Nardwuar vs. Fred Again

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who are you my name's Fred from London England Fred welcome to Vancouver British Columbia Canada thank you NWA Fred right after bat I wanted to give

you a gift right here a Tito pente record for your dad you know what the punch drunk Pirates this is amazing where you go you

know what I was thinking on the way here I was like I'm I'm like prepared to be like spun out so I was like a I'm not going to be spun out but you straight at the gate you've spun me out cuz Tito how

did you know TI because did you speak to so because this was a thing that I played on the drums when I was um 10 um and then my dad started learning

the drums cuz I started playing the drums and my dad is now in a band with all these guys who met at this boxing gym called the punch drunk Pirates and

you catch me at most of their shows and yeah wow so you actually drum to 20 yeah yeah when I was about I think it would have been about 10 I think around then is when my dad saw me drumming and he

wanted to be part he wanted to jam with us together um and so he started playing the drums then and the T PR he had that there was this groove he did that was like a I think it was like inspired by like a rumber and it was

like and I remember playing that on Loop on Loop on Loop on Loop for hours um so yeah stra Straight Out The Gate you sp me ready well that's a gift for you and your dad and Benji

too this is so good um he plays drums right yeah he does yeah yeah yeah I write all of my music with my brother Benji as well and he's also a sick drummer yeah and people can see you in

action playing drums on Anderson pacfed yes yeah yeah I was getting schooled that day that was a nerve-wracking shoot for me because I mean Luc who we did it with cont testify I was like he's a

proper drummer and I'm like I haven't played in years and I'm only all right so that was a nerve-wracking day but luckily I gave myself the bits I could play and he did the rest actually who

else do we have in the room right now could you please identify them this is Lucy and Theo Lucy's our cre director and Theo is an amazing photographer and Camera Legend and we do everything

together yeah so Fred that's a gift for you and your dad thank you so much I appreciate it thank you Michael Simmons oh more than anything thank you Michael

Simmons yeah he's um yeah this is Michael was the person Michael was a music teacher who um like I told him I was like writing songs he taught me drums when I was about 10 11 12 along

with another amazing teacher called Jaz Wilds Michael heard that I was like writing songs and he literally would he would make me play them the music in like the sweetest most encouraging way like he'd say like he'd come into the

room in the in the music block at school and he'd like I'd have to leave the room to play him the songs I'd written cuz I was like so embarrassed and ashamed of what they were and so I would like leave

him a CD or whatever it was I can't even remember at the time and he i' leave the room and then he'd sit there and listen to them and then I'd come back in and he would like he Michael is like a angel on

Earth and is doing this for a million other kids as well and yeah it's thanks to him and a host of other amazing teachers like him that yeah i' write music and drum and drum and drum and

what does he think about you drumming on the desk like at the tiny desk you drummed on the actual desk yeah that was a fun touch to do I think that's actually the props we got to go to uh

our friend Tobias who we work with who when we were prepping it I was trying to find a place to drum and I was doing it on the piano and then T was like we could drum on the tiny desk and we were like

brilliant so yeah and you've done that before like drumming on desks haven't you that's not new to you no yeah that was the thing I think cuz we learned when when we were this implies I'm a way

more serious drummer than I am but like when we were at school we definitely would practice cuz you can the great thing about drumming is that you can practice so much of it when you're just yourself without sticks or drums you can practice all your Independence and your

feet work and rudiments and all of that just with your hands and I was doing a lot of like snare drum work so yeah I'd always be playing on desks and that is a gift for you thank you so much and your

dad thank you my dad will absolutely love that he's the first question in this the punch drun pirates pirates and also shout out Uncle Glenn from The Punch Drunk Pirates and

the rest of the gang and Fred I have another gift for you right here a Fat Boys Pizza Box what can you see about the connection between if you can open

up between the Fat Boys and Fred again this is the um sample in the uh

breakdown of adore you adore you um and this was uh yeah this is an amazing this comes with an amazing booklet too why

why does this exist like for Fred again oh my gosh um I'm just like what's the logic that means a picture disc too incredible oh yes s okay I hadn't

clocked that's what it was yeah there the amazing voice that comes in going um I want stop mov I want to stop but I want that mov uh and the breakdown of

adore you yeah that's incredible so a booklet and a record for you to take on tour and read thank you so much thank you so much that an insane bit of look

at there a pizza box high level thank you so much do you have a lot of Records where do you store this I guess it's going to be hard to get back cuz you're on tour right now no

l luckily I've I've got a I've got room in the suitcase at the moment so we're feeling good there but the I have a weird amount of Records but they're not mine my I live with my best friend big

hen who's one half of Joy Anonymous and his brother red uh red is also one of our best friends his his hen's Big Brother Hugh was a garage DJ when he's younger so we've got like thousands of

his records on the wall so this will join that collection going back to the early days clapping music what is clapping music CL clapping music

um this is such a thrill for me no thanks the um I'm you want to be interviewed the uh clapping music is a thing a piece of music by Steve Reich am

I getting that right it is Steve Reich am I getting that right okay and um that was something I played with and it's basically just two people clapping in like poly rhythms so you do and the poly

rhythms are gradually displacing um so it would be like g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g and then someone else would do that exact same Rhythm but starting a

16th note later and it's it's unbelievably hard to play tightly and I think maybe unbelievably like boring to listen to for some people but kind of

hypnotizing for some people and so I played that with um Sasha Johnson who was another incredible teacher I had um yeah who encouraged me to play a lot of like classical percussion and stuff like

that and so we played that together yeah I was curious about that 50 piece Orchestra rappers who are in the orchestra who are the rappers could you please explain is this

are you talking about the symphony thing yeah this is there this was a concert that I basically what happened was I found out that to call something a symphony the definitions are actually

really loose and so when I was like 14 I think I thought like to call something a symphony you'd have to like have done all these things and have a PhD and whatever but like turns out to co something Symphony it basically just has

to be maybe in four movements and have an array of different textures so it couldn't be like a symphony for piano but um and so then I was like [ __ ] okay I can just make myself a symphony and then like one can say I then I can say

I've done a symphony even if it's rubbish and a lot of it was but but it meant that um I was able to like use the orchestra at school and I also had my

friends uh chinny and Chris K ands uh and Michael Payne uh who were rapping in it and my friends Tristan and Jim and a bunch of peeps all singing and playing

and playing s and guitar and staff on yeah mad a whole bunch of [ __ ] it's great you got them involved yeah it was it was that was the like the real blessing of it is being able to do do a piece for like 50 people and be able to

access all my friends and have everyone play together like no one was being paid we were all at school and it was just a yeah that was a blessing of the time I guess B1

yeah that was the um house I was in at school yeah b b B1 one what was it A1 that's a really good point and there wasn't one

and there should have been I don't know yeah you got logic at age 11 I think I got logic at age like who was

your friend that introduced you to logic it would be pav I think um who was a guitar teacher and and he would show me

how he was making songs with his friends and I was making songs on a boss I had one of those eight tracks you know those like boss eight track things um and because because I was wanting to do

these like really Grand pieces I would do that thing of like recording eight tracks onto the boss and then recording all eights onto the one track of the new session so I could get seven more tracks and then recording all eight of that

onto the next two tracks so I could get six more tracks so accumulatively I could get 60 or whatever but then yeah he showed me logic and I was like how many tracks can you use and he was like

as many as you want and I was like oh my gosh and that was kind of the beginning of the greatest love affair of my

life cello cello and trains a cello made of TR Brian is that a [Laughter]

BRI I don't know because that's a private conversation with me and Brian so that means have you spoken directly to Brian that's you're so good at the

corner um wow yeah Brian was described I me you're going to remember this better than me maybe Brian was the this is with um my friend and Mentor one of my

favorite people on the planet Brian Eno and he was messaging me about I can't even remember what it was he just said this hilarious flurry of words about like cello made of trains and like what

he wanted something to sound like do you remember maybe you remember better than me well the clap him common station is that what the recording was

that I sent to him that sounded like a cello well I deci i' throw that out a very narrow platform there at the clap

very narrow platform nice yeah yeah that's right yeah the train station yeah and good sounding trains there you get on the escalator up at uh is it no this is at um Kennington which is two stops

up from there on the escalator up you get this there's this one escalator that has like uh I think it's broken but maybe it's not that broken cuz they've never fixed it and it goes like it has

an crazy Rhythm to it and it's like sounds like clapping music the escalator Ken have we heard it on your recordings I've definitely used it I haven't used it as explicitly as I'd like we use um a

bit of it now in the live show um but yeah I use trains all the time cuz the like complexity of the sound when you're in a carriage or on a platform whatever is just mindboggling yeah and you are

Fred again but at one point you were Silas yes that's right yeah this what was that era like you know Fred again versus asylus that was um with my great

friend Jim um who's still a wicked songwriter and doing great sh great [ __ ] we he and I were making records that were like I don't know what we I would describe them as but it was like um he had an incredible voice has an

incredible voice Jim and so it was mainly just like learning I think both of us were kind of learning off of each other like how to record how to write like what you can make voices sound like like through manipulating them and

editing them and singing differently and stacking them and harmonizing them and so on so yeah that was I learned loads we had great fun there yeah like Hollow praise yes these types of songs yeah

exactly yeah Fred again a concerto for sewing machines this is I'm trying to place this because this is a I'm it's so good how you just say the thing and you don't

have to say anything around it and I'm just like um a con for sewing machines was that but what's weird is yeah

okay um so yeah so when I was at I'm trying to you again you're going to remember this better than me clearly but when I was at College I went to like Trinity Music

College to do classical writing and I wrote a piece that they said that you could do a um they said that we had to write a piece for a 30 piece uh String

orchestra I think but they said we could also use a keyboard like a synthesizer and I was like um and I asked the person I was like can the keyboard synthes SI

it be a sampler and they said yes it can and then I'm trying to work out link to this in conu sewing machines CU I don't want

to the expecting eyes are so good um you're going to okay you wrap this up if I don't get this to I'm hanging on every word you're saying okay okay so the um anyway this we do the pce for 3piece

orchestra and a keyboard that could be a sampler but obviously you know we know that like a sampler can be anything you can press the C and it could trigger the noise of the kenon train station or it could trigger a whole song that you

could have sampled and my idea was to have the orchestra improvise random notes for six minutes and then at the six minute Mark the keyboard player holds middle C for six minutes and it

just plays sorry and it just plays Untitled by D'Angelo in full um which was my favorite song at the time and still one of the best ever and cuz I was like this is brilliant this is an excuse for me to just get to listen to My

Favorite Song in a big room on nice speakers and all the orchestra just sit back and hear it and then I wrote an essay about how cuz I had to like intellectually justify it so I was

saying it was a comment on how uh all music is plagiarized and the first half they were improvising in the key of Untitled and arguably some of them would

have accidentally by sheer probability played some of the notes and Melodies From Untitled and then the second half we just listened to Untitled and it was uh kind of [ __ ] but I mean totally

[ __ ] but kind of funny and then I think the example was that someone was saying someone that one of the teachers I think said it was about as useful as a conto for sewing machines or

something is that right what an amazing indepth explanation thank you thank you for doing that that's incredible that's so

in depth but surely you know like cuz you did we'll get to that well you are a friended again we have to know I appreciate it and Fred I have a gift for

you right here an 801 live record and if you notice who plays on it Brian Eno there he is Phil manzanera

yes look at Brian and his sexy cat wow like this is released in 76 the height of the punk rock era what is Brian's relationship with punk rock what has he told you about his older recordings

around that time I don't know enough about this you know I should ask him more was this just like a jam session or was they like uh they actually played

live really yeah and check out what song Eno does on there oh Babies on Fire okay I love that there's a photo of him doing it looking Moody with his capat does he

still have that cat I was just about to say he's just done an amazing new Rebrand to a new kind of beret maybe inspired by and so maybe there's like a there's a nice Arc here of the cap to

the nwell back to the Brian's new Rebrand with the new the new cap he's got thank you so no and that's a gift for you but Brian has he explained anything about Windows 995 like he did

the startup sound that incredible it is incredible has he said anything about Dad well I think the only thing I would be able to say I think I'd be repeating what you probably read that he said but it is really interesting that about a

really beautiful example of his mind being unlike anyone else's in that like they said to him they came up to him and said we wanted you to make this little 4C composition for the new Windows computer and I think he was most

interested by the idea of the shortness of the comption cuz he'd been making these like pieces that were 8 minutes sometimes 8 hours sometimes crazy crazy long things and so he then became

obsessed with this like my shy of like he made thousands of different like 3 second 4 second 5c 3 second 4 second pieces to the point where the the thing that I love that I find most interesting

that he was explaining is that he did that for months and then when he came out of doing that and started working in songs the idea of having like four bars to do something felt like there like massive expans of time and he felt like

he could do so much in a song and Achieve so much and do so much like intricate storytelling and so I think it was interesting in that way yeah a verb

plugin what sort of plugins does Eno use a verb a verb yes a verb is the how have you done that the um so he's

uh one of the funniest things about Brian which I was a great learning when I first met him is he he is like sort of beautifully Lawless in how he'll work you know in particularly in like

recording music there's a lot of sort of sool rules and so I remember like for example one time we were like working on a song and we worked on it for months and we'd like literally months like looking at all the my new sh and changing these things and worrying about

that and then going back and re-recording the way the snare hits and then we're like okay yeah cool I think we're approaching the deadline we can send this off to mixing and then just

before we send to mixing Brian just goes into you could if you click if you hold Al when you click on the plugins in logic you get the Legacy plugins and there's about five of them and they're really useful silver compressor and a

but the ones that he and I use a lot um just before we were sending it off to mix he held oh and he was just on the on the master not on any single track like on the whole song how all and just

dragged in an a verb and that makes the whole song become like like and he was just there and he went oh he's like much better much better he was like we should

send it off like this and I was like what but we just I was like that's the most wild thing I've ever seen anyone do just straight Master on the Reverb and straight to mix and release it into the

world so yeah Big Ups a big UPS Brian so when you first came in there you were like helping him with biscuits you got biscuits for him yeah biscuits and snacks and helped arrange the I mean I think I was essentially given the

unplugged controller I was like doing stuff like arranging the singing sheets so that everyone could sing together yeah what do you think about the different biscuits like pink Wafers M yeah good biscuit yeah good biscuit Rich

tea sure that would be I think probably Brian well he's not a big Biscuit man but some of the people there are fig rolls really I I wouldn't know actually

chocolate fingers yeah sure sure and the white ones both good did you end up dropping out of school kind of for Brian in a way yeah kind of I mean I think it was like I was doing when I was at the

college I was telling you about where I was did the piece where I sampled played Just Untitled in for um I went there for 2 years and and it was great and I learned lots of stuff but I wasn't

wanting to become like a classical composer I was there because I wanted to learn about sort of how to write bark fugues and things like that and then around that time I started making black Brian would be helping me with the music

I was making and then he asked me to help him with uh an album he was work had just started to work on with Carl Hyde from Underworld and so then I was

like okay I think maybe I can just go and do that now think I've got enough of a reason you mentioned him before and I have another gift for you right here an underworld LP what can you say about

working with underworld uh to to me um like I've had a a funny kind of chronology of like my love of Underworld and Carl and Rick

which is that I actually loved their later records when I'd started when I first met Carl that's just because when I was like when Brian said I'm working with this girl with this guy Carl I listen to the stuff and I listen to the

stuff that come out and I really fell in love with the records that had come out recently at that time and then in the last 10 years or whatever it's been since we worked together I've could have fallen in love almost in like reverse

order with all of their records to the point where I'm now absolutely obsessed with just like you know pieces like dark and long and stuff like that um yeah they are and we I went actually with um

uh Sunny Skrillex to go see them at uh alip p a few weeks ago and it was it was a I remember Sunny walked in and he was like this is the rarest crowd Dynam I've

seen in years it was such a like all ages everyone was like sort of phoneless everyone was just in it it was so present the lights were feeling really like sort of alive it wasn't it was all

feeling sort of loose in the best possible way um so yeah Big Ups Carl has told you about like drum sounds like the the big thumping drum sounds right um

I'm trying to remember I can't remember what have you learned from car about drums because he's into like the thumping drum sounds yeah oh I see in terms of yes I remember the I

don't um the uh the it was about in terms of like the importance of a kick drum um I think this would very much be like KL and Rick but it was Kyle who said this to me when

we were talking about like the importance of having the right kick sample or the right tuning of your kick or whatever it's going to be particularly in in all music but particularly in dance music it's like

sometimes you might feel a [ __ ] I've worked on this kick for ages like it's think it's all right there's bigger things to worry about but then I remember Carl saying like he's like but in reality if you look at the waveform

you look at the song in this waveform every half a second for the whole song There's this thing that goes D way bigger and way louder than everything else in the whole song and it's happening for twoth thirds of the whole song He's like it's probably the most

important thing you're going to choose so yeah that that's really stayed with me in terms of like yeah focusing and tuning on those things and that's to give through some 19 88 under so much N

I appreciate it where do you do your work in early days was at cafes and they lent you extensions where was that they lent you stuff here comes Fred yeah yeah that was a good vibe that's still my

favorite places to work it's where I work most of the time I go to Studios when I've got to but um it was an art gallery yeah I would do a lot of art galleries a lot of like there was because they've got it's the generally

the places that have big open like Cafe areas where you can generally get a seat and there's usually quite good amount of power supplies there was a there was a coffee shop in like Central that they

would let me have they would like give me an extent like for some reason they just I don't know I think I came a lot and we got we spoke and so then I'd walk in they'd come bring out the extension and I got like too comfy there to the point where I'd be like plugging in like

interfaces and a mic and then it got to the point was like maybe you should just go to a studio but it's nice to be equipment to plug in no I would bring it I would bring it yeah yeah and but it's

it's nicer to be in the world as opposed to in some you know closed off no natural light room or whatever the expert sleepers yeah yeah yeah there's a that's a really good um spectral

Conquest spectral Conquest you've definitely spoken to Brian I hope you had a nice time this is um uh that's a great conversation I hope that was

recorded actually um spectral Conquest is a plugin by expert sleepers and it's essentially really simple it's just like an EQ but it's uh instead of being like

minor 4- 10 DB whatever you can just take whole frequencies in or out um and you can do it to very fine tune thing so you can bring up a sound and then just

choose to only play 97 Herz and 2K and three other things and you get these totally uh intricate cuz they're born out of complex start points but very other sounding sounds from it yeah it's

a really powerful thing where have we heard it in your music everywhere everywhere I use it all the time everywhere yeah and randomer the the band randomer yeah the producer

randomer yeah with his um song Bring and there's a bunch of other heaters but yeah there was a there was a song I made with floan um shout out flan uh that sample

would bring by randomer that has never been released and has a guest verse from Red who you mentioned earlier just yeah

well you are a friended again yes sir we have to know it's so yeah oh gosh and here's something we can actually hear another gift for you some Grover

Washington God and what can you say about Grover Washington Hannah Hannah oh because nice because Grover and I

writing saying will play plays um on uh the bill song Just the Two of Us and he's playing saxs on that and Hannah is

this amazing girl from there it is side two never caught slipping OD and Hannah is a singer Tera kin is her singing name from Scotland who I sampled in these two

lines where she said uh when the sun comes shining through and she was singing that song in her back garden with distant tones of Grover Washington I think that's pretty cool

like Dylan Thomas took over Washington yeah yeah quite a wild switch up that yeah that's such a good artwork don't you think the wine and this wine Light

wine light I didn't see that that's really good yeah well thank you and thank you Leaf volack thank you Leaf volbeck always yeah one of the great

singer songwriters alive and it led you to Angie yes yeah I got I got into a um I heard my little brother Benji who you

know introduced me to leaf volbeck and he played me uh oh uh Vancouver time is

one of the songs and also um elegy and then uh we went to go see him in this like basement venue in Hackney and he said I'm going to invite my friend up

Angie now to sing a song with me and then and it was literally I mean it was it felt like it was the size of this like there was kind of 50 people and them on stage and Angie came up and sang

She's got one of those voices where as soon as she starts singing you we were just like whoa like me and my brother were like what the [ __ ] is that um so yeah that was the first time I heard Angie sing um and then I sampled her I

don't know maybe a year after that speaking of bumping the famous Boiler Room bump oh yeah shout out Rodney yeah

and he actually came to the clar Shute yes he did yes yeah he in fact Theo who you met earlier is there we were cycling away from doing we did this big shoot with everyone on line

bikes and we were cycling away and I hadn't seen Rodney since the Boiler Room maybe you could explain to people that didn't see the boiler what did he do what he did was he well actually I'm not

100% sure I'm pretty sure he he sto accidentally he was dancing he was being the best he's a great Vibe I've met him since and he accidentally stops the thing I thought it was with his elbow I think maybe it might be like his like

chest or something but because we've watched it since and you actually can't really tell what presses the button um a remote control yeah yeah yeah he's just there

just um and so the uh yeah so then he did that and that was just a funny moment and I was spun out and then I CL what happened and it was all good um but then we were cycling away from doing the video shoot we just pulled up to some

lights and just Rodney just pulled up and he's like hello mate and we like what the [ __ ] there he is so yeah he's always turning up he's everywhere actually Rodney he's at everyone's shows

all the time big hen and red at glastenbury voice notes yes yes yes um I'm doing I'm sort of half answering and thinking about your

questions and I'm half like trying to work out how how this is possible well what I was wondering is like what's your advice for getting artists to consent to being

sampled those are your friends but you have many other people you must be amazing at doing that um that's a yeah it's a Nuance point is I don't um because you know a lot of times artists

say wait till the last minute to release because they don't get to release till the last minute but you have so many it's like you're it's amazing you got anything released yes yeah I hear what you you mean yeah I think I'm really

lucky to have amazing people who help me with it often but I think also I I'll always um like Reach Out personally to the person and explain what their record means to me and why I've done it and

what I'm trying to do with my record so it doesn't becomes some so that they know that it's something that I've spent hours on and care really right and you explain I'm sure great but then they probably say oh I'll get back to you and

don't like what about the followup I like that we're in the admin um I think then that is uh I think then on the follow-ups if they say they're cool with

it then I think it's okay to um you don't need a followup no you do need to follow you need to make it right but I think then it then I think I would defer to the people in our team who help make

sure those things are okay a collage of humanity yeah that's important yeah that's that's the

um that's um such cool cool shoes NWA they're so good colage of humanity was I think a thing that I often think about I think the reason why I like writing in places that aren't Studios and like out

in the world is because you get this constant sort of collage of human like this you know thing just walking by it's always moving and changing in the same way that sometimes in studios you know how sometimes people like to have like a

screen with just like random stuff in the world happening it's like a real life version of that I guess and you just get to see like random interactions and a dad taking his son on a day out and a bunch of friends on a school trip or whatever and it just I think I think

it just keeps your brain woring and alive and moving as opposed to gradually getting sort of Stiller and Stiller and Stiller in a vacuum of a dark room if

you know what I mean mlight request line yeah shout out scream wow one of the Legends one of the best to do it and Humphrey in New Orleans

wow it I was so ready for you to [ __ ] with me but even being ready you're still going Way Beyond um oh you are fredd again we have

some um the so that was I went to New Orleans for one night and it was Halloween it turned out I didn't know it was Halloween and I was at dinner there was this um these two elderly couples

having dinner and they were on like a I'm so I don't know how you've done that one the uh the uh sorry they were on a um they

were having dinner for Hall and I was having dinner on my own next to them and so we said what's up and started talking and then we just sort of walked out and started walking through

New Orleans together and then this girl wearing this like clown mask cuz it was like chaos you know the streets of New Orleans in Halloween is mental and this girl wearing this like clown mask and

like a big like cheerleading fro and like pom poms like came up and started like twerking on Humphrey who was one of the elderly gentlemen I was with and he was there like like like just loving

life and his wife was like go on hrey get it and he was like it was one of the most Sur so I spent Halloween in New Orleans with them and it was it was funny [ __ ] and you were there to do a

show I was there no I was there with my friend who's doing a show yeah who was that do you know Ed Sheran how was that show incredible yeah incredible um the

inspiration of like the way he does it actually all live at that scale is so it's so mindboggling the vibe of like

the the conviction to like really just hold it down like at so many points someone would have said okay now you need to get a bandn or now you need to introduce some playback or whatever yeah just like the integrity and like

conviction to always do these shows bigger and bigger and bigger as they got for him and it's yeah it's incredible to see Fred again winding up here what are some tips on speaking to people like

thank you again for speaking to me nard word human servette but you've also talked to like and convinced the mayor of Perth the New York Police

Department like what of the tips like can you explain the situation please I think um yeah the the shout out the mayor of Perth that was when we were

doing the last rave on our Australia tour a few months ago which was wild and we didn't get like we take the sound of all the shows like really really really really really seriously and getting it

good enough and the right level and proper PA and everything and in Perth they had a noise restriction of 96 DB a weighted which is not ideal um as a

Vancouver resident you know about 96 TB limits cuz that's a lot of the city Outdoors so I said and it was like it was the only show where we had to like make a concession I was like [ __ ] okay we got just do this for this one and

then we got there and they said to me the mayor of Perth is coming to the show and I was like cool I was like can I meet him and so I like said what's up and then I was like just before you go I was like just so you know like we're

currently working with like a 96 DB limit I was I was wondering if we could just push that by like two or three and he was like he's like oh two or three he like you can push it by 15 and I was like oh he he has no idea how loud that would be and then our team were there

like is that confirmed we've got an approval for 100 DB and he was like yeah and so we managed to play yeah shout out the people of Perth that was one of the funnest ones like hands on yeah yeah it makes a big difference that that's

that's like the difference between you know that was 36,000 people or something what about the San Francisco mayor yeah for the late what happened there yes

I that was because I was wanting to um when we were doing the show at the Civic and sanran with my friend Sunny SRC Sunny um I was wanting to get permission to light up their building cuz the Civic

Center is the most incredible building and that was why we chose to do it there but we wanted to have permission to like make that build as opposed to like cover it with all of our stuff we wanted to just make it so that that was what you

saw um and that was proving to be tricky so I asked if I could speak to the person cuz I wanted them to know that it was coming from a place of like we want to make your great Building look great I wasn't trying to do anything weird do you know what I mean but it's great you

weren't right to a s yeah when you can it can sometimes be if you're if you're not trying to do anything yeah I think generally I'll do that when I think we're just trying to do something that I think is good and I can't see any

downside to it now speaking of scrx and drum sounds Etc what can you say about this particular break right here the Winston's Amen

brother um I mean it's the yeah the definitive one I was speaking with my friend Tony literally yesterday what was that he showed me this meme where it was just like someone saying it's just a 3 second drum Loop and then someone else

saying it's my entire personality it's every memory I've ever had it's all things and that's yeah I always think about the idea of trying to go back and explain to the winstons that there's this little moment in their song where they stop playing for a second and the

drama plays and trying to explain that that's G going to give birth to like not just like thousands of songs but like hras just out of this one so yeah kind

of wild but I was curious you use that for baby Keem yes I yeah I used a tiny snippet of the leave me alone of the of the amen break and leave me alone I use

a few other breaks in that as well it be that song has became I made so many different versions I you'll know better than me what's in the actual final one to be honest um but yeah Fred again

winding up here in your house do you have like an old victrola play record player wow um yeah I wouldn't know

that's what it was called what did you say it's called a v victrola vict Trolla right like how would you Des like it looked like a yeah yeah you've been

there I can see um and it's uh the yeah my brother got that for me in uh Delhi in India um when he went

there a few years ago and yeah he brought that back and it's always just being like I've only got a few records that work on it and in fact the other day someone [ __ ] the arm up so I need to get it fixed again but yeah we've I've always had that in the corner of my

living room yeah well I thought I'd give you some records to work on it oh that's

Oscar Peterson 10in on 78 RPM that is so kind I so appreciate that we've only got we've only got like one or two things and they sound really rubbish through it that is exactly the kind of record You'

want to listen to through it and Oscar Peterson can Ian legendary Canadian yeah one of the one of the absolute greats may maybe the For Me Maybe the the best

ever on the keys yeah and that's from 1950 as well it's also great art too isn't it it's almost like a wall hanger too isn't it yeah yeah that is beautiful thank you so much I can't wait to play

that hen is going to love this ah Fred you really picked the right moment to [ __ ]

tell to yeah is that I think that's my friend Isa yeah yeah what was going on there I'm trying to remember

I'm shout out Isa she's ah Fred this is like absolutely wild you quoting I quoting me back to me I can't you know the the thing that I quite like

about a lot of the those sort of little snapshot samples is that often as they go on and take on their whole new life I often can't even remember the original cont of them in a way that I kind of like they come they become different

things based on the songs that you frame them in um and so yeah I don't actually remember embarrassingly but I saw R last week and she's doing great I have

another gift for you Fred a foret record from 2001 I'm very happy to have this I was speaking to Kieran on the way here this is great yeah I was curious fredd again

fored has he told you much about the early like the 2001 era was was his band called fridge is that right if I got that right yeah um and that was a like a free sort of

improvised I think it was born out of jazz but I don't think it was like a jazz band I don't want to say wrong stuff I think he's just got this very like exploratory sort of childlike mindset in a way that makes sort of

everything he does have this kind of through line to me I think he could do 20 different bands and they'd all have like a kind of Kier andness somewhere in their epicenter um but yes I haven't listened enough to the early early stuff smile around the face which I think is

around this this time I think is maybe the record before or after this was a really inspiring song to me so Fredy how did you hear of me nard human surette oh I've watched your stuff since I was a

kid absolutely I think you are the greatest and I'm honored to be here genuinely well I'm honored that you've come to me to nard word the human surette I appreciate that what vid did you get into first do you think I'm just

curious I'm trying to think what that would be I think I mean I think maybe this the Snoop one but like but I think it was just like a whole like me and my friends would always just watch your videos and I yeah I just think I just

think you're the coolest well thank you so much Fred I really appreciate your kind words thank you nadwa well thanks so much Fred anything else you want to add to people out there at all um no

thank you so much nadwa I I made you a card to say how thank how much we me and my friends did it together to say how much we appreciate you so thank you oh thank you very much I I really appreciate that so it's uh my friend

pointed out that we could make a card and give it to Boom for nard War that's incredible thank you so much I appreciate that that end and this is

also shouts to Lucy and Tony and Theo who helped me with it yeah but it's got all of the um oh amazing could you explain what's happening there this is incredible like the

Neptune could you explain what what's happening there what's happening here so this is the um this was the I read that the first speech he go to school was about a cat on thing this is the Hillside School Dance where you got art

Bergman to come this is 101.9 FM this is the snoot dog bones FM thing this is the cramps thing this D did that's your bar that's C radio mic this is to represent

the evaporators cuz it's upside down raindrops we thought that was quite good and uh and then that's a circle around the 29th of September because

it's uh NAD day amazing thank you for all these tidbits even a nerd War D mention that's incredible that like I thought maybe for today doing the

interview but that actually is a nerw day and he'll oh that that's amazing thank you for inspiring a sense of

wonder in me and all my friends and for being such a rare example of always being so uncompromisingly yourself in

every room you're in thank you again a double hug a double hug thank you again for putting this all together and making all the time to put all this together as

well I really appreciate that and also shout out for like the cramps and this is incredible this is my life story thank you this means a lot and I will put this on the mantle piece so when I

like I walk by it every day I'll get inspired this inspires me to do more interviews thank you Fred I really appreciate that thank you well thanks

much Fred keep on rocking in a free world and do yeah oh God thank you so much

NWA thank you so much I think you're the absolute coolest H this is my favorite stand I've ever had I'm going to

cry PS I little bit of behind the nard for you right after the interview as I

was all packed up Fred gain gave me a gift one of the Holy Grails of Canadian

punk rock the 1980 LP by death slime an original mint copy with liner notes

intact death slime from Newland amazing thank you so much Fred again for

this incredible gift and thank you as well for an interview

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