge magical things that

have happened in each chapter. And I

think that's um the way I look at it now at my age, you know, you have so much perspective >> and it it changes from decade to decade.

So I I consider myself really lucky.

>> Yeah. Wow. It's incredible hearing about it because I love that your mother and your grandmother were just such big influences and role models in your life.

What what work did they do? What were

they doing at the time? Were they

>> My grandmother was an accountant and then later opened a candle store called the Candalabra in La Hoya, California.

And my mom opened another candle store um nearby on Gerard Street. And they

were entrepreneurs and they got up every morning at 5:00 and they had a routine and they had structure and they had their coffee and had breakfast and got

dressed like to the nines, you know, like gorgeous. Went to work, worked all

like gorgeous. Went to work, worked all day, were so, you know, it's very satisfying to end the day with a full day's work under your belt. You feel

like you've really accomplished something. And I knew that feeling

something. And I knew that feeling because I lived it my whole life. So it

was kind of embedded in me that I too couldn't wait to have a career or start working. I mean my first job was I

working. I mean my first job was I worked in my grandmother's candle store and I was the gift wrapper. Oh, and I would be I was 12 years old and I loved

to go to work with my grandmother and my mom and but I was at my grandmother's store and she'd put me in the back room and she taught me how to gift wrap and make bows and I was the best gift

wrapper I could possibly be and I made the most beautiful bows in my mind on the [laughter] planet. And she taught me that no matter what you do, you do the

best job you can possibly do. If you

know, she was the one who I had to brush my teeth for some reason a lot when I was young. Every time I had anything to

was young. Every time I had anything to eat, brush your teeth, brush your teeth.

But she had this rule that [snorts] if you brushed your teeth at my grandmother's house, then you had to clean the sink with like Comet or Ajax or one of those crazy things. And I

would scrub that sink like it was like my only, you know, polish, polish, polish. And she would sit there and say,

polish. And she would sit there and say, "You have the most beautiful hands and you have," she would just give me these mo the most sweetest compliments about

and then said, "You you are really the best sink washer in the family." And I was like, "Wow, okay." [laughter]

You know, so it gave me confidence that if you really, you know, she taught taught me that no matter how big or small the job, just do the best you can and you'll be praised for it. And that

just instilled something in me.

>> Yeah. What?

>> And then of course I tortured my own children. Wash the sink. The best you,

children. Wash the sink. The best you, you know, they're like rolling their eyes. Were they as good as you?

eyes. Were they as good as you?

>> Of course not. [laughter]

>> No. I'm the best sink scrubber you'll ever see.

>> Do Do you used to wrap Christmas presents, birthday presents?

>> Every all day. I wrap one this morning before I came here. No way.

>> Yeah. I didn't do a bow because it was a different kind of a package, but I think my kids really, we have a big contest during the holidays and at Christmas it's like who's got the best wrapping

paper, but we don't tell each other >> what gift wrap we're doing. We like it to be a surprise. Well, I do Christmas morning and all the kids gifts are

dropped off at my house and we all have a section like, you know, of there and so we know, oh, these are all Kim's gifts because they're wrapped like, well, she stopped by my house last year

because she wanted to check out how her gifts look to make sure they were positioned perfectly, right? I'm like,

oh lord. So, she comes by and little did I know, she whips out her phone and she starts doing like it was either a live

or something on Instagram and she shows the entire world all of our packages.

So, now all the sisters and everybody knew and >> what your Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> So, she gave it away.

>> Yeah.

>> And then >> Yeah. So, these are just all the pranks

>> Yeah. So, these are just all the pranks I think we play on each other, you know, that constantly all day long.

>> So, Kim was trying to expose you. That

was >> I think so. I think she was being, you know, she was being cute. [laughter]

She's always so great.

>> I love it. I remember I remember when we were speaking when I came over, you were talking about you being an air hostess as your one of your early >> I was a flight attendant.

>> Flight attendant. Yeah.

>> I I went from the candle store and I learned so much there. And then I worked at the doughnut shop by my house in

University City in San Diego. And I

would take I my job was to get there before school and before I had to get on the bus to go to high school or junior high school, I guess. And I would take a

a scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor that the donuts, you know, when they were glazing the donuts, there would be this glaze all over the floor.

And I would scrape the glaze off of the floor. And that was my job every morning

floor. And that was my job every morning before school. and I then worked at my

before school. and I then worked at my mom's store again and then I applied to be a flight attendant for American

Airlines and that was an amazing job but looking back on that I learned so much from that job. So every single thing I

did, I learned enormous organizational skills and people skills and social intelligence and you know some other skills like how to pour a great cup of

coffee and how to you know serve people and how to interact with people and personal service business is incredibly demanding, you know, and now I look at all of the people in that kind of a

business a different way and have so much respect for that kind of a career.

But I learned a lot along the way of how to deal with people. And I think that working from a young age and continuing

up to this day, I learned a thing or two about um so many different things that you wouldn't think would apply to later in life.

>> Tell me some of this. you know, well, just I mean organizational skills for one and how to keep calendars and how to be on time and how to be 15 minutes

early and how to negotiate and how to get what you think you want or deserve from an employer. I I know one of my things I talk about is if somebody says

no, you're talking to the wrong person.

And I learned that if I got a no from these three people in scheduling, for example, with American Airlines, then I would go to another person and, you know, try my best charm, you know, that

I could possibly think of, you know, of what were all the reasons why I should fly this flight to get to LA, you know, to see who I wanted to see.

And you just hone different life skills at the different things you do at a young age, especially in the workforce.

And it's really amazing. You never quite know what or where life is going to lead you >> and where it's going to be the best lesson you ever learned.

>> Yeah.

>> And that's what just to expect nothing but breathe in everything. like just

like I was so I was like a sponge and I think I just had to surrender to the process if you know what I mean. It's it

was just like I knew instinctively I'm on a learning journey and I'm going to get the most out of these experiences that I possibly could

>> at the time. And I knew that I really did know that intelligently and in the moment. And I don't know why,

moment. And I don't know why, >> but I just knew I had to pay attention.

>> Yeah. I think there's such an important lesson in what you're saying for everyone who's listening. I feel like we've done a disservice to a lot of young people today where we believe it's

all about finding the perfect job or launching the perfect company.

>> And actually from your experience, what you're saying is I learned a lot from the candle store. I learned a lot from scraping off the floors.

>> I learned a lot from being a flight attendant. It's like each of these

attendant. It's like each of these experiences, even though they weren't your perfect job or your ideal life, there were really valuable lessons that have made you the powerful leader.

>> Incredible. It developed who I am uh and was at that time and then came to be all through each decade. And the more I, you know, went through life and was knocked

down or brought up or had, you know, experiences and and and had these things that I went through, I think added to but I also believe that everything happens for a reason. I'm very

spiritual. I pray about everything before I do it. And I learned that a lot about that from a very young age. and it just really um

has helped me through so many great times and so many you know challenging times but I also think that I come from

a place now in this decade of great gratitude >> and I think that's what people don't um always experience daily I think it's

been a learning experience for me of course I'm grateful of course I have gratitude for everything that I my life is this beautiful life with my beautiful

family and I couldn't ask for more but to really be conscious of being grateful has been something I've worked on for the last few years and try to be more present because we can be so easily

distracted >> with and and everybody's going so fast and I feel like everybody needs to slow down >> you know it's so fast and I I see the

younger generation >> but I I think the the younger one then the next one down from Kendall and Kylie. I don't remember even what

Kylie. I don't remember even what they're [laughter] called anymore.

>> Yeah. Gen Z and Gen Alpha.

>> Okay. Alpha.

>> Yeah. Alpha.

>> I guess it's alpha.

>> Kendall and Kylie. Gen Z. I think just right. I think the Gen Alpha. It's like

right. I think the Gen Alpha. It's like

I I wish you could just slow down and experience and be in the moment a little bit more because I always struggled with that. I always on to the next something

that. I always on to the next something to look forward to that distractions are everywhere. And so then you don't feel

everywhere. And so then you don't feel what you're living through or going through and we're so busy taking photos of it or videos of it, we don't sit and

feel it or enjoy it. I remember I went to the sphere the other night >> and I was Wizard of Oz.

>> Oh w I want to see that.

>> It's really good. And I was there with my girlfriend and I I now mind you I was 10 years old or nine years eight something when I the first time I saw

the Wizard of Oz and or that I remembered it and enjoyed it and I've seen it 100,000 times. So I didn't need to video anything. I knew what the movie

was about. Like what am I doing? And I

was about. Like what am I doing? And I

caught myself and I why am I filming this whole thing? Like I want to sit and experience it. And that's just a good

experience it. And that's just a good example of how I think that a lot of us go through life is trying to capture the moment when we can just slow down and feel the moment,

>> you know, and that's what I I want for me and my family because we do get very distracted >> and it goes by so quickly in a

heartbeat. And I think that's what when

heartbeat. And I think that's what when you're my age, you want to scream that from the top of a mountain. You know,

everybody slow down and enjoy every second because all of a sudden it's gone.

>> And and you know, everybody has to figure it out for themselves. But that I wish, you know, because I've had all these different decades to compare it to and have a different perspective every

so often, every few years. That's one of my notes to note to self. Just try to enjoy it and not get distracted by the noise.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz there's a lot of noise.

>> That's such a great note. And hearing it from your wisdom and years of experience, I I it feels different when I'm sitting with you and I'm listening to you. It feels different hearing it

to you. It feels different hearing it from you. And I was you were making me

from you. And I was you were making me think about there's a meditation practice that I love that I practice when I feel I'm disturbed by the noise.

>> And it's really simple. It's called 5 4321 and it's let me look at the five things I can see. So you look around this memory and you look at the colors and

the textures shapes and the the visuals.

So Wizard of Oz >> and then four things you can touch. So

it could be your daughter's hand or your mother's hand. It could be the clothes

mother's hand. It could be the clothes you're wearing, the texture that you can feel, whether it's smooth or harsh. Then

it's three things you can hear, two things you can smell, and one thing you can taste.

>> Oh wow. Wow. And anytime I've ever done this and I was thinking about a particular moment I went to Bhutan last year >> and I was actually teaching this meditation. I can close my eyes today

meditation. I can close my eyes today and be back in that place in Bhutan.

>> Oh, I love that >> because it was so real because you took it in and so yeah to really to really let it sink in. It's such a you're absolutely right. Well, you know, I

absolutely right. Well, you know, I think somebody of my age has a different perspective because I spent, you know, when I was 22 years old, I got married

and 23 had Courtney and, you know, the rest is history. But I there were no cell

history. But I there were no cell phones.

>> There wasn't a computer. There wasn't a laptop. There wasn't an iPad. There

laptop. There wasn't an iPad. There

wasn't music on a little box. There

wasn't if you wanted to talk to somebody on the phone, you had to walk into the kitchen and dial a plastic telephone.

And if you wanted to know what was at the movies, you dialed a number, like whatever it was, and you found out what was playing at the movies. And if you wanted to know what time it was, you

dialed, I think it was 5551212.

And if that's right, I will be so excited [laughter] about my memory. But

it was, you know, a different time.

>> And today with so many things that just supply instant gratification, it's extremely

seductive.

And I think that it's it's something like I think about it all the time and I think what a different world but yet such progress such amazing the

the world we live in is wild and amazing. I mean when I was a young girl

amazing. I mean when I was a young girl a little girl I used to watch the Jetsons. Mhm. I remember I kind of

Jetsons. Mhm. I remember I kind of remember that and it was sort of intimating that by the year 2020 we would be flying in cars around, you know, the city, >> you know, we wouldn't even have cars

that were on the road anymore. And so,

you know, we're almost there.

>> Yeah. Almost. [laughter] Almost.

>> But it, you know, we used to imagine this modern world and here we are. So,

it's very exciting. Um, but you never know what's going to happen next. I

mean, I I I worry a little bit. I worry

a lot about my grandchildren and social media. That scares me a bit because it

media. That scares me a bit because it can be so dark and I really want them to have the best parts of anything. I mean,

in life there's good and bad. But in

this case, you know, I worry about that.

I just want them to and I think their moms, you know, all my kids are really responsible about trying to control screen time and all of that, but it's different. It's a different place.

different. It's a different place.

>> Yeah. You

>> There's a lot of noise.

>> Absolutely. You're approaching your 70th birthday.

>> Yeah.

>> Which is so exciting.

>> And what an incredible milestone. What's

this chapter of your life called? If you

could name it, what would it be called?

>> Oh my goodness. The best. The best

chapter. the I'm happy to be here and to really have this beautiful family and just enjoy the ride because like I said

just to be present at at this time and place. I did learn a lot from my family

place. I did learn a lot from my family from my grandmother and my mom who both worked until they were in their 80s and I saw >> Wow.

>> Yeah, >> that's incredible. And my mom often says she retired when she was 82 and she often says that really kept her

so purposeful and we all want to find that life of purpose >> but for her it gave her great purpose and it great gave her great joy

>> and she was so satisfied with the work she did every day and got to you know I think when somebody has structure and has a schedule and has something to look

forward to and has something like that in their life and feels needed and wanted >> and useful >> and useful and that's a very good

feeling and I think that's that's the road I'm going to go down. I just want to you know be >> you're not retiring anytime soon. This

is >> never never no I love what I do and I often say um this wouldn't be as easy

without my entire family and doing what we do together because um you know there's a lot of people out there that have um you know a job in entertainment

or in the media or whatever it is and they um have a big career and they do it by themsel and and they're the only one in their family who has that kind of a

career, that kind of a job.

>> And I thought how lonely it would be if there was just one of us.

>> It would be so hard. And so I feel super blessed that I have this incredibly

fabulous family and all this love and support and it's it makes it really a a very sweet life.

>> Yeah. What a what a what a special special achievement to have that. How

have you >> you know one thing I've noticed spending time with all of you and having as I said earlier Kim, Chloe, and Kendall have all sat in this chair >> preparing it for you.

>> There's there's such a love between everyone in the family.

>> And of course there's the fun of the >> uh what's the right word? the fun of the teasing each other and the banter, but at the core of it, it's it's so evident that there's love >> and it's real and it's and it's and it's

genuine.

>> How do you create a family in which competition isn't a negative thing and growth is everyone's focus? Because I

think what we see across the world is, you know, you have six children, but it's like people may have two and then you have one person who really ambitious and driven and one person who just wants to hide away. Whereas you've got a family of people who are all ambitious

in different ways. They all have their own fascinations, their own passions, and they're pursuing it >> to the best of their ability, which is such a beautiful thing to see. How how

do you create that energy? What does

that require? I think first of all when they were very young I think they learned so much from the examples set by their dad or just myself in different

areas their stepdad their family their friends and we've always had a huge group of family friends friends and I think they watch and had great examples

set before them but I think that one of my biggest and strongest desires and my path to um the success that they've had

is just really helping them along the way identify what was really important to them and they were passionate about.

And we threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall. Believe me, it was it was crazy.

wall. Believe me, it was it was crazy.

But when they finally found their their destiny, their passion, their the opportunities that came their way that

they wanted to embrace and were so happy about. I you just feel when something's

about. I you just feel when something's right >> and that that makes me really happy.

Every time I felt like somebody found their their their thing, you know, their their passion was was that strong that they were able to really make this

something they wanted to focus on and the determination, the energy they put into it. Their work ethic is second to

into it. Their work ethic is second to none. And they would get up with this,

none. And they would get up with this, you know, passion every day at, you know, getting up at 5 and, you know, getting into the gym and taking care of

their their health and their well-being and then at the same time having kids, raising children, getting to work, you know, it's just they all have such focus

and determination, but they also have great structure. they're organized and

great structure. they're organized and then they learn how to find their peace >> at the same time which I think is really important and I think that's something that Courtney's really good at that and

she's taught the rest of us you know like wait a second you know there's you've got to you know find the peace in all of it too and protect your soul

>> you know so that's been really really important I think it's just working together encouraging one another. And

when someone is successful, we're all so excited for that person's success, no matter how it comes.

>> And it could be the smallest little, you know, not everything moves a needle. And

it can be the smallest little win, and we get really happy for each other. Like

last night when I was blonde, all of my kids this morning were screaming, "Mom."

And then Kim goes, "Did you dye your hair?" And I said, "Yes." Of course, I

hair?" And I said, "Yes." Of course, I didn't dye my hair, but I had her going for a while. Yeah, we were we were trying to figure out this morning whether we were going to get blonde hair or black hair.

>> Yeah. So, it's fun to work together. It's fun to,

work together. It's fun to, you know, go through challenges together.

>> It's awful to go through really bad times together, but we're together, so it's important. And it's, you know, when

it's important. And it's, you know, when we get to celebrate each other um over the smallest things or the biggest things, I think the kids are just happy

for each other >> and there really isn't any jealousy, which makes me really proud. You know,

that and they're very vocal and loud when something bugs them or when something needs to be said. Don't you

worry. They're they're my loudest voice at times in my head. But we all I think we're just all happy for one another and we know we're doing this together. And

somebody's success in my family is sort of a halo effect. I feel like it is good for everyone >> and you know especially business-wise,

but it's just really good for all of us personally because we get to see each other grow and thrive and evolve and and elevate different things like we'll get

notes to each other. Okay. Well, this

was great, but if you only did this, it would be so much better. So, everybody,

you know, is a backseat driver.

>> Yeah.

>> Or what do you call it? sideline

quarterback, you know, everybody's [laughter] weighing in on everybody else's stuff.

So, it's fun. It makes it a We're our own little, you know, we have I have 13 grandchildren.

Imagine that's a lot of humans and we have an amazing little, you know, bubble that we live in and that we are so

dedicated to one another and very loyal and looking for that peace that we can surround oursel with when we can >> with family time.

>> Yeah. I just wanted to acknowledge how how hard it is to do that. It's it's

>> it's hard. It's so hard to be able to create a non-competitive, non-envious, non- jealous family space system. I

think for it's it's not easy. And

>> whether it's happened naturally because of all these great values or whether it's happened through hardship, >> it's probably the most significant achievement that one could ever have is

>> it's lovely. It really is lovely. And I

I'm so proud of them for being there.

And if somebody gets into trouble or somebody, you know, needs help with anything, everyone is right there to jump in and make it okay. And it's it's

interesting that, you know, they're very very loyal and very um protective and they surround each other with a lot of love.

>> And the fact that they're also amazing parents is the biggest gift. I watch

them as um my son has a daughter and um everyone except for Kendall has a you know has a son or a daughter or both and

they're amazing parents and I often sit and tell them I'll sit and watch Kylie um or Chloe all of them Kim Rob

um Courtney but I watch them with their kids and I just take it all in and I say God I wish I would have been this good as a parent >> with you >> with you

>> because I feel like they take it to another level. I've never seen anything

another level. I've never seen anything so amazing literally in my life. I talk

to my mom about it all the time. I go,

"Can you believe the way they do this and that and the other?" And my mom and I are in awe of what great parents they are. And I think they are, you know,

are. And I think they are, you know, people ask me all the time, how do we keep our kids as close or how do I, and

I think it's just the time you spend and what you focus on and the way that you, you know, spend time with your kids and

and show them that you're never going to, you know, I didn't have kids to on their 18th birthday kick them out of the house. My girlfriend used to say,

house. My girlfriend used to say, "You're too nice. You know, you're not their friend. You're their mother." And

their friend. You're their mother." And

I looked at her and I said, "Oh, no. I'm

their friend." Because they're going to be 18 one day, and I'm not going to be left out of this big, beautiful life that, you know, that I want to have with them.

>> How do you love someone that you don't agree with? How do you love someone that

agree with? How do you love someone that you have something with that didn't work out? And by the way, I'm saying this

out? And by the way, I'm saying this because I've had private conversations with you where you've talked to me about these things and I'm blown away by it.

>> So I'm like, how do you love someone even when something hasn't worked out the way you want it to?

>> Right. Um

>> because I know it's deep for you. That's

what I'm asking.

>> Yeah. I think you start with communication. And I think that's where

communication. And I think that's where you have to start to really feel and understand I'm going to cry.

Sorry. [gasps]

I don't know why I'm emotional about this, but I think you just have to understand where somebody's coming from.

Sorry Jay.

>> Um, okay.

Is there a tissue, you guys? Yeah.

>> I think I don't know why that hit so hard, but I think communication I think compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be going through.

Even though you don't agree with them, if you once love them, then love is love, you know. And I

always fall in love with people and then if they disappoint you, it Sorry, I don't know why I'm crying. See what I said? It's right there under the

said? It's right there under the surface. Sometimes you just get me. But

surface. Sometimes you just get me. But

I think communication is I preach communication. And I think if you if

communication. And I think if you if somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try to say, "No, no, no. You you just don't understand.

no, no. You you just don't understand.

You know, this didn't happen like this."

and they really didn't mean it like this or you know I'm always the one who tries and communicates that. But I

think God what's wrong with me? But I

also think that compassion, if you don't have an open heart and you're stuck with trying to

understand someone, you you will be lost forever until you can try and see and forgive. M

and forgive. M >> and I think if people can't come from a place of forgiveness then they'll be stuck forever.

>> You know, you have to be open to understanding what someone else is truly all about. And why

all about. And why I stand up for people who are the underdog at times, it makes me really sad that they're the underdog. And I

feel like some people get really misunderstood.

And I think that we all need to stand up for each other, >> especially when we need it the most. And

that comes from a conversation. It comes

from a communication. It comes from a compassion. And it comes from

compassion. And it comes from forgiveness.

And if you can't learn to forgive someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions, you know, I'm a I think my kids tell me all the

time, I'm a very forgiving person. They

go, "Mom, you're it's wild. you're just

like this person treated you this way or that way or you experienced this with this person and I try to see where it came from. What is the root of this? Why

came from. What is the root of this? Why

are they acting this way? And then

again, if I can't change it, I can't control it. I can't control somebody

control it. I can't control somebody else or their actions, right? You can't

control other people. So,

you know, you have to either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it, help communicate it, and forgive it.

[clears throat] >> I don't know. I I don't know how else that's how I live my life. M

>> and if somebody you know a lot of people are struggling and there's a lot of you know

it's it's sorry just need a second >> don't be sorry >> um okay so there are a lot of people out

there who struggle with their mental health and we don't know sometimes what the difference is because we're not inside

their brain or their body. So, who are we to say, you know, that somebody's not really struggling, sick, you know,

having a hard time? And there's so much of that. Um, not really immediate

of that. Um, not really immediate answers and help for everybody, you know, when you can't figure it out.

Sometimes you think, how do how does everybody deal with this, you know? So,

that's I don't know. I I have a lot of compassion for people that are in a family where there's mental health issues. It makes me really sad.

issues. It makes me really sad.

>> Yeah, it's something definitely trying to support and help. And I'm glad you raised it here because it's >> Oh, it makes me crazy. I mean, I sometimes I, you know, hear about people or,

>> you know, hear about what somebody's going through and I literally don't even know them and I'm in tears and it it just breaks my heart because of the

situation right now that we're in. Mhm.

>> And I think we make it worse for one another, you know, the criticism, the negativity online and um the struggle that a lot of

people have and the amount of suicide for young people.

>> Yeah. I mean, it it's truly heartbreaking and I hear stories and it just really is so upsetting and that it, you know,

I I struggle with that in my heart because I just wish there was more that we all could do just to love each other and be there for each other and maybe

there was a way that we could help in a bigger way.

>> You know, it's very confusing.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We just I literally just had the head of suicide from Harvard on the show.

>> Really?

>> Yeah. I just interviewed him maybe a month ago. Show and it was

month ago. Show and it was >> so illuminating to hear just how much help people with mental health or suicidal thoughts are even seeking.

>> But even in that just yeah just how like how hard it is and how heavy it is. And

I think >> heavy. It's so it's heavy in my heart.

>> heavy. It's so it's heavy in my heart.

And I don't have an immediate, >> you know, child or or family member that's struggling with that at the moment. And I I think about it for some

moment. And I I think about it for some reason a great deal as if, you know, maybe there's some way to >> There's a lot of things, a lot of issues

that I right now am in the process of focusing on and getting more information on. One

of them is dementia and Alzheimer's. And

that's why I love Dr. Aean so much because he's such an educator.

>> Absolutely. But the mental health thing is very confusing to me because it's so I don't

feel like at my in the chapter I'm in in my life right now that I've ever experienced this volume of people that are hurting and

struggling and yeah is it probably because our communication is enhanced with being able to see it all on the internet and you know all of that. But

it's still a lot >> and it does get very heavy >> and it heavy in my heart. It does.

>> I'm definitely offline about that to see.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, it's I feel the same way. It

was why I invited Matthew Knock from Harvard to the show. Glad you did >> because because I couldn't agree with you more. I was just hearing so many

you more. I was just hearing so many stories and learning of so many people and he told me that his friend committed suicide even when he knew his friend was the head of >> no

>> yeah we're studying that like so >> and and he said I just didn't know like we just didn't know no one knew >> no one knows >> no one knows and so >> that's what the the tragic part of it is

and there's been so many times when >> I mean even you know parents of my you know kids friends or you know there's

always one degree of separation. Um it's

you know every single person has >> something like that that or they know about it, they've heard about it, a close friend happened or right in their own family and it's devastating.

>> I know people that have lost people close to them and there's just no um closure there for a lot of people.

But how they get to that place is really a struggle.

>> Yeah.

>> Boy, can we talk about something happy?

How did we get here? [laughter] I'm

crying. I'm hysterical.

>> A mess.

>> Let's talk about Disneyland or something.

>> Are you a Disney fan?

>> Oh my god. Yes.

>> You know, it's the happiest place on earth in my head. Oh, it is. Like, I

fully drank.

>> Definitely is. I went last week with Courtney. No.

Courtney. No.

>> Oh, yeah. Small world.

>> Pirates of the Caribbean and the Haunted Mansion cuz they just opened it for Yeah.

>> And I go to Disney. I work for Disney.

[laughter] >> I want to be Snow White.

>> Yeah. All of it.

>> I love it. Yeah. I'm I'm excited to go to the Epic Universe in Universal.

>> Oh, yes.

>> They just open the They opened it with the har the new Harry Potter world and all the rest.

>> Wait, is that Disney? That's not Disney.

>> No, it's Universal. It's Universal. This

is not It's Theme Park World.

>> Oh, that's your That's your thing. That

thing.

>> Have you been to the Star Wars ride at Disneyland?

>> So good. And Disney World, too. Yeah,

it's insane. It's amazing. So,

>> Well, there you go. See, we have something else in common.

>> We do. We do. I I'm I'm completely >> I've completely drank the Kool-Aid on Disney. Me, too. It is the happiest

Disney. Me, too. It is the happiest place.

>> Every day. Happiest place on earth. Yes,

sir.

>> I love it.

>> Yes, sir.

>> Chris, when we've spoken offline, I've always been blown away by how you've when you keep talking about family, I think people think, "Oh, yeah, there's six kids,

>> right?" But to you, the family is even

>> right?" But to you, the family is even your kids exes, right? Partners, yes.

>> People like it grows. Even if

>> one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an exartner, >> you still love them as part of the unit and the family.

>> I do.

>> And that is incredible. Talk to me about how you expand that radius of care and love.

>> First of all, I believe in my heart and in my soul, love is love. And I fall in love with people and have lives and

years spent with their partners or their boyfriends or their husbands and have all these memories and travels and Christmas mornings and uh celebrations

and birthdays and all the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears, the babies. These are in most cases the

babies. These are in most cases the fathers of my grandchildren.

And I love these men. And that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times

with them. It just doesn't turn off like

with them. It just doesn't turn off like that for me. And I think that goes back to communication, um compassion forgiveness,

and moving through that so you can get to a place where they know they can always come to me. Every one of my kids exes know that they have an open door.

And I think that's how I was with my kids when they were little and I got a divorce and I got married to Bruce. And

when that happened, Robert knew that he could come walking in that back. It took

a couple years, but it was what I had learned from people that were in my life in previous years. I saw the co-parenting skills that other couples

um two peop two couples in particular but these two couples handled their experience of how they loved their kids.

It was all about the kids. Because if

you sit and berate your partner over and over and over again to the kids or your exartner, your ex-boyfriend, your ex-husband, your ex, you know, it's

their dad or it's their stepdad or their you can't do that. It really creates so much damage psychologically, emotionally physically spiritually

all of it. it it the children don't know how to process that kind of it's a grief it's a separation so my goal with my children was always

their dad comes for Christmas morning and we spend New Year's Eve together and birthdays and celebrations Robert Kardashian came to Kendall and Kylie's first birthdays and he was there

for every celebration and they called him Uncle Robert and he walked through that back door whenever he wanted knowing there would be dinner on the table at 6:00 and he was always welcome.

And it's the same way I now treat all of my kids exes, which a lot of people don't understand because if they treated them badly, but we've all dealt

with those issues internally and privately. And we don't need to talk

privately. And we don't need to talk about these things anymore. It's been

done. It's dealt with. We've done it.

We've talked about it. We all know what happened. you know, we've had it on the

happened. you know, we've had it on the show or whatever's happened in our lives. Now, it's time to grow the up, be

lives. Now, it's time to grow the up, be mature, and I love who I loved. And I

don't like what they've done. No, I

don't. But it doesn't make the love get any less overnight. And I'm there for them always. And these are the fathers

them always. And these are the fathers of my grandchildren. What would my grandkids think? you know, 20 years from

grandkids think? you know, 20 years from now if their grandmother treated their dad poorly or I wasn't loving and kind and compassionate and forgiving. So, I

teach my kids forgiveness. It's one of the biggest lessons >> that I can teach them to forgive somebody who's treated you badly and and

move on. You may not completely

move on. You may not completely forget, but you need to forgive. You

need to let it go. It's not good for your soul. It's too much pressure on

your soul. It's too much pressure on your heart, you know. And I do love them and I do love who they are and I love

their families. It's like with Travis

their families. It's like with Travis Scott. I'm close to Travis and I love

Scott. I'm close to Travis and I love his mom and his dad and his sister and his brother. Um I they're family to us

his brother. Um I they're family to us and we share celebrations together. And

same with Tristan who comes walking in the back door and has you know, hey mom, what's up? You know, I'm like, okay. So,

what's up? You know, I'm like, okay. So,

they're always around and they and we embrace them.

>> You said that before you start something, you pray.

>> I do.

>> Wondering what is what is that prayer?

It's dear God, please, you know, s surround me with your angels if I'm doing something that's dangerous or when

I go to bed at night and just help me to see that what you want me to see and be the the person that I need to be today

and just help me through these difficult times. or I come to God in my prayers

times. or I come to God in my prayers with lots of gratitude and thankfulness for the life that I have or just the ability to help somebody else because I

think giving back is so important and my girls and I talk a lot about that and just that we've been given so much >> and to whom much is given you know much

is required >> and that to me is something that I was taught very young and I just pray about

safety. I pray about peace not only in

safety. I pray about peace not only in my heart but in the world. I pray about my family constantly and their safety and the grandkids and you know all the

things. And I really,

things. And I really, it's important to me to calm myself before something important and really think about it and be

thoughtful about it and be prayerful about it and then be grateful for it.

>> It's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that with us.

>> That's my routine every day. But I I wake up with a prayer. Thank you for waking me up. Thank you for giving me another beautiful day. show me how you

want me to spend my time today and help me through these 75,000 meetings and Zooms I have to do [laughter] and then thank you for protecting me tonight when I go to sleep and bringing

me some peace >> and so I can recharge and be there for somebody else because if you don't >> get yourself ready for and get that

energy going for the next day, you're going to your tank is going to be empty.

and I can't really run on an empty tank.

>> Yeah. Well said. Well said. Is Is there a truth that you feel or a lesson is there a lesson, Chris, that you feel life has had to teach you the hard way?

>> I think that the challenges are growth.

I think um when I go through something that's really hard, I have to remember to be grateful for it. And I have to remember that it's part of the process

and it's what got me here. Because by

the way, if you just started your adult life at 18 and just got everything you wanted, I think that it would be a very different life. It would be full.

It would be harder at the end of the day, but I love the things that I' I wouldn't change anything that I've been through because it's taught me so much.

so many things in my life, decades worth of things, you know, that you think back and I think what were the hardest the hardest times, you know, and those are

the times that really I think for me personally, I experience the most growth >> as a person. And believe me, I've made so many mistakes and I've, you know, I'm

not always right and I I have to apologize to somebody, you know, all the time if I mean, you know, I'm I'm human and I'm definitely not perfect and I'm

flawed, but I just try to learn something a little bit different and be a little bit better every day. M what's

what's a lesson that you feel you're really realizing right now in your 70 years that's kind of at the forefront of your mind? A principle or a lesson that

your mind? A principle or a lesson that >> There's probably a couple. I'm trying to be more patient. I'm trying not to lose my temper over things that don't matter

and that I can't control >> because I know that I have a purpose. I

know that I have this beautiful life and this beautiful family. So, just relax.

When you can't control something, who cares? It's not going to change

who cares? It's not going to change anything. Me getting upset

anything. Me getting upset isn't going to change a thing.

>> I can renegotiate. I can talk to somebody calmly. I can try to deal with

somebody calmly. I can try to deal with things that the challenges that come up daytoday. Um, and if I can't control it,

daytoday. Um, and if I can't control it, I've got to let it go. I've got to say to myself, okay, you know, it's funny.

Do you know Dr. Aean? Yeah, of course.

Yeah, he's been on the show four or five times.

>> Oh, I love him so much. So, I talked to him from time to time and he said, "What's on your mind today?" And I said, "You know what's on my mind is I keep

thinking I I'm a complainer." And I've my daughter Chloe has really brought this to my mind, top of mind, and said, "Mom, you've got to stop complaining about nothing. Like, you have the most

about nothing. Like, you have the most beautiful life." And I go, "I know.

beautiful life." And I go, "I know.

You're right. I'm a control freak." So,

when you're a control freak, like my idea of a great Saturday afternoon is rearranging my drawers. It It gives me peace. It helps my brain. It helps me to

peace. It helps my brain. It helps me to get or like I'm a very organized girl.

So, to reorganize everything just to I don't know, blow off some steam. Helps

me to relax. It's my form of zen. So

when I can't control something it I get annoyed >> like the littlest things like why did that person do like that doesn't even make any sense. So common sense isn't

very common as we all know right >> so I always say that and so Dr. Aean said I'm going to give you the rule of 12. He goes you have to wait until

12. He goes you have to wait until something goes wrong for the 12th time and then you can let loose.

>> And I said oh I love that. So of course somebody forgets a bag so we have to wait you know whatever half hour for somebody to go back drive somewhere then somebody forgot a passport [laughter]

then you know it went like that for a while right and one by one okay number one and I just smiled you know tried to breathe number two okay I'm going to

distract myself I'll get on Instagram or something right then number three you know and I kept trying to distract myself from being cranky got to number 12 and I thought, "Okay,

next one. I I'm going to, you know,

next one. I I'm going to, you know, shit's going to hit the fan." And of course, number 13 came and I just went, "Okay."

"Okay." And it really helped to [laughter] put me in my place a little bit, like nothing's this serious. Like, why are you complaining? What do you have to

you complaining? What do you have to complain about?

>> Yeah. And then just trying to find your peace, inner peace, where you feel like we've all had days. I know

everybody's had the day that they wake up and they realize today is such a great day.

>> Like everything's going right. My

family's healthy. I have money in the bank. I can pay the rent. I, you know, I

bank. I can pay the rent. I, you know, I this relationship is going really well.

and I have lots of friends and everything's just coming up roses and that's the feeling that I love to have and recognize when it comes along.

>> Yeah.

>> So that feeling of gratitude and gratification and just thankfulness like thank you God for all of these wonderful things. But it's not just about oodles

things. But it's not just about oodles and oodles of blessings. It's about a feeling.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you know what I mean? It's about

really recognizing how special that is.

And sometimes it doesn't come along every single day.

>> No.

>> So, you have to appreciate it.

>> Yeah. You've got to look for it. You got

to find that feeling.

>> You do.

>> Yeah. You got to find that feeling.

>> You have to find that feeling and then really kind of just, you know, let it sink in.

>> Yeah. You're reminding me there's a tool that I love. It's called the perspective scale. And

scale. And >> so if you looked at your life from 0 to 10, >> zero is the way you feel when you wake up and everything's amazing >> and 10 is you wake up and the worst

thing possible could happen. Are you all the opposite >> right >> now? If you looked at the today's

>> now? If you looked at the today's problem of someone forgetting their bag to the airport, >> it's like a two on that list >> because compared to the worst day ever, it's nothing. But

it's nothing. But >> when you don't have that perspective, everything's a 10.

>> Everything feels like a 10. like the

meeting that fell through, the person that didn't show up. The the text you got that you didn't want. It's like

everything's a nine or a 10. And when

you look at it in perspective, you go, "Oh, actually that's just a one.

>> That's a one.

>> It's a two.

>> It's a you know, whatever it is." And it just lets you what you're saying.

>> You can't control it. What are we going to do? Just get oursel all twirled up.

to do? Just get oursel all twirled up.

>> Yeah.

>> No, I can't do that anymore. I'm too I want to protect my peace. And it's part of what I talked to Dr. aiming about is protecting my peace >> and just showing more kindness and more

generosity and more just being the kind of person like my grandmother used to say you better treat others the way you want others to treat you know and so of course and also she always said if you

don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all and that's what I want to plaster across my Instagram [laughter] page >> it's such a different world

>> it's a great rule to Great rule. They

still hold true all these decades later.

>> All these cliches.

>> They all do.

>> They all do.

>> Absolutely.

>> I know. I have a lot of them. And And

no, I mean, you know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I mean, all those silly ones. And

drink. I mean, all those silly ones. And

my kids make fun of me all the time, but >> cuz you say it to them.

>> I'm oldfashioned. Yeah.

>> Well, though, I was about to say, just so just so everyone knows how organized Chris is. She came here 35 minutes early

Chris is. She came here 35 minutes early today. Like 35 minutes early. No one

today. Like 35 minutes early. No one

does that. and Kendall, Kim, and Chloe never been late to the podcast, never been late to an event, a dinner. Like,

it's just everyone operates so professionally. There's so much respect

professionally. There's so much respect for everyone else's time and energy.

>> Yeah. And it's and it comes from that place. It's not just a checkbox. It's

place. It's not just a checkbox. It's

like whenever I've spent time with anyone, whether it's with Kim and Chloe in India or, you know, whatever it may be, everyone's always on time and the energyy's right and everyone's excited and there's

>> excited to be there. excited to be there >> and to be I love the girls because they love to build other people up >> and they have this great group of friends and to look at these humans that

you know I you know just just so very proud >> of the women and the man that they become because they make me so happy and

they have you know very happy lives because they have each other >> I mean not everybody can have six kids but [laughter] it's a a lot of people to raise, but it certainly it makes for a

really, >> you know, amazing family.

>> How did you make sure you got to know them all individually and intimately in a way that you could guide them towards their passions and help them find it?

Because that's such an individual process. It's such a personal thing.

process. It's such a personal thing.

kids.

>> I think with the first four, I was lucky enough to not be working through the pregnancies or raising them when they

were small. And I took that time and

were small. And I took that time and then later when I was, you know, I really came into this

growth and and you know, television success when I was 52 when we started our show.

>> Wow. I think realized that.

>> I know. And people by the way thought that we just sort of appeared out of nowhere and I had a life for me a couple decades, several decades that I was very

immersed in Hollywood and knew everybody and had this beautiful life with Robert and then Bruce at the time and you know

just had this glorious you know life together with my kids and really experienced so much with them from when they were babies And they were always

doing things and in sports and we went to everything and you know it was just a typical childhood for them that they were involved in everything and we were

right there you know as you know having a front row seat to their childhoods >> and that makes a big difference you know

when you're just all in a thousand% I had some friends who didn't experience what I experienced and the difference in the outcome in how

their kids were raised versus, you know, there are differences. It's like, and it's not just about somebody who throws themsel into, you know, one of their

kids. It's definitely how a child's

kids. It's definitely how a child's makeup is, you know, you know, they're individuals. But what was so fascinating

individuals. But what was so fascinating for me was how different every every single child was. It's like I had my first baby

child was. It's like I had my first baby and you don't know what to expect with number two. One is like one, two is like

number two. One is like one, two is like 20 >> for me. That's how it was for me. And it

was very overwhelming to have two. And I

thought, "Oh, what's one more?" You

know, and then it just kept going. But I

think what you don't expect and what people would say to me at the time, people that were my age but didn't have any kids or one kid, and they would say, "Wow, are how are they so different?"

Mhm.

>> And they were just obviously had their own, you know, amazing personalities and all the things that come with that and just learned each one little by little.

>> Yeah.

>> And just were part of each other's, you know, obviously DNA, but it truly like they're just the biggest part of my heart. M

heart. M >> but it's it's so interesting to hear that that having that time with each of them >> and having that quality time in those early days and I assume you'd built up the skills by the time you had Kendall

and >> Kylie had a break.

>> Yeah.

>> I had like an 8-year break in there. And

so when I had Kendall, not only had the world changed and the, you know, I mean, there was a time, I mean, I had a good solid decade when I had like three high

chairs lined up and, you know, strollers and two car seats and and then I went through um a stage of having a little bit of a break with being pregnant and

then started all over again and everything changed. There were

everything changed. There were telephones, there were computers. It was

huge, a huge change in how everything worked.

>> And 1995 came along and Kendall was born. And then I really had another

born. And then I really had another chance at sort of continuing my family with Kendall and Kylie and thought, "Oh, now we need another one." Because you don't

want Kendall to grow up [clears throat] kind of so far apart in the gap. So, we

had another one and Chloe was like my angel because Chloe really helped me.

She was 10 maybe or 11 and she really helped me with Kendall and Kylie because now at this point I've got a full-time job and I've got to figure out how to

keep the lights on truly. And I thought, "Oh, this is like so from morning till night working and trying to make it, you

know, a career." Um, was very interesting. And that little Chloe was

interesting. And that little Chloe was like a little mama's helper with everything with feeding and bath time and, you know, [clears throat] helped me babysit on the weekends. I was in the

house. I was in my office but you know

house. I was in my office but you know if I said you guys play out here I'll be right you know but with such a great set of hands and such a she gave everything to those girls.

>> Wow.

>> And really helped me with that. So that

I'll always be grateful. That was just natural for her. Like that was natural.

That was her natural >> maternal energy that she had.

>> I could have called Chloe at 10 years old and said we're having folks for dinner tonight. Can you just throw a on

dinner tonight. Can you just throw a on a little something for dinner and set the table for eight 10 people? She would

have [laughter] nailed it. I mean, she was something

nailed it. I mean, she was something else. She still is. She's just

else. She still is. She's just

remarkable, that kid. So beautiful.

>> But yeah, so you know, if I hadn't had the older ones to really help me with the younger ones, it would have been a lot more difficult. But that's what great big families are. So

>> that's why they're so special.

>> Look, you're promoting big families, Chris. That's the uh that's the idea.

Chris. That's the uh that's the idea.

>> Come on, everybody. Get out there and have some kids.

>> Have some kids.

>> Yeah, that's what we need.

>> It seems so thoughtful though, like you were like, "All right, I don't want Kendall to be the last one who's left alone and so we'll have another one."

Like there's there's so much thought.

It's intentional.

>> It was very intentional.

>> Very intentional.

>> Yeah. I didn't want somebody to be left without their like it was Courtney and Kimberly and then it was Khloe and Rob who were still connected at the hip.

They're both all of them. And then it's Kendall and Kylie.

>> Yeah. So they all had their little I had different litters, [laughter] but but they had different pals, you know. It

was It's really And I just I felt really good about that.

>> Yeah.

>> Mhm.

>> I love that. What's uh let's let's go through the kids and go. One thing that each of them have taught you.

>> Oh, okay. Courtney

>> taught me probably how to be a mom. M

>> she was my first born and she was you know she gave me a run for my money because she was very calicky >> and um that was interesting and very

challenging for you know those long nights and all of that. So that was like, oh, okay, this is what it's like.

Okay. And you would do anything to make her life and and have her feel better. And

you know, this little tiny thing that was, you know, really had an upset tummy for nine months at least. And then I wanted to do it again. Kim taught me

multitasking [laughter] and Khloe taught me um probably oh I mean they all taught me love

>> but Chloe united everybody and taught me a lot about how grateful I was for humor

because she was so funny. And then um Rob the same Rob was just a joy but he was the boy you know Robert Kardashian

senior came from a big Armenian family and they were praying for a boy from day one. So you know it was always

one. So you know it was always you know I hope it's the boy hope it's the boy and it's going to be Robert Jr. blah blah blah. And I was like, "Okay,

it's a girl." You know, another girl, another girl. And um and so when Robert

another girl. And um and so when Robert was born, it was like all the Armenians were rejoicing. They were [laughter] my

were rejoicing. They were [laughter] my mother and father-in-law were so happy and all their friends. And I remember she ran to the hospital with this beautiful broo, diamond brooch that she

gave me. And I was, you know, it was so

gave me. And I was, you know, it was so joyful and it was like New Year's Eve, you know, and it was a

celebration. So that was really special

celebration. So that was really special and it taught me a lot about their culture and how to celebrate on another level and all of the experiences that

because suddenly when Robert was born the Armenian side of my in-laws really kicked in over at my house, >> you know, it's like we're going to make, you know, these Armenian meals and I'm

going to show and we trying to teach the kids to speak a little Armenian, >> which, you know, didn't go that far.

[laughter] they're not fluent or anything, but it was a lot of fun >> to learn about that and finally to have the boy that they had been hoping for for all that time.

>> And then um so that was joyful. He

taught me a lot about um what that meant and what you know having probably what they considered, you know, more of the head of the family because I had a son

and what that was like. That was just such a beautiful experience to have a boy. And then Kendall, I think, taught

boy. And then Kendall, I think, taught me a lot about patience and serenity because I had two miscarriages before I had Kendall

>> and that taught me a lot because you think you're invincible. I'm just going to pop out another baby and then you don't and it becomes a little

bit of a a struggle. Um, but when she came, you know, it was just so amazing too and it made me realize how appreciation

>> I think a lot of that lesson too was how much I appreciated and then sat in awe of all the other times I had done it and thought, "Wow, this is not just so easy

for everybody." And by that time when

for everybody." And by that time when Kylie came along, I also appreciation and just joy and I got gestational diabetes very

>> wow >> badly and I gained about 100 pounds and that was hard. And it taught me a lot

about patience and um it taught me a lot about being healthy and healthy choices.

And the world was changing. And a lot of my friends at the time, we were all in our 40s. I had Kendall when I was 40 and

our 40s. I had Kendall when I was 40 and I had Kylie when I was 41. And that when you do that in your life after having

four other children, that's a very um you know, it's a it's a decision you're making. It's very intentional.

making. It's very intentional.

>> Yeah.

>> And you don't just accidentally pop up and get, at least for me, get pregnant for no reason. And so it was very intentional to add to my family.

>> And Kylie taught me a lot about being grateful and having gratitude for all of my children because the now that I'm in my 40s, a lot of my friends were

also in their 40s and everybody was struggling with infertility that hadn't had a baby yet. And here I was on my, you know, fifth and sixth and, you know, and some people were really struggling

and I thought, wow, so grateful that this had been this this was my journey.

>> So I feel like very grateful for that.

>> That's beautiful. So sorry for your loss. I mean, those two miscarriages.

loss. I mean, those two miscarriages.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, I've had a lot of my friends in the last 12 to 24 months have experienced miscarriages and I feel like people are starting to talk about it a bit more now.

>> It you grieve. Yeah,

>> it's a terrible thing that you do because it's so um silent almost. You

know, it happens and people go, "We're so sorry." And I carried that for

so sorry." And I carried that for months, months and months. You know, you still think about it from time to time, but um don't dwell on it at all. Just

grateful that I am and I got to have my journey and my experience and my kids are thriving health-wise

at the moment. So, you know, you just have to be there and support and love on the friends that you that go through

that. And that that was a lot of my

that. And that that was a lot of my friends were experienced around that time.

>> Yeah.

>> And um that was real that was a >> a big moment for me during those years.

Not it wasn't a moment. was several

years of just just trying to be there and being supportive and being a friend and trying to go to doctor's appointments and you know doing

different um versions of IVF and all these different medical but by the way we're just becoming something that worked in those years like it was very

still very new and 30 years ago almost 30 years ago um and I just always would hold my breath when one of my friends

would get pregnant again, you know, that it experienced loss in such a difficult way and praying and then every time one of my girlfriends would have a baby

after a long journey, I would go to the hospital and we would celebrate and it was just Yeah. was I remember doing that quite a few times.

>> Yeah. So anyway,

>> yeah. No, thank you for sharing that.

It's I think it's going to be useful for a lot of people to hear that because it's I don't I don't think it's ever going to get easier when people go through something. It's it's always

through something. It's it's always going to hurt and knowing that others are going through it is probably the only thing that >> helps.

>> It's devastating to people that have tried for so long to have a baby and ju it just doesn't happen for them. And

that used to break my heart because I always experienced the joy and the joyful part of it. I never really had

the side that ended very sadly. I had I mean I had a couple of experiences that was you know traumatizing to say the least at the time but I went on with a

happy ending and some people don't get that happy ending and that always used to break my heart >> you know to have anybody struggle with that but now my goodness there's so many

amazing you know ways to overcome just due to all the new technology all the things they're doing now and the way

people are um using surrogates. Yes,

>> that's such a wonderful gift to be able to give someone. I used to think when I was really young and not thinking it through after I had a couple kids, I

said I would I was watching something on TV once about a surrogate. And by the way, we're talking 1980s and I used to think I would do this for somebody if

somebody like it would I would do this.

And then, you know, then a few minutes later you're like, "Chris, snap out of it." [laughter]

it." [laughter] But no, I I used to think that truly >> I used to think that would be a great thing to do. So, I really do admire

women who give their life to somebody for a couple of years basically of helping them carry a baby. I just shout out to anybody who's ever been a

surrogate. What a beautiful sacred gift.

surrogate. What a beautiful sacred gift.

M and now from your position of having this wisdom and being in this place in your life, what's a piece of advice or wisdom that you're sharing with each of the kids? What's the different lens or

the kids? What's the different lens or direction that you're giving each of them right now?

>> I think be kind, treat each other with love and kindness and everyone that you encounter. And you never know what

encounter. And you never know what somebody's been through or what they're going through at the moment or that day.

And if people are, you know, cruel and nasty. We talk about that a lot lately,

nasty. We talk about that a lot lately, just about the, you know, the way um people can get worked up online and

some of the negative energy there and just really trying to not listen to the noise. Don't read that kind of stuff and

noise. Don't read that kind of stuff and try to be more joyful and just to be there for one another because all we have is each other.

>> That's all we've got. It goes by so fast. And it's it's especially when you

fast. And it's it's especially when you have kids, you realize how fast time goes by.

>> And Kylie shared in our group chat, our family group chat, a picture of Stormmy yesterday. And I haven't seen her in a

yesterday. And I haven't seen her in a week. And I was shook. I was like, "This

week. And I was shook. I was like, "This is just going by so fast. She's, you

know, she grew a foot. What h what's happened here?" So, I think just to

happened here?" So, I think just to appreciate the moment, drown out the noise as much as you can and love each other as hard as you can because you

only have this one life and it goes by really fast.

>> Yeah. You've you keep talking about in this interview this drowning out the noise and >> there being so many disturbances.

>> You have to >> Yeah.

>> because there's so much going on. I have

so much incoming constantly in my life.

You know, there's always something to look answer to look at a contract, have a Zoom, do a beautiful podcast. There's

always so much to choose from and so many beautiful things we can do, but there's also a lot of it's work, but it's stuff we need to do or it's

conflict or it's um something you need to deal with personally. There's always

something, you know, going on during the day. And I think you have to edit

day. And I think you have to edit edit your life and really focus on what you want to put your energy into, put

your heart and your soul into, put your love into, and then edit what you can get rid of to find some joy and some peace

>> in all of it. And through all of that, >> be grateful. What I love learning about you more and more the more time we spend together is that I feel like you're this

incredible powerhouse, amazing business person, incredible strategy, but at the heart of it there's this really soft, loving, soulful, you know, individual.

And is that how you see yourself when you feel most seen for people who know you the deepest and the best?

>> Yeah.

>> How did they see you? What did they see?

I think the way you described, anyone who knows me knows I'm just a big baby and I'm a big softy and I cry at commercials. I literally have it right

commercials. I literally have it right under the surface at all times. But then

I go to work and I'm like, "Okay, let's hear you." [laughter]

hear you." [laughter] No, I I'm really not. that I'm, you know, I love what I do and I know that through experience and time and, you know, just all the things we've been

through, >> you know, I try my best every day and try to get through the day with as much

integrity and the best character I can, you know, put out there and be myself and do what I think is right and teach

my kids to be good human beings and my grandkids and just have so much fun and enjoy every minute and yeah.

>> Yeah, you did it right, Chris.

>> I don't know, you know, listen, I make a lot of mistakes throughout my life and during the day and you know, all of it, you know, just like everybody does.

>> That's normal then. But I think if we just go out there and put our best foot forward, like my mom used to say, my grandma used to say, and do our very best and be the best sink scrubber

[laughter] you can possibly be, you're going to be okay.

>> I love that. Chris, we end every on purpose interview the final five.

>> Okay.

>> These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. So you

have a sentence for each.

>> Okay. I'm responding to your word. Yeah,

I'll ask you a question. You can have a sentence. You can have a sentence. So,

sentence. You can have a sentence. So,

Chris Jenner, these are your final five.

The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

>> Lead with your heart.

>> Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

>> Probably somebody telling me how to raise my kids and then I do the exact opposite. And I

I think I did >> because you disagree with it. Yeah.

>> What was some of that bad advice? Like

what kind of things did people say?

just, you know, when you're going through life and people are telling you, you know, different ways to just, you know, approach a problem and how they would handle it. Um, and I've always

just done my own thing.

>> Yeah. I think you have to really go with your intuition and your gut when you're raising kids or you know any any real important decision that you

make in your life.

>> You have to follow what your m like your your soul tells you to do. And I've been really I think intuitive you know about what I think is right and wrong.

>> Mhm.

>> Question number three. What do you feel your soul is here to experience? Right

now, >> I think I have a strong purpose in raising my family and raising great kids and

created a legacy that I pass on to my grandchildren and their children and just showing and learning from one another,

my family. I think it's all about my

my family. I think it's all about my family.

>> Yeah. I was born to be a mom and help them find their passion, their truth, their joy, their their legacy. And so I

I have a lot of I'm so proud of that.

That gets to be my purpose.

>> That's so it's so clearly what it feels like you were born to do.

And >> I feel like that. Yeah.

>> I feel so strongly.

>> And it's amazing that you're thinking about not only your grandkids, but their kids and >> Oh, yeah. like you you really do think about multigenerational.

I think I'm a very um sentimental person >> and I made an app for my family that we have all of our home movies from the

time they were born and they're up on the screen and I try to think of really interesting things to give them about their childhood and you know how the what they can do for their kids and you

know it's just it all comes back to the kids >> the grandkids and celebrating is celebrating anything is so special in my family.

>> And being able to celebrate >> Christmas and Thanksgiving and Halloween and Fourth of July and Valentine, like everybody's birthday, >> it's every month there's something

really big that happens around our our crew.

And I think just having that joy and that to look forward to if it's just being together and like you were saying, you're celebrating your special time with your wife >> coming up. Yeah.

>> And that's something that you're looking forward to and you can't wait.

>> We feel like that all the time because there's so many of us.

>> Totally. And so my purpose here is to be this, you know, conductor of [laughter] all of the stuff and to teach it to all of them

>> and then they'll teach it to their kids and their kids will teach it to their kids. And you know, just the tradition,

kids. And you know, just the tradition, the sentimental times, the memories, the scores of photos that I used to put into albums before there was ever an iPhone.

And you know, that all means so much.

>> Yeah. Question number four. You are

obviously there for all of them.

>> What do you still go to your mother for?

Who's 91?

>> Everything. I talk to her every day on the phone. Really? We help each other

the phone. Really? We help each other with what we're going to watch. She

loves dine as much as I do.

>> So, we're like, "What murder mystery are we going to watch tonight?" And then she'll say, "Okay, I was sad today. So,

we're going to watch a comedy." And

we'll say, "Okay, which one?" And so, we have great fun just, you know, doing that together. Even though we're she

that together. Even though we're she lives a mile from my house, >> I try to get her to move in with me, but she refus she's so independent, which I

admire and love, you know, and she lives part-time in La Hoya down in near San Diego.

>> Mhm.

>> And she's got beautiful views, so she sends me photos every day of how much she appreciates the ocean and her surroundings. And, you know, we just

surroundings. And, you know, we just have great fun together.

>> Yeah.

>> She's 91 now, right? 91.

>> It's amazing.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's beautiful what she passed down. Your grandmother passed down.

down. Your grandmother passed down.

>> Oh, >> it's like it's it's already been >> three. Did they have that as well or

>> three. Did they have that as well or were they the ones to start it off? Your

>> I think my grandmother started it, right? She started off, right? Yeah. So,

right? She started off, right? Yeah. So,

lucky me.

>> It's already been five generations.

Lucky me.

>> It's amazing.

>> Mhm.

>> Fifth and final question, Chris. We ask

this to every guest who's ever been on the show.

>> Okay. Okay. The question is, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

>> Love one another.

>> Simple.

>> Simple.

Why do we find it so hard?

>> I don't know.

I don't know. But that's mine.

>> That's my advice.

>> I'm so grateful to you for your time, your energy, uh, you know, sharing your soul. I I'm waiting now. All I was

soul. I I'm waiting now. All I was thinking about this whole time while you were speaking, I was like, we need a Chris memoir. Like, we need a all of

Chris memoir. Like, we need a all of these incredible stories of you scrubbing that doughut floor and the glaze off the floor.

>> I am the best doughut glaze scraper, >> sink washing. And in the US, >> we need we need a memoir from from the uh from the matriarch. You know, we need we need a memoir. You know, they're

silly stories and something that, you know, most people won't, you know, think are significant, but they were growing up >> and, you know, that's everybody's life

is so different and that's, you know, part of mine. So, I'm grateful for every moment.

>> Yeah. Well, you impact millions of people across the world. [laughter] And

so, your story matters for people to know how you became who you became. And

I'm grateful that we could share that chapter here and >> celebrate your upcoming 70th birthday and just so grateful for you, your family and >> we're grateful for you

>> and I'm proud of you for spreading all the messages you spread around the world. and everybody listens to you and

world. and everybody listens to you and gets such strength and knowledge and comfort and hopefully turns their lives around in some way.

And that's a very special position to be in. And you know that's you're a very

in. And you know that's you're a very special man. So thank you for all that

special man. So thank you for all that you give to everybody in the world including me and my family. So thank

you.

>> Thank you Chris. You're the best.

>> If you love this episode you'll enjoy my interview with Dr. Daniel Aemon on how to change your life by changing your brain.

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