OnlyF*** Girls Get TRIGGERED When Their Business Gets EXPOSED

Uh you had a question for me. Go ahead.

>> Um what is your stance on >> what is [snorts] I mean it's your opinion on it big but uh so okay um generally I'm I would say I think as a

general idea I think porn is bad for society. I think it's bad for the

society. I think it's bad for the individual people who do it. I think

it's bad for the consumers. Um I think it's moving us towards uh I guess a greater more degenerate society. Um now I want

to balance this with I think somebody who like a man for example or even a woman who consumes porn in moderation I think some of the harms of porn

consumption are overstated. Now if

you're addicted to porn and it has massive impacts on your relationship I think that's bad. My personal view though, I don't believe if I'm in a relationship with a girl and it's not

like long distance and we're seeing each other um you know regularly. I I don't watch porn in a relationship. Don't

think you should be masturbating in a relationship. You should save that for

relationship. You should save that for your partner. Uh if you're not in a

your partner. Uh if you're not in a relationship, then whatever. You're

[ __ ] you're not seeing somebody. You

want to watch something 30 minutes, an hour, whatever. That's fine.

hour, whatever. That's fine.

>> Do you believe that for all relationships or just are you talking about your personal relationships? Well,

I mean, I'm talking for my personal relationships, but I would be prepared to prescriptively say I think consumption in men or women is going to be harmful for the relationship. Now,

even outside of a relationship, I would say consumption will be generally harmful to you as an individual also and will have uh downstream impacts on

future relationships. For I mean, and it

future relationships. For I mean, and it can manifest in different ways. It could

either be this person, whether man or woman, has an expectation of either how sex should be or how attractive somebody should be. Um, and this this would go

should be. Um, and this this would go both ways. Uh, it would apply to men and

both ways. Uh, it would apply to men and women. Women who consume porn typically,

women. Women who consume porn typically, um, they're watching really degenerate stuff. They're watching really rough.

stuff. They're watching really rough.

And it's like, I think the average guy, uh, you women have basically bullied men into this rough sex thing, which I think is a bit peculiar. Look, if people have kinks, if you want to be choked a little bit, you want your hair pulled, you want

to be spanked, whatever, that's fine.

But some of this [ __ ] I feel like it can be a little intense. I don't know.

Um, Mary laughed. But, uh,

>> and you don't think men are watching the extreme stuff?

>> Oh, men men are definitely watching extreme stuff, too. But, uh, women watch in terms of what women consume, it's like a lot of it's like really rough stuff. And like having the expectation

stuff. And like having the expectation in a relationship, uh, that a guy does this. Look, I mean, look, people have

this. Look, I mean, look, people have their fetishes, kinks. There's a degree of look, if it's consensual, it's fine.

Um, there's some stuff that I think is probably okay. Other stuff I don't, but

probably okay. Other stuff I don't, but um, so there's that component. But, uh,

okay. Now, as far as Only Fans goes, um, Only Fans is another layer, though.

So all that stuff I just referenced about >> right >> about the nudity I personally like I the nudity I don't think is that big of a a

deal. Like I can I can sit here and say

deal. Like I can I can sit here and say it's generally probably bad for society.

I think it's bad to be consuming. It's

bad for the individual. Probably bad.

That's kind of when it fans >> it's not that big of a deal. Like

watching it's not that big of a deal or particular or whatever. I don't really care that

or whatever. I don't really care that much about that. So my because my criticism of Only Fans goes beyond the nude content production component, >> okay?

>> Because I think some people can make compelling arguments for the acceptability of nude content. They're

going to make free speech arguments. Uh

you're not going to be able to it's going to be very difficult to, for example, pass laws to prevent people from uh producing nude content. Uh, so

from a politically tenable position, I think probably most likely pornography is here to stay. I don't think there's really going to be an avenue politically. I mean, never say never.

politically. I mean, never say never.

There's all kinds of political things that we can do to potentially ban it, but I think it's unlikely that it will be challenged from a political angle.

So, I'm kind of less concerned about that. I think some of the harms are

that. I think some of the harms are overstated. But with Only Fans, I think

overstated. But with Only Fans, I think the bigger thing is, which I think is completely indefensible, is the scam component of Only Fans. So, it's one

thing if you're agree if you're a porn producer, like, okay, you know, the >> you're making nude content, whatever, whatever. But the scam component is, and

whatever. But the scam component is, and there's a couple different components.

So, we have one girl here. Do you have a management company?

>> I manage myself, >> by the way. A lot of women who >> and >> who do even if they do have a creative director, >> even if they do have a management company, even if they do have a typer or

chatter, they're not going to admit that they do have one. Uh so the scam component of Only Fans is twofold. One

is if you make a rep representation on your Only Fans platform, you're talking to me, the girl. You're talking to me.

>> I have a friend that's responding to all my messages right now, and the only things that are being sold are just like pre-made videos.

Right. So my position would be that's some degree of fraudulent activity.

>> Oh, no. She's saying she's saying Lola is on whatever. You can go and see her now.

>> Well, that's different. If you So, it wouldn't be fraudulent if you disclose to the person uh the person you're communicating with who is paying money to engage in messaging. You're not

talking to the girl. You're talking to this >> uh person who makes $5 a day in the Philippines.

>> Some accounts, I would >> and who's typically a man. Now, now

they're probably using AI, I would imagine, to do all the typing and chatting. But so these Only Fans girls

chatting. But so these Only Fans girls who many of them, some of them, especially the higher earning ones, >> I have to prove myself with voice notes.

I literally voice note every day. Well,

you could because people, there's so many girls that are out there scam.

>> You could pepper those in. And then like 95% of the other work is some dude in [ __ ] the Philippines making $5 an hour.

>> You don't You don't know about this? The

typers and chatters? No,

>> you don't know about typers and chatters. So, it's the way women on only

chatters. So, it's the way women on only fans make money is they through messaging.

>> Understand?

>> Right.

>> Obviously, >> and so there's there's this component and messaging sometimes with dozens, hundreds, thousands of different people, one person typically, especially

>> unless you have a VIP page then. So on

my free page, I had like 19,000 fans and it was genuinely just you buy something from the wall and I'm probably not going to talk to you because how the hell am I supposed to >> Well, even if you don't do it, this is still true for most Only Fans girls.

>> I know. I know it is. I know for for >> right. So I mean also it's like how are

>> right. So I mean also it's like how are you going? They're [ __ ] online 24/7

you going? They're [ __ ] online 24/7 constantly always >> or they'll buy a video and it's meant to be like nude and then it's going to be them like covering up their >> Oh yeah. Some of the girls >> hearts with like little pieces of tape

and stuff and it's just Yeah. It's

inauthentic.

>> Or there's some girls like recently I've heard there's some girls that are doing Only Fans that don't even enjoy sex and then and they're not doing it for that reason. I'm like, "Girl, if you don't

reason. I'm like, "Girl, if you don't enjoy your job, get a new job. What are

you doing?"

>> So, so you enjoy what you're doing then?

>> Yeah. I love I I love it. Yeah. I have

sex for pleasure. I masturbate for pleasure. My uh videos are authentic and

pleasure. My uh videos are authentic and real and Yeah.

>> But don't you feel some amount of shame that you're doing this?

>> I feel no shame. No. Why not?

>> I'm sorry. I just don't >> You don't have to.

>> So, let's uh let's just finish off the the point here.

>> So, there's there's the typer chatter fraud where you're basically look if if you're a company and you could say like let's say Justin Bieber offered up a service for his fans. It's not a sexual

thing, but not on Only Fans, but like, hey, if you pay $50 a month or you pay for individual messages, >> you can actually be corresponding with

me. And that's the advertisement. And it

me. And that's the advertisement. And it

turns out that it actually wasn't Justin Bieber >> who was actually talking to his fans. It

was an assistant.

>> Uh maybe somebody overseas.

>> This would open Justin Bieber up to a lawsuit for fraud.

>> Yeah. So that's one of the components of fraud with only fans. The other

component of fraud is the this is even a deeper level which I think is more insidious is the women are um a lot of women claim to be single but they're

actually uh in relationships. So they

claim to be single and they do what I consider a romance scam. They sell a girlfriend experience and they they through the parasocial relationship that

they develop with their um typically male clientele. They're going to bait

male clientele. They're going to bait these men into thinking that they are developing and building a relationship, a romantic relationship

with the man in an effort to siphon money from them without any actual genuine intention of like dating the guy, but with but they

lead these men on as if yes, I will, you know, we're pursuing it and they will do as much as possible to delay delay delay delay meeting and then they try to

siphon as much money as possible under the guise of oh we're dating we're in a relationship. Uh so that's another layer

relationship. Uh so that's another layer I think worse below the one that I just mentioned as to the fraud component.

That's really despicable. Um

>> why are you talking about these guys?

Sorry.

And then you you can imagine though um like imagine if it was the reverse uh imagine if you know there if if you're a man and you induce a woman into a

romance scam and siphon money from them you get a Netflix special made about you. What was it? The [ __ ] Tinder

you. What was it? The [ __ ] Tinder swindler. Uh so it's interesting that we

swindler. Uh so it's interesting that we have wholesale massive scale of romance scam happening on only fans typically in the direction of men uh that basically

just is accepted. People are just like oh they deserve it. They're stupid. Uh I

take a bit perhaps a bit more empathetic approach to these men. I think most of these men tend to be incredibly lonely in incredibly desperate to some degree.

Yes, buy or beware, but they're being misled by these women. I'm a companion to a lot of guys that I talk to and I genuinely love chatting to them.

[snorts] I think that >> you like chatting to them.

>> Yes, I do. I video chat. I voice note. I

like Yeah.

>> How much do you charge for that?

>> I'm not disclosing my prices.

>> You do charge for it though.

>> Yes, I do.

>> But that's trans like you know it's not something that I'm forcing anybody to do. I'm not forcing it. They come to me

do. I'm not forcing it. They come to me and I provide a service. But maybe if they're like they're widowed or they're they have disabilities. You're single,

right?

>> I am.

>> Yeah. Do you know any are you aware of this phenomenon? Do you know any girls

this phenomenon? Do you know any girls who claim they're single, but they're actually married, >> but they don't say that publicly or they actually have a long-term boyfriend?

>> I guess.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't think these guys are the victims you're making them out to be. I think

like they need to live in reality at some point. Like they know what they're

some point. Like they know what they're getting into. they willingly sent their

getting into. they willingly sent their money to like someone on the internet.

>> Um, >> I have a question.

>> Well, I mean, >> real talk.

>> So, I'm not taking full accountability away from them. So, I think uh as a man, I mean, with any sort of purchase, there's a degree of buyer beware. Uh,

although that actually isn't totally the legal standard. Like, co corporations

legal standard. Like, co corporations have a duty to not mislead their the their customers. Um, so yes, uh,

their customers. Um, so yes, uh, yeah, they should have some diligence when it comes to this, but I think you have to understand a lot of men can be

very naive, especially men with minimal or no dating experience. Um, maybe it's some older men. Uh,

>> right. But an only fans model, like that's like thinking the stripper actually likes you. That's like thinking the waitress actually flirted with you.

>> Sure, but you you But that's the game.

And that's the game that the only fans girls are playing.

>> And like do you think that that is the biggest issue with Only Fans is like you said like this is worse like this is next level right when don't you think the first level the worst level is only fans just existing in the first place

because that's misleading men to seek validation and security and something that is not going to be present. It's an

artificial sense of security. So

personally I'm going to disagree with you. I think that the existence of porn

you. I think that the existence of porn in general leads men to believe that they're going to find a sense of security in a woman who is getting monetary gain out of it when they're getting nothing but getting deeper into the [ __ ] rabbit hole that's pushed

onto them by the over sexualization of everything in society. And Only Fans is like the peak of that. Well, but so my because Only Fans is unique in the sense

that it's adult content packaged with the parasocial actual like for example before Only Fans if a girl

was a porn star like the consumer did not have access to them on a parasocial level. So absent fans there was

level. So absent fans there was before Only Fans.

>> That's what I'm saying. I'm saying it's but you're saying the the the nude content is the issue. I agree. It is an it is an issue. But the unique issue I

have with Only Fans is the uh the frauding the frauding, the typer, the chatter, the messaging, but it's not actually them. But then the girlfriend

actually them. But then the girlfriend experience where they're siphoning money from men who uh these women are misleading them to believe that a relationship is being developed when

there actually isn't a genuine intention on the woman's part to actually see through that relationship. They just

know. Like for example, if a girl's in love with me, if I was inclined to be a piece of [ __ ] it's really easy for me to manipulate a woman. It's easier for

me, much easier for me, to manipulate a woman who's in love with me than a woman who's not. It's much easier for me to

who's not. It's much easier for me to siphon money from a woman, not that I'd ever do this, [laughter] >> unless you're on the podcast.

>> I could. So, I could definitely siphon money from a woman who was in love with me. Well, of course,

me. Well, of course, >> versus just some random woman on the street. And so with their girlfriend

street. And so with their girlfriend experience that they do on this thing, they they do lead the men down this we're building a relationship and for a guy who has very little dating

prospects, maybe the only attention they're getting from a woman, positive attention, is this Only Fans girl. It's

really easy to make that guy get really invested in the woman. Why is

your biggest issue with like how it's affecting the men and not the fact that like a bunch of girls are getting groomed before they turn 18 like the minute they turn 18 to start and only fans

>> quick easy money and >> I don't understand I don't know why you're bringing it to this underage thing although look >> uh well first off in order to be you

have to be of age now yes there are some women who like it's my 18th birthday gonna drop the only fans right on my 18th birthday That's that does happen.

But the majority of women on Only Fans, it's >> it's not always a first choice. You

know, >> the majority of women on Only Fans are not being sex traffic. They're willingly

do it. They they want to be making $100,000 a month.

>> I mean, not all of them make that much, but they they want the quick money. They

want they want it. So, this idea I mean, I don't understand your criticism here.

Um, do I of the women who are or may be being faked into Only Fans, do I object to that? Yes, absolutely. It's wrong.

to that? Yes, absolutely. It's wrong.

However, the majority of women are doing it willingly, >> right? But like response,

>> right? But like response, >> yeah, like I guess I'm just wondering why do you think like when you talk about your biggest gripe with Only Fans, you're talking about how it affects the men. Like what about how it affects the

men. Like what about how it affects the women's mental state? like they have to deal with talking to weirdos all the time or just the fact that just like these girls probably have like something else going on like you know like they don't respect themselves that's why

they're like selling this content.

>> Well look yeah I mean sure I'd be willing to grant it's not that I'd be willing to I do in fact grant that uh women who do sex work it's harmful to them too. It's harmful to them too. I

them too. It's harmful to them too. I

think a lot of women who do sex work actually end up having typically uh they typically don't while in it or after they leave it they

see a dark side of men sometimes that is not so great. So that has a negative impact on them. Uh they've traded their soul for money.