RZA Talks Wu-Tang Final Chamber Tour, Cultural Leaders In Hip-Hop, Time Capsule, Aaliyah + More

wake that ass up in the morning The Breakfast Club morning everybody it's DJ Envy jar shamine the guy we are The Breakfast Club we got a special guest in the

building the legend Rizza he's here back welcome B back in the building how you feeling brother I feel super great yeah yeah everything is lovely I see you guys are back on tour yes indeed T Clan the

final chamber how difficult was that to put together well you know it's uh not as difficult as it used to be you know I but um now this is our last chance to

run around the globe together and uh yeah kind of was everybody you know agreed that it was the time we started thinking of a name everybody's like this one that that that that the final

chamber all right let's end with that b here we are why the final chamber though like how do you know you putting a period on this on is it just for the tour or just wuang in general oh no for the I mean Wu tanks forever that's why

that's why we see we put that Wu tank forever in there because it's you know W Tang is beyond just our physical presence of it you know what I mean but far as us coming together and coming to

your city all non members on stage you know what I mean you know when you get your ticket you getting all you getting that you know what I mean cuz sometimes you go to a wo show you might get four five you know what I mean so this is

like now here we all are uh clear your schedule for this you know I mean and let's run around the globe one more time together so we'll Star right here in America give it to to you know then

shoot cross the water you know I mean show some love and just you know kind of best way I can say it is take off that it's kind of a burden to all come together you know I mean because

everybody got a life a job or something going on in their lives and so what we said when that that sign go up we all come and the sign went up and everybody's here did The Residency make

it uh easier for everybody to say yo we can do this The Residency helped but even at The Residency we had some absentees you know what I mean so but it really helped because it really

helped just that consistency of coming together the consistency of our Brotherhood our Brotherhood really never never diminished over the years and I

think for Wu Tang we represent uh Community Unity you got to that's that's you know so many of us was inspired by like yo the wo is like you know your

your whole neighborhood on stage you know what I mean and I think that um we could use that right now I think you know what I mean like even artistically for the for the culture you could come

and and look at the example of the woo um yeah so the time is now you know what I mean does it financially make sense and the reason I ask so all eight members you got DJs you got everybody

comes with at least one person security or whatever that means so that's a lot of money to put out but you know wuang is always you know for the hood so I'm sure you guys are not charging astronomical prices so financially was

it a financial thing is what one of those things it's like we just need to do this regardless of fin finances oh the finances the finan is so beautiful because if you take a moment right just

be and think about the wuang Legacy and think about how many families is eating off of that Legacy you know what I mean I'm talking about thousands right that

Legacy has went on from the music to sparking other MC's to figure out their careers to inspire other producers and

MC's to and and DJs to get up and say yo I'm a DJ now I'm a so and then when you go on a tour you know I mean our tour

you know I just saw the tour bus count got about eight buses that's that's crazy so I'm just trying to tell you and then all the trucks know the production

for this tour is crazy we took time to really produce something you know since the New York State of Mind we've only kept elevating the level of production

so it's going to be so many families you know union workers truck drivers Caterers I mean

the security it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a village that's going to eat off of this and that's that's the beauty of it in all reality what's the difference between toring as grown men versus when y'all was

younger um that's a good question I think like as men you me right before you trying to get Shorty your line outside your door right you kind of touring for the experience of of of you

know sex drugs and rock and roll right but now you know you're you're you're you're moving with maturity and I think you really I can speak for myself since

I'm the one talking I think I really can understand the impact of what the music do and what it means right when somebody hears I grew up on the crime side the

New York Times and and they they relate that back to their life having second hand closed you know I mean even though a lot of us is doing better A lot of us is doing

worse M you know what I mean so I think that um as a man touring around the world and showing our culture is uh is more meaning meaningful than ever now I

I seen in an interview that you said you went to each member and said what do you want to be on this tour what do you need and you was able to give everybody that how difficult was that and and was there anybody that you

couldn't give what they wanted no at the end of the day you know you got to you know be satisfied right so we know we deal with mathematics right and and and

we know that that when there's dissatisfaction it breathes uh confusion right they say you know even when 70% of

the people were satisfied the other 30% was dissatisfied and that other 30% went and started their own [ __ ] and now you got competition so you got to strive to to to reach satisfaction and

satisfaction is when someone can say say yo for me you know I don't care if it's just like yo I just want bananas every night my in my dressing room that's what he want you know what I mean let's

accommodate that let's accommodate the comfortability because uh I think we I I know I see a different My Brother Devon um see it different our whole management team we

know that when you are going out on the road you leaving your family you know I mean you're leaving with you your routine of life and so we want to make you as comfortable as possible so this

is becomes a moment of Joy versus a moment of work mhm are you confident that every single member is going to show up for the show I mean I'm confident for confidence sake you know I mean of course I'm confident you know

what I mean but you know this this is life you know what I mean you can make a wrong turn on the 95 end up in a small town for the night you know what I mean but no I mean far as the

intention right it's all about intention and the and the intention everybody is intending to be here so if there's a glitch in The Matrix you know we'll deal with it right and and there's a album to

come with this too no no no I mean Allah mathematics has a new album that he he's um he P together called black Sansom uh uh he got a new song called

Mingo he took all like the black exploitation and kung fu movies and did the album and got the entire wuang Clan MC's on it got Benny The Butcher Co G um

just just one of those aarm mathematics albums we it's that's dope and he so that that's just ironically is coming out around the same time but it wasn't

like uh it wasn't wasn't like it was a a strategy plan it was just like he finished it at the time when the when the when the tour is about to happen so

that's a blessing for him and then um I did hear I could say this on the air I did hear some of Ray Quan's new album too

he yeah yeah yeah one of those yeah I'm excited to hear what so hopefully he gets that out before the tour drops and and uh B bang are you involved in rais

new album just you know I'm the Abbot you know I mean got they come to the temple and see if the ab it you know want to add some flavor to it or MH give some wisdom or advice you know what I

mean but he's the foundation of it he came to me um right before right during the holidays when he felt like he had a nice I just call it a a uh body of work

yeah body of work I was going to call it dough like piece of dough you got to mold that [ __ ] you know what I mean but yeah and and we vibed out listened to it twice and yeah I I had some vision and

share my vision but you know that's it's him doing it rayquan is always you know he's a general always you know know how to lead hisself but then also as a general you know as wise to check in

with the Abbot and be like yo yo Abbot what's your what's your two cents on this the thing with raay music you got to clean your pallet whenever you listen to any new rayquan album and when I mean clean your pallet you can't have no

purple tape on your mind the purple tape set the ball it's extremely high it's probably it might be the greatest hip-hop album of all time it's in that conversation one of those absolutely yes

in that conversation well one thing about him it's a few MC's right in our in our business that uh just when they open their mouth it sounds like a record

Nas is one of course you know the biggie was one Jay Ray um ghost ghost but no matter what like when you hear them you hear a record you Snoop you hear them

you hear a record you know what I mean and so on on this on his new music it's just like he's choosing unique ways unique tracks but soon as this voice come in it's like oh it's a record you

know what I mean yeah was it difficult who was the most difficult to get to do this and not because of them being difficult but maybe because of scheduling right you got MEF that's acting you're acting and producing you

got rayquan that owns a bunch of businesses and and these brothers leaving their families who was the most difficult to get it was like this is going to be a little tough I mean if

anyone if anyone I'll say uh you know I won't say difficult but let's just say um you know like you know who who does

the most shows out of all of us who's that no the J listen the jiza is he's like a jazz musician y right his SK it's

like you call him yo want to do the uh res say oh I got 40 shows over I'm going to Europe or yo I'm going to 20 shows in

Canada wow he just I mean he stays that liquid sword album arguably one of the best hip-hop albums of all time too absolutely it just go go so you got to

check his schedule because he definitely was is knocking 100 100 150 shows out the year and so we actually had to Pace to and wait for him it and I person he

had to wait for he was on tour yeah I gave him a call I was like like how's your schedule for this year like you know what I mean he was like I'm good all right I I need this much time right

here and bu bang yeah give me his word I want to get back to the to I want to ask you about liqu Source since we on it because we was having a whole debate last night in the group chat just about wuang songs wuang music because you know

my guy B do put out a top 10 greatest wuang records and and and on Liquid Swords cold world L it goes cold world labels fourth chamber in the Shadow

Boxing that's probably one of the greatest sequences on an album do you do you remember arranging that yeah definitely okay definitely that was my that's one of my specialties I think not

KN and then right the natural ability of editor edit editing or or having a through line of Storytelling right but it was always been my personality and at

that time it was only expressed through music now was being expressed and I direct films and TV shows and all that but it was it was a it was the same type

of energy like could feel the way it go I could feel like when the listener is listening it's like oh yo I want your emotion to rise up get them up by the time you got the fourth chamber you you

driving you you you might get a ticket you know what I mean and I I wanted you know you know how you feel that right here M yeah I I always strive to to get

that feeling um to have your spine feel it I said uh lyrics uh I said um Mar to the wooden Soldier see like a punk hold

us a thousand men watch I peric to the square we stand like flare escap in particular my Beats travel like a Vortex up your spine to the top of your

cere that's that's my that's my goal to hit you bam then I'm good when the last time you listen to your vers on Fourth chamber cuz it's so relevant to the day that's why I I mean no I mean I've been

I'm I'm I'm back into the study of what of everything of right now you know this tour first of all we got special guest run the Jews Jews and so it's like this is going to be a lyrical tour you know

what I mean it's going to be one of those tours that you know you going to get your sweat off guaranteed you going to get your jumps you going to get your your Classics but it's going to be those moments you're going to be

like I needed that you know what I mean cuz cuz you know words in the beginning was the word and the word became flesh you know what I mean and so those words are healing you

know what I mean it's like and and and you know we need it I I had something I was going to say to y'all this morning a law of segregation and discrimination is a sickness to Any

Nation when you deny a portion of the population a chance to experience the elevation it will only lead to the decimation of your system and the next

generation will pay for the mistake that will result in economic inflation ghetto living innocent black Latinos and European immigrants stuffed inside

housing tenaments lowincome recipients they got to choose between the food or to rent neighborhoods are cramped like P camps and X marked the spot where the Insidious policies were

stamped bad Health increasing bad policing and it's gentrification and Michael and Brad is leasing at night they feel fright from the dimly lit street lights my man G he

could beef and fight but he couldn't eat right loud sounds echoing gunshots he couldn't sleep right wow what a life when your life ain't worth a loaf of

bread or a box of white rice yeah blessed be the meek they said turny of the cheek but J borne just knocked him out with a sneaky right put him off

his feet it could come last it could come fast in the blast knock your senses back to the past it's like old popping sounds of big brass section you hear

from old Jazz me I stick to a piano key speak from a low a minor to a soprano e Bo o b it's the Abbot MC what's that

from that's something just there he said he just did this morning that your mind when you driving I said something I say I'm going share something here in the in the in the phone in the phone book are you getting back in the booth didn't

because it sounds like you you ready it ain't you know whether it's in the booth or not this tour like I said this is like this is that moment for for the woo

to that W that wisdom that you that unpredictability like let's let's get that back into the system M you know I honestly feel that Woo is like a part of hip-hop

culture that's needed you know what I mean and whether we could be the ones that continue physically do it or some young brothers are listening and they pick it up and they come and bring that wave like there's a there's some young

Brothers I know uh coastca y'all been seeing them yeah you know what I mean good flows good style good everything if they once they start injecting a little more wisdom into that you know what I

mean you know hip-hop needs that you know I mean it ain't all just about uh you know all our money guns and and sex and drugs you know I mean that's a portion of it not but it's not the it's

not all of it I saw you say something recently where you said uh Hot 97 Banning Wu Tang's music contributed to I guess not just the decline of the group but just the decline of New York sound and everything guaranteed I mean you

know we could date that you know what I mean we could look at it and see it happening because when you dealing with business right like all of us you know we we got jobs right and so we got to

come in and do our job if the dude say he paint it blue and you the painter you got to paint it blue right even though you know like man this blue is going to really

turn everybody away or it's really uh the paint got Leed in it or whatever you still got to stick to the job and I think like at that time you know and even maybe that's people were scared to

fight for each other you know I mean that's that's been one of our issues I think as as our culture right which you know there was a point when the culture

started um because of money we did started accepting each other I remember when when like Master P were come to New York and we accepted you know what I mean uh when Dre and Snoop and Ice Cube

we accepted it you know uh first we accept it from the music right and that be that's private but then when the money when somebody's blown with money then you accept it because of the money and so now you admiring him because of

his money but not because of his skill because of the culture you know what I mean so when that starts happening it's almost like uh now you're you're you're diminishing the culture because of the money so yeah

a dude could make a hit at the end of the day we talk about uh hip-hop hits Hammer Hammer had hits baby hell

yeah okay he was he was going Diamond you know what I mean and and and and and people didn't accept that as hip-hop for some reason back then even worse than that right even worse than that um and I

know I was pretty hard on hand myself so I'm going act like I wasn't you you know cuz I was some R right but we don't even give him his accolades y he he opened the door at the end of the day made for

commercial all that yeah yeah he help he like like see that's why I say Allah is merciful he gives he he takes a flaw like like you could take like let me

give you a quick metaphor I won't go too deep but let's look at two of our greatest our greatest artists right um 50 Cent M right and uh and I'mma say yay right m

both caught uh a floor in their jaw right one from a car crash and one from a tragic Street incident but both

now develop a tone that attracts the world so from a floor in the jaw you know I mean Allah blesses them more it's like

it's like it's like nah now you come back and and it's like it's whole swag it's or everything is it's it's it's it's sharpened without even knowing so hip-hop itself they said the DJ the dude

was like he said he was in his crib one of the old DJs right he's in the crib and and his mom's coming and he holds the record huh and she's like you know

turn it down blah blah blah he's like holding it now the scratch is invented that's crazy you know what I mean from a floor

I remember easy Mo was talking to with was doing a s seminar I was there was gambling huff and he was saying like yo um um how do you guys get that one part of the song that that that high hat I

think in for the love of money or one of their songs like those high hats like when it dropped out right there I sampled it I used it in all my Beats and I think Mr gamble was like oh that was a

mistake wow so even if I'm a mistake right we've given a chance to to to to multiply and to make something great you ever had one of those yeah what was

yours man so many to be quite Frank it's just like um sometimes you could go to your to your to your beat machine and it just glitches out you know what I mean I

feel like Method Man uh the original drum where it happened was almost like a glitch out but I liked it I just like I just then I just emulated it I emulated

the mistake you know what I mean but um I think that no not that the PO to the pat to the pat to the it's like that's the that's the bounce of it so then so when a guy like him got the got it on

the mic he he saw riding his riding his horse you know what I mean so but there's others too that that that it just happens like that you know when

where floor you know I mean even if you think about shame right I mean dirty came in late to the

studio but he did that verse right one take and then he's like sh n that was like he just he just I said no no n Go

do it over said n God they gonna love it wow I said all right he was right he was exactly you I mean actually actually I learned from that like that was a one take and one Hut one Hut two Hut three

got through that but got through all of that wow you know what I mean that's one thing about dirty if we could talk about him for a moment uh shout out to ydb he'll be on the tour with us um he'll be

um right that's his son his firstborn son um Baron he'll be on the tour doing his father versus for us he's been doing it for years and he's been doing a great

job um but one thing about dirty he almost never say the same lyric twice I mean say the lyric the same way

twice if he did it Shimmy Shimmy Ya Shimmy yam shimmy yay next time he do it he's not going to do it like that M he's almost like a once again like a jazz musician just goes with the spirit you

know what I mean it's and he'll tell he he'll say a rhyme that we wrote when we was 14 years old and then he was saying it during the woo era and eating [ __ ] up because I'll grab the

mic and I'll damager like you listen to his album that lyric is on the album twice yeah songs yeah yeah right because is it was more of a performance more of

a a energy that he would bring versus just the lyrical content but he was very special in uh in that uh and I think he help bring freedom the hip-hop expression yeah when they used to talk

about uh I think they said jiz used to write for dirty sometimes is that true yeah I'm like how do you write for dirty like well that's because we cousins right so that's always that's like at

that table the jiz you go we used to go to the jiza house you know this is poverty days jiza may have just you know one box of

oatmeal and we'll go get uh some kaiser buns you know how New York that's dinner baby and we'll still stay there for 3 Days on oatmeal and kaiser

buns just making pause tapes and WR and writing songs you know what I mean like so even when it says when the MC's came we made that when we was like 145 wow and when we was doing liquid Sports I

was like yo let's do that old routine we did at the table in that pause tape and we did it and bu bu do you do you ever remember those records that you

lost in the blood did you ever get any of that or or were able to produce that over or any of that at all nothing ever came back like it like it was um actually I'm glad you mentioned that

Envy we going to um there's a uh we're building this time capsule uh for the tour and we're going to invite our fans you know to come out and somebody a win

every night where they you could take something from your woo Nostalgia your woo history and put it in this time capsule and we don't know we going to put it at we I may bury it somewhere I

may put it in the museum but I'm going to collect something from every you know City from somebody but the first thing we're going to put in there and I sh I'm

I'm kind of telling you for the first time cuz I was going to surprise I'm going to take those disc that had inspector Dex album and I'm going to put it in that time capsule wow and if

somebody find it years later and open it up and figure out the you know technology could get all that or whatever is on it bu I'm shocked we don't have that now there's no technology that can get that now hasn't

happened we took uh you know um Dex man you know they deck they they snuck a few out and tried to do it you know what I mean because uh it's on floppy disc yo

you know what I mean um they took it to like to the NASA people and then get it you know what I mean yeah he's the one who suffered the most from that flood right I would say artistically yes you

know what I mean economically everybody suffered you know it was two floods even you know like like I don't know I was just I was I just took it like Noah you

know what I mean like yeah wash all your [ __ ] away I've I've lost more in life than uh than I've shared you know I'm out of the Lost phase got a good wife

you know what I mean uh who who know how to keep keep life organized for me and keep the balance but before yeah I was definitely known for losing a lot of things yeah now that one album I can't remember his name that the gentleman

bought didy yeah Marky did you ever get that album back because I know there was a fight to get it back did you ever get it back not personally but um it's owned by

uh a group of people called pleas a da um and um it just it continues to increase in value and have his own life

I mean they bought it for like 4 million uh and now there's people talking about like a whole another thing of what it could be so it's kind of one of those things have a life of his own

are we ever going to hear that or or or that's part of the deal that they can never play it publicly no no actually I'm striving now at this phase since since we're you know at this age and

kind of to figure out something I mean the the thing was yeah it was like not to be it can't be commercialized right for 88 years you know what I mean so so it can't be sold it can't be on on it can't be commerci

it can't be commercialized streaming service you could give it away I told I told Mr SC that in the beginning I was like yo especially just to give you a little backstory on that I

met him before he became the most evilest man in the world remember they had like the most evilest man in the world so I met him before he became Lex Luther you know what I mean straight up

and you know we sat down and he was telling me you know he you I'm a wo fam I love 50 c I love hip-hop uh rayquan you know some of some of his lyrics has

made me do business things and he he had a whole plan he was going to buy this Enigma machine I don't know if you know what the Enigma machines are those are the decoding machines they use to make

uh in World War I when they had to figure out um in fact it it led to the computer so he wants the the the and all the Turning papers who's the guy who

basically invented the computer he was he was in the woo album he was like I'mma get all these things and he going to do something I was like okay what the [ __ ] you gonna do but he had a plan like

whatever he was going to do boom and then when he when it went negative on him like maybe a few months later I saw it on TV I saw him on the news I said I was telling my wife yo that's the guy

that we selling the album to I wouldn't sell it to him I said oh no it's already like a deal even though it wasn't the the money didn't exchange hands it was already a deal and was in

contract form so I was like no I mean I sat down with him I told him yes and so so now we it's at the day that he gets it and you know he got he got a lot of

security everything you know and they kind of he has some some big dudes with him and uh I just said let me uh talk to him Moment by himself come here kid he's

still a kid to me so I'm like yo listen if I was you I would just give this away to the world like do something good because people were saying like you

bad right now he was like just smiled at me it went worse it went worse yeah so but I think that that would be a

beautiful thing if it if it was a way to give it or you know yeah I just think it's it's it's it'll be nice to share it you know if wuang was starting today how do you think the industry would treat a

group like wuang I think we'll still break through mhm right one we wasn't you know remember we came through also like we would rush in the building too now so

even though I actually think they built the building security because of wuang I'm sure remember before you could walk into a label like get in the elevator before

now before there was no front you could just go right upstairs yeah man now boy you know what I mean two forms of security downstairs and then upstairs yeah B you got all type of but it's like

you know what I mean sell Block H no but no no I think beyond all that right I I think the talent man look at the kind of talent you got in in in in the wo you

can see the talent the proof of it is just like even Method Man going to go ahead and be a star ghost is going to go ahead and be a star you know what I mean so it's just like you couldn't couldn't

deny it inspect the deck who's a who don't get the credit as he should I think far as Star level I mean I won't say as far as Star level because the fans go crazy when he comes on stage but

I mean far as within our industry separating all those top names we mentioned inspector de got some of the best verses in hip-hop history yo it's not even close you know what I mean and

it's just like okay so but that Talent is right there his his talent is what the first thing you hear when you hear woo first thing you hear I smoke on the M like smok and Joe Fraser you like and

you you immediately your ear goes oh wow who's this guy and then you think it's over then another guy comes in where got it going on prob like oh wow who's this guy so I think the talent will always

break through just like just like when you see other talents uh in our industry right now that just have something that you know know you know you know Tyler and the future Tyler the Creator and his

whole crew like could you couldn't deny couldn't when Frank Ocean album came out he was like oh y was that on me PE yeah now on this

tour bus um will there be a studio on the bus I'm sure with your mind there will be a studio on the bus yeah well actually there's a bus uh so John lenen

right John lenen um his foundation has has a bus called the John lenen bus which they they use for a lot of education purposes and I had a travel with us on the last tour and I'm going

to have a travel on this tour so it's not only a studio but uh it's like when you use it it helps kids and in in the cities and all that and they take it around the world and teach music

education and continue John John Lennon's Legacy you know imagine all the people living life is one right yeah John John Lenard right that was that was

crazy yeah I want to ask you about the fourth chamber verse you spit okay back in the day because it's so relevant today because you talk about you know government control economic inequality media manipulation all of that where when when you wrote that was that

prophecy or was that what you were seeing at the time a little bit of both right as an artist like like it's easy to say you

know right now oh yeah a prophecy but n but as an artist you supposed to tap in right it's

like to be quite Frank everybody is antenna mhm you know I mean the chemicals the biochemical equation of your physical composition is receiving

signals you could receive a thought right now from your man in La you know what I mean without this this this is kind of a proof for us who grew up without having this much power in our

hand Celia right and that is still cells all in your body you know what I mean but as an artist you get a signal you feel something some people says woke them out this sleep and they wrote songs

and yesterday I heard Paul McCartney he say yesterday he woke up it was in his dream and M and that song is forever right so I think that I know that myself

as an artist I would always just get hit with a with a joke of electricity and I was just right and so of course I was studying at that time as

well you know tune with mathematics mathematics don't lie you know what I mean and and it's just like some of the words just you know just just come to you and you got to be grateful and you

let it out and sometime when you hear yourself back it's not even you're you're actually not it's like that recording is sometime is not you if you you feel me I

mean it's almost like third person that's why Out of Body Experience that's why I was like the rer like I mean it's like it's like it was it's a title and and even even that

name it it came like that it was like cuz I was walking around prince raing prince raing it's like then something was like and I might I might have had a good smoke that

day I mean it was like yo the RZA what is that right but if you look at my look at the letters right the the r as roim said is the 18th letter and R is for

rule or ruler so that means you got to start to rule yourself but a ruler right it's not just the action of oh he's the ruler of the country no a rer is a

measurement device that you must use to measure everything before you get into your square right so now if I measure everything first before I

Zig when it's time for me to zag which could be going in the wrong direction I know I could always Zig back and then that A is for off right and that's that

arm leg leg arm head M and so in my life I was like it was just time for me to be like I to be the Risser and then then my

brother just like after we started moving uh moving our unit shout out to power shout out to Devon shout out to tarf before we start moving our unit um

they was like yo you're the Abbott you know what I mean I all right that's so that's my title within r on the Abbot but the the universe gave me

that title the rer so I wonder what you see now like when you see things like um like ice rage and then you think about the fourth chamber verse and you was like hit was sent from the president to

raage your residents you know when you see uh stuff like the Corona virus and stuff like that you say 6 million Devils just die from the bubonic flu all the Ebola virus you're just speaking about this plague that took over like what do

you what when you see what's what happened over the years and you think about that verse what do you what you yeah no I'd be like yo um at one point it's like yeah the the reality is the

reality right word time time MH words take time to materialize right mm so and so now we talking prophecy let's just talk about Noah he

they said he preached for like 300 years telling people y look we going to have to build these arcs and get in the water and go they're like man first of all keep in mind he's in the desert

talking about it's going to rain so nobody they can't believe that but the time for the world to be

materialized is is is is is the process of going from a thought to a gas to a liquid to a solid

manifestation right so you may say something today that won't manifest till later and so some of those lyrics are that right even more I think if you go

into into um the song Impossible oh my God so even there it's like you know my verse starts off with Fusion of the five

elements right which is mental enas right um and this is before uh you know the strong feminist

movement I was saying that you know women are going to be more celent M like they're not going to be messing with us like that you know what I'm saying uh and some life becomes irrelevant but the

but the Ben elevant King will communicate to you through your dream right so the most high he'll hit you through your dream and give you a mental picture of be formed and then Allah has heard and seen everywhere in

your surrounding atmosphere thermosphere Stratosphere trapos phere can you imagine from one single idea everything appeared here M MH let there be light that was a single idea but it took time

for all that to grow scientists say The Big Bang Theory they talking about it took billions of years we know it's been trillions of years for it to grow right so a mental picture been painted a la

scen everywhere you know let there be light and the light is here so anyway sometime you as an artist right you know you go back and look at science fiction

and we watch uh Jane Roddenberry who created Star Trek and we like yo wow he had the flip phone and next thing you know the flip

phone is phys is is in physical existence versus being an artistic existence yeah you know that's funny you said impossible because when B did the I'm read you these top 10 best wuang

songs yeah number 10 wuang ain't nothing to [ __ ] with number nine win Awards number eight Mr chess boxing number seven reunited number six is yours number five protect your neck number four can to be also simple number three

ice cream number two Tri number one cream we started flaming them in the group chat we just that's just not a good list like that we that's his list that's his list his list but very

commercialized oh that's be that right there be there what up yo but we said impossible is one of those songs that should be on there what do you what do you think of that list first of all well

no the list is up to the up to the list maker yeah you know what I mean but but he getss that list from online that's people that that go on his his online and hit him while he's doing the live thing so not just that and also that

list might be the top 10 streamers at the end of the day you go and check the top streamers those are the commercialized list those are the ones that are are casual wo fans those are the ones that they like yeah yeah those are the ones you better perform yeah

yeah yeah you know what I mean we come here you better hit us hit us and Y C look the beautiful thing is winter Wars cap came out of nowhere right you remember that I mean that's some time

ago but once again Talent nobody knew this guy you know what I mean we knew him you know what I mean I knew that yo he's one of the dopers MC's on on Staten Island while we was growing up me and

him always had tapes together like we had our tapes were circulating before who had tapes you know what I mean that's why he's like uh me and R the raw name printed in the tablet under the on

the under the Vets we paid our debts from M years he was like we was already having tapes before the other brothers was doing their thing but comes out of the out of the now and uh yugar brings

him to the crib and you know boom I was just happy to see him you know because uh Capon his name at first was original legit I mean

original right so I was like original you know what I mean and he was like yeah you know he his slang is ridiculous I mean he's like not Donna

jber like what it was that in capana I was like it wasn't no capana Street on Staten Island yet like maybe 5 years later there's like a capana named after

I didn't I didn't know what capana was M what is capana well I think it's like the like the leader of a of of of of the of the priesthood or something like that

you know what I mean yeah because there's a capana in the Catholic I think in the Catholic religion there's something that's capana yeah why Wars Ain had no drums

man there was like a baseline missing from win Awards like when you turn it up no the drum the drum yeah the drums was filtered was filtered the drums was

filtered out with uh something something caused the filter to phase and I left it what that was one of those mistakes that you were talking about right yeah yeah like the filter phased out and I was

just like I just love the verses and I love the energy of of the vibe of what was happening but here's a man that comes out drops his 32 bars it wasn't a

16 MH um and goes on to become a gold artist from one verse he's just like I would give respect to AZ on NAS right he had one verse on NAS joint goes on goes

on and become a life a [ __ ] yeah he comes on and become a historical hip-hop artist I mean quaa he just had a mention no n yeah one love one love come come home and got a

record deal that's the that's the power of hip-hop yo how did you what made y'all let Capon go so long did he write it or he already have it he just went there and did it and you like yo keep it

yeah he just aired it out he aired it out I mean he aired it out you can't when you you know back in the day when you even even now I guess when you hearing something and you just hearing

it and it just you can't stop listening right it's like it's like when Young Thug and um what think is Young Thug um Gucci

and I think it's Travis on uh that song Floyd Floyd Mayweather it's a long song y I rocked that whole song all the way through there just they just they just

going in M it's just going I'm like yo I play that when I'm headed home when I mean I still play it that song is probably what five seven years old now but they aired it out and just like that's what it is when you hear

something that airs it out you can't you can't you don't don't cut it do you remember some of those legendary battles in the studios some of that you people might not know of that you're there one day and this it might be this artist and

this and they just going back and forth and it's disgusting but great I mean yeah I mean far as Ru competition uh one thing I love about my brothers

that we it could get all the way up to [ __ ] you mean it could get that tense and then everything's cool who is the

worst with that that always gets personal and man I mean you you could you could guess that you gu yeah the Grouch the grou the Grouch come on

because he's unfiltered you don't give a [ __ ] you know what I mean and you know yeah you know yeah he don't care I feel like dirty would have been like that too

oh dirty but see what thing about no the thing about dirty though right cuz dirty was like that you know what I mean uh I mean I mean Man Dirty yeah but dirty I

think with him it was it was it was always like I guess like he's like like he'll yell yell yell get you get you hyped up

and then kiss you on your nose you see what I mean that's something magical about that you know what I mean and so so so for him it's always like you can't help but like

that's [ __ ] crazy I love this dude yo you know what I mean with yui it n it wasn't no kiss it's like it's like it's like

this and [ __ ] and actually somebody else usually got to stop slow it down mhm you know what I mean who's that person who's who's the it dep it could be anybody like like I think Master killer uh I

mean the ninth member of the client I think he's he's he's he's always been uh a balancer right yeah in fact shout out to master killer he's working

on a new album called balance right now I think that also I think another MC once again he just had those eight

bars on chess boxing you know what I mean but yet M built a career who who's your favorite mcing wuang I mean the

jiza is the is the is the is the head I mean you know I argue with people if you want to argue you know and especially at that time if you go and check the jiz

lyrics and his catalog of lyrics I don't think you're going to find no other MC um you know that that have given that compared to him lyrically I mean like I

I put jiz as my favorite MC um and and the way that he approached the mic and and the things that he he's done you think about

labels back then he's using every label but he's telling you a cohesive clear story you know what I mean with metaphors and wit and yeah and then he

goes on to do it again with Fame and then he goes on and do it with uh Animal Planet you know when he did it with Animal Planet which was crazy because he just used all the football teams mhm and

was talking about how the Jaguars against the Lions and I was I was like yeah that's like just as uh he's deep but it takes him it might take him

like a year to write a ro like that he won't write it like like R hit you hit hit the pen and be done in an hour and

it [ __ ] be fly marvelous fly [ __ ] you know what I mean the jizer is like he's still working on like me he he got songs

he's still been working on for 10 years cuz he he won't he won't say it if he does something quick he'll do it just cuz he has to do it but that's not his

that's not his best intention as an MC his intention as an MC is to to make it almost biblical or something like almost

like everything is there's no filler filler no words are filling the ideas you know I mean do we need another another wuang type group or person to

break the mold like you think about when protection that came out that was so un likee the mold that ever came out right it was it was no real hook there was just verses it didn't even start with a

verse it started with like it was just totally left but it caught right do you think we need something like that to break the mold because everything is starting to sound monotonous yeah you

always need a a a fres jol of energy and I think we're going to get it man it's MC's or artists right now just that's in their college dorm or in their mom's

crib or even in the in in the projects you know with better equipment than we had right with his laptop or whatever and they and they they just they just cooking and they're going to come and

show us I also have a small prediction for hip-hop like I think that hip-hop will get us will'll get the

um we'll get the it's like before we was we there's been a lot of um gratifying of gangsterism right I think Hip-hop will

now get artists that they they was they weren't drug dealers they're not criminals they studied this art they've

studied they lived hip hop in their form uh and they're going to bring a wave that won't feel so threatening and we had that and know not not saying that

they wasn't from the streets right but think of Day LA and tribe right think of uh Black Sheep um and um KMD most Talib

n of most Def and Talib right um but I was even going earlier than them because they come after it goes like that and then they kind of most definitely yeah you know what I mean I feel like we just had that though the last 15 years really if you think about

it because you think about the Kendricks the Drakes the J Cole's the W the Big Sean the chance the rappers the rap cities like they not on that [ __ ] and they've been the top guys girls for the

last how many years yeah I guess you're right but I but I'm still but I think it's something else different though because they they they they I still think it's more like a um how can I put

it that it ain't just that not from the streets it's it's it's still another spoonful of uh that's missing like

another spoonful of like the multi-layer okay the fashion of it right so who out of those you name who has the fashion the

fashion I don't know may I guess W maybe I don't know W yeah maybe I mean it's big fashion and influen you I don't think any of those guys exactly as far as influence I don't

think only maybe ASAP ASAP definitely ASAP ASAP definitely okay but then ASAP gives you the streets and the fashion right you see I mean I'm talking about where it'll

be the they they could they could fight because they they they've been training their whole life uh in some some uh some class they could play the instruments because they've been playing the

instruments they got a college degree cuz their their parents made them go to to college they love hip hop they know they could quote Slick Rick you know what I mean they could quote Kendrick

you know I mean they could do all of that so that artist from the hood but that's not Hood not in the gang not gangster went to college got the degree but study hip-hop love hiop and maybe

not from the hood maybe he's from the uh suburb ain't that Cole Cole went to college he go that's definitely Cole that's Co right is co right right Cole

CO's is that uh but then not the fashion definitely not the fashion you no no no I'm just saying so just I'm just saying I think there's a generation of them that's going to come through that that

they could have been as beautiful as a R&B artist this just use that right as witty as a hip-hop artist as Focus as

a um I don't know um let's just called a fashion artist right um and yet physically powerful as Ghost Face Killer

there there's only one there's only one like that who Kanye he's the only one that's not from the hood very fashionable very influenced he was not spitting ganger but he not he don't got

the physical like he not intimidating I get what you I get what is saying but he but he but he is a pioneer of that particular of that yeah yeah you got to

like Kendrick though oh me yeah of course yeah yeah listen one of Kendrick first samples on his early songs was he sampled me and I cleared it for free you

know what I mean I say no keep that you know what I mean yeah and that's listen he was this before he was about to go to the top of the world I just heard it

know he's SP he's a dope MC M yeah I gave Kendrick credit 10 years ago I mean and uh it's only gotten better yeah and

run the jewels is the perfect fit but but why did y'all choose run the jewels was it something that y had them on the RO before like I was running Jews we did a show with them we did two shows with

them before mhm and and and this this may sound like um they're like they're like to me one Jewels are like Rage Against the

Machine like think about that for a moment like they are like um you know their lyrics and they're

they're having fun of course but they're also politically conscious MH um their fans are like

die hard like die hard wo fans their their energy um we did we did two shows with them it was like and we was like oh [ __ ] you know I mean it's like it's like

I didn't know how big rage against machine was because you I'm in my bubble but when I when when we was uh in Europe they was like um should go see these

guys and I went and saw them I was like oh [ __ ] that's the energy that I love yeah let's put those energies together it was the same thing with one of the Jews

um they had 20,000 going crazy you know what I mean I was like oh [ __ ] even though I know Killer Mike for years you know from his first gold album uh um you

know of course everybody loved Michael but J took Michael on tour back in the day yeah yeah no Mike said that just a um to him to and give him God body G

yeah he said he said he he said j a Pioneer him and J is one of those dudes that really you know sparked his brain but yeah they this is a this is a nice like

I said this is a lyrical combination right here and um yeah and we talked about it for almost a year and then bu we living it what's the most underrated

wuang song that you think deserves more love in that when y'all perform on tour everybody just goes crazy well depending where you at right but I know one wuang

song that definitely seem like I don't think New Yorkers ever even heard it gravel pit oo of course that was with the video y'all dress like The Flintstones and all that

yeah yeah exactly all the fur coats and all that but man overseas you could play it twice on on the concert they love it wow yeah but in New

York n Play that you I mean somebody get mad that come on like ghost or somebody start frowning at you like Yo God who the [ __ ] do that yo math

[ __ ] M like I a doing my verse what was it the video or just if you know what it was a it was a I think it was a I think I was reaching I

was like I attempted to make a song in the rle way that was like poppy commercial for radio yeah but but I never needed that I

know but I did you know here the backstory of that song If I could share real quick no that song was it was was meant for Ayah so yeah we was in the studio me we

talked about it and I said I want I have this whole flinch own concept I'm going have you dressed up like uh like um uh Betty yeah like pebbles but you know cuz

AO was you know such in great shape and all that and I just had this whole plan and she was be like yeah we agreed and it just you know things went went yeah so she was gonna sing over that beat and

everything or it was just wow yeah now imagine her on it yeah cuz it was more Dancy and I get what you saying okay yeah was there any other artist that you guys work with that just never came to

fruition like ex or not I think not wuang Clan itself but I think you know all the members I'm blessed with everybody but on the album

called the uh on the W was the was the album where it's the only wuang album that it was like yo

let's let let our brothers in some pears in so Busters on it right Nas is on it snoopers is on it um red man is on it you know what I mean and those is you

know wo cousins those are family members yeah yeah my last question man uh you You' talked about the importance of discipline and self-mastery throughout your entire career why is that so important for people to have in the

industry now because I feel like it's a lack of it yeah definitely you know if you don't know the ledge like knowledge of self know the ledge you're going to fall off the edge and it's really as

simple as that you know your health is your wealth all the things you know being young is fun so when they come in our indust come in the industry you know they young it's exciting you know I mean

the blue pill red pill yellow pill you know what I mean and you know and and and you got and live but you know since everything is more potent you know what

I mean and everything is like uh before what could take 10 years to take you out could take you out now one year L than that in terms yeah just just like just like the information before it took

forever to get the information now you could just press the button it's the same thing with negativity and so I would tell uh I was just shout out all my young artists out there and or even

mature artists definitely take time to build yourself build your mind don't get too caught up in it you know what I mean look at this as as as as your work as

your love uh but keep yourself and your family first well we thank you appreciate you for joining us the tickets are on sale right now for theber tour withun the Jews get your tickets

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