Shocking LEAK Of Witkoff Call w/ Russia

some serious drama going on with the Ukraine uh Russia negotiations. >> That's right. >> The So sort of have a deal, not exactly have a deal. Uh there's some some dispute over

that. Uh but it appears like somebody's trying to sabotage it >> um by leaking um phone calls of Russian Russia's foreign minister. Uh the implication from Russians and I think from anybody who's

that. Uh but it appears like somebody's trying to sabotage it >> um by leaking um phone calls of Russian Russia's foreign minister. Uh the implication from Russians and I think from anybody who's

kind of following it objectively is that either the Ukrainians or the you know two two groups here would be tapping the Russian foreign minister's phone Ukraine

or be the United States or the Europeans actually. So there's potentially three groups actually. The assumption is that Ukraine is doing this and leaking it. Uh but I think it's just as possible that

some European, you know, intel intel agency is doing this. Um >> uh yeah, if you want >> or or the US, I mean, this is Glenn already made the comparison, but it's not entirely uh out of the realm of

possibility given what happened to Michael Flynn uh during the Trump 1.0 transition with Sergey Lavrov when that entire situation popped. So I don't think it's out of the question that

>> there could be some element within the US that that wants to undermine Wikov and yeah that I mean that's also possible. A lot of a lot of fingerprints could be on this knife. That's yeah

that's that's for sure. >> Uh and and not to say that Russia doesn't do this as well. you know, they famously I mean, we presume it was them um that that got this like incredible

audio of Victoria Nuland >> um during the 2014 >> you made on coup uh where >> uh she's basically says like f the EU >> uh you know we're we're putting our guy in like it was one really kind of blunt

talk where you're like whoa this >> live >> this is the gloves off US approach behind the scenes this this is what you hear about but you never actually hear directly. Uh so

everybody's tapping everybody here. So what um what the Russian foreign minister and Witco are talking about it's it happens right before uh Zalinski is coming to the White House and Whit is

like look I really think it'd be a good idea if your boss Putin called Trump before this meeting and the guy's like oh before really it's like yes you should do this before and at that

meeting Trump was prepared to greenlight a bunch of tomahawks and because Trump was getting increasingly frustrated with Putin and like why won't this guy just do a peace deal? You know what? Screw

it. I'm just going to give Zilinsky whatever he wants and see how that goes. So Wickoff seems to be trying to stave that off and say, "No, no, no. Have your guy call and stop with the details."

He's like, "You and I understand what the details are going to be." He says, "Donets, uh, you know, some type of agreement around, you know, some type of security agreement,

but don't get into the details. just talk in hopeful terms and call Trump a man of peace >> and say that we all want peace. >> And the guy's like, "Okay, man of peace.

We'll do man of peace. I I'll have I'll have Putin call him." So Putin calls and they do a 2 and 1 half hour call before this Zalinski meeting. And then Trump goes into the Zilinski meeting. He's

like, "I talked to Putin. He said, you know, set him a man of peace. Um he said he want I think he really wants peace. So we're going to hold off on these long range missiles." Um, and and you know,

in the Yeah. And this here's the transcript. Should we do the Russian accent and do a do a dramatic reading of it? >> I think you should definitely do that. >> How's your How's your uh How's your

Lavrov? No, no, it's not Lavrov. What's his name? Lavrov is the other guy. >> There's so many of them. >> Yuri or Yorov? What's it meant? Um, >> yeah, the the whole the whole thing is

Lavrov? No, no, it's not Lavrov. What's his name? Lavrov is the other guy. >> There's so many of them. >> Yuri or Yorov? What's it meant? Um, >> yeah, the the whole the whole thing is

worth reading. I would I would go and I would go and check it out. Um and then out of that Witoff gets a lot more room to negotiate, >> right? >> Um and he says basically um he's he's

worth reading. I would I would go and I would go and check it out. Um and then out of that Witoff gets a lot more room to negotiate, >> right? >> Um and he says basically um he's he's

having Putin kind of do Whit his his own work for him. He's like tell you know tell tell Putin to tell Trump that you want Steve to be able to cook. Let Steve cook. It's like >> let Steve

>> It's kind of a >> How do you say that in Russian? He says, "Think about how Steve Cooked and Gaza with that 18-point plan or the 21point plan." He's like, "Let's do a similar

thing um between you guys. Don't He's like, "But don't talk about the points, what the points are, just just that it's a pointed thing." >> Mhm. >> Um and you know, Steve Steve Wickoff knows his man.

>> Like he he knows everybody thinks they know Trump because Trump is just he is who he is, but Wickoff really knows Trump. >> Yep. Yeah, I think that's right. And what it it did it does seem to have

worked. So So then what? So we got a 24-point plan uh that included that was very friendly to So it's funny how this go. So they're like the Russians are skeptical. They're like, "Well, wait a

worked. So So then what? So we got a 24-point plan uh that included that was very friendly to So it's funny how this go. So they're like the Russians are skeptical. They're like, "Well, wait a

minute. If we propose doing a point plan and then if we put the plan together, they're going to say they're going to then just kind of change it and then accept it and say we have a deal." Like

minute. If we propose doing a point plan and then if we put the plan together, they're going to say they're going to then just kind of change it and then accept it and say we have a deal." Like

that's what the Russians are worried about because they were watching uh the extremely bad faith negotiations go on in Gaza >> uh where you know Hamas would like get a 18point

plan, they'd accept it all except for like one tweak and then then they would say oh now uh this is a Hamas plan and um yeah and Hamas won't even accept it. Like the whole thing it was just

completely incoherent start to finish. like Wickoff would present a plan and then Wickoff himself would reject it after Hamas would accept it. >> Um or they would or they would claim

that somebody accepts some it was it was just bad faith all around. And so I think the Russians were nervous about getting caught in that. So they say, "Well, let's do this informally. Uh this

is not our plan." But clearly it was like so they put together the points. Um the US tweaked them. was very friendly to Russia, included giving up territory in the east, uh that they

don't even occupy yet, and included, you know, not not allow, you know, not allowing, um, you know, European forces in Ukraine, not allowing NATO, etc. And then sounds like from the reporting that

Rubio and others got involved and took out a lot of those provisions. Now it's down to like an 18-point plan. >> And so now, but now it looks like they might reject it. Well, I was think you're actually the perfect person given Drop Sight's very detailed reporting on the Tik Tok back and forth with the Gaza peace plan, which was also heavily being

negotiated by Steve Wickoff, of course, and then Rubio would sort of dip in, Trump would sort of dip in and I think we're seeing a European struggle over that process to be honest because of

course if you're I mean this is the thing with the neocons absolutely losing their mind over the transcript of the call. Especially some of them like I'm thinking Republican congressmen who are

losing their minds over the transcript of the call. It's like you are licking Trump's boots and Steve Wickoff does exactly what Trump does and you lose your minds because it's coming from

Steve Wickoff and not Donald Trump himself. When Donald Trump does it, you'll say, "Oh, he's a great leader." But when Steve Wickoff does it, he is, you know, verging on traitorous and is

a, you know, a Kremlin uh stoogge. But I actually think if you don't include, for example, as you mentioned, Ryan, that plan that looked very friendly to Russia

because it had territory that hasn't yet actually been um occupied by Russia. >> This is I'm curious if there are parallels in the Gaza plan because that's how a negotiation goes. you put forward a

proposal where there are things that you know you're going to take out um as the negotiation is going back and forth. And so to me, it's not necessarily surprising or or reflective of anyone

trying to do Putin's bidding so much as it is. There are leaks of a peace process that is absolutely messy and people are either uh taking this private information that's becoming public and

treating it like uh the the final word when it's just a little snippet from this broader process or they have bad intentions anyway and trying to sabotage anything that Donald Trump might do for

peace because it would end up giving up parts of Donbos which they want Ukraine to fight for every last Ukrainian and man to keep. >> And I understand why people are upset at

Witco because if you think that giving Ukraine tomahawks and permission to fire much deeper into Russia was going to give them leverage that was going to then lead to a better deal for Ukraine,

then from that perspective, Wickoff has undermined Ukraine in the negotiations and deprived them of that leverage. M >> but if you're somebody like Wickoff who doesn't who who thinks that it's feudal

that no matter how many tomahawks you give to Ukraine, no matter how many they strike in Russia, the math is just not going to work out in Ukraine's favor, >> right?

>> Uh then you're actually you're actually helping Ukraine get out of this faster than they would otherwise. So I so I get why people are like this is this is Wikoff undermining Ukraine and helping

Putin. But I think from Wickoff's perspective he thinks no Ukraine is diluted right now and they they might they might think that this is better for them. >> Uh but but in fact you know they're you

Putin. But I think from Wickoff's perspective he thinks no Ukraine is diluted right now and they they might they might think that this is better for them. >> Uh but but in fact you know they're you

know they're they're now up to recruiting whatif you well over 50 years old. like they're they're running out of bodies to throw into the meat grinder. >> And so all the missiles in the world

uh, you know, aren't going to give you the kind of leverage that you're going to need to get to get what you say you want out of this. So let's let's move this let's move this forward. And I think

if you're going to defend Wickoff, you'd say, you know, he would do this kind of thing, you know, with when it came to, you know, Israel and Hamas as well. you know, he would he would give advice to

the mediators. Uh he never ended up meeting um directly with Hamas. They were they were about to and it blew up for uh various reasons, but his his deputy did and I'm they would say like

the mediators. Uh he never ended up meeting um directly with Hamas. They were they were about to and it blew up for uh various reasons, but his his deputy did and I'm they would say like

here's how here's if you want this like here is the way to frame this >> right >> to get it there. And so Trump was asked about this on Air Force One. And he he said, "I haven't listened to the recording or I haven't seen the transcript, but it sounds to me like normal diplomacy, >> right? >> Like this is this is what a mediator does, negotiator does. It you you tell

someone this is the thing you want. Here's how you frame it to this party." It's a little awkward for Trump that like somebody's, you know, telling somebody else how to talk to him,

>> right? Like it's a little weird um and awkward to have that out in public, but it's not it's not terribly unusual, I think. >> No, I don't think so either. I mean, it

>> right? Like it's a little weird um and awkward to have that out in public, but it's not it's not terribly unusual, I think. >> No, I don't think so either. I mean, it

it's unusual. I mean, remember when Majidv uh and Obama had that moment where Obama said he'll have more flexibility after the election? So, this would have been like 2011 or 2012. Um

it's unusual. I mean, remember when Majidv uh and Obama had that moment where Obama said he'll have more flexibility after the election? So, this would have been like 2011 or 2012. Um

people lost their minds. People on the right lost their minds. I was too young to really lose my mind. I was still in college. So you can't go back and find clips. Uh but uh you know to some extent maybe that's different because he was promising some I don't know but to some extent when these conversations I mean they have to have personal relationships and Trump is more I don't mean this in a

literal sense like he's more of a realist personally when it comes to those relationships as opposed to and I actually find that kind of refreshing like he does it with Xiinping he does it

with Kim Jong-un like he does it with everyone where he just lavishes them in praise and does it in order to butter people up to make deals that they might not otherwise make. Now, whether that's

that works or successful, different question, but Donald Trump is the president right now, so there's no nothing surprising whatsoever about Steve Wickoff uh handling business this

way when he's on the phone with the Russians. >> Yeah. No, I think that's right. Um so, there had been a Thanksgiving deadline um that Trump gave to Zilinsky that appears to have been

>> uh lifted like given giving him a little more time. Um, Zilinski has said we have to choose between losing our dignity or losing our ally. Um, but so that's kind of where we stand.

>> That's a maybe not the right bar for the dignity of Ukraine, which has been proven, by the way, in spades over the last couple of years as uh ordinary Ukrainians have sacrificed so much uh to

keep their country. Uh so I don't think it's appropriate. I would be insulted if I were a Ukrainian and and Zilinsky was chalking up their dignity to keeping all of the the DOM boss or some significant portion of it. So, >> hey, if you like that video, hit the like button or leave a comment below. It really helps get the show to more people.

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