Progressive Student Tries to Blame America for Everything… Charlie Kirk Isn’t Having It 👀

If we look at the immigration policies in the US, even though Chinese immigrants built the entire Western Railroad, there was still the Chinese Exclusion Act because they were

providing insane value to the United States, but we still had these exclusion acts because of xenophobic attitudes.

And so this is not a this is not a novel idea that, you know, immigrants are bad for the country. So I'm I'm interested in why you think that all of a sudden we need to change the way the United States

works.

Well, first of all, immigration has gone in great influxes. We basically turned off all immigration in the 1940s and 50s. We had like net zero immigration

50s. We had like net zero immigration for almost 15 years. Most people don't even know that. So, we had Ellis Island in the early 1900s and then we turned on the guzzle of immigration. But let's be

honest, for 40 years, we have tried this mass immigration project for the last 40 years. Has it worked? Are we are we a

years. Has it worked? Are we are we a more connected country? Have middle

class wages kept up? are look look at the material data. Has immigration

enriched the well-being of the United States of America, especially the last five or six years. I would say of course not actually we're more divided. We're

more fascious. And we see this in almost every European country as well. When you

import a bunch of people that don't speak your language that are from the third world, all of a sudden you have mass destabilization happening in your country. It's not a matter of being

country. It's not a matter of being xenophobic. Instead, it's a matter of

xenophobic. Instead, it's a matter of being patriotic to your own country and your own citizens. It's not about hating the foreigner. It's about loving the

the foreigner. It's about loving the citizen and your obligation is always to citizens first, not foreigners.

>> Okay.

So, you don't think that the MAGA movement has led to xenophobic attitudes at all?

>> I don't even know how to answer that. I

mean like >> why not?

>> Well, because you have to first define what you mean by xenophobic attitudes.

>> Uh, I mean, just like you said, you you said I mean, we're living in a a divided world. You don't think that comes from

world. You don't think that comes from people being anti-immigration? Not

>> No, I think it's the opposite. I think

when you allow a bunch of people that aren't nativeorn Americans too quickly with no checks, no background, no idea who they are and flood them into your towns. Definitionally, diversity is not

towns. Definitionally, diversity is not a strength when it comes to local community ties.

>> If you don't use it, if you don't use it, I don't know that you're committed to finding its strength.

>> Hold on. No, explain this to me. This is

a good question.

>> Yeah.

>> What country has ever grown stronger the more divided it's been?

>> None. But I'm not saying that you have to get more divided.

>> No, no, no. But but diversity definitionally will divide you. Unity

uni unifies you. You notice they never say unity is our strength. They say

diversity is our strength. In fact, just so we are clear, there is nothing racist or xenophobic to say that you want your kids to be around people that speak English. There's nothing racist to say

English. There's nothing racist to say that. It actually means that you want to

that. It actually means that you want to be able to communicate with your neighbor. There's nothing racist and

neighbor. There's nothing racist and xenophobic to say, for example, we don't want to import people from a far-off distant land that don't share Western values, that don't treat women the same,

that don't have the same respect for freedom of speech. So, what we see is the unraveling of the United States of America because a country is is is again just like undoubtedly

a it is the people that inhabit it. So,

you have to be very careful what people you allow into your country.

>> Sure. And I but I think that what you're talking about this like mass shift in American culture is like not happening.

I think you're fear-mongering. And also

I I think that the United States forever has been a mix of culture. I don't

really know like where you can point to a time in the US history that hasn't included immigrants in its culture.

>> Again, from the 20s to the 1920s and 1960s, we had very little immigration in this country. Nearly 40 years. In fact,

this country. Nearly 40 years. In fact,

that is what largely led to us becoming a world superpower in the 1950s is we felt >> we had the we had the brasero program back then where we brought in tons of laborers from the United from Mexico to

the United States to work in agricultural and that's how we fed the United States. So I was such it was very

United States. So I was such it was very limited in scope versus what we see today. But again I will ask a more moral

today. But again I will ask a more moral question. Does a politician have first

question. Does a politician have first loyalty to its own citizens or to another country's citizens?

>> So, let's say I'm the prime minister for a country. I do agree with you that my

a country. I do agree with you that my first job is that country for sure.

That's who I'm leading. But considering

the United States has created mass violence, instability, and poverty around the world, you don't think that we have some sort of obligation to the people who then have to flee from that?

>> No.

>> Why not?

>> Wait, hold on. I Well, why not? Define

your terms. Where where where where have we created mass stability? I I'll grant you Iraq. That was a disaster. Where

you Iraq. That was a disaster. Where

else?

>> In all of Latin America, in different countries in in Africa, places that like the Philippines that we colonized, Puerto Rico.

>> Yeah. I mean, of course, I I'm always so interested in this as if it's like you can never blame those countries for not having their act together. It's somehow

America's fault. Like, oh, it's America's fault that Nicaragua can't get its act together. It's America's fault.

Even though we welcome Puerto Rico to become US citizens, like we've colonized them. So here's the paradox.

them. So here's the paradox.

>> You don't think that Puerto Rico is colonized?

>> No, no, no, no. I'm saying though, so if we don't help Puerto Rico were evil, when they become a territory, we colonize them and we haven't done enough. It's like which one is it

enough. It's like which one is it exactly?

>> So the Puerto Rico was taken from the Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar farm for years where the workers were paid less than a dollar per day to create sugar for the United States. And

it's not really statehood or independence. It's about letting Puerto

independence. It's about letting Puerto Rico decide that for themselves. And

anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico.

>> No, it's fine. But as and more broadly, and I'll get to the final qu couple final questions here. I can sense that your problem is that like America's super successful and these other countries aren't. And foundationally,

countries aren't. And foundationally, it's rooted in envy, bitterness, and resentment because we are the world's superpower. It's not because we've held

superpower. It's not because we've held anybody back. It's because we've had

anybody back. It's because we've had incredible people, really good ideas.

You think the US has intervened in a negative way in other countries?

>> At times, yes, at times we've intervened very favorably.

>> We've Can you at least acknowledge at times that >> Sure. There has been aid, but there's

>> Sure. There has been aid, but there's also been terror.

>> No, no, not just aid. South Korea exists because of American involvement. Kuwait

exists because of American involvement.

>> But it's not it's not >> so but but but to to to look at American accountability, you have to look at the whole of that accountability. and and to say that certain countries are less

developed purely on their own fault is to ignore history.

>> I so that that's where we disagree.

>> Countries have to take responsibility for their own future which again this is one of the reasons why so many people hate Israel. Every other country around

hate Israel. Every other country around there is like a third world country and Israel is super successful and super aenic and they're able to be like one of the wealthiest countries on the planet.

You got to wonder what is it that they're doing? Oh, it's the Jews because

they're doing? Oh, it's the Jews because they're stealing all this money.

actually they like work super hard and they don't believe in Islam and they >> and like wow and the one place that >> have you ever been to those countries?

>> Yeah, actually I have been to Israel and I've been to the Palestinian Authority.

I've been to that. I've been to the West Bank. I've actually visited it. Even if

Bank. I've actually visited it. Even if

I hadn't, that doesn't mean what I'm saying is wrong. Just for the record, by the way, I encourage you to try to go to Lebanon or Syria. Not exactly the Four Seasons, right? So,

Seasons, right? So, >> and you don't think that US intervention has anything to do with that? partially,

but again to blame the evil US intervention uh for every single problem is at its core intellectually sloppy.

>> I don't think so because the United States has two times the military of the rest of the world. It has been in our DNA to intervene in a military way in other countries. So to say I mean you I

other countries. So to say I mean you I know you believe in >> So I I want to try to square this all together. I got to get another question

together. I got to get another question just to make sure I'm clear. So you're

mad at America for getting involved in other people's countries, right? So

America's bad for that. But then you want everyone to come to America. I

thought America's bad.

>> I'm saying that the United States needs to be held accountable. You can't meddle in.

>> So we're held accountable by inviting the entire world here.

>> If if you are going to mess up that country, you have to do something about it.

>> Oh, do something. Invite them here.

>> Maybe if you're the reason that they have to leave. No. All right. Then that

that that at its core, I'm glad you articulated it, is neoconservatism, which is invade the world, invite the world, which is that you don't support the invasion part of it, but somehow we have to invite the world as some sort of

like mass penance.

>> So, but that's like you invade and then say "Oh >> no. I don't I don't support the

>> no. I don't I don't support the invasions. I'm just I think you are

invasions. I'm just I think you are overly ascribing fault to the United States of America when in reality it's it's these own broken countries that cannot get their own act together." A

great example is this, and I'll close with this. El Salvador is become is

with this. El Salvador is become is actually safer than America. It has

billions of dollars flowing into El Salvador. Why? Because they elected

Salvador. Why? Because they elected Boullle who decided to go after MS-13 and clean up the streets of El Salvador.

Which again, it wasn't it was because they decided to do good things with massive action. Countries can be

massive action. Countries can be wealthy. Singapore is wealthy. You could

wealthy. Singapore is wealthy. You could

be a very wealthy country if you embrace western market ideas, private property with low crime. And it's not always >> I mean in the case of El Salvador, the United States was the reason that the country broke down into gang warfare.

And now if you look at the way they were able to turn around, they had to declare a state of emergency just to be able to turn things around.

>> It's just like this is where we're different. And then I'll close next.

different. And then I'll close next.

Then we have to get get going.

>> I look at America as a force for good.

You look at everything wrong and you say it must be America.

>> No sir. I'm I'm looking at bad things that they have done and calling for accountability.

>> Okay. Like I I again I >> I mean maybe we disagree. I don't know.

>> I I guess I think we're a wonderful country and I think if a country is poor, they're poor by choice and they have to be able to get their act together, make better decisions, and stop acting like victims all the time.

Thank you very much.