Pharrell Williams

tell me about uh how did the movie come to be my agent at the

time was just very persistent about me doing a documentary because you know somewhere between like six and 7

years ago there was like this whole Rage of like a-listers [Music] musicians specifically they were just

doing these documentaries all over the place and the do space just got like up like it just turned hot he like oh man you got to do one on your life and I was

like my life no way one why would I want to listen to myself

speak for an hour and feel that feeling of listening to the voicemail for an hour why would I do that like also like I see myself in the mirror every day and

I am not curious or enthusiastic about any of my story cuz I know it yeah I know what I did two minutes ago two hours ago not good two days ago two

weeks ago two months ago two years ago two decades ago what am I curious about yeah I wasn't and that's a huge issue for me because

anything that I do artistically I need to be curious and I need to feel enthusiastic about what the the the Journey of exploration and ex excavation

is going to be and I just did see that I didn't think it would be interesting but he kept pushing and he kept persisting and kept in assisting

and then finally I was like man you really got to stop asking me about this and he was like look you can do it any way you want and at that

point it kind of like unlocked something it unlocked a a different way or vantage point of looking at the opportunity so my brother Zay low was like actually you

know that's when you realize he just summed it up so well and I was like man what do you mean but he was like you know that's when you realize that it was an opportunity that was less about like

the reflection of the past but an opportunity to be creative yeah and that's literally what I felt and I just thought okay well if I can do it any way

I want I want to work with Morgan Neville which we had discussed you know he's a really brilliant documentarian you look at 20 ft from

Stardom you know a guy that like realizes that like one of the most most powerful entities in a performer's life you know especially Superstars or the

background singers uh and recognize that so well that really interesting Vantage Point enough to even name the film 20 Feet from Stardom I was like that guy is

genius yeah and he does it again with um Mr Rogers Mr Rogers the Fred Rogers dog yeah so I'm like oh I'd give that guy complete autonomy to my story and

autonomy to my catalog to use as he sees fit but I want to do it in Lego how did the Lego idea come I knew that it

was it never been done before and if Lego said yes it was going to be crazy all the stuff that we get to put in Lego what was your connection to

Lego as a child my earliest Fondest Memories of like um toys were Lego sets it's what my parents used to get us when we lived on

a federal subsidy you know in public housing Got Us Lego sets and I never

dreamt that it would turn into this yeah but at the time it was like I was grateful for that and this is way before there were any mini figs or anything they were just bricks and

pieces and um and then also like right when we decided we were going to do it the other thing that made it made it it you know that really made it click

for me is that like we had just had you know we have four children we have our 16-year-old rocket who he was here the last time U he's 16 now and then we have

three seveny olds who we had just had so three yeah at once yeah three at once wow and uh and

they have had Lego sets you know at different points in their lives so we always get them it's very generational and I hadn't thought about

all the implications but I just know that I just knew that my my story if it got

objectified that I might like it yeah enough to to do it what I didn't realize is that it objectified it so much that I was able

to look at it and appreciate it beyond what I would see in the mirror when you look in the mirror most of the time even when you're very grateful for your life and your existence and even in in your

physical form right CU not everybody has that not everybody is happy with what they were born with and we have to respect that too but when you

are it's a it's a thing I don't take for granted but even when you're grateful for it you know you still see your your fears you

see your flaws you see your insecurities you see see the the guilt and pressure that you feel from people guilt bullying you into

doing things you don't really want to do you know like something your boss may suggest you really don't want to do but you say yes to anyway you give into that

guilt bullying or family or uh significant other or Community or even voting party like there's always these pressures or

things that sense of obligation you know yeah obligation that you really don't want to deal with but it's on you yeah yeah and uh and the pressures that come from

that but this allowed me to see beyond all those layers of distraction

yeah and insignificance yeah to see my true Soul's purpose and that is to be liberated

discover the tools of Liberation and share them with as many spirits as I can yeah I mean when you I love that you use the word objectification because

typically we think of objectification as a negative in our society but you're describing it as a way to distance

yourself and actually see what it is yeah beautiful thank you thank you I mean that's what happens when you get legoed

you know there's an objectification to to you and also to your story and it makes it very relatable because when you see when you see Atlanta's apartments in

there like it doesn't look as heavy as it would have if it was a real uh liveaction documentary yeah that's the power of Lego yeah it allows other

people to see things that their prejudices would not allow them to really take in just because oh that's the projects it's a more poetic

interpretation 100% yeah yeah and open to you can see what you want to see in Lego yeah so did you film the scenes

liveaction and then TR then make them in Lego how did it technically how was it made well what I had said to Morgan when we first worked together when I first when I first pitched it to him to see if he would do it I was like yo I want I

want you to shoot this documentary whatever way you want cuz I love and respect what it is that you've done thus far think you're the best at this and you're the per perfect person for this but I I want you to shoot it and then I

want you to throw all the footage away but keep the a oh and then I want you to do it in I want us to do it in Lego and he goes

yeah sure and it was just that fast and then he said yes yeah then we went to Lego yeah and they said yes great and then we

went to focus and they said yes and then they went to like Donna Langley over at Universal and she said yes and so when you think about it like

this this film is like the sum of a lot of yeses yeah and when you add them up you get what impossible looks like yeah it's something no one has ever seen

before yeah especially because I'm black I come from a marginalized Community you walking in there saying you know hey we're going to show the projects and going to make it so that everyone around

the world will be able to understand it they wouldn't get it yeah but when you just say hey I just want to tell my life story through the guys of Lego because I want it to be

relatable to people then all the other details get filled in and then as you're working on it you realize all these other things that you

can like put in there later if you need to to make it even more Rich even more details about the life and even more detail about like these environments and

you know it just turned out Morgan really crushed it you know how did you guys get Carl Sean to be in it you know I don't know I mean we got

permission from the family but I I I was surprised when he ended up in it because I'm such a Carl Sean fan you know that's why he's there makes sense yeah he's

everything is there really a statue of Neptune in Virginia Beach yeah really 100% beautiful yeah and how important

was the beach growing up for you the beach for me you know even though we live like a maybe 10minute walk from the

beach black folks didn't really go to the beach and swim like that that wasn't like the thing to do it wasn't that it

was illegal allthough Virginia Beach 10 years before I was born it's not blacks were not necessarily welcomed blacks

would swim in another city in in norfol in an area called Ocean View but Virginia Beach was pretty much like whites only but when you were growing up

what was the vibe I think there was residue of that energy I see we were welcom to do it it was open for us to do it but I don't know if we

were necessarily welcomed you know even when I did my Festival down there they were like signs that said that if you cursed you could get locked up but then we know who was

getting locked up when they they were like cursing out loud down there in the ocean front you know or like you could get a a ticket or citation if the top of

your underwear or boxers were showing above your shorts or pants really yeah yeah was had a lot of that but the city wanted to do something different and so when we did our Festival I think it

changed a lot of energy down there because we couldn't do it alone and the 30,000 students that weren't necessarily as welcome before they couldn't do it

alone either it took everybody coming together and seeing the bigger picture and I think Virginia Beach has gotten a lot better still got a lot of work to

do it's the Unspeakable mystery the representation of a Soundwave from which everything Springs tetr griton is an online

collection of curated material is it a library or a gallery a museum an oracle we hope to find

out tell me about the festival well that was just it it was uh you know 30,000 students that would come there every year on week 17

to uh blow off some steam right before exams and they weren't particularly welcomed and that's when like the whole Greek Fest thing happened and the riots and

you know National Guard and it was it was a very tough time and a lot of that residual energy was still laying around and so uh they weren't

necessarily being as supportive and as welcoming as they should have been to those students so the chief of police chief chief sea at the time he asked me if I had any ideas is and we came up with something in the water and that's

that's where the festival came from and I know we digressed a little bit but that was like it's I've always just given back to Virginia Beach and given back to the state of Virginia because that's what

made me good B and different and what ways do you feel like Virginia Beach made you I believe it did yeah but describe more like what and why there wasn't a

blossoming music industry there MH you were outside of it yeah we all were myself Chad Timberland Missy

Shay it was it wasn't really anything there but when Teddy moved in town Teddy Riley moved in town a lot of that changed and that gave us opportunities and Tim and Missy went Jersey and they

were working a lot with Devonte swing like things happened then but even still it wasn't that but Virginia happened to be this really

peculiar state that was in between New York DC and Atlanta and Miami

and it was like people would just go there all the hustlers would come down they you know and if they weren't necessarily hustling in the city they

were partying in the city and North folan Virginia Beach and it was just like this different time you think the beach played a role in that it

it was just like a thing but musically because we weren't as Northern and then we weren't the most southern and we definitely weren't the Midwest or the

West Coast we listened to everything yeah and I think that shaped us as at least the group that I'm referring to now like it shaped us as musicians

and I think it really shaped the area because we loved anything that just was coming from any different area but like amazing then it got play and it got Spin and I

think that developed our like taste buds to be eclectic to like all kinds of music Virginia is a very

like it's a very it's a very interesting place that seems like it's just normalville but there's so many other like hidden talents people with great

taste it wasn't reflective in what you seen But like like for example like one of the biggest Warhol collectors ever lived in Virginia Beach people wouldn't

know we used to have this um Buckminster Fuller geodisc Dome down there that everybody performed that I didn't even

know but like some of everybody performed there and it it sadly got torn down but then we ended up acquiring that

property to build like this whole big multi-use uh venue and hotel wave Park like all this

other stuff but it's like it's always had it's always been a magnet for very interesting people the Edgar Casey and the AR Foundation is down there wow I

didn't know that oh yeah that's where he moved from Kentucky he moved there uh he moved to Virginia Beach so cool yeah no it's a lot there it's

just I don't think that we've been very good at marketing it and sell celebrating it but maybe that keeps it what it is do you know what I mean like maybe sometimes the harder it is to get

to where the the fact that it's a secret preserves it some things get watered down you're right and I I agree

with that philosophy like cap Farah cap faray or you know like a Hampton type of vibe or like you know a lot of states and

countries have like those kind of like if you know you know places but then you would need the powers that be there yeah the powers

that be who are who are there yes to know that yes to know what they're protecting yeah and a lot of times they don't understood understood I love them

yeah yeah but like but I don't I don't I don't love when they don't have the self-awareness or the wherewithal and I mean the powers that be to know how

special the place is and how we could really take it to the next level and that's why I feel like a lot of us are raising our hands and making major Investments and bringing big investors

from all over the world so that we can make it an inter international treasure and even if it's going to be an international secret yeah let's treat it that way do you think of Virginia as

your home yeah I mean I mean Miami is my home too yeah Virginia Beach Miami Paris yeah

Tokyo but when you think home which one comes up Virginia is always going to be my home okay but we live in Paris right at the moment my kids are there going to

school like but then Tokyo is my home for another reason you know yeah and in Miami it's just like that never gets

old um tell me about writing new songs for the movie I needed to see myself objectified first to write about myself I've never really written good music for myself I think I

told you this the last time like all of my best songs are songs that I wrote for somebody else and we just use the demos yeah but I need to get me out of the way

because when I see me I just it's like a mirror looking at itself like there's no image there there's nothing inspiring but when I'm channeling somebody else and it bring something out of me and

they don't use use the record yeah that's kind of like cuz I'm in service to others so my best work naturally is going to be when I am channeling someone

else and not me and seeing myself objectified allowed me to have enough separation to get inspired and so that's

where Peace by piece came from and there's another one called Lego Odyssey and in French the way you would

say the ego is Le ego l apostrophe ego and it would be pronounced Lego Wow and that was based on most of my life my first 50 years of

my life um at least the first 40 were just in egocentric and look Society sort of reads that and supports

that you know I'm the best I'm this I'm that and you're not you're actually part of an equation yeah

and what you are when you say I am you are part of the greater I am and you're lucky to be just

existing you know am is a noun and am is a verb just like God is a noun and God is

a verb and love is a noun and Love Is A Verb I wrote about the first 40 plus years of my life cuz from 40 to 5050 is

how I made it it's like a 10year transition of just this how' it happen though what triggered it I think I explained this to you the last time like you

know happy Blurred Lines get lucky three songs that I was commissioned to write and eventually got attributed to

me due to circumstances and they were also like I said they were commissions so it wasn't like you know how like you wake up one day and you're like yo I'm going to

make I don't know you woke up one day and decided you want to do 99 problems right yeah let's pretend 99 Problems was

solely your idea yep and most of the songs of your catalog are solely your idea you woke up that day and decided you wanted to do

that that would lead you to believe that you are controlling your destiny it would lead Le you to believe that you

sold that many records it would lead you to believe that like your willpower and your existence is

solely in control of everything every part of the process then one day you get three different commissions to do something so

they're not it is going to be your idea but it's because someone prompted you hey we need a the right song for this

scene hey we need a song for this artist hey we need you to write a song to be on our

record you do all of that you end up being on all the records they all end up being like number one records and with huge not

just number one records but like 22 million records sold you know what I mean like on just one song alone like you know and

Counting type [ __ ] and then you go oh I'm not in control and then it Dawns on you that you didn't sell that many

records you you you you wrote a song you produced a song and the fans decided to download share or like actually buy physical

copies and then those songs are bigger than anything you've ever done songs are like helping people get through their day it's help some songs is helping people through their chemotherapy some

people some songs is helping people through uh divorce some songs are just giving people hope like just a whole bunch of things that like

you are humbling to you but then at the core of all of it you didn't commission these songs from yourself these songs were commissions the

universe conspired to show you you all these things and it just made me

ball and so that was when I was 40 and you saw it clearly clear that's great I I noticed things did you feel

relief what was the what was the feeling when you saw it the relief that I felt was not quite how you're saying it was a different context it was more

like you didn't give up on me I point to the Sun but this sun is one of trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions of stars but existence the air between you

and I the molecules in you the molecules in me the molecules and the trees the breeze that we're filling right now any and everything that we're in this Matrix

that we are in of existence that's my God the Alpha and the Omega the all that is all that ever was and

all that ever will be existence you didn't give up on me and you gave me another shot and you really

really really demonstrated it through these three songs that I was commissioned to do and you left me in on it because I never

thought I could ever do anything so big with me being the featured artist yeah it was all of

that and I never looked at it the same and it took me from 40 to 50 to like really get to a full place of like just

humility like there's no need for me to brag there's no need for me to like and be dramatic

and for what yeah I'm so blessed to exist I exist at this

time in this space this longitude this latitude at this particular jungle juncture I

exist I'm so grateful you know tell me about uh your relationship to the church church growing up church was everything that's where we

first saw Spirit you know we saw the Spirit moving through people you know we're out here in nature right now and as the wind blows some of these trees

with the longer branches you you can tell which way the wind is blowing based on which way the leaves are turning and which way the and how

the sections of branches are blowing in the same direction and that's how the spirit is in church when the spirit is really moving around in there it's like a wave

you just see it you know how like you go to a big football stadium and you see people doing the way wave yeah I seen the spirit do

that just moving around people just throwing their hands up and screaming and shouting and I would see that at you know my uh my dad's church which was was

a Pentecostal church and then my mom's church was a Baptist church and they didn't really like shout as much in there you would hear it but it wasn't like it was in a Pentecostal church was it music in church oh yeah it was a lot

of music and it was usually it would begin with something very powerful that the pastor would say you know Elder Bishop there good he

would say something that would just connect with all of the congregation but then the organist which was most of the time was my my uncle my

uncle Ezekiel yeah he would play along as this guy's preaching but he's preaching in a

note think future with autotune yeah right yeah and as he moves future when future is rhyming he's rhyming and he's

picking a note and he's having these Pockets that correspond with whatever the chords are in the beat right yeah that's what they would do in church yeah

they would hit you know that that a flat or a sharp you know that a like they were hit that and then all of a sudden as he's preaching and saying what he's

saying he's doing it with a melody and then all of a sudden as he's making his next

point the organist would modulate up to a half step and it would be like and they would continue to do it up another step up another step and you're just

feeling this Welling feeling that's in there and man at a certain point it just would explode the pressure like a pipe it would explode and all of a sudden they do they go to a cut time

beat and then and and literally you seeing people shouting and you seeing people run up and down the aisles and you just seeing waves and waves of wafts

of the spirit just people just moving and I grew up in that wow and from the pastor and the

organist none of that was rehearsed zero that was a moment in time that where they just connected improvisation

feeling the moment period amazing period amazing and I would even I I even venture to say now that you're now that you're now that you just said what you

said I would say that was my first that was the first time I ever encountered urgency live you could literally if you could

cut the air you could cut a block of the energy out in that room and if one could consume it you don't understand the what

you would feel yeah nobody wasn't paying attention people were everybody was engaged everybody yeah you could feel it yeah that's amazing you can feel it and

but that still happens today you know my uncle's Church uh uh Faith World Ministries you know that still happens

today I mean when he preaches he he he went from being an organist and piano player which he still is to now being a pastor of his own um Ministry and

congregation and you go there you sit and you feel it's right off of aelia uh I want

to say aelia in North Virginia aelia Isa Boulevard when he speaks the word and

him and the uh the organist there the head organist there uh Larry when they man what they make the the feeling that they're able to conjure and the way that

the spirit just comes into that building it's just there something else the reason so much great music comes out of the church oh yeah the best musicians

the best singers yes and I think what conditions them is the spirit access to the spirit yeah and for me to be clear yeah when I talked about the all that is

all that is all that ever was all that ever will be you know the Alpha and the Omega you know the Matrix itself

existence to me the spirit is the energy of all that everything that exists it's the spirit it's the kinetic

side of it's all that what makes it happen what makes everything happen creation the energy yeah did you look forward to going to church during the

week no it felt like a chore sometimes cuz man you know the way that we grew up it was like Wednesday night bible study you know prayer over at the house

Thursday or Friday night you know choir rehearsal on Saturday Sunday morning Church go to the first service in the morning sometimes

go to the the second service in the evening I mean it was different it was a lot yeah and I wanted to do other things because outside of church where the secular music was was like Michael

Jackson and like you know the Jacksons and you know Stevie Wonder music and James Brown and that's a different kind of spirit that's a different side of the

spirit but I'm very grateful for my formative years that that's that helped me to see I learned what urgency and

improvisation really was through the church you talked about that that Revelation between 40 and 50 mhm did you learn anything about yourself in making

the movie I did again I saw my soul's purpose for the first time tell me about that can I face the

sun sure man the sun is like amazing right now feels so good doesn't it it does feel so good inside I never really like knew my

soul's purpose I I can see everywhere accept the future for myself I can sometimes discern it through

people what their Futures might be and for them but I can't do it for myself never been able to and it was

weird having this film as a tool a therapeutic tool by the way but a tool to help me see who I really am and what my purpose is because I've never really

gotten it I've never really seen what people see I just think I'm just lucky as hell like I don't know what y'all see but I ain't going to talk you out of it you know what I'm saying it's like I

mean are you like that or you do you get you get why you are the Rick rubben no I'm just me and just do what I like that's it simple same yeah but the fact

that you have the Fanfare and the respect that you have in the industry and just the audience that you have for anything that you do do you get it I'm

appreciative of it but that's it that's it I'm grateful thankful same but also I don't do it for that I do it for the you know the purity of the thing I want to

feel the thing and then other people like it that's the best bonus sure but we I believe we would both be doing what we're doing if nobody cared about it

either 100% And often times and often times when they don't get it we still do it yeah absolutely yeah and we still love those things as much as we love the ones that sometimes better sometimes

better those are the Fine Wines yeah yeah yeah that's that part's not in our control but when we're making it we can keep working on it till we love it

yeah I want this for everybody man yeah everyone can do it everyone can do it not everyone's going to like everything you make but you can have that

experience of making something and working on it until it's a true reflection of what you think is beautiful well we just live in a society

that pushes people and really really hammers into them that they got to go do things that make the most

money versus what they love and I think if you can find something that you love even if like if you're a football player I mean if you love football

yeah but you ain't nowhere near big enough or fast enough or whatever the requirements might might be listen to be a

therapist or um physical therapist or to be any from anything from a water boy or like to sell concessions you're gonna love your job yeah if you're around it

man that's a great life yeah and I feel like society would be so much better if we had that but that's not what they do they you know they you know your parents tell you you got to be a doctor or a

lawyer and by the way there are some great doctors and and who really wanted to be that and some great lawyers who really want to be that but what about everybody else yeah it would what would

what would America be if everybody did mostly the jobs or worked in Environ or worked in within

industries that had a subject matter that they love and were obsessed with how many billionaires and ctim

Millionaires and millionaires hate their lives it doesn't it's not about the ultimate part about it is not

it's not money yeah the means are important but the the means and the currency is important but like the idea of like money being like the end all be

all is just not true now you wouldn't be able to afford this place if it weren't for strategy and the right timing yeah and currency but it's a bonus right but

it's not the end all be all it's not the end all be all despite anything you might see it isn't at the end of the day it's

like loving what you being able to do what you love endlessly I want that for people man yeah I think

the best way to do it you lead by example you know show people that it's possible yeah cuz I love music music is the skeleton key that opened up every door for me

yeah how did you come to be a part of Louis Vuitton got a phone call

um and I was so like thrown off cuz I just never expected i' be able to do it I mean I just wasn't even it didn't even cross my mind cuz I worked with them 20

years ago Mark Jacobs uh tapped me to do some sunglasses with them myself and I brought nego along it was 20 years ago and

then then I think 19 years ago they came out they hit the market but we had start working on them 20 years ago so I thought okay I did sunglasses there I

did um we also did like uh jewelry few years later I did a campaign

with them and I thought okay my time there is good and it's up and you know I eventually went on the Monclair and I

started working with uh Chanel and I just you know thought that was it my brother Virgil

was you know he had gotten uh the appointment and I thought that's so cool cuz he was there in the very beginning when him and Kanye were there in the very beginning when we first got it in

fact there's a photo of all three of us and they're trying on the sunglasses I did back then so the idea that like him wearing them glasses existed and then he

went on to be the guy yeah that was enough for me amazing yeah that was like oh no like that's it what were your expectations

and then what were you met with when you got there I didn't have any expectations but I did go in there with a plan [Music] mhm I didn't know the way that I looked

at fashion and the way that I wanted to like build out my system and what would work for

me and they they agreed they're like okay this works very grateful that it's it's been good it's been really good we

get to tell stories and I get inspired by different parts of the world and you know it's a it's a travel brand so we tell this we constantly tell stories

about you know humans traveling and what they learn in different areas being inspired by these areas and working with local Artisans of these different places

around the world it's been it's been a real living dream I don't take any of it for granted I can't believe I'm here man last time I was sitting here talking to you I didn't

know this was all going to happen wild yeah I told you I can't see the future for myself yeah how has being a father changed your

life immensely being responsible for four new Spirits coming into this world helping

to shape their experiences in their formative years all while making sure that My Lifestyle does not corrupt their point

of view on how what the world real world really is has been one of the greatest Gifts of my life you know these are four songs that

I co-wrote with my wife whose Bridges continue to rewrite themselves as they grow old you

know during the holidays we go and we go and we feed and serve the homeless we go and you know to different

Children's Hospitals where there are a lot of kids that are challenged with like conditions that a lot of times are

uncurable or haven't been cured yet and that's because I want my children to understand having to have real coping

skills and to see what real courage looks like a child that wakes up and gets bad news that day and realizes that it's

going to be a tough ride and where they wake up every day and they face that day for what it is I wanted my kids to have that and so

I'm on it I don't I'm strict about it I don't play I'm a strict dad but but because the world is Harsh yeah you know I think when parents say things like oh I never want my kids to

struggle the way that I did well you have to understand the way your struggle produced you being a

hardworking critical thinking individual and when you don't allow your kids to have guided struggle they don't develop the coping

skills they don't have the courage they don't can't deal with challenges and um

um it often times doesn't end so well tell me about uh things going to be all right the Kendrick's Tong

yeah that was a record that like did you write that hook yeah I had no idea that you wrote The Hook yeah what that's me

on the hook I had no idea yeah and then my buddy KP who was a anr he was like cuz I was like we gonna be all

right and the way I was saying it I was saying it on some Virginia [ __ ] and yeah that's what makes it well well he corrected me to say all right to put the

r in there and so I ended up doing it but you but it still sound like I'm saying all right all right yeah but uh maybe you put out the street version the

remix with the proper all right yeah at some point but yeah like that was that was like it was just a feeling in the

song and you know Kendrick really got it he really understood it who knew that it was going

to go on and represent the feeling and thought of the culture in the air that time yeah the timing was unbelievable whoa would you

say you live more in your head or your body you know most of my life I lived in my head I think I'm now just starting to

explore the energy Departments of my body I was also less concerned with like my

chakras and now like I think about those yeah as I think about my organs and I think about like having

everything work in harmony the things the esoteric readings that you know the egri casy esoteric readings that I would like into you

know in my late 20s are now like M like I'm not just curious about it I'm I actually live it yeah I want my organs

to be in line so that I can vibrate harmoniously and be yeah human being yeah and be yeah that that's also a verb and a

noun being and I also want to like Le by example you know tell me about your relationship to Rhythm um I've always had a relationship

to Rhythm I think I got like add just never was diagnosed and so I was always like and a little bit of

ADHD when what you get distracted by is music then you you you ask yourself okay is it ADHD or is it inspiration

you know inspiration and drive I was always hearing like drum patterns but if you think about it I mean you say drums your primary

instrument yeah if you think about it you know the universe is ruled by Rhythm the solar system is what it is the planets stay in the pattern that

they're in even the Sun the planets around it like it can all be measured to a beat there are stages which is what a

technically a beat would be um but we have a pulse we have a heartbeat and we're born with the

Rhythm I mean the beginning of the universe is described as a sound the big bang that would mean

that's the start of the beat of all the of everything that exists the universe thought it would a beat yeah and then the beat dropped is what

the Bible says yeah yeah how is um programmed music different than human played music two

different things one I mean programed music is amazing but man when human beings lock in is a feeling that you get from it no machines can make what you

described in the church Church what'll be scary is when AI gets to that place can it yeah anything that is

conceivable can happen tell me about the tall hats that was a Vivian Westwood hat I was inspired by Malcolm

McLaren um his Buffalo hat and um it's such a cool hat yeah that was like 10 years ago gamechanging hat though I never saw how like that

before yeah I was crazy I go through my phases of like moments where you can't tell me nothing I'm going to wear it regardless of the WEA I don't care what you think I wish

you out again and then when but then when I'm off it I'm off it yeah yeah and I'm off it tell me about um fashion in

Hip-Hop Hip-Hop has been like one of the greatest fashion shows and displays my friend Eric Paul

when he was young uh he and I used to listen to the Beasty Boys License to Ill record back

in Salem Village um on repeat why we just skated all day every day and this is like you

know hooy Power perela Times Rob rasop like Tony Hawk decks and independent trucks and back then it was like if you

skated Street you skated on 85s if you skated on the ramp you skated 92s which was in between but then there was also 97s and 99s which was super hard like

that was my life yeah and listening to the Beasty Boys and reading the Rick rubben name I can't believe I'm sitting here right

now like the Run DMC music and then when you so you think about all the clothes like I wanted a jean jacket because Mike D wore a jean jacket

you know back when he had like the uh the Volkswagen the Volkswagen like charm on his you know that was everything man you know or the idea that I'm with

Adidas now and that record my Adidas was everything and we wanted it that my Adidas record

changed the conversation from from Puma back then I mean you know love and respect to Puma but like that changed the conversation and they actually that

record saved the Adidas business wow so yeah Hip Hop was like the stage for like fashion what do you think the biggest

misconception about you is that I'm a tech and I'm so not I'm the

worst I use technology as much as I need to what's your favorite place on the planet Tokyo really yeah

why the humility is so thick there so it's the people the humility is as thick as the humidity is what do you do outside of your creative life that has

the most impact on your creative life pray beautiful what do you what's the Rhythm God is the greatest for

me I have these very long prayers that I pray in the morning they're very very very long there's two different ones and I do them

both every morning when did you start doing them I think they just developed over the last 20 some years I pray for people that I don't even talk to anymore just lost contact whatever whatever but

they just remain in my prayers the prayers are just very cemented in my mind God is the greatest and I am grateful yeah

blessings big bro love you sir yes sir man you too thank you so much pleasure