Scientists made a DIGITAL COPY of a FLY and it started MOVING

Maxon and Tencent partnered up to bring AI tools into Cinema 4D.

>> Scientists just copied a fly's brain into a computer and it started moving.

>> Not having a coding experience might become an advantage in the future.

>> Let's get started.

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>> Oo.

>> So, we have Maxon and Hunion partnering up to bringing AI into a 3D software.

>> Oo. And we've got scientists copying a fly's brain into a computer. And we're

going to analyze an interview from a CEO who talked about why no coding experience can become an advantage in today's age. Isn't it strange not

today's age. Isn't it strange not knowing how to code can be an advantage?

Stay tuned until the end to find out why. But first up, we've got our AI and

why. But first up, we've got our AI and 3D announcement. So let's start with the

3D announcement. So let's start with the first topic. Maxon and Tencen partnered

first topic. Maxon and Tencen partnered up to bring AI tools into Cinema 4D. As

you guys know, Maxon is a parent company for Cinema 4D, ZBrush and other 3D tools. They have partnered with Tensson,

tools. They have partnered with Tensson, who is a parent company for Hoon 3D, which we have covered in the show in the previous episode. It will help you to

previous episode. It will help you to generate 3D models from text or from image references. They partnered up to

image references. They partnered up to bring these AI tools inside a 3D engine like Cinema 4D. And isn't it funny that we were talking about this just in the

previous episode with B level that we need finally someone to bring these tools in order to speed up the entire workflow because we cannot go to the online website keep going to these

website that are available and think that we can generate 3D models for oursel.

>> Dude, we called it. If you guys have been watching the episodes, we called this as 3D artists, as creatives ourselves who've been using some of these amazing tools like Cinema 4D,

Unreal Engine, Blender, ZBrush, Houdini, we've always been looking forward to see some of these AI tools integrated into the 3D softwares because the biggest challenge today is we have our

traditional pipeline which works flawlessly. It's accurate. It's our 3D

flawlessly. It's accurate. It's our 3D pipeline. But then there are these new

pipeline. But then there are these new companies, the startups in Silicon Valley that are creating some amazing AI tools that allow us to generate textures, generate 3D assets, generate

images, and all of them can be integrated into our traditional pipelines. But right now, our pipeline

pipelines. But right now, our pipeline is scattered all over the internet.

We've got our 3D tools that run locally on the computer. Then we have to go on random websites online to generate a texture on one website, generate images on another website, generate 3D assets

on another, and it just makes for a very complicated workflow, something that takes even more time.

>> But what we wanted to see was these AI companies partnering with 3D companies and bringing the tools under one umbrella. And that is precisely what

umbrella. And that is precisely what we're seeing here in this video. This is

an artist who went ahead and created the alien character, something similar to the Stranger Things series and rigged it automatically with Hon, brought that

into ZBrush, finalized the character, took it to Cinema 4D and created this beautiful shot. So Pratt, can you go

beautiful shot. So Pratt, can you go back to the video? Let's let's see the workflow and let's see the process that they have done. So the artist in this video already has an idea of what he

wants to do. He already has a few asset but in order to create the alien he goes to the new AI tools to generate the 3D model. Of course he will use mocap to

model. Of course he will use mocap to animate the alien and he will use other tools inside his pipeline to finish the video. As you can see this is not a text

video. As you can see this is not a text to video generation. This is not something that you prompt and you you start feeling lucky whether the result is going to be good or the result is not

what I actually exactly. He has full control over everything. He actually

records a lot of stuff live action. He

does his own mocap, but for a certain parts of his workflow, he needs something fast. He actually explained in

something fast. He actually explained in the video that he doesn't really care about the style or the model of the alien. He just wants something because

alien. He just wants something because it's really far. It's inside the spaceship. He just wants to tell his

spaceship. He just wants to tell his story. And that is exactly what we were

story. And that is exactly what we were talking about, right? We don't want a prompt to generate the entire thing. I

still like to do mocap. I still like to design the set. I still like to do the camera movement myself. But for certain parts, I need help.

>> The help can come from all of these tools are available out there.

>> To be honest, it's not even about liking the fact that he wants to do the camera work. He needs to because he has a very

work. He needs to because he has a very specific idea as to how he wants the shot to look.

>> Where you need a deterministic output is where you want to go to 3D softwares.

You need something precise for your final output. The alien, he could get

final output. The alien, he could get the ideas from AI. So he used AI to generate some sample images. He was

happy with one of them. And within

Cinema 4D, >> he managed to generate the character with the rig, which would have taken him traditionally weeks >> according to himself, a days, couple of

days or a couple of weeks to get done.

And now he did it within a couple of hours. And the rest of it he did by hand

hours. And the rest of it he did by hand inside Cinema 40. The simulations of Pyro as you can see coming off the jet there, the jet itself. This is how AI

can actually empower artists. What I

really found disappointing in the comments is a lot of people were also unhappy because of this new integration because they are against AI. Actually, I

thought everybody would be happy. We

were super excited when we saw the news.

Yes. But when you go to comment, Pratt, can you scroll down?

you would see that a lot of people are not actually happy with this partnership.

>> What I find disappointing is that you have to understand something from purely a business perspective. If these 3D companies do not adapt, what you're

going to see is in the future a random website that generates 3D assets and then there in the website you can animate it. But the animation experience

animate it. But the animation experience is going to be subpar because they don't have the years and decades of knowledge the guys behind Cinema 4D have to give you all of the tools you need to create

your final output. What is more superior is having AI come to our 3D softwares rather than us going from 3D to a random website that can bug out that can have

problems that will not be solved because the people working behind them may not have the decades of experience serving 3D artists. For me, I personally am

3D artists. For me, I personally am excited about this. We called this this was going to happen at some point. I

didn't know it's going to happen literally a week after >> I actually didn't think it would happen with Max on.

>> Yeah. But if Maxon's doing it, you bet your ass Unreal is going to do it.

Blender already has plugins by third party developers. You can imagine this

party developers. You can imagine this is going to happen in the entire 3D industry. We're going to get these tools

industry. We're going to get these tools integrated and it's much better to have these integrated rather than not because eventually you're going to have to do them on a website which will just

increase the time you need to spend on your entire project. And I want to talk about the negative impacts of all these comments. When people start posting

comments. When people start posting comments under the company's account, this would go back to the company. Of

course, they will see it and it will demotivate them and probably slow down the entire process. Whether you like it or not, AI is here. AI is going to be integrated. If you are using a software

integrated. If you are using a software and a lot of people who are commenting are actually paying for the subscription. If you are threatening

subscription. If you are threatening Maxon that you will unsubscribe, what is going to happen? They're going to slow down. their competitor is going to do it

down. their competitor is going to do it and then you have to switch to the competitor in >> learn entire new UI.

>> So you should support whatever 3D software that you're using to be at the forefront of technology to be integrating with all these new tools that are out there. And I think the

biggest misconception comes when it's about 3D model generation. I don't think we had a lot of these negative comments when AI mocap came around.

>> Yeah. Or even now if this was turned to a post by Hunan and Tensen about AI UV unwrapping, that's also someone's job.

If your concern is taking someone's job, AI UV unwrapping would also be taking a person's job that was UV unwrapping before. But I can guarantee you 90% of

before. But I can guarantee you 90% of artists, myself included, hate that part specifically because it's the least creative part for me. I have to spend a lot of time unwrapping a character and I

just want to get to the character animation and texturing. And so I know for a fact if someone use an AI powered UV unwrapping inside Maxon Cinema 4D or

Blender, they'd be grateful. But the

moment it changes to 3D asset generation, suddenly people are pissed off. I personally, this is my position.

off. I personally, this is my position.

I'm for technology. I'm for allowing creators to create faster and better work. And if this is going to allow

work. And if this is going to allow that, then I'm for it. In my opinion, a true artist will not let this be a hindrance to their output. They're not

going to go ahead and make a slop. A

true artist is not going to be like, "Okay, I'm just going to generate all of my assets and now my work is going to be inferior, but it's faster." A true artist is going to figure out how to use this tool the right way. Again, in this

very specific case, if you look at it, the alien is not your foreground asset.

It's an asset that is far away in the distance that you really don't need that much detail for. A very good example, Ian Hubert.

>> Ian Hubert when he made a lot of his YouTube tutorials for a lot of the background assets, he'd just go to Google images, >> grab someone's face, grab some poster

from Google images, and then paste that and wrap it around a 3D model. and he

always talked about how when anything is far in the distance and camera is in motion, there's going to be motion blur.

You're not going to notice it. Don't

spend all of your life modeling and texturing them to full quality.

It's technically the same thing. Now,

think about it. Instead of going to Google images and taking random images online, you're going to go and use these tools to generate it for yourself. It's

perhaps even quicker. For me, it's the same concept. And I personally am

same concept. And I personally am excited about this. I want to see this in Unreal. I want to see it in Unity. I

in Unreal. I want to see it in Unity. I

want to see it in every other tutorial.

Not tutorial, I mean I you pulled up lazy tutorial, Pratt, and I saw um I saw this. But

this. But >> he did this. So if you if you pay close attention, this is a very old version of Blender. So this video is dated. But you

Blender. So this video is dated. But you

can see the Google images.

>> Yeah. He just got to fit every single thing inside the image.

>> Yeah. He might have used his own images that he's captured when he was traveling around or sometimes Google images.

There's at least hundreds of tutorials that follow Ian Hubert's way of creating Google images. Take the images from

Google images. Take the images from online and then use it to make your shots. It's the same concept right now

shots. It's the same concept right now with AI. AI has been trained on Google

with AI. AI has been trained on Google images. You're using that to create new

images. You're using that to create new images or 3D assets to create 3D assets and then you're using it in your shots.

I like this technology. Let us know what you think.

>> We should we should go and comment something positive so the team is motivated to push this technology even further.

>> If Cinema 4D doesn't do it, Unreal will.

If Unreal doesn't do it, Unity will be doing it.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> Let us know what you guys think about this. I'm curious to know your thoughts.

this. I'm curious to know your thoughts.

Our audience sometimes is also divided.

I know some of you guys will be for this, some of you guys will hate it.

>> I think most of our audience would be for it.

>> I'm going to be honest. It doesn't

matter which side you're on. The whole

point of this show is that we look at what's happening in the world, analyze it, and prepare oursel for the future so that we can be in the best position possible. And I want everyone to

possible. And I want everyone to understand. We don't always have to

understand. We don't always have to agree with each other. I actually

appreciate if some of you guys are against this. I want to know why. I want

against this. I want to know why. I want

to know your opinion. If you're for it, I also want to know why. So, I invite every single one of you guys to let us know in the comments what you think about this news and where do you think

this all is going?

>> Faros, are we ready for the next part?

>> This is your favorite part, right?

>> This is insane.

>> Scientists just copied a fruit flies brain into a computer neuron by neuron in a whole brain emulation. Then they

gave it a digital body and it started moving and finding food and eating. No

training data, no machine learning. They

took a digital brain, gave it a digital body, and it moves. It responds to its

environment and behaves exactly like a fruitfly with 95% accuracy.

This was done by a team in San Francisco called Eon Systems. Pratt, pull up the main video in the article for me really quickly

in the article. Uh, no, this is not it.

It's within the article.

>> Nope, not this one. Yes, this is the one. That's the one. Yes.

one. That's the one. Yes.

So, what you're looking at right here, this is the 3D environment within a physics engine that simulates reality.

That mosquito, that that fly is currently moving without anyone telling it to move, without anyone guiding it, without anyone training it. All of its

movement and decision- making is done because a real brain was copied digitally and is now acting as the

guidance to this digital body of a fruitfly. Now, this team Eon Systems in

fruitfly. Now, this team Eon Systems in San Francisco specializes in emulating brains by scanning and mapping millions

and billions of neurons and their synaptic connections. Their mission is

synaptic connections. Their mission is to create a complete digital human emulation to prepare us for a future with digital intelligence.

Farad, before I continue and tell everyone how this actually works. What

are your initial thoughts?

>> My mind was blown. It was just I think last week that we covered the brain dish that was playing Doom. This is the exact opposite side of it. In the previous round they brought human brains

connected to a silicon and ask it to play a game. Now we are recreating a brain in a virtual environment and by itself it goes and walks and grooms and eats food.

>> Yes, this is against anything we've talked about when it comes to AI. Not

against this is different than anything we talked about when it comes to AI.

When you talk about machine learning and AI, you're training the models on large databases and data sets. This is not the case here. I want you to understand,

case here. I want you to understand, they did no training. There was no instructions. They just copied all of

instructions. They just copied all of the neurons and the connections of the brain, mapped it in research papers and models, and they gave it a physical body

inside the simulation, inside the computer. And then the connections told

computer. And then the connections told the body what to do. I'm going to give you guys some detail here in case you're fascinated as much as I am. The fruitly

has about 125,000 neurons and 50 million synaptic connections. The team took

synaptic connections. The team took research papers and models like flywire that have mapped and combined all the neuron and synaptic connections of the

fruitfly which simulate neural activity in the brain to predict motor behavior.

the body movements. But this is just the brain without the body. Then they took research papers and models like the

Neurommechfly V2 that can translate the neural signals into physical movement while incorporating sensory feedback to

the brain and that's the body. They took

the combination of the brain and body, put it inside a physics engine called mujoko, which is that video that we just saw, and then the fruitly just started

moving.

Fascinating. It's crazy.

I don't know if anyone understands what this means. I want you to guys to

this means. I want you to guys to understand the severity of this.

I'll explain this in human terms so it makes sense. brain, motor function,

makes sense. brain, motor function, body. Farah gets hungry or thirsty.

body. Farah gets hungry or thirsty.

Farah recognizes there's a glass. The

neurons and the synaptic pathways then send a signal to my hand and say, "Pick this up, drink it." And when I drink it, then there's a feedback back to the brain that I'm full. I'm no longer

thirsty.

That feedback is happening inside that simulation. So the fruitly recognizes

simulation. So the fruitly recognizes perhaps where sugar is, finds the sugar in the space, eats it, and feels full and doesn't need to eat anymore. All of

that is happening without a single scientist or researcher or a coder telling it what to do.

It's mind-blowing. The the part that is mind-blowing to me is that it's like buying something from IKEA, assembling it, and it starts working. So they just

made the brain turn on and it works.

>> It does its job.

>> This is Matrix.

>> Yes.

>> This is exact This is exactly like Matrix. I I'm just wondering what does

Matrix. I I'm just wondering what does that Fly thinks now? Does he think the environment that he is in is real? Of

course. I think the IQ level is so low to think about all of this. But when

they go to the next level of emulation when they do it for months, >> does it have a You're saying does it have a feeling of living?

>> No. No. feeling of understanding the reality that whether okay doesn't the fly the fruit fly wouldn't know but the next step would be mice the next step would be >> but does it yes but does it know it's real

>> yes exactly >> does it feel like it's in an environment does it have a feeling a fruitly probably has certain feelings I'm not saying as >> complex doesn't have feelings but mice does have a feeling mouses they have

feelings >> mice was right >> yes they do probably do mice have feelings can you search No, no, no. They

would understand if they are in an environment or >> they do have feelings. They feel pain.

>> Yes, >> they do feel pain.

>> It's crazy how the things going to move after this discovery.

Far is in awe.

>> Okay. So, since you brought it up, I'm going to talk about this and I want to get into the matrix discussion.

You said the mouse and the human brain.

I think we should give the context to the viewers. This company Eon Systems is

the viewers. This company Eon Systems is targeting right after the fruitfly to go after the digital emulation of a mouse brain and laying the groundwork to go to

human scale emulation. The mouse brain contains 70 million neurons which is 560 times the flies count. The human brain

contains 86 billion neurons and over 100 trillion synaptic connections. So

synaptic connections are the connections between >> between the neurons. Yeah. Each neuron

can connect up to 10,000 other neurons.

>> Okay.

>> You can imagine how much more complex it gets. But in this article on X, the

gets. But in this article on X, the researchers said it's not a problem of how. We know it's possible. It's just a

how. We know it's possible. It's just a problem of when that scale is not a problem. We're seeing it with AI models

problem. We're seeing it with AI models now. We thought that we cannot train AI

now. We thought that we cannot train AI models because we ran out of data on the internet. But we've been seeing the

internet. But we've been seeing the progress in these AI models with regards to con even if you consider that as a problem. We notice that these companies

problem. We notice that these companies are still moving forward.

So they're saying that we can still scale and get to the mouse brain emulation and eventually a human brain emulation.

What do you think will happen when we reach that state?

I asked you this question when we talked about Dishbrain >> that we currently have yes 200,000 human cells on the dish brain plain doom

>> yes >> what happens when you get it to 86 billion will they develop memory will they develop consciousness will it know it's alive and I told you I believe at

some point when you have a large enough cluster you will have it. And in this case, it's an exact replica.

It's not physical. It is digital, but it's an exact replica. So, you cannot tell me that it it won't, >> but

>> it's it's the entire model of the brain.

Think about it this way in this place.

So, 91% I read it says 95. So it's 91 to 95% behavior accuracy by having the entire model of the brain of the fruitly. Imagine getting 91% accuracy to

fruitly. Imagine getting 91% accuracy to a human brain. What does that mean? That

means it understands everything the human brain understands. How to move, how to think, >> what to think about.

>> Wait, how do you connect that? So now

they are connecting it to the body movement, right? So, so the the body

movement, right? So, so the the body movement of the fly all these neural mo neural circuits to the body movement of the fly >> for the humans then the human can walk

to can talk to.

>> No, first of all, you completely got it misunderstood. The fact that it knows

misunderstood. The fact that it knows how to walk is not the fascinating thing. It's walking because it wants to

thing. It's walking because it wants to get food. So, it understands hunger even

get food. So, it understands hunger even though it doesn't need food. It's coded

in the brain.

for it to find food and it's doing it digitally.

That's crazy. Therefore, when you're talking about body movements, body movements for a reason and that's a fruit flight. Let's go to the scale of

fruit flight. Let's go to the scale of the human brain. So, I do believe they're going to achieve at some point a level of consciousness with memory, with

instincts, with the same quirks, with the same memories. And what you have to understand is that they're copying a real fruitly and therefore they can copy a real mouse.

>> Yes.

>> And by that definition they can copy a real human.

I can copy Farhad's brain specifically Farhad's neurons and synaptic pathways with your memories, your quirks, your behaviors.

>> Oh, so I don't start from zero.

>> You do not start from zero. I assume

>> last saved. You get my last saved.

>> No, no, you can get my last saved version.

>> Apparently, I mean, you have to talk to Eon Systems about this, but this is what it means. We're not training.

it means. We're not training.

We're not training new one. Are we

bringing a new human with zero everything or no? With pre

>> I think it will be with everything you have with your memories.

>> How do you down? It's I mean my brain hurts just thinking about it and I'm as you know in the previous episode I'm not a fan of uploading my brain anywhere.

>> I haven't even gotten to the point of ethical considerations. Let's just talk

ethical considerations. Let's just talk about the science and how fascinating the science is.

>> The science is crazy.

>> I'll get to the matrix part. Let's go

one by one. I want everyone's opinion here in the comments. Farad Pratt all of you guys.

Why is this news important? First,

understanding the brain and discovering intelligence algorithms that evolution invented in the most expensive training run in history.

Think about it. How much money and effort are we putting into training AI models?

>> [ __ ] ton.

>> An ungodly amount of money.

>> We get to use the most expensive training run in history if we can copy our brain digitally. We get to understand our evolution, which is an

evolution that has taken 2.5 to three million [ __ ] years. The homogeneous

has been around for that long.

Homohabilist being one of the early ancestors. Homo sapiens, us, about

ancestors. Homo sapiens, us, about 300,000 years. So imagine you can

300,000 years. So imagine you can understand the evolution if you have it inside a computer. You can read the brain. You can analyze every single

brain. You can analyze every single action. You can simulate hundreds of

action. You can simulate hundreds of thousands of actions and analyze intelligence, human intelligence, which has never been done to this scale before. That's one reason why it's

before. That's one reason why it's fascinating.

Second reason why, and this is by Michael Andre, one of the guys who works at Aion Systems. I'm going to read it as a quote. We're

entering an era of artificial super intelligence. The biggest question isn't

intelligence. The biggest question isn't whether ASI will arrive. It's what form it will take and who gets to participate

in it. Right now, the default path is a

in it. Right now, the default path is a few labs build opaque AI systems and the rest of humanity hopes they're aligned.

I think there's a better option. A

successful hi-fi upload should feel like you. You that is robust, free from

you. You that is robust, free from illness and death, editable, can run faster than real time, and keep up with

AI. and most importantly aligned with

AI. and most importantly aligned with your values, your memories, relationships, and moral intuitions.

Brain emulation allows humans to flourish in a world with super intelligence.

>> Sounded like an intro of a movie.

>> What do you guys think about that?

>> Black Mirror episode.

>> What do you guys think about that?

It's I really cannot even imagine where would this go. How would you

this go. How would you imagine you copy yourself multiple times and you train yourself differently every

single time and all of these are available at your disposal. So instead

of agents you will have a copy version of yourself digitally that can do things for you. I have a Farhot planner. I have

for you. I have a Farhot planner. I have

a Farhot executor. I have a Farhot content creator. All by me

content creator. All by me >> with your own brain.

>> Yes. But it wouldn't be as powerful as AI though. So I'll take it as a two

AI though. So I'll take it as a two separate two separate category. I don't

know why he mentioned I need to read why he mentioned that he's comparing it to AI. To me AI is super intelligent,

AI. To me AI is super intelligent, right? They can do multiple things at

right? They can do multiple things at the same time. This is me literally me copied multiple times, right?

>> Yes. But we discussed this previously that biological intelligence has advantages over machine intelligence and machine intelligence has other advantages over biological intelligence.

What he's saying here, I'll tell you what I disagree with the ability to be free from illness and death. I

do not like the concept of immortality.

I believe this has been discussed extensively in mythologies, in stories.

Never ends well. We even had an X-Men movie about this. If you're immortal and you know it, I imagine that you'll never end up doing anything useful in life because you believe you have all the

time in the world. Think about the last time you had a project with no deadline.

Did you finish it? No. What's the

inspiration in life? Poets have written for hundreds and thousands of years about this concept of death and how death gives life meaning.

>> Yes.

>> Because it is the idea that one day it will all be over that gets you out of bed to do something useful to go ask the girl out if you want to to go and spend time with your family to go and work on

the project that you want to work on.

>> Start that project if you want if you were living forever.

>> So the concept of living forever for me is not actually interesting. I don't

think I'll be down for that. But free

from illness, yes, that's pretty damn good.

>> If you are not free from illness, your copy would be free from illness, right?

>> Uh well, listen, this is just a surface of the technology. What they're saying is that by analyzing the brain and having a copy, you'll get to test it.

You'll get to test it to be able to create a brain without Alzheimer's, without Parkinson's disease, and without deaging. basically to to a certain

deaging. basically to to a certain extent they can go and analyze it and create a brain free from illness and then be able to create medicines or

medications therapies that can allow you to live longer free from illness.

I don't know the full scope of it. Of

course, I'm not working at Eon systems, but I'm telling you what they're saying here is that by analyzing intelligence, they'll be able to create

things for humans to allow us to live a better life. That that that makes sense.

better life. That that that makes sense.

I I'm all for preventing Alzheimer's and dementia and all the brain related diseases.

>> I will say one thing. I do assume at some point the whole concept of super intelligence, neurolink,

the dish brain from cortical labs, biological brain on a computer and a digital copy of our brain. At some point there's a convergence which is >> I I think they're separate. You think

they all go?

>> At some point these studies will converge. I'll explain. When we are able

converge. I'll explain. When we are able to take our brains and copy the entire neural network digitally and simulate it in

environments. The fact that we can now

environments. The fact that we can now connect human cells to a silicon chip, so biological brain and a machine brain.

And the fact that we can also bring neural link a machine into our brain.

And the fact that we also can train large language models to be faster than us and have access to the world's knowledge. I believe there's going to be

knowledge. I believe there's going to be a convergence and what I would like to see is a world where we are innately

super intelligent. I am afraid of a

super intelligent. I am afraid of a world where we're going to have digital intelligence better than us.

We talked about this before this concept that if there is going to be models, AI models that are far smarter than us, >> it's evident, but that's going to happen

much faster than this. I'm not talking about the timeline. I'm solely speaking about the fact that if we're going to have a species, a digital species that is superior to human species, it could

lead to a dangerous outcome.

>> Sure.

>> Potentially.

>> Sure.

>> Considering how history has showed us in the jungles and Saharas, the food pyramid, the apex predator has always been the winner because they're the

strongest, more intelligent. We climbed

up that ladder because of our ability to cooperate in large groups, to grow our brain to a size that it can allow us to produce tools, produce language,

communicate more effectively, and so on and so forth. Now, we're creating the next apex predator ourselves, which is

potentially AI. Just a note on that,

potentially AI. Just a note on that, Codeex 5.4 4 and oo 4.6 are written by themselves. So technically if we reach

themselves. So technically if we reach an intelligence in the future they can claim you helped us in the beginning we took it ourself at the end.

>> We talked about this before that the reason why we are the apex predator as well is because we have control over other animals.

>> Yes, >> we have control over fish. We can

domesticate goats and sheep, cows, we domesticate plants.

Can AI domesticate us?

>> Yes.

>> If there is a digital species that is more powerful, faster, smarter.

>> I would say with social media, they can.

>> It might have its own goals and it may use humans as a whole >> to achieve its own goals. Whatever the

goal may be, I may be unaware of it, but thank you Pratt, but there is a way in which we don't

have to go down that path. Can we make humans super intelligent?

That's why I was thinking Neurolink could be that path. I'm trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to say, hey, if

optimistic. I'm trying to say, hey, if we manage to go from the middle of that pyramid to the top, we've done that before.

>> Again, the reason why homo sapiens are the only species in the homogeneous that are left is because we were the smartest. We managed to collaborate more

smartest. We managed to collaborate more effectively. We built better tools. We

effectively. We built better tools. We

were not the largest, by the way.

Neanderthalss were bigger than us. But

we managed to use our intelligence to beat them.

how it happened. There are different theories, but we managed to climb. So,

if we've done it once, we can do it again.

>> Far is very hopeful for humanity.

>> I truly am. Am I saying some of these companies would not use these tools to gain advantage over other humans and do evil things? No. Of course, some

evil things? No. Of course, some companies will, as they always have.

But knowing how the world is always going to find balance, there's always going to be uh half the population that are going to be good to you, the other half that are not. I believe the good

can exist and also become powerful. And

for me, that is if we build super intelligence, can we not also become super intelligent? Pratt, did you just

super intelligent? Pratt, did you just make that or >> Yeah, I just generated that.

>> Cyborgs.

Now, don't think about cyborgs as you having half of your face made out of metal with laser eyes. You don't have to look like that to be a cyborg.

>> Cool. If I'm a cyborg, I want laser eyes.

>> Maybe you don't want that, but that's how movies make it out to be. A cyborg

could really mean just you injecting something in your mind like Neurolink with a minimal procedure and now you

have extended abilities.

Or perhaps this is where it gets more interesting. I thought about this. This

interesting. I thought about this. This

is this is okay. This might get into a bit of a crazier area.

Human mutants.

How so? Okay. Pratt, you've done biotech right?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. We are capable of cloning animals at this point. We've done that before.

Okay. Sure.

>> We are able to now simulate real brain.

>> Fly brain. Fly brain eventually going to be human brain.

>> I wanted Yes. Let's say let's say assumption.

>> Do you think there is not a possibility where we can combine human cells and

eagle cells to have humans grow wings and also combine human brain cells with eagle brain cells to then have the ability to instantly know how to fly and

use the wings?

>> I don't think that would be the case.

I personally think our creation and God who has created us, there is a purpose that we don't have wings and there is no way for us to mix and match things. So

tomorrow you we can have eagle wings or I can have lions. What do you call that?

>> You already have lions.

You're already you're already a mutant.

>> Yes. So or the speed of cheetah. So

imagine you you want to make a human to go super fast. I think beside brain and I was reading about this there are so many other elements that makes us who we

are and makes the animal who they are the hormones the other body parts until we copy every single part not only the brain and another thing to add on top of that Andrew was always saying that we

only know a fraction of what our brain does >> precisely why they say this is still unknown even I think with this this technology like figuring out how does the brain work is a huge task They've

they've done it with the uh the fly which is great achievement. Mice would

be the next step. I think human it's extremely difficult. I'm not saying it's

extremely difficult. I'm not saying it's easy but it's possible.

>> We shall see.

>> Let's talk about evolution. Where do we come from?

>> That's also a >> No, no, no. It's no evolution.

Evolution.

>> Sure.

>> Before homohabilist, how did we become homohabulous?

We evolved from >> monkeys, >> other animals into homo sapiens.

>> Yes.

>> So if you track it back to the original form, >> Yes. without

>> Yes. without >> single cell organisms. >> Yes.

>> All I'm saying now is if we can go ahead and alter that, alter the DNA, alter the cells, could you not create a completely different

animal?

By the way, very clear about this. Is it

ethically right or wrong? All of those discussions will come afterwards. I'm

just saying and talking about possibilities here. I actually think there are way

here. I actually think there are way more. So, so what you're saying is okay,

more. So, so what you're saying is okay, this is A, this is B. If you figure out the basis of A and B, then we can mix A and B. I would say it's not the mix of A

and B. I would say it's not the mix of A and B. There is C, D, E, F, and G that

and B. There is C, D, E, F, and G that we don't even know. And you mix A and B, it will fall apart.

There are way more things involved >> that I don't know. I mean, I don't know if he will fall apart or not.

>> You probably >> the human god. Okay, let's test this wings. Jump off the mountain. Oops.

wings. Jump off the mountain. Oops.

Didn't work.

>> By the way, that happens to birds. It

happens to birds, too. But no, it I'm sure it happens to birds, too. You have

clumsy humans and you have clumsy birds.

I'm saying if you're lying, you're definitely going to [ __ ] fall. I know

>> you're going to be the fastest eagle alive.

>> But you I want you to just take into account all of those movies you watched about mutants. How did they create the

about mutants. How did they create the mutants? They had to understand how a

mutants? They had to understand how a human body works well enough to be able to combine it either before birth or even after birth to create it.

>> Do you know what kind of a mess do we have if we start mixing things? Human

elephants, then human eagles, then human donkeys. Just imagine the variety of

donkeys. Just imagine the variety of humans. Like it's it's going to be a

humans. Like it's it's going to be a mess. I think there's a reason.

mess. I think there's a reason.

>> By the way, I'm sure they've already done it with animals. Pratt, they've

done it with animals, right? I'm sure

they've mixed genes and DNA of animals.

>> I mean, they they mix dogs gene like the the breeds, but I don't >> No, no, but you cannot have a dog mate with a cat. That is not possible. But

I'm saying can we create >> You watch Narnia.

>> Oh [ __ ] >> Oh yeah, that's >> No, but I think to that level they haven't mixed. They mix breed, but I

haven't mixed. They mix breed, but I don't think they mix animals.

>> I don't think they have. It's ethically

not correct, you know. I think it's possible.

I'm not saying it's ethically correct or not yet. I'm just saying

not yet. I'm just saying >> if it's ethically incorrect, leave it alone.

>> By the way, I'm not Eon systems. I don't even have the capability to do this.

>> NO, BUT EVEN SYSTEM doesn't have the plans that you have, you evil.

>> No, they're going to >> they are not mixing humans and eagles.

These are all your ideas. They just said we want to analyze humans brain. I don't

know why you go all all the way there to let's just mix all these gins together and let's make new animal >> human worm.

Good. Actually, Eon System is a research and development lab. They're working on analyzing brains. They just did

analyzing brains. They just did Fruitfly. What you're talking about is

Fruitfly. What you're talking about is probably decades from now. But now

you're mixing, >> bro. Decades from now. Blink an eye.

>> bro. Decades from now. Blink an eye.

It's going to be here.

>> Let's see. But I really hope >> I checked with X. I checked with X and asked X to predict when we can emulate human brains and he said 2040.

>> 2040.

How?

>> Bro, we'll be alive.

>> Yeah. Yeah, we'll be. Hopefully. You

guys will be alive.

>> Yes.

>> We'll all be there.

>> Yes.

>> To witness it.

>> Farah donkey.

>> Farah's cockroach.

>> Next theory that I want to explore with you guys. Are you guys ready? Are you

you guys. Are you guys ready? Are you

guys ready?

>> Cool.

>> The simulation theory.

>> Oh yeah. This one was the most likely actually.

>> Let's talk about video games. Okay.

NPCs, non-playable characters. These are

characters that you find all across GTA, Skyrim. You'll have conversations with

Skyrim. You'll have conversations with them. And largely they are based off of

them. And largely they are based off of rulebased or machine learning algorithms. If this then that.

>> If player NPCs >> Yes. If player approaches the police

>> Yes. If player approaches the police car, then police car attacks.

>> Yes. And by creating the most sophisticated behavior trees, you'll end up with sophisticated games like GTA and Skyrim will where you feel like the

character is alive, but they're not. And

most players are getting the exact same experience.

Now, with AI and machine learning, games have been getting a slight turn.

Not all games, of course, very minimal, but we're slowly seeing videos on YouTube where people have incorporated LLMs into games where the characters

dialogue is based off of an AI model that has been trained on the characters behaviors and then responds to you as the player differently depending on what

you tell it. Correct me if I'm wrong, Pratt. Darth Waiter inside Fortnite,

Pratt. Darth Waiter inside Fortnite, that was AI enabled.

Yeah. Yeah.

>> Are you sure?

>> You can Pratt, can you quickly look it up? You can just do a Google search. If

up? You can just do a Google search. If

you search for Google, it will tell you.

>> I believe that Fortnite brought in Darth Vader and the response to every player was according to their action. So, Darth

Vader's lines, >> not not a bunch of rules, >> I believe. Not Pratt can check it right now, but you can I've seen people do it at least on YouTube where you can >> experiment. I see a lot of it. I've

>> experiment. I see a lot of it. I've

never seen AAA games use it. And I just I think it's because of the memory usage and the >> It will be very difficult. It's very

difficult and expensive.

>> Difficult. It would be heavy. That's it.

>> And expensive to train and run.

>> Pratt, I believe the answer is yes.

Right. Fortnite's Darth Vader is AI powered. Pratt is going to pull it up

powered. Pratt is going to pull it up right now. Fortnite's Darth Vader is AI

right now. Fortnite's Darth Vader is AI powered.

>> There you go.

>> And the voice actors are rebelling.

But talking about the fact that it was AI powered, it makes for a more exciting gameplay for sure, contextual. It makes

everyone have a unique experience.

And the AI is trained on Darth Vader's voice and Darth Vader's behavior and responds to you. And that's it.

>> Yeah.

>> Now, I want you to guys to go ahead and think about something different.

What happens if you put this fly inside a game?

A real fly's brain running inside the game. Now, I want you to go ahead and

game. Now, I want you to go ahead and take my example and exaggerate it. What

if you put a real human's brain copied into a game like Fortnite and GTA?

What if this life is that copy of someone's project and we are playing that game is showing matrix.

No, but I if what you're saying they they really achieve it at one point first of course it would be games. The

first thing I thought about it, if if they actually make it in a game engine like Unreal, when you have physics and you can add parameters and values to every single element, you can release a

human inside the city sample and say, "Okay, go and do what?"

>> My question is, will that human know that it is in a game?

>> Will it start questioning the fact that it is in a game at times just like we do?

just like us who have grown enough awareness. We are the only animals I

awareness. We are the only animals I hope that are aware that they are aware they may be in a game.

There are so many people on Tik Tok and on Instagram, especially the younger generation who talk about simulation theory. Elon Musk talked about it.

theory. Elon Musk talked about it.

>> Yes.

>> Did I say Elon Musk's?

>> Elon Musk talks about simulation theory that we may very well be inside a video game.

>> Yes.

>> Someone's project in a computer. And the

fact that we sometimes question that, but our brain hits a brick wall. Every

time we start thinking about the sheer size of the universe, VRAM explodes.

>> And think about it this way. It could

very well be that in 2040 when we scan a human brain and put it inside GTA, it knows it's inside GTA. It follows the physics of GTA. It cannot come out. It's

inside your computer inside GTA. His

life is GTA.

That's crazy. That's crazy. But I think that would be the first step when they emulate the human brain. Just let it go inside the game. But would it know when it dies and it comes back that it's the

same person or you can set that up?

>> It depends on the rules of the game.

>> Wow. This is mind-blowing. Really?

>> It depends on the rules.

>> Want to follow Eon systems and see how fast they can get to mice. I think with mice they will see a lot more than what they see with fruitfly because mice are really close. They can feel pain. They

really close. They can feel pain. They

can feel cold. They can feel warm. They

can get Alzheimer's.

They can Wow. They can analyze everything.

>> Mice get Alzheimer's. They do.

>> Yes.

>> Like they forget things.

>> Damn, I didn't know that >> because they test a lot of this on mice.

The anti- Alzheimer drugs.

>> Oh, I didn't know that.

>> Even dogs get it. The Robbies the pets said that dogs can get Alzheimer too.

Okay. I didn't know all of that.

Interesting.

Do we want to talk about ethical considerations or I think we've covered >> everything is not ethical about this bro what is ethical about this >> if we reach a human level >> there are benefits as they have

discussed the fact that they can study >> intelligence is fine yes >> no but how much can you learn about human intelligence if you work on a fruit flies brain

>> we can learn from you >> but seriously speaking if you have an understanding of the human intelligence you can do so many things I can't even imagine how much

right now >> if they come to you and say do you volunteer for the human brain >> I don't know I genuinely don't know probably not >> 20k 50k >> bro no

>> 100k >> no it's not that it's >> imagine if they copy your brain all those dirty thoughts that you have would be copied >> every single thing >> everything yeah

>> and why do you say I have dirty thoughts >> no you have some at least.

>> Pratt, I don't have dirty thoughts.

>> Like every single thing, every single plan in your head, every single thing would be copied.

>> Of course.

>> Wow. And you may even be able to delete it.

>> Imagine >> the trauma.

>> Imagine you you can upload your brain, delete your trauma, and then bring it back.

>> No, but the trauma makes you who you are.

>> No, us. Sure. But someone who's going to commit suicide.

>> True.

>> Imagine they're able to upload their brain, delete the trauma memory, and bring it back.

And then there's a bug in the system deletes the entire memory.

>> All of this is possible.

>> Wow.

>> All of this is possible, which is why it's freaking fascinating and scary at the same time.

>> Shall we ask them what do they think about this? And let us know.

about this? And let us know.

>> I I'm guaranteeing you, you put a brain inside a computer with 86 billion neurons and trillions, hundreds of trillions of synaptic connections, it's going to be conscious. That brain is not

gonna be unconscious. It's going to be conscious. So, we're going to get to the

conscious. So, we're going to get to the ethical questions. The question is when,

ethical questions. The question is when, >> but you'll be sure that we'll talk about it on this show right here.

>> We bring a deep dish brain and also >> deep brain, bro. That's deep DISH PIZZA.

>> What is a deep >> What is a dish?

>> That's the name of it. I'm telling you, that's the name of a pizza. Deep dish

pizza. That's a good name for a product.

Deep dish brain.

>> Pratt, would you take that deep dish brain?

>> Pratt, can you pull up deep dish pizza?

That's a That's a name of a Yeah, that's a name of a dish.

>> What city is >> Why do you keep thinking about food when we talk about brains >> pizza? It's from Chicago. Yes, Chicago.

>> pizza? It's from Chicago. Yes, Chicago.

>> Bro, you need to stop. Go to images.

>> Go to images.

>> I would eat that.

>> Thank you. Yeah, that's a deep dish pizza.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> Why do you keep comparing brain to food?

>> No, they call it the second time the brain dish.

>> Second time. Farah, what do we have next?

>> Next.

Not having code experience is becoming an advantage. It's funny to say that.

an advantage. It's funny to say that.

Previously, they would ask you to go and learn computer science, go and learn coding, go and learn as much as you can because software is the future. Now,

Replet CEO, a company who helps you build software and deploy them using AI, came on an interview and said not having the code experience might actually be

beneficial. Let's watch the interview uh

beneficial. Let's watch the interview uh snip snippet of it and then we talk about it.

>> You don't need any development experience. You need grit and you need

experience. You need grit and you need to be like a fast learner. You need to be like I would say if you're like a good gamer, if you can like jump in a game and figure it out really quickly, you're you're really good at this. But

even if you're not a good gamer, you'll figure it out eventually. But people who are who grew up with technology or like fast learners are are now like the best

at this. I I will venture to say that

at this. I I will venture to say that not having a coding experience is is becoming an advantage because coders get lost in the details. Product people,

people who are focused on solving a problem, on making money, they're going to be focused on marketing, they're going to be focused on user interface, they're going to be focused on on all the right things.

So um at some point uh I think this year it's going to flip and I think not having a coding background is going to be more

advantageous for the the entrepreneur.

>> So this is Amjad Masad the CEO of Replet and he was on a podcast.

>> Brad can you pause the video? Thank you.

talking about why not having a coding experience is important. And I quite like the idea and I truly believe with all these AI tools that we have nowadays,

knowing what you want and having that idea is the most important thing. Funny

enough, Pratt, if you scroll down, you will see Hun CEO also commented that the gamer analogy is so underrated. Pattern

recognition, fast iteration, and not being afraid to fail. Those instincts

transfer everywhere. Basically, what

they're saying is you need to have the idea. You need to know what you want and

idea. You need to know what you want and you can all use all these tools in order to find it. P I think it's on the main post.

>> [ __ ] meter high.

>> No, there is contradicting uh comments under it which we are going to cover, but I want to know what you think about it.

>> Sorry. Are you looking for the comments?

Is it Are you sure it's under this one by agent CEO?

>> But you don't have to. I mean, you already mentioned it.

>> What do I think about this?

I do think it's a cool idea.

Not sure how true it is. I'm not a programmer. Neither am I in Silicon

programmer. Neither am I in Silicon Valley to see the difference between what people are developing. Are there

better products being made by non-coders in Silicon Valley? Is that why he is claiming that this is the case? For me,

I do not know if what he's saying is true. However, if it is, it means it's a

true. However, if it is, it means it's a huge opportunity for everybody out there because how many people are coders in the world?

>> No, you have a lot of people who will come in and make their product.

>> I can almost tell you and guarantee you everyone in the world has ideas.

>> Yes.

>> But a very tiny percentage of the world's population can execute the ideas with code. We discussed this with Pratt

with code. We discussed this with Pratt the other day and I said the reason why I'm excited when I'm using tools like Codeex and Cloud Code and why I feel

liberated and feel enthusiastic is because I had thousands of ideas running through my head all the while that we've had bad decisions. But all of

them went down the drain because I'm not a software developer nor do I have someone that can code for me. And so the ideas just went out. But now with code,

I'm allowed to and capable of taking my ideas and bringing them into a reality.

Whether it's to solve a problem for myself, for us at bad decisions, or for the viewers and the audience. And we've

seen that happen. All three of us, we've mentioned this before, have been coding and creating applications for our own personal use cases. We've been

increasing the speed at which we create content. The productivity has increased

content. The productivity has increased drastically and there are specific applications that we made to help us within the company.

This was never possible before.

>> No, that's why I think a lot of people can benefit from this. Yes. And you

don't have to design a product to sell.

As an entrepreneur, you can use this tool to increase the productivity. You

can use it within your team yourself.

You don't have to go and make a software to sell. But imagine if you are 10 times

to sell. But imagine if you are 10 times faster, you can attend more clients. You

can get hired with better and higher paying client. So it's not about just

paying client. So it's not about just making a software and sell it, but you can use all these tools in order for yourself to be more efficient. There's

also one more thing. So talking about the fact that not having a coding experience is actually helpful, I kind of find the idea fascinating.

What he's saying is that coders will be so involved with the detail of the code that they may underestimate the user friendliness and the user

interface. They may very well be

interface. They may very well be ignorant towards the marketing aspect of it. And we know more than anybody else

it. And we know more than anybody else that whenever you make a product, the product is only 50%. Some may say even less. The rest is marketing. If no one

less. The rest is marketing. If no one buys your product, your product is worth nothing.

>> Yeah.

>> If the goal of the product was profit, if the goal of the product was art and self-expression, then it's fine. But in

this case, the goal of the product is to serve and cater an audience. And the

bigger the audience, the better.

>> But you know, the contradicting comments are that when someone doesn't have a coding background, they do not consider the security risk. of course

>> the security issues or the uh compatibility issues or like for example if 100 people come to your site the side will go down >> which I believe will be solved eventually with intelligence with

artificial intelligence I know what he's saying is not specifically just true in 2026 March what he's saying is that we're going to see more and more

non-coders code better applications than coders not because they are more skilled at coding they're clearly not But because they may come from a creative background with a marketing background

and have so much attention on the details of the look of it and the marketing of it and the user experience and when the artificial intelligence models are so innately powerful and

making the applications and having security layers added at that point then of course clearly the one with the marketing background will have a bigger

advantage. So I saw another funny

advantage. So I saw another funny comment. Yeah. Someone said this is like

comment. Yeah. Someone said this is like saying not having cooking experience is becoming an advantage. McDonald's.

So imagine because of course he owns a website that they will you can go and use AI to code. It's like Macdonald come saying not knowing how to cook is becoming an advantage. So then you will

go to Macdonald and buy. He definitely

does have a bias towards this topic mainly because he owns Replet and with Replet you can >> yes >> vibe code applications but he's not far

like super far from the truth.

>> I'm guaranteeing this. There are going to be non-coders who are going to make amazing applications. But you know which

amazing applications. But you know which team is actually going to ultimately win? A non-coder joining a coder and

win? A non-coder joining a coder and making an application. For me, if you're looking at the ultimate solution is when we team up together. Maybe we don't need 500 people anymore. You need a team of

five. No, five people.

five. No, five people.

>> One or two creatives, one or two coders using AI on both sides. The creatives

using the 3D asset generation tools to help them. The coders using codeex and

help them. The coders using codeex and cloud to help them. For me, these guys are going to be the ultimate winners. If

you know how to use all of the AI tools, you're clearly going to be better than the people who don't. That's what I think is going to be the real skill. But

I also do believe having fundamentals is helpful. So this is where I'm going

helpful. So this is where I'm going against what he said. I do believe if someone has the fundamentals in coding and is willing to also learn fundamentals in marketing, fundamentals in a creative way, then you're the

winner. And there are people like that.

winner. And there are people like that.

This is the thing that I believe we have at bad decisions. I'm never afraid to learn something new. If you ask me to go and learn coding because that's what I need to do next, I will freaking do it.

For me, I believe the superior man or woman is the person who's going to be be like, "You know what? Right now, if AI can take a huge chunk of my coding task, and I know a little bit of coding, now

I'm going to go learn a little bit more about what makes a great ad for my software so I can sell it to more people." You need to learn every aspect

people." You need to learn every aspect of the business if you want to be the best at it. One reason why Elon Musk is Elon Musk is because he knows almost every aspect of his businesses. Y he's

deeply involved in the engineering and in the creative side, the marketing side and so on and so forth, which allows him to be super knowledgeable about

everything that he works on. That's my

life motto. I want to be able to learn as

motto. I want to be able to learn as much as possible. Just because I have AI on my side doesn't mean I'm going to stop learning.

>> It's okay. I will copy your brain and then I'll use whatever you have learned.

>> Control V. I'm not gonna give you the copyright. There's gonna be a copyright

copyright. There's gonna be a copyright on my freaking brain and you are not gonna be able to take it.

>> Although you're my brother. You probably

will. You probably will.

>> All right, Faros, we covered all the topics. It was a heavy today.

topics. It was a heavy today.

>> Yeah, it was. It was. And I'm very excited every time we talk about a new technology.

The reason why I love this show is because we've been seeing all of these moments online, but we never had the platform to speak about them and now we do and we get to hear your thoughts and

this is why I love it. So, I do want to say thank you once again to every single one of you guys who've come in and joined us because without you, the show wouldn't be possible. Farad,

>> if you're watching it from YouTube, Spotify, and X, what I wanted to say about this? Wait.

Oh my god, my brain froze again. That's

why we need super intelligence for Fat Hut. Like I said, we need to study his

Hut. Like I said, we need to study his brain, find out what's wrong with it, and make it better. I'm going to end.

>> I just want to say, okay. Yes. I want

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