Nick Fuentes Interview (Ft. Hunter Biden)

You said you want to ask me why are you a Nazi? Inclusion has been our greatest

a Nazi? Inclusion has been our greatest strength. Diversity has been our

strength. Diversity has been our greatest strength. White people do feel

greatest strength. White people do feel like we are being boxed out.

A 26-year-old white kid doesn't feel like he has access because he's been cancelled and the problem is black people.

I didn't say the problem's black people.

Well, you just did, Nick. You just said the problem is crime, and we know who's doing the crime in Chicago.

Do you get what I'm saying? Yes. About

the Holocaust things.

Oh. Uh, about that we get to say whatever we want on the internet. We get

to deny the Holocaust. As far as Jews are concerned in general, I think that everybody in the country should be treated with dignity and respect and have their civil rights.

Like, what do you think about somebody like Manny?

Personally, I don't like him. Like, for

example, on Fourth of July when he takes the opportunity to sit there with, let's be honest, not a single white person.

What about [ __ ] Donald Trump? There's

no ideological core to Donald Trump.

No, I agree with you.

Don Jr. got the largest loan ever given by the Department of Defense.

Vance owes his entire political career to Peter Teal. Whichever firm is the one to develop ASI that could confer dictatorial like powers upon the CEO of that company.

Everything that we think about the way in which we exist in the world completely changes increasingly with Uber, Airbnb, banking apps. You can't live your life without

apps. You can't live your life without the tech platform.

Everything that AI is built on is ours.

That's what they're stealing from us. I

want to find common ground of how much of a [ __ ] Donald Trump is. We can

get to we can get there. Okay.

the the kind of first question that I had whenever I caught wind that you wanted to do an interview like this is, you know, why now? What made you want to sit down for this kind of interview?

Well, I think it's an interesting conversation uh to have all of us here and uh you know, I think it's a moment in our country when there's a lot of realignment. You know, I think that uh

realignment. You know, I think that uh people recognize especially in the past couple of years, I'm like a non-conventional critic maybe of what's happening and um so I think it'll be an interesting

productive conversation. I think it'll

productive conversation. I think it'll be different. But I mean specifically

be different. But I mean specifically because we we kind of share a publicist.

I heard that you wanted to uh kind of Okay. We we have a publicist that you

Okay. We we have a publicist that you hit up and you said that you wanted to talk to someone who would give you kind of a fair shot to like clear up some things and maybe some misconceptions about you and the things you believe.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think that um you know I'm somebody who I think like you actually maybe we have this in common is kind of pigeonholed in a certain way for things that we've done in the past or things that we've said.

I'm a crackhead but I'm racist. Right. I got I got pigeon hole there. Mine is true. Yeah.

Yeah. My mind's a little true. Maybe a

little. No. Um but yeah. So I I think it'd be good to clear up some of the misrepresentations and uh and put out something accurate.

So what do you think is the most misrepresented thing about you?

Well, I think really the whole image everybody has about me. Um you know, when you mentioned me, I think on a recent show, you said you want to ask me why are you a Nazi? And that's how everybody knows me. Everybody thinks of

me as white supremacist Nazi. And I

don't think that's really true at all. I

think that we definitely have different values. I mean, you're more from the

values. I mean, you're more from the left. I'm more from the right. But I I

left. I'm more from the right. But I I don't think I'm a hater. I'm not a hateful person.

It is Hitler Friday.

Hy Hitler. All my Nazis. Morgan was

Hitler was very [ __ ] cool.

Yes, I do.

One of them.

And I'm tired of pretending he's not.

So, what's the thing about I guess traditional Nazism that you think you disagree with the most?

Well, it's a it's a non-Christian ideology. So, I mean, look, I believe

ideology. So, I mean, look, I believe that race is real, as the Nazis did, but I don't think it utterly defines a person as a Christian. I think we're all created beings. I do believe there's

created beings. I do believe there's such a thing as a universal human community. And so, I think it's a cruel

community. And so, I think it's a cruel ideology. I've said this on my show, by

ideology. I've said this on my show, by the way, but I mean, that would maybe be the fundamental.

Did you always feel that way?

Always. Yeah, absolutely.

So, even whenever you were younger and stuff, I did. I did, but um you know, you got

I did. I did, but um you know, you got to recognize times have changed. 10

years ago, we had a totally different political world. The regulation and

political world. The regulation and policing of speech, you know, what you would call wokeness, I think, was at an all-time high when I got started as a very young man.

What you would call wokeness.

Yes.

Exactly.

Well, and I think I I mean, would you not say there were some excesses maybe in those days?

Yeah. You know, I in those days I I wasn't doing too well, so I wasn't paying much attention. Anyway, I I would love to hear and I'm not asking you to like retract everything that you've ever said and all that, you know, or

anything, but I said that I would love to talk to you because number one, I I I told you this is that I think you're really smart and I think that with that

comes in a a a real responsibility and um you have an audience and I have a friend whose son is my daughter's age,

you know, maybe 28, you know, your age and and he's really smart and he is a big fan of yours. And so by virtue of the relationship, I got to learn what it

is that he why he is a fan of yours. And

none of it has to do with I would hope you agree like really egregious things that you've said in the past about the Holocaust or about you know, do the Jews ever talk about the 100 million whites that died in World War II

or do they just [ __ ] and moan about the so-called 6 million Jews that died? And

so it's just nice to poke holes in it and say it's not 6 million.

6 million. I don't think so.

And I don't even know. I I think I've heard you since kind of resin a lot of that.

You can see that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.

Possibly more. Possibly. You know, we're discovering all the time. So it could maybe even be more than that.

But what he agrees with is kind of the anger. The anger about the situation

anger. The anger about the situation that particularly your generation finds yourself in. I know that to be real. Um,

yourself in. I know that to be real. Um,

and I think that there, you know, maybe my reasons for recognizing that anger is being legitimate, um, and my targets are different than yours. I just wanted to

hear from you. When you say you're cancelled, you're cancelled by the right in 2016.

Yes. Yes. I almost felt like in in preparing to meet you now is that your reaction to that was to just dig deeper and deeper into um kind of the the

outsider kind of radical say anything for the purpose of generating um you know the attention to build an audience.

Is that true? And it's not an accusation. I I really mean it. I want

accusation. I I really mean it. I want

this to be a conversation as much as possible. I mean, that's there's

possible. I mean, that's there's certainly some truth to that, but I think that might be overstating it a little bit because I really got cancelled by the right and the left.

Yeah.

And back in those days in 2017, you had these far-left journalists, the Huffington Post, right-wing watch, ADL, SPLC, and I really believe they were on

a mission to find extremist rhetoric, the white nationalist, neo-Nazi, boogeyman, all that kind of stuff. And

they would look at someone like myself, 18, and if I was being serious or joking, things taken out of context, they would clip it, post it, and they wanted me to be the villain. And I think they wanted a lot of people to be the

villain. I think the left in a way kind

villain. I think the left in a way kind of created this climate where I think they pushed a lot of people farther to the right.

By the way, that that very well may be true, but you gave him a lot of ammunition.

That's true. You know, I mean, I I I hope that those some of those things that you said in the past are not things that you believed in and that are um you

meant just to engender like a like a a really radical kind of response. I mean,

is that true or Well, you know, again, I think that back in those days, you could not say anything in 2017, 2018, cancel culture

was so in overdrive, any joke, any edge lording, anything like that. They would,

first of all, there was no sense of humor.

I'm so old. I don't even Okay, to break it down for you. So, the

dawn of wokeness, as it's known today, I think was in like the post Trump era.

After Trump won the election in 2016, there was a big movement to deplatform and kind of push away those who I guess the left feel like had galvanized them into the presidency. So there was this big idea that if you push people off

mainstream social media platforms, they would go away. Now we know through Trump's re-election that's not even true. But at the time that was the

true. But at the time that was the mantra, problematic viewpoints needed to be silenced, tucked away somewhere, and they would just sort of die in isolation. So I think that that was the

isolation. So I think that that was the climate where you first got started 2017 that that time period was like crucial for getting people off mainstream platforms. Is that correct?

Yeah. And and I would say that you you got to get into the psychology of those days. It felt like anybody that wasn't

days. It felt like anybody that wasn't on board with the most progressive agenda had no options. There was just no alternative. It was going to be

alternative. It was going to be progressive liberal feminist BLM all that kind of stuff. And if you were to the right of John McCain, you're no platformed, censored, banned from all the platforms. you're fired from your

job, you're ostracized socially. And I

think what happened really in 2021 when Trump got banned from the platforms is it felt like 70 million people got cancelled, 70 million people that voted for Trump or you know 60 70 million

people, we were all felt like, oh, so if Trump is out of politics and we're all banned from the platforms, then how is there any redress for our grievances? Do

we just have to shut up and get with the program and we're all going to be progressive? And I think that that drove

progressive? And I think that that drove people to a far more radical place where people said, "Well, what really is a solution? We can't talk. We can't

solution? We can't talk. We can't

express ourselves. We can't participate in the process or run for office." And

uh and I was one of the people saying that's exactly what's going to happen.

It's going to drive people to extremism.

If you don't talk, if people don't feel like they have a seat at the table and infranchisement, I think then they uh they start exploring options outside the system, outside of the political process, the democratic process. So I

think it's self-inflicted in many ways.

So you feel like after the mastplatforming in 2021 whenever people on the right got pushed to platforms like Parlor, Gab, Rumble, etc. the lack of discourse and like the political singularity of those platforms created more extremism.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Because look,

you take Trump off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and I predicted this in 21. I said, "Watch. You're going to

in 21. I said, "Watch. You're going to see alternative social media rise because some venture capitalist is going to see there's a huge market of 70 million people that are going to follow

Trump because Trump is no platform." And

that's exactly what happened. Rumble

blew up. Elon bought Twitter. And what

happened when you had total free speech on these platforms? Well, Twitter now resembles 4chan. And now, you know,

resembles 4chan. And now, you know, there's no gatekeepers. And I think it did push people in a radical direction.

And honestly, people are even blowing past me. Now there's like mainstream

past me. Now there's like mainstream normie types that are even blowing past me in terms of how radical they are.

People start saying things like there's no political solution. There's going to be a civil war. We need a revolution.

And I think that's because the message from the left was you're crushed. You

have no options. You can't win. There's

no alternative. Trump is going to be indicted and charged and can't run. You

can't be on Twitter. You can't have a job. And so people started to say,

job. And so people started to say, "Okay, well, you know, we still exist.

We're still here. We still have these concerns. what do we do now? And then

concerns. what do we do now? And then

people start to say, "Well, we need a revolution." And I'm one of the only

revolution." And I'm one of the only people saying, "No, we should still engage in the process and and talk with each other." And it's not all one-sided.

each other." And it's not all one-sided.

I think there's problems on the left and the right, but I certainly think it takes two to tangle.

Okay, so there we agree. I think that there are problems on the left and the right, and I don't disagree with with some of the things that that you just said. I guess I just came to a a

said. I guess I just came to a a different conclusion that there are some things that people should be deplatformed for. Not that they can't

deplatformed for. Not that they can't say it where they want to say it, but I think that it's a right of anybody.

Okay, top three things. What do you think?

There's a difference between being able to say that you're proud of your white heritage and also being just a flatout racist. I think that there's a

racist. I think that there's a difference between saying you're proud of your Christian heritage and the white culture from what you come from and Nazis or that you adopt the Nazism as a

legitimate ideology. I think that

legitimate ideology. I think that there's a difference between saying that you disagree with the United States policy as it relates to Israel and saying that the Holocaust didn't exist.

I was like, "Mom, dad, Hitler was awesome. Hitler was right and the

awesome. Hitler was right and the Holocaust didn't happen." And my parents were like, "We cannot believe."

Those are my th those would be top three things in my mind. I know that you believe that some people took you out of context and I do I do agree. Look, I'm

both the right and the left. There are

these gatekeepers 100%. And look at me.

The mainstream press just destroyed me for seven years without any real kind of reflection about what they were doing. I

do think that, you know, some of those things are legitimate reasons to say, uh, you know, I we don't want you on our um, you know, on our commercial platform. Would you agree with that? I

platform. Would you agree with that? I

mean, you just said, for instance, people calling for a um like an armed revolution, like people calling for actual violence.

You're opposed to Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I'm against

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I'm against

violence and I and I do think those are one of the legitimate things that should be taken from the platform. You know,

there's a lot of the stuff on social media I don't agree with. But again, you know, what started to happen is there was this like editorial censorship where certain ideas were banned and and they

just it was such a broad brush and also totally opaque and ad hoc. You'd be on YouTube like I was for example, they banned me for life and didn't even give

me a reason. Not a specific quote, not a specific infraction. And so you you

specific infraction. And so you you don't know what the rules are. You don't

know what the process is. they just take you down. And um especially now when

you down. And um especially now when everything is digital, that's not just the social platforms, it's the other ones like Uber, Airbnb, whatever. It

feels like you're being denied almost something like a civil right the social platforms are the modern public square.

Increasingly with Uber, Airbnb, the banking apps, you can't live your life without the tech platforms. And it felt like if you just simply had the wrong opinions or you were the wrong kind of person, you were being deprived of like

a basic civil right or being able to participate in society. So, you know, and I think maybe that's an area of collaboration where we recognize maybe it is a civil right to use the digital platforms, but here are the rules.

Here's what you can say, here's what you can't say. Here's the process. Maybe

can't say. Here's the process. Maybe

there's a reconciliation mechanism, but I mean, the censorship was just out of control. I don't think anyone disagrees

control. I don't think anyone disagrees there's a reasonable limit, though.

Yeah. No, I I guess what I'm saying is that that I don't see that as a result of left-wing or right-wing ideology. I I

I view that kind of level of deplatforming. Look, look, I was

deplatforming. Look, look, I was debanked. I was debanked before I was

debanked. I was debanked before I was ever even charged with anything. I lost

every bank account. Took me you know 9 months once they um you know the Trump administration uh you know said that they were starting an investigation into me to be able to actually get a bank

account again. And I still I don't want

account again. And I still I don't want to tell you the bank because tomorrow they may debank me again. But my point is is that those people are incredibly

identifiable. I always I keep like I've

identifiable. I always I keep like I've been talking and going around and I say things like I don't think we are nearly as divided as they're telling us we are because I do believe that there is there

are an identifiable group of people that are responsible for an enormous amount of the discord and division because they make money off of it. I think that these social media companies that are

controlled by what three, four, five, you know, individuals have made clear that they only care about one thing.

They only care about how much money they can produce for themselves and, you know, the people that hold stocks in their company. Even to the degree where

their company. Even to the degree where we know for certain that uh they're driving teenage girls to the highest levels of suicide by a factor like

exponential factors directly related to the content that they're being pushed.

and they won't do anything about it.

Right.

And so to the same degree, I think they, you know, uh, a lot of what you call wokeness was a maybe an illegitimate but a, uh, a financial decision based on on a lot of these

corporate scoff maybe.

Corporate scoff.

Thank you.

I mean, by the way, exactly. You know, I mean, I just wanted to back up real quick. So,

you talked about certain people going too far. About two and a half months

too far. About two and a half months ago, I visited a whites only community in Hardy, Arkansas. And I don't know why. I guess coming from like a more

why. I guess coming from like a more like leftwing place. I'm from Seattle. I

kind of assume there was like a united front on the right for some reason. So

I'm out there. I'm chilling with these dudes. They're like sword fighting,

dudes. They're like sword fighting, having barbecues, it was I mean overall it was a good time for them. I had a hard time connecting with them cuz I don't agree with them. But it's all good. I was having fun for a couple days

good. I was having fun for a couple days and then like right as I was there I guess you had hit them up on X or something and said like, "Hey, I don't want to associate with you guys." What

happened there?

Well, that was really more of a personal disagreement with the guy that founded it. Yeah. But I I do think it's an

it. Yeah. But I I do think it's an interesting project and it's interesting that that got so much push back, this whites only community because you know what, if you go to a lot of these different neighborhoods in major cities,

there are ethnic enclaves and it's not like there's an explicit rule that you have to be a certain ethnicity, but we all know in Chicago and New York and LA, you got certain neighborhoods where it

is 80 90% one ethnicity. And I think they I think there's a lot of white people that say we kind of want something similar. I don't think there's

something similar. I don't think there's anything Well, okay, let's back up. If you want to talk about the histories of, you know, New York and Chicago, I feel like that was also a conscious decision that was made like after blacks only. It's in

Cababrini Green where Mayor Daly made everybody that was black live in the Cababrini Green. I mean, it's not that

Cababrini Green. I mean, it's not that wasn't by choice. It's not by choice that these ethnic enclaves are 80 or 90% whatever that ethnicity is. It's because

that's the only place in which they had an opportunity to live unbothered or where they were told that they had to live because of the historical fact that they could not move into other

neighborhoods. You could not move into

neighborhoods. You could not move into parts of uh south Chicago without, you know, being stoned, right?

Literally. Right. And so like that. So

it's not as if those ethnic enclaves are there by choice, you know? And so that also ethnic enclaves do exist for like specific variations of different Europeans like you know there is like places that are chocolate like South

Philly is full of Italians you know there's a little Italy and there's a little Korean I think the issue what I always like that what confused me the most about the whites only community is like there's just so many different kinds of white people in America you know so like to

establish a unified white culture with a place so diverse and full of like different regional flavors just kind of felt confusing to me cuz it could mean a different thing depending on what part of the country or what European enclave you originated from like where Irish

people from the Philly area. Can you

compare that to like, you know, surfers in San Diego or even like, you know, Italian-Americans in Staten Island? I

don't know. Everything just feels so different. So, when I got there, I was

different. So, when I got there, I was trying to identify what they meant by white culture. It wasn't really based on

white culture. It wasn't really based on shared like cultural practices, but more the exclusion of people who weren't white. So, they weren't like stoked on

white. So, they weren't like stoked on being European necessarily. They were

more just like, oh, we're here because those people aren't here. So, it just kind of felt more negative than constructive.

Yeah. I mean, like I said, I'm not really involved with that project in particular. But I think that look, I

particular. But I think that look, I mean, you talk about the anger that's out there and the frustration, and I think part of the frustration, let's be honest, is that white people do feel like we are being boxed out in major

cities in the country. And it feels like, look, there's a little Haiti and there's these various ethnic enclaves where you get that local culture and they do their, you know, cultural festivals and that sort of thing. And

white people feel like they're being pushed out and they want a space where things are familiar. I feel the same way about the Italian festival that happens in every city.

Well, here's a good example. So,

or St. Patrick's Day.

Well, you know, there's no Irish neighborhood in Chicago, Little Italy.

Sure, there is.

I mean, there's some remnant in Bridgeport. It's it's important to note

Bridgeport. It's it's important to note that like and I'm not trying to get into like a shouting match here, but like you know as as a family who did coming from a family who did leave Philadelphia in the '60s because of black migration from the south after the civil rights act was

passed, there was a sort of like mass flight of white people into the suburbs.

And that kind of led to a homogenization of different cultures cuz they they rushed so fast to build these like identical strip mall suburbs that it was very hard to maintain cultural bonds that made different European and white neighborhoods unique around like the

1950s and before. So, I feel like the mass suburbanization is also a big factor that led to those like cultural bonds breaking.

Yeah. But why did that happen? I mean, a lot of the suburbanization is because of the race riots in the 1960s. People

moved out because of the violence. You

know, my grandfather was in the National Guard in Chicago when after MLK got assassinated, the whole west side burned to the ground and people didn't want to be around that anymore.

Why? Why were the riots?

MLK Jr. was assassinated.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so does that justify burning down the city?

Justifies it. But it sure justifies an enormous amount of the anger. The same

kind of anger that you feel about being left out. The same kind of anger that

left out. The same kind of anger that you're expressing right now about the idea that you're culturally irrelevant, that you don't have a place in society.

Imagine if you were a 26-year-old black man in 1968 and saw your hero be assassinated. And

assassinated. And I saw Trump get shot in the ear. And

did he? And I saw Charlie Kirk get shot and I didn't see any cities get burned down. It's funny how that works.

down. It's funny how that works.

I think it's a very very very different thing. I think it's

thing. I think it's How is that different? Charlie Kirk got shot in the neck.

Yeah.

And liberals celebrated all over social media by Tyler Robinson.

Yeah. Who is what?

Who is some liberal guy?

He is.

Mhm.

But that he's got a transgender boyfriend.

Does that makes him liberal because he's transgender? Because he's gay.

transgender? Because he's gay.

Well, because he's got a transgender boyfriend. Yeah, I think so.

boyfriend. Yeah, I think so.

It makes him liberal.

I think he was liberal. Yeah.

Okay. Well, he didn't come from a liberal family. He didn't come from a

liberal family. He didn't come from a liberal enclave. He didn't come from a

liberal enclave. He didn't come from a liberal background. He's not a minority.

liberal background. He's not a minority.

He was a Mormon, correct?

And grew up in a Mormon household. And

he went to a a largely Mormon college.

And he ended up committing an act of violence according to the FBI and and the the authorities in Utah that charged him. How does that in any way compare to

him. How does that in any way compare to what we're talking about? I'm not

justifying the violence that occurred after the death of Martin Luther King.

But you're saying that that person, this Tyler, whoever his name is, is was as disenfranchised as the African-American community in 1968 in in inner cities.

Well, the question is who we want to live around.

I'm not living around blacks. Sorry. I

want white kids and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry.

And in the 1960s, the west side burns down. We don't want to live around that.

down. We don't want to live around that.

We don't want to live around a city when that happened. That's not when the white

that happened. That's not when the white plague happened. It is a big response to

plague happened. It is a big response to it. Absolutely. 100% not you make these

it. Absolutely. 100% not you make these historical um uh connections that don't exist. Part of it was potentially. But

exist. Part of it was potentially. But

before that, what mayor Daly did is made Chicago the most segregated city in the entire United States other than Boston.

when you would come from the south to Chicago, African-Americans from the south, blacks in the south coming to Chicago would say that Chicago was twice the level of segregation and racism that

occurred in the south. And so it wasn't as if you're coming into a situation in which you're feeling in any way infranchised by the community and the situation that you're in. and as many

people left simply because of the idea that someone was black moving into their neighborhood as the violence that occurred after the assassination of Martin Luther King. So the numbers

actually pre 1968 when King was shot you had more people leave the city because of the desegregation because of the 1964 Civil Rights Act than you did after the

um after the riots.

I think that's just not true. I think

that the race riots were a huge driver of white flight to the suburbs. I think

it's just dishonest to say that's not the case.

Okay. So, what's your point about all this?

Well, we're talking about where people want to live.

Yeah, I know. So, like what in in 2026?

Well, okay. How how about in 2020 when Minneapolis burned to the ground? Or how

about in the summer of 2020 in Chicago?

Minneapolis didn't burn to the ground.

It didn't?

No. I mean, there if you guys need a physical witness to what happened in Minneapolis, there were many structures that burned to the ground. not the city, but there was, I

ground. not the city, but there was, I would say, between 40 to 50 buildings off of Lake Street in the southside that did burn to the ground, but the most of the city was intact, but it was it was quite an intense situation.

People don't want to live around that.

People don't want to live around that.

You know, in Chicago, it rolled on into the summer and it wasn't, you know, let's say the anger of the oppressed and the disenfranchised.

They were looting. They were looting and carjacking the criminals. Are you saying that the problem with a 26-year-old white kid living in um in in suburbia

outside of Chicago and his feeling of being disenfranchised is because there was looting and rioting in in Minneapolis by black people and it's black people that are doing it.

Yeah. I mean the problem with Austin Metaf was that he got stabbed in the neck at a track meet and the problem with our city in Chicago is that the magnificent mile is gone. Water tower

place is gone because of all the crime.

Nick, in the time of an entire generation of of of African-Americans is that they've been getting killed by cops for decades. What are you talking about,

for decades. What are you talking about, Nick?

Commit crime.

Listen, listen. It's not

Nick, what?

That's not true. It's not true. Are you

saying the police brutality as it relates and racism in in in the police force in the way in which police treat African-Americans, Nick, you could grow up here like I did between Wilmington

and Philadelphia and if you were a black dentist and you lived in Wilmington and you commuted to Philadelphia, the chances of you being pulled over by a state trooper either Delaware or in Pennsylvania are about 50 times that

would would be if if if it was a white guy. 50 times. And so what you're trying

guy. 50 times. And so what you're trying to tell me is that the problem in America right now is that a 26-year-old white kid who lives in suburban Chicago

doesn't feel like he has access because he's been cancelled or he's been woke and the problem is black people.

I didn't say the problem's black people.

Well, you just did, Nick. You just said I said the problem is crime. And we know who's doing the crime in Chicago. The

carjackings, shootings, teen takeovers.

We know why there's no business on the Mag Mile anymore. And it's because they steal cars. They drive them through

steal cars. They drive them through windows and listen, black people are some of the biggest victims of the black crime, but we're not allowed to talk about it because of the racial dimension.

Not allowed to talk about it. We're

talking about it right here. You have a platform in which millions of people listen to you.

I think well after after Elon had to buy Twitter and open it up. It wasn't like that before. I was banned from

that before. I was banned from everything for many years. So, no, you weren't allowed. You're right. We can

weren't allowed. You're right. We can

talk about it now, but that's only cuz the good guys won.

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You went from being banned on Twitter to being on YouTube to creating an entire show. I know you're not, but now you

show. I know you're not, but now you have kick and now you have all of these other things. You have an enormous

other things. You have an enormous platform. I want to find common ground

platform. I want to find common ground of of how much of a a [ __ ] Donald Trump is. We can get to We can get

Trump is. We can get to We can get there. Okay. I don't what I don't

there. Okay. I don't what I don't understand is how you didn't recognize that in 2016 and how you didn't recognize that in 2020 and how you didn't recognize that in 2024 because

Donald Trump has because Donald Trump hasn't changed. Donald Trump hasn't

hasn't changed. Donald Trump hasn't changed at all. Donald Trump has been Donald Trump since he came out of the womb of a woman that was a immigrant to this country. And so what I want to know

this country. And so what I want to know though is that I don't know how we get past this idea that the biggest problem that you have that that with with your

personal situation and how you extrapolate that to the situation of other white kids that are your age that feel disenfranchised that feel left out that feel they don't have a a shot at

the American dream is because of black and brown people of because of Mexicans because of Venezuelans because of Haitians because of it's always other Nick with you. It seems to me and I've listened to a lot of the stuff. It's

always them. We need to build a wall.

Where's the wall, Nick? He never built the wall. Why'd you vote for him in

the wall. Why'd you vote for him in 2020? Why'd you vote for him in 2024?

2020? Why'd you vote for him in 2024?

I didn't vote for him in Well, okay. My point being is that

Well, okay. My point being is that whenever you identify your problem as being something that is other that you can point to, that's a minority, that is

a group of people, that's the Jews, it's the it's the I mean, before remember all of us, you know, it was the Irish Catholics. who were committing the

Catholics. who were committing the crime, who weren't allowed into bars, who weren't allowed into because you know why? Because they were dirty poor

know why? Because they were dirty poor non Europeans. They were Irish every

non Europeans. They were Irish every time. It's wrong. Every time history has

time. It's wrong. Every time history has proven that that to be wrong in the United States of America every time.

Inclusion has been our greatest strength. Diversity has been our

strength. Diversity has been our greatest strength. And I hear you talk

greatest strength. And I hear you talk about this idea of white culture. What

[ __ ] white culture you talking about, man? What? Literally, what?

man? What? Literally, what?

Shakespeare, Dante, Mozart. We're in

Philadelphia, the founding fathers.

Yeah, that's that's your white man Christo.

Would you consider that part of our white culture?

Sure.

Okay. Well, it was written by a black man in France in the 1700s in a millu of European civilization.

So what? Because you're picking out you're picking out one example. It

really is.

I'm not just kidding one example.

That's Listen, Nick. I'm not I really am not.

Nick. I'm not I really am not.

Hey guys, I think we're reaching what's called a rock in a hard place. Let's

talk about Israel.

Well, let me let me respond to this because you're telling me I'm always blaming the other.

No, no, Nick, for real. For real, here's the thing is that the way that you talk and throw out these historical facts, which by the way aren't [ __ ] facts, which ones aren't facts?

Well, as it relates to the uh the Civil Rights Movement, 1968. And the reason why we're on the problem that we're in is because the Civil Rights Act had passed in 1964, Dr. Martin Luther King

was killed and shot by a white racist, white supremacist in 1968 on a balcony of a motel. That's the root of our trouble because an entire people that have been disenfranchised and enslaved

for over 400 years.

We're sick of hearing about that though.

It's 2026.

You may be sick of hearing about it, but you know what? They aren't. And I'll

tell you what, Nick, here's the other thing. Get over it. It's America.

thing. Get over it. It's America.

But Nick, you keep you can say stuff like that, okay? Without having to say it like that. And we look, this is that's not how it started, though.

This is a legitimate argument, but it's Nick.

Guys, Nick Hunter, what do you guys make of the concept of community collapse?

Have you guys heard of this?

No.

So, it's got nothing to do with race, got nothing to do with money, but this is kind of a crazy stat. So, in 2019, before CO, 76% of Americans said they were a part of an in-person community that gave them some kind of value. After

CO, and this year, it was 19%. So, I

think that politics and race aside, one of the biggest issues is the collapse of social bonds, third spaces, communities, in-person engagement, which comes with loneliness, more time online, and more division. I understand. I feel like you

division. I understand. I feel like you guys aren't going to agree. I want to talk about what you guys think can be done on an individual and community level to stop people from hating each other and to create more belonging and engagement.

Well, number one, I think this h okay for real podcasting.

No, no, not podcasting. This discussion

for me to be able to sit down with someone who I so vehemently disagree with and find some kind of common ground.

Guy at home. Guy at home who's watching this on his phone just thinking, I wish I could go outside. I don't know anyone.

Okay. Well, here's what I'm talking about. It's all about connection. It is

about. It's all about connection. It is

all about actually connecting with people. And I'm not talking about

people. And I'm not talking about digitally connecting with people anonymously online. I'm talking about

anonymously online. I'm talking about actually going out and connecting with people. And I don't I don't have an

people. And I don't I don't have an answer to that. I don't any of us. We

are in an Look, man. I just think that you are targeting the wrong problem, Nick. I think that our biggest problem

Nick. I think that our biggest problem right now doesn't have to do with a um this cultural divide or racial divide or religious divide or the idea that that

America is becoming less white or culturally um uh relevant anymore. I

think our biggest problem is is literally an oligarchy that is inflaming every single division that we have. And

by the way, and they're out for you, man, just as much as anybody else. those

platforms that we talk about that you're not allowed to be on because Elon's out on the platform. Elon doesn't give a [ __ ] about anything other than one thing. Money. Real quick,

thing. Money. Real quick,

money. His money.

I don't necessarily even agree with that.

Okay. Well, you may not agree with that because you don't want to piss off Elon Musk.

Elon doesn't even like me, but I just disagree.

You're talking about the oligarchy, right? Like these billionaires, right?

right? Like these billionaires, right?

Like the goal of corporate capture of these industries is community collapse.

They are trying to engineer things to make it antisocial. They want to eliminate every single small business.

They want to make everyone a a single person shopper, no car pooling, like to be a lonely consumer who only buys things for themselves online and doesn't talk to anyone in real life. That's what

they want in real life. Like all this data center [ __ ] like everything they're doing is is in a way trying to break up in person engagement. And I

feel like for you guys might be hard to answer cuz both of you guys are what they call like controversial public figures. Like there's places that you

figures. Like there's places that you like in 2018 if you were to go to a dive bar in let's say Popular Bluff, Missouri, you would have been in danger.

You know what I mean? that time for you, you were in danger physically in a left-wing city. It's just just the

left-wing city. It's just just the truth. So, I feel like you guys have

truth. So, I feel like you guys have been deprived of the ability um to have normal lives. You especially, you know,

normal lives. You especially, you know, but I mean, you in general, but I feel like, you know, your controversies came a little bit later in life for you. I

feel like you haven't even been able to grow up as a normal person. Is that

accurate to say?

That's true. Well, and in terms of, you know, building community back and everything like that, you know, the data says that really the loss of society is the fact that we don't encounter people anymore. For example, on your way to

anymore. For example, on your way to work or, you know, in ways that are unexpected. People wake up in their

unexpected. People wake up in their house, which is separate from everybody else. They get in their car by

else. They get in their car by themselves, drive to work by themselves, you know, and then they meet with their colleagues and everything, but then they go right home, go home, have a beer, watch Netflix until they go to bed. Next

day starts all over again. And um so you know I think it has a lot to do with maybe how we structure the cities. I

think honestly a big part of it there's like this abundance mindset with liberals. Liberals want to have

liberals. Liberals want to have prosperity and everything like that. How

can you have that when the cities are not safe? I think that one of the ways

not safe? I think that one of the ways for example if you want to have those encounters that are unplanned or spontaneous they're going to happen maybe on the subway on the bus on your way to work. People don't want to ride

the subway anymore. People don't want to ride the bus. I just feel that if you look at the data like right now 2026 I think 2025 had the lowest homicide rate of any year in America for like the past 40 years. I feel like if you compare

40 years. I feel like if you compare data from the '90s like the cities I get what you're saying but the cities I have noticed are a lot safer. They're also

you know becoming more expensive as well. You're absolutely right and it's a

well. You're absolutely right and it's a really it's what you're saying Nick is impossible to refute, right? Because

everybody has an experience with violence or um witnessing crime or whether it's just in their local newspaper or not is that I don't think

that that is in any way limited to only urban environments. I take those the top

urban environments. I take those the top 10 poorest red states in the country and their crime rates are 10 times what many urban centers are. So you'd be comparing like West Virginia coal country

disenfranchised to like an urban neighborhood.

Yeah. In terms of per capita crime, in terms of per capita um murder, in terms of per capita child sexual abuse. Yeah.

I think the things that people really care about, you know, things like that is their own personal safety. It is not limited to African-American urban or latino urban environments. I don't it's

not that it exists. Carjackings do

happen, but you know where they happen?

They happen in Bxie, Mississippi just as much as they happen in Chicago.

I'm skeptical of that.

I mean, I just think the idea of like safety, like safety at risk, crime has been I feel like media has overblown the Everybody's going to fact check both of us on on this and I but I agree with you

is that but my point about it all of it is though is that you can always point to a reason, Nick. There's never been a time in which there hasn't been crime in major urban areas where you pack a lot

of people in. You're right though is that the difference between us feeling like each other were are neighbors and that we can find some common ground is the fact, you know, you can live in

existence now and at by the time you're 56 years old and never really have to leave your house to make a living to, you know, you don't go to the community center anymore. And I don't know how to

center anymore. And I don't know how to fix that. And I certainly

fix that. And I certainly it all connects back to politics, right?

Because community is like an essential human need if not the most important thing. So when you are deprived of that,

thing. So when you are deprived of that, you're more likely to look for a radical solution and be like everything's broken. We need to try something really

broken. We need to try something really out there. So you might embrace

out there. So you might embrace something more reactionary on left or right to be like [ __ ] this, you know, we need something new. And so and I'm not trying to draw this like male loneliness like incel pipeline that the media tries

to do all the time, but do you see a connection there between like people being lonely and having less friends and subcultural choice taking over community value value systems or community engagement and people just like driving to the extreme?

100%. And I think social dislocation is probably the number one problem of our times because you look at the young people and you're right it is one of those essential human needs is to connect and have that sense of

familiarity to really to be seen to see and to be seen and that's something young people don't have and I think by the way you look at the way young people socialize and even the mentality I think a lot of young people have this absolute

drive to go to college. Why? It's an

extension of high school and what do high school and college have in common?

It's a community. You're in the quad.

you can see and be seen. There's sort of like a status reputation. You're

constantly involved with other people.

And I think everybody, young people, look at when they graduate from college like falling off a cliff and now life is over cuz now you just have your job, the gym, and going back home and that's it.

And this is why a lot of young people then want to move to the big cities. Got

to go to New York, got to go to Chicago or LA where it's happening. And they

want to get a condo or an apartment downtown because they want to go to the bar seat and extend college a little bit longer. And um and I think that's just

longer. And um and I think that's just not really a sustainable way to have a society. There has to be a way for

society. There has to be a way for people to still have that sense of community outside of let's say college and high school even into their adulthood and then into their old age.

So yeah, I mean that that's one of the biggest problems going on and I agree. I

think it drives even to your point about the whites only community in Arkansas. I

think it is driving these, let's call it ghettoization or insulation of people going into these artificial values-based communities cuz where are you going to find people? Go online, go online, start

find people? Go online, go online, start spouting about politics or, you know, even not just for incels and right-wingers, but even on the left, someone like Tyler Robinson, he's on

Discord. He's on Discord with all of the

Discord. He's on Discord with all of the Overwatch players and all the LGBTQ or whatever. And I think that, you know,

whatever. And I think that, you know, there's a tendency there where everybody kind of amplifies some of the resentment or feelings there. So I agree that's a huge driver.

So for you, like back in high school when you were like first kind of starting to use the internet and all that, did you build most of your community in person outside Chicago or was it mostly online?

When I was in high school or college?

High school.

The high school I had real friends in the model UN. That was my favorite thing. So that was

thing. So that was But you were still creating like some kind of content at that time.

Not in high school. No.

Okay. So you went to BEu.

Yes.

Were most of your friends like classmates there? like when when did you

classmates there? like when when did you start to kind of build your online persona and community around your content?

It wasn't until I left college. So to

that point, I had friends in college. Uh

and then when I left college and started my show independently, then it was all people online and everybody I knew was people from my community for the most part.

But your cancellation from mainstream platforms uh was effectively the same thing as like a community collapse for your personal life, right?

Yeah. Well, I I wouldn't even say it was just the cancellation, but even more just returning home from college. What

do you think would have happened to you like career-wise and personal life-wise if you never would have been mainstreamed? I mean, I guess removed

mainstreamed? I mean, I guess removed from major social media platforms. Oh, it'd be a lot easier to make friends, uh, let's say, cuz you know, being banned on Instagram, you might as well be dead in Generation Z. That's how

everybody sees each other, meets each other, talks to each other. So, I think I probably have a wider, livelier circle.

Do you feel like you like had less friends after that?

Uh, no. I'd say it's about the same.

No, but I mean, you said that like you feel like it would have been easier to make friends. It would have been easy to

make friends. It would have been easy to make more friends. Yeah, sure.

So, aside from your career, how was your like personal and social life affected in those following years?

Well, it's brutal, you know? I mean, uh because everybody that I knew from high school is on Instagram, on Facebook, and I'm just not on there. It's almost like you're removed from the earth for generation Z. I understand for older

generation Z. I understand for older people, for different generation, people still meet up or stay in touch in other ways, but if you're if you're not online as a young person, you might as well be dead. Do you think you would have said

dead. Do you think you would have said like some of the more extreme things that you did say if you, you know, I guess were allowed to remain on the mainstream internet?

Absolutely. Yeah.

Looking back, and I'm not trying to get you to like take something back necessarily. What's like one thing that

necessarily. What's like one thing that you said when you were younger where you're like, "Fuck, I wish I would wish I could take that back."

You know, I don't know if I regret what I've said, it's just how you say it.

Yeah. Like can you think of an example of like when you listen back to something you're like geez I wish I so I did this rally in 2023 called Fentus Rally 2 and the one comment I said we're talking about a

spiritual battle between Christians and everybody else and I said we're in a holy war I said and we're going to make them die in a holy war and the second I said that I was like didn't mean to say

that. It's an extemporaneous speech so

that. It's an extemporaneous speech so you don't rehearse it. You just say things and I was like didn't mean that.

Shouldn't have said that. Um, so it's always the how. It's always in the delivery that I Nick, I can think of about four things that I really wish you would take back right now. But wait,

right now. But wait, the cookies in the oven.

Well, that's a joke.

But it's not, Nick. My wife is Jewish.

My son is Jewish. No, no, no. Nick,

Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick I promise you, don't get mad.

I'm not mad.

I know. I know. But okay, but you got to understand how incredibly incredibly whether it's a joke or not, it's a lived experience passed down from generation to generation. Whether or not

it and by the way, not just from the Holocaust, not from not just from 1939 on 2,000 years of history, okay? Forget

about Israeli politics and and Netanyahu because I think we agree about BB Netanyahu. I'm positive we do and I'

Netanyahu. I'm positive we do and I' I've listened to you talk about it. But

you got to understand, look at me, man.

I see.

It hurts. It hurt. Nick, I I promise you it does. When you compare my wife's

it does. When you compare my wife's family to cookies going to an oven, it hurts. And you've got to understand

hurts. And you've got to understand that. And by the way, I'm looking at

that. And by the way, I'm looking at you. Yeah. And I believe that you do

you. Yeah. And I believe that you do know that.

That's where you lose me. That's where

you lose me.

Okay, Nick. Okay. I'm telling you.

Well, listen. Are we here to talk or are you here to lecture me and preach?

Okay. No, you're right. Let me listen.

You're right. You're right. This is the thing because you know and I think this is a disconnect. I think that the left and even people on the right, they're losing the young people. Why do people

love me? Not in spite of but because of

love me? Not in spite of but because of the outrageous things that I say. Not in

spite of but because I say offensive things because I let's say drop the n-word on a video or something. It's

because people are sick of the preachiness, the lecturing.

Okay, I'll listen to what you are. But

Nick, I see I disagree. I think that you're appealing to the lowest common denominator of thought. If you're hating on the people that they think are the reason for their suffering, then you

must be on their side. I don't think that you believe that about the Holocaust. I think you think the

Holocaust. I think you think the Holocaust did happen. But forget about whether or not you think that is used politically in a way that is obtuse and and and wrong. But I think that you do

believe that. And I think that you have

believe that. And I think that you have to like what's your cultural heritage?

I'm Italian, Mexican, and Irish.

Mexican. Wh when when when did they come in Italian? When did they when did the

in Italian? When did they when did the Mexicans come? When did the Irish come?

Mexicans come? When did the Irish come?

Mexicans came turn of the last century.

Italians came in the 1860s. Irish came

in the early 1900s.

Okay. So maybe you wouldn't care about something that is like grossly offensive just on the face of it and think that oh why can't people just believe that that's funny? But you got to understand

that's funny? But you got to understand is from a perspective of somebody that has the the trauma and I think that there is such a thing as generational trauma and those stories are passed down generation to generation. When you say

something like that it just they completely shut off. They can't hear another thing that you're saying about this cultural disconnect about losing communities about the about the feeling

of being left out or left behind in a world in which there are no longer is this sense of community. all the other things that you say people everybody else is left and you what you do pick up

you pick up the ones that that hear the dog whistle you pick up the ones that say uh-huh yeah that's the way that I feel because it's radical it's it's like he's willing to say the thing that

nobody else will say in this environment and then you you get you know an enormous amount of niche but you know uh but love from that and I don't but I

just don't believe that you believe that I don't I don't believe that you think that it was appropriate for you to say something like that. I don't think it's you believe that it's appropriate to say women shouldn't vote.

Let's give Nick a second to respond to the first thing.

I know I talk constantly. That's how I that's how I do this.

It's all good. I apologize.

I get it and I understand that perspective and I you know it is offensive and it is provocative and and that's sort of what makes it funny. I

mean what we would say in our generation is edge lording. We're being edgy. We're

being provocative. And I think that it is that kind of overbearing sense for our entire I'm the king of edge lord.

Let's let Nick explain the psychology.

It's that overbearingness that my generation's had our entire lives.

That's not appropriate. That's not

funny. Think of the trauma. That's

racist. That's white supremacist that makes it funny. That makes it different.

Interesting. And let let me grant by the way I think that now and this is maybe a concession towards you. Now that my kind of humor has become mainstream and popular, I don't even think that that's

funny anymore. People do the edgeording

funny anymore. People do the edgeording thing, it's become so commonplace and so tired, I don't think it's that funny or impressive. That's a big part of why it

impressive. That's a big part of why it kind of moved past it because 10 years ago it was treated like sacrilegious.

And there's something funny about the fact that you could say a word or make a joke and make people lose their minds and freak out and it was like an international incident if you said the wrong thing. And I think that's what

wrong thing. And I think that's what made made it tempting especially for a young person. you want to rebel, you

young person. you want to rebel, you want to be defiant, you want to be a little revolutionary or something. Now,

as time has gone on, I think that's become a fad. Everybody does it. It's

lost its power. And I think that, by the way, part of why we're getting less of it is because instead of getting the preachy lecture from the left saying that's not appropriate, people just roll their eyes. Now, when an edgy white

their eyes. Now, when an edgy white person says the n-word, people roll their eyes and go, "Really?" You know that joke again? People hear uh uh someone wears a Nazi costume, makes a Holocaust joke, people go, "Really? That

joke again? It's not impressive. It's

not funny anymore. We've seen it before." And ironically, that is what

before." And ironically, that is what makes you get less of it. When you

disempower those things by not giving them this over-the-top reaction, pretending like it's some some great travesty.

So, you think the new counterculture is going to be to be woke again?

No, I think it's a synthesis.

A synthesis of post edge lordism and wokeism.

Yes. Because I I think that wokeism had its excesses. Edgelording also has its

its excesses. Edgelording also has its excesses. And I think now we're finding

excesses. And I think now we're finding a middle ground between saying the edgiest thing we can think of with no regard for anyone and saying everything is racist. You know, if you say

is racist. You know, if you say something you should lose your job.

We're finding a middle ground where, you know, maybe it's tasteful. Tastefully

offensive in small doses, less is more.

So, it sounds like you believe in the survival of the American experiment.

Yeah, I really do. And and listen, I don't think everything about wokeism was bad necessarily.

What's the best thing about wokeism? I

think that genuinely it has made people more respectful and empathetic because let's be honest 20 years ago let's say when I was growing up I think there was a lot of cruelty and I think there there

were some hateful attitudes and I think as time has gone on this younger generation they may not be even left-wing they may not be what you'd consider woke but I think they are respectful of people that have different

ideas or you know a different way of life or from a different culture you know I we make jokes all the time about the fact that I'm like a far-right guy and I'm Mexican. People say, "I'm a white supremacist. I'm Mexican." And

white supremacist. I'm Mexican." And

people make a joke that a lot of far-right people are Hispanic. And I

think that's a consequence that there's very little genuine racial hatred in in anybody's DNA anymore or any kind of hatred. And I think that's positive. But

hatred. And I think that's positive. But

that went too far. I think some of the other stuff went too far as well.

You know, one of the strange things about sitting in a room with these two is that they agree on almost nothing.

But they've both lived the same nightmare. Hunter had a laptop turned

nightmare. Hunter had a laptop turned into a decade of strangers picking through his texts, his private photos, his voice memo, and even his bank record. Whereas Nick has been doxed,

record. Whereas Nick has been doxed, swatted, had his DMs leaked probably more times than he can count and more shenanigans. Different politics, but

shenanigans. Different politics, but kind of same experience. Somebody

somewhere decided that their personal information was public property, so they exumed it and sent it off to the world.

But here's the thing that most people don't know. A huge amount of that

don't know. A huge amount of that information actually isn't stolen. It's

for sale legally. Currently, there are over 420 companies called data brokers whose entire business is collecting your home address, your phone number, your relatives, your previous addresses, your

income bracket, and selling access to anybody who pays. Last October, one of these vendors got breached and 70,000 people had their government IDs exposed in one day. That's what this ecosystem looks like when it fails. And it fails

constantly. Now, you might be thinking,

constantly. Now, you might be thinking, "Okay, but I'm not Hunter Biden, Andrew Callahan, or Nick Fuentes. Nobody's

coming after me. And honestly, I get that. But here's what actually happens

that. But here's what actually happens when your info is sitting in these databases. Every spam call you get,

databases. Every spam call you get, every spam text about a package you didn't order, every weird email from a bank that you don't use, that's the data broker economy. It's why scammers know

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Ablas Espanol.

No, not a little bit, I guess, from high school.

Can you do a little bit?

Poco. I don't speak it from my dad. So,

did you grow up like around a lot of Mexicans?

No. All white people for the most part.

Did they know you were Mexican?

They did. And not going to lie, I mean, people people made fun of me for that.

What' they say?

Well, like for example, one time when I was in Model UN, I was entering high school as a freshman. They looked at my name on the roster without knowing me.

And they told me this after the fact.

The leadership of the club, they said, "Oh, we thought you were just some Mexican kid, so we gave you a bad committee assignment."

committee assignment." Wow.

But see, I heard that and I laughed. I

said, "That's that's funny." You know, whereas a lot of people would say, "Oh, that's traumatic. I'm a victim of

that's traumatic. I'm a victim of racism." You know, I think that's um you

racism." You know, I think that's um you know, it's it's just a human thing.

Yeah. I always felt like growing up as like a white kid in America. What if you want wait what if what if you were and identified as being Mexican and they came to you and and they didn't tell you

that's the reason that they gave you all the bad committee assignments.

That would be unfair.

Yeah. It's interesting. I'm just saying that's the whole point, isn't it?

Some you may find it funny because you pass as a white Anglo Christian.

Do you think I pass?

What?

You think I pass as a white Anglo-Christian?

Well, I I not I not only think you pass, I think you identify as a Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, let's go.

Yeah. No, but but for real and my my point is is that I heard you do an interview. Okay. And I literally on the

interview. Okay. And I literally on the write up here is like you were talking about um how you were raised on like Mark Leavvin be in high school, right?

And the thing that you like the the most about Mark Levvin is how cruel he was to the the callers.

I don't see I I don't get that. I like

the joke about the cookies. It may be a joke and it may be edge lording and you may not really mean it but you got to realize the cruelty to it and without going like oh like you know wh like you

know people got to stop crying about the past and that's the thing is that I think that you have such an opportunity to talk to a generation of disaffected

angry um legitimately angry people in a way in which is is positive without having to do that [ __ ] And by the way, and I'm not holding you responsible for like, you know, the end of of of uh, you

know, my conception of Western civilization, which is different than yours, but I just don't get it. I don't

get why you find the cruelty. And I

think that, by the way, I think that that's why you like Trump. I mean, this is I'm making, you know, like a very unfair leap because his first instinct is cruelty. His first instinct is to

is cruelty. His first instinct is to find the fault in the other about everything. By the way, it's not his

everything. By the way, it's not his fault that that we're in a war with Iran, that he's ended 38 times and, you know, and started 39. It's not his fault that inflation's high. It's not his

fault that the wall didn't get built.

It's not his fault that I killing people on the streets in where in in these places. Is it the cruelty of it? Maybe

places. Is it the cruelty of it? Maybe

it's a generational thing. I got friends who are Jewish that are going to be really really [ __ ] pissed off that I'm sitting next to you. And what do I tell them? What do I tell them? why it's

tell them? What do I tell them? why it's

okay for me to sit and have this conversation with you.

I guess I just have such a different opinion of that. You know, why why should we have to explain ourselves to talk to anybody? And why is it that saying the wrong words or making a particular joke makes it so the Jewish

person wouldn't want to watch my show? I

have a lot of Jewish fans. I mean, some of my best friends are Jewish. I've had

Jewish employees and they recognize that, you know, just because I'm not necessarily nice all the time doesn't mean I'm hateful. doesn't mean I don't even think they see it as cruel. I think

they see it as it's it's a little rough around the edges. And I maybe that's the difference is I I guess it's just attributing this weight to something that be considered a joke and maybe doesn't have a cruel intention behind

it. Like you know Mark Levvin, you got

it. Like you know Mark Levvin, you got to remember at the end of the day it's an entertainment show. It's

entertainment. People call in, he gets frustrated with them. It's part of what I do on my show and uh it's not always nice but it's funny and I don't think it's mean-spirited necessarily and I don't think it's that big of a deal. So,

I mean, the the thought that I would like, for example, with you, people would say, "Why do you talk to Hunter Biden? His father and his DOJ froze your

Biden? His father and his DOJ froze your money and put you on a no-fly list." I'd

say, "So what?" I mean, it's just talking. I don't think talking's a big

talking. I don't think talking's a big deal. You know,

deal. You know, froze my money and put me on a no-fly list too.

There you go. See, so we got that in common. So, a different question that I

common. So, a different question that I have that kind of weaves everything together. How do you think like October

together. How do you think like October 7th and the subsequent like pro Palestine movement and the online worlds it created led to a growing audience on the right?

October 7th in particular. Well, I I think it it highlighted and brought to the forefront how captured the right-wing is by Israel, which is very unique. I think the Democrats and the

unique. I think the Democrats and the Republicans are pro-Israel, but the Republican party has this inextricable institutional connection with the Israel lobby, with this lyood government in particular. And I think people just

particular. And I think people just started to see the hypocrisies. The

hypocrisy was brought to the forefront, which is America first, but not with Israel. No new wars except for with

Israel. No new wars except for with Iran.

Under Trump, we will have no more wars.

No more wars. No more wars.

They said he will start a war. I'm not

going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars. Tonight, Iran's navy is gone.

wars. Tonight, Iran's navy is gone.

You know, we're going to be racist and all these things, but don't you dare be anti-semitic. Don't even, you know,

anti-semitic. Don't even, you know, think about it.

I see good things about Hitler. Also,

every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler.

So, I think that on the right wing, it made it unignorable that there's this ideological institutional capture.

I just feel like a lot of straightforward like just anti-semite influencers were taking advantage of the post October 7th discourse to push other ideas, broader ideas about Jewish people as a whole.

Come out and say it like I think that Jews are causing a disproportionate amount of problems in the United States.

Well, I mean, I I think it's hard to ignore some of those other conversations. I I know that it's it's

conversations. I I know that it's it's now become maybe in vogue to say that the Israel issue is very narrow. It's

just Netanyahu. It's just the Lykudnix.

It's just the Israel lobby. But, you

know, what would you say about someone like Larry Ellison? I mean, somebody like that, I don't think fits neatly into this, let's say, problem of Netanyahu as far as installing very We wise and whatnot.

Yes.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. because this is somebody who's not Israeli. He's not

even a religious Jew, but he's ethnically Jewish and has this deep affinity for the state of Israel.

You know, I feel a deep a deep con emotional connection to the state of Israel and the Israeli people and is using and mobilizing his power and resources and connections to benefit Israel and the private sector. And so,

if you were to say, "What's a law that we could pass to prevent that kind of influence?" What would it look like?

influence?" What would it look like?

He's an American citizen. he can't buy a media company and hire Barry Weiss to run CBS News. And yet we recognize that's a big problem.

I just feel the conflation of like anti-ionism and like Holocaust denial played into the hands of the Israeli propaganda apparatus cuz then they can say, "Hey, look, these people that oppose what we're doing in Palestine also don't think the Holocaust happened

for it's a big jump in in the public perception." It was almost to me as if

perception." It was almost to me as if that was your intent to to lose any legitimacy about any argument as it relates to Israel and the Lud government is to say those edgelording things or

whatever.

Jews are money changers, [ __ ] artists psychopaths charlatans grifters manipulators.

I don't know anybody that can hear you after you say that, including myself. It

delegitimizes everything because I don't think that you a little bit of more compassion.

Let's try to stay a little I don't want to do any character attacks on Nick. I I

I'm not attacking his character. I'm not

attacking I'm what I I promise you I I I No, but as far as compass I I'm more just mean straightforward. Do you feel like the rise in anti-Semitic online influencers post October 7th has given Israel more ammunition to work with in

terms of casting everyone who opposes what they're doing as just like a rabid Jew hater? Um, in some cases, yeah, in

Jew hater? Um, in some cases, yeah, in some cases, sure. But I I also think that's overstated because I think that, you know, look, let's just be honest, the I do believe the political left

wants to make the Israel issue very narrow and they want to say that the issue is this genocide in Palestine. And

on some level, they think that the Israeli government is racist.

You banging pig. You bloodthirsty

violent pig dog.

And that's the problem. And I think that that ignores that there is a broader conversation and it does have to do with the Holocaust and it does have to do with Jews as such and and Jewish

nationalism and Jewish identity. Um so

to to try to shoehorn it in and say, "Well, if anybody goes further than this very narrow critique of Israel while they're actually helping Israel, I don't agree with that. I think we have to unpack the whole conversation."

Well, do you care a lot about Palestinians?

Uh not more than I care about anybody else. So, I guess that would be why that

else. So, I guess that would be why that they would be like, "Okay, you're just taking advantage of this discourse."

I don't think it's taking advantage. I

think that we can sympathize with the Palestinians while also realizing that, you know, look, I'm an American and so it's a tragedy what's happening in Palestine, but there's tragedies happening all over the world. My problem

is that Israel has this influence over our government.

I'm a newcomer to politics, but not to backing the Jewish state.

And we're paying for the genocide, and we're furnishing them with the weapons to commit the genocide. And by the way, America is going to be held liable for this genocide morally, but also politically and diplomatically and

otherwise. But I think that people on

otherwise. But I think that people on the left may they may be guilty of maybe caring more about Palestine than they do about America.

Nick, but the left didn't cancel you.

The right cance canceled you first. The

right canceled you first. And and Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire and that was those were the people that can. They may

have utilized the tools of the left or what you call the left to be able to do that, but it was the right that canceled you. And by the way, what I would

you. And by the way, what I would consider a radical right, the Daily Wire to me is is a is a radical right.

I I don't think they're even reactionary. I don't think they're that

reactionary. I don't think they're that conservative at all. Ben Shapiro, I mean, he's not like he's in favor of In 2016, they were they were alt-right.

No, they were not.

Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire weren't they were to the right of Mitt Romney.

You know what I mean? That's what I mean. And that's

mean. And that's Mormon conservatives.

My point was that's who you were canceled by.

I was also canceled by the left.

No, I know. They came along. They came

along because some of the more egregious things that you said that you said is edgeorting, they came along. And whether

you call it cancelling or saying like what the [ __ ] This is what I call it.

What the [ __ ] Like, you know, like what the [ __ ] you know? And so like I don't find it funny. And just like you're able to say, well, I just think it's funny.

I'm able to say I don't find it [ __ ] funny. I don't find I didn't find it

funny. I don't find I didn't find it funny then. I don't find it funny. Now,

funny then. I don't find it funny. Now,

I didn't find it funny that some of the things that, you know, you said about me, but I'm I'm willing to sit here and and and listen to to you because I want to get to this. And this is my whole

point. What about [ __ ] Donald Trump?

point. What about [ __ ] Donald Trump?

Yeah, we can get to that. How did you get how of all the people in the world, but you could look at and say he doesn't believe anything?

So, for context for the viewer, Donald Trump is currently the sitting president of the US. for our audience abroad. Uh

the war with Iran uh was supposed to be over. Now we're back in business, baby.

over. Now we're back in business, baby.

Hania had a pretty sick funeral if you saw the video. So you guys don't like Trump. You used to like him.

Trump. You used to like him.

I did.

You've always hated him. He's tried to destroy your life.

Yeah.

You guys were cool. You guys hung out once at Maraago with Kanye.

You've never hung out with Trump.

Right. Would you want to?

No.

But do I want to? Yeah, I look man. I I

would I like Can we get him? Can we get him in the motel? So, I want you to imagine I want you to imagine he's in the motel with us. That's Trump. What do

you want to How about What do you want to ask him?

Oh, you know, putting me on the spot. I

don't want to ask Donald Trump anything because I know and I and I think you would agree with me is that Donald Trump isn't going to give me any a an authentic answer. Donald Trump never

authentic answer. Donald Trump never gives an authentic answer. He gives what people refer to as being authentic, but it's not authentic. It's audacious. It's like

not authentic. It's audacious. It's like

the the example that I give that is the best metaphor for this is that he says he's 6'3, weighs 225 lbs. And everybody

laughs because that's a little bit like edgeerting, right? Everybody knows that

edgeerting, right? Everybody knows that he is maybe 6 maybe 6 feet and weighs maybe 300 and 285.

He's a big guy. He's a pretty big guy.

Yeah, big guy. But by virtue of every picture ever taken of anyone that's 6'3, he's not 6'3.

I am.

Okay. Yeah, I know you are.

Thank you.

You're 6'2 and a half. Maybe. Maybe.

But my point is is that the reason I don't have a question for him is because I'm absolutely certain that he is not going to give me an authentic answer.

Look, he came into the Oval Office, my and the transition this time and he told my dad that he thought that he did an amazing job. He did an amazing job with

amazing job. He did an amazing job with the economy. He did an amazing job that

the economy. He did an amazing job that with NATO he did an amazing job and that he got a raw deal from his side and anything he could do particularly for Hunter. Hunter got screwed. whatever I

Hunter. Hunter got screwed. whatever I

can do, you let me know. [ __ ] He then went out and he has now since then done nothing but blame Joe Biden for every single one of his problems. 11 months ago, I inherited a mess. Joe

Biden hand us handed us over a country that was in very serious trouble. Biden

gave us a horrible economy.

And I really mean this. I think the good parts of the Trump economy and the bad parts of the Biden economy. He mentioned

my dad's name or my family's name six times a day in the first 100 days of of this administration. Six times a day. He

this administration. Six times a day. He

does it maybe four times a day now because he has no answers. All he has is a finger to point and that's all he does. My point is I don't know what to ask him. You know,

why are you such a dick?

What does your dad think about the war?

Right. But I don't I'm not going to get into what my dad thinks about the war.

Is it really? Because I don't want like I don't want to get into um I I not put words in in my dad's mouth just like I wouldn't ask you what your dad thinks about the war. But your dad wasn't the president of the United States which is

a little bit different.

I look I all I can say is this is that every single Israeli prime minister since Jimmy at least Jimmy Carter was president has walked into the Oval

Office or picked up the phone and called the president and said we have to attack Iran. And every single one of them has

Iran. And every single one of them has said no. And they may not all have had

said no. And they may not all have had the same exact reason, but one of the reasons they did is because they knew what the consequences would be as it relates to the lifeblood of the economy is petroleum in the streets of Hormones.

Every single one of them knew that. And

every single one of them knew that there is no way unless you send in ground forces to be to to to end with certainty the nuclear program that the Iranians

have supposedly been building. Every

single one of them knew that the existing Ayatollah, the Ayatollah at that time had put out a fatwa, a a an edict saying that they would never turn

their nuclear technology into a bomb.

The supreme leader of Iran issued fatwa.

Having weapons is forbidden. It's haram, which means never we can have nuclear weapons.

It was a religious edict as strong as if the pope had released an in encyclical.

But what did he do? He kills the Ayatollah. We get a son that now has a

Ayatollah. We get a son that now has a far more radical and far greater ties to the um the IRGC. And what do we have?

The straits moves are still closed. He's

he's he said that they're brilliant people. I find that that's Donald Trump

people. I find that that's Donald Trump on everything. He said he'd end the war

on everything. He said he'd end the war in Ukraine on day one.

That is a war that's dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I

settled. I will get it settled before I even become president.

And I didn't hear anybody on the right or and and say that's just [ __ ] There's it's just [ __ ] He said he would build a wall. I don't believe in building a wall, but everybody said

that's [ __ ] And then when he got into office, the corruption, the level of the corruption, I mean, people believed or led to believe that there was this thing called the Biden crime

family, right? I know that you know is

family, right? I know that you know is that I didn't do a single piece of business when my dad was president. I

made basically $200,000 a year selling paintings. I picked the thing that was

paintings. I picked the thing that was the furthest possible thing away from from uh from politics that I possibly could. Don and Eric have done over $1.3

could. Don and Eric have done over $1.3 billion in contracts just in contracts for underlying companies that they have an ownership stake in with the Department of Defense. Don Jr. got the

largest loan ever given by the Department of Defense of a company that he bought into like 3 months before they got the loan because Peter Navaro picked up the phone and called uh DoD to get it

done. My point is I don't have anything

done. My point is I don't have anything productive to say to him that I know of.

And when I listen to you and I listen to what you do is my question is is how did you not see that before? He was a disaster in 2020. a complete and utter disaster as it related to what he did

with co regardless of whether you think we were supposed to be wearing a mask or not.

The question for Nick is how did you not realized six years ago that Trump would be this sort of let down because he doesn't hold you know he there's no ideological core to Donald Trump.

No, I agree with you. Well, you got to realize in 2016 where Republicans were at. We had John McCain, we had Mitt

at. We had John McCain, we had Mitt Romney and the perception on the right is that they were insufficiently conservative and that they were losers.

All they do is lose because they don't fight. There was this perception that

fight. There was this perception that the Democrats are ruthless fighters.

Obama crushed in 2008, crushed when we thought we he really should have lost in 2012. That was a Republican perception

2012. That was a Republican perception that Romney let us down. And so when Trump came on the scene in 2016, it was new. It was refreshing. He seemed like

new. It was refreshing. He seemed like somebody that was really going to take on not just the Democrats, but also the media on our behalf. And what's more, you got to think about the mood of the moment in 16 as well and the message

Trump was giving. Trump said in 16, "It's just me and my son and my wife. We

don't have any donors. We don't have any special interest.

More than hundred million dollars put in of my money." Meaning, I'm not taking all of this big money from all of these different corporations like she's doing.

We're going to put America first. Make

the country great again. This is a very appealing message and I talk all the time on my show about it and realizing now that it was obviously a scam and now obviously unfulfilled completely. And

you're right, Trump is non ideological.

The message was brilliant because it said one, the system is broken.

America's not great anymore, but it used to be. We can make it great again, but

to be. We can make it great again, but in order to do it, we need to actually bypass the system. Why is it that we never have victories? Why is it that things don't change? Because of money, he said. And that's why I'm different.

he said. And that's why I'm different.

I'm rich. I'm a billionaire. If I

self-fund my campaign and don't take super PAC money, then I won't have to listen to the lobbyists and the special interest. I could fire the people I need

interest. I could fire the people I need to fire, do the things I need to do.

That was like a very powerful message in 2016. And after four years, I was one of

2016. And after four years, I was one of the people even back then that said, "Look, it never materialized." He did wind up taking super PAC money. He took

Apac money for that matter. Sheldon

Adlesen money at that time in 16. Even

in the first term, bombed Iran. In the

first term, didn't build the wall. In

the first term, didn't even reduce illegal immigration until 2019. And I

remember the timeline perfectly because I covered it every day. It was like in May and June 2019, 20-year illegal immigration high in terms of month over month. But why did I go for him in 2020

month. But why did I go for him in 2020 at the height of the pandemic? We all

thought on the right that if anyone other than Trump was president, you were going to get a vaccine mandate, which we really didn't want to be forced to take the vaccine. We thought the lockdown

the vaccine. We thought the lockdown might never end. We thought that censorship would kick into overdrive.

And so we said, really, it's unacceptable that anyone other than Trump would would just be a disaster.

And then obviously Biden came in and I don't think it was as bad as we thought it would be to tell you the truth honestly. But by 2024,

honestly. But by 2024, I mean, I was out in 2024 cuz everything you're saying is totally true. And I was telling people on my side, I was saying he's not going to build the wall. And I

know you're against that. He's not going to do the mass deportations promising that he's not going to start no new wars. I said in 24 he's going to take us

wars. I said in 24 he's going to take us to war in Iran. And the Ukraine war, I said, "That's not going to end in one day. Too complicated. were already in

day. Too complicated. were already in it. Um, and so I didn't vote. I didn't

it. Um, and so I didn't vote. I didn't

vote in 2024. And I told my followers not to vote for Trump for that reason.

And it was only until a year later after all the exuberance died down and people saw the bearing of the Epstein files, the war in Iran, people said, "You know what? You were right. You were right

what? You were right. You were right about Trump." Even Alex Jones told me,

about Trump." Even Alex Jones told me, "You were right about Trump. I I was all in on him." So, I mean, as far as him being vaporware is concerned and a scammer and and fundamentally, you're

100% right. no ideological core. He's

100% right. no ideological core. He's

not an ideological guy. Yeah, it is.

He's literally all about him.

And I agree. He's a cruel narcissist.

And you said, "I like the cruelty." I I do not like the No, no, by the way, no, I didn't say you like the cruelty. I said, "I'm listening to your thing and you say one of the things that you liked about Levvin was the cruelty." And and not for the

the cruelty." And and not for the cruelty sake. It didn't seem to me like

cruelty sake. It didn't seem to me like there is because it was raw. It was

Yeah. Yeah. And that's So I I'm not saying that.

No, but I do I agree. I think I think he is cruel and even what he said on Easter. I mean we're Catholic on Easter

Easter. I mean we're Catholic on Easter Sunday he says we're going to annihilate Iran and then he made fun of Allah on Easter Sunday. So you know that that

Easter Sunday. So you know that that kind of stuff it just totally turned me off entirely.

Is there anything that you think Trump can do to like regain the support of the I guess Gen Z and millennial right?

No, it's over. People see what he's made of and Hunter is right. He's a liar. He

is a liar. He is a a [ __ ] artist.

And especially you look at what he did with the Epstein files with the war in Iran, what he did to Thomas Massie.

This guy named Thomas Massie, there's something wrong with them. They just

vote no. They love voting no. They think

it's good politically.

You realize that if you are America first, you have no place in this Republican party. Cuz he said it. He

Republican party. Cuz he said it. He

said our Republican party or rather he said MAGA is Mark Levvin, Laura Loomer, Randy Fine. He said and who is not MAGA?

Randy Fine. He said and who is not MAGA?

Megan Kelly, Tucker, Alex Jones, Candice, and I think most Republicans said, "Well, we're with those other people. We're not MAGA anymore." So,

people. We're not MAGA anymore." So,

what do you think happens, Nick? I

believe that we need radical change. And

I'm not talking about violence or revolution or things like that. I'm

talking about the only ways that you're going to have this kind of radical rethinking of the of the of the system.

Like I there's so many qu like what do you think about the Epstein files? What

do you think about the accountability?

Do you think that he's broken the system to the degree that we now are basically in a dictatorship light?

No. I I actually I have a lot of confidence only because I think the Democrats are going to take the House in 26, which I support. I'm telling my people, vote Democrat. We want the Democrats in the House because what they're going to do is they're going to

use the oversight powers to bring all the corruption to light because I know Republicans will watch this and when you say, you know, we we didn't commit crime, they're going to be skeptical.

However, for the sake of argument, let's say the income you made during Biden was ill gotten for the sake of example. It's

just not doesn't hold a candle. It

doesn't even come close. Doesn't even

touch Jared Kushner, Howard Lutnik, Steve Whitoff, Don Jr., Trump himself.

It's just a different sport. It's a

different game entirely. And I want all that corruption to be revealed. And I

think the Democrats are going to do it.

I hope they get impeached. I don't think they'll be removed from office, but I think it'll basically drag this administration to a halt. And then 28, I think there's an opportunity for a clean reset wi with both sides, right and

left.

Hey guys, quick thing before we get back to Hunter and Nick. So these two guys individually have been hammered on all sides by the American media for years.

And if you want to understand why the coverage looks the way it does historically, you got to ask an important question that nobody asks. Who

owns the outlets doing the hammering?

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All right, back to Hunter and Nick.

Whenever you talk about Trump, sometimes you you explain this like nightmare scenario that revolves around a Vance presidency.

Yes.

What about JD Vance being in power scares you so much?

If Trump doesn't have an ideological core, then Vance really doesn't because Vance is a chameleon. That's not his real name for openers. Never had a real job. These are all synicures given to

job. These are all synicures given to him by Peter Teal. 6 years ago, he's a never Trumper.

I'm a never Trump guy. I never liked him. I think that he's leading people in

him. I think that he's leading people in a very dark direction and that's ultimately what worries me the most.

Terrible candidate. Idiot if you voted for him. Might be America's Hitler.

for him. Might be America's Hitler.

Uh I was wrong about Donald Trump. I

didn't think he was going to be a good president, Brett. He was a great

president, Brett. He was a great president. Now he's a national

president. Now he's a national conservative, national populist. And so

we don't even really know who he is. I

mean, to me, this is this is basically a manurian candidate. This is a shell. And

manurian candidate. This is a shell. And

who is the power behind him? It's the

it's the oligarchs. It's the little tech oligarchs in bed with the CIA, you know, especially at this fever pitch with AI.

I think that's really dangerous. So, to

me, him being president is just a worst scenario in my mind.

For the uninformed viewer, what is the Palunteer JD Vance connection?

Well, Palanteer was founded by Peter Teal. Um, and Peter Thiel's very close

Teal. Um, and Peter Thiel's very close with David Saxs. JD Vance was given his first job in Silicon Valley by Teal.

Teal hooked him up with it. You know,

the the CEO of that company said it was a personal favor to Teal that I hired him. And then Teal got him all his jobs

him. And then Teal got him all his jobs at these various venture capital firms, including his own, and then funding JD Vance's venture capital firm. Peter Teal

gave $15 million to Vance when he ran for Senate in Ohio in 22. Peter Teal

secured President Trump's endorsement for him in 22, which basically got him the nomination in the seat. So, I mean, as far as anybody's concerned, Vance owes his entire political career to Peter Teal, who deres his fortune from

Palunteer.

And now he's a Catholic like you and me.

Well, he's a convert, so you know, beware of the convert.

So, do you think that that Trump's unfulfillment of his campaign promises was a result of him being like compromised by somebody connected to that structure, or do you think he always just never cared?

Uh, I don't know that it's he never cared. I just think that, you know, me,

cared. I just think that, you know, me, I'm an idealist, so I think about the ideas and the concepts. Trump is a businessman, and so I think with him, everything's transactional. And I said

everything's transactional. And I said this in 2024. He knew Trump knew the voters would swallow anything. The

voters could not would not walk away from the table because they were enamored with him.

I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters. Okay? It's like

incredible. So he knew he could break every promise with them in order to fulfill promises for the donor class, which is little tech, the Israel lobby, and Wall Street, the bankers, Tim Melon,

um you know, the big asset managers. So

I think with him, everything's business.

Everything's a transaction. And that's

why you can't trust him. You have to do business. And in 24, I said we should

business. And in 24, I said we should all collectively say we're not going to vote unless he makes certain commitments. And not enough people did

commitments. And not enough people did that. But I mean that that's

that. But I mean that that's fundamentally his flaw.

Your critique of this like elite power structure sounds like vaguely anti- capitalist.

It's not it's not anti- capitalist. You

know, capitalism says the capital large amounts of capital will be held in private hands, which I believe in. I am

a capitalist. But I think what is happening is that it's the way that money is used in government. There needs

to be a distinct and separate national power that it that subordinates the money power to it. The problem is the billionaires buy all the elections, buy all the media, control public

perception, and so re really we're all subsidiary then to the market. So I I support capitalism, but it just has to be underneath the nation, underneath the state.

It seems like you have a pretty optimistic uh perspective on the year 2028.

Well, he's going to get a third term. So

Trump 28, Trump is going to be president in 28.

Kind of keep coming back to this like clean election year. Do you think that's going to be like a renaissance year for outsider candidates and outside media channels like this one?

It can be. I I think it certainly can be because I think there's frustration on the right and on the left. You know, you see even in the primaries on the Democrat side, it's all DSA progressive types that are winning. You you

ironically have the same frustration on the left with their establishment as we have on the right. And so I think, you know, in 2028, it's going to be a year where there'll be a competitive Republican primary and Democratic

primary and hopefully the people make their voice heard and we get we get some new options, you know, maybe that reflect the will of the people more.

Yeah. And so like what do you think about somebody like M Donnie?

Personally, I don't like him. I don't

like some of the things that he said.

Like for example, on Fourth of July when he takes the opportunity to sit there with, let's be honest, not a single white person in the room and says, you know, the the founding fathers are would

look down on us, the working people with their dirt streaked hands against the billionaires. I think it's a little too

billionaires. I think it's a little too divisive. I like his energy. I like that

divisive. I like his energy. I like that he's young.

It's ironic. Okay, fair enough.

That's rich, buddy. But no,

but it seems it seems pointed at me.

I know. But I But yeah, but but the the thing he was dissing you in that video.

Yeah, a little bit.

Staring down the camera like for you, Nick. You son of a [ __ ]

Nick. You son of a [ __ ] People like me.

Yeah. But um what I see is somebody is using government for exactly the purpose that you just said is to break the igopoly to target the anger towards a

tiny tiny tiny percentage of the population that is uh that has controlled the the the levers of government from the white house down to

the the mayor's um office in New York City or Peoria Illinois to that matter and even more so as you go further down that chain. And so I look at somebody

that chain. And so I look at somebody like Mandani and and regardless of his delivery, which may be off-putting, particularly from somebody

coming from your side, is that he's delivering, man. You know what I mean?

delivering, man. You know what I mean?

is really delivering, you know, like I I saw somebody going after mom Donnie for some of this stuff and and um particularly about rent control, you know, and I was like, how do you think

that the middle class was built after World War II in the GI Bill and and rent control um buildings that created those communities that we were talking about

an hour ago? The GI Bill provides returning soldiers and veterans a range of benefits including mortgages to purchase homes, loans to go to school,

and this really was instrumental in creating the new American middle class.

created the the availability for somebody that was 26 years old that had a job with the MTA to be able to live and work in the city and put the kid in

a school uh with the idea that they would be safe walking there and go to a park that you know where the where the water fountains worked. That's

what I see him trying to do. I mean by the way it's just so tired and you know rid he's a communist communist like it's about the communists. Like who even says

that anymore? Who? Nobody. Like, you

that anymore? Who? Nobody. Like, you

know what? This is 19 19, you know, 81 and, you know, uh, we're watching Rocky five and worried about the communist.

You know what I mean? I I just don't I don't get it.

Rocky 4.

He does. He does.

Was it Rocky 4? My My whole Philly legitimacy was just blown right there.

But it just kind of And so I look at somebody like Mom Donnie, I think, well, he's just talking about good government.

Like what do you think about healthcare?

Don't you think that there should be a a singlepayer system? Don't you think that

singlepayer system? Don't you think that there should be some guarantee as as as a right? Because I don't know how you

a right? Because I don't know how you make it in this country and aspire to a middle class life and be able to afford a um you know catastrophic event as it relates to your health. I mean it's over. You're done.

over. You're done.

Yeah.

I I don't support singlepayer, but I do believe that everybody should be entitled to some minimum level of coverage catastrophic insurance. So in

principle, I agree, which is Medicare for all to a certain degree, right? I mean, because that's

degree, right? I mean, because that's all the Medicare does right now. But why

is that radical?

See, I don't think that's necessarily radical, but I Well, to to to them because we've been convinced that it's that it's a radical.

Yeah.

Those others.

Yeah. No, them. I mean, the insurance companies.

Sure.

And the the the lobbyists who control 55% of the of of of Congress regardless of who's in power.

Right. Yeah. Well, and I don't think that's necessarily the most radical. I

think though he is with the DSA, the Democratic Socialist of America. He

backs all these DSA candidates. And

let's be honest, a lot of them are radical. Like I saw one of these

radical. Like I saw one of these candidates that just won in New York a couple weeks ago, this shioalier candidate. There's a picture.

candidate. There's a picture.

She hates my dad.

Yeah.

She said about my dad.

She said awful things about him. And she

says, "Uh, oh, I didn't have a napkin to wipe my hands, so I used the American flag."

flag." Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I think it's

Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I think it's crazy, but I but like the same way that, you know, I thought a lot of the the stuff that some people that got elected in 2016, 2020, even during the Tea

Party, you know, kind of movement was, you know, egregious. Again, egregious.

If it's a legitimate rape, uh, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

So, what do we do? What do we do, Nick?

I think a better question.

I mean, for real, what do we do? Can you

at least come a little bit to this way?

You can come a little this way.

I can Here's where here's where I can come is this.

Do you get what I'm saying about the Holocaust thing?

Oh. Uh, about that. Um, no.

I mean, really, I I do. I do. Um, and listen, I here's what I'll say. Now that I'm older, I I do think that's

um not the best approach. So, I agree with you on that. And I and I see it as I get older, you know, because let's be honest, saying those things when I'm a younger guy, when I'm, you know, 18, 20, it's like, you got to think that's just

the age.

Jews are running society. Women need to shut the up. Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.

And a lot of young people think that's funny and everything like that. I think

that it also goes with the medium as well. Live streaming, social media,

well. Live streaming, social media, that's just what it rewards. Um, so

yeah, I think that people should uh try to move past some of that. I'll try. But

if you if you try.

Yeah. Okay.

Absolutely. For

real. And as it relates to when you talk about Israel in Netanyahu government, what's happening now, what's happened for the past 20 years in terms of whether the funding to Israel, whether

you think it is, it's really important that you make a distinction between that and Jews. Because here's the thing,

and Jews. Because here's the thing, okay? Zor Mani Mandani has a higher

okay? Zor Mani Mandani has a higher favorability rating in the United States among Jews than BB Netanyahu does. I

think 65% of American Jews disagree with the approach that the Israeli government has right now. They don't disagree with you, but they completely turn on when

they hear the conflation of Jews, Zionism, Israel as and and think automatically anti-semitism, whether it's fair or not. Okay? But you have to

understand it and you have to understand it from a cultural perspective in which the recent history is only one data point in 2,000 years of history as it

relates to what it means to be a Jew of which is there is what 1%.5% of the entire world's population because I don't know what it adds to your argument or what it adds to your argument about

Miriam Aden being able to give $300 million um to Donald Trump and commit to giving another $300 million to get her away and we end up in a war with.

Yeah. Well, and I I think that's a valid point. I do think though that the issues

point. I do think though that the issues broader than just Netanyahu.

Oh, maybe by the way, it it it obviously Netanyahu has a base within Israel within the within the Jewish community here in the United States with Jared Kushner. You know what I mean? Chair

Kushner. You know what I mean? Chair

Kushner, who is unelected, not a member of our government, is having as as more control over the direction of everyday lives of American people right now than anybody that I know of. And meanwhile,

all he's doing is building a $6 billion um private equity fund with the people he is negotiating for. Um, and I always say, look who's getting look who's paying him and wondering whose interest

that he is um advancing. He's getting

paid by the Saudis, get paid by the Amiradis, paid by the Qataris. is

getting paid. Go down the list. And for

some reason, he is in control along with um uh Steve Wickoff, who is also not elected by anybody of deciding whether or not the straits of our moves are going to open up and uh and whether or

not our our gas prices are going to go down. It may not matter to the three of

down. It may not matter to the three of us necessarily, you know, an extra dollar 60 cents or 85 cents, but you know what? to 85% of the people that

know what? to 85% of the people that live in America. It means it it's the difference between whether or not they're going to be able to pay rent, you know, whether or not you're going to be able to actually put the gas in your

car in Montana to drive to your job on the, you know, on the ranch. Well, and

here here's what I'll say to you, and this is something kind of why I want to do this interview is emphasize the message that as far as Jews are concerned in general. I think that it's the same standard that applies to everybody, which is as long as you're

patriotic, as long as you believe Americans should be put first by their government, I have no problem at all.

And I think that everybody in the country should be treated with dignity and respect and have their civil rights.

It's just this acute problem of these people like you mentioned like Larry Ellison and Miriam Madson and Jared Kushner. They're putting some other

Kushner. They're putting some other country before the interest of our own.

And that in principle is what I have a problem with. There is going to be some

problem with. There is going to be some people who watch this and feel like all right no takeback sees. And they might feel like you're just kind of trying to moderate and that now that you've achieved your goal and got a lot of support, you're kind of moderating cuz

your main aim has already been achieved which to sort of have a generational run and pop off. So now you're trying to kind of make your way more into the mainstream discourse, but that you'll just go back again into the same sort of reactionary rhetoric once you're back in

a number one spot.

Well, I don't even think I'm moderating.

And I even told our mutual friend, uh, it's it's not even a moderation. It's

not even an apology. It's clarifying

because, you know, all along I've been saying this message. It's just that the way that I'm saying it changes and evolves. And I also think how people

evolves. And I also think how people respond to it changes as well. Because

let's be honest, 10 years ago, there was a very different kind of conversation about Israel. You could not mention it

about Israel. You could not mention it in a negative or critical way without being utterly annihilated in politics.

We all know that ever since October 7th, that's not the case anymore. So, I think that there's a there's sort of something reciprocal happening, which is that people are receiving me differently. And

as someone that's growing older and more mature, I'm I'm even representing myself differently. So I I wouldn't even call

differently. So I I wouldn't even call moderating, just clarifying. People are

more receptive and I'm maybe better able to articulate it.

And you think that's because you've kind of gotten older and been able to have like a longer career in media to reflect on your different changes in your perhaps brain chemistry and lifestyle.

That's a huge thing. I mean I know it's 27 I have a very different mentality than I did when I was 20.

What's the main kind of main difference?

just more even keeled and I think every you know you know too it's like when you're 20 you're just like a maniac and then you hit 25 and you're like all right you know I was a maniac when I was 49

my brain chemistry has definitely changed in the last seven years too you know and and I do believe that people can grow and they can change and I'm not asking you to and I'm not asking you to

to say things but there are certain things that I just hope that you can hear without feeling attacked that some of the things that you said, whether it's edge learning otherwise,

are really hurtful and then people completely turn off to the idea of being able to listen to you about anything and then you get dug in more and you're like, "Go [ __ ] yourself, like, you know, you can't take a joke kind of thing."

And that's not what it is. It's not just wokeism. It's just it's not it's um

wokeism. It's just it's not it's um people being really really hurt by it.

And um and I accept your apology for all the mean things you said about me.

Yes.

Yeah. You know, I'm I'm uh I'm on my apology tour. Is that the one thing you

apology tour. Is that the one thing you did say? You said I was a degenerate

did say? You said I was a degenerate crackhead. And I have to The problem

crackhead. And I have to The problem with that, not you.

Me?

Yeah. Yeah. And

I also said you were cool though.

Yeah. No, by the way, you said a degenerate crackhead. And you know what?

degenerate crackhead. And you know what?

I'm not even mad about that because I was a degenerate crackhead.

I spent more time on my hands and knees smoking anything that even remotely resembled crack cocaine.

It's true.

And now you're sober. I find it interesting. You also said that you've

interesting. You also said that you've never drank before, right? Yeah. I've never had a drink,

right? Yeah. I've never had a drink, never done drugs.

That's because you grew up, you know, with me. You like, don't be that guy.

with me. You like, don't be that guy.

I grew up with you, too. And I was doing Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

You're not as smart as he is. My brother

never drank. My dad, too.

And um I was going to ask you, Nick, what kind of prompted your choice to just like be sober for life and never drink?

Well, uh you know, a big part of it is I had a lot of addiction in my family. You

know, my grandfather was an alcoholic, committed suicide. Uncle died from an

committed suicide. Uncle died from an overdose from crack cocaine. My mom, two of her uncles, heroin addicts for their entire lives. And it just devastated my

entire lives. And it just devastated my family. Devastated both of my parents.

family. Devastated both of my parents.

And uh and so I know I have that addictive personality and probably have the genetics for it. And and not only that, but I like being rational. I like

having my sober mind. I think that's actually a sacred thing uh to have unimpaired reason. So the thought of

unimpaired reason. So the thought of losing control and and even being tempted to get into, you know, worse things, I just thought it's just not worth the risk. So it's just never for me.

Well, how much, by the way, sorry, do we have time? Is it is it how much do you

have time? Is it is it how much do you think um CO warped not just your generation, but everybody? I I because I

I have this this theory that that there was this thing that broke for us with co and um and that nobody's really come to terms with how traumatic that was for

for everyone and especially for the younger generations. I think severely less for

generations. I think severely less for the older generations, but for the younger people missing the graduations, missing critical years in school, that's when the socialization happens. That's

when you learn to get along. And so you think about how this generation is going to grow up having two to three lost years uh you know no sports, no school, no extracurriculars, vacations, it's

devastating and we already had a problem with that isolation, social dislocation, loneliness. I can't even imagine. So

loneliness. I can't even imagine. So

it's going to be devastating, I think.

But that's a lockdown, you know.

So maybe if you're watching this video after this, you know, put your phone or computer away, go outside, make a friend, just do anything but scroll to the next video. Back in the day during Nickelodeon they had go outside day.

Oh yeah.

You know I feel like we need we need like one day a week where it's mandated in a tech oligarch sense that no one can go on their phone or use the computer.

Man, I would love that. I mean that's one thing is if we could the one thing we could all agree on. The way I see it now is you're all carrying around a bag of heroin in your in your pocket.

Everybody is. And it's it's probably even more dangerous in some ways.

Would either of you guys ever run for office?

Are you asking me for real?

Yeah.

Um no.

I think that that politics, the way that my dad engaged in it, and that I'm obviously incredibly biased, is an incredibly noble thing. But that's not

that's not where my head is in terms of what I want to do. I want to reach my whole thing is is that forget all of this. I want to reach a million people

this. I want to reach a million people in addiction. I think one of the biggest

in addiction. I think one of the biggest things about addiction, one of the reasons why it is is uh that continues to be this um you know, epidemic is that we don't talk about it. is that you

don't even talk about it around your dinner table. And what you realize if

dinner table. And what you realize if you're coming from my particular unique situation is that everybody comes to me and they give me they tell me their

story. And sharing that is like, you

story. And sharing that is like, you know, breaks that cycle of shame. And so

I want to reach a million people in addiction. How about you, Nick? Would

addiction. How about you, Nick? Would

you ever run for office?

I don't think so. No. Um, just because you can't I don't think you can fully be authentic when you're running for office because you uh it's a different role.

And I think my role they say according to the Overton window idea, ideas that are inside the Overton window are ideas that are politically safe. The

public is ready to accept them.

They say that if you want to change people's opinions and uh what they consider acceptable, you kind of have to be the first to the punch and maybe considered a bad person or evil or whatever in order to promote your view.

And so that just doesn't lend itself to that kind of uh politics. So I think to protect my own integrity and authenticity of the message, I have to not run for office.

See what we just did? We just made probably the entire audience happy. One

half is glad I'm not running. The other

half is really glad he's not running.

If not you guys, then is there any candidate or prospective candidate that you feel like could run in 2028 that would, you know, have a fair shot that y'all support?

Nobody in particular for me. Honestly, I

haven't really been too impressed with who's come out of the Republican party.

So, I'm hoping they'll just be somebody we haven't heard of. Somebody maybe that hasn't been in office before.

He's voting for Gavin Newsome in 20.

That's right. Yeah. Well, if it's Newsome Advance, I'd certainly think about it.

Yeah.

How about you? Anybody that you know creates a twinkle in your eye?

No, I think that there are a lot of people. I mean, I know that you think

people. I mean, I know that you think that you're going to laugh at me, but I I I personally like Gavin Newsome a lot.

I think that um he's authentic in those beliefs whether you whether you agree with them or not. Thomas Massiey's uh principal stand as it relates to to um the Epstein files was incredibly courageous.

Do not let the Senate muck this bill up.

I am sorry if one of your billionaire donors is going to get embarrassed cuz he went to Rape Island and that's why he's not going to be a congressman anymore. But that's why, you

congressman anymore. But that's why, you know, he could potentially make a really strong national candidate. And you guys think America will exist in a postepstein capture freeway?

Will America exist?

Yeah. Like, you know, will America survive the current power structures strangle hold on the media, the political system, and all public affairs?

I don't know. I I think AI is going to really be transformative. It's

interesting. Nobody seems to be talking about that.

Transformative in what sense? Like for

for bad concentration of power. That's the

biggest single biggest. And you know what? I'm actually on the liberal side

what? I'm actually on the liberal side on this with anthropic over the let's say you know because there's this battle between these effective altruists effective accelerationists and I really

am nervous about what's going to happen especially in the next four years because they're racing towards this artificial general intelligence artificial super intelligence and that without a doubt is going to be the

single biggest influence on the country and so I'm really worried about that and what about that concerns you is it surveillance it's the concentration of power in the hands of whoever controls it. Whichever

firm is the one to develop ASI, that could confer dictatorial like powers upon the CEO of that company. So whether

that's Sam Alman or Daario, you know, if the artificial intelligence is aligned with its creator, that person will become the most powerful person in the history of mankind on it's almost an inherent truth in my

opinion what he just said is that the the greatest leap in uh human evolution is going to happen within our lifetimes.

AGI let alone you know super intelligence is everything that we think about the way in which we exist in the world completely changes and I don't think that that's in any way hyperbole

and if you listen to the people that are developing these technologies right now they are the they are the most um alarmist I think AI will probably like most

likely sort of lead to the end of the world if you want to know what life's like when you're not the apex intelligence ask a chicken.

And now, by the way, I think that there's an enormous possibility for incredibly beneficial things to society like the being able to cure cancer. I

just think of this one thing. Everything

that AI is built on is ours, belongs to you and you and you all the way back through the the human civilization.

That's what they're stealing from us and they're putting it into the hands of literally a a handful of people. all of

that human knowledge and and and the value that comes from it and I think that that's ours. So any AI that is developed particularly that goes to H should be a it should be communal. It

should be shared in in the not just the beneficial offshoots of it but the actual money of it should be shared.

Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think

it's like nuclear bombs but it's also a commodity at the same time. the weapons

potential, the economic potential. I

think that's going to be the biggest thing. And I I hope on some level that

thing. And I I hope on some level that liberals win that argument because you know what Trump is doing with the Pentagon anthropic and open AI. The way

they're handling it is so reckless and sloppy and and just honestly unbelievable. So, we need some adults in

unbelievable. So, we need some adults in the room on that one.

Well, it's been a great conversation. I

appreciate you guys for coming. You guys

have any final questions you want to ask to each other or maybe a message you want to give to the American people? I

still believe in America and I truly believe in these conversations and I think everyone that's watching would think that I would would not want to sit down with Nick and this I guess what I'm getting at with you is that is that I

hope you see the humanity in me and so when the way that you that you talk in the future takes that into consideration and what I'll do is is I I will see the humanity in you.

Yeah, I agree. I think it was a great conversation and I think that you know we have to come together on the things that we agree on which is for example that we love the country. We both

believe in America. We both want the country to succeed and and I like what you said that we see the fundamental humanity in each other and I think that you know especially in the events of the last year the killing of Charlie Kirk you realize that's actually not

something that that people on both sides share. I think there's people on the

share. I think there's people on the right and the left that don't see the humanity in the other side. And so maybe that's the new consensus or that's where we can come together is on the basis that you know we disagree on fundamental

issues and even sometimes it gets heated and we yell at each other but that we do ultimately want the best for each other.

We love each other. We want the country to succeed and I think that's a starting point for any solution and any conversation.

All right American brothers, thank you guys so much for your time. I really

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