Silicon Valley’s Top Investors Bet on This 22-Year-Old Founder | Sola, Jessica Wu
By EO
Summary
## Key takeaways - **Stop overbuilding, start selling**: Y Combinator advises founders to prioritize selling, even with a minimal or non-existent product, to validate market demand before extensive development. [10:08], [10:37] - **Finance builds objective decision-making**: Working in finance, particularly trading, teaches valuable skills in objectivity and calculating odds, which are crucial for rational decision-making in the emotional startup environment. [04:38], [05:05] - **Resilience from competitive pursuits**: Engaging in competitive activities from a young age cultivates discipline, risk-taking, and resilience, essential traits for navigating the challenges of entrepreneurship. [01:53], [02:06] - **Customer delight drives growth**: Prioritizing customer happiness and delivering exceptional experiences, even by working on holidays, is key to building trust and fostering word-of-mouth growth for enterprise software. [12:15], [13:54] - **MIT fosters learning from peers**: MIT's environment, where one is often the 'dumbest person in the room,' encourages continuous learning and exposure to cutting-edge research and innovation. [02:23], [03:17] - **Automating tedious work frees up people**: Sola automates manual and tedious workflows, allowing businesses to focus on more fulfilling, creative, and strategic aspects of their work. [16:38], [16:52]
Topics Covered
- Why does owning a startup make you happier?
- How finance skills equip founders for rational decisions.
- Should you sell a product that doesn't exist?
- How customer delight wins enterprise trust.
- How founders navigate the startup emotional rollercoaster.
Full Transcript
I was actually the youngest quant
researcher at a pretty big hedge fund
today and so had started my career in
finance but had seen a lot of different
areas very thesis driven to just pure
numbers and numbers crunching. You know
when I was working in corporate finance
I would work uh I don't know 9 10 hours
a day and uh 5 days a week and then if I
was called in on a weekend I would
honestly be very miserable. It just felt
like it it wasn't my own thing. Now I
work well every waking second uh and 7
days a week, but I've never been
happier. And I think I think I'm young,
so that's one piece that gives me a
little bit more optionality. When it
comes to what you want to do, though,
this sounds very simple, but it's really
just what feels right. The team feels
that way, too. It's really like when you
own a piece of something and you're
you're really growing it from ground up,
it's easy to feel excited. And so my
advice for like stable career versus
startup is if you have the optionality
to I think you know whatever makes you
feel happy, whatever makes you feel like
you're excited to go to work every
single day and that you feel very
fulfilled in what you're doing. Hi, I'm
Jessica, co-founder and CEO of Sol. Sol
is an agentic process automation
platform. We help businesses automate
their most critical and operational
workflows using AI in a much easier and
faster way than traditional RPA. Solus
started out of YC about 2 years ago.
Since then, we have raised a seed round
led by Sarah at Conviction. Most
recently, we raised a series A led by
A16Z following an enormous amount of
traction from our enterprise customers.
We have 5xed our revenue this year.
Execution volume on the platform is
doubling month over month since the
beginning of this year. And we're proud
to partner with some of the largest
companies in the world, including the
Fortune 100, Amlaw 100, and some of the
largest private businesses in logistics
and healthcare.
Uh, I grew up doing a lot of very
competitive things. Played competitive
piano and I did competitive math and
things like that. I think that gives you
a pretty hard will. It probably makes
you very disciplined. I think I'm good
at taking risks and putting myself out
in places that I don't feel comfortable.
And I think that builds up a lot of
resilience. Like doing something even if
you don't feel like you're 100% ready. I
do that a lot. And just jumping into
things and really going for it. I think
that builds up a lot of character.
When I was in high school, I had visited
MIT a couple of times. I think it does a
great job of the whole, you know, you're
the dumbest person in the room kind of
thing. It's always the most fun when
you're surrounded by a lot of people you
can learn from. I think MIT is a very
unique place. It's the only place where
it's really exactly as it portrayed in
the movies. You have people building
roller coasters in the front lawn and
you have people training models in the
dorm basement and things like that and
it's every bit as real as as it's
described. I think that MIT really puts
a ceiling on how technically difficult
things get. I've been working on this
company for about two years now and have
experienced a lot of different things
since college, but never have I had to
use like so many brain cells to just
think about a really hard problem. I
think the most important thing you
should do is jump into everything as
quickly as you can. And MIT does a great
job of showing you exactly what's on the
forefront of what you should be paying
attention to. You should absolutely go
learn about all the new things that
people are doing research about. You
should absolutely spend as much time as
you can with people that are doing said
research. And I think that if you create
a habit around trying to learn as much
as you can and intake as much what's on
the frontier as possible, then you're
better equipped, especially now to to
learn and to work in an environment like
today where things change so rapidly and
there's so many things happening in the
tech world. I think the thing that you
get from just a very technical
background is you can break things down
very easily. If you can communicate what
you're trying to solve in a very simple
way, it makes it a lot easier to solve
and that just gives you a really good
framework around solving things,
especially in a landscape like today
where new model basically comes out
every single week and things are
constantly changing. I think there's a
lot of value in always centering back to
like what are you trying to solve for
your customer or for your user, whoever
that is, and then just building on top
of that. And I think once you look and
sort of narrow things down to the root
problem, not just the problem that
people are saying, then you can deliver
an enormous amount of value to the
people that are interfacing with what
you're doing.
Before I worked on Solola as a startup,
I had no idea that I wanted to do a
startup. I had tried a lot of different
things. I had worked in venture. I had
worked at a couple hedge funds. I was
actually the youngest quant researcher
at a pretty big hedge fund today.
Finance was an interesting choice. I had
an adviser who recommended to me that
it's actually pretty good to spend some
time in finance because it teaches you a
way of thinking that's pretty special,
especially if you're doing trading.
Teaches you to be very objective, that
you should always calculate odds for
things. I think I am someone who's
guilty of not thinking in a very
numerical or like standardized way all
the time. And so I think working in
finance for a couple years gave me a lot
of perspective on being objective, being
able to calculate and just think through
things in a very rational way. And
that's something that stuck with me.
Doing a startup can be very emotional
and I think always going back to first
principles thinking and trying to think
in a more like statistical way can be
pretty helpful in terms of making
decisions even like in a startup lens.
Maybe you're looking at a super huge
deployment and that's something you have
to really weigh or someone is really
looking at features like all of those
things can be mapped out in a way that's
more rational. You can say, you know,
what are the odds that this particular,
you know, this isn't perfect math. This
particular customer converts by this
particular day. What are the things that
I'm trading off? And it gives you a very
statistical framework to think about
these decisions without just I really
like this customer, so I want to work
with them. People tell you that you can
learn a lot from playing poker and that
applies a lot to the startup world. I
think that's true. A lot of it is just
odds, being rational, and then, you
know, making decisions in the best
direction. And it's actually very useful
when you work on a startup.
At one of the hedge funds we worked at,
they had a lot of manual work around
interacting with this really old
brokerage software that they built on
top of. At the time, I had been using
RPA tools to try to automate that. I
didn't really know how big the space of
RPA was. So, RPA stands for robotic
process automation. RPA tools basically
automate manual work by replicating
workflows the way humans do. So moving
the mouse, typing things in, clicking,
and interfacing with browser and desktop
applications the way humans do. What I
did know was that there is a lot of
manual work at these larger companies.
There's no good tools out there that are
really easy to use. And even though I
have a computer science background, it
was still really hard for me to just
build a simple browser or desktop
automation. That was sort of where the
the seat of the problem happened. My
co-founder actually had a really similar
experience. He was building out hospital
systems at MGH. they had used some very
old tooling and he was also surprised by
how brittle it was and how hard it was
to implement. I think those were really
good glimpses for us into what real
world work looks like. Um, when you're
at MIT, you live in a very tech-forward
world and you're surrounded by tools
that are very easy to use, that
everything has APIs that plug into each
other, you can build automations very
easily. But in the real world, when
you're looking at most companies out
there, they're doing really manual work.
People operate across a ton of different
systems that don't connect. As you can
imagine, people doing operations will
touch spreadsheets, internal portals,
external systems, they will touch files,
and just about everything in between.
Those were two really lucky glimpses I
think that we had into what that
actually looked like. From there, when
we went through YC, like I mentioned, we
kind of came in without too much of an
idea. We spent about the first month or
so just figuring out what we wanted to
build. I think the RPA space was very
exciting to us because we understood
very well what that problem looked like
and how we wanted to solve it. Obviously
RPA is very big and I think that piece
is exciting to us. The ambition of
automating all digital work is a
perennial and obvious one and I think
the aspects of like being able to marry
AI in the real world for enterprise
companies and all the technical and
model improvements on the flip side of
things was a very exciting sort of
combination for us.
Solo's MVP was very simple. We had a
recorder just like today. That part's
the same that lets you take a recording
of your workflow. You could upload it,
but uh different from today. Didn't
really do a great job of laying out what
your workflow did. You could also run it
and it would just run on your own
computer and repeat back the same steps.
Not quite as intelligent or easy to use
as we had hoped. And since then, we've
kept a lot of things the same. So, you
know, you can still record a workflow,
you can still upload it to the platform,
but now you can run it hundreds of VMs
at scale. You can edit it and change
things in very fine granularity. You can
add logic. You can add information on
top. And you have a lot of optionality
on how you want to orchestrate and run
these things at scale. One thing we had
probably underestimated was just there
were a lot of trade-offs that we had to
make. But it it is a big question of,
you know, existing tools offer
everything under the sun and they've
been building this tool for 20 years.
Like how do you actually get up to
speed? One thing that we found to be a
pretty big balancing act is just getting
to the point where we can be helpful for
customers but also, you know, being able
to do so in a pretty timely fashion.
There are a couple hard moments that I
can think of in the early days where we
had to give up really exciting early
revenue. It was just a point where we
had to really focus on building this
core product, but we had to turn down
customers the very beginning. Turn down
people when we were, you know, almost
there, but not quite. And that was that
was very difficult. I think in the early
months you get pulled in a lot of
different directions. There were some
hard conversations where we had to say
no to some huge names that we were very
excited about. It didn't feel aligned
with the direction that we wanted to go
down. We were capacity constrained and
it would mean giving up or sacrificing
too many other things and other areas of
the business.
I'm pretty big on advisors. I'm someone
that asks for a lot of advice. I like to
surround myself with people that I think
have a lot more experience. So, whenever
I get panicked or I'm under pressure,
the first thing I'll do is just go to my
all of my resources and get people's
takes on things. I think usually that
puts me in a pretty good place. We chose
YC because we had heard really good
things about it and that was also the
advice that we got early on, which is
that you're going to be surrounded by a
lot of really amazing people and you're
going to have 3 months to lock in. YC
tells you to try and they really push
you to try and sell something. This
means that even if you don't have a
working product, you can put up like a,
you know, use lovable or something to
put up a fake fake front end and then
you should try and go sell it. And the
good thing about that is a lot of the
times when you build something, I don't
know if this applies as much to solo,
but in general when you build something,
you don't know if you're going down the
right direction. Most clear way you know
you're building something that people
want is if they'll pay for it, right?
And if they'll keep paying for it. YC
does a good job in really pushing you to
sell even if you may not be there. You
know, don't spend 6 months to build a
product. First try and sell something.
See if it works. You might burn a couple
bridges doing that, which is why I'm
saying your mileage may vary, but at
least you have very clear picture of I
know this person would pay for this. I
know a lot of people would pay for this
and they would depend on it a lot or I'm
solving some really meaningful problem.
First cell is not good when you get a
little bigger like you know don't sell a
fake feature. It still is a pretty good
mindset to operate behind which is even
once you're working on the right product
there's a lot of directions you should
go try and experiment build different
mockups of things try and talk to
customers get something out there and
then go from there and iterate and
polish it afterwards I think we met our
first customer actually very early on it
was around YC we were in the phase of
doing the thing where we sold the
product that didn't really exist the
good thing was we were pretty honest
with them and we told them this thing
doesn't exist but it will exist in a
couple months and they were like okay
well come talk to us when it does I
think it's really hard advice. It's very
unintuitive. You know, you're taught
your whole life to finish something and
then go sell it or then go present it or
whatever it is. And this is almost the
entire opposite. It's like put up the
most minimal fake version you probably
can of something and then go sell it and
then if it's good then go back and build
it. I think it's not for the faint of
heart for sure. And sometimes, you know,
maybe you really succeeded and you
actually sold the thing and now you have
to deliver. And YC's advice there is
probably like spend a week in the
basement coding so that you can get it
out. It's not easy advice to take and
selling without actually having the
thing is not very intuitive, but I think
it it at least puts you on the right
direction. It gives you a very clear yes
or no for if this is something you
should be doing at all.
One of my favorite books is called
Delivering Happiness. It's quite good.
It's about like sort of how the little
things matter and how customer delight
is kind of a north north star, but it
doesn't just come in one form factor of
like I I did this thing on time. There's
a million other ways you can build that
up. If your customers are happy, most
other things fall in place is something
that we've tend to found. You know,
especially when you're building very
critical software for a company, you're
asking a company that's been around for
decades or maybe even centuries to trust
you to do their most critical
operations. That is by no means easy. To
this day, uh most of Sol's customers
come through word of mouth. And that's
because existing customers have felt so
happy with the experience. You're small,
you're early, so what can you do to make
up for being a much newer tool? And
that's usually one build a really great
experience and really solve their
problems. That's the obvious one. Second
is to ship fast and really take in good
feedback. This goes both ways. So you
know you want to pick customers that
will give you good feedback and you also
want your customers or you also will
want to take in the feedback that they
give you and move very quickly on what
they're asking. There's a lot of ways
that are more traditional than just
building good tools where you can win
enterprise companies over. You can be
very supportive. You can listen to
people. Listening is the most important
thing you can do for customers. For some
of our early design partners, we still
do. We hop on a weekly call with them.
We basically take in their feedback week
over week and then we try to deliver at
a pretty fast rate. And that's the sort
of thing that will make people pick the
startup over the really old legacy
incumbent. Aside from just the tool
being better,
one of our largest customers wanted to
do a deployment of Sol last year. They
wanted to do it during the most quiet
period of the year, which was on
Christmas day because they don't get a
ton of volume then. I hope that we don't
have to ask this of the team again. We
all came in, we worked that week. They
had been using Solo for a long time and
they had been championing it internally
and were very excited. We were like,
"Okay, if the deployment is going to
happen on Christmas, like we're going to
do it." There have been moments like
that. I think in general, we try to
really go above and beyond. People are
trusting us to run their operations. So,
they'll use sola to send their invoices
and do their accounts payable or they'll
use it to actually send out shipments or
they will enter in patient data. So all
these things are very critical like uh
one thing that we realized when we built
solar is like we can never go down. That
actually means that a real business out
there who has hundreds or thousands of
employees like their their billing is
going to be late that day. We've done a
lot to basically maintain that. It's one
of those things where it's a little bit
different from like a consumer tool or
something that's AI that's generating
copy or you know finding sales leads
like these things. If your tool goes
down it's a big deal and it disrupts
people's work but it's not the end of
the world. the nature of our business
when we go down is sort of the end of
the world. So, we've done a lot for our
customers. We stay up and running all
the time. We've spent a million weekends
and a million different holidays in the
office. But, I think along the way, it's
it's been good. Like, there's a little
bit of, you know, we're extremely
thankful to the people who trusted us to
take care of these workflows and made
the bet on an early new startup. And
hopefully, we can continue to deliver on
everything that we've promised.
I think building a startup is really
really unimaginably difficult. You're on
a roller coaster and you're constantly
experiencing very high highs and very
low lows and then it's also compressed
and so it's happening, you know, morning
might be your best day ever and then 2
hours later you're suffering from
probably the worst news you've ever
heard. And this happens uh pretty much
every day. um maybe every week, maybe
not like an exact moment, but I think as
a founder, you really just learn to you
learn that things sort of return to the
norm. You have this comfort in your head
that things will be okay even if they
don't feel okay because they always end
up being okay provided that you are
building in the right market and also
that you have the right people around
you. And with those two things, you
might have some huge incident happens.
Really bad news like someone leaves the
team. Maybe a customer is your champion
who you were selling to left and in the
middle of the sales process. Like these
things feel really bad. And then once
you get a little bit more used to them
and they've been happening so often, you
learn to take a step back and you're
kind of able to process a lot more of
the things happening at a startup um
than before. And I think the early team
also kind of learns that as well and be
able to look at the big picture and that
tends to be much more helpful in terms
of just mental piece when you're doing
this.
What we're trying to build is a really
big mission. So there will be no problem
of us having 10 years to spend on it. I
think it's an enormous problem space.
The other is that I I really do believe
in what Solola is trying to accomplish.
Um, I think that there's a lot of work
that people shouldn't have to do that's
very manual and very tedious. And if we
can free people up, they can do things
that are very fulfilling and creative
and very interesting. And I hope that,
you know, businesses can start running
on sola and relying on sola to do the
things that are manual and wrote and
that people don't really want to do and
instead spend time on things that are
exciting and think through leadership
and strategy and decision-m and all the
more interesting parts of work.
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