Taylor Swift on Reclaiming Her Masters, Wrapping The Eras Tour, and The Life of a Showgirl | NHTV

All right, let's get to

the part of this show that I think is

what everybody is going to be talking

about.

>> Do I get to say it? Do I get to say I

get to say the two words? Yes.

>> First of all, you you can do whatever

you want, Taylor. I don't We're not

going to review. This is very much

>> work within the framework of the

podcast. I'm a fan of the podcast.

>> Typically, we would allow the guest to

say new news.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I want to do it.

>> I think Taylor has a little bit of new

news.

Y

>> welcome back to New Heights, ladies and

gentlemen, boys and girls, 92enters, we

missed you. This is a very special

episode of New Heights, a wondry show.

We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce is

my big brother Jason Kelsey out of

Cleveland Heights, Ohio, University of

Cincinnati grad

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Jason,

we got a good one.

>> Why don't you tell the people what we

got coming up?

>> That's right. 92enters, you may remember

when we said New Heights wasn't coming

back till August 27th. Well, that was a

lie. That was a lie. And hopefully you

can forgive us because uh we got a as

Travis said, we have a very special

episode today that we just simply could

not turn down. That's right. This is a

special preseason episode that we

decided to bring to you a little early.

>> So, let's not waste any of their time,

Jason. Let's get right to it. You want

to do the honors?

>> Our guest today is the singer,

songwriter, producer, and director from

Nashville, Tennessee. That's [ __ ]

She is from Reading, Pennsylvania.

She is the most awarded artist in the

history of the American Music Awards,

Billboard Music Awards, and iHeart Radio

Music Awards. She has 14 Grammy Awards

and is the only artist in the history to

win an album of the year four times.

Last December, she wrapped up the Aerys

tour, which spanned 149 shows across 51

cities, five continents, and was the

most attended tour of all time.

>> Of all time. I'm still going. Hold on

for her last album, The Torture Police

Department, set a record with 1.76

billion streams globally within the

first week alone. That's a fan of that

guy on the Chiefs. She has 19 wins, two

AFC titles, and a Super Bowl, 9%. Are

you ready for it? Making your podcasting

debut, the most aggressive guest in the

history of shows, Taylor Swift.

That intro, Jason.

>> Oh my god.

>> I've seen this before.

>> Look, his soul has left his body.

>> No, that was so good. Thank you.

>> I tried.

>> Thank you for screaming for like 47

seconds for me. That was so nice.

>> I'm shaking right now.

>> I'm shaking today.

>> No, you did a great job.

>> Take a deep breath, big guy. Take

>> Did I get everything? How much How much

more could we have put in that? Like, I

felt like that was

>> that was such an amazing intro and also

just like thanks for wearing the merch.

That goes a long way. Just like

immediately makes me feel comfortable

just looking deeply into my own eyes.

>> Okay. All right. That's what I was going

for.

>> It's a good t-shirt. I like it.

>> Thanks for having me. This is my first

podcast.

>> This is amazing. Thank you for coming

on.

>> What took you so long to jump on

podcast?

>> You know what? I I just I was waiting

for you guys to invite me. This is my

favorite podcast.

>> So, we've already been over this. You're

a big fan of the show. You're a 92enter.

What are your favorite segments that you

hear Travis and I I go into on a

routinely basis?

>> I like News just because of the

screaming. Like I hear him screaming new

news from across the house constantly.

It's like my favorite part. Like he'll

be like new news, new news and I'm in

the kitchen be like news. Um so I love

that because of just the bellowing of

it. Like I love um no dumb questions.

>> That's a banger.

>> I really like it when you give people

advice. It's my It's kind of my personal

favorite.

>> Do you usually agree with the advice or

do you just like listening to it?

>> I mean, I think that like you guys give

such male centric advice. It's which

which I think is just like just dudes

who don't want drama.

>> Yeah.

>> Dudes who are trying to avoid the mess

or but sometimes you're going to like do

a bit and say the messiest thing that

they could do, which is funny, too.

>> So, we're going to ask a question

everybody watching the show is currently

asking. Why are you coming on the show?

Why? What are you doing? You have so

many better things to do with your time.

>> This podcast has done a lot for me. Um,

I owe a lot to this podcast. I This

podcast got me a boyfriend. Um, ever

since Travis decided to use it as his

personal dating app about two years ago,

so

>> worked pretty good.

>> Yeah. Hey,

>> were his friendship bracelets that good?

Did you give the friendship bracelets or

was that just on the podcast? Like

>> I've never been I've never seen

>> Yeah. They didn't leave the stadium

because I was butt hurt. He was He would

threw a tantrum.

>> He threw a man tantrum out of here.

>> It's so funny. It's like ruined.

>> She loves me. She loves me now. She

loves me. She loves me.

>> This is so wild.

>> She hates me.

>> Like it was such a wild romantic gesture

to just be like, I want to date you like

on I don't know. It was at first when I

looked at it, I was like, this dude is

>> That's what it does when you're on the

stage and you perform in Arrowhead.

That's what it did. This dude didn't get

a meet and greet. He's making it

everyone's problem. That's what I

thought at first and then I was

>> You come to Arrowhead, I get to meet

you. That's the perk of playing for the

Chiefs.

>> You realize he didn't even reach out to

our management. I was like, when this

podcast came out, I was like, did he

ever reach out to be like in the tents

or did we know he was in the building?

He came with Pat and he thought that cuz

he knows the elevator lady that he could

talk to her about just getting down to.

>> That's how it works. You just go and I

got denied.

>> That's how it works. in 1973.

>> Um

>> the elevator was just invented.

>> But yeah, but he but yeah, he really

just was like, I know a guy. I can

figure this out. But um I actually when

I thought about it, I was like actually

we live in a day and age where like I'm

not a very I'm not an online person at

all. Not like on social media like that

and like I'm genuinely terrified to open

my DMs.

>> Um

>> smart.

>> It's just like it's just like it's about

just there's smoke coming out of my DMs.

Like I don't want to go near that. I

don't know what

>> if you want somebody to go through it.

I'll go through it just cuz I'll laugh

my ass off.

>> It's like if you have like 20 million

unread DMs, you're saying

>> entertained.

>> Um, so this kind of felt more like I was

in an 80s John Hughes movie and he was

just like standing outside of my window

with a boom box just being like, I want

to date you.

>> Yeah.

>> Do you want to go on a date with me? I

made you a friendship. Do you want to

date me?

>> Just go outside and meet me. Just meet

me once. Give me just give me a chance.

So, I was like, if this guy isn't crazy,

um, which is a big if, this is sort of

what I've been writing songs about

wanting to happen to me since I was

>> Yeah.

>> a teenager.

>> Yeah. And I was sitting there at the air

tour listening to every single one of

those songs. Like, she I know what she

wants me to do.

>> I'm I I feel that. That's a That's a

>> what she wants me to do.

>> She's like, this is just her wish list

of like,

>> "Meet me, please. Now I'm butt hurt."

>> Yeah. I'm upset that you didn't meet me

even though you didn't know I wanted to

meet you because I didn't do any proper

logistical planning.

>> Who planned?

>> Typical Kelsey. Typical Kelsey.

>> It was wild. It was wild, but it worked.

I'm glad it worked. Uh I'm just circling

back to New Heights to say thank you for

for this.

>> Look at this.

>> I'm the luckiest man in the world.

>> So yeah, that's

>> and thank you to New Heights. All the

editing. Jake, thank you for putting

that on social media and letting it do

its course.

>> Hold on. Before we move on, what how did

you know he wasn't crazy? Cuz I that's

the other side of that, right? Like a

guy goes up there and professes his love

for you. It's either one it's like this

could be the most romantic thing in the

world. It can also be like crazy.

>> He is crazy. I mean,

>> but there's a there's a right crazy.

>> Yeah, he's the good kind of crazy. And I

I knew that he wasn't crazy the first

couple of times that we talked. I was

just like, he's he's truly like he's

truly getting to know me in a way that's

very natural, very pure, very normal.

Like also like just the way that he

could make me laugh so immediately um

about normal things. The like Travis is

like he's just a vibe booster in

everyone's life that he's in. He's like

a human exclamation point. like

>> you know he's like when you take a

picture on your phone and you put the

like you push the enhance color button

that's like what you do to every text I

just I'm always

so many more exclamation points now but

I think it was just like you also you

were so you're so non-judgmental about

people and you were not judgmental about

the fact that I knew nothing about the

world you were in.

>> Oh, it was it was the best.

>> You were nice. You were so nice.

>> I got a clean slate.

>> You were like get a clean slate. She

doesn't know any of my season though.

Are you kidding me?

>> Jason, on our first date, I literally I

I legitimately asked him what it was

like when the Chiefs played the Eagles

in the Super Bowl and he looked across

the field across the line of scrimmage

and saw his brother standing on the

other like 5t in front of him on the

field. Yeah.

>> And he was like,

>> he was and he didn't even he didn't even

look at me. Like I now know what an

insane question that was. He was like,

"Actually, I'm on the offense. Uh, and

my brother's on the offense, and I'm

only on the field at the same time as

the defense. I thought everyone was on

the road at the same time." I thought I

thought that the quarterbacks

>> I mean, that's how you played at at on

the on the playground growing up. So, I

understand if you hadn't like

>> No, you don't understand. I thought it

was like Jared Goff is here and Josh

Allen's here

>> and they're gonna be like they blow a

whistle and then they co they go at each

other and they're like,

like who's going to win?

>> That's actually

>> I would love to see Jared G play some

defense. Let's see Jared on defense.

>> I've got some ideas. I've got some

thoughts. Yeah. I didn't know what a

first down was. I didn't know what the

chains were. I didn't know what a tight

end was.

>> I am forever I am forever thankful for

you diving into the football world

wholeheartedly.

>> Oh my god. I fell in love with it. I

became obsessed with it. I became like a

person who was running through the halls

of my house screaming, "We drafted

Xavier Worthy." And my friends are like,

>> "What is who body snatched you? This

isn't this is what do you mean we

drafted Xavier Worthy?"

>> I forget where I was, but you were the

first person to tell me that we drafted

the first man in the draft.

>> No, I was screeching. I couldn't believe

it. I was freaking out. We're talking

about

>> I'm like, "Wait, does she she right? I

had to look this up." I'm like, she she

get the wrong information here. But

yeah, we trade it up and

>> yeah, we're talking about cover two,

cover four, cover zero. Man, cover.

We're talking. We're We're learning.

>> We I continue to learn.

>> Maybe somebody else that even knows what

those coverages are.

>> Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst

right now.

>> That's been Yeah.

>> Give me

16 months.

>> You're going to pick up on it. I'm

telling you I you would ask some of the

best questions when we were up in the

booth and there's like your desire to

learn more but your genuine excitement

around it as well as like your

competitiveness.

>> She's not [ __ ] around. No,

>> Tay's not [ __ ] around.

>> Oh my god.

>> She's not [ __ ] around.

>> Reclaiming Masters. You want to tee this

up?

>> Let's tee it up. Um one of uh one of my

favorite things this summer was Taylor

reclaiming her Masters. Um her recording

of her first six albums. uh finally uh

became hers and um you haven't really

talked about it. You made that beautiful

post on all your social channels

thanking everyone that that made it

happen and everything, but uh why don't

you tell uh tell the 92enters how it

really felt.

>> Oh wow. Um, so to catch anyone up who

doesn't know about this saga, like I

signed a record deal when I was 15. And

I always kind of refer to it as I got my

music back this this summer, but I never

owned my music at all. So,

traditionally, a lot of record deals are

set up in a way that artists don't own

what's called their master recordings.

Owning your master recordings means that

you have complete control and power over

distribution licensing

um, and essentially the way your legacy

is shaped. It's, it's, um, it's a huge

thing. It's always been a huge thing for

me. Like since I was a teenager, I've

been actively saving up money to buy my

music back and to to ever own it in the

first place because it's usually the

label that owns it. But I I've always

wanted this to happen. So, um, it's been

sold. My music has been sold a few

times. The first time that it was sold,

it really ripped my heart out of my

chest. And I told everybody exactly how

that felt for me and what I was going

through. And I started basically

defiantly re-recording my music because

I wanted

>> I wanted to own it. And this was the

only way I thought it was ever going to

happen. And so, um,

>> I knew she had a bad kid and she's got

she's got a little bit of a bad kid.

Yeah. It's not a bad kid. That's a

freaking savvy kid. That's what that is.

That's like, hey,

>> I've been told I've been defiant a lot

of times.

>> You are. You're very

>> It's like I I um

>> insubordinate, Travis.

>> Insubordinate. Yeah. It's It's I think

for me, you know, that was the closest I

ever thought I would get to owning my

music. And so, re recording my music, it

was so exciting to get to have that

opportunity. But there was still like I

thought about not owning my music every

day. Um it was something that I never

was a it's like an intrusive thought

that I had every day. And so we we do

the Aerys tour. Uh after the Aerys tour,

I had a meeting with my team and we we

decided this might be a good time to

approach the current owners of it. The

owners of it was um a private equity

firm called Shamrock Capital. I knew

them to be above board people. Uh, you

know, they had been very friendly to us.

Um,

what I was looking to do though was I

wanted to buy my music outright. I don't

want to be in a partnership. I don't

want to own 30% of it. I want it I want

to own all of it.

>> And you deserve that.

>> But it was a long shot to think that

they would do that, that they would sell

that that asset to me.

>> It's a big asset.

>> It's a huge decision for them to make to

sell that to anyone, including me. I

decided that rather than this be like a

a business conversation, I I'm in the

business of human emotion. I would so

much rather lead heart first in

something like this because for me this

is not oh I want to I want to own this

asset because of its returns because if

it's you know because of the dividends

that I will receive over the years

>> this was I want it because this is my

handwritten diary entries from my whole

life. These are the songs I wrote about

every phase of my life. This is my

photography, my music videos,

>> my most of which I funded. Yeah. You

know, my artwork, everything that I've

ever done is in this catalog.

>> And so rather than send lawyers or

management like in a big crew, I sent my

mom and my brother who I work with

>> to LA and they um sorry, they sat down

and they like this happens. I don't ever

really talk about it because it's um

>> they sat with um with Shamrock Capital

and they told them what this meant for

me. Like this is they they told them the

whole story of all the times we've tried

to buy it, all the times it's fallen

through, all the times we had gotten

plans together and figured out something

we thought was going to work and it

didn't at the last minute. And so like

my mom calls me afterwards. She's like,

"Look, you know, they were wonderful.

They they heard us out. we have no idea

which way they're going to go with this.

And so I was like, I get it. I get it.

I've I haven't gotten my hopes up about

this in a decade. Um, and so it was a

couple months after the Super Bowl.

We're in Kansas City. Um, and I get a

call from my mom and she's like

she's like,

"They they we we did you got your

music." Yeah.

>> And um so sorry that uh this is it's

literally been so long since this

happened. It's every time I talk about

it. Um she was like, "You got you got

your music." And I just like very

dramatically hit the floor for real.

Like honestly just started

>> a long time

>> balling my eyes out and I'm just like

>> just just weeping and kind of like

unable. I was just like really are

really really what do you mean? What do

you mean? And I'm I'm like, "Get get

yourself together. Get your [ __ ]

together." Like, "Just go tell Travis in

a normal way."

>> Yeah.

>> And I knock on the door. He's playing

video games.

And I'm trying to say it in a normal

way. And I'm just like,

>> I'm like, "Oh no, what just happened?

What just happened?"

>> And he's like, he like puts his headset

down. He's like, "Guys, got to go." And

I think you thought something was wrong.

And you come up and I'm just like, "I

got all my music back." And then just

start absolutely heaving. dead weight.

Just dead weighed. Literally all

control.

>> Had no power in my legs to support

myself. And um

>> yeah, this changed my life. Um I can't

believe it still. Every time I think

about it, it's like I have to tell the

short version to everyone because it is

still like this this will affect the

rest of my life. I think about this

every day now, but instead of it being

like an intrusive thought that hurts me,

it's I can't believe this happened. like

how lucky am I? How grateful am I? I'm

so grateful to like the artists that

helped me with my re-records because

when I did my re-records, I started

doing those in 2021.

>> Mhm.

>> And a lot of like most of the industry

trades were like, "This is a bad idea.

This is her sort of derailing her career

in a way. Nobody's interested in you

doing the same album twice. Fans are not

going to be engaged with this. This is

not going to go well for her."

>> Somebody knew though. And it was like I

still was able to like reach out to

friends of mine like like like Phoebe

Brides, Keith Urban, Marin Morris, Chris

Stapleton, you know, Haley Williams from

Paramore, Fallout Boy, like all these

absolutely incredible artists that like

shape who I am as an artist

>> and um and they like agreed to be a part

of the re-records. I like, you know, I

one of the only people I told before

this happened was like I called Phoebe

Brides and I was just like

and she's like, I think you just did you

just say what I think you said?

And so this has just been like it was

just I'm so grateful for it. It's um

>> it's just unbelievable and I was so

happy you were there when that happened.

>> I mean I was

>> cuz I could not stand.

>> Yeah. I mean I started crying too. You

know, you were weeping.

>> I was I'm just so happy for you because

I've seen I've seen

>> how you make music. I've seen how you

make these videos. I've seen the effort

and the focus and the strategy behind

what just one album in torture poets

department and and and in Fortnite. And

I was blown away that you had been doing

this your entire life and for, you know,

your first six albums, you weren't given

the the rights to all of that. M

>> and I know what that that looked like

and I know how much it it burns you that

that you didn't have that and you didn't

have your creation. And I just I think

doing it the right way,

>> creating the fan base that you did the

right way and um and and leading your

life in a in a direction that you you

were eventually going to get it back

somehow someway because of you um always

doing things uh with the right

intentions. So

>> thanks.

>> So how I guess how does music owners

This is so crazy to me. So, you wrote

these songs, you sang these songs, you

put everything into them. And don't get

me wrong, there's publishing companies

and people that support artists out

there, but yeah. How how does ownership

of music even work? Like when you

recorded these songs when you were 16,

right? Is that like

>> the singer,

>> you dumb it down to us 99%.

>> The the singer gets a certain portion,

the the uh the artist gets a or the

songwriter gets a certain portion, and

then the publishing company gets a

certain portion.

>> Okay. So this is that's a great question

and there's two main categories that

we're talking just asked. Go ahead.

>> So master recordings is the actual um

recording.

>> Yes,

>> it's the actual vocal band production

mixing mastering that actual thing.

>> Yes.

>> Um mine mine also included my album

artwork, my music videos, um everything

that went along with any era of music

that I had done for my first six albums.

God every era.

>> So then there's also then there's

another category which is publishing.

>> Yes,

>> I own my publishing

>> which is why you know I have control

over you know if my song is used in a

film I and I and I wanted them to use

Taylor's version instead of the original

version I the songwriter can decide

that.

>> Got it. Okay. you know, and so it's like

>> I basically

>> I I've always been very lucky because my

publishing was protected. A lot of

artists

>> have have their publishing sold away

from them or they sell their publishing

and

>> I, you know, and a lot of artists, it

may not be important to them. It was

always important for me. The publishing

aspect of it has always been something

I've had firmly in place, which is great

because my songwriting is the core of of

why I do this, why I love it so much,

and what I think has made anything

happen in my career at all.

>> Greatest songwriter of all time.

>> That's very nice of you to say that.

>> It's like says her boyfriend. Um,

>> says a lot of people.

>> Basically, then you have the the master

recordings side of things. Now, this is

a discussion that was not really brought

up amongst the artist communities,

especially not with fans. This was all

kind of industry ccentric and kind of

boring contract stuff that like fans

were not speaking about. And so one

thing that I think is really great that

has come about because of this is that

I have so many new artists come up to me

now and say, "Hey, I didn't even know

this was a thing."

>> And when I went to go and negotiate for

my record deal, I negotiated to have my

masters revert back to me after a

certain amount of years or that I own

them outright. And

>> it's not for everyone. Not everyone

cares about this. artist to artist.

Artists have different priorities. Some

artists sell off all their masters

because everyone's allowed to have their

own priorities. What I wanted though is

that

>> if I were to put the information out

about what I went through, at least it

gets artists talking about this to

decide whether this is a priority for

them because you can't know if it's a

priority for you

>> unless you know what has come before you

and what has happened. And and so the

master recordings thing, that's your

actual ownership of your recordings. To

put it in perspective, if I never would

have been able to buy back my music, one

day someone else would be leaving all of

my music from my first six albums to

their kids in their will,

>> right? Yeah.

>> And you think about it like that, it's

like,

>> I thought of it. I made it. I recorded

it. I paid for most of those music

videos. You know, I wanted an

opportunity to to to buy that back and

that was important to me.

>> You feel like they're yours. They should

be yours.

>> Yeah. Exactly. Do you think it was

easier for you to do one because you're

I mean just you talking about this

you're so aware of the business side of

this and the legal ramific

you being the songwriter being the

singer owning no publishing rights being

able to re-record songs that gave you

leverage and able to make this move

Right.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

>> Yes. So, that was And also, uh, you

know, in my contract, they didn't put a

clause in that said I couldn't re-record

because nobody was doing it and nobody

thought that was a good idea,

>> right?

>> So, and also like who would be that

stubborn? Like, who would be who would

be that petty?

>> This badass kid over here

>> that they would record every single

thing. They're

>> so badass over and over again.

>> What was your favorite one?

>> Not just not just that. Hold on, Bill.

Not just that, who has a fan base that's

going to listen to the same album twice

in a row?

>> It's a good point, Jason. It's a good

point.

>> And honestly, you and this is where they

missed it. You had 1989 community

already built.

>> That's the thing is the fans,

>> you sold a story with the second time

you released this album, right? And the

fans got behind that narrative and

they're like, "Screw the first album.

We're roll we're rolling with the

re-recorded album because we're

supporting the artist."

>> They were like, "We ride at dawn." like

and and it was it was amazing because

you know they're the reason why the

re-records worked out. They're the

reason I was able to purchase my music

back because they came to the Aerys

tour. Um and basically they're the

reason why any of this worked out. And I

also want to note that like the other

people who are like we ride at dawn my

my live band they played on all the

re-records. It's like, you want to know

why they sound so perfect on the ARS

tour? They played they played on all

those records. Like they're session

musicians too.

>> And that's how good they are. And I'm

I'm so impressed

>> just by their ability and their

dexterity as musicians to be able to do

that uh so convincingly because there

there are there are actually some

there's the the Taylor's versions one. I

kind of prefer a lot of that stuff. I

think it sounds incredible, but I'm

happy to have all of it.

>> So, that leads me to the next question.

Taye, now that you own all of it, you

have the re-recordings, you have the

original recordings, what should we

listen to? Like, what do I do? I roll

with Does it matter? You're just like,

whatever you guys want. Like,

>> yeah, it's it's really whatever you guys

want because I love both of them. I

would not have put out the re-records if

I didn't think that they held up or were

better. I think a lot of the vocals I

did on the re-records are better than

the originals.

>> Okay.

>> But it's like if you found a nostalgia

in the originals and that was what you

were listening to when you were 12 years

old boopping around in your bedroom, go

crazy.

>> Yeah,

>> we got them all.

>> I'm going to start doing comparisons.

That's what I got to do. I just got to

start doing comparisons.

>> You're going to listen to every beat.

>> You're certainly It's not mandatory,

Jason.

>> I mean, it sounds like a good time.

>> I'll say this. There's a few good uh

playlists out there that have a mixture

of them all.

>> You've been streaming?

>> Yes.

>> Thank you. I've been streaming for about

two years now.

>> Oh, just

>> that's fantastic. Thank you so much.

That's why we got that spike in in the

35y old male demographic.

>> Yes, that 1.7 billion. That was at least

1 billion of those for sure.

>> We have one IP address from one iPhone

that continually is listening to these

things.

>> Did you have a favorite album that you

re-recorded that like are there

different eras that you liked recording

more? Re-recording? I really liked them

all, but I think Red was very special.

There were songs that I called from the

vault songs. And there was one, which I

think is maybe my favorite song I've

ever written called All Too Well, the

10-minute version where I unearthed

there were there originally so many more

verses in that song than ended up being

on the on the album that I had put out.

When I originally put out Red,

>> I made the um the glorious, fortuitous

mistake of saying that to my fans in an

interview.

>> You know what those words mean?

>> I love it.

>> You're so handsome. So, um basically, uh

I said that in an interview to my fans

and they just like hung on to it. They

were like, "Where's the 10-minute

version? Give us the 10-minute version."

>> Yeah. And um when it came time to doing

Taylor's version and re-recording the

album, I went back in, found the verses,

um restructured the song to the way that

it pretty much was when I had originally

written it, put them back in. Um and

that song is one of my favorite things

I've ever done. And it was when we were

on the Aerys tour, I'm watching people

just like cathartically scream this song

to the point where I'm like, do you need

do you need to go to the hospital? Like

it was so passionate the fan response to

that song at the tour and I remember

thinking so many times like

>> what if this never happened like what if

I never had

>> it's one of the most iconic parts of

your of that tour.

>> It it was so fun and so like yeah it

really did make me fall back in love

with that album specifically. I have a

song with Phoebe Brides that I really

love on that you know from the vault.

Chris Stapleton was a part of it as

well. And I just I think that one I've

always loved Fearless in 1989 in a very

pure way, but Red I've kind of gone back

and forth over the years and been like,

>> you know, like that re-recording it made

me just be like, "Ah, God, I love that

album. I have no no complicated feelings

about that. I wouldn't have done

anything different."

>> Maybe except to include the original

verses the first time. Well, well, let's

We just talked about the different eras

a little bit. Let's talk about perhaps

the most daunting thing that any artist

has ever taken on, which is the AIS

tour.

>> Oh my god.

>> Um, you finally finished it up last

December in Vancouver.

>> Uh, I don't know. I What did it feel

like to wrap it up? What does it feel

like now? Like not touring and being on

a jet every day basically trying to go

from country to country.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's insane.

>> It feels great, Jason, to be honest. Um,

I'm not going to lie to you.

>> You don't miss it.

>> I I miss it. Um, I do miss it, but it's

like it was perfect for what it was. Do

you know what I mean? And it was a lot

of

>> it was a lot of physical therapy and it

was a lot of like being in a state of

perpetual physical discomfort. Um, kind

of like when you're in season, you know?

>> Yeah. No,

>> I'm not getting hit

>> by huge 300 pounders, but the heels.

>> No, when I saw the recovery station in

the hotel room after with the toe

spacers,

>> I got to acupuncture that I've got

>> I'm telling you, dude, the similarities

were crazy. I'm like, "Oh my gosh,

>> she does more than I do."

>> We're like comparing physical therapy

stories like recovery stuff. But

>> have you ever tried taping your ankles?

we related on how much big guy

>> I yeah I miss it because I missed the

fans and I missed that connection but at

the same time it was so special. It was

like the most formative time of my life.

>> Um I learned so much about about how far

I can push myself and if I set a goal,

you know, making that a three and a half

hour show in the beginning of the tour.

It's like you can't like be sick one day

and then decide tonight it's going to be

two and a half hours,

>> right?

>> And it's really just like prioritizing

the fans experience before

>> before anything else. And my fellow

>> broken heart.

>> Yeah.

>> Don't get me started, dude.

>> Don't you get me started.

>> Or like stomach flu or like just like

aching feet or blisters or whatever.

Like it's it just was

>> which she had all of this going through

>> all at the same time.

um

>> going into her fourth show.

>> Yeah. And it's just it it was kind of

the coolest thing in the world because

when we were putting together this tour,

I had some really lofty goals I wanted

to reach conceptually because I wanted

to show I wanted to show fans and

especially younger fans visuals and sort

of performance art references that were

really important to me as a kid and what

inspired me to want to do this. Right.

So, like I wanted to put

>> elements of of musical theater,

Broadway, ballet, you know, scenery that

you would see in an opera, uh, kind of

>> thinks like this. I watched the whole

tour. I don't I just thought it was

amazing. I didn't know this.

>> But that's that's exactly it. I wanted

it to be references that I thought were

really high concept and really high

value for fans and for them to see

things they hadn't necessarily seen

before all in one concert, but I wanted

to do it at at the highest intensity,

rapid fire. You're seeing something new

every 15 to 30 seconds and so it feels

like you're scrolling in an algorithm,

right? And when I heard reports of

people saying that they got actual

amnesia after the concerts, I was like,

"Oh, I think we did it."

>> Yeah.

>> I think we did it. Nailed it. That's

That's genuine. That That's I didn't

even wasn't even shooting for that goal.

When they're like, "I saw so many things

and I experienced a state of euphoria

that I now don't remember what happened

to me." I was like, "Oh my god." All I

remember is that she didn't want to meet

me. That's it.

>> That's it. That's all he That's all he

got about.

>> And as much as much as you and I've told

you this, as much as you want to, you

know, give uh New Heights credit, I give

the Arrows tour credit.

>> Yeah.

>> I give the Ars credit because if I would

have never gone to that show and been

mesmerized

>> and just been captivated.

>> Yeah.

>> And then left with such a desire to want

to meet you. Oh,

>> I would have never uh went on here and

told everybody how butth hurt I was.

Yeah. I had never just been so engulfed

in the curiosity of who you were.

>> Oh, that's really cool.

>> One of the best things about that last

statement is you didn't even know what

the word engulf meant before like you

met Taylor. Like this is you've

broadened your horizon so much.

>> It were the perfect I'm telling you it's

so she makes me so much better.

>> So,

>> thank you for saying that. Thank you for

saying that.

And then but it's like you see you on

the stage and you see how

crazy you can get an entire stadium

going and then I get you in a room and

it's like I've known you forever. It's

like it was just the easiest

conversation I ever had and it was just

so much fun that it just uh it uh

knocked my socks off from what they say.

>> Knocked your socks off.

>> Yeah.

>> Thank you. That's I felt

>> she blew me away and I I had never I had

never experienced something so

mesmerizing on stage and then so real

and so beautiful in person.

>> Hey, that's

>> Should I Should I leave? Yeah, I think

so. Honestly, at this point, I think

everyone should leave.

>> I don't know where to go from here now.

Uh what how many countries did you do

the tour in? Um

47,000

countries. Jason,

>> you just listed that in the beginning.

>> Well, I said 51 cities, which I don't

know if that's correct.

>> It was a lot of countries. Um what was

really fun about all the countries that

we went to

um is when we first started dating, he

was like, I always wanted to go and

really vacation in Europe and see

Australia and, you know, go to Asia. And

the I was like, "Well, I got I got a

tour for that, you know, it's coming

up."

>> Oh, nice. You got room for a 65 guy to

>> Yeah, we can figure it out. Like, no,

that's the dimensions are wild, but

we'll make some room.

>> I think we'll have to leave some some

equipment trunks behind.

>> Thank you for accom.

But, uh, but absolutely, we'd be happy

to have you. We got to, you know, we got

to travel the world and have vacations

and adventures when I wasn't on stage,

which was really fun because like Europe

was so fun. Australia is amazing.

>> Yeah.

>> Um Yeah, it was great. And and that

entire part of our lives, like I was on

tour for so long and now I finally am

not on tour. And it's it's kind of great

because I'm getting my hobbies back.

Like when I was on tour,

All I had the bandwidth for was what's

the acoustic mashup this week? What how

do I say welcome to the Aerys tour in

Portuguese? You know, that was the only

thing taking up my brain space. And now

it's uh

>> it's been so fun to see what Taylor

actually gets into around the house.

>> It's like I'd say all my hobbies could

be categorized as like hobbies you could

have had in the 1700s,

>> you know? Like I get all my granny [ __ ]

>> You enjoy doing all of these homey

things. That's basically what you're

saying.

>> Yeah. I like to sew. I specialize as you

know in in children's purses and baby

blankets.

>> I make two things. And that's

>> I know that very well.

>> Very good at these two things.

>> I love to paint. I love to cook. I have

a different baking obsession

>> every six months.

>> I am the luckiest man in the world

>> right now. Right now we're uh we're very

deep in a sourdough obsession that has

taken over my life. I am aware

>> and I'm very deep in it now. You've got

me deep in this.

>> I'm lucky. I'm lucky I'm I'm I'm working

as as much as I am and running as much

as I am because I am I am getting the

caloric intake.

>> Yeah. He he asked me to send him two

loaves of sourdough at training camp.

I'm like I'm like wrapping sourdough

loaves in like like Saran wrap or

whatever like like cling film. The

sourdough's taken over my life in a huge

way. I'm really talking about bread

uh 60% of the time now. It's it's become

it's become a huge huge factor. Uh

>> I mean and she's getting good with

making all these different versions of

it.

>> Oh yeah. My favorite one was probably I

mean the regular sourdough is one of my

favorites, but the blueberry

>> Yeah, we do. There's a blueberry lemon,

>> there's cinnamon swirl, cinnamon raisin,

>> and this one I've been workshopping for

the girls because they love everything

rainbow funfetti sourdough.

>> Oh my gosh, that's going to blow their

mind.

>> No, it will. Cuz they love sprinkles.

Like we put, you know, we put sprinkles

in everything when we hang out.

>> Yeah. Um, it's really uh Yeah,

>> she's a loafer for life now.

>> Yeah. And it's it's gotten it's gotten

>> pretty crazy over here. I'm just like

always like baking bread and texting my

friends and being like, "Can I send you

some bread? I need some feedback. Do you

like this one better than you liked the

other one? Like I did the rise a little

differently. I'm on like sourdough

blogs. There's a whole there's a whole

community of us

>> and I didn't know it. Oh my gosh. This

is an idea.

>> The amount of people hoping that you're

on their blog.

>> Oh, I'm on your blog,

>> girl. I'm on your blog.

>> Um, but it's like I just didn't know

this. There's people like me out there

and this is where the internet is good.

>> This is where the internet is a good

place where you can curate a reality

where like

>> all I really use the internet for is

sourdough. And when Travis shows me

videos of otter on his Instagram

algorithm,

>> I want

animal.

>> I want a wild otter so bad. I just want

to like find these little creatures.

>> Yeah, he doesn't want a wild one. Why

wouldn't you aren't all Aren't they all

wild?

>> Oh, no. There's domestic.

>> There's domestic.

>> He wants one specifically whose life he

saved, who knows that he saved feels.

>> It's a really specific type of otter

he's looking for. The the videos that I

watch are somebody just in a canoe.

>> Yeah. He doesn't want to like go up to

an otter and take it from its mother.

>> He wants to see an otter and the otter's

like, "My paws caught in a shell."

>> And he's like, "I got you." And then the

otter's like, "Thank you forever." with

its little paws and bring them into

swims up. And then it's And you're

kaying and it's like doing this to you.

Like that's what he wants and I want it

to honestly. Who doesn't?

>> Yeah. I mean, who doesn't? Yeah. Yeah.

So,

>> I mean, do otter eat bread? Can we get a

sourdough eating otter? That might be

>> We're going to figure We're going to

figure that out.

>> I don't know if

>> I don't know if they do.

>> Um,

>> they're probably,

>> but yeah, we had discussed maybe like

carrying around cans of sardines just in

case we run into one.

>> Nice.

>> It's it's it's better in principle than

it is in practice. Easier to easier to

conceptualize.

>> It's pretty easy though. You just got to

go canoeing,

>> which is also easier in principle than

it is in practice

>> for us in terms of just the weight

balance on

>> the hunt. I'm on the hunt for a friend,

>> right?

>> Yeah. Stuff you didn't know you needed

to know, right, Jason?

>> I mean, I love otter. I don't know who

life after tour is, though. Jason, you

got to It's so

>> I'm retired. I am all in on this.

>> I want to bake. I just don't have the

planning behind it. Taylor's a planner

and she's going to have the sourdough

alive. We're not going to keep a

sourdough alive.

>> I've I've folded I've What is it? I've

What's the

>> He's actually done it. He's actually

done it.

>> Yeah, I've made a loaf. You've had one

of my loaves, actually.

>> He's done He's done all of it. Like,

we've we've set it up where it's like

I've got a station and he's got a

station and he's done all of it.

>> So, he's actually baked, too.

>> Yeah. I've stretched and folded before.

I've

>> But there's just like something slightly

wrong. Weighed all the No, his was

actually his rose higher than mine. His

was

>> more delicious than mine. It's like it's

also, you know,

>> no directions over here, Jason. I get

into no chance, Jason. You've had it and

you said you loved it.

>> I'm not saying it's not good, but it's

nowhere as good as Taylor's.

>> That's not true.

>> I'm telling you, if you if you took like

two chunks and you sent it off to the

lab,

>> there's going to be so many more germs

and microbes and

>> Oh my god. Oh. Ew. E

the bacteria count.

>> What is the fungus in this that's on

this one? No, I'm just kidding. That's

the sour. Jason, don't eat.

>> That's the sour. Okay.

>> Why is there chest hair in it? How did

you

>> Yeah,

>> there's like chest

>> apron's too low.

>> There's like chest hair in his. There's

cat hair in mine. It's just like both of

these are completely inedible.

>> Um, but it's crazy how you can how many

puns you can make cuz I do the whole I

got bread bags and I got

>> um labels and so it's you can you can

really go for it with the puns.

Um, you go. Are you ready for it?

>> Are you ready for it?

>> Um, uh, flower song is the slamming

screen door. That's horrible. Um,

>> um,

uh, it's a loaf story, baby. Just say

yeast.

>> Just say yeast. Yeah.

>> Uh, what's what's the dough? Keep going.

>> It's a loaf story.

>> I should have said dough. Uh. Um, no.

It's dough.

>> It's horrible. Um, loafing him was

bread.

It's bad. It You don't know that song

and that's okay. I love you.

>> It wasn't on the tour

>> tour. So, we do have this. I did [ __ ]

it up. 21 countries. Did you learn

anything throughout the like is there

anything at the end of the tour when you

were wrapping up that you wish you had

been doing the whole time? Is there

anything you would do differently now

that the the entire tour is wrapped up?

No, I I I'm really glad that I didn't

know it would have gone on as long as it

did. Um I'm I'm glad that I got to like

actually be prepared for this tour the

way that I was because, you know, in

previous tours I had noticed that I

would get on the tour and I'd have to

like get my stamina up throughout the

tour and by the last quarter of the

tour, I'd finally hit my stride stamina

wise and I'd be like, "Oh, I can do this

easily every night."

>> Yeah. I wanted to be at that point at

the beginning of the Aerys Tour. So

that's why I did so much more training,

so much more endurance training and and

cardio and stuff that, you know, doesn't

come naturally cuz I'm not an athlete.

So it's like that stuff I have to really

force myself to do.

>> Don't say that. Don't you say that

how I feel and I don't even It's not

like I say that in a disparaging way. I

I I don't care at all. Um for

>> Why do we Why do we take it that way?

It's not like it's Yeah. I'm like I I

really I'm not an athlete and that's

fine. Like I play in sport.

>> I take it that way because we're

undefeated on the beer pong table.

>> Um I've seen you throw a football.

>> No, that's not good. And you know that's

not good.

>> It does. It does.

>> You can no

>> spiral. Yes.

>> You you got to you got to be realist cuz

it's not there's no spiral. I don't

think I've ever caught anything that's

ever been thrown to me, near me. I'm

just disinterested in being an athlete.

It's true.

>> Can you hit something with a stick?

>> Um,

>> that's a telltale sign of an athlete

good with a stick.

>> Yeah. No, I don't know, Jason. We I've

never tried that. So, it's like, we got

to try this out now.

>> We're going out back after this, right?

>> My relationship with sports was like,

you know, I grew up in Pennsylvania. I

always heard my dad yelling at the

screen watching Eagles games. That was

always the sports sounds that I heard in

my house. However, I was up in my room

playing guitar, learning instruments,

playing piano, just I was focused on

different things. I was like so laser

focused on music and that's how I was in

school. Like

>> I I would go to sporting events so that

I could sing the national anthem. Like

everything was a means to an end to get

me to get to do music. I've I know every

halftime show from the Super Bowls, but

I don't I didn't watch the sports.

>> No.

>> And so

>> watching the tour and seeing that power

skip, I knew you were an athlete from

the from the from the power skip.

>> That's You're just saying

>> I knew it. It's one of my favorite parts

telling lies. Just see you just skipping

down that runway

>> just looking like a giraffe that's limbs

were put on all

>> run. Not everybody can everybody can

skip but not everybody can power skip

heels. That takes athleticism.

>> Thank you. I appreciate that. What a

unique compliment.

>> Um so yeah I uh I I definitely became

obsessed with sports when it came to

him. I'm competitive on his behalf, but

like if you and me are going to go

against each other in something

athletic, like I'm going to let you win

because this to me, like I don't see why

what do the points even mean if I'm if

I'm doing it. I'm a fan of athletics and

the sports. If I'm doing the sports like

I'm throwing like this cuz I don't what

I don't really care if it goes where

it's supposed to go.

>> Interesting.

>> It doesn't bother me. And when I heated,

I'm not embarrassed.

She's a good teammate, so she'll she'll

give effort if you're if it's teamed up.

If it's individual sport, she's not

going to care. But if she needs to be

held accountable,

>> if I'm on his team and we're playing

beer pong or something, like I'm really

trying.

>> You're now you're a team sport.

>> This matters to him, right?

>> Absolutely.

>> I'm a team.

>> Yeah.

>> Put me put me on an Olympic one person

trying to do some stuff sport. I'm doing

this.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't care.

>> I'm getting out of here. Yeah.

>> I'm I'm doing this. I care.

>> Okay. I'm doing this. I care this. Care

a lot.

>> We're doing this. We're knitting dough.

We care.

>> Stretching forward.

>> I don't care if this happens. I don't

care if this goes here. It's not part of

my metrics for my self worth.

>> All right. That's probably very healthy

to be honest with you.

>> Hey, you know, I was like, as long as

you're fine with this.

>> What? No, I'm completely fine with you

being an athlete. Yeah.

>> I'm not an athlete. Never going to be.

>> You just missed the whole point.

>> Yeah.

>> What? He sees what he wants to see and

it bodess well for me.

>> Do you have a favorite thing from the

Aeros Tour?

>> I have a lot of favorite things from the

ARS tour. Um, I would look out and I

would see a lot of bonding happening

between generations of people.

>> Gosh, that's so true.

>> It was really wonderful. It was like the

most incredible feeling in the world cuz

I can see all that. I've got LASIC. I

have incredible vision.

basically the eras tour. I think one of

my favorite things was when the fans

would come up with their own traditions,

right? That was so cool.

>> Because I can I can plan a stage show

that's like we know exactly what's

happening, when it's going to happen.

It's very stage managed. It's a whole

production, right? And I love to plan,

>> but I also do love surprises. Like

there's a time during the European leg

of the Aerys tour.

>> There's a song called Willow where we do

a performance where we have these, it's

a very like witchy performance. They

have these like light up orbs and we're

in cloaks and it's all very woo.

>> And uh the fans decided that they were

going to bring their own light up orbs

and by that I mean

>> balloons that they would blow up in the

audience like

>> Okay.

>> And then they would light their they

would use their phone light behind it

and create a light up orb.

>> When I tell you I looked out

>> Yeah. or a glow stick, whatever. Like

they would figure out ways to

>> illuminate them themselves. And it was

insane to look out and see spontaneously

thousands of these orbs just go up it.

And I just be like, I I don't even know

who organized this.

>> Yeah.

>> Was there a group text?

>> How did you guys even do this? It was so

special.

>> It felt like we were all part of

something together in a way that

couldn't be planned. And there's, as

much as I love and relish in planning,

it was really fun that they would do

things to sort of delight me every once

in a while. They had little chance. They

had all these traditions. By the end of

the tour, it was like Rocky Horror

Picture Show where they have their own

show.

>> They have their own show literally,

>> right?

>> It was I I remember being in Gelson,

Germany.

>> And you know what? Love,

>> what did you just say?

>> Gson love is him learning that.

>> Yeah,

>> that's an actual That's a city.

>> He came to Gellson Kirk and

supported me there. If you say with a

German accent, it probably sounds more

like the actual city, but my American

accent is Gson Gerkin.

>> Gelson Gerkin.

>> And um I remember seeing that part of

the show and they were literally doing

circles and like putting the orbs up in

the air and passing them to each other

like they were performing.

>> It was so beautiful. They were so

committed. I've never I've never played

for crowds that were as committed.

>> Yeah.

>> Um so I think I loved the event of it.

Like I'm always I'm always trying to

figure out how to make music into more

of an event, right? How do we make it

romantic? How do we make it something

that people experience together? And you

know, that's why I love vinyl. That's

why I love um you know, putting so much

into uh the tour or a music video or

events or activities for them to do or

Easter eggs or little puzzles for them

to solve. Like it's gotten to the point

where it's just like it's a little bit

people are like this the Easter eggs

thing is getting a little zodiac killer

at this point. I'm like as long as they

like it, you know?

>> How do you go about

like knowing how to do an Easter egg? I

don't even know like where does that

process start? Are you like

>> well I have some parameters.

>> What is the art of the Easter egg?

>> The art of the Easter egg is there's

there's dos and don'ts, right? Like I'm

never going to plant an Easter egg that

ties back to my personal life. It's

always going to be towards music or a

musical, something I'm coming up with,

something I have coming up, a plan I

have coming together. Um something that

you don't know I'm saying for a specific

reason that you'll hear later and you'll

go back and be like, "Oh my god." Like I

think my favorite one of those was I um

I was given an honorary doctorate from

NYU and I I made the commencement speech

and I put so many lyrical Easter eggs in

that speech that when the Midnight's

album came out after that the fans were

like the whole speech was an Easter egg.

>> Yeah. And that's for me that's really

fun because I because they find it fun

>> for sure.

>> And I and also just I love numerology. I

love math stuff. I love dates. I love

certain I just that's stuff like I find

really fun. And you you know we I'm I

want Easter eggs to be a certain thing

where like if you are a part of the

fandom and you want to experience nor

like music in a normal way,

>> then then you don't even see these. You

don't even care what that thing is above

that doorway in under that dimly lit

flickering light over there that's

upside down backwards in braille. I you

don't you don't need to know what that

is.

>> I love this. Yeah.

>> But if you want if you want to look at

that

>> but if you do

>> then then it's there. Do you know what I

mean? Like if you know you know you

know.

>> Oh yeah. What?

>> Then you know then you know.

>> Let's talk about something I don't know.

What is numerology? You threw that

phrase out there. Like that's a common.

What is numerology?

>> Do you don't know what numerology is?

>> I'm assuming something with numbers.

>> Yeah. Like I'm 87 and she's 13.

>> Yeah. Literally, it's that simple. Just

numbers.

>> And 100.

>> Yeah. 13 + 87 equals 100. That's

numerology. Like numbers. Numbers that

have a specific significance like Yeah,

exactly. Like Yeah.

>> Do you not keep it 100 ever?

>> I'm trying to. I'm I attempt to

>> It's crazy that you don't.

>> What numbers do I have?

>> That like that,

>> Kylie. I don't know how to do this.

>> It's okay. It's not

>> My favorite My favorite number is 13,

though. It always has been. Travis.

>> No. And that's part of the numerology of

why we're dating.

>> Okay.

>> Part of it.

>> If it been in my life, my life.

>> Travis Travis likes people that like the

number 13.

>> What does liking the number 13 say about

us, though? It says that we're family in

Okay. In in tricktoilia,

I think it is is the

>> what the what

>> obsession with

>> I know man. It's every day, dude. This

is every day.

>> That's a real thing.

>> You know what that means? Every day.

>> Trickophilia. So the that's the

obsession with specifically number 13 or

something. I'm sorry.

>> Yeah. Trisca Triscadeophobia is when you

hate trisophilia is when you love it.

>> Filia is love. Mhm.

>> I um I don't know why I It was like

everybody else was afraid of number 13,

so I'm like, "Yeah, I like

Yeah, you're just being contrarian,

which I love. I love that about you."

>> All right. Well,

>> you're just like, "You want to do this?

I'm going to do this."

>> That's exactly how I sound.

>> All right, Jason.

>> Let's get

>> Jason. Jason. Jason.

>> All right. favorite favorite thing about

the AIS tour was besides going to it and

just being like this amazed at

everything. I I think I was on another

podcast recently just like all of the

songs, all the everything you just

talked about where it changes so much,

right? There's something new every 20,

30 seconds. It was incredible. The

non-stop length of it. But I will I'm

going to be remissed if I don't say one

of the things that I loved is watching

Travis Kelce get on the stage. The man

in the tuxedo.

>> It was so good. It was so special. That

was like we were like that came out cuz

we were just do we thought we were doing

a bit like we both thought we were just

joking cuz a lot of what we're saying is

like inside of a bit and we're laughing

the whole time and every once in a while

one of us would be like are you serious?

Like I I could be I'm I could be

serious. Are you serious? Like

>> I was I was serious in and in terrifying

fashion. I was like yeah

>> it was like a one wouldn't it be funny

if kind of thing.

>> Fun. And um

>> I would try not to [ __ ] this up.

>> Said, "No, the show's perfect. You don't

want to [ __ ] the show up, do you?"

>> But I knew you were going to be down for

I knew you were if you wanted to do it.

Like I was never going to pressure you

to do it. But the fact that when when we

were talking about it, we were joking. I

kind of got I saw that little twinkle in

your eye where I was like, "Oh, he wants

to do it.

>> You want me to go?

>> He wants to do it.

>> He wants to do you want me to go on

stage?"

>> Yeah. And you got up there.

>> I'll do it.

>> You were so good. Every single beat his

comedic timing is crazy. Like and when

the lights are bright, he's like he like

slows down time. Like that's when he

>> Well, no. I just black out and hope that

it ends out like perfect.

>> That's You said you and I are saying the

same thing.

>> I just I did I think Yeah. Like

>> I I rose from that stage and I saw how

many people

>> are looking at you and I was just like

>> blackout.

>> You looked so good. It was so amazing.

Like it was it was one of the loudest if

not the loudest screams I've ever heard

on the tour.

>> It was insane.

>> It really was.

>> How many Trav you played football in

some of the biggest stadiums you've been

in front people have been staring at

your whole life. What was that moment

like?

>> There's nothing like this.

>> Felt like an ant. I felt like the

smallest piece of life ever. Like that

entire stadium, the floor.

>> What are all these people doing on the

field?

>> How are Holy I didn't know this place

felt like this. Oh my gosh. What is

going on? I have to pick her up now. Um,

okay. Here we go. Don't drop her. Don't

Don't drop her.

>> It's so funny that was that you were

actually scared about that. You could

like throw me over a mountain

>> and like climb the mountain and catch me

on the other side. Like

>> football players drop balls all the

time.

>> Oh my god, it was so good. It was It was

London. It was Wembley Stadium. It was

>> those were such special shows. And we

had just uh Wasn't this the week that I

got to watch uh Jason meet the royal

family?

>> It was.

>> It was.

>> Yeah. I knew you were serious when I was

like, "Jason, do you want to go meet?"

>> He was like, "Do what do I do with my

beer?"

>> Yeah. I watched him have this moment

with his beer where he's just like, "But

I want to take it, but I know that I I

probably should not take it."

>> I watched this happen and it was kind of

the most amazing. I do when I'm meeting.

>> I like that you picked up on it cuz that

was exactly what was going on.

>> If I don't like if I don't have my beer,

what do I do with this hand now?

>> Is it disrespectful to have a beer when

you do loyalty

>> or am I just like being being authentic

by having the beer? I would normally

have the beer. Wouldn't they want me to

be myself? I'm watching you say that in

your head

>> and it was fantastic. I don't know. I'll

always remember that. It was just just

like I'll always remember meeting you

for the first time. Jason,

>> do we need to talk about that? That time

I did hold on to my beer.

>> You did. What was I guess you brought it

up? What was that first impression like?

What was Did you know I was told to be

on my best behavior?

>> I didn't know what you were told, but I

did know that one of the first things I

saw was like, you say to Kylie, I was

just shotgunning beers with the Bills

Mafia, and I really want to go through

one of the the fire tables.

>> Yep.

>> I want to jump through it. I want to

jump onto the flaming table. And she

goes,

"Okay, can we not do that right now?"

>> Yeah, guy.

>> And since then, I've heard her say that

exact thing to your four-year-old

>> about like, "Mommy, I want to throw this

pudding on the wall. Wouldn't that be

fun? Can we not do it right now?"

>> That's a That's a common phrase for

>> And so I meet you. You're exactly as I

thought you would be. Kylie is exactly

as I thought she would be. Just like the

realest, the smartest, the coolest.

You're fantastic. Obviously, you know

that. Um, and then I swear to God,

Jason, it you flew through the window at

light speed. I've never seen someone so

big move so fast.

>> It's It's impressive.

>> It's like, you know, when you see a

cricket and it's here.

>> Yeah.

>> And then it's gone and it's and it's 16

ft that way. You're like, did it just

jump that way? How did it do that?

>> And he surprisingly he gets more

athletic the more

>> the more beers. I mean, it's real wild.

>> I really should have played in the NFL

drop.

>> I think it would have been better.

>> You know what? Not no

>> at this point. I would never argue with

that. And all of a sudden, like you're

out there in the snow. You're handing me

children through the window. Like

>> trying to That was fully

>> not my best moment.

>> It was

>> and like I think it actually was. And

I'm

>> Taylor like you want to see Taylor? I

got you. Let's go.

>> We're going.

>> Whose kid is that? Jason, do you know

where this kid came from? Um, but yeah,

it was I think it was your best moment

and I think I'm very lucky to have

gotten to see it. I love this like new

world that Travis has shown me cuz I

really it's so fun.

>> It's so exciting. There's so much

pressure on these players that I didn't

I I kind of was like I've I've only ever

been in music and been like, you know,

seeing that. But the the pressure on

sports is just such a different type

that I have such a respect for

>> everyone. Like everyone I meet on his

team, like everyone I see doing this,

I'm just like, you've been focused on

this since you were a kid.

>> And it shows.

>> Well, and I'm sure there's a lot of

relatability there. Anybody trying to be

the best at what they do and dedicating

their lives to it. I mean, yeah.

>> Yeah. And I've been I've been so lucky

because I never have gotten to see what

the suite looks like when I play the

game

>> because they didn't

>> I never get to see my friends and

family. I never get So now whenever I

make a play, I get to see it what it

actually looks like, how much fun

they're having, what, you know, the type

of support that I get and how crazy it

gets. So the Vegas Super Bowl, there was

there was a camera on the suite and when

Micole scored that touchdown and to see

everybody in that start jumping on each

other,

>> people are body slamming each other into

other rooms, it was so violent.

>> It's giving me the chills. Like

everybody

>> I'm the I'm the luckiest guy in the

world that video to get everybody going

crazy.

>> People went down like there were there

were people punching each other. It was

like absolute chaos. And like I have I

have every memory of that. Like every

memory of that moment is intact, but

it's just like screaming and thrashing

around and trying not to be taken down

by this undertoe of your friends going

absolutely in.

>> I loved every bit of it.

>> Oh, it was so insane. I mean the the

suite that is the Travis Kelce suite

that has been happening. What was your

first impression of that of everybody in

there?

>> Who's the MVP of the suite? Who's the

MVP of the suite?

>> Okay, so he's got which is a incred like

a huge green flag is that Travis has had

the same friends since he's probably

four years old. Yes. Um, and he's

incredibly good at maintaining

friendships and he's so loyal and his

friends are equally loyal and they're

just the funniest, most hilarious group

of people.

>> Yeah. And um, you want to talk about

Green Flags. The first game she went to

the Bears game, she literally went

through the front door of the stadium.

>> Yeah. We walked right in.

>> Just right in like the t like general

admission

>> through general admission through with

the everybody on the bus to the game.

>> Oh my gosh.

>> And I was just like, "Oh, she's just in

it. She's down. She's down for the ride.

She's here for She's here for the fun.

She's like, I'll [ __ ] go. I'll go

through the mud. I'll be a part of a

cheese kingdom.

>> Like, if this is where we walk in, this

is where we walk in. I don't know what

to tell you. I don't have an

alternative.

>> I'm like, you know, we just played here

3 months ago.

>> Yeah.

>> And we went a different way, but I'm not

going to say that. I'm not going to

backseat drive this [ __ ]

>> What was that like? What were people

doing?

>> I remember using like Ross was like

>> Ross is so tall and so and so broad.

that it's like that that helps a lot.

And then just you have a lot of other

just like big bulky dudes that you're

friends with.

>> Green flag, not threatened by other

guys.

>> That's right. At all.

>> Um I was walking in with I had a hat on

and I had a mask on and I'm walking in

just in the front. We're we're walking

in with thousands of people in Arrowhead

and nobody nobody noticed.

>> Oh my gosh. There were rumors that we

had been seeing each other, but I think

people were like,

>> "What would they talk about, you know?"

>> Yeah. I hinted on the Pat McAfee show

that I was going to see if you would be

willing to come see me rock the stage at

Arrowhead

>> since I seen you

>> make the stage,

>> but nobody was like, "Oh, yeah. We're

definitely going to we're definitely

going to see her there and we're going

to see her coming in through general

admission."

>> Like, no way this guy landed her.

>> No chance. No chance that whole podcast

thing worked. I didn't believe it when

you told me.

>> You manifested it.

>> I did.

>> You summoned me. Here I am.

>> Andy Reid has recently revealed that he

was the one who set you guys up. How

true is this revelation by Big Grid?

>> Whatever Andy Reid says, we we're going

to stand by.

>> We're not going to refute anything.

>> He says it.

>> That's what happened.

>> Big Red. So, it's all the same.

>> That's what happened. He's he's been

friends with my dad. My dad is is the

most social man who's ever been born.

>> Shout out to Scott. I was about to say,

who's not friends with Scott?

>> He's just like, he's just a maniac. He

will make a friend in an airport in

1971, have a five minute conversation,

and still be talking to that dude twice

a week now. And but he's like that with

everyone he meets. Like, he has he's

able to have very many very meaningful

relationships. And it's it's a skill.

>> It's a talent. It's a It is a

>> mind-boggling talent that I've only

known him to have.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It is a present. It

>> is aant social savant, my dad. And so he

knows Andy and uh you know Andy's been

coming to shows for years and stuff like

that. So we've I've always had like a

really positive vibe about Andy Reid. I

didn't really know what what what the

sports were that he was doing,

>> but I knew that that was my dad's

friend, Andy Reed. You knew he was

really I now know he is literally the

most iconic legendary coach of all time.

And like from the way that you talk

about him, his leadership style is so I

respect it so much because I feel like

it's done without like aggression or

raising your voice or losing your

composure. It's all very composed and

focused.

>> It will rip you apart for sure.

>> But like not

>> you got to be really like not plays he's

calling

>> them. Yeah. But that's the thing is like

but it's not done. It's not overdone,

right? Like if you get it from him, you

know you deserve it and you're gonna

give up. That's what I heard from

>> Exactly. And Yeah. There's validity to

it. There's like

there's so there's such a genuine like

want to get better that him getting you

to like do it the right way is a is it's

like a disciplinary thing. It's just

like he he won't he wouldn't be doing it

unless he saw the greatness in you or he

saw your ability to get it right and he

wouldn't be doing it this way if it was

any other

>> Yeah.

>> way if that makes sense. It does.

>> There's a lot of heart. Yeah, there's a

there's a stoicism, too, which makes the

heart when he shows it to you, and I

think this is what you're kind of

saying, Taylor. He's so like composed

and so like locked in. And then all of a

sudden, when he does show that little

bit of like warmth, it's like, ah,

there's that teddy bear. I see him.

>> Yeah. He's funny. He's cheeky.

>> Yeah. And then,

>> but it's like everything has a reason.

Like everything is every everything is

very like intentional. He's like I feel

like he like

>> coaches and lives in a very intentional

way, which I think is really awesome.

And it's just like a great leadership

style.

>> Yeah. There's a layer of trust and

there's a layer of like discipline where

you you're going to have some fun

playing with for him, but you're going

to know when you got to flip that switch

to be serious and be on point and and do

it his way. He says it all the time.

He's got 51%.

>> I was like, "Yeah, all right. Whatever

you say, boss."

>> I always feel like when you lose your

[ __ ] you lose your leadership,

>> you know? Oh, yeah. For sure.

>> It's It's just kind of something I've

always kind of tried to administer in

what I'm doing. But he's a he's a huge

role model for that of how he motivates

people and how he does so without flying

off the handle and is just very focused

on what the right thing is at the right

moment. Yes. You know.

>> Yep. So what So did Andy tell Scott

something? Is that what I'm trying to

What did Andy say to Scott?

>> I mean Okay. So when you guys did the

full send on the podcast?

>> Yes.

>> It was a full send.

>> Um and he was like, "You want to date

me?" And everybody heard it. It was the

the shooting your shot heard around the

world.

>> Yes.

>> Basically, everyone who likes you, which

is a lot of people, started reaching out

to everyone who knows me.

>> There we go.

>> I think it was like Andy was vouching

for you. I think it was my my relatives,

my cousins were like, "Please, please,

please. He's amazing." There were there

were friends that were like, "He's

actually an amazing guy. Like, he's so

great." It there was a lot of kind of

people whispering in my ear about you.

And I actually that's not normal. Like

>> it's not normal. There are people just

willing to go to bat for you and be like

>> you don't understand. This guy's

incredible.

>> Well, Andy, well done.

>> Yeah. Thank you, Andy.

>> And Scott and Scott, thank you.

>> There we go. Scott, how speaking of

which, how's Scott doing? He's doing

good.

>> So, he is doing incredibly well. My dad

uh had an interesting summer.

>> He actually um had a quintuple bypass

surgery

>> and that's a really intense surgery.

>> Yeah. So, it it all happened really

quick. He went in um I know he would

want me to say this because he really

like he learned a lot through this

process. He's had a healthy perfect EKG

every year that he's gone in to get his

physicals. Perfect EKG.

>> Yeah.

>> But what what found his five hard

blockages in his heart was um a resting

stress test. So, he's been telling all

his friends, you need to get the stress

test because that's what's actually

preventative. If you can find that

earlier, you don't have to have a bypass

surgery. You can you can sort out those

blockages with stances and things that

are a lot less invasive. So, he finds

out that he's got these blockages.

They're like, "This is

>> we got to do this like tomorrow."

>> Yeah.

>> You you you shouldn't like we don't know

how you walked in here, dude. This is

crazy. Um so he was of course saying to

our family, he was like, "You guys are

busy. I don't want you guys to have to

like come in here. Like you and Austin

are busy. like just don't you don't have

to do this. Like don't cry.

>> The brave dad, the strong dad that you

know,

>> he he said something about like when a

cat is injured, it curls up around a

tree and heals itself. I was like, "Dad,

cats don't have quintuple bypass."

>> He tried to relate. He tried. You're

just saying stuff now. That doesn't mean

anything to me. And so I was like,

"Okay, I'm not going to come there."

Yeah.

>> All right. Like uh so he wakes up from

surgery and it's it's my mom, my

brother, and me and his best friend. and

he comes out of surgery and he was he

did like a comedy act, a comedy set for

like 15 minutes. He was the funniest

he's ever been and he's usually really

funny, but he's like he he we didn't

know how many blockages he had and I was

like, "Dad, you had a quintuple bypass.

You had five. That's crazy. It's more

than we thought." And he's like, "Well,

you see, I come from a very competitive

family."

And it was kind of wild cuz it was like

it was very parent child reversal.

>> Yeah.

>> In a lot of ways. Like we my brother and

my mom and I were each taking shifts in

the ICU and staying with them 24/7. And

I remember when I was a teenager, my

parents would always the big fight we

always had is I'd sneak my cell phone

into my room and be talking to my best

friend Abigail under the covers all

night. And they'd be like, "You have a

test tomorrow. You need to rest. You

we're taking your phone." Whatever.

>> Yeah. I'd get to the hospital, my my

brother will have done the night shift

and he's like he's like, "Tay, you got

to take his phone." I caught him

facetiming his friends all night. He

needs his rest. He needs to be sleeping.

He's facetiming all night.

>> That's like one of the main things you

need is you need that your body to just

like cover.

>> And I'm like, "I'm not taking his phone.

He'll get mad." He's like, "I'm not

taking his phone. You got to be the one

to take his phone." I'm like, "I'm not

doing it." My mom's like, "I don't want

to do it." My So, we're just like, it's

like we've got like our teen we've got

to take our teenage son's phone away

from him cuz he's facetiming all night.

He came out of surgery, tried to give

guitar picks to all the nurses and

doctors, but he wasn't wearing pants,

didn't have pockets, hospital gown,

>> you know? I'm like I'm having these

moments where I'm like, this dude built

playsets and swing sets and and cribs

for me. I'm building his like I'm

building his shower chair and his walker

and his like bed that goes like this.

Like it's just surreal, man. And and

you're like,

>> you know, we we just all moved in with

him for the whole summer pretty much.

And just, you know, cuz you can't you

can't really walk on your own. He had a

little harness for for my dad,

>> just like walking dad on his harness.

And he was like the loveliest patient

ever. He just kept saying thank you over

and over again. So

>> guy was full of life, man. He was

appreciative that he that he caught it.

>> He still is.

>> Yeah. You don't get it.

>> We had We had the FaceTime with him last

time we were together and I was like,

"Yeah, he hasn't changed a bit. This

guy's still freaking got the energy

going." Yeah.

>> Yeah. Uh yeah. My So like Tra was

hanging with him the other day and he

was like, "So uh sweetie, uh he says

he's at 75% and if this is 75% I'm truly

terrified of

>> To give you the update, I'm I'm probably

at 85 to 90% now. We still got a month

though. So, my dad's like, my dad's

like, "New arteries, new me." My mom My

mom just got a new knee.

>> New.

>> There we go. New knee.

>> Yep. She's doing great. She's She's

scampering around. We're not quite as

scampering yet, but she's doing great.

>> Moving around.

>> Yeah. This was just like the summer of

my parental upgrades. Like, we're just

upgrading the parents, making sure that

they live to be at least 186 years old.

>> Huge.

>> Because they're two of my best friends,

and I I just adore them. And it was

actually one of the most special things

that's ever happened to me, like

spending all that time with them this

summer and and getting to like you you

have those long talks that you don't

have when it's like a a small

concentrated period of time. This is

this is when I learned to do the

sourdough, right? My my parents friend

Tina sends over a loaf of Tina.

>> Shout out Tina

sends over like the best loaf of bread

I've ever had in my life. to call it

bread feels really honestly sort of like

>> it's gold.

>> Sort of like minimizing what this was

gold. So I'm like I need to know what I

need to know how to do this. I go over

to Tina's house. She teaches me how to

do it. She gives me some of her starter.

Life is never the same.

>> All these things are happening in

Florida. Travis is doing his training.

He's like look at him in

>> Florida. I'm in Florida.

>> Look at it. Look at him. And he's so

fast. He can jump so high.

>> Um so this was our our Florida summer.

>> That's what it is. It's a hell of a

drug. Uh we we it's one hell of a drug.

>> We really Floridaed it up.

>> Florida. Yeah. No doubt. All right. How

many people have come up to you guys and

talking about

>> or spoken about

>> how much they've appreciated you being a

part of the Chiefs and like their

daughters all of a sudden being in the

sports because I get it all the time. I

can't imagine how much you guys get it,

how much the game has grown. It

definitely feels like uh a lot of people

say that to us, which is really kind

because there was never a thought in

either of our heads that that was going

to be

>> I had no idea. That was Yeah, that was a

pleasant surprise seeing all the little

girls in the stands at games and you

could see a proud father right there

standing next to them. It's it's a it's

it's definitely been fun to see that

like

>> surprise,

>> you know. I think a lot of like a lot of

the the women and girls maybe they maybe

they like watched one game to see me

cheer on my boyfriend or whatever, but

if they if they stayed, which is what

people are saying based on the numbers,

that's because the game is so great and

>> it's such an amazing interesting thing

to learn about. I will say it was it was

cool to see the comparison of it all

because she the way she runs her her

tour, her show, her like team and

everything like it's very like team

friendly. There are similarities in

terms of um her athleticism.

>> Yeah.

>> What she's doing for 3 hours.

>> I mean listen I was screaming I was

screaming for 40 seconds during the

intro and I'm out of breath.

>> That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm

saying. But the preparation it takes

work on that. I got a whole regimen for

you. We'll get you on the tour prep.

It'll be great.

>> Perfect. Perfect.

>> The goals that you set for yourself to

achieve like it's very like there are

there are some similarities that I

thought you found like I don't know like

fascinating that you kind of have that

same regimen uh going into stuff. And I

thought that was uh that was fun for me

to at least uh see when I saw you on

tour and saw how much of a of a team you

guys were

>> on paper. Like we actually kind of have

a very similar job. Like our job is to

>> entertain people for three plus hours in

NFL stadiums. And it's like

>> it's

>> like when I'm there, it's called a

dressing room. When Travis is there,

it's called a locker room. For me, it's

called a rehearsal. For him, it's called

a practice.

>> For him, it's called his coach. For me,

it's my mom.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, so,

uh, yeah. So, there will be times for

like game game versus show, right? I'll

be like, "Baby, how was the show?" Game

>> game.

>> How was the rehearsal? the practice

>> uh you know field stage they're the same

thing we just call them different

things.

>> Yes. Exactly. It was cool to see the

comparisons and how it kind of I don't

know both aligned and her how hard she

works in the gym. We've been to the gym

>> like numerous times and she works harder

than me every time.

>> That's not true. That's crazy. You can

like lift a car. He's just telling he's

just saying words.

>> That's just that's just genetic. That's

just genetics.

>> He's just saying words.

>> That's just one rep. That's one rep.

This is what people can stretch more.

That's what I can do more.

>> Yeah. Like I've heard about the We've

talked about the treadmill walking while

you're doing the whole show and like all

of that. We can't walk for four hours.

When's the last time you walked for four

hours Travis?

>> I'm I've never even tried that.

>> I'm not stupid enough to try something

like that.

>> You kidding me? My knees would be

shredded.

>> Oh my god.

>> So, one of one of the other things

that's been crazy to witness is just the

media attention, right? Like I think you

play in the in the NFL. You think

>> on the on the two the two of us

>> you Well, let me

>> Okay. The media attention on your guys

relationship on the amount of people

that talk about it constantly, the

theories that are out there of which I

am probably way too invested in. What

how do you guys handle all of the noise

and chatter about everything that's

going on in both of your lives?

We we don't really I don't see a lot of

things. I'm of the firm belief that like

you know if you're basing your kind of

if you're getting your feedback from the

internet or from comments and stuff like

I just really think that like anything

you put anything you feed your brain it

will internalize. Anything you feed the

internet it will kill.

>> Yeah.

>> And I've been I've been in the music

industry for 20 years. It's pretty hard

to hurt my feelings at this point.

>> She's a pro and it took me a little

while to be a pro about it. I think I

think init and there's still some like

wacko theories from the beginning that I

was very like oh no like how is she

handling this? I I don't like the last

thing I wanted to do is screw this up.

>> So I'm like in my mind is like her being

so calm, cool, collected and so just

real and understanding about everything

that's going on um really made me grow

up real fast in that in that aspect of

things. But also, I think the fact that

that you genuinely find a lot of online

discourse to be truly hilarious.

>> Absolutely.

>> And that changes things for me because

>> truth, you know, find the humor in it.

Find the humor in it.

>> If he's seeing things and he thinks it's

funny

>> and it doesn't even affect his day at

all, like that's really completely bled

into the way that I metabolize these

things. It's at a point where like I can

something can be about me. Like my name

can be in the actual headline and it can

still be none of my business.

>> Okay.

>> People can be out here. People might be

out here doing too much

>> just shaking ass.

>> Doesn't mean I have to do a damn thing.

>> Yeah.

>> We live in such a social media moment

where a lot of people's identities and

and they get their feedback from that,

right? Like,

>> and I'm a real constructive criticism

guy. Like,

>> give me constructive criticism all day.

I will take it.

>> It'll fuel me.

>> It's helpful, right?

>> But I have so many like friends or

acquaintances or people where like

>> they'll see one comment they don't like,

right?

>> And it will ruin their day. It'll ruin

their night. Like, and I just want to

say to them like you should you should

think of your energy as if it's

expensive, as if it's like a luxury

item. Not everyone can afford it. Yeah.

Like not everyone has invested in you in

order to be able to have the capital for

you to care about this, right?

>> Because like what you spend your energy

on, that's the day.

>> And it's so true,

>> right? Like it doesn't matter where you

were. Like maybe you went to go get

coffee today, maybe you saw friends

today. If you were obsessing over one

thing that you saw like you literally

like saw some guy call you mid

>> and this and you you can't stop thinking

about it.

>> No, he did not. who can't stop thinking

about it, dude. That's the day then.

That's the night then. And so I I just

I've been able to sort of mediate a

really healthy relationship with not

seeing a whole lot.

>> To what you just said too, the social

media expounds every all this because

everybody knows if they say one thing,

but all of a sudden if they put Taylor

Swift attached to it, it's going to get

a thousand more retweets and likes and

hate comments or love comments or

whatever. It's going to stir up tons of

controversy. Totally.

>> And I'm I get this way all the time

where I just recently like went into the

facility with Cam Jurgens and something

was happening like in the social media

world that I was like, why are people

like upset at this person? This is

[ __ ] yada yada. And Cam just hit me

with like, are they really though? Or

did just one person say something? Cuz I

used to get the same way where I'd get

upset and then it took me like actually

nobody really gives a [ __ ] about this.

>> Jason's early Twitter years. Oh, baby.

>> Oh my god.

>> Oh, baby. He had to get off. He had to

He had to literally step away.

>> It hit me right between the eyes

>> cuz he would respond to I wouldn't say

everybody, but he he wasn't shy of

letting people know how he felt on

Twitter.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Based off of their comments. It was

honestly Philadelphia, you guys know

this, it was a treat and it's become a

treat again now that he's back on

because you'll have a friendly

conversation. You

>> Well, Twitter used to be like a

different thing, right? Look, you

remember Twitter? You're like, I fed a A

squirrel ate a piece of bread. Didn't

know they need to get back smashed it.

>> Now that there's auto correct

used to be, right? I'm like, I need a

pair of scissors to open this

>> these scissors. Like we're just thinking

things, right? It's like a different

thing now. And it's kind of about like

information is power, I guess. Unless

all of your information is geared

towards you thinking that everything is

about you. because you know no not

everyone is ever thinking about one

person all the time at any point. It's

just like if your algorithm is giving

you either

>> criticisms of yourself or agilation or

praise it it's you're creating an

ecosystem in which you're the the

centerpiece of the table and I just

don't think that's healthy. Like that's

not the way I want to move through the

world.

>> So I do detach from the internet in a

huge way. Like I'm just not I have never

I have had my comments disabled on

Instagram for like 10 years now.

>> Yeah.

>> And

>> I don't miss it.

>> Yeah. I found that out after the tour.

>> I was comments were going to be the

first one.

>> Dude, the problem is I get so mad I then

go and look at all the other comments

and then Twitter just feeds me more.

>> Dude, you're on like Reddit.

Boom. Boom.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Whereas whereas I'm like, I don't

know what this is, but get it out of my

office. It's on fire.

>> Yeah.

>> My business is is making music and

taking care of my fans, and I have ways

of monitoring what they want from me and

how best to entertain them, which is my

job.

>> Yeah.

>> And everything else, I'm just sort of

like, it's not my business. I have

actual business that I need to run.

>> Mhm.

>> Can you imagine if we just talked about

what people said about our relationship?

Yeah,

>> cuz that if we talked about that,

>> that would be all we talked about

because there's so much chatter. It's

like

>> we're we're busy having an actual

relationship.

>> I want to hear sour sourdough bread

puns.

>> Yeah.

>> And you will and that's a promise.

>> All right, let's get to

the part of this show that I think is

what everybody is going to be talking

about.

>> Do I get to say it? Do I get to say I

get to say the two words? Yes.

>> Well, you I think we were going to try

and you can do whatever you want,

Taylor. I don't What are you going to

review? This is very much whatever

>> within the framework of the podcast. I'm

a fan of the podcast.

>> Typically, we would allow the guests to

say new news.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I want to do it.

>> But with Zack Brown, we had another uh

bit that we did. I don't know if you saw

>> I don't know if we can get I forgot I

forgot everything that Zach taught me

already.

>> All right, let's just let the expert

take care of this.

>> Okay. I just wanted I wanted to scream

it.

>> Taylor,

>> just Travis style. Do you want me to

start it or echo it?

>> I think Taylor has a little bit of new.

>> Yay.

>> She's a natural. She's a natural.

>> It was as fun as I thought it was going

to be. Oh, it was everything. It was

everything and more.

>> We did talk about Easter eggs earlier.

>> Yeah.

>> And at the very last AIS tour, you

didn't take the lift. You did not. You

went upstage and exited through an

orange door. Why did you change the

ending?

>> So that's I'm happy you mentioned that.

>> Say, Jason,

>> did you see that fans Did you see that

the fans noticed this? Cuz I was pretty

proud of them for noticing that. They

noticed.

>> I just I was surfing the internet and

saw something.

>> Yeah. So that was I was pretty happy

that they noticed that. I was like

trained them well. Um so basically every

night of the era is everything happens

with a reason. Taylor's a planner. She's

not just ran a random orange door.

>> Eggs everywhere. Just eggs everywhere.

>> What's happening there? Why is Why and

why? Anyway, so I I would leave the

stage every night going down the

elevator lift. That's how every single

era's show ended except for one except

for the last one where I exited through

a door, an orange door to be specific.

And um

>> orange

>> that actually was an Easter egg.

Basically, the reason why I chose to

exit that way is because I kind of

wanted to give a little subliminal hint

to the fans that I may be leaving the

era tour era,

>> but I was also entering

>> a new era.

>> A new

>> era. Uh, so I wanted to show you

something.

>> Okay. What do we got?

>> We got uh

>> a briefcase.

>> Yep.

>> Mint green with TS on it.

>> Yep.

>> What's in it?

This is my brand new album.

>> We got TS12, baby.

>> This is my brand new album. It's called

The Life of a Showgirl.

>> Love it. Love it.

>> It was something that I was working on

while I was in Europe on the ARS tour.

And

>> so while you were on tour,

>> I was working I would be on tour.

>> Why on earth did she do this on the tour

is still blowing my mind.

>> I just love it. I just love it a lot. I

love music. Um, I would be playing

shows. I'd do like three shows in a row.

I'd have three days off. I'd fly to

Sweden, go back to the tour, and

actually like working on this. I was

physically exhausted at this point in

the tour, but I was so mentally

stimulated and so excited to be

creating.

>> And this is

>> and literally living the life of a show

girl.

>> I was I was wrote it.

>> That's why I said that's why I called it

that. Nailed it. So, um, do you want to

see the back cover?

>> I would love to see all of it. Yes.

>> Back cover is where we find the 12

tracks for my 12

>> 12 tracks. Bangers.

>> This is So, we got all So, we got track

one,

>> the fate of Oilia.

>> Okay.

>> Track two.

>> Go ahead. Go ahead.

>> I was going to say, do you know what

fate of Ailia is? I just I

>> Hamlet.

>> I don't want to get Jason all riled up,

so let's We can just go through the

track.

>> Okay. Yeah. Track two, Elizabeth Taylor.

>> Okay.

>> You know who Elizabeth Taylor is?

>> You better.

>> I'm just kind of following. Just kind of

following along.

>> Okay. All right. All right. All right.

>> Track three. Opalite.

>> Opolite.

>> You know what Opelite is? Jason,

>> why can we stop asking me?

>> Finally, I'm done asking Jason.

>> He's like, I hate this structure of the

conversation.

>> I know a lot about this album and I'm

excited.

>> Okay.

>> Track four, father figure.

>> Father figure. All right. Track five,

eldest daughter.

>> Okay.

>> Track six, ruin the friendship.

>> Track seven, actually romantic.

>> Actually romantic.

>> Track eight,

>> I wonder who that

>> wish wish list with two dollar signs as

the S's.

>> Just thought I'd point that out.

Grammatical flourish.

>> Track nine, would

>> Wood. Nice. Track 10

cancelled, but it's in all caps with an

exclamation point at the end.

>> That's a banger.

>> Track 11, Honey.

>> Honey.

>> And can I can you do a drum roll?

Last track. Track 12, the title track,

The Life of a Showgirl, featuring

Sabrina Carpenter.

>> Sabrina Carpenter.

>> So

>> that's awesome. So that's that.

>> Look at this.

>> Yeah. And so then that is a showgirl.

>> We got this orange vine. It's orange.

>> Yeah, it is. And it's sparkly.

>> Entering a new era.

>> Sparkly.

>> It's very nice.

>> So what is the significance of the color

orange? Why orange?

>> I've just always liked it, Jason. It

really It really feels like

>> I don't know. It feels like it feels

like kind of energetically how my life

has felt. And this album is about what

was going on behind the scenes in my

inner life during this tour, which was

so exuberant and electric and and

vibrant. And you know, one of the things

about this record is like it's uh it's a

record I made with uh my mentor Max

Martin and Shellback. And this the three

of us have made some of my favorite

songs that I've ever done before.

>> Which ones, if you don't mind me asking?

Well, they were my main collaborators on

the Red album. We did We Are Never

Getting Back Together, I Knew You Were

Trouble, 22. Uh, Shake It Off, Blank

Space Style, Wildest Dreams.

>> Oh, hell yes.

>> Um,

you know, ready ready for it.

>> So, that's the that's the energy we're

going with. Yes, I understand why it's

orange now. Okay.

>> So, yeah, we've made we've made songs

that I'm so proud of.

>> There's going to be some [ __ ]

bangers. Yes. I I'm picking it up,

>> dude.

>> Yeah, it's it's like telling you it's

like that. And so basically, we've never

actually made an album before where

there where it's just the three of us.

There's no other collaborators. It's

just the three of us making a focused

album where I mean, it felt like it felt

like catching lightning in a bottle.

Honestly, we hadn't worked together in

like seven or eight years. And

>> this feeds this feeds.

>> They're just they're just something

there's something about them. They these

guys they like they're just geniuses in

in in different avenues in different

ways and

>> we kind of um

>> I'm going to put it down.

>> I'm just I've never like this today's

the first day I've seen it. Do you know

what I mean? I'm just like

>> so Travis is just going to cradle it the

whole time.

>> Don't drop the baby. I will not drop

this baby.

>> So it's like uh working with them again

was absolutely incredible. And actually

when I was on tour in Stockholm, I had

Max Martin come out to the show and I

was talking to him and I was like, I I

just feel like I feel like we could just

knock it out of the park if we went back

in and we did this all in Sweden and it

was just us three.

>> Like I want to I essentially said to

him, I want to be as proud of of an

album as I am of the Aeros Tour and for

the same reasons, you know, and

>> and he was like, do you understand what

kind of pressure that is?

>> Yeah. Say that is okay. I was like,

"Yeah,

>> why would you?" Yeah, we can try. So,

your entire career. Got it. Yeah, we can

do that on one album.

>> Let's do it.

>> Well, okay.

>> So, it's like, you know, I I spent time

in the time that we were off doing

different projects and he and Shelback

were doing different things and I was

making albums that were a little bit

more esoteric, like folklore.

>> She's so hot when she says these big

words.

>> You know what esoteric means?

>> I know. It's for a specific following.

>> Exactly. Exactly. Wait, what?

He He knows what that means. He pretends

he doesn't know what these words mean,

but he knows

>> means for a specific following, like a

specific genre of people.

>> He knows what it means.

>> Okay,

>> he's doing he does like he does like a

pretty I don't know what it means thing,

but he knows all the words and he knows

what they mean. And he may not have read

Hamlet, but I explained it to him.

>> Okay, there we go.

>> Don't tell my middle school English

teacher I didn't read.

>> So,

>> because I definitely was supposed to

spark notes. It's all right. I watched

The Lion King.

>> Yeah.

>> See, he knows what Hamlet is.

>> Wait, Lion King is based off a Hamlet.

>> Yes.

>> Jason, your Reddit searches need to be

more focused on

>> We need to get We need to get We need

your relationship with the internet to

be like a little bit purer.

>> Don't I I got the algorithm. I got the

>> My relationship with the stuff. My

relationship with the internet is bad.

It is. It's about as bad as it can get.

>> Yeah.

>> Sorry.

>> No, you're fine. So I was like I I I

made a few

>> records that were a bit more like

>> specific in their sound or whatever like

folklore Evermore. Those were a little

bit more like alt folk kind of leaning

and just kind of exploring and trying to

challenge myself as a writer. And I feel

like both Max and Shelbach did that too

in their own ways going out into the

world. And when we by the time we came

back together, I feel like we had so

much more dexterity to what we do. And

it's almost like we'd all grown up so

much like Shellback and I were both in

our early 20s when we started working

together, the three of us. And so it was

very much like we were the anus and Max

was the mentor. And this was the time

where it felt like all three of us in

the room were carrying the same weight

as creators. And it was really special.

It like meant the world to me to have

this creative experience where like we

knew that we had to bring the best ideas

we've ever had.

>> Yeah.

>> And I know I also know the pressure I'm

putting on this record by saying that,

but I don't care cuz I love it that

much. And I'm so proud of it. And it

just comes from like the most

>> infectiously joyful, wild, dramatic

place I was in in my life. Yeah.

>> And so that effervescence has come

through on this record and like as you

said bangers and

>> bangers

>> and we were just like

>> there's no other songs coming. It's not

like like with torture poets department

I was like here's a data dump of

everything I've thought felt like in two

or three years. Here's 31 songs. This is

12. There's not a 13th. There's not a

14. There's not other ones coming. This

is the record I've been wanting to make

for a very long time.

>> I love it. I love this so much. Can we

So, let's Where do we start? I don't

know where to start. You gave us a lot

of information right there.

>> I know. We didn't tell Jason that this

that that we were doing this. I just

said like, "Can I go on the podcast cuz

Brad Pitt did it and I want to do it,

too."

>> And Jason was like, "Yes." I mean, we

can make that happen. That seems like

the request or the ask from either one

of us was never going to come. I I don't

know why I would never ask you. I just I

I I don't know. Yeah. Brandon still

hates me because I never asked you, but

I think this is way better. We waited

till I had some stuff to say, I think.

There we go.

>> You know, I had to I I was waiting till

I had like a sparkly briefcase to bring.

>> I needed props. It took a long time to

put that into production.

>> So,

>> well, it is finished. And uh do you want

to tell everybody when it's coming out?

>> It comes out October 3rd.

>> October 3rd.

>> This album comes out October 3rd. It's

easy to remember. It's 103.

>> 103.

>> Still annoying. It is also your birthday

week. We got Wyatt October 2nd, we got

you October 5th, and then we got mom

October 9th. So, this is a good this is

a good month.

>> Yeah, I picked a good month.

>> It's gonna be a good week.

>> You know, all these Libras 10

>> 13 the opal burst.

>> I'm picking up this numerology. There we

go.

>> There we go.

>> See, I knew you could.

>> Never not annoying. Always going to try

to force a 13 into the situation. And

and this one was right there. It was

just right there. for the photos.

There's a lot more there are a lot more

photos in this and there's there's um a

poem in this and basically I love the

photography so much that I don't

>> want to show it right now because I want

to keep some mystery going um cuz that's

you know just fun to have things to

still discover.

>> But the photos are done by Mert and

Marcus who are two of my favorite

photographers. The last time I and the

only time I worked with them for an

album cover shoot was with Reputation

with that album and I loved what they

did with those photos. So, I called them

up for this one and I'm so happy with

the way that the photos came out for

this one. And it just basically was like

I was so proud of the music and so

excited about this project from a

creative standpoint that I was just like

all hands on deck. We're going all out.

This is a full send. Like, I care about

this record more than I could even

overstate.

It's so much fun and it it I mean I

understand what she's saying and

obviously I've uh I've been fortunate

enough to hear every single song on here

so I know they're all 12 bangers.

>> Um it's a lot more upbeat and it's a lot

more like fun pop like excitement and I

think that's that's a completely like

>> I think it's a complete 180 from a lot

of the songs on Torture Poets for sure.

>> Oh yeah.

>> And and it's just

>> life is more upbeat.

>> Well that's what I was about to say. It

probably do you find that your albums

mimic everything that's happening in

your personal life?

>> Yeah. Like

>> definitely

>> your genres that you've done are like so

wide spanning between like country, pop,

uh and then like it can get I don't even

know torture poets. It was like so

cathartic it felt like for you probably

to write those songs and to release all

that.

>> Definitely. And it was like I have

different goals with different albums.

Um, and Torture Poets Department, my

goals were strictly lyrical. Like I and

I I

>> felt like every song was a poem.

>> Oh, I Yeah. And I love that album so

much from that perspective. That was

strictly what I was trying to

accomplish. There was just really a full

catharsis and I loved to embrace the

mess of of writing from that perspective

of the rawness of that. This I have a

totally different set of goals. Yeah.

>> Um I always try to do something

completely different. That's what I'm

feeling at the moment. And I was feeling

a complete pivot um at this point in

time. And I wanted the album to feel the

way my life felt. And this completely

matches the way that my life has felt.

>> Uh and I I also wanted it to be just

every single song is on this album

>> for hundreds of reasons.

>> Yeah. you know, and and and you couldn't

take one out and it be the same album.

You couldn't add one and it be it's just

right. And that focus and that kind of

discipline with creating an album and

keeping the bar really high is something

I've been wanting to do for a very long

time. I tend to love to write lots and

lots of music. So, it's a temptation to

release lots of music.

>> Sure. I wanted to do an album that was

so focused on quality and on the theme

and everything fitting together like a

perfect puzzle

>> that these 12 songs for my 12th album it

just I feel like we achieved that and

I'm really happy about that.

>> So you mentioned a couple things there.

First, what is the theme of the album if

you would describe it as one like theme

if that's possible?

>> I would say it's everything that was

going on behind the curtain.

>> Okay. And then what are the goals? You

said something like there. What would be

like your main goals with this album?

>> My main goals were melodies that were so

infectious

>> that you're almost angry at it. Um, and

lyrics that are just as vivid

>> but crisp and focused and and completely

uh intentional.

>> Check.

>> So, it's like I feel like we actually

came together in a really beautiful way.

the three of us, Shellback, Max and I,

where we had a conversation about how

Max was like, "I loved folklore. I loved

the storytelling on folklore. I don't

want that to change." Like,

>> okay,

>> just because we're making these like

these infectious

anthems, like I don't want you to leave

that behind. And I was like, I don't

think I I couldn't if I tried. So, at

this point, I'm

>> I got some stuff to say.

>> I'm married to that kind of writing, you

know. And so it was really amazing that

we were able to without doing too much

overthinking, we were able to get in

there

>> and it was just ideas flying and all of

these ideas were like we've been waiting

years to

>> come back together and make this

project.

>> Felt really.

>> You are going to move. You are going to

do I have to wait till October 3rd. Do I

have to wait till October 3rd? You do,

Jason. God damn it. This is unfair.

>> We don't We don't trust you at all.

>> Yeah. I mean, honestly, smart.

I completely get it. Completely get it.

The artwork, how do you settle on a a

front piece of like artwork for an

album?

>> This represents the end of my night.

>> Okay.

>> Right. So, like when I'm on tour, I have

the same day every single day. It's

another reason why we have a very

similar life. His show, his game days

are the same days every day. My his

practice days are the same every day.

His meetings, his schedule, my show days

are the same every single day. I just

happen to be in a different city.

>> Yeah.

>> And my day ends with me in a bathtub,

not usually in a bedazzled dress.

>> Sure.

>> Well, it's it's got to be it's it's on

the front of it. It's got to be dressed

decent, you know?

>> Yeah.

>> I wanted to sort of like glamorize all

the different aspects of

how that tour felt. And that's how that

felt to like be at the end of the night

when all this has gone down. You won't

be able to get to bed till 4 in the

morning after this, but you had to

>> jump through 50 million hoops in this

obstacle course that is your show.

>> And

>> you did it. You got two more in a row,

>> but you did it tonight.

>> That's all that matters.

>> And the reason I wanted to have it sort

of like an off-stage moment as the the

main album cover is because this album

isn't really about what happened to me

on stage. It's about what I was going

through offstage.

>> So,

>> it's like a it's, you know, I didn't

want to have like the lights are bright,

I'm on the stage is the main album

cover. It's just this this to me tells

more of what the actual content contents

lyrically of the album are.

>> Got it.

>> Which is the the life

>> the life

>> the life of the showgirl. Not

>> Yeah.

>> what you're saying. It's the life.