ROSÉ: “APT.", One Year of rosie & BLACKPINK Tour | Zane Lowe Interview

How's your spirit? Are you feeling good?

>> Um, I feel much better lately. I was

like kind of at a rough place um here and there throughout the year, but I think right now I'm just Yeah, I'm coming to like a bit more of a peaceful

place. I should by now, [laughter]

place. I should by now, [laughter] >> you know, it was almost a I mean, I'm going to say it was a year to the day >> Yeah.

>> that we spoke about Rosie.

>> Yeah. It's been exactly a year.

>> Exactly a year.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> I know. And I wondered how that make you feel because I know it >> that's probably the closest thing to numerology you've been dealing with this year because it's just left, right, front, back. Where am I going? What's

front, back. Where am I going? What's

happening? Everything's going on. So I

don't know if that feels like it puts a cap on something for you. But

>> I think it does. I feel like so much has happened that my brain is just going through 100 different things and it's feels like it's happening to me. But

then if we say that's that was a year of things and you're like, "Oh, okay."

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. a year of it. Like we can kind of I can I can digest that. [laughter]

>> Can we can we spend a little bit of time digesting what the last 12 months has been cuz it's been life-changing for you, >> for you?

>> Yes, it has.

>> You know, and and I and I really I created a distinction there because >> you and and your friends in Blackpink all decided to do your own thing and did it very successfully and very

individually. And I felt like each of

individually. And I felt like each of you were able to really exercise your personal life, your passions, your tastes in your own unique way.

>> And so having you in front of me today and getting to talk about that 12 months of of establishing you yourself even further >> must have been really rewarding for you and for you all.

>> There's like so much to like kind of digest and talk talk about. Um

uh first of all lately um is I get to do these like really fun things that I've really haven't done before experienced before. The other day I got to um

before. The other day I got to um perform at like the Grammy Museum and um and even like being able to perform like

my songs like on like a radio um and preparing for all of that. Um, I think it's those moments in between, like those musical moments that we get in

between that make me realize how grateful I am to have my job amongst all the crazy things that kind of happened.

Like a lot of that is just like mindblowing and you don't know how to to digest so much of that. But think but I think in in the middle of all that like being like when you realize like when

I'm like rehearsing with my band to play the songs that were on my album that we released a year ago Um, and just like realizing that like this is my job. Like

I like pinching myself.

>> It's almost the simple things, right, that you need to be reminded of, which is like >> coming back to the music.

>> Yeah. And me and my friends getting to just kind of figure out how we want to arrange this.

>> And also, it's really interesting because you released Apet, it went ballistic, went crazy.

The album came out, everyone loved it, but you didn't really get much of a much time, I would say, and you tell me whether it was time or or space to be able to do what most artists do, which is then spend a year or two kind of

honoring that that record. You sort of had you moved in different directions.

>> Oh, like right after >> Yeah. Right after Black Pink stuff

>> Yeah. Right after Black Pink stuff >> kind of. Yeah. For a few after a few months. And so you had Appetite was kind

months. And so you had Appetite was kind of doing the job and it went brilliantly.

>> Grew its own arms and legs and just started walking around [laughter] the world.

>> Totally. cuz it's

>> totally which was beautiful cuz you know it's like okay but it's almost felt like it must have felt like you were sort of vicariously experiencing success in a strange way.

>> Yeah. [laughter] Know I mean it's kind of like um what it felt like was like um I describe it kind of I describe all of my songs in my album as like if I had

how many songs it was 12 songs. If I had 12 kids they [laughter] all have like different >> Yeah.

>> different personalities.

>> There's some sad kids. Some sad

children. Some very

>> very sad children. Couple of

[clears throat] couple of pretty grumpy angry children. [laughter]

angry children. [laughter] >> True.

>> Couple of drunk children, but the rest of them are fine.

>> True. Yes. But we love them all and we embrace them all. [laughter]

>> Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like A was one of like the kids that kids let's call [laughter] >> that that I had like >> it was like very random and happened on

a fun like fun moment in my life and then um >> just suddenly just grew its own like arms and legs and then just like went to Harvard and law and like [laughter] became like

>> I don't know like became the president or something like that and just did it and and I'm like wow >> appetite are overachiever got mad That ambition.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it feels like. And so it's like I feel like the

like. And so it's like I feel like the parent at home >> who's like on social media with my glasses [laughter] on.

>> Yeah. I'm so proud.

>> Oh my god. This one did >> my fourth child. What's happening?

>> It's number one in 55 countries. That's

what happened. I mean it's it's Apple Music's most streamed song of the year.

It's I mean odds on favorite. And I'm

not trying to jinx you and you don't have to respond, but I'm just going to be a fan and say it's always on your favorite to win, you know, song or record of the year or both. But you had it for a while. I think you started recording it at the end of 2023, October, November time. Did it feel like

it it was going to connect?

>> I had this like uh weird experience with that. Um when it when we first wrote it,

that. Um when it when we first wrote it, um we talked about it with Circuit the other day as well. Um the day after the day we wrote it, Circuit is crazy with

bounces. He will send you an amazing

bounces. He will send you an amazing like fully polished bounce by the end of the day.

>> Okay, so check this out. If you're

listening and watching this, right, that is the artist's dream cuz what happens?

You get in the room, you you you create something beautiful, you fall in love with it immediately and you want to leave with it and you want to leave with it. So you put it in your car and it

it. So you put it in your car and it sounds good.

>> I totally agree.

>> Good. So he knows what he's doing.

>> Yes. So he sent it to me and then um but then something about like it was like I don't know. I just want to I was a bit scared of it so I didn't play it.

>> Yeah. I've heard this before. What were

you scared about? Do you know?

>> I don't know. That's why I keep talking about it cuz I'm still trying to kind of pick my brain on that.

>> Do you think your subconscious was telling you this was going to be a life-changing song?

>> I think my subconscious was telling me it could be a life-changing song.

It it felt like 5050.

like because it's obviously it's a bit of it's different >> and I think that's why people are drawn to it so much because the first thing

you think is what does apata mean right and and I understood that because I know what it means and I know what it is but before we start going around being like this is a drinking game and having

people like really vibe to it it's it's a bit you know you there's a learning curve for it and So, um I was just like I don't know. And then I kept it. I

remember just I like washed up and I go in my bed and then I turn my phone on and I remember kind of went play [laughter] >> and then let's see what happens be

>> and then um it started playing and and then I had it on repeat till I fell asleep to it to a like to this crazy like >> upbeat song. That's how you know. I fell

asleep, woke up, and I was waiting to see when I would get sick of it, and I just had it on repeat all night. But as

much as I obviously was enjoying it and kind of was addicted to it instantly, something in me was like, I have to tell my producers and songwriters to just kind of delete it off their phones. Of

course, I didn't want circuit to delete it off his computer, but um >> I don't know. I just

>> Wow. I just needed this to be like in my hands until I fully like like digest it and it took me [clears throat] months.

>> I kept it in my phone and I asked you know kindly if everybody could delete it off their phones and I had it just with me and I played it occasionally to

people and as I saw like my friends parents like people's reactions that's when I was like this song is doing things to people. they were like

reacting and so until I naturally got that um so I wouldn't even hype up the song before I played it to anyone and just be like I just this was for fun and I play it and I would see their

reactions and it was exactly the same reactions that I got from when I first introduced the drinking game to the producers in the room >> the fact the way they were like like ah birds like what is that

>> enormous curiosity value enormous curiosity >> yes and so once I started to pick that up one by one and it added up and it felt like the majority of people if not every single person that I had played it

to >> kind of kept coming back and they text me back be like, "Oh my god, I have that song stuck in my head. You only played it once." I'm like, "Okay, but you could

it once." I'm like, "Okay, but you could just be being nice." So that that added up and then it convinced me fully. Then

that's when I like accepted it as, you know, I think this could be my single. There's so much in that that I

single. There's so much in that that I think is >> really interesting. And I the idea that you wanted to protect the experience for you >> so you could honor what your instinct

told you and not be swayed by other opinions so it could be pure.

>> The decision was pure. I haven't heard it put that way before. I've never heard of an artist after the fact saying, "Right, I just want to own this myself.

You have to actually not listen to it or work on it from now on."

>> Yeah.

>> It's kind of like really I think it's really cool. It shows like a lot of um

really cool. It shows like a lot of um that you knew you had something >> maybe. I don't I don't know or if I

>> maybe. I don't I don't know or if I can't still tell if it's like if it's that or I was Why was I scared of it?

Did I not like it? Did I like it? What

was the emotion?

>> It's a it's a brilliantly weird song. I

think about some of like in the 80s everyone was kind of making it up cuz technology was showing up for the first time. So it's like oh what happens with

time. So it's like oh what happens with this drum machine and this synth and how do these things even work? So we got all these weird pop songs and you know Aperta kind of does have that same feeling of like

>> I'm I know I I love it immediately but it's not in step with what else you're hearing on the radio around the world I think at the moment. Yeah, definitely.

Definitely.

>> Yeah. So maybe that was the emotion. I

feel like today is a day where you're you know teaching me about my emotions about my about months and years how much time has passed.

>> [laughter] >> I'm just like I'm just grateful you're here >> the therapy session too. I'm like yes I think you might be right.

>> Well like I said I mean a year on it feels special. I mean it's it's often we

feels special. I mean it's it's often we have conversations with artists at the beginning of a new journey and then we catch up at the beginning of the next journey. It's nice to be able to talk to

journey. It's nice to be able to talk to you um at a point where you know you finish a year and just sort of picking up these children again and getting to

play these songs and honor them again in front of fans. How was that playing it the other night at the Grammy? at the

Grammy Museum.

>> It was really rewarding. I remember

after the show like I was just talking to the band and I told them that like um life can get really chaotic and there's just like so much happening and so

grateful for it and it's very like overwhelming and just like fun, exciting, all these emotions. But I was telling that them that like it's moments

like this that make me really appreciate my job. And it was a day where I walked

my job. And it was a day where I walked home saying, "God, I love my job." Um,

because I get to I I've fallen in love with music from the beginning and then as we were writing our our songs and creating it with um amazingly talented people, we

fall in love with, you know, the project that we're working on. Then we give it out and we in hopes that people would love it, too. And then it does its own thing. And then you have to kind of

thing. And then you have to kind of recreate that relationship with the love of your life that you've just created. I

feel like and there was like a part like once it's out you have go through different phases of like was that good and people are saying they love it. I'm like you know I'm trying to

love it. I'm like you know I'm trying to like figure out how I feel about everything. But then to come back with

everything. But then to come back with it after it's done its job with, you know, the fans to bring it back to me and and ask myself, what does this music do to me today? I'm so glad you brought

that up because I was listening to the album again on the way in to speak with you and I I think it was around not the same which I think is a great song. The

idea of putting that accountability back on somebody and it's like there's the real real you was in there but you've changed >> and and um I wondered because so many of

these songs are so honest. It really is like a mirror held up to you and your life for a time period that you've obviously long since left behind. how

you feel about this album now that you're a different person but these songs remain.

>> Yeah. I always thought like if you because this is also my first experience by the way but of like you know working on an album and you know songwriting and and this whole process of putting it out

and this is all like first for [laughter] me. Um, I was really shocked

[laughter] me. Um, I was really shocked because I always thought like if you write a song that it was written about something and it's about this, it's

about a specific situation or emotion.

But um, like a year from its release and maybe a year and a half since I wrote it or almost two years since I wrote it, like it speaks to me differently. It's

almost like I'm just equally as a a listener as everyone else. Um if uh if somebody releases music where I'm like,

"Oh my god, that song relates to my life like so much." Um it's kind of like that as I'm performing it, it's relating to my life currently in such different

stories and different forms and it and it's healing me in different ways. Um if

I wrote it because of this, then I'm being healed by it in a totally different way today.

>> It changes shape for you as your life moves.

>> Yeah. And I'm really excited to experience my own songs in the next I don't know 10 years to see what that will mean to me. And it's so funny because I was also listening to um some

songs that I haven't released that I wrote after the album and it was very close to so it's like a year ago I wrote a song >> that's not out yet. Um and I was getting

ready. Um and I was like just out of

ready. Um and I was like just out of nowhere I forgot that song even existed and I was like let me look for it. And I

found it.

I played it and it brought back so many memories and emotions that I'd forgotten I even had >> and it's just like I wrote it and I loved it and then I kind of detached

from it for a bit. I was like no I don't relate to it anymore. I don't

>> and then I played it again and it was just like it relived this whole new experience and I fell in love with it again and I think it's the same experience with after releasing a song as well.

>> Yeah. and performing it, doing new renditions of it, um was also fun to kind of do it with a band >> and kind of tell them how I relate to the song today and how I need it to

sound today.

>> Um and it's just it's an ongoing creative work. Even if the song is

creative work. Even if the song is already out, it changes within me as I perform it, >> as [snorts] it lives on. It just keeps growing. And I always thought if it's

growing. And I always thought if it's like once it's out, it's done. Like,

>> yeah, on to the next.

>> That's what I thought. But no, it's still ever evolving and I'm really enjoying that right now, [snorts] >> you know. Um, getting back to to Aperta and you've had a chance to perform that with some great people who've wanted to

collaborate with you. I mean, in South Korea with Chris must have been >> Oh, yeah.

>> Great experience, isn't he? He's such a gent, you know, such an amazing performer and artist.

>> Yeah. I mean, that was crazy. I mean,

[laughter] >> when do you have like in your life like coplay ask you [laughter] to come on stage with? What are you thinking when

stage with? What are you thinking when you're looking at him and he's kind of >> he's kind of throwing these words that you wrote back at you, but he's doing it, but he's doing it the Chris Martin way, which is doing that dance that he does where he does that thing.

[laughter] He does that thing.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But he was like he kind of gave me the like he was like, "Rosie, do your thing. I'm just here to um

your thing. I'm just here to um celebrate >> this for you." And it was really sweet and it was just like it was very fun to watch him try speak

Korean because there's Korean and >> Bruno goes com like it's just funny to see >> somebody that you don't imagine.

>> Did he did he come prepared or did you have to help him out before?

>> No, I think he came prepared.

>> He came prepared.

>> I I So Bruno has this version where it goes like drink Rosie dance Rosie and then he's like Rosie I already practiced the other version. [laughter]

>> He's such an overachiever. He can't help himself. Even when he's got a window to

himself. Even when he's got a window to take the easy out, Bruno gave him the easy out. He's like, "No, no, I spent

easy out. He's like, "No, no, I spent six months practicing."

>> Six months. Yeah. [laughter]

>> Yeah. So, he was like, "Rosie, I'm sorry. It's going to confuse me. I've

sorry. It's going to confuse me. I've

already practiced the other one." So, he did that and it was just Oh. And then

like he um >> I've never done that before and I didn't even know that was possible. And he was like, "Again, again, again." And so we did it for like two nights and

>> we like he allowed um us to do it like twice in a row. We did agent twice.

>> You did a rewind.

>> Yeah. And I was like, "Oh my god."

>> The first time you performed in front of that many people at home when you did it with him, >> I think it was.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It was

>> Wow.

>> First time in in front of a really big Actually, right? Wait, was it right

Actually, right? Wait, was it right before Sai >> um asked me? He he does like a really big crazy show in Korea like >> it's huge. It's an annual thing and he

asked me to do it. I think it was before that.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And so that was my first time performing it in Korea and then that was the first time performing it at like a stadium like that.

>> And also getting to perform that song which is so um inspired by something that comes from home. And again there's the curiosity for the rest of the world is what Apata is and and it's just like so catchy and so sticky. But to go home

and perform it for the first time in front of people that that may know what that game is and and bring it home. What

was that like?

>> Oh my god. Oh wait. Yeah. cuz my family and friends were in the crowd when we were performing at Coldplay.

>> Um >> they they were they all came to me.

They're like, "I have never seen the crowd go that crazy." I like it felt like the World Cup.

>> You know, you and your friends in Blackping really honored your you know your journey and your relationship and the fans >> and you toured really hard like you took

it around the world and and you gave everyone a chance to see you in 2025. M

>> um how let's just go back to the beginning and the beginning of that tour and how it felt coming back together >> having all gone off to pursue your own personal interests and creative desires

>> to come back together as a group but also having learned so much about yourselves individually. Cuz I think

yourselves individually. Cuz I think creative work is all about being inspired >> and you have to have enough creative freedom to be, you know, inspired to

like to to make music and make art.

>> Yeah. Space.

>> Yes. And so we kind of all got that and um bringing that back together um as Blackpink. Um, I was just really really

Blackpink. Um, I was just really really excited to see what was going to happen and >> how we would have evolved and and like

like so I mean I feel like Jump I I think is just so fresh and like I I'm obsessed with Jump. I feel like I love this era of Blackpink.

>> Um, and I think it has a lot to do with, you know, how we kind of went out and got inspired and came back together and it's just like a whole new funky new little thing and I love it. I'm obsessed

with it. Um, and then kind of going back on like the touring aspect and like um, [snorts] adjusting back into, you know, how we function as a group. It was like I think um, mentally just challenging

because I think I had that one year to like crunch in like independence. Like I

had to like learn quickly how to adapt to this life.

>> Um, where I I'm only I don't have three other members.

>> Um, >> or a machine as well. And I mean that with the greatest of respect. I mean,

for Blackpink to function, it requires so many people doing great jobs simultaneously in symbiosis.

>> Very specific detail, >> not like you just get to show up 10 minutes late for a session with Circuit and Amy, you know, in your sweatpants [laughter] and just be like, [gasps] we're writing today. It's very

different.

>> It's very different. And so kind of adapting to that life, uh, but then to take those elements and then adapt back into and bring it back and just it's

like a lot of brain work. Yeah,

>> it had already been a lot of brain work doing it for myself for a bit and so it was like just that back to back to then just like quickly adjusting again. So

just a lot of brain work all year and I feel like I'm just kind of getting the hang of it and then it's like the tour is coming to [laughter] like wait I was just getting the hang of it.

>> I feel like that's what life is about.

>> Yeah. Most of the time you're like, I was just getting um the hang of it and then it's just like >> it throws it open. It throws it open.

You're right. That's where the challenge is. You know, Jenny, the

is. You know, Jenny, the >> whole journey.

>> When I spoke to Jenny briefly, well, not briefly, we had a great conversation, but she was saying in advance of the Black Pink tour that she she understood the level of commitment required, certainly as you start to mature in your

life and you start to take a look around. You're not like kids anymore,

around. You're not like kids anymore, you know, you're starting to sort of mature as as artists and as people. that

it does require a commitment that everyone has to be really committed and honor that together and and you know is that something that you sort of that you before you even agree to go back on the road the four of you have to sit there and sort of go look you know we know

what this is going to take >> we're not in the you know just the treadmill of this >> it's going to take a year we have to commit >> Mhm. I think like making decisions. I

>> Mhm. I think like making decisions. I

think earlier on in our career, we don't know what decisions we're making really.

Like they throw things at us and we're like, "Okay, it looks great." Until you go through everything and you learn the responsibilities and >> and what it means.

>> Um you can't just take a job and say you'll do it and not understand anymore once you've done it a few times. And and

so yes, we had every decision that we made um we made very carefully. We

discussed it a lot and >> you know a lot of like remember when we decided to do this >> so we got to think that you guys do we all agree we can do this and once we were like all on the same page we'd

proceed.

>> Um so it's much healthier now.

>> Yeah that sounds really healthy. It

sounds like a proper group mentality, like a like the right mindset for all of you to be able to >> to understand that we are like four individuals who have four different

personalities, but all together the things we can, you know, we can do and what we can't do just to learn that >> over the course of what's been like 9

10ish almost 10 years.

>> Yeah. Coming up to a decade. So it's

like, yeah, it's about time we we we understand how this works and [laughter] how our bodies and brains work. And so

yeah, it was everything is now it's fun to kind of know our ourselves now. In

the past, I think it was all scary.

>> It was really fun at first cuz we didn't know anything and then it got really scary. You're like, this is a lot.

scary. You're like, this is a lot.

>> Yeah. Fast.

>> So now being like >> we understand um we've had enough experiences to to learn about ourselves.

One of the coolest things about seeing, you know, the way people are responding to the show, watching the footage of the show is just how much fun you're all having, >> you know, and and you know, there's still this highlevel performance when

you come together. It's like this is a show and we know exactly how to do a great show, >> but there's moments when you seem to be able to be comfortable now as as four friends to be able to laugh at each other.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, to be able to enjoy the experience. And I think we're all really

experience. And I think we're all really enjoying that too because it takes the pressure off of us as fans like [gasps] like what if someone misses a step or what if this goes wrong? It's like don't worry about it. Like

>> has that felt like a conscious change for you on this tour that you you all seem to be just really enjoying yourselves up there?

>> Yeah, for sure. Um definitely. I feel

like this tour kind of has like a new layer of it's like a new layer of meaning. And for me, I can't speak for

meaning. And for me, I can't speak for the other girls, but it felt like a bit of a celebration.

>> Yeah.

>> To the amazing, you know, the memories we've created um as Blackpink with our fans growing up together.

>> Yeah.

>> Like everything we've been through. Like

there's just like unbelievable things we've done that we really didn't imagine we could do when we were like 16. And

there was like this new layer of just this is also a celebration >> to our like 20ies >> of all the amazing success Blackpink is

you know achieved all the hard work we've put in and so yeah exactly like you said um in the past if it was more like we're going to prove to people you

know all that hard work we have this new layer of understanding that this is also another day in our lives that we must remember and really embrace.

>> Oh, that's amazing you said that. My

gosh, that's I love that the observation because so much of the idea of the performance and the fan feels like an unspoken trade that that you will remember this forever, but I I may just be so in the moment of trying to deliver

this for you.

>> Yeah.

>> That I've got and prepare for the next one that I may not remember this the way I want to remember it.

>> And the way that you seem to be describing it is like, no, we want to capture this too, just like you.

>> Yeah. I feel like it's like a giving and taking of energy. In the past, if it was more giving or Yes.

>> whatever way it could be. I think it's always the best when it's a giving and taking situation because that's what music's supposed to be about. It's about

connection.

>> It's about connecting with the people.

Every crowd is also different. Some

people just want you to like >> turn it on.

>> Yeah. And you're like, "Okay, >> hit it.

>> Okay. No, we can do that.

>> We got you. [laughter]

Peace." And then it's like these ones.

>> Stop.

>> That [laughter] is off the hook. I

just want that great all I just want to do is just be in the situation one day where I can even just during sound check where I just stand there like >> you're so [laughter] but yeah I think

it's definitely a giving and taking of energy now and just celebrating and I love the there've been some fans who have been talking about that I've seen

of like it's just like I'm just so excited to go to see the show. I grew up with Blackpink. These girls mean so much

with Blackpink. These girls mean so much to me >> and vice versa.

>> You're memory makers.

>> Yeah.

>> You're memory makers. Your songs will always remind people >> of a time in their life and and then be rediscovered. Yeah. And now vice versa.

rediscovered. Yeah. And now vice versa.

>> Which is just so nice to be able to hear that you know you've be able to separate yourself enough to >> to capture and create some of your own memories from >> cuz if I asked you what it was like 8

years ago playing at that gig, >> you probably wouldn't be able to remember as well, right? No, I don't remember like how I felt in the moment except for like I'm going to [laughter] >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Within an inch of my life, I'M GOING TO DESTROY THIS ROOM.

IT'S GOING TO BE A great >> and the piece. [laughter]

>> By the way, if I ever see you go down going like that, I'll be like, "Oh, yeah. All right, Rosie."

yeah. All right, Rosie."

>> Yeah, we have a few shows left. I'll

I'll make sure to do that [laughter] next time.

>> I'm sure there's a few shows where I went down like that. [laughter] We can search on the internet. Um, you know, I want to come back to to you in a second, but but as this tour nears its end and

you've got a couple more shows next year, the beginning of next year, >> um, you know, I think one of the other things everyone's acutely aware of is the fact that at the heart of this is

four human beings, >> four people, >> um, who are dedicating themselves to creating these memories for fans and to putting on a great show. And it's a beautiful life. And I I we all

beautiful life. And I I we all acknowledge and love the gratitude that you all express for living this life, but around you are vans and planes and crew and equipment and pressures and

things like that. Being on this tour, if you're present on stage and you're able to appreciate and absorb the fans, >> what about all of the things that go on around you that gets you there and takes you off and keeps you going?

>> In the past, cuz we're experiencing everything for the first time, we're not used to all that. that usually tends to speak louder than the actual thing we're there for. Right now, I think we're at a

there for. Right now, I think we're at a point where >> we've learned how to um very just naturally flow through like

the traveling >> all that um going to new hotels like all that. We've learned how to kind of

that. We've learned how to kind of accept that naturally as like a natural flow of our life. Yes.

>> It's like we have the life off of tour and that's just like a normal way of living and then >> Yeah. Yeah. The life on tour is just

>> Yeah. Yeah. The life on tour is just that's another just it's almost like two people like if I had two different lives like that's just the flow of that life.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and to make sure you um save the energy um >> for when you get to work. Um, and then kind of keeping the brain quieter during

the travels because I think in the past like you're trying to make meaning of everything >> like every new hotel you get into like you just you know just trying to make sense of everything.

>> Yeah. And just being away from family and friends like all that every day like you're just trying to do that and yes it still gets to Yeah. We're human beings.

It does get to you. But I think it's just um we've [clears throat] experienced enough now that um we try to accept it as like a normal natural flow

of the way life on tour goes. Um and

then we just come to the show and make sure that the show is the main centerpiece of >> of what we're here for.

>> Yeah. So it's been more >> What are you watching when you're on the road? What's keep What do you do with

road? What's keep What do you do with your time? How do you how do you like

your time? How do you how do you like >> let me think >> like what what's blown like what have you watched this year that you really love like what's been a companion for you on an entertainment level that's kept you

>> you know what I have been um really like so the first for like about a year I've only just started watching things now but >> for a while I had so much cuz I was

still coming off of my album all of that and honestly promotions did not end have not ended still till now and there was like Blackpink tour and out like we had

a song release and everything. Um

there's so much in my brain that I don't think I had enough capacity in my brain to >> sit down and watch a different story and >> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah. I I didn't have enough and I've been going through a lot of you know I've just been working on that a lot of how to detach from so much brain

activity. Um, and then I think the first

activity. Um, and then I think the first time I watched something and I was shocked at myself for really like sitting down on a couch for the first

time and I think almost like a year and a half and I sat down for like on my couch for a whole week and I watched this Korean um like

TV series called Our Blues. I don't know why [laughter] I'm promoting this.

>> It's fine.

>> Actually, maybe I'm not allowed to do that cuz it's not Apple TV or something.

>> Totally fine.

>> Okay.

>> Totally fine. But anyway, um I watched this Korean TV show for like a week and that was the first time I've watched something I'd watched something in like a year and a half and um that's when I

knew I was like okay I've really worked on myself and it took me almost a year to kind of get me there. I was it was so hard to like >> how did you do it? Can I ask? I mean, I know that it's still fresh in your mind,

but this idea of being able to detach and to be able to process to the point where you can make sense of the workload and the success and all the life, how did you do it?

>> I don't know. I don't know if I'm even doing it correctly now, but let me think. Um,

think. Um, I think just a lot of self-reflection on kind of um pinpointing of how I'm feeling

>> and not like to not disregard any emotions cuz like I am really like grateful and I am so excited and thrilled and I am a bit overwhelmed and

all of these emotions to accept it all and and then and then just a lot of reflection and allowing ing emotions to just happen the way it did. And

>> my therapist always says, "If you feel something, try to figure out what it is before you figure out why it is."

>> I agree.

>> Right. Like what is it? And then can I trace it to something that is in my life then I can make a direct correlation to then I'll understand it better.

>> Yes. So a lot of that which means a lot of reflecting.

>> Yeah. cuz when you're really busy and you're doing so many things, you forget to check in on how me like what how is Rosie feeling?

>> Um work Rosie is like thriving.

>> 6 p.m. 7:00 p.m. on stage 9:00 p.m. in

[laughter] bed waking up. Yeah, for

sure.

>> What do we have to do next? We're there.

But then like also just reflecting on how to how you just like once in a while to to acknowledge that it's been very helpful. And I think

helpful. And I think >> as I did that like I learned how to take time off. I'm really bad. I've was

time off. I'm really bad. I've was

really bad at that to be honest. But I

think I have learned enough about myself now to know I'm not very good at it yet, but I'm still getting there [laughter]

to know like um what it means to um take time for what I need as Rosie. And I'm

still figuring it out to be honest.

>> We all are. I mean,

>> as I speak, I'm coming off like the longest >> year of like any musician on the planet.

Um, but no, it it's it makes total sense because you know, you're right like that those first chapters of your life are just go go go. But you can't maintain it.

>> You can't maintain it >> until you find a good structure so I can be back for more things.

>> Yeah.

>> Next week even.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> But you talk about like taking time off and also loving making music so much.

And I'd imagine that, and I've heard you talk about your process before, which I really really I like the way you talk about how the songs come up. It it

connects me to the music, connects all fans to the music when you say like I I don't I don't want to access ideas >> until I've gone in here and figured out what they're going to represent

>> from me.

>> Totally. The same thing for like now as well. I I think I was on such a like

well. I I think I was on such a like role of songwriting and I thought it would just kind of forever be that way.

But um there also comes a time where it's like I honestly just have to kind of live a little bit because when I wrote Rosie it was like it's my first

album um that I was part of the songwriting so heavily um and it took me what 28 years of my life to figure out that big one sub the first subject that

I want to like really dive deep into and it's only been like a year since >> I've come off of that. And so um I'm just like it's like life is just a lesson right now. I'm like learning

everything for the first time. I'm like

okay so this is what I'm going through after >> eyes wide open conscious and absorbing.

>> And it doesn't mean like just because I thought I'd just keep continue to do this like every day. Like if it's not that today then it's fine. Um it'll come on its natural course just like the

songwriting came for me then. I don't

think I like put my mind to it and said one year I'm going to write um the album. It wasn't like that. just I was

album. It wasn't like that. just I was in a studio and it spoke to me.

>> Yeah.

>> And I went, >> I would like to do this for >> the rest of the year.

>> Well, you were in some pain. I mean,

that's it's a painful album, you know? I

mean, that music came from a place of a real life lesson.

>> And so, and then that's when I Yes. Like

you said, and that was when I found that songwriting was very therapeutic to me and it was something I needed in my life. I honestly couldn't do anything

life. I honestly couldn't do anything else. like if they were to ask me to do

else. like if they were to ask me to do um other amazing let's say opportunities came through like nothing else was speaking to me except songwriting and I I actually said I just said I'm just

going to be in the studio for the rest of the year and I did it because that spoke to me >> in my life it had it was a bit far from my job necessarily. It was just what was

really helping me on a personal level. I

think that's what songwriting should be >> in the future too cuz that's how AP came out. That's how all the songs came out.

out. That's how all the songs came out.

>> Oh, they're very, very honest. You can

hear it. It's all the way through. It's

really interesting going back and listening to it again. It had been a minute since I put the album on and, you know, listened to it a couple of times and it it it it's funny. You know, the first time I heard Number One Girl, I

didn't get it the way I get it now. Does

that make sense?

>> And also, >> I completely forgot that you open the album with it, >> which is kind of crazy. like your first solo album >> you would think it would be if you're

going to start with anything up [laughter] right you know it's like hit him with the wine [gasps] >> and you're like no I'm going to pull myself wide open on the first >> song

>> which is I think now I think if I'm like that's pretty gut I don't know if it's gutsy I don't know if I'd make the same decision today but at that time I was like has to start with this [laughter]

>> yeah I wondered if it surprised you looking back on it cuz it really is like such an amazing like opening statement like I am not >> together like you think I am, [laughter]

>> right?

>> Yeah. Yeah. There's like this um Tik Tok I think my friend sent me and they were like it's so funny like this girl listens to obviously has heard a on the radio and she's like [laughter] [gasps]

>> I so this somebody tell me about this Rosie girl. Um I went to her album

Rosie girl. Um I went to her album listening to aa thinking it's gonna be the whole bangers. She thought the whole album would be a she's like no this

girl's depressed [laughter] and I was just like >> it's funny cuz it's true. I mean by the time she got to Too Bad for Us they're like oh my god give this girl some

therapy and a hot cup of soup.

>> Yeah, [laughter] that's what I need. But

how funny is that? And she's like this girl's depressed. I'm like, [laughter]

girl's depressed. I'm like, [laughter] "Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm opening up with number one girl." So,

>> I'm glad you did as a fan. I think it's like you said, I think it sets the tone for the album brilliantly. Um,

>> thank you.

>> So, going into the future and and by the way, I I say that in full acknowledgement and honoring the need for some time and I hope I know that you got a few dates in the new year, big shows, but hopefully you feel like

you're starting to get some space and thinking about what will come from that.

>> And I think just at this point is just letting life happen to you.

>> Yeah. Yeah,

>> it's not even like planning like I need something like a big subject. No, it's

like >> big subjects can be happening in your life and it doesn't always necessarily mean like that's what's going to bring you to the studio to write. I think it's just I think I have to let life happen

to me and just, you know, m that's what music is. It's about sharing experiences

music is. It's about sharing experiences and creating it and bonding through the world of music and art. And so

>> it's what's interesting to you >> that's going to interest us.

>> Yeah.

>> And I think some people feel that when they've had success or whatever that they have to go and find something that's going to interest us. And it's

like no no no no. The smallest thing can be interesting to you and lead to some kind of song cuz otherwise like oh man like who wants to wait around for heartbreak or tragedy or love or all these things that big subjects. It's

like you can't turn them on.

>> Yeah. I don't know. Like next year I might be like I'm like I'm going out.

Like I could literally wake up one day and be like I'm a whole different person.

>> And that's why I'm saying I need to let life happen. I I've noticed that like

life happen. I I've noticed that like nothing is has a formula necessarily especially when it comes to music.

>> Yeah.

>> And so I'm learning everything and I'm having so much fun and I'm also just grateful at the end of the day for my job. I'm like what an experience. And

job. I'm like what an experience. And

>> yeah, but you set an emotion. And I mean there must be if you've been able to go on stage with your friends and and really enjoy the moment.

>> Yes.

>> And embrace the experience.

>> Um that must open the door to some reflection here and there where you think about the journey and you think about the young person that kind of wanted something >> so badly

>> that they were willing to work really hard and and and commit everything toward that. M

toward that. M >> and like do have you sort of had a chance or even considered the overall like where you began and what really started this for you? What do you think

the original motivation was for you to want to pursue this life and >> oh >> be an artist and you know >> I think it was like um very natural

um just naturally I think um I was always in the backseat of the car in Australia going from home to like

school and radio was on and music's all around us and I too was just like I I I love all the music that's coming on the radio and I found an

interest to like my culture >> cuz back then K-pop existed too and I was born and raised in New Zealand in Australia. So I was very interested in

Australia. So I was very interested in my own culture and my background. I'm

Korean and and there's this big music scene in Korea and so I I remember it was my older sister. she would like she learned a lot about Korean music. Um,

and not just like the pop like R&B and like ballads and all like there was like a really like rap scene like all that music she had on like iTunes

>> and you know as the little sister I get to just [laughter] share everything she has. I'm just, you know,

has. I'm just, you know, >> Yeah. Power of the sibling.

>> Yeah. Power of the sibling.

>> Yes. And um anything she was absorbing I was absorbing too. That's how I got into like um even like uh like like other

genres too. She just had a bunch of

genres too. She just had a bunch of music on her iTunes. so many songs and then and that would range from Korean

music to like music out here like R&B to like you know band music like she listened to all like John Mayer then like like rap music like it was like all

there and I think that's how I absorbed music for the first time and YouTube was first kind of >> happening and that's when like >> we would have to like download for like 2 hours to watch a music video.

>> I remember.

>> Yeah. And so in the morning I'd like download a few songs and then by the time I got home I I'd watch a ride range from like K-pop videos to like to like

cuz I like loved watching um Dream Girls, [laughter] right? that movie and I and then I'd download like listen the music video on there and like [snorts]

>> um and then people started to post like cover songs with on guitars and I always watch being like oh I want to be that girl all of that being absorbed with this new technology and stuff.

>> You were right on time.

>> Yes. So, it's just very natural. And

then my dad was just witnessing that and just could tell I was very just interested in music and music was just like entertainment of my life cuz >> there was not really much to do then in

Australia. I just go to school and got

Australia. I just go to school and got my home like bored. So, play the piano >> um listen to music on like YouTube and stuff and and iTunes. And so,

>> um that's what naturally just got me there. And my my dad just saw that and

there. And my my dad just saw that and said, "Do something about it before you regret it." And

regret it." And >> Oh, wow.

suddenly in some like big system at 16 in Korea.

>> Yeah.

>> Like city of soul >> in this huge like incredible like system and and they I was so like [snorts] what a crazy life. And they like they

trained me. They gave me all the things

trained me. They gave me all the things I needed to do like dance lessons, vocal lessons. Like I' never learned anything

lessons. Like I' never learned anything in my life. Did all that and then Blackpink and and then Yeah. But what an amazing piece of advice for your father to give you. Do something about it before you regret it.

>> It's amazing. Um, we're almost out of time, uh, Ros, but I wanted to just ask one last question quickly because fans want to know and and obviously no commitment, but is the desire now that you've started to bring these songs to life with the band, even in an acoustic

environment, and you're going to be able to spend 26 living life, 2026, living some life and being open to experience.

Would you like to come back to this album and and tour it or would you prefer to make new music and then connect the two projects at a later date?

>> I think I'm just waiting for that too.

Like I think I'm waiting for an answer down, you know, deep down in my gut.

>> Um I can't like pinpoint. All I know is I've been on Blackpink tour and so I've just been waiting for that moment where I could maybe next week be like I just

want to tour it with this or I might want to build on on top of this and create like a more solid world. So I

can't give promises, but I just I do definitely know that like once I feel something just feels right >> for me like I'm going to I'll be really really excited to to to tour.

>> Oh, so will everybody. You've got you've got songs. You've been thinking about

got songs. You've been thinking about music. You have music.

music. You have music.

>> Oh, yes. Yes. Always. Um

for sure. Always. Um just waiting for it to grow and then um kind of create its own arms and legs and [laughter] >> Yeah. [gasps]

>> Yeah. [gasps] >> and flourish. Um but yeah, of course.

I'm I have I have a whole little mini album on my phone where I'm like amazing.

>> I like it.

>> Um I've I've always really enjoy getting to talk with you. Um, and I really appreciate a year on from the last conversation we had, which started this whole year, life-changing year that to be able to sort of, like we said, put a bit of a cap on it. I'm looking forward to where you go next.

>> Thank you so much for having me. I'm

really grateful.

>> Oh, thank you. It was really fun. I had

a great fun. Bye, Z.

>> Bye. [laughter]

>> Bye. [laughter]