Saturn-Neptune Conjunctions in Birth Charts

Hey, my name is Chris Brennan and you're listening to the Astrology podcast. In

this episode, I'm going to look at Saturn Neptune conjunctions and birth charts and share some preliminary research I've been doing recently about how that shows up in the lives of

different individuals, especially focusing in this case on uh celebrities and notable individuals who have documented lives.

All right. So, uh, today I'm recording this on February 16th, 2026. And the

Saturn Neptune conjunction is finally going exact just days from now on February 20th. And um, over the course

February 20th. And um, over the course of the past few years, we've been talking about this conjunction a lot in a mundane sense in terms of like what it

will indicate in terms of world events.

And a year ago, my friend Nick Dig and Best and I, we did a whole episode looking at Saturn Neptune conjunctions in history and what kind of historical events those conjunctions coincided with

over the course of the past 2,000 years or so. But in this episode, I wanted to

or so. But in this episode, I wanted to talk more about how it shows up in a natal context in birth charts in terms of people's lives and especially in

terms of concrete events. So, um, this isn't comprehensive. Uh, I don't feel

isn't comprehensive. Uh, I don't feel like I've finished researching this topic, but I do have a pretty long list of some examples that I wanted to go through today just to share um some of

the research that I've been doing to give people a little insight into this conjunction when it comes to acting as a natal signature. Um, in some instances

natal signature. Um, in some instances also including what house it falls in, which seems to be really important in terms of showing the specific area of manifestation.

So, this is not the last time I'll do this this topic, but I'll probably do other follow-up episodes in the future.

Um, but instead of getting caught up in too much preliminary stuff, why don't we just jump into it and start looking at some charts? So, I will show some um

some charts? So, I will show some um charts on the screen for those watching the video versions uh occasionally, but for the most part, I think I'm going to just like talk through some of these examples for the purpose of this

episode. All right. So, the first one I

episode. All right. So, the first one I wanted to start with is the birth chart of Betty Ford, who was a is the former

um first lady of the United States. She

was married to President Gerald Ford in the 1970s and she has a pretty close Saturn Neptune conjunction in Leo in the 12th house. Uh we actually have a time

12th house. Uh we actually have a time chart for her. She had Virgo rising and this conjunction was taking place in the 12th house. And the story with her is

12th house. And the story with her is that to make a long story short that she was um dealing with some issues, some like health issues and different things in

the ' 60s and ' 70s and she started developing a dependency on uh medication basically and on painkillers. And some

of this was triggered by um having a pinched nerve and severe back pain and she was prescribed opioid painkillers.

So that's where the 12th house thing is showing up where it's like there was a physical or a chronic ailment that was you know really painful for her. And as

a result of that they started prescribing her o opioids. Uh but then also during the same period she started relying on alcohol as a way to cope with um some of the things involving her

husband's really demanding political career. So

career. So following a family intervention in 1978, um she actually ended up channeling this in a positive way where in 1982 she

co-founded the Betty Ford Center, which was this pioneering nonprofit residential treatment facility in California dedicated to helping individuals with especially addiction

issuance and to overcome addiction issues. So this is a really beautiful

issues. So this is a really beautiful example because of the conciseness and because we can see on the one hand the

issue that came up with the Saturn Neptune conjunction where uh developing a addiction basically to to painkillers

but then also eventually channeling that in a positive direction in order to try to help other people who were suffering from similar addiction issues.

So pretty straightforward example. And

then like the Betty Ford Center is just like this legendary um treatment center at this point in time where people can go to to receive treatment for things especially like

celebrities over the past few decades commonly are mentioned um as having gone there to to deal with different addiction issues. So that's a good

addiction issues. So that's a good example of um sometimes with Saturn Neptune we see um substance abuse abuse

issues can come up and sometimes that can be in a challenging way but sometimes it can be in a way of like overcoming those issues and eventually trying to help other people that suffer

from similar issues.

All right, so that was one example I was looking at recently. Moving on, other examples.

Um, another one that's more tricky is we've seen recently how sometimes, um, Saturn Neptune conjunctions can deal with mysteries and mysterious things

happening that are either being suppressed or where there's mysteries that are being disclosed and like uncovered and solved. And that's

obviously been a major theme with this Saturn Neptune conjunction over the past year with some of the like Epstein files and things like that. But interestingly,

I found another birth chart that brings in some of these themes. And it's the birth chart of John Benet Ramsay who had the Saturn Neptune conjunction in the

8th house. And um her case is famous

8th house. And um her case is famous because in the 1990s um she was murdered in her home and there was this huge mystery surrounding who did it. And to

this day it actually still continues to be a sort of unsolved mystery. Although

there's a lot of different theories surrounding it and theories surrounding who may have done it or who didn't and a lot of mysteriousness and confusion and things like that basically surrounding

her her death. So here's her chart.

I will show really quickly here just to confirm the placement. So we see she has Gemini rising and Neptune at 12 degrees

of Capricorn uh conjunct Saturn at at 20° of Capricorn in a night chart.

Um, and one of the things that's interesting about this recently, we've been seeing a lot of instances where there's people born under a Saturn Neptune conjunction and then in

different ways now that Saturn and Neptune are conjoining in the sky again, it's acting as a recurrence transit. And

sometimes um, those people are coming up in the news again or there's like an important turning point taking place with respect to their story. And

interestingly, I was just looking this case up and in the news um September 24th through 25th as the Saturn Neptune conjunction was building up because

they've been co-present in the same sign ever since March of 2023 when Saturn moved into Pisces with with Neptune. Um

they were developing a Paramount Plus limited series about her life. And but

as as recently the most recent news was that in late October of 2025 there were reports saying that Paramount may end up shelving that series indefinitely due to

legal concerns um where for example her father John Ramsay has publicly indicated that he might take legal action against the series. So, there's still a lot of um

series. So, there's still a lot of um stuff surrounding that and it'll be interesting to see if that is something that continues to be like an ongoing story as Saturn and Neptune are

conjoining and still co-present over the next year or two. But, uh the takeaway for me was just sometimes Saturn Neptune conjunctions can involve a lot of

mysteriousness and a lot of different theories and a lot of um yeah, things going on that just aren't clear. And in

this instance, because it was in her eighth house, it very literally was a mystery surrounding her death and and how she how she died.

So, we'll see some other ones like that later in terms of mysteriousness.

Um, actually, why don't I bring up one of the the other ones now? Another one

that's just like that is I noticed that um John F. Kennedy had a Saturn Neptune

John F. Kennedy had a Saturn Neptune conjunction across the 10th and 11th houses. And I thought this was really

houses. And I thought this was really interesting because um he you know was assassinated in 1963 and it's been one of the biggest

things in the past century in terms of different theories about sometimes like conspiracy theories for lack of a better term or other theories about what what

the motivation was behind the shooting.

if there was like another shooter involved, if there were like who was involved, if there were other people beh besides um the guy that was was caught and was implicated in the shooting and

different things like that. So basically

JFK had a Saturn Neptune conjunction up at the top of his chart. And I just find it fascinating that the different theories and conspiracy theories surrounding his death has been like one of the biggest, let's say, attractions

over the course of the past century for different reasons because there are some genuinely mysterious things surrounding it. So that's an example of that. And

it. So that's an example of that. And

then obviously more recently the the more recent one is um the case that's happening with Jeffrey Epstein. And

that's obviously become the main case of this current Saturn Neptune conjunction since he was born with the Saturn Neptune conjunction in the 10th house.

And on the one hand, there's a lot of things coming out about how he was working behind the scenes and doing things. There's a lot of different um in

things. There's a lot of different um in some instances like conspiracy theories that have been confirmed about things that he was doing. In other instances, there's like pretty far out there

conspiracy theories that are still not validated, but that people are talking about and are sort of like circulating right now that he's having this recurrence of Saturn conjunct Neptune.

Um, I talked about some of that in some of the recent episodes, so I'm not going to get too much into it again here, but that's just another one of those cases where I've learned a lot during this

cycle and seeing this recurrence transit for him, where obviously a lot of it has to do with things that happen behind the scenes and things that are hidden or

sometimes conspiracies that are happening behind the scenes, which is one of the key words that Nick and I found during the the the original episode a year ago. But then also

sometimes on conjunctions there can be disclosures of things that were happening behind the scenes or something that suddenly comes out into the open.

Like for example, um in a recent episode I talked about or I showed how um the Sons of Liberty were involved in the Boston Tea Party which was under a

Saturn Neptune conjunction where you had this like secretive group of people that dressed up and then um threw all the tea into the harbor and like committed this

act but did so as part of like a secret group and tried to keep their identities somewhat hidden. But then recently in

somewhat hidden. But then recently in December, a historical society published a whole list of the names of all the verified members of the people that were

involved in the Boston Tea Party for the first time. So there was like a

first time. So there was like a disclosure like, you know, centuries later about something that was secret in the past. And I keep seeing that dynamic

the past. And I keep seeing that dynamic come up over and over again at different points. And it's one that I'm I'm paying

points. And it's one that I'm I'm paying attention to in different ways.

Um, maybe to keep that theme going, another one that's similar that I noticed that's in the news right now is Jeel Jazelle

Pelott, who um, this is a really tricky case. So, if you haven't word heard of

case. So, if you haven't word heard of it, you know, trigger warning. um

because it involved this case in France where a woman um who was married was being drugged by her husband and and

abused and also abused by like other people in the community. And it came out over the course of the past few years in this landmark trial that happened in

2024 and it was a huge case in France and she has a Saturn Neptune conjunction and basically found out that he'd been

drugging her for years and and doing all these terrible things and she's having a recurrence transit right now which on the one hand was the trial itself where

even though she could have had the case done the case privately because of what it involved. She chose to have the trial

it involved. She chose to have the trial publicly in order to bring light to this issue essentially and to disclose this this issue of what was happening

and to try to help you know potentially other people in the future by making this more public.

So um interestingly just yesterday, I'd already been researching this, but then I just found out today that just yesterday on

February 17th, just 3 days before the Saturn Neptune conjunction goes exact, um, she's having a recurrence transit and she just published an official

memoir talking about her story and like sharing it with the world. And um that's a really stunning example of again this idea of a recurrence transit that I've

been talking about so much over the past few months because I just see it happening so regularly and frequently where if somebody is born with a exact

alignment or an aspect between two planets then often times something really will really important will happen in their life later on when those same two planets align again. And in some in

instances like with Saturn and Neptune conjunctions that doesn't happen frequently because these two planets only conjoin every 36 years or so. Um so

it makes it even more stunning when you see it in those instances of somebody that will only have you know what two maybe three alignments of that tops probably just two alignments of that

tops in their natural lifetime but nonetheless having it be such an important turning point. And for her it has to do with um yeah publishing her me memoir and sharing her story and

bringing light to this. And one of the things that it brings up that I talked about on a recent episode uh I think in the past month was just how sometimes in the original Saturn

Neptune episode we saw a number of high-profile incidents involving chemicals or poisoning and different things like that. And I think her case

is another example of that because it involves, you know, she was being not just like secretly drugged, but it involves like a drugging or a sort of poisoning as a sort of theme at the same

time. So that was something that Nick

time. So that was something that Nick and I found in the re the the original episode, but it's continued to become more and more prominent. And we've seen at least two other instances of that

recently where as I mentioned in another episode um I think one of the US governmental agencies just put out a

report saying that like incidents of spouses um poisoning their their spouse are on the rise recently for some reason. So much so that they decided to

reason. So much so that they decided to put out a notification about it to try to get the word out to to to help curb this. And then um another poisoning news

this. And then um another poisoning news story that was just in the news a few days ago was um I think it was like the UK or like a few other countries put out

this announcement saying that Navali, the opposition leader in Russia was poisoned and they said that it was a specific poison from uh like a tree frog

or or something like that like a poisonous frog but they had identified the exact poison that was used to kill him. So that was another instance of

him. So that was another instance of this weird like poisoning theme coming up again um which we had found in the original episode but it's been striking

watching that um come up in different ways again over the course of this particular conjunction.

All right. So um there's a lot of other things involving that case but I'm not going to go into it. So I'll I'll move on and leave it there. Um let me see

what my other examples are. So I

mentioned Nallni so it might be worth mentioning at this point you know one of the Saturn Neptune conjunctions in the 19 in the Saturn in Libra conjunction in the early 1950s was Vladimir Putin and

one of the things I came to a realization about the other day was you know his first recurrence transit of that conjunction was in 1989

and around that time period where the Berlin Wall fell and then the Soviet Union broke up and there was the dissolusion of the Soviet Union which

was the big Saturn Neptune event that took place in the late 80s and early 90s under that conjunction which is the last conjunction we've had prior to this one.

But that conjunction and and the the fall of the Soviet Union or disillusion of the Soviet Union and the fall of the Berlin Wall was incredibly important to Putin because he was a KGB agent in East

Germany who was actually like witnessing the fall of the Berlin Wall at this that time. And um I think he said that that

time. And um I think he said that that the break up of the Soviet Union was like one of the greatest geopolitical disasters of the 20th century or something like that. But obviously it

was very personally important to him.

And what I realized recently is essentially ever since that time, he's been in the process of trying to build Russia back up from that point uh from

when that breakup happened and in some instances trying to uh bring certain things back from the past in some sense all the way up until today where we're

at the current Saturn Neptune conjunction and whatever the important turning point is that's happening right now or that's about to take place here as that Saturn Neptune conjunction is

going exact. So that one was was super

going exact. So that one was was super personally important. Even though you

personally important. Even though you know even though the broader thing is that that Saturn Neptune conjunction was coinciding with this huge event in terms of mundane astrology, we have to

remember that sometimes there's certain mundane events that are incredibly or are more important for certain individuals than others. especially

people that will end up being influential or world leaders at some point in the future.

So really interesting case and I'm really curious to see yeah what the next turning point is uh with respect to that under this conjunction for Putin personally but also for for Russia in

general.

All right. Um moving on. One that I found in the last episode that I did that we don't I don't want to we don't have to talk about extensively, but just to reiterate, I was really blown away

when I found that Christopher Columbus was born on a Saturn Neptune conjunction in the year 1451.

And then he first pitched the idea of exploring a new route to the Indies to the Spanish royals on a Saturn Neptune

conjunction recurrence in the year 1486.

So I thought this was incredible because of you know he one of the things about that is he had a mistaken idea and supposedly went to his death.

Eventually, he died thinking that he had discovered an alternative path to the Indies and and to like like South Asia, basically. But he was completely

basically. But he was completely mistaken. They had actually um

mistaken. They had actually um inadvertently discovered a completely new land mass with the Americas and began to colonize it and, you know,

enslave the population and all sorts of other terrible things. Um, but it's interesting in that instance that there was a mistaken understanding about

something or as a result of a mistaken understanding something else was accomplished.

Basically, that there was the discovery that took place which opened up a whole new era in terms of world history, but it was entirely based on a mistaken premise. and it was a mistaken premise

premise. and it was a mistaken premise that he evidently, if the reports are true, went to his deathbed still thinking was the case all the way until the end.

So um sometimes it's a really important thing and it's one of the most tricky things with this conjunction is what I've been calling the reality distortion field where

sometimes it can indicate an area where the person doesn't have an accurate understanding of reality or there's

something that's deceptive or where they've been deceived about some certain aspect of their reality. And I've

realized more and more over the past year that I've been watching this conjunction that it's because both um Saturn is actually the ancient planet that had to do with deception and

Neptune is kind of like the modern planet that also has to do with illusions and deception and things that look real but are not. So it's like you put those two planets together and

sometimes it can create an intense sort of reality distortion field in some way.

But it may be one that either the person doesn't know about until later.

Um, or it may be one in which the person never really figures out basically. It

may just be a blind spot that maybe other people can see but perhaps they can't. So, you know, that's happened and

can't. So, you know, that's happened and we've seen instances of like that in other instances like John Bené Ramsay

and the mystery surrounding her death or with um Jazelle Pelott who um discovered um how she was being deceived and and

what was happening to her years later.

Uh but even then there were still mysteries surrounding some of it. So

yeah, so that's a really important theme that I'm starting to get a a much better handle on. And something I just noticed

handle on. And something I just noticed after I did the last episode with Christopher Columbus is he may be about to do have another recurrence transit because I saw a notice that the White

House uh Trump and the White House may be getting ready to put up a statue to Christopher Columbus on the White House or near the White House sometime very

soon. possibly as soon as in the next

soon. possibly as soon as in the next couple of weeks from the report that I was seeing uh if it was true and this would be if that happens it's going to

be a recurrence transit for Columbus something like more than 500 years after he after he died. So we'll have to pay attention to that and see if that

actually manifests and comes about. But

that's going to be kind of crazy if it does. And it and it's going to be a good

does. And it and it's going to be a good example that our birth charts continue to live and to speak for as long as our

memory is alive and as long as it continues to echo in history in different ways. the astrology will

different ways. the astrology will always anytime your name or your memory comes up at some point in the future especially in a really important or

defining way uh that sometimes the astrology itself will reflect that in some ways. So we'll have to pay

some ways. So we'll have to pay attention to that case and see if that actually turns out to be the case in that instance. Just as for example with

that instance. Just as for example with Epstein, you know, Epstein has been dead since 2019. And yet in 2025 and 2026

since 2019. And yet in 2025 and 2026 when Saturn and Neptune have come so close, suddenly he becomes his name

becomes this huge worldwide phenomenon even though he's no longer around. So

the birth chart continues to live on um especially as long as our memory does and our impact on the world continues to

reverberate in history.

All right. So let's move on to the next one. Another one is

one. Another one is that I found an older one is Hinrich Cordelius Agria who famously wrote uh

the three books of occult philosophy. He

was born on a Saturn Neptune conjunction. And I did a whole episode

conjunction. And I did a whole episode uh a few years ago on Agria and his work because he wrote um like a classic what

became a classic me uh book on magic and the occult basically of of everything he he knew or had learned about that subject. And it became like a standard

subject. And it became like a standard reference volume for ceremonial magicians and people like that in the future. And it was interesting because

future. And it was interesting because it was like focusing on occultism and the structure of the hidden arts. Uh but

what was interesting about him that I thought was curious is I did read at one point that towards the end of his life he may have turned skeptical against

magic and the occult. And this is a interesting tension that I sometimes see come up that I think um I think Richard Tardes talked about in his treatment of

Saturn Neptune when he was talking about different figures like um Charles Darwin for example because Darwin famously was born on a Saturn

Neptune conjunction the same day as Abraham Lincoln and both of them manifested that conjunction in different ways but with Darwin And his work on the

theory of evolution ended up causing huge um tensions with religious people and and like the rel religious community because it showed

this alternative like scientific way of explaining how life came about and how humans came about on Earth that was different than you know whatever it

says in the Bible about how humans and and earth were were created. So, it

created this more of a science versus religion divide, which is one of the things that we see come up during Saturn Neptune conjunctions.

And Nick and I had documented a few instances of that in the episode a year ago. Like for example, I can't remember

ago. Like for example, I can't remember the conjunction, but in the late 1800s, there was like a society dedicated to studying

um psychic or paranormal things in a scientific or skeptical context that was created on a Saturn Neptune conjunction.

So I think we see something similar with Agria where even though he's known as having written this big book on magic, there may have been um a tension within

him about like science versus magic or belief versus skepticism or what have you that showed up in different ways in his life. And I think that's an

his life. And I think that's an important dynamic to be aware of when it comes to this conjunction because you know Saturn represents that which is

real and that which is um tangible and like the tangible structure of the universe whereas Neptune represents um

things that are more either spiritually inclined or things that make sense in abstract but may not have like a tangible reality and different things

like that. And sometimes you see a

like that. And sometimes you see a tension between those two worlds of the world that is real versus the world that is not real in some sense uh when that

alignment takes place.

So I think we'll come back to that later as a as a theme.

All right. So let's move on.

Um, you know, another one I've mentioned over the past year is Taylor Swift because she was born during the Saturn Neptune conjunction and she's having the recurrence now. And last summer, of

recurrence now. And last summer, of course, when the Saturn Neptune conjunction came really close again, but it didn't go exact, that was when her

partner and uh Travis Kelce and her got engaged and and announced their engagement. and we don't have like a

engagement. and we don't have like a confirmed birth time for her. So, we

don't know for sure what house it's falling in in her chart. But I I just realized recently that we actually do have a birth time for Travis Kelce and the Saturn Neptune conjunction uh

natally is in his fifth house. So, I

think now even at least through that we can kind of understand better why this Saturn Neptune conjunction might be coming up in a romantic context for that

couple. um certainly in his chart and

couple. um certainly in his chart and they announced their engagement last summer when Saturn and Neptune came close and then I think they're about to get married sometime this year. Uh I

think reports were saying in June maybe close to the Venus Jupiter conjunction but we'll see we'll see you know what ends up happening.

Um, a similar one like that I was looking at recently is Kathleen Kennedy who was born with the Saturn Neptune conjunction in the 1950s in Libra and

she's a really famous and influential Hollywood producer and um the how to tell this story. She's

somebody that worked with like Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. And in 2012,

she um actually took over when George Lucas sold his company, which uh had the rights to like Star Wars and stuff. That

was the main thing that his company did, Lucasfilm. Uh Kathleen Kennedy became

Lucasfilm. Uh Kathleen Kennedy became the president of that in in 2012 and left her previous production production company. And then that's what led to and

company. And then that's what led to and she was kind of at the helm of creating all of the new Star Wars franchises and everything like that. But interestingly

just uh recently on January 15th as the Saturn Neptune conjunction is going exact again she announced that she's officially stepping down as president of Lucasfilm.

And so it's this conjunction is bringing a an end to like a really important chapter in terms of her career as this really famous not just producer but also

in this instance like the president of an entire film studio and the person who had the final say about the direction of the Star Wars sequel trilogy and and

everything else all the television shows and things like that. And um

so with that we have a birth time for her and what I found was interesting was that her conjunction is in the 7th house and at first I didn't really understand

how that manifested but I was researching and it turns out um she has a partner who she worked with really closely on producing movies in the 1980s

and then they actually ended up getting married in like the the 1980s at one point. I think not too far off from the

point. I think not too far off from the conjunction. I want to say it was like

conjunction. I want to say it was like 87 or 88 or something like that, which would be close to her first recurrence of Saturn and Neptune. And then in 1991,

the two of them founded the Kennedy Marshall Company, which was this incredibly successful um and prolific and respected production

house in Hollywood, where after that they ended up producing really huge movies such as like The Six Sense in 1999, Seab Biscuit in 2003, Munich in

2005, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button in 2008. That's actually one of my favorite movies. uh Lincoln in 2012 by um Stephen Spielberg. Uh the Borne

franchise like the Borne identity and all the subsequent movies in that franchise. Uh signs in 2002 by might

franchise. Uh signs in 2002 by might Shyamalan and the Jurassic World trilogy that's been such a huge trilogy over the past decade.

So um suddenly the Saturn Neptune conjunction makes sense in that context in her chart because it's really pointing to her seventh house being important and um yeah working together

with her partner to create this huge production company I think was was part of that but a lot of it is also that she was in acting as a producer and then heading up

Lucasfilm. It's like she was doing

Lucasfilm. It's like she was doing something with film which is like about art, but she was very much on the structural side of that in terms of

producing and managing and sort of directing things from a business standpoint that are ultimately like artistic or cinematic creations.

And um you know there's lots of debates about like how that ended up going with like the the Star Wars sequels that we don't have to get into here. um in terms of that and that legacy. But it's

interesting how uh those important turning points of forming that production company with her partner under the late 80s and early 90s conjunction and then bringing something

to a close at this point with that uh second recurrence transit conjunction.

And it's a good reminder that sometimes conjunctions are the start of a new cycle and the birth of something new, but in other instances, it's the end of

a cycle and it's bringing something to completion at the end of of a very long period of time. So keep that in mind when it comes to looking at these conjunctions.

Let's see, another one. One of the charts in my files was somebody named Stephen Paddock who um had the conjunction in the fourth

house and he ended up like becoming a a mass shooter basically. I think he was involved in the Vegas shooting like a

few years ago which was Yeah, it was a mass murder. per

mass murder. per perpetrated the 2017 Las Vegas shooting and I think it was one of the largest

shootings in US history basically. But

what was interesting about his chart is that his Saturn Neptune conjunction fell in the fourth house. And I had noticed at one point a a weird thing about his biography, which is that his father

evidently was a prominent bank robber who was arrested in 1960 when Steven was 7 years old. And this guy was later

convicted and escaped prison in 1969 and appeared on the FBI's most wanted list.

And I found this quote from his brother Eric who said, quote, "The father was never with my mom and we didn't grow up under his influence."

And after the father was arrested, their mother told the children that the father had died in a car accident and kept his status as a bank robber a secret from the family.

So Saturn Neptune conjunction the fourth house and like the father was a criminal but also his criminality was kept secret

as a sort of like mystery or even as a lie um by the mother and then later they would grow up and like find out at some point in the future. So again, it's

sometimes that theme of there's something that's not clear or that's hidden or um that's being distorted in some instances deliberately by somebody

that you later find out about. And I

thought that was fascinating in in some ways and and may also have played into his psychology at some point when he ends up growing up to be this this mass

mass shooter.

Um okay, so moving on. Let me find some other interesting ones. There was one I knew um I was thinking about recently of somebody I knew who had a Saturn Neptune

conjunction in the fourth house to give a more positive example and they had the Saturn Neptune conjunction from the 1950s

and then at the recurrence in the 1980s they completed training in aruvedic medicine which is like Indian medicine

and they founded an ashram on the Saturn Neptune conjunction at that time in order to provide um sort of aryvedic and

like spiritually oriented health and medical advice to people basically as a medical co-op and I thought that was fascinating having it in the fourth

house and the idea of forming like an ashram or um a yeah like a a place for health and wellness but that's tied in

with one's religious and sort of spirit spiritual views about things in terms of the home and the living place and things like that and people would come to visit

and get treatment for different things and would be prescribed herbs or other health regimens in connection with ariovedic medicine. So I thought that

ariovedic medicine. So I thought that was really cool manifestation to give you a more positive example of like a fourth house Saturn Neptune conjunction.

Um, we've seen I've seen so many times, just as an aside, Saturn Neptune conjunctions being really important in the founding of different religious

communities was a major thing that came up during the original Saturn Neptune episode, but like continues to be a really obvious theme that I've found other instances of that at different

points in history over the course of the past year that I've continued researching this more because it's like you have Neptune, which is like the inspiration or the spiritual side of

things, but you put it together with Saturn, which really wants to bring those spiritual ideals or sometimes philosophical ideals into concrete form.

And sometimes that can manifest in attempting to create a physical structure or or community or location

that's in alignment with one's religious or philosophical or um just political ideals. in some instances.

ideals. in some instances.

Um, under similar things, uh, I have a birth chart I've used before for the Mercury Cafe, which is a local, um, was

a local place in Denver for many years.

And it was founded during the 1989 Saturn Neptune conjunction. And the

business opened uh, one day, I believe in 1990 with Scorpio rising in the Saturn Neptune conjunction in the third house. And I found that really

house. And I found that really fascinating because it was a like a restaurant um but it was also a place that had like a stage and it was very

communityoriented in terms of the local community and in terms of um organizing local community events surrounding an ideal. But one thing in particular it

ideal. But one thing in particular it did was it hosted and how I usually I first came to start going to the Mercury Cafe is they would host these um poetry

readings and poetry competitions or poetry slams and that's part of the third house connection there with Saturn Neptune in the third house of

communication was literally hosting and creating community events related to poetry. So that for a period of time it

poetry. So that for a period of time it was just this this um place everybody would go to in Denver for those poetry slams. And there were some very fa uh famous poets that kind of got their

start there and then went on to be successful like um Andrea Gibson for example would um read poetry there and

uh a number of other people. So that was an interesting one. And also in the third house, the third house also has to do with neighbors and communities and it was a very um community oriented place

around especially politically like in terms of um wanting to do good things in the community that were especially like more progressive and things like that.

So that was an instance where Neptune can be taking your higher ideals and trying to bring it into concrete form by creating a physical space for that for it. And in that sense because it was the

it. And in that sense because it was the third house it had to do with like the local community.

All right. Other examples, um, a funny one that I found that was a Saturn Neptune conjunction when I was researching is Haley Joe Osmond, who was a an actor that had the Saturn Neptune

conjunction in the 12th house. And I

thought that was really funny because his most famous and impactful role was he was like the child actor in the movie The Sixth Sense. And his most famous

line like spoil spoilers if you haven't seen the six sense I think everyone's seen it at this point but his most famous line was I see dead people and I thought that was incredible having a

Saturn Neptune conjunction in the 12th house and it's like his most famous role is this movie where he's like a little boy and he can see people who are dead that are like ghosts but nobody else can

see them and he's able to be like the gobetween in between these two worlds of um those that have passed away versus those that are still living and that

becomes like the focal point for the movie. And we we kind of see that

movie. And we we kind of see that sometimes when it comes to actors and some of their most famous or iconic roles sometimes speak to a chart placement that they have. And that's

true not just of actors but of their creatives as well where sometimes your chart speaks to what you end up creating in the world. even if it's something

where you're like acting or it's like a creative um a creative thing that you're doing rather than something that's like about you psychologically or something

like that like some action that you're taking in your own life. Um but I thought that was really interesting and fascinating example.

All right, another one to go back to the third house is Ken Burns, the documentary filmmaker.

He has a Saturn Neptune conjunction in the third house. And I think it's really interesting how he what he does, he's really famous for doing these

documentaries, especially documentaries about major um historic events in American history. Like for example, a

American history. Like for example, a recent one that he did was a whole documentary series on the American Revolution. And it's like communicating

Revolution. And it's like communicating and telling a story, but he's also doing so by doing recreation. So that he's recreating

um the images and the scenarios in order to try to give you a sense of the feeling of that time period. And

sometimes he'll use like quotes from people's diaries and have actors read those quotes during the course of the documentary to give you a real sense of

like what people were thinking or feeling during that time period. But I

think that's cool. The idea of having it in the third house of communication and choosing to speak about history through the the medium of cinema basically I

think is part of what's happening there.

Um, another third house one is I knew somebody once that had a Saturn Neptune conjunction in the third house and they were really focused on this idea of like the ambiguity of language and the

importance of definitions but also sometimes the idea of like reading into the deeper or sometimes hidden meanings

of words and texts. And that that was like a major focus for them was this idea of like the the ambiguity in

language itself and how um sometimes what looks like it's written on the surface that sometimes there's other things that are written below the

surface that you really have to think hard about and dig to see in order to understand what's actually being conveyed.

So that was another third house manifestation I was like um reflecting on recently that I thought was really interesting and and insightful.

Um, another Saturn Neptune conjunction is I know somebody who was like an astrologer but who kind of goes back and forth between whether they're an

astrologer versus whether they're not an astrologer, whether they believe in astrology or whether they're just interested in astrology from a historical standpoint and oftent times

is kind of like ambiguous about what they are at different points in their life and at different points in their life will like sort of go back and forth. Earth. And this idea of

forth. Earth. And this idea of ambiguity is a really crucial one when it comes to Saturn Neptune conjunctions that oftent times, especially depending

on the house placement, there can be these themes surrounding ambiguity and even ambivalence and sometimes like going back and forth. And it kind of

reminds me of um one of the things we focused on the original Saturn Neptune episode is how there were all these things involving the ambiguities between

borders and like physical borders. And

sometimes that was like ambiguities over borders between countries for example or places. But other times it could be

places. But other times it could be ambiguities surrounding um time zones.

For example, like some of the first time zones were set up at an important date during a Saturn Neptune conjunction we found in the original episode. Or

another one was like house division comes up in astrology at different points over the past decade.

um when a Saturn Neptune conjunction or Saturn Neptune squares come up. So 2017

for example was a big year where Saturn where house division was being discussed a lot in astrology at that time under that Saturn Neptune square. Um, another

one that was really interesting I was reflecting on recently was uh Jeffrey Cordelius and his work about astrology and divination and sometimes arguments

about whether astrology is divination or whether it's scientific are connected with uh Saturn Neptune alignments and

the ambiguity and sort of um distinction between those two things. So, that's

something I'll probably save for later because that's something I'd like to do a whole episode on at some point. But,

those are some other themes that are coming up for me recently.

All right. Um, going back, I was looking at some in the 1800s. An interesting one that came up was Edgar Allan Poe was born under the Saturn Neptune

conjunction around 1809. And he was the master of um, you know, the dark poem and the dream within a dream. And I

thought that was really brilliant and beautiful. Sometimes there can be a dark

beautiful. Sometimes there can be a dark component to Saturn depending on how it's situated with Neptune. And in some instances it can be like the higher

ideal and like the rosy aspirational dream, but in other instances it can be really more of a dark or pessimistic kind of like nightmare type situation.

And we see that going back and forth in different ways and even coming up, you know, with some of the things that are happening in the news in the late 1980s

um or or 2025 and 2026.

Um, another one that was interesting from the 1800s is that Neptune itself was discovered on a Saturn Neptune conjunction. And this was fascinating

conjunction. And this was fascinating because astronomers ended up using mathematical calculations in order to find the planet and kind of infer where it was where it

it had only previously been kind of like a mathematical suspicion or like a ghost that was out there, but they were able to find it because they had this like

sense that it existed um at that point and ended up finding it. So, a Saturn Neptune conjunction and also breaking down the the barriers between what would

what could be seen versus the unseen.

A really old one. I was looking to see what was like the oldest chart that I could find with the Saturn Neptune conjunction for like a confirmed birth date. And one of the ones in my files

date. And one of the ones in my files was the philosopher, the ancient neoplatonic philosopher Proclac who was born uh in the year 412 around a Saturn

Neptune conjunction at that point. And

he was one of the last great neoplatonists who attempted to build this massive uh kind of rigid system of logic to encompass all of mystical and

religious thought. And he was kind of

religious thought. And he was kind of like one of the last great pagan philosophers of the Platonic or Neoplatonic tradition. And neoplatanism

Neoplatonic tradition. And neoplatanism had gotten very complicated at that point. But one of the things that he

point. But one of the things that he wrote was like a book of um sort of like definitions related to neoplatinism.

And it's interesting seeing that he's like he was like a very systematic thinker but he was being very systematic in thinking about um neoplatanism

which has this very complex like system of religious and spiritual doctrine basically and I thought that was interesting in terms of him being one of

the last great philosophers of that of that tradition.

All right, let me see if there's any others that I meant to mention before I wrap up here.

Okay, two more interesting ones. One of

the most kind of interesting is Pierce Brosman was born on the 1953 conjunction and he's famous for playing he's most famous for playing the role of the spy

James Bond which in of itself I thought was kind of interesting when it comes to we're talking about this like secretive or like hidden thing and the idea of him being like a secret agent and his most

iconic role ever started in the in the 1990s but I was researching his biography a little bit and interestingly at his at the his first recurrence in

1989. That was the exact year that he

1989. That was the exact year that he was originally set to take over as James Bond, but then there were uh contract

disputes that ended up delaying it. And

this recurrence kind of marked the moment that his dream role started to become this professional tangible reality. And I think just a few years

reality. And I think just a few years later eventually in the mid 90s he would actually take over that role in the first movie Golden Eye which was like

his first film as James Bond. So, I

thought that was a cool one in terms of again that theme of like spies, um, things that are covert, covert operations, but sometimes that coming

out through the characters that a person creates or plays as a as a creative or as an artist in some instances, where in other instances it's like you have

people like um, you know, Vladimir Putin who was like literally a KGB agent um, and was playing out a role like that in a very much more literal like actual

actual sense.

Um, another one, this one I didn't know about, but Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, I don't know if people remember her, but she was really prominent in the 1980s,

and she um had this um goth like aesthetic. And the

Saturn Neptune conjunction was in her first house. She was born with Libra

first house. She was born with Libra rising. So, she had the Saturn Neptune

rising. So, she had the Saturn Neptune in the first house. And um let's see on Astrodatab Bank has a write up for her and it says she

was the daughter of a salesman and a mom who had a costume shop and at two she was scalded by boiling water and eventually had to have the scars

corrected with cosmetic surgery. So

that's the like sa Saturn in the first house of having a negative physical event happening to the body and the appearance, but also possibly the Neptune and the cosmetic surgery. And

then later it says it goes on it says she became a Las Vegas showgirl and sang with a rock band that did a gig in Italy. Then back in Los Angeles in 1971,

Italy. Then back in Los Angeles in 1971, she played a te in television bit parts and waited tables for her steady job. um

when she joined a comedy troop, her horror hostess costume was an immediate big hit and she vamped and camped it up.

So by the late 1980s, Elva was such a recognizable cult favorite that she was marketing Alvivera costumes, comic books cartoons paraphernelia and

hosting video thrillers. Every year near Halloween, she arises again from the crypt, so to speak. And interestingly

she her like fame was so much in playing this um Gothic character basically that they released a movie in 1988 which is under that Saturn Neptune conjunction

recurrence titled Elvvera Mistress of the Dark. So, I thought that was an

the Dark. So, I thought that was an amazing and funny one in terms of Saturn Neptune in the first house. And in some instances, you know, she had a physical thing that happened that was really

difficult for her, but also this idea of dressing up in a costume or having one's appearance be different than what it actually is. or um also it's kind of

actually is. or um also it's kind of similar to uh the Edgar Allan Poe example, but here in the first house it's like having a darker or gothic

aesthetic basically was part of part of what happened there.

All right. Another example is Alexander Graanbell who was born with the Saturn Neptune conjunction crossing his 12th and first whole sign houses and on the one hand I've talked about his story

before in a number of examples a number of episodes but he in inventing and promoting the telephone part of his

story was about breaking down borders between um the hearing and and people that are unable to hear or are hearing impaired.

And part of the story for that is like his own mother had hearing difficulty.

So he partially wanted to do that in order to help her but then he was involved in in doing different things working with the hearing impaired for

the entirety of his life and then ended up inventing the telephone. Although

interestingly there was ambiguity and like debates over whether he was the actual first inventor of the telephone or there was another woman who also claimed to have invented it and some

nebulousness actually about what the correct answer is surrounding that which I found really fascinating in terms of um the mystery surrounding that and and

who the true inventor really is. Another

one I found is Gwendalyn Brooks who had the Saturn Neptune conjunction across the 11th and 12th house and she was an American writer and the author of more than 20 books and she was the poet

laurate of the state of Illinois from 1969.

So she ended up being a winner of the Pulitzer Prize for literature and in 1989 she re she received a lifetime achievement award from the national

endowments for the arts. So what I found incredible about her her story is just having being born with the Saturn Neptune conjunction and then eventually

on the 1989 recurrence she was you know received the lifetime achievement award for her work as a poet and as a writer which is an an incredible example of a

recurrence transit.

Um, in in terms of art, Pablo Picasso had a Saturn Neptune conjunction in the 10th house. And I really like this

10th house. And I really like this example because of especially his work on um cubism and the work that he did on

cubism is really evocative for me of Saturn and Neptune because it's like art and painting but he's bringing this blockiness to forms which at first might

look it looks weird or or looks like not artistic especially as a break with the previous art up to that point. But

thinking about cubism in that context as part of a Saturn Neptune thing I think is really interesting and expressive in terms of that. Um he also had a recurrence in 1917 where he traveled to

Italy and began designing for the ballet roo. And this marked a shift from what

roo. And this marked a shift from what uh historians call his blue period which is more about sadness and things like that into a more structured uh classical

phase of his career.

So that's something I'd love to explore at some point is just different artists and how they paint or express themselves as an expression either of Saturn

Neptune alignments in this instance or other planetary alignments that might be more descriptive of their art and their creative their creativity as well as how

those recurrence transits sometimes line up with shifts in terms of their career and their artistic output.

Um, a more recent one I found that was interesting is Daniel Radcliffe was born with a Saturn Neptune conjunction in 1989. And he's of course most well known

1989. And he's of course most well known for playing Harry Potter as a young or as a child actor in the 2000s.

And on the one hand, that's kind of interesting that he played the role of like a wizard um in these mo the this iconic set of movies from the 2000s,

but he's having a recurrence transit right now. And there's two things about

right now. And there's two things about that that I find interesting. Um one is that he's currently on like a press run right now because he's receiving uh peak

critical acclaim for his recent careerdefining theatrical roles. And at

this point, this um recurrence is kind of successfully in some ways dissolving the ghost of Harry Potter and as he's he's sort of establishing himself as a

permanent and respected figure in terms of the acting world outside of that role. And I think that's one piece of it

role. And I think that's one piece of it just in terms of him establishing himself independent of that. But then

also um I guess HBO is like shooting a new Harry Potter series and just in the past year or two, maybe it was just the past year, they announced the new cast

and they announced who the new actor is that's playing the new Harry Potter. So

in some ways the Saturn Neptune recurrence is also like um in two different ways like that role him finally starting to be differentiated

from that role as an actor on the one hand due to his own um skill and acting in theater and and on his own but also in another sense because now another

actor has come along to play that role and so it will no longer be something that like singularly defines only Daniel Radcliffe. which I think is a really

Radcliffe. which I think is a really interesting example of a recurrence in that instance.

One of the themes we we often times bring up that we brought up in the mundane episode on Saturn and Neptune a year ago is it coinciding with the fall

of empires or the dissolusion of empires. And there were a bunch of

empires. And there were a bunch of different examples of this that we found in history in that episode. But there

were two birth charts that were interestingly tied in with that that both had Saturn Neptune conjunctions.

So one of them was for Fouad II of Egypt who had the Saturn Neptune conjunction in the 10th house with Mars. And he was the king of Egypt

with Mars. And he was the king of Egypt who ascended the throne as just a baby in 1952 after the abdication the forced

abdication of his father King Farooq I.

And this child, Fouad II, he reigned for less than a year until June of 1953.

And he ended up being then effectively the last reigning monarch of Egypt before the monarchy was completely

abolished after that point. Um, and it was also the last in his house lineage that had stretched back all the way until 1805.

So he ended up being overthrown when the monarchy and the aris aristo aristocracy was abolished in the 1952 revolution and the republic of Egypt was proclaimed.

Um so after being deposed he was brought to France. But interestingly,

France. But interestingly, one of the people, one of the primary people that was involved in the Egyptian revolution, Gamal Abdel Nasser was born

with the Saturn Neptune conjunction. And

if the time is right, it was in the 9inth house. and he played a leading

9inth house. and he played a leading role in the Egyptian revolution of 1952 which removed the original king Farooq and it temporarily installed his son for

a year or two but then it ushered in this period of industrialization of Egypt and the advancement of of uh sort of nationalism.

So yeah, there's other things with respect to that, but I just found it fascinating because of course he's born under a completely different Saturn Neptune conjunction, but somehow both

both the the final king of Egypt was born with a Saturn Neptune conjunction and then one of the leading people involved in the revolution is

born with an earlier Saturn Neptune conjunction. And then of course his his

conjunction. And then of course his his recurrence of that conjunction was being involved in the Egyptian revolution in the early 1950s which brought the end or

the the collapse of that monarchy and and the end of that monarchy.

So it's just a fascinating case. There

was another example like that actually of the king the king of England, King George III

was born in 1738 on a Saturn Neptune conjunction and he was the king who who was the king of England during the American Revolution.

So, and basically there was a Saturn Neptune conjunction that led up to the American Revolution during the Boston Tea Party, for example. So, that would have been a recurrence transit for him

where basically all of the American colonists start getting really rowdy and start to revolt. And one of the things I found interesting about that as I was

learning more about the American Revolution recently and watching different documentaries on it was initially the American the people involved in the

American Revolution were complaining about and they were directing most of their like hatred towards the British Parliament who were the ones that they

thought were the ones that were like raising the taxes and doing things that felt like overreaches to them that made them want to rebel. But then eventually

somewhat late in the process, it's like they were writing letters to the king asking him, the colonists were asking the king, King George, to intervene on

their behalf and advocate for them. But

then but he basically like didn't and ignored them. And then eventually late

ignored them. And then eventually late in the process, the colonists turned um their anger towards the king himself and

declared that the king was not doing his job and like protecting them or other things like that or was doing inappropriate actions. And then this

inappropriate actions. And then this eventually leads to the declaration of independence and declaring the colonies to be independent countries uh rather

than connected with the British crown up to that point or or from that point forward. So I thought that was

forward. So I thought that was fascinating because again this is another instance of Saturn Neptune sometimes representing the decline or

disillusion of of empires and sometimes the people that are involved in the disillusion of the empire themsel have Saturn Neptune conjunctions in their

birth chart. And in this instance, it's

birth chart. And in this instance, it's a really brilliant case study in terms of King George having that and then having the American Revolution be part

of his uh kicking off being part of his recurrence transit basically.

So, really cool stuff. Um,

yeah.

All right. So, I think that's it. I

think that's all I got to say. I've got

a few other examples, but I think that's probably good. Now, I realize this

probably good. Now, I realize this wasn't like one fully comprehensive, like I said, it would not be at the beginning, and two, it's also kind of not super well put together, but I just

wanted to share, especially since the conjunction is going exact, some of the research I've been been doing, just to give you an idea of some of the different threads that I've been picking up on as I've been researching these

Saturn Neptune conjunctions recently.

Uh, and to sort of put something out there in honor of the current conjunction that's going exact just in the next few days.

So, I'm sure there's tons of other examples I missed, and I would love to hear in the comments if you find a good example. Please let me know in the

example. Please let me know in the comments section on YouTube because that's where I usually pay attention to comments and then it helps me to pull some of those examples and resources

where especially I'm looking for other good examples of celebrities or notable figures whose lives are documented that are good examples of Saturn Neptune

conjunctions. So if you have a good one

conjunctions. So if you have a good one of those, then please post it in the YouTube comments. Um, additionally, if

YouTube comments. Um, additionally, if you have a a conjunction in your own personal life, if you have in your chart and you have some particular insight into that conjunction, especially the

house placement that it's in and how it manifests in that specific house and that specific area of your life, then definitely let me know in a comment on YouTube as well. And uh with any luck,

I'll keep compiling these. And if people would like to, I could do a follow-up episode talking about either additional celebrity examples that I find or I

could do another example. I could do another episode talking about um individual examples that are sent in by listeners and then maybe interviewing some people about those conjunctions. Or

I could also do a follow-up episode dedicated to collecting a bunch of recurrence transit examples of people that were born on the conjunction and then had something really important

happen to them under a subsequent conjunction. And again, if you have

conjunction. And again, if you have examples of that either in your personal life or celebrity examples, then definitely let me know and with any luck, I'll get enough to do a follow-up episode. All right, I think that's it

episode. All right, I think that's it for this episode. So, thanks a lot everybody for watching or listening to this episode of the podcast. Uh, good

luck with the Saturn Neptune conjunction happening over the course of the next week and I'll see you again next time.

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