Law Merchant & Notices of Liability | Cal Washington

Ignorance is you know ignorance of the law is no excuse. That's a legal max.

Once you step out of fear now you are able to think clearly because fear states are always fight or flight and you your cognitive ability actually

shuts off physiologically like you're there's something around fear in particular that is really important to understand and not do whatever it takes

to educate yourself to get out of that.

Welcome everyone. I'm David Greenberg and I'm the founder and managing director of the Freedom Studio. And um

we have a very special guest today. As

you guys know, I don't do a lot of interviews. It's not we don't really do

interviews. It's not we don't really do a podcast, but from time to time we do want to bring on special guests. And

today's special guest is Cal Washington.

and Cal, I consider you uh an ally in our uh respective endeavors. I mean, I consider you also an educator. You're

obviously a freedom activist in your own way and you are the founder of Empower Movement, which I'm sure we're going to hear more about as we get into this

interview. So, you've got a lot of great

interview. So, you've got a lot of great stuff going on. I've I've had a chance to watch um many of your interviews.

This is actually the first time we're meeting. So,

meeting. So, >> yeah, >> definitely look forward to what we're going to discuss today. And uh I just first of all, I just want to thank you for joining us and welcome.

>> Yeah, I'm honored to be here. You know,

I'm always honored to and um yeah, you know, looking forward to this as well.

We kind of missed we had a little bit of a miscommunication, but uh been looking forward to this one. and I did go on your website and kind of got an idea of what you know what was available of you

know what you're about and everything.

So yeah, it's good. I'm looking forward to this.

Awesome. That's great. And one other thing I'm going to kind of mix up here.

So the order of the questions might seem a little unusual and I'm doing that.

That's just my style, but it's also I know you've done a lot of interviews and so I want to kind of mix it up a bit.

So, frankly, it doesn't get boring and we can, you know, maybe potentially take this in different directions while still focusing on obviously what's most important. So, hopefully you'll enjoy

important. So, hopefully you'll enjoy that approach.

>> Yeah.

>> Awesome. So, let's just dive in with a very specific question just to kind of get us going here. Um,

in your work you talk and work extensively with notices of liability.

So, I'd just like to ask you to share with us what exactly is a notice of liability and why should someone who's desiring to be free and sovereign, why

should they care?

>> Well, a notice of liability is number one, a notice. So notices work in multiple jurisdictions

and um they are very powerful. You can

be held uh responsible for whatever is underneath that word notice. So you'll

see them in parking lots. That's a

that's a good way to to uh see how it works. You'll see a notice, a big sign

works. You'll see a notice, a big sign that's up conspicuous. It'll say notice at the top, and we usually just ignore that word, but it's telling you

something. You need to take notice. If

something. You need to take notice. If

you park here, it's $2. If you don't pay the $2, we will tow your car.

So, you know, the lot is just the earth and you can you can park there, but because that notice is there, you are obligated to pay the $2 or you will have your car told and you can't say that

they stole it.

Now, if that was just a if you were out in the in the woods and you parked your car there and there was no notice and somebody took your car, that's car theft.

So, it's the notice that lets you know, you know, this may appear like there's nobody here to, you know, but you've got

to go to the machine and get put your $2 in the machine and get it get a, you know, little slip and stick it on your windshield so we know what you paid.

It's not a it's not man, but the notice uh creates that agreement. So So that's what a notice is. The notice of

liability is just a um uh a type of notice because what we found with the smart meters is is the they were causing

harm. Uh a friend of mine did a movie

harm. Uh a friend of mine did a movie called Take Back Your Power. And part of that research he was finding there were certain people that were having symptoms

that seem to correlate with the meter change from the from their hydro company. And so like what's going on

company. And so like what's going on here? Why do why are we getting so many

here? Why do why are we getting so many people that are having nose bleeds and headaches and all these uh things that seem to correlate with that? So it turns

out that the smart meters are are wireless and and causing some problem.

So it stemmed um the notice of liability stemmed from that. And so when we were

that. And so when we were when I was asked if I if there's something I can do about the smart meters. I didn't know anything much

meters. I didn't know anything much about the meters themselves, but I understood the mechanism what they were doing. They were giving notices on your

doing. They were giving notices on your hydro bill and little door hangers.

Notice we are going to be changing your meter and then they that's it. And so

people just either ignored that or just you know just whatever. But they were entering into an agreement to have that meter changed just like they parked. So

I could see that cuz I'd been down the road a little bit. And so we just flipped that and said your meter is causing harm. you need to prove it's

causing harm. you need to prove it's safe or if you put it on my house now I there's going to be liability and that's going to be in a monetary uh form. So we

get them in the we continue the agreement to where if they're putting the meter up putting the meter on our h on on our home then we're going to charge them $20,000 a day for it to be there.

>> Excellent. So, we talk a lot about notices in our work and in in the equity process that we deal with a lot where we it's all based on notice pleading. So,

it sounds like the way you described it, notices are really a way to gain consent. It's almost like making an

consent. It's almost like making an offer and and making it clear that an offer has been tendered or placed um or certain conditions have been set in

motion. And like you said, if there

motion. And like you said, if there isn't a response or a counter response, it's basically consent to whatever that those conditions are. Is that what would you say about that?

>> Yeah. So, it's called either tacid agreement or agreement by performance.

So, you can if you park your car, you you have agreed. Um if you don't if you don't respond, then you've agreed. This

is all all old law merchant um customs. And so this is to make commerce move quicker quicker. You can't have um

quicker quicker. You can't have um common law mirror agree u contracts on every transaction that happens in the world. It would bog down if you had to

world. It would bog down if you had to go and okay I want another one of those you know 50 more shirts. Uh yeah okay I will give you 50 more shirts. Okay we

agreeing they're white and like it's it everything has to move much quicker. So

there's more more like agreements and past um behaviors etc all taken >> like master agreements for example.

>> Exactly. But your performance because you did it in the past it's assumed that you are agreeing to the next shipment and and for those of us of a certain age

they used to sell these um I think it was Columbia records. You would get 10 records for a penny or whatever.

>> I remember that.

>> Yeah. Well, and then so everybody's like, "Oh, I'm gonna get all these records." And and you got to pick them

records." And and you got to pick them out and then all of a sudden they started just sending you records >> and it was like in the fine print you have to pay attention that you're essentially subscribing to some kind of membership otherwise you you have to opt

out or cancel. That's right. I do

remember that.

>> Exactly. So that's the that's how that's how commerce works. they were using those uh those customs and they therefore they they're not foisting it

upon you even though that's how it feels but they you are they're using actual um lawful agree like lawful processes.

>> Yeah. And they're counting on the fact that and this goes back in context to what it means to be sovereign is they are counting on you properly managing your affairs and in other words that if

you agree to something. This kind of goes to the deeper level of you know of sovereignty um that you know that you know that tacid approval is a

thing and you know that if you if you ignore something well that just that's equivalent to consenting like they're assuming that you already know that.

>> Correct. uh and and they continue to operate that way. Would you would you what would you say about that?

>> Absolutely. The I think they turned us into merchants with the birth certificate so that they could use these customary

um quicker transactional uh processes on us and and our ignorance is you know ignorance of the law is no excuse.

That's a legal maximum. So they rely on that. the information's out there and

that. the information's out there and but if you don't avail yourself of it um yeah they they they don't seem to care.

So it may look like there's, you know, there there's fraud going on and, you know, in essence it is, you know, it's deception. Fraud, I'm not sure about,

deception. Fraud, I'm not sure about, but um they're definitely relying on our ignorance and using something to their advantage because of our ignorance.

>> I've often said that they weaponize ignorance and apathy. Well, I would say ignorance, apathy, and laziness. that

this kind of mindset is um is weaponized and in a minute I'm going to ask you more for your thoughts about mindset because I think that's one of the most important topics in terms of notice of

liability. One other cur curious

liability. One other cur curious question I have is you know we have these different legal jurisdictions and you have talked about that extensively in your work at and I have as well. Do

notices of liability do they typically operate within a particular legal jurisdiction either common law or equity or can they occur in in in various jurisdictions? I mean how does that

jurisdictions? I mean how does that work?

>> Various jurisdictions. So and that's the beauty of this and we made sure that we added the jurisdictions or made some kind of reference to all of

them including statutory uh law merchant even um constitutional um admiral t equity all of them and then

spiritual jurisdictions as well. So it

it operates in all of them simultaneously. And we did a part of

simultaneously. And we did a part of part of that was to be in all the jurisdictions. And part of that is to

jurisdictions. And part of that is to so that people could relate to the document because if you just went if we just went spiritual, which is in my opinion the

the strongest one, most people wouldn't be able to relate to it and they would just go this is nonsense. But if you have statutes in there and the constitution and all that, they can kind

of go, okay, I can see why this is working. Even though a lot of that stuff

working. Even though a lot of that stuff is corrupted and there's no remedy in some of those jurisdictions, there are remedy in equity and uh in law merchant and then in particular in spiritual

jurisdictions.

>> That's interesting. That's the first time I've heard about a notice occurring across so many different jurisdictions.

Does that uh what what have you seen that to be more effective? I mean

obviously you've put this into practice now probably for several years. Uh what

are you seeing that to be more effective by doing that it that way?

>> Yes. because most people think the statuto the statutory jurisdiction is the highest jurisdiction and and if you're in court you're generally in that jurisdiction

and so they they don't understand that like if I said law merchant everybody you know they just look at me like I don't know what you're talking about

and and this happens a lot with lawyers because you know our documents get sent to their lawyers and the lawyers go there's no such thing as law merchant and then I show it in federal relax.

There's the word law merchant.

Unfortunately, you weren't taught that at your law school, but that doesn't make it non-existent.

It just means you're ignorant of the facts and ignorance of the law is no excuse. So,

excuse. So, >> going right back to that concept of weaponizing ignorance and it applies to everyone.

>> Exactly. So, we flip everything we do, we flip back on them. Um, we're taking the system and using it against the system like feeding the snake its own tail kind of thing.

>> Orus. Okay. Well, we're gonna we're going to come back to that. Um, since we talked about mindset a little bit, you know, in terms of the freedom studio and I think you saw a little bit of about

what we do and you know, mindset is a big part of it. In fact,

the way I position everything and this may be different from a lot of educators out there who are dealing with you know commercial remedy is um you cannot

bypass the mindset aspect of it and >> and so I would just love you know what is your in your opinion Cal what is the ide what is the mindset like the ideal

mindset or character or nature of the sovereign man or woman how how do what do they embody in order to truly step into to that.

>> Well, the main the main thing if you're going to like um is moving out of any kind of fear type emotion.

Um, and there's aspects of it, but we all start there in some way or other where there's fear of this government

thing or this oversight thing or whatever it is or the religious thing or you know what there's some thing that

we're kind of afraid of and that's illusionary mostly. And so we have to get out of the fear. Like once

you step out of fear, now you are um able to think clearly cuz fear states are always fight or flight and you your cognitive ability actually shuts off

physiologically like your your brain chemistry actually changes and so you're not using rational thought or anything along those lines. It's more like

reactive. I need to either run or fight

reactive. I need to either run or fight something and fighting in in the >> very binary. It's like, you know, run or fight, you know, few choices.

>> Exactly. So going in into a court situation or any kind of, you know, oppressive government situation and either running from it or fighting it is

not effective.

You need to understand where their limitations are.

and what jurisdiction are they subject to?

And you can't do that unless you're calm and can kind of see, you know, above the whole thing, you know, not in a in a weird way, but you have to kind of see

what's going on like the what is that court subject to? What rules do they are they subject to? And I need to operate there. Don't operate where they're

there. Don't operate where they're trying to keep you below them. get above

them. And that was the key for me is when I moved into Law Merchant, they didn't have a higher jurisdiction.

I hit their I hit I saw their ceiling and that's why they hide law merchant because that's it. They don't have anything else above that. And and and you can prevail there because it it it's

basically works on equity. like equity

really is law merchant more codified really in my opinion it's the same principles are in operation in law merchant so once you're there they are

really stuck they can't get above you they have to hit you you know mono ammono or merchant to merchant and they're always on the lying deceiving

cheating side and that's not going to work so the only thing they can do is move into spiritual jurisdiction And again, that whole lying thing doesn't

work in that in the in that whole in that arena, right? So that's that's all they've got. They've got us stuck with

they've got. They've got us stuck with the money ide like the idea of money and then they have law merchant to um to control us with.

>> And that's been my experience. And and

you know in terms you know for me it's overcoming the fear I think um just speaking about myself I think I've always h you know questioned authority

my whole entire life and I never took things at face value. So even from from day one, even as a young child, I wasn't really buying into a lot of things. But

it still took me some, you know, time and effort to, you know, fully master the fear and not not allow myself to to be even ridiculed for having, you know,

contrary ideas. And as you know, they

contrary ideas. And as you know, they love to use ridicule because uh people cave in a lot. So for you Cal, what what do you feel helped you to overcome that fear that allowed you to start operating

at a higher level?

>> Uh I mean I started in fear. I can

remember it. I think once I started doing commerce and the judge ran out of the room.

I was still like kind of baffled about what happened. But as we thought about

what happened. But as we thought about it, I wonder if he I wonder if he ran out because of the the document we had in there, like um a negotiable

instrument. And so then we experimented

instrument. And so then we experimented again and I had a couple other cases going on and sure enough, yeah, the the judges are

now not they're more in fear of me than I was of them. I still had the fear in there. I still had anxiety going in the

there. I still had anxiety going in the building and all that, but they had way more. And I went, "Okay,

more. And I went, "Okay, I'm on to something here. I don't know what it is, but like something's going on. I could like I can sense they're

on. I could like I can sense they're they're terrified." And so it was just,

they're terrified." And so it was just, you know, kept doing it and kept doing it and then really studying it and then learning about fear. If you if you just

do a uh like look up fear and you'll see that you know all the physiology that changes and the and what happens in your brain part of your brain shuts off another it gets more blood and all that

stuff and then it came down to you know like a when I'm pulled over by a police or something

happens like that like generally around police the chemistry would start and then I would catch it.

I'm going, "Oh, no. I'm going into fear." And I could literally decide to

fear." And I could literally decide to no, I'm not allowing this. And it would instantly reverse.

And and I started to find as that those types of things as I went through that experience there were these anomalies in the

reality miracles if you like and and I went okay is that just a coincidence but it it happened over and over and over so I went no there's

something about not going into fear and then when you read the Bible stories you you you get the same thing like fear not go there and then something would happen

that was out of the ordinary and but it always started with fear not don't go into fear. So there's something around

into fear. So there's something around fear in particular that is really important to understand and not do whatever it takes to educate yourself to

get out of that. And you know education helps just feeling a little more confident. You don't you're never going

confident. You don't you're never going to learn everything. Um, but if you learn enough where you're confident but not arrogant, just so you can calm down

and feel rationally, I think I can do this and and you'll get through it.

>> And that's a great point about the education. That's why we are the Freedom

education. That's why we are the Freedom Studio. We are first and foremost an

Studio. We are first and foremost an education organization because it, as you mentioned, cow, it is really about ongoing education and the learning never stops. No,

stops. No, >> the learning never stops as I'm sure you've realized for yourself and I think anyone who is stepping into the sovereignty um being a lifetime student

I would say is another aspect of that and knowledge can really dispel the darkness which you know we're going to feel fear I you know we're feel uncomfortable even small things um going

and saying hi to a new neighbor something as trivial as that can you know just feel a little bit awkward >> uh anything new. It's It's not so much whether you can or whether you will or

not feel it cuz you know you can obviously change your chemistry, but in the moment you feel that it's like I'm going to move I'm going to take action despite the fact that I feel that >> I'm going to move.

>> So I'm I'm nervous about doing this, but I'm still going to do it.

>> Yeah.

>> Right.

>> And you'll find that you can do it and then you get used to that and then you know one thing I mean doing interviews is not something I gravitate towards. I

would not like I don't I'm not comfortable with this whole thing. I

would never be Yeah, I want to be I want to be on camera. No, I'm like, no, I you know, I tend to shun it, but I've overcome it and I'm I'm comfortable with

it. I don't go into anxiety or fear

it. I don't go into anxiety or fear anymore. I still don't seek it out. It's

anymore. I still don't seek it out. It's

not something I I would naturally gravitate towards, but I'm used to it now. And I don't have any fear about,

now. And I don't have any fear about, you know, how am I going to know the answer to these questions? And, you

know, if I don't know something, I don't know it. And I and I admit it. I don't

know it. And I and I admit it. I don't

try and pretend like I know everything.

And I'm I'm okay with it. I'm okay with not knowing something. I will learn it.

And, you know, if it's if it's a a really good question, I Well, that's a really good question. I need to actually research that. So you know I don't come

research that. So you know I don't come across as you know knowing everything and I don't know everything and there's no way to know everything and I I don't

think anybody can achieve that except you know the creator but um but you do need to put some time in and do learn

you know whatever way you learn but always know that you're never going to get to the end of it like you just got to keep learning and learning and

learning and Don't overdo it. Be in

balance, but don't think that, okay, now I know this and and and that's enough.

Cuz I'm telling you, you'll find out there's somebody that knows something more than you and you're going to be in the back in the, you know, the dirty end of the stick. So, um, keep learning.

>> Awesome. Yeah, I appreciate your authenticity about about the interviews and the learning really truly never stops, but like you said, there has to

be a balance. If you know we don't want to get into perpetual student mode where we never take any action. So there has to be some balance of you know learning

and then applying testing this out.

>> I also acknowledge what you said about no one having all the answers. I

certainly never profess to have all the answers. I I I'm I'm sure you're the

answers. I I I'm I'm sure you're the same way. We we just collaborate. We

same way. We we just collaborate. We

come together. We exchange ideas. Um

that's why community is so important when we're taking action >> and why we've emphasized that so much because um we've got to have each other's backs, right? And we're going to be able to

right? And we're going to be able to lift each other up a little bit more effectively when we can do that. So um I I appreciate your perspective on that.

And um I want to come back to something you said here, but you also mentioned this in one of your other interviews and it caught my attention. So you brought it up here as well. You said, if I'm not

mistaken, you said the truth prevails in commerce, which if I'm not mistaken is one of the commercial maxims, like an ancient principle. um you know uh I'm

ancient principle. um you know uh I'm not sure the exact formulation of that but um that certainly makes sense visav natural law and you know the fact that

ultimately um and I and others we have often said said that we're here to serve the truth and the more we can align with truth you know the more we are going to you know be on our purpose so what are

your thought you know speak to that a minute because I think some people are coming into this who are still maybe afraid to some extent um don't realize just how powerful the truth is in commerce. So maybe you could

speak to that.

>> The truth is is is powerful in commerce but it can be manipulated.

>> So because truth can be expressed by affidavit or truth can be expressed by claim. Claim is the strongest word in in

claim. Claim is the strongest word in in their law according to Black's law dictionary. So you have to understand

dictionary. So you have to understand that truth can be established and it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. So

you but truth does pre prevail. But so

when somebody's saying something to you or making a statement or a claim, don't just you got to understand what it is that they're doing. They're using a

tactic to establish truth that may be a lie. So, you want to be able to rebut

lie. So, you want to be able to rebut that claim, assumption, or statement even and say, "No, that's actually not

true, and here's why." Bing, bing, bing, bing. And that instantly rises to the to

bing. And that instantly rises to the to the to the top. You can't deny the truth. You know, you can say that the

truth. You know, you can say that the sky is yellow, but and everybody will go, "Okay, the sky is yellow." Until

somebody says, "No, the sky is blue."

Oh yeah. And so it's kind of like the uh emperor has no clothes and a lot of what they do is is along

those lines or the Wizard of Oz. It

there's a deception there and they're portraying something as true when it's not. So you have to understand that

not. So you have to understand that truth does prevail, but you've got to bring forth the truth. You got to articulate it or express it or

demonstrate it in some way. So

because if you don't then a lie becomes the truth. There's more going on with

the truth. There's more going on with that in commerce like the truth prevails. So you've got to you got to

prevails. So you've got to you got to put forth your truth or not your truth in the way that that it's uh um

subjective. put in absolute truth as as

subjective. put in absolute truth as as much as you know it and until until a you know a greater understanding of the truth comes yours will stand.

>> Exactly. And this is why we focus a lot on on the study of natural law and which has also been part part of the what's called the occult sciences. Oult not

meaning evil but simply meaning hidden hidden knowledge. uh mainly a knowledge

hidden knowledge. uh mainly a knowledge of how we operate like our psychology.

That's why we often say know thyself as the first principle like you need to know who you are and why frankly you fall into certain traps or you know why

you're why you can be deceived rather than stepping up and that ties into the trivia. I'm not sure how familiar you

trivia. I'm not sure how familiar you are, Cal, with the trivium, but we talk a lot about it as a basically a truth discovery tool, like a way to get to the truth. And I'm talking about the truth,

truth. And I'm talking about the truth, like an objective truth that doesn't rely on your opinion or that you're not just making a claim. I get it. People

sometimes come along and say, "Well, my assertion is this." And it's like they're treating it as their local truth, and that may be the case, but I'm talking like what is objectively true,

you know, in in nature. Yeah. Absolute

truth or um yeah, objective truth, demonstrable truth. Um non you can't you know, you

truth. Um non you can't you know, you can't can't rebut it. Like it's

literally solid. And

solid. And the more you know about that and and if you um you've got to kind of go a little bit higher

because there are you know even in the system you can see little hints that there is higher there's a higher jurisdiction that nobody's talking about

you know and particular with the the king of England and and the oath that that that that you know royal family has to take. It

tells you that there's something else going on. There's another high there's

going on. There's another high there's higher contracts, higher covenants, higher um higher truth. And so if you can start to glean into that, the other

things are subject to it. And you always want to be operating in a venue that is higher than the venue you have the problem with because if you're if you

try and deal with it in the venue, it's a lot harder. You can win, but it's really hard. So if you if you go up a

really hard. So if you if you go up a jurisdiction where they're subject to the you know the venue that you're you're having the problem with in is

subject to a higher jurisdiction that's that's more a higher truth or an objective truth that they can't get around and the oaths usually tell you

that. So you know oaths are are are a

that. So you know oaths are are are a way of seeing that there is something else going on.

When you say oaths, you're talking about the oath of the judge, for example, or the parties involved, the public officials.

>> Yep. Or the president or the prime minister or whatever it is. And then

then the king um of England, which is, you know, the British Empire is not gone and is probably a third of the earth,

you know, approximately, maybe more. Um cuz we keep finding more

maybe more. Um cuz we keep finding more and more that's hidden. And so that if you see that and you can see the

reluctance on the part of the one making the oath. You see their body language.

the oath. You see their body language.

They definitely don't want to do this.

They don't they're not happy about this.

Then you go okay there's something there and they are deathly afraid of it and I need to figure out what that is and invoke that

and it and because of their pyramidical system if you get the the very top subject to something then it trickles down to the bottom and you will find

that they just don't want to deal with you anymore. You've you've hit the

you anymore. You've you've hit the >> So what why are they so afraid? What

what would get a judge to run out of the room as you said? I mean, that seems almost incredible to someone who just takes the the legal system at face value that that could even happen. I mean,

what what is striking fear in their hearts?

>> Well, at the judge level, it was just commerce.

He's going to be he is now subject to the system taking um him becoming liable because the judge

is is uh the focal point of that whole system and enforcing something on a man or a woman. It's

their signature. So the the whole thing behind them comes to that man or woman sitting on the bench. And if they don't sign something, nothing's going to happen in their world. When somebody

when somebody comes in that the system is trying to force something upon and goes, I'm going to make you liable in this other jurisdiction.

Well, now the judge is like, well, I'm not taking the hit for, you know, for the somebody else's claim and and you know, all the money's going up to the I

I'm out of here. like I'm I I'm I'm not dealing with this because their bonds only go to a certain limit and if there's another instrument in there that

has more value, more money moving than their bond covers, it's going to go to their personal assets. So they would be

personal assets. So they would be personally prejudiced like they would not be it would stop them from conducting commerce even personally

>> and not only stop them but it would um their personal assets could be seized by by a thing called the IRS which is very

adept at seizing assets. And so

it that's the fear and and it took me a while to figure it out because I'm in there going well why' the judge run out?

I thought he I thought he had stomach problems. Like I thought the way he ran out it was more like I have to go to the bathroom and I have to go urgently and I didn't know why he was running out, you know, as I'm coming in the door.

>> But he didn't say that. That was just the body language.

>> Well, he his body language is literally he fled the room running like cape flying like it was it was like they called my name. I walk

through the door and as if as it was as if I had a gun and he was running like urgently out and everybody's looking around like

what happened here? Like where'd the judge go?

There was no announcement. There was no recess. Just gone, you know? I thought

recess. Just gone, you know? I thought

it was, you know, just a bathroom issue and and I'm like, "Okay, well, what's what's going on?" I had no idea. So, I'm

like a baby with a large weapon and didn't understand it myself. So,

we thought later on, you know, as I calm down, I'm thinking, "Wow, I wonder if it had to do with that piece of paper cuz I've seen this judge, you know, a few times, he didn't act like that before and now he's acting like that." And the

only difference was we put this thing in there. Maybe this is working. What is

there. Maybe this is working. What is

it? Cuz I was just trying it, right? And

you know I had a vague idea of what it was but I wasn't expecting that kind of result. Everything I tried I got you

result. Everything I tried I got you know it wasn't not that dramatic. And so

we tried it again on another case. Same

same type of thing. You know judge stepping down. Judge gave me his

stepping down. Judge gave me his courtroom to talk to an incarcerated uh um prisoner.

um judge wouldn't call the case unless I was there as a spectator. Like on and on and on like there's so many stories that it just became no there's something

going on. I need to dive into this and

going on. I need to dive into this and figure out what's actually happening here. And so the best thing that I by

here. And so the best thing that I by reverse engineering is that I put my birth certificate with a trustee

and I was able to write um commercial instruments on that trust now and the IRS was the enforcer on it.

>> So you created a private trust something that we talk a lot about um where you were not the trustee. So you had a third someone else was your trustee. Yep.

>> The birth certificate was the res of the tr of the trust or was >> okay.

>> It's it's the it's the value and it's the the certificate. It's the um the trust indenture if you like. So it's the

it it represents the value of whatever that trust is. And now I've got a new trustee. I'm not saying it's benevolent

trustee. I'm not saying it's benevolent because it's still part of their system, but it was in a different country from where I am. I'm in Canada and and I was

using the US Treasury and they don't know each other. I didn't they didn't go to school together and you know just call it up and yeah look let's just you know wash this thing up and clean that all up. This is like oh that's a whole

all up. This is like oh that's a whole other I don't know those people and I don't know what they're going to do and this guy's here and I'm supposed to enforce something on him based on some

kind of statute and he's got a bond on here that's out bonding everybody.

I'm in trouble because it's my signature on there.

>> Wow. This is

>> everybody else that's making money.

They're not they're not they're not here in this room and their signatures aren't on it.

>> Mine is. And I only bonded to up to here.

>> And then I've got all my stuff that I worked you for as a lawyer and, you know, I got my vacation properties and my, you know, all my investments and all

that. All that's now up for grabs just

that. All that's now up for grabs just like how they grab from us.

I flipped the tables on it. Got it. And

I know this is not uh core to what you what is done with the in power movement because you're focused on very specific issues like smart meters and uh and so

forth. But this being kind of, you know,

forth. But this being kind of, you know, the core of your story dealing with the courts, you know, divorce, child support, things like that, many people are dealing with these scenarios. Do you

in any capacity or through your organization do you help people to replicate what you were able to create or or how do you approach that?

>> Not in the not in a family court situation.

It's too complicated.

There's too many variables.

And I found that as I was helping people with various things, um, income tax and foreclosures, they tended, like you said, you you got

to know yourself, they tended to bounce back in as I got them out. I would get them out and and then give them simple instructions to stay out and they couldn't follow through. And this

happened a few times, >> people that you were advising on how to do this.

>> Yes.

>> Okay. When you say they got back in, did you feel like they were just allowing themselves to be recontracted back into the court?

>> Yep.

>> With the commercial jurisdiction.

>> Yep.

>> And why was that in your estimation?

What was going on there?

>> I think something spiritual. I I think I was I was take that there's some lesson that they needed to learn or whatever it look. and I was um pulling them out of

look. and I was um pulling them out of that and they seem to bounce right like had to go back in to to learn the lesson or something like along those lines.

That's how it seemed to me because the instructions were simple a lot of times like don't take any paperwork from anybody.

>> In in Equity we talk a lot about not making any statements or claims like not testifying things like that. Would you

say that there's a kind of an alignment there where you were telling them don't, you know, don't try to make statements or claims or testify or argue or anything like that? Just stand on your door.

>> No, you don't want to do that. You you

don't want to make you can make claims if you understand what what it is you're doing. Um

doing. Um statements, you want to make affidavit type truth statements. Don't just make statements.

statements. Don't just make statements.

um claims if you if you say it's a claim and you understand that claim is the highest thing in their um in their world

um I saw it um for those that are want to follow up on this I saw it in the word demand I was doing a formal demand so I wanted to see what a demand was and

and if you look up demand in black's fourth you will see demand is the second strongest word in law next to claim name. And when I saw that and cuz claims

name. And when I saw that and cuz claims can be anything. I can claim, you know, I can just make claims of of anything. I

can claim that that that cup is blue and it's not. And I went, "Wow." So

it's not. And I went, "Wow." So

everything they're doing is a claim. And

and if you go back into the Bible story in Isaiah, I think it's 14, the uh Lucifer claimed to be God. And

there's the there's the fundamental claim that is uh operating in this world. And so that claim needs

to be rebutted and and the truth come out. And it's us that is the adjudicator

out. And it's us that is the adjudicator of that dispute if you like. And once

you understand that, then you can you can put everything in perspective and then know what to do in almost every situation because that's the underlying thing that's going on here. And we were

given dominion in here on page one. And

King Charles had to swear an oath that he's going to uphold this thing. And not

only uphold it, defend it. And then

everybody else's oaths are to him. So

you can kind of follow the, you know, the hierarchy and, you know, certain things run downhill and so you you go want to go as high as you can and

it it starts to affect everything else underneath. As above, so below is one of

underneath. As above, so below is one of their, you know, masonic tenants. And in

the Bible, it says we wrestle not with flesh and blood, with principalities.

>> That's not just a that's not not just a masonic tenant, though, Cal, just to clarify. I mean that's a universal

clarify. I mean that's a universal principle of natural law but they they definitely reference it a lot in their work.

>> Yes. Yes. So you want to feed that back to them. So they referencing it that

to them. So they referencing it that way. What what Yeshua said was thy

way. What what Yeshua said was thy kingdom come, thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. So he he

added um our f like the father as part of that process. they are um they understand the the mechanism but they

don't want to recognize the creator as the creator. They want the allseeing eye

the creator. They want the allseeing eye as the the the the top of that. That's

their >> they want to basically reign as god god in hell I guess or you know hell on earth you know their own version of of a reality knowing they can't completely

usurp natural law because it's obviously built into reality. They the best they can do is try to subvert it in some way.

>> Yeah. Or get us to get us to believe things because we are the ones who were chosen agreed upon to settle this claim.

So our thoughts, our >> our intentions, our behaviors are all a part of that court case if you like. And

and so that's why you want to move out of fear. You want to start to see things

of fear. You want to start to see things from a higher perspective. And then it it things from underneath have to comply with what what what you're what you're

doing in a in a higher jurisdiction.

And once you see that and you know that you have dominion because it's in a contract on page one of the Bible. So even if if you don't like the Bible, just read page one

because we got dominion over the land, sea, and air, which is common law, admiraly law, and spiritual law. and and

it's also solid liquid gas that's elemental.

And so it it's there's a lot there and we were given that by agreement. Now

we're being led and and swayed and you know all kinds of ideas are put into our heads and then we believe them and we've

got to start seeing you know who we are in this and what do we want to actually happen in here. not just follow the crowd

cuz the crowd is is headed for the cliff and there's definite leadings that way and that you know we've got to turn around and go the other way like you

said it's you know a few of us can start to pull this flock the other way right >> absolutely and that's again going back to what I've said and and it sounds like what you also have said many times is

you've got to you've got to start with yourself and you know when we talk about moral morality as a science rather than as a religious principle. And I do want to come back to the Bible because

there's obviously a lot there we want to talk about, you know, the Bible. So,

we're going to come back to that. But

when I talk about objective morality, I always say it's three things. 100% self-

responsibility.

So, you are responsible for your life and the consequences of what happens even when it doesn't go the way you want it to or maybe especially when that happens.

>> Yeah. Um so that's number one. Number

two is you don't harm others. So you

just go out of your way to you know minimize the amount of harm that you cause. Uh harm typically being some kind

cause. Uh harm typically being some kind of theft of something that doesn't belong to you or uh etc. And then the third of course which is really keys into what we've been talking about is

the principle of self-defense.

The third part of morality is you've got to stand up for yourself. in in the in the ancient law merchant I think it was called you know a matter must be expressed to be resolved

>> you got to speak up >> basically what what do you have to say about that cow >> absolutely that goes back to the whole claim thing if if if they're saying this then you need to go no

>> well not necessarily no I will agree with that your claim or your statement if you can prove it to this because I'm seeing this so you need to re either

either to rebut this or prove your claim and then I will accept it. So that's,

you know, agreeing with your brother, you know, quickly. So don't just take things at face value because they're they could be putting forth something

that is not true as truth. There's a lot of that going on. I mean, safe and effective. Ever heard that before?

effective. Ever heard that before?

>> Sure.

>> All the time. So there it is.

You know, was it safe and effective?

Debatable.

>> According to what standard?

>> Yeah. Well, this is See, those words are not there's no standard to it. And so,

you've got to put forth, like you said, you've got to put forth safe and effective. Okay, I I'll take your words.

effective. Okay, I I'll take your words.

If it's safe and effective to this standard right here, we will agree that this is it. And so, our notice of liability says that. And then if you

keep push pushing these things, then uh we're going to charge you 20, 30, $40,000 a day, whatever amount you know the claimant wants. Do we have a deal?

Do we have an accord? If you go silent, you have agreed. We say it over and over. So it's not even we're not relying

over. So it's not even we're not relying on customs. We're actually expressing that over like at least four >> using their same tactic against them because they do that all the time with

us. all the time. And we had one lawyer,

us. all the time. And we had one lawyer, you know, big heavyweight lawyer, you know, representing the governor of Washington state and others other

political things. And he, you know, he

political things. And he, you know, he was one of these, you know, I'm don't you know who I am. And he said, "You can't do tacit agreements in in

Washington. We've got all these case

Washington. We've got all these case law. Look at I got 15 case laws of you

law. Look at I got 15 case laws of you can't have a you have to have agreement of the parties." And I said, It's you guys that are doing the tacid agreement by putting out the meters and

he he's like >> uh yeah um yeah what can we can we have a meeting we're not going to change our position but uh can we meet and I said

>> no we can't meet because you just said in the letter that you asked for a meeting that there would be you were not going to change your position so I see no point in in having a meeting so we respectfully declined so he got slacked

twice in front of everybody. Everybody's

CCd and this is, you know, I said, you guys are doing the the tacid agreement uh contract. We're just responding to

uh contract. We're just responding to it. The NOL is the meeting of the minds.

it. The NOL is the meeting of the minds.

He's going, you have to have meeting minds. The NOL is the meeting of the

minds. The NOL is the meeting of the minds. You guys are the ones that are

minds. You guys are the ones that are doing it.

And it's the truth. So, the truth was put up there in front of everybody and everybody can see. It's self-evident.

Oh, yeah. Actually, I can't rebut that.

That's what we're doing. And the NOL is the meeting of the minds because we're there's a discussion there. Let's let's

come to an agreement on this. The point

here also, the finer point is is there is no coercion here because if what we were saying is not if they were making a valid claim or what we were countering was not true, then they could easily

rebut it.

>> Exactly.

>> So, we're not cornering anyone. not

forcing them to do anything other than acknowledge what is true.

>> Exactly. They are cornered but only by their own stuff. So they they made a move and we now have moved where you know if

you make another move it's checkmate.

But you made the move to get for this to happen. That's how chess works. It's not one person constantly

works. It's not one person constantly moving and then oh checkmate. No, the

other person moves and then you see their weaknesses in their move and try and exploit it. Bad word, but you know

you you that's how a chess game works.

And usually chess masters know six or seven moves that the game's over.

But the one who wins knows one move before the other one and now it's too late. So they are cornered and there's

late. So they are cornered and there's no way out. And and both both now know it, but the the one who wins knew it one move ahead of time or at least one move ahead of time.

>> And just to round off that analogy, if you want to play chess, you need to know the rules of the game. So that's why the education is so important. And the more you can master, you know, more you know when you know the rules and then you

practice and you and maybe you're mentored as well. We'll talk about mentorship.

um that these things all come together, you know, but again, it's all about self-defense. You just don't take things

self-defense. You just don't take things at face value. You don't lie down and say, "Okay, well, you can do that or that's inevitable, you know, they're the government. They

get to to say this." No, we you know, we stand up for ourselves and it's not about being uh, you know, combative or aggressive or even violent. It's just

assertive.

>> Yeah. Assert your rights. Otherwise, you

don't have any. And um and the thing about the chess thing is there's another game that uses the same board and it's called checkers and what they've taught us is checkers and then they're playing

chess. But you got to understand that

chess. But you got to understand that that the board looks the same.

>> Yeah.

>> So you have to know by the by what they're doing. Okay. That's not a

they're doing. Okay. That's not a checker move. That's a chess move. I I

checker move. That's a chess move. I I

need to change the game. Don't try to keep playing uh checkers when somebody else is playing chess. It's not going to go well.

>> 100%. So, should should every sovereign man or woman spend some time to learn the Bible? Not not even necessarily from

the Bible? Not not even necessarily from a religious perspective. And I I should clarify, I don't consider myself religious. I obviously have a spiritual

religious. I obviously have a spiritual knowing and connection to creation that, you know, is is my own personal interpretation. And I'm actually very

interpretation. And I'm actually very open to learn from many different sources. So what would you say it's

sources. So what would you say it's important for someone stepping into their sovereignty and and you bas gaining mastery of their life visa v the commercial system? How important is

commercial system? How important is learning the Bible and how would how would you recommend approaching that?

>> It's it's vital in my opinion and here's why just objectively.

>> Yeah.

>> You'll notice there's one book in the courtrooms in in all western courts.

Why they took it out of the schools? Why

didn't they take it out of the courts?

Because they can't. Otherwise, they

would have.

There's one book that they that you have to put your hand on in order to swear an oath in all western societies. And and

then there the king is telling go and look at the at the oaths and go look at how he prefaced the oath. I really don't want to do this. I want to be I don't

want want to be defender of the faith. I

want to be defender of faiths of all faiths.

But according to law, I'm going to do this. I'm like, what law? You're the

this. I'm like, what law? You're the

king. There is no there is no law. You

you have sovereign immunity.

So what's compelling you? And the first oath that they take is to the Presbyterian Church of Scotland. And I'm

like what?

And they are urgent about it. Elizabeth

did it within 24 hours and she had to come back from Africa to do it. Like,

what's the hurry? What are what's going on here?

Charles did it within 72 hours of Elizabeth dying. There are 168 people,

Elizabeth dying. There are 168 people, movers and shakers, in the room on short notice, including the Lord Mayor of London, who was supposedly above the the

the king, but apparently that's not true. And so

true. And so they dropped whatever they were doing to be in that room to make sure that Charles sworn an oath to this

Presbyterian Church of Scotland. Why?

That doesn't make any sense. What's the

urgency? Couldn't you wait a month, two months? No. Within hours, it's got to be

months? No. Within hours, it's got to be done. So, there's something going on.

done. So, there's something going on.

And it all has to do with the Bible.

That's why the Bible's important.

And so you want to, you know, I know there's a lot of rhetoric to shunning the Bible, and that's on purpose so that you don't pick it up. If if you at least

read page one where you get dominion, and then read page chapter 18 of uh Revelation, that's the fall of Babylon, and it'll explain, you know, kind of

what Babylon is and and a overview of how to make get rid of it. And

that's going to be helpful, but there's a much more in there. And so the Bible is some people say the Bible is commercial

or commerce is following the Bible. One

of the two. Like when I learned commerce, I went these are biblical principles.

These are these are there's a correlation there. One is copying the

correlation there. One is copying the other. I don't know which one is which

other. I don't know which one is which cuz there's no way to know from my perspective here but it looks to me like the Bible is the real thing and commerce

is following biblical principles using money as the god really and um and all you know all the transactions are based

on that in law merchant. So the Bible is important to at least pick up uh objectively without all the religion

stuff but just as a law and commercial authority. It it really is an authority.

authority. It it really is an authority.

That's why they have to swear oaths on it. So that contract

it. So that contract or covenants the Bible calls it covenants like God calls them covenants which are solemn contracts.

That contract is something you want to understand and use because it's >> but a covenant can be a unilateral agreement, right? Like where one party

agreement, right? Like where one party swears allegiance or makes an oath, not necessarily a two-party contract. Is

that correct?

>> No. Yeah, there can be um there can be conditional covenants and throughout the Bible there are these and then there are unconditional covenants. So God is

unconditional covenants. So God is covenant his unconditional covenants is that the meek will inherit the earth and that starts with Abraham w which then

split into multiple religions which are still you know all the all those stories all the unrest you see in the world it's all in the Bible from a long time ago

and it's still the same issues right like and so it's it's really interesting to to see all this from that perspective but Yeah. And then there are some

but Yeah. And then there are some conditional covenants like if you honor your parents you will you know this this will happen and you know so um you want to understand those because they are

they are real and um you if you if you number one read them and then and then try them and see you know you'll go

hey that that actually works. So

it's it behooves you to yeah pick up the Bible as a just pretend that you found it under a tree.

The church came up around the Bible to control it. It didn't the Bible didn't

control it. It didn't the Bible didn't come from the church. Put it that way.

The these are old documents.

And if you understand, you know, who Moses was or who Abraham was, they came out of Abraham came out of the land of the land of the calaldanss, the land of

the magicians.

And so that tradition is weaved in.

Moses was taught in that oral tradition.

He was also taught at the um uh Egyptian mystery school. And then he spent 40

mystery school. And then he spent 40 years with the with the priest of Midian in the desert.

And so when you see all this, it's not what you think it is. It's way deeper and they have built these structures around it to control it and and say you

need to read this part but not that part and you know all that. So it's don't think of it in terms of a a document that the church put out there. It's the

other way around. These are old.

>> Amazing. Yeah. We want to um what something I've learned from my mentors in terms of studying natural law and the occult sciences is there's a lot of allegory

and and there's usually multiple layers.

There's what's called the exoteric version of religion and then there's what's called the esoteric.

>> And so there's always a deeper layer.

And the esoteric is like the meaning behind the words or the the implied meaning or the allegory which is not meant to be taken literally but rather

is to serve as as an example some kind of moral example. So, it sounds to me, you know, you've probably read the Bible much more than I have, but it sounds

like you maybe you've been able to see certain allegory or um in the Bible or and or like practicalities in terms of

commerce.

>> Well, absolutely. And it's fractal. It

like it's there's deeper meanings to almost everything in the Bible. And so,

you can look at it at face value. You

can look at it as a historical document or you can look at it, you know, as just straight up practicality, >> but there are deeper it it or it deeper.

>> There's deeper meanings to all of it.

>> And Yeshua always spoke on any particular topic to the masses, he spoke in parables.

And then when he had his followers, he spoke a little more deeply. When he had his 12, he spoke even more deeply. And

then he spoke more deeply to two or three of them on the same topic. So he

say here's the deeper meaning here, you know, and as it as the as the group came down. So, um,

down. So, um, the there's way more meaning in all of the things in the Bible. Like, it's it's very deep, especially if you study the

original languages, in particular the Hebrew or the Aramaic, because the letters themselves are part of the five

spiral. They are the the letters

spiral. They are the the letters themselves have meaning in and of themselves. And then when you put it

themselves. And then when you put it with another letter, it has deeper meaning. And then when you put it in a

meaning. And then when you put it in a word, it has deeper meaning. And then in the sentence and like it's just like who did this? Like who organized that kind

did this? Like who organized that kind of communication? It's complicated. Like

communication? It's complicated. Like

very very complex and deep. Like so you got to go, okay, uh something's going on here. Like there's there's way more

here. Like there's there's way more going on than what meets the eye with this these and you but you've got to kind of dive in to find that like it's not readily available. Like you can read

the book and you'll get something out of it, you know, face value, but if you dive in, especially get into the um original languages and the and the letters and it's it's pretty deep. This

is something probably a lot of people don't know is I can actually read Hebrew and understand it to up to a certain extent because when I was raised uh in a

Jewish family as a kid, you know, studying Hebrew was important. Um I also spent I also traveled to Israel um when I was younger. This is many

years ago. And I actually spoke some

years ago. And I actually spoke some Hebrew. I mean, I don't really anymore,

Hebrew. I mean, I don't really anymore, but um yeah, there's, you know, I probably didn't I I certainly didn't dive into the deeper nuances of the language, but there was always something

very curious to me about it. Um, and

there there's a lot of meaning, and language is always symbolic, and the Hebrew letters are very symbolic. They're very different from

symbolic. They're very different from the English language. So,

>> um, anybody who studied Hebrew from a scholarly perspective will will pick up on that. just how different the language

on that. just how different the language is and it's even read right to left.

>> Yeah, we're reading backwards >> and the vowels are below the consonants and they're usually omitted unless they're not clear in context. So, well,

in modern Hebrew, I guess in the biblical Hebrew they might still be included but >> no, I don't think they were. So, um you know, like the the tetrahedrin has no has no vowels, right? So, the the name

of God is not >> it's not pronounced, it's breathed.

[Laughter] And so it goes really deep.

>> It's I'm telling you it's super deep and it's not by accident. And um yeah, it's it's pretty interesting, but you can

find really good um lexicons online now.

I mean, you used to have to do it by book and it was very tedious, but now you can get just, you know, all different perspectives on

>> everything's at your fingertips now in in what we call post-apocalyptic world all available.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You can you can literally look up a word in English Bible and then go I want the translations and then and then all commentaries and you can kind

of really dive in and you go wow this is like so rich but we're speaking backwards and reading backwards. All the

ancient languages go the way you described >> and the right side is the creditor side.

How about that?

>> Yeah.

>> Awesome.

So, let's do this. We'll take a brief break and then when we get back from the break, I want to shift gears and and focus more on what you've been doing con contemporarily with the empower movement and give you a chance to share more

about that and your vision moving forward. All right, we're back from that

forward. All right, we're back from that break. I got a little bit of coffee.

break. I got a little bit of coffee.

Cal, you got some you have some orange juice and uh wow, we had a really great conversation in the first half. um

really breaking it open and seeing that there's so many layers to this. And and

when you start to explore it, you you can see that, you know, the same system that you think or have been raised to think that is here to enslave you, the

very same system has all the seeds of freedom within it and opportunity. It's

really just when you're ready to step up and and self-actualize, you're you're going to be able to find a way to do that. So it's it's again all answers lie

that. So it's it's again all answers lie within the system can enslave you in a way but it's going to be through your consent. So I mean I think that's one

consent. So I mean I think that's one way to summarize you there's obviously a lot of nuance and depth. So, um, if if our if members of our communities are interested, maybe we can revisit some of

these topics. But what I want to do in

these topics. But what I want to do in the second half here is give you a chance to really showcase what you've been up to with respect to the in power

movement and and what that entails. Um,

what your focus has been, what what have what have you you collectively with your organization achieved so far. So yeah,

just maybe give us an introduction maybe of somebody who's never even heard of the empower movement. What's that all about?

>> Well, it um it stemmed from the smart meters and then um using a document that I had used in my personal court

case that had caused the most reaction all the way up to the federal level and up to the queen even.

um it really got me free from the whole system. So it was a very powerful

system. So it was a very powerful document and um so I adapted it for the smart meters and took it to Seattle to a group of

about 20 people. They were all pretty savvy and they started using it and got the same kind of reactions that I had.

you know, people stepping down and um and and you know, behaviors like that.

Then a lady in Detroit um started having symptoms and then she realized it was from, you know, when they changed the meter. So,

she took her meter off and ended up in some kind of court battle and then she, you know, was studying and came across >> You mean physical symptoms like health related?

>> Yeah. Mhm. Okay,

>> there was a lot of people having and still do have have problems with um the the smart meters themselves. Not

everybody, but there are some who are very sensitive and uh all kinds of issues.

>> So like EMF uh frequencies. Okay.

>> Yeah. So like nose bleeds, headaches, dizziness, uh brain fog, u skin issues, like on and on and on. So

there's something going on. and you know the canary and the coal mines there's some people people who are are are sensitive and are are showing that there's there's something wrong we all

are are being affected by it but we're not symptomatic so um to varying degrees once you know

>> but some people much more acutely than others >> yes and and aside from people who who are understanding what we're talking about and have you know acknowledged that and actually you know done

something inside where they you know it doesn't affect you. I believe that's possible as well. So, but all that aside, for those that have no idea, she ended up having symptoms and then

realized that the meter was the that's when it started.

And so, she brought us out to Detroit and then we had a group in Detroit doing it and that's how empower it just sort of evolved into, you know,

a thing. Then we did a city in Colona

a thing. Then we did a city in Colona all around the same time, all within three or four months of each other. And

now we have a a thing. Then we went on the Dr. Mcola show.

I did an interview Josh and I and um we got inundated cuz there was just really him and I and and maybe three or four others

and we had thousands of emails and um it was just overwhelming and we went, "Oh, we we're on to something here." number

one. And number two, we need to have some kind structure to handle this kind of cuz we weren't prepared for anything like that. So

like that. So >> some kind of organizational structure operations.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, I'm I'm answering emails after work, you know, sometimes six, seven, eight hours a day. There was, you know, and it's almost always the same answer. Same question, same answer. So

answer. Same question, same answer. So

it's like, okay, we need a Q&A. we need

a you know FAQ because it's always the same thing and and you know so we had to start forming just just because of what

was happening and that now it's um we have about almost 4,000 members and a fairly large email list. I don't

even know what it's at now but um and so it just kind of grew out of not out of you know anybody's smarts or anything like that. we're just it's more

like it's has a life of its own and we're just kind of hanging on and guiding it and that's it. So that's

that's what empower is. It's it's uh something that that came out naturally without any not my influence anyway. Um I was part

of it but not it's not it came up organically >> bigger than you just like you know studio is bigger than me. It's not just you know it's not identified as me. It's

just, you know, we we become a part of something bigger.

>> Exactly. And that that's what happened.

So, it's always been that and it always is. And the leadings, one thing leads to

is. And the leadings, one thing leads to another. You go through one door and

another. You go through one door and then another door opens. And um and if you don't go through that door, then that other door you don't even know it exists. So, you know, it's it's one of

exists. So, you know, it's it's one of those things. We don't know the end, but

those things. We don't know the end, but we we can see that there is a coherent coming together that's making sense. So

uh so we just follow it and and try and stay on on track and um you know be good stewards with it. So yeah. So now one thing led to another. We had to uh we we

put the documents out for people and that had issues. We put it out for free.

Just you know here it's a word document.

Download it. Write in your name and whoever you're sending it to and your amount and that kind of thing. Is that

was that like a type of notice of liability or was a different type of uh instrument?

>> It was the notice of liability once I because I had written it based on the movie that Josh did. So he was he was showing the movie Take Back Your Power which was really well done,

award-winning, great movie. You should

watch it. Um, and but you know in theater showings people were coming out despondent like we're all going to die and you know you know it was all

there's no see he needed a solution. So

he says you know he knew about what happened with my court cases and so I looked at it and I went yeah they're using notices. I know exactly what

using notices. I know exactly what they're doing. I know exactly what you

they're doing. I know exactly what you know what to do because I've already been down that road. So the notice of liability came from documents that I had used and so we put it out, adapted it

for smart meters, put it out as a word document. You could just download it and

document. You could just download it and and fill it out. But a bunch of things happened and we had to rethink that because we had to take some responsibility. People

were changing the document, using it in places where it wasn't supposed to be used. Um, and even to the point where

used. Um, and even to the point where people were changing the template. So

others came in after and you know we never thought that people would do that but they thought no this is way better if we write it like this and well let's take those Bible verses out cuz I don't like the Bible just you know and and

stuff like that was like and we didn't know cuz we're not checking it. you

didn't really have like a document control in place, you know, something.

>> We were totally trusting, you know, we're all sovereigns. We're all trying to get the same thing and and we went, "Oh, this is not working." And um so we

had to rethink it.

And um so we came up with a now we have document control and we actually vet your respondents cuz people were sending to people they shouldn't have

been sending to and on and on and on and on and I I mean there was even one guy who was instrumental on TV I won't say his name

but you know during the Clinton era and uh he stepped down you in the news. It's on

in the news that he stepped down like oh, you know, why did he just quit? And

then I found out months later that one of our people had sent to him and he stepped down on the day he got his default notice. I went, oh, this is you

default notice. I went, oh, this is you shouldn't have sent to that guy.

And I went, okay, this is not working.

We we um so we >> in other words, it's like giving a giving a a loaded gun to someone and and not really training them properly how to use it because you know it is a weapon.

>> Exactly.

>> And if you fire it, it's going to have a consequence.

>> That's exactly what I said. I said we left the machine gun on our on the sidewalk outside of our house and said free gun and yeah, it's not going well.

So, so we got to we got to take some responsibility for this.

Um, we just have to. So, we shut down for quite a few years to try and build uh what we called an automated um document builder. It took a long time.

document builder. It took a long time.

We finally got it done. So now we vet your respondents to make sure you're not sending to somebody you're not supposed to be because you can get yourself in trouble

if if because it's it's you do you do not want to be the aggressor in this process.

>> Yeah. You don't want to just start shooting randomly. You if you're if

shooting randomly. You if you're if you're you know if you have a specific individual that you want to give notice of liability, you have to make sure you're you're giving notice to the right individual.

>> Exactly. Otherwise, you are now the aggressor because this is um and you you can get in in trouble, especially in the United States for paper terrorism and

that kind of thing. So, we got the builder up. We've now vet all

builder up. We've now vet all respondents and they're put in a database and then you just take the the um the number and you and you punch it in on in the builder and then we email

the documents to you and then you go get them signed. because we had people

them signed. because we had people writing the their names wrong. Like

there was just so many things that you just wouldn't believe could happen and they did. And

they did. And so we had to rethink it. And so now we've we've got the document out. Um

we're in I don't know about 18 countries. We've probably got about 300

countries. We've probably got about 300 and something people. We we're running at about 10% of our membership is actually sending the documents, which we're trying to work on to get that higher.

And we're at 35 or 36 billion US in bills of exchange.

>> Crazy.

>> Which is Yeah. Which is quite phenomenal. It took us

phenomenal. It took us >> Does the notice itself serve as the uh instrument or do you have to write an instrument on top of it for compliance?

>> Yeah. So I'm sorry for enforcement.

>> Yeah. So the notice sets up the agreement and then we bill >> and do you do the three notice process that is typical for an administrative process. Okay. Yeah.

process. Okay. Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's an administrative process. At

the end they are in now in a tacet agreement because of silence usually >> and and we tell them over and over we're going to bill you this amount this daily

fee. And so we send bills every 30 days.

fee. And so we send bills every 30 days.

They're quite substantial. It took us nine months to get our first billion and now we're running a we're doing more than a billion a month.

Not quite 3 weeks yet, but it, you know, it's somewhere in there. 25 days,

another billion, another billion, another billion, another billion. And

it'll get to the point where we're doing a billion a day, and then a bill billion an hour, and then a billion a minute.

And we we can literally build the wealth out of the legacy system, the current system and give it back to the people.

>> Amazing.

>> And what would you say have been the most substantial results whether in terms of people stepping down as you mentioned or uh removing

start smart meters or other devices like what share with me some of the results that you've seen? We've had meters change back. We've had meters not go on

change back. We've had meters not go on even to today. Um

and then the stepping down, you know, we had Relle Winsky from the CDC step down.

Three premers from Australia.

And these are all short notice. They're

all in the no in the news. You can look still look them up. These are all like 15 minutes. I'm out of here. And like

15 minutes. I'm out of here. And like

what?

>> Oh, that's incredible. Yeah, but they don't tell you why. They tell you >> they don't tell you why, but you can't you got to read between the lines. I

mean, if you serve a notice and 15 minutes later, as you said, or the same day they're out the door, I mean, it's hard to not see a strong correlation there.

>> Exactly. And so when this happens over and over and over, and then we we also had one of the one of the bloodlines, uh, the queen of Denmark, she stepped down.

crazy >> about two years ago or a year and a I guess it's a year and a half ago now.

And the and the thing about the Queen of Denmark was she'd been there since the early 50s and one of her um mantras was I will

never abdicate the throne. I will be here until I pass away. It was something she always said and so that was always in the it was programmed into the minds

of the Denmark people. And then she did her normal um uh New Year's Eve address. Andah,

oh, and by the way, I'm out of here in two weeks. And everybody like, "What?

two weeks. And everybody like, "What?

>> You can't make this stuff up. It's like

the stuff of movies."

>> It is.

>> When someone steps down, the what what are the secondary consequences?

Obviously, if if if smart meters are causing physical harm, the objective is to not have a smart meter. So, when

someone steps down, does that have a secondary uh effect of stopping an initiative or what what what actually happens there?

>> What actually happens is the document is written to the man or woman and the position. So, they have to be in a

position. So, they have to be in a position to be able to stop something otherwise it's, you know, paper terrorism. So they have to have a

terrorism. So they have to have a position of responsibility and or be very vocal about the agenda.

This happened with >> so like an actual liability in other words.

>> Yeah. Well, there was a lot of people uh you know chirping about the vaccines a couple years ago and you'd be amazed how much they have scrubbed that. Like

people are like backtracking trying to get all that stuff off the internet but we captured it all.

Not all but like a lot of it. So that's

so the document is to a woman man or woman those words and and or the position. So when the man or woman

position. So when the man or woman leaves the position it stays with the position and the new man or woman inherits it. It also follows the man or

inherits it. It also follows the man or woman.

>> So it doubles the liability. In other

words, >> exactly. It splits into two. So and the

>> exactly. It splits into two. So and the man or woman it stays with them no matter what where they go as well.

That's so powerful.

>> Yeah, we're using all their stuff against them. It's all Iikido judo. Um,

against them. It's all Iikido judo. Um,

you know, feeding the snake its own tail. All all it's all

tail. All all it's all if they stop, we stop. If they keep going, we keep going. And so they're they're creating their own they're putting the noose around their own neck

by you know because they just they're >> they're kind of psychopathic at the very high level and they just believe they can overthrow God and there's the problem right there and and they just

think that >> there has to be a consequence.

>> Yeah. And so we're we're creating that consequence. are actually taking their

consequence. are actually taking their system and feeding it back to them and getting them caught in their own default in their own system in front of the most high God.

>> Amazing. And it's not just about smart meters as as you mentioned. We have to be kind of be careful what we say because this will be on YouTube, but it has a lot to do with what what

transpired over the last 5 years and also um the 5G towers I think is part of it and there may be some other things as well. um that you may

well. um that you may >> and the spraying the spraying in the air like the floods flooding in Texas. Yeah.

>> Yeah. So it's multiple um you know things that have worldwide scope that many people can you know many people's health can be affected. It is being affected. I mean I walk out sometimes

affected. I mean I walk out sometimes some you know many times it's a bright and sunny day and then I see these weird streaks other days and I'm like yep I know what's going on here. You know you >> you can't unsee what you what you see.

So >> no. And that's the difference between,

>> no. And that's the difference between, you know, like family court and this because it's all the same everywhere.

There's no variable on it.

Um, >> and it's wide scope. It's a large scope.

It's impacting a large number of people.

>> Exactly. In exactly the same way. family

court's impacting a lot of people, but it's slightly different in every case because there are some and and you know children that don't shouldn't be with

their parents, etc. And so that you can't just do a document trying to get kids back to their parents, which is 90% of the time it's it's valid, but there's

still that 10% where no, you you shouldn't have your children. You're not

you're not functioning well. So, um, and so you you can't discern in that. But

with the smart meters, it's just a meter. It's identical. You know, they're

meter. It's identical. You know, they're all the same.

There's no variable.

Spraying in the air is all identical everywhere in the world. 5G is

everywhere in the world. And the other thing that you want to talk about is identical everywhere in the world. Same

companies are in Finland and you know, >> Yep.

>> Yep. It's affecting very again it's in a in a kind of a uniform way. It's

affecting a large number of people and we can respond to it in a in a uniform way. That's

way. That's >> exactly it's tactically these are the four things that you we want to focus on because it's it's fixed. There's no

variable that they can go well that's not quite that you know um it's all they're all the same. So it's it it helps to streamline the documents because we have to have four different

documents for each country for each agenda even though at at the highest level they're all one agenda because the 5G ignites

what's the being sprayed out of the uh thing and and it also >> affect technology like each >> exactly >> each thing is interoperable.

>> Yeah. So, a lot of people can't see that cuz it just seems so sinister and so conspiratorial, but they are all related. And so, we we kept them

related. And so, we we kept them separate because people can relate to the thing um the the very the thing that really bothers them not have this

what does spraying in the air have to do with you know um that but they are related.

>> Wow. So what would you say is your vision?

>> You know, you're obviously someone who is has become empowered through your actions, through um you know, walking this path. What what would you say is

this path. What what would you say is your vision for the rest of this year and beyond for empower movement? What

what are you hoping to co-create together with others?

We are uh working on a uh crypto offering and it's not I shouldn't say offering uh because we're not selling it. We're giving it back to people who

it. We're giving it back to people who participate and create bills. So that

the bills because the bills are number one um not recognizable to anybody who's not a banker or you know very in that system.

>> So they're not um negotiable because people don't understand them. we're not

trained and and they're large, like they're they're usually in the millions of dollars for a 30-day um uh billing

period. So, they're not easily

period. So, they're not easily spendable, you know, so we are because we issue everything um as far as uh

emailing. So, we we track things as

emailing. So, we we track things as we're sending them to people so we know exactly what's out there. they have to prove that they have signed it and um

mailed it so that you know the uh transaction has happened and then we h we we're tracking everything but the bills stay with the people

uh we don't centralize them so that all the wealth is now decentralized they can't blow up building 7 and get rid of it all or anything like that and um and then we just track and then we're going

to be uh giving out um what's called Evan since you speak Hebrew, it's Eben, the rock. Um,

the rock. Um, >> it's the it's the rock that um it's undressed stone. So, it was the altar

undressed stone. So, it was the altar that Jacob made and it was the um it's the cornerstone, you know, of the of the

temple. It's the uh it's the rock that

temple. It's the uh it's the rock that takes the Babylon statue down and chips at the feet.

And that's what we're calling our >> So that's what you're going to call the the currency.

>> Yeah. Evan.

So we we've we've uh we've written it at E V V I N. So that the pronunciation is correct because it's the the saying of

it. It's important. And um if we had it

it. It's important. And um if we had it eBn, we would end up with all kinds of mispronunciation. So, um, so that's

mispronunciation. So, um, so that's that's what we're working on in the next year to get that up and out. And of

course, free money is going to, you know, bring more people in. U, so we're using that against them as well because they've programmed us to go after money.

And so we're going to go, okay, there's a bunch right here. Come, come and do this. And so it's that's our short-term

this. And so it's that's our short-term goal. And we just adding more and more

goal. And we just adding more and more people and teaching. We have teachings in the in

teaching. We have teachings in the in our sites similar to you. We I teach on like different perspective on the Bible

non-rel. Yeah. So you're getting that

non-rel. Yeah. So you're getting that all that stuff that that I know about.

And then we also teach on law merchants so you can understand the ancient going right back into ancient Babylon and and how they have progressed to where we are today.

>> Amazing. Are you doing live teaching as well or pre-recorded or both?

>> We do we do the teachings live uh like well on Zoom and then we record them.

Yeah. So there's questions and and comments and other people you know interacting and and then we um just keep adding to it. Then I do a live events as

well. I'm going to uh Australia on

well. I'm going to uh Australia on Tuesday um for three weeks, but there's a live event there and you know Yeah. couple in

September.

>> Amazing.

>> Yeah.

>> Amazing. And the education you mentioned, is that part of being a member of empower movement or is there like a separate membership or upgrade for that?

>> Okay.

>> Nope. the membership covers everything, covers the documents, covers all the teachings, covers the, you know, just access to everybody because there's there's there are others who, you know,

have knowledge as well. So, there's lots of interaction.

>> I do a I do a Q&A twice a week, uh, Friday afternoon. So, even today,

Friday afternoon. So, even today, >> yeah, Friday afternoon and then, um, Tuesday morning so that we get the all the time zones. Uh

>> there's a lot of facetime cow. Even I

don't offer that much FaceTime.

>> Uh I know >> a lot of value considering how you know it's fairly economical to become a member um if I'm unless you've raised the prices. So

the prices. So >> no, >> the value you're getting is is not even close. Like um

close. Like um >> yeah, we're charging $150 a year and the value you get out of that is is astronomical. And we just keep adding

astronomical. And we just keep adding more. Yeah, we just keep adding more

more. Yeah, we just keep adding more value. We're not trying to make money,

value. We're not trying to make money, especially that kind of money. Um

>> uh we're trying to change the whole monetary system. So, it's not

monetary system. So, it's not we kind of don't run the normal business model. So, uh we don't do any affiliate

model. So, uh we don't do any affiliate things and we just if you want something us to promote something, we'll just promote it. We don't want to we don't

promote it. We don't want to we don't need to be paid for it.

>> Amazing.

>> Yeah.

>> Amazing. Well, you have we you have at your fingertips the ability to already potentially monetize that. I'm curious,

you know, notwithstanding the crypto, which sounds like a good idea. Are you

seeing opportunities to actually hypothecate or or monetize the instruments that are being established for these liabilities that are being set? In other words, some way to

set? In other words, some way to translate that into currency.

>> Well, we don't want to, you know, that's that was the first plan. We were we're going to trying to monetize it, but that would just be adding more money to the current system

>> and all the money siphons by design. So

we we would be feeding the very thing that we're >> feeding the beast, so to speak.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. So what ended up happening, you know, again, this is one of these things is when we built the builder, it kind of bogged down when we started doing billing because all the information had

to, you know, go from one document to the other and it was just really slow.

>> So they they broke it off and did a loop on at billing cycle. And then what happened because of that is we could could bill

um forever and that changed the whole tenure of what we were doing. And I

went, "Oh, we can continuously bill." In

other words, we can build the whole the whole world. Like we could literally do it. It it like the possibility is

do it. It it like the possibility is there with enough people doing it. um we

could literally suck all the wealth out of the current system and then because cryptos have come up in the last 20 years or so um even though people don't

understand them they do know that there's some value there. So that's that you know the the system has put that into us. So we cryptos value, you know,

into us. So we cryptos value, you know, okay, there's something there. I don't

fully understand it, but I know there's it has to do with money because they want to switch to fully digital currency for control.

>> Well, there has to be something backing it. So with crypto, the way I understand

it. So with crypto, the way I understand it is crypto is mined or created based on some event or some value. So correct

me if I'm wrong. Is when someone issues these notices of liability, is that the the triggering event that causes or the billing is that what causes the crypto to be to come into existence? What is

the uh precipitating event?

>> The bill is money and that's the concept you have to understand. Their system,

bills of exchange, we're taught that it's a way to get money like it's a notice to get money.

But in their world it is money.

>> Yeah. So debt is money essentially or is money.

>> Exactly. So we have a whole bunch of IUS up to 35 billion and that's money in their system. It's just not spendable

their system. It's just not spendable because we're not trained that way. But

we can take the exact value that we have on those bills and now it's the x x amount of crypto and give it back to this to the people who have the bills.

And then that creates an economy where people are trading using this cryptocurrency. Evan,

cryptocurrency. Evan, >> exactly.

>> Wow. That is a big vision.

>> Yeah. Well, and what it does is removes all the trillionaires and quadrillionaires and makes a whole bunch of millionaires and people because it's it's large amounts and um we won't be

giving it all at once. It'll be, you know, it'll be done in a uh orderly way.

Um but but people are going to get wealthy >> and they should be wealthy because the money has the value the value has been stolen from us and from our uh

predecessors and >> it's we're just getting it back.

>> Yeah.

But we're essentially the generators of value. I mean when you become more

value. I mean when you become more valuable you are the generator. That's

why we say we are the creditors cuz it all the value in the system is coming from us. It's not coming from say gold

from us. It's not coming from say gold or silver. It may have been in some

or silver. It may have been in some cases but in re you know maybe for certain countries I think Canada was always about bills of exchange if I'm not mistaken.

>> So like we're the ones that value has to come from somewhere.

>> Exactly. So now what we're doing is getting that value back. That's all

we're doing.

>> Amazing. So we can see like a whole new economy springing up around this and potentially other >> um you know related or types of

currencies that are you know doing something similar and then it could be a whole alternative economy to the way we're operating now.

>> Exactly. And all of their wealth now goes to not that's what the Bible says in Revelation 18. That's why you should read that and because that's what that's the promise from a voice in heaven. you

guys do this, I will do that and their wealth will go to not.

Now, if you didn't read that, you wouldn't know that. So, that's the thing. They don't want you knowing that.

thing. They don't want you knowing that.

So, when their wealth goes to not, they can't spray in the air. They can't put smart meters up. They can't put 5G towers up. They can't steal children and

towers up. They can't steal children and do all kinds of dastardly things. It

can't like all of the bad so-called bad things in in Earth are money driven.

>> They require access to money in their system in order to get away with all of that.

>> Yes. If you want to corrupt a judge, how do you do it? Money. How you want to corrupt a politician, how do you do it?

Money. If their money goes to zero, all that comes to a grinding halt where there's no value. So, you have to get Evan. Now, if Evan is the new thing or

Evan. Now, if Evan is the new thing or or a conglomeration like you um explained, if that's the value that 90%

of the people are recognizing and and participating in, all their wealth is nothing and they got to get control of this. Well, they can't get control of it

this. Well, they can't get control of it because it's designed not to be controllable.

>> Well, I hope I hope viewers and listeners are getting are tapping into this vision because it's spectacular. I

think there's a lot to it and way the way you explained, you know, take sucking the money or they're losing the value, losing the ability to, you know, commit these atrocities. It's all

connected.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. It's all connected. They are

feeding off of our, you know, they're vampiric.

>> Yes.

>> You know, they're they are feeding off of our energy, which gives them energy to go and do their dashes. But if

they're completely deflated and we've taken all of our value back and move it in a whole new direction, you know, it's not that they would could never hurt anyone, but they lose all

that great so-called power that they have.

>> Yeah. And they and the they is not that there's few of them, fewer of them.

>> So they they have to have a control mechanism or a mechanism to get these things done. Um, and without money, how

things done. Um, and without money, how you going to get a kid? Cuz nobody's

going out and going, I feel like grabbing a kid and just giving it to somebody. No, they're getting paid,

somebody. No, they're getting paid, right? Money, money is the um Yeah,

right? Money, money is the um Yeah, it's, you know, people you be, you know, because of the way the system has been operating, we people will do all kinds of things for money.

>> Exactly.

>> People can be bought.

>> Absolutely. People are sold. You flash a million dollars in front of somebody, you you'd be shocked if they don't have morals and scruples what they'd be willing to do.

>> Exactly. But because they have created that in our minds, you know, collectively when we have Evan out there

and free money over here.

[Laughter] So, it's going to be funny to watch this, you know, the the the exodus out of that system and everybody's trying to, you

know, jockey to get, you know, so we're actually going to use that as against the system and and you know, then train people that so people like

you and and others that they know how to train people and and educate people on how to act in a new paradigm because that old paradigm we it, you Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me.

That doesn't work.

>> No, >> only works for very few. And um we have to we have to change our way of of being

and interacting with each other.

>> That's true. It's not just about having a different currency or a different way to relate to it. It's really about the inner state going all the way back to what we said in the beginning.

>> It's all about your state of mind. It's

it's about who you are and h who you're becoming because we're always continuously >> improving.

>> Exactly. And so at at empower we have a culture there. We have you know we have

culture there. We have you know we have rules of conduct. We have actually terms of we had to have go to terms of uh service but we have u guiding principles.

And so we were trying to create a culture because a culture is better than you know don't do this, don't do that,

you know, that kind of thing.

If if everybody feels safe and um and welcome, you don't need rules. We we are not really wararmongering

types. we're we're trained that way or

types. we're we're trained that way or or enticed that way or trauma, whatever happens. So, we're creating a an actual

happens. So, we're creating a an actual living culture that when you assimilate into it, you feel, oh, this is a this is this is how we should operate. So, we're

conscious of that as well. So we're you know as people come in for other reasons because you know oh dollar signs we want them to assimilate into the

culture and also be educating them on how to act etc for the benefit of all including them.

And so we have to retrain people because we are trained it's dog eat dog out there and the you know law of the jungle and all these sayings that are in our head >> you know there's only you know death and

taxes are you know inevitable all all these things >> those get created because people believe those things.

>> Exactly.

>> Yeah.

>> It's exactly it. So we want to we want to dispel those and have new mantras and new uh new thoughts that are in people's heads and then we will create that.

>> Yeah. I consider us um uh if not informally maybe formally in the future like I consider us allies in this uh like in power movement and the freedom

studio. I see us as allies and I'm

studio. I see us as allies and I'm actually um now that you've shared more of your vision uh which I think you articulated very well I can see how um

our parallel paths you know we can cross-pollinate and I want to encourage all members of the freedom studio and all of our viewers listeners to also follow and support what you're doing. Uh

what would be some good links if people wanted to either become a member, get involved or at least start to educate themselves? Where should they go?

themselves? Where should they go?

>> Well, we we are a private membership, so there's not a lot of teachings outside other than the >> these interviews, >> but it's empowerment.org

and, you know, it's $150 a year. For those watching this, we can

a year. For those watching this, we can set up a a discount. So $100 for for the first

a discount. So $100 for for the first year.

>> So it's just inpowermovement.org is the main website. Is that correct?

>> Yep. Yep.

>> Okay.

>> And you can join there. And then um you'll see that you know there's a lot of interaction amongst the members. A

lot of there's other people have knowledge of all kinds of things and they're all sharing and there's other meetings that pop up and other little subgroups and talking about different

top. It's it's a it's a living

top. It's it's a it's a living society or a culture and it it's and we don't we're not trying to control it.

We're you know guide it but not there's not a top down thing and there's all all kinds of different points of view in there and all you know it's it's it's pretty cool and no no none of that you

know anybody that does that they really stand out and they don't >> like the gimme gimmies. Yeah, I call them the gimme gimmies or just tell me how to do this and I don't I don't want

to learn anything proper.

>> Oh yeah. Well, yeah. Well, well, we don't have any of that. I mean, we have that, but it doesn't work. But I'm

talking about >> they get filtered out.

>> Yeah. They Yeah. Uh I'm talking about people, you know, name calling and all that kind of stuff. We had

>> Yeah. Like the divisive ones. Yep.

Got it.

>> But they don't fit. They don't like nobody bites and nobody um I'll try and you know we don't that here >> they get fleshed out really quickly.

>> It does and some persist and then they they realize that they're not getting what they want because nobody engages.

>> Nobody bites. Yeah, that's that's a great >> that that that's just a testament to the overall average quality of the of members. And um I've seen something

members. And um I've seen something similar with the Freedom Studios. It's

very rare that someone will come in and be a disruptor, but you know, it can happen.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> From time to time.

>> And we just we just go with it. What'

you say? Aikido. We just do Aikido.

>> Yeah. Exactly.

So, it's all >> awesome. Well, it sounds really

>> awesome. Well, it sounds really spectacular. I mean, I um I I want to

spectacular. I mean, I um I I want to get more involved personally to see what's going on. And I'm encouraging um some cross-pollination.

If your members who see this want to learn more about what we do at the Freedom Studio, they're welcome to do that. Just the freedom.studio is the

that. Just the freedom.studio is the number one link for us. And um for you guys, it would be empowermovement.org.

>> Yep.

>> And um yeah, it's all about private membership as you said. I mean, we're all the teachings happening in the private. The public side is really just

private. The public side is really just to get the word out, see who's ready to come in and really do the real work, but the real work is always going to be done in private. But what what are your

in private. But what what are your thoughts on that?

>> Absolutely. Because u going out in the public, there's public policy out there when you get, you know, push back and all that kind of stuff. So, not that we

don't have the push back here, but um yeah, we keep everything in the private cuz then you can say, you know, certain things and and and and there's it's not

in the public. They can't say anything about it really. So, that was a lesson I had to learn, Cow. I mean, we're always learning. In the beginning, I was kind

learning. In the beginning, I was kind of like a loose cannon and didn't really appreciate the difference between public and private. And um of course, that's by

and private. And um of course, that's by design. You know, again, we don't that's

design. You know, again, we don't that's not really taught where it could be, >> but once you know that, it just you just operate in a different way.

>> Exactly. And there's not much they can do about it. So again, knowledge, you know, not going into fear, standing your ground, all these things are all a part

of this whole thing. you you've got to educate yourself, stand on your education, be willing to change your mind on things either. You

don't want to get too stuck on any kind of dogma or what I call a cognitive bias. Hold your cognitive bias, but hold

bias. Hold your cognitive bias, but hold it lightly and think, okay, I could, you know, I could be incorrect or incomplete and I need to, you know, and you'll get

way further that way. um into the you know what is true and what is you know not true. And so it's it's if you do

not true. And so it's it's if you do those things you're going to you you know you'll get there and you on your own path even you know it'll be your

personal journey and you'll learn something and you you can teach others about what you found down that path and that's all it is. We're we're all here

for a reason. this not an accident and we need to find out what that reason is and act upon it and we can move past this whole thing.

>> I agree. I've said often this could all be over in a day but you know it's going to take everyone self-actualizing and >> that's part and parcel with our mission

as well cow is to help people to what I say unlock their infinite worth. We all

have it within us.

>> Mhm. If it's not re if it's not extent, if it's not being revealed, it's not because it can't be, it's just because that's the way we've been taught. So now

we're moving that in a whole new direction. So I'm super enthusiastic

direction. So I'm super enthusiastic about everything you've been doing and uh I love the, you know, the I love the direction you're taking this all in. I

think I'm even more enthusiastic than I was before. So I just want to express my

was before. So I just want to express my gratitude for you for spending a couple of hours with me and and sharing your knowledge and experience. So thank you very much for that.

>> Thank you for inviting me. I'm honored.

So >> awesome. We'll keep the door open for

>> awesome. We'll keep the door open for future conversations and interactions based on what happens. So thanks again, Cal, and enjoy your time in Australia as well.

>> Thanks. I'm looking forward to the beaches. Yeah, it's going to be awesome.

beaches. Yeah, it's going to be awesome.

>> Awesome.

All right, everyone. Thanks for joining us for this conversation. We'll see you very soon. Take care.

very soon. Take care.

>> Thanks a lot. Bye.