Smooth Operator: Behind the Camera on Are You My First?

I actually think it is a strength to be a female in this case and even directors I think they sense it and that's why they sometimes send us for certain

things. Um especially with like if women

things. Um especially with like if women want to have like a vulnerable talk I think sometimes they feel more comfortable with a female around them

and listening to them.

Hey everybody, welcome to the Unscripted Files. My name is Maline Cunningham. I

Files. My name is Maline Cunningham. I

am a development producer in the unscripted industry, bringing you candid conversations with the minds behind your favorite form of entertainment. Today's

guest has been behind the lens on shows like Are You the One for ABC, which is the Virgin Dating Show, which we get really, really into, Top Chef Mexico, The Bachelor of Germany, and many, many

more. It was really cool to talk to her

more. It was really cool to talk to her about her process, the important mentors she's had in her life over her career.

Uh, and just and great to just dive in.

Um, I love seeing women behind the camera and love chatting with them. So,

this was really a cool cool conversation with Jessica Artate. I hope you enjoy.

Jessica Arzate, welcome to the podcast.

How you doing?

>> I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.

>> Absolutely. So excited to have you.

You're on your first cup of coffee over on the West Coast. I'm on my like afternoon coffee over here. What's your

uh Do you have a morning routine or anything?

>> Yeah, I honestly usually wake up early and go take a walk. Uh I live really close to Griffith Park.

>> Okay, got it. So you're up early bird gets the worm. I like that. I cannot

relate, but I aspire I like my whole life has been like be a morning person.

So maybe I'll get there someday.

>> Yeah.

>> I'm super excited to chat with you. So I

found you because I was looking through credits of Are You My First? Which is

the uh Virgin Dating Show now out on ABC. And I saw that you're a camera op

ABC. And I saw that you're a camera op there. And then you've also worked on

there. And then you've also worked on some other really cool reality shows in international formats. Top Chef Mexico,

international formats. Top Chef Mexico, The German Bachelor, referred to as Dur Bachelor, right? And then Real

Bachelor, right? And then Real Housewives Melbourne, as well as a ton of other credits. Um, and I just, you know, frankly, I love seeing women on the camera. Like, it makes me so happy.

the camera. Like, it makes me so happy.

So, I'm super super stoked to chat with you. Uh, what what first drew you to

you. Uh, what what first drew you to cameras? Like, what was the spark for

cameras? Like, what was the spark for you? I think initially I wanted to like

you? I think initially I wanted to like work in film. I didn't know exactly like there was a camera department like I assume but didn't really know. Uh then

through like a cinematographer mentor I encounter he kind of like explained that part of the job and I was just like wow I want to do that that sounds like the most fun. So I think it was just like

fun. So I think it was just like curiosity.

>> I love that. I mean having mentors is so important. There's I you know is has

important. There's I you know is has there been a lot of those as you've grown in your career? People who you've looked up to who have sort of given you

a hand up and and helped you navigate your career? Yeah, honestly saying I've

your career? Yeah, honestly saying I've been lucky to Yes. encounter people who are very generous. I think especially honestly cinematography department,

camera department. Uh it's something

camera department. Uh it's something that passes on like there's no true secrets. You just have to like practice

secrets. You just have to like practice and do. So uh yeah, being lucky to have

and do. So uh yeah, being lucky to have both male and female mentors along the career.

>> Oh, that's wonderful. Can you share a bit about you're formerly trained in this, right? Right. So, can you talk to

this, right? Right. So, can you talk to me a bit about your training, your education, like formal and sort of like informal hands-on, and how that foundation continues to influence your

work now?

>> Yeah. Uh, so right out of high school, I took like a leap here. I went traveling and then I ended up >> should do that. Oh my gosh.

>> Yeah, I recommend it. It was good. And

then I ended up in Madrid taking learning how to shoot on 16 mm film. It

wasn't like formal cinematography training, but like they teach you how to load and expose the film. And then I went back to Mexico and I like I met

again with one of my previous mentors and he took me on to like a project as a camera assistant. Um, and he was the VP

camera assistant. Um, and he was the VP for Top Shift Mexico. So, he brought me on >> to that show. Um, and then like I would

say for like five, six years I like I went from acing to come up like not really having a formal train just like

being on set. And in 2022 I did um the AFI cinematography program

here in LA. Um, and that's yeah I really like that master's program and that's why I'm here in LA. like I stayed after AFI.

>> Oh, amazing. And so, Top Chef Mexico, I mean, what a way to to have an entry into this particular industry. I mean,

that's a high like fastpaced uh competition show, a lot of cameras, a lot of angles, a lot of choreography.

What do you feel like was your biggest takeaway after you had that experience?

I think because I was kind of like new into like the whole set world. Uh I just assumed like oh you just got to be

really fast and you just got to do uh I was an AC actually I kind of like AC/ end up there cuz one came up um like he

couldn't come at the end every day so I will like replace him. Um, but I just think also like being new or like naive is just like, okay, sure. Like they're

doing it. I'm just going to do it. And

you just have to like >> you don't know what you don't know.

>> Yeah. You don't know. Uh where um I think my biggest takeaway was uh just being like super organized, you know, like they're so like yeah, different

cameras, every OP has their own thing. I

remember just like being very like organized as an AC and then um everyone was super like kind too like oh yeah when I step up as up at the end everyone

was like yeah you can do it you've been working really hard all season >> so I think that encouragement was just like um great to have like you're not

afraid uh I think it was lucky in that sense later on I would say like I was more conscious of like what I was doing and a bit more afraid. But back then,

this is like 2014, so like 10 more than 10 years ago. Yeah.

>> Well, that youthful confidence can come in handy. What do you think when you

in handy. What do you think when you step on a set, especially as a young person trying to sort of break into the industry and learn? What do you think is the sing like you said organized is something that you really focused on, but is there sort of a singular trait

that you're like, this is really important? Like is it curiosity,

important? Like is it curiosity, organization, is it being a yes man?

like what do you feel like is the singular trait that's important when you're first trying to sort of break through and learn?

>> I think uh like back then yeah I was I mean in Mexico I think like um what is the word like positions you know I was

very respectful of like oh this is a DP this is a camop and like knowing my my place in terms of like this is what I'm being paid to do. So I was like already

doing that. But I also think what you

doing that. But I also think what you mentioned like being young and just like a bit like fearless in that sense like you're not very aware of everything. So

just like taking advantage of of like if you're doing good enough like your job, you can probably like people want to help you and people uh >> so just like taking that and like the

opportunity if the opportunity comes like hey you want to come up while he takes a break like of course and like take it seriously but also knowing that

like practice gets you better like you're not going to be the best right away, >> right? Yeah. And that's hard to accept

>> right? Yeah. And that's hard to accept sometimes like I'm such a perfectionist.

I it's hard to like if I don't know especially on a stage like that when I think about them giving you a chance to op and there's like a lot of other people in the room but just being willing to put yourself out there and

learn like is the only way and I think that's a super cool story. You were so you're in Los Angeles now but you were born in Mexico City right? So uh born and raised there. I mean, how did that particular upbringing and that

environment shape your perspective as a filmmaker?

>> I think I can think of two ways. One is

like problem solving. I think I mean I'm saying like back then because I do feel it's being like there's a change 10 years ago to now, but like there weren't

as many productions and as many resources. So you gotta be very like

resources. So you gotta be very like problem solving like okay we may don't have this equipment or this many crews or like how are we gonna make it work. I

feel like that's what I saw from like the people I work with um and something I like green on and also just working around really harsh sunlight cuz like in Mexico City

>> that's actually so true.

>> Yeah. the sun is very high up for like most of the day like it's like pretty early morning light for an hour and then it's like horrible light and then it's like nice for an hour. So I think that's

something I see like working in other places like oh sunlight it isn't as I mean at least you go again close to the equator but yeah yeah we work a lot with what we have and you just got to make it

work so I think that's something that sometimes I feel spoiled in other places. Yeah, sure. When you see that,

places. Yeah, sure. When you see that, yes. But I think that's so critical

yes. But I think that's so critical because I just think it's an invaluable thing to learn and a trait to have is to work with very little and then when you

get a lot you can, you know, shoot for the moon. But

ultimately being able to make it work I think is an invaluable trait and really important as we see budgets and schedules and things and we know it unscripted like every it's pretty quick

and unexpected and so I think that resourcefulness I'm sure comes in handy and and like I said reality shows can be super unscripted at times. You you start off with Top Chef Mexico but what continues to attract you in this

particular space? Like why do you really

particular space? Like why do you really why is reality and unscripted really appealing to you?

H I think um something I like a lot I would say is the environment like the people who work on on unscripted they

all are very to me very adventurous they all like usually come from different parts of the world and then they all travel to like go certain place and

shoot this project so I think that yeah just it's a little bit more not always, but usually more relaxed in terms of

like probably scripted sometimes in terms of like the subject matter usually is like fun outdoors at the beach. People uh want to

get to know each other like in the show.

Uh so I think it does just the vibe show.

>> Yeah, there's a little more of a laidback nature to it a bit.

>> Well, that's nice. uh do you know you've worked on other so when you did German bachelor was that in Germany like the Real Housewives of Melbourne so you know

what differences do you see like maybe cultural differences and sort of shows filmed in the US versus in you know down under or in Germany with those crews

like what what differences did you observe?

I mean I think well the I would can say I mean the German bachelor I would say it was very interesting that there was like beers in the craft because it was so

>> that is funny >> but I thought it was hilarious. I mean

honestly I feel like there's a not like a recipe but we all are trying to tell the story of like you know if it's a dating if it's like these group of women

I think actually I find more similarities than difference I find it like you just go with the same purpose like trying to do a good job um getting

the equip maybe maybe yeah the hours can be different for the German one I think it was 10 hours max compared to here which it's 12.

>> Um, >> yeah, maybe just that. But in terms of like the way we work, I would say it's very similar.

>> I love that. I think I mean ultimately the hier the hierarchy of a film set and how you approach it is the same across cultures. Like everyone has their job.

cultures. Like everyone has their job.

Everyone knows what the brief is. And

there's something really cool and beautiful about that. Even if there the difference is that there's beer and crafty. That's amazing. you've worked on

crafty. That's amazing. you've worked on like big formatted competition shows, dating shows, you know, and you're getting your, you know, sort of orders from the top down when you're opting

specifically, but what are you what do you feel like sort of defines the way you creatively approach these shows in reality specifically?

>> I think there's opportunity, especially if there's not like something urgent happening where because then you just got to like go and try to capture it.

But I think every time I see reality TV be more elevated, like there's more style into it. And I think you can I mean, you have a camera, you have a

lens, you can always be creative with that, meaning how you're framing it. If

I think I also been lucky to work with directors and DPS who like allow you to do that. German, the one from um

do that. German, the one from um Are You My First? H he's amazing and he'll like really encourage you to like go creative with framing.

If you're seeing something like a foreground that's beautiful, you can like be more abstract and like I think it also comes to like the creative team allowing you to do that.

>> Well, that's nice especially for a first series right off the bat where they could really micromanage the look and feel and the creative. It's so nice to be given some freedom and liberty and

trust to go with your gut and experiment a little and and get to follow that sort of creativity. But let's let's dive in

of creativity. But let's let's dive in for sure into Are You My First? Like I

said, this is the I'm sure this was an absolute trip to be a part of. This is

first season. It's ABC. It's the Virgin Dating show. I was just catching up on

Dating show. I was just catching up on it a little bit and I'm not going to lie where the even some of the interviews were so I was like my jaw kind of

dropped at how open everyone was about things. So it's a fresh format. How did

things. So it's a fresh format. How did

how did you get involved with the show?

Is it someone you'd worked with previously who gave you a call?

>> Yeah. Uh German Abara. He's an amazing director. He's done a bunch of reality

director. He's done a bunch of reality shows and other stuff. I work with him in surreal life.

>> Oh yeah, >> the backa season. Uh and yeah, he just has my name a lot for this one. So they

reached out. They were looking also like a mix of uh different nationalities. So

like it also worked out like there were people from Spain, >> Panama. I mean technically I I mean I

>> Panama. I mean technically I I mean I came from the US but I'm from Mexico. So

like it just worked out.

>> I love that. How do you you know the show there's dating moments there's a lot of vulnerability of talking about

bodies and sex and like all of the above. So how did you sort of go about

above. So how did you sort of go about capturing this? like what was your

capturing this? like what was your particular goal whether it was and I don't know if you were like if you specifically did interviews or more out in the field like

if you want to talk more you know about specifically sort of where you were in the production I'd love to hear more too >> yeah uh it was a mix because we all have

um we're divided in schedules right some start like really early on and like yeah we go like that so sometimes we will I would be in the interviews Sometimes

I'll be with them on the dates or on the house at the villa and yeah I think it's I actually think it is a strength to be

a female in this case. I do think and even directors I think they sense it and that's why they sometimes send us for certain things. Um especially with like

certain things. Um especially with like if women want to have like a vulnerable talk if they're uh I think we are just I mean obviously it's not about like a

female trait male can also be there but I think sometimes they feel more comfortable with a female of being around them and listening to them. So I

actually think this goes both ways for scripted and unscripted like you are the person who are like closest to them either they're performing like a script

or like their real lives um to just like have a lot of respect for them and allowing them to be themselves.

I was going to ask if you felt like it was an advantage because again when I'm looking at the content of the show, dating is vulnerable anyway, but this specifically is is getting into like I

mean people are talking about health conditions like like trauma. There's a

whole wealth of reasons why at this particular point in their life they are still a virgin and so and that's a lot to like talk about. So, so you know, how

do you what is sort of a rule for yourself when you're on set, you're in close proximity with people like just making them feel comfortable and and making sure that the environment feels

safe? Yeah, I think there's I mean and I

safe? Yeah, I think there's I mean and I remember this from the first reality like it was like oh you're not allowed to like

talk to the contestant or like establish relationships just like you got to be like a ghost >> right you have to be a robot >> yeah like because they're also like in

you know they're like not seeing their families not talking on the phone usually >> so they're looking for connection outside too love their >> right right

>> contestants. Uh but I think it is like a

>> contestants. Uh but I think it is like a human thing like even though I'm not their friend. I think just

their friend. I think just just like an energy thing like they know you're there to like make them look good and you're not there to judge. You're

just there to like capture what's going on. And I think there's like an understanding like unspoken. It's not like we say like hey

unspoken. It's not like we say like hey I got but I think there is a certain >> like >> I think among women there absolutely is.

Yeah.

>> I mean I I I mean there really is there's an unspoken kinship I think and safety there. Um and I think that's

safety there. Um and I think that's really important and I'm really glad that you know whoever was c you know the director understood the the need for

that and and It's it's really really great thing to be cognizant of again especially as we have these contestants being like pretty vulnerable like yes they signed up for it but like that doesn't mean we shouldn't provide them with like the

safety that they need to >> to talk about things that like are super relatable and everyone are going through. You know you talked early on

through. You know you talked early on about how growing up in Mexico City uh really taught you how to work with direct sunlight. So that's like a very

direct sunlight. So that's like a very specific challenge there. What were some you you shot in Costa Rica for this series. What were any were there any

series. What were any were there any unique visual or technical challenges that you guys had to overcome just based you know because of the content the location? What was unique to this series

location? What was unique to this series specifically?

>> In this one I think we had the rain sometimes come our way.

>> It was like really humid. I mean I mean I remember with like it was really fun but sometimes I'm like oh mosquitoes were crazy and like it was my hair was like this big.

It was really humid and sometimes we had to stop cuz the rain would be so intense that it wasn't safe and we had an amazing ad um gaffer they will always

like producers prioritize our safety and the contestants and because we were shooting like near pool near the ocean like if it's a raining and lighting was

getting intense we had to stop but most of the crew was we were living like not in the same villa but we it was a walking distance thing So we could just

go to our rooms and like >> be safe from rain and then like go back to work. So I think that was a challenge

to work. So I think that was a challenge just like work around weather.

>> Oh, the weather. It makes sense in sort of a tropical location for sure. So, how

were there any very specific creative choices, you know, framing, lenses, movement that, you know, the director

had a vision for that differentiated this from other dating series or that at least felt bespoke to this particular series?

>> Yeah, we also had a Pasha. He was the VP on this project. he made this really uh cool visual book like he sent us why

he was envisioning for it and I think he actually used um AI reference so he could like describe uh the scenario so

it wasn't like from other shows he really invested on what was he was hoping for and I think he got some great ideas we were trying to do like French

overs like not be so straight on if there was opportunity for the conversation. So like being far away all

conversation. So like being far away all the way zoom in. So we have this feeling of like more intimate uh and like give them space to

>> This is the second time I've heard French overs this week. This is so funny. I don't know. I like who was I

funny. I don't know. I like who was I just talking to who said that they had a DP who loves French overs. That's really

funny. Okay. Sorry. So continue. you

guys had a really great visual reference for this show cuz I get that I get that you don't want to be too derivative of ABC cuz like you still have to fit in

the ABC dating universe that has the Bachelor, Bachelorette, Golden Bachelor, BIP. So you still have to live in that

BIP. So you still have to live in that universe while also differentiating yourself too.

>> Yeah. And I think I also think like audience I mean they're more there for the content that for the visuals I feel but I do think like every time there's

more elevated like reality TV. So I

think when there's opportunity like the interview rooms if they can like play with lighting and colors. I mean I think those are um yeah like opportunities to

have a look or do something different.

But yeah, as an up, I would say just sometimes, yeah, trying to be like also bring storytelling elements like if they're like each other, but they're

sitting in different corners, then like maybe do a wide shot that shows where they are in the room and like who's feeling what? I think yeah, those are

feeling what? I think yeah, those are some elements.

I love it. Did you have any kind of wild unexpected moments on set where you were like, "Oh my gosh, we got to go get this." What was kind of, you know, what

this." What was kind of, you know, what were some of the most expected unexpected things that kind of happened?

>> I think honestly hearing their conversations, uh, I don't know, I learned a bunch from them. Like I don't I think they all had

them. Like I don't I think they all had such different stories as you said, like why they're still virgin. So I think it was very interesting cuz it was just

like okay they're talking sometimes you just sit there with them and like they're sitting down they're okay I'm just going to like sit and like record

this but then I'll be like I don't know some some would talk about religion some would talk about like like what was their idea of this happening and I was I

mean I was just like oh wow like there's such different ways of thinking about this subject.

Mhm.

>> Especially they were all from the US. So

it wasn't like oh all around the world like in this same graph space I don't know how to say it. There's like so many >> diverse uh yes way of thinking. So that

was very interesting.

>> I agree. I think I think that the way that the show dives into attitudes about virginity, sex, dating, I I do think it's really interesting because culturally the US has a very different

what tends to be a puritanical perspective on these things. And so the way that this was a dating show but also examined those things I think was really

interesting. So I could absolutely

interesting. So I could absolutely believe that like the most unexpected thing here was just hearing people cuz even when I was watching an interview just now I was like oh she said that. Oh

my gosh. Like I've never I've never heard someone be that vulnerable about that particular thing on camera ever.

And I think it was so I'm sure there was a lot of like >> staying composed and just like listening which is really really cool and and super super necessary. Was there a

moment from this show specifically that just stands out to you as like a perfect example of why you love your job? Like a

day on set or a moment where you're like gh this is why I love this.

>> Yeah, I think maybe two. Uh, one of the days I was sent to

two. Uh, one of the days I was sent to do like Bau, which was really cool. Uh,

I think was Danny her name. She was like a local who like drove us to like these waterfalls and like these hidden like little beach and I don't know it was

beautiful just like oh my god I get to like travel and see these beautiful places and uh you usually go with like sound or an AC so you're like okay let's

take this and stop get lunch. I don't

know. I just remember that day being like, "Oh, this was so fun and I'm getting paid to do this." And then maybe another day, I would say the end episode. That was really fun. We were

episode. That was really fun. We were

like um in the hotel with them shooting while they were getting ready for their final. So, they were all like really

final. So, they were all like really nervous. I mean, I guess I can spoil,

nervous. I mean, I guess I can spoil, but I was with I forgot her name, but she's the one who like won. And I was with that couple and they were very cute. like you could see also their

cute. like you could see also their progress from like when they enter the show to like that moment and how excited they were to be together and like I

don't know I feel like that was really really cool to shoot and witness and be with them. Yeah.

with them. Yeah.

>> Yes. Yeah. I haven't finished the series yet but it's my understanding that no one loses it right. Like I literally was like wait a second you're telling me no

one loses it? Like I was actually shocked cuz I kind of thought that was like like I was like we have too hot to handle >> and we and then we have this and no like

so I was shocked that that wasn't that wasn't a format beat to be honest.

>> I know on the spectrum right of like >> from one show to the other. It's like oh my god so different.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh but well that's cool. I love that that felt rewarding for you just to like see I don't know personal growth and like I feel like that is something that is really cool getting a front row seat

to that for sure. Um okay I I have some like fun first questions for you in honor of Are You My First? What

was the first camera you ever picked up?

>> Oo like Well, my dad had a film camera so I would say probably like that one. I

like to play with that one. But like for actually reality show, I think it was like a sunny F7 or something like that.

>> Okay. Okay. But dad's film camera. I

love that. I mean, I I don't know. Like

I don't know. How old are you?

>> I'm 33.

>> Okay. We're We're like the same age, but like having a camera growing up was not a thing. It It seems like it's so normal

a thing. It It seems like it's so normal now, but like your dad having a film camera is really cool because that was >> like not many people did. And so how cool to just kind of have that experience

>> and I would I would bring it to school and take pictures. So I was >> wait I love that pictures.

>> That's cool. That's cool.

>> First thing first thing you crave after a long shoot >> usually honestly sugar stuff.

>> Yes.

>> Like either like you know there's like these yogurt I'm like I say wrap but it's like so sugary. I'm like I love this.

>> Is it like the yogurt stick?

>> Yeah. Let me know. It comes like in this little uh another name, but it's it's like lemon pie something just I love I love eating that when I go.

>> So something a sweet treat. You need a sweet treat at the end of a long day.

Okay. I love that. I think we already know the answer to this question. The

first TV show you ever worked on? Top

Chef Mexico. Or was there something before that?

>> Nope. That was the first.

>> Okay. Okay. Uh your first big challenge on set and how did you handle it?

I actually think I was in Topshop Mexico. We had the camera that had like

Mexico. We had the camera that had like two slots for the cards and I deleted I formatted one that had a clip on it and

cuz I thought it wasn't and I was like I just sweat called I was like oh my god I did this. So I had to like tell the DP

did this. So I had to like tell the DP and it was like really nerve-wracking because I was like oh my god I hope I didn't delete something like super important and whatever. And then he was

just like, "Thank you for telling me.

Let's see what was there." And it was just like a something really easy to reshoot, but it was like really ner nerve-wracking. I was like sweating.

nerve-wracking. I was like sweating.

>> Yeah. Oh, 100%. Those moments teach you a lot though, like how to stay cool under pressure. They're big lessons that

under pressure. They're big lessons that you have to learn and they happen to best of us. What was the first reality show you watched like growing up?

>> I think I used to watch Home Makeover.

You know, like the >> Extreme Home Makeover.

>> Yeah, extreme home makeover.

>> Move that bus. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. That's an OG for sure. The first

one. That's an OG for sure. The first

mentor who really shaped your career.

>> Cool. His name is Juan Jose Saravia.

He's the BP from Top Chef Mexico, but also we work on other he he does other like incredible stuff. And

>> so, yes, I'm really thankful to him.

Yeah, he taught me a lot. Wonderful.

First piece of advice you'd give to someone just starting out? And I just I want to say I'm going to caveat this actually. First piece of advice you'd

actually. First piece of advice you'd give to a woman starting out in the camera department.

>> Um I would say go for it. I I hope now it's slight better than 10 15 years ago. But still

like if anyone makes you feel like this is not for you, they're wrong. You're

right. Like, do it. And yeah, like keep it keep your things uh organized, take it seriously, but also have fun. Like,

at the end, that's why we do this. I

feel like there's no other reason to like go in such a crazy environment, so hopefully they're also enjoying what they're doing.

>> Love that. Okay. And the last question, what was your first Pinch Me career moment? I mean it's it's juicy but I do

moment? I mean it's it's juicy but I do think I still sometimes like wake up here in LA and I'm like wow what I work in the industry wow you know like I don't know I feel like

>> yeah no listen it is no small feat it is a tough industry go like working from job to job working as a contractor in an industry that right now is really fraught

>> and really unpredictable the the fact that you live in the epicenter of entertainment and you're thriving and you have a really really full IMDb page of not just unscripted, but you have a ton of like we didn't even touch on the

short films and the awards and like the things you've done as a DP. It is a huge accomplishment that is absolutely pinch me worthy.

>> Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I think that still happens. Like when I drive and I

still happens. Like when I drive and I see like the Warner Brothers water tank, I'm like, >> yeah, I love that. I love that. What is

there a show that you'd love to work on or like a genre that you'd love to sort of like dip your toes into?

I I mean right now I'm I'm enjoying scripted stuff but related to unscripted I think I would love to once be in a Kardashian show just to see >> Oh yeah come on

>> just to course >> just for the gloss.

>> Yeah 100%. Uh well I will manifest that for you really really hard. Well Jessica

thank you so much for coming on. It was

a joy to chat with you. Super proud of you. Your work speaks for itself. It's

you. Your work speaks for itself. It's

really cool to see how you've grown in the past decade in the industry, taking advantage of having mentors, being curious, putting yourself out there.

Super inspiring and can't wait to see what you do next.

>> Thank you. This was lovely. Thank you

for being the interview.

>> Thank you so much for listening. Loved

connecting with Jessica and just really cool to even hear what she was talking about. Oh, I wake up in LA and I can't

about. Oh, I wake up in LA and I can't believe I'm still here. It's really I don't know. It's really cool and

don't know. It's really cool and refreshing to hear that kind of gratitude and just like someone who is is excited and happy to work in the industry they're working in and to be living out that dream. I think it's

really cool uh and reminds me to be grateful. So that's your reminder on

grateful. So that's your reminder on this Friday. Thanks so much for

this Friday. Thanks so much for listening. Again, don't forget like,

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