The Hard Truth About Last Nights Election Losses

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line, and I and I go back to something

we talked about with Rich Baris last

week. And basically the polling sh shows

something that we need to confront and

be very aware of and be be honest about

and that is that a lot of people believe

that the things that President Trump

were elected on namely the economy,

immigration,

um energy prices, the affordability

crisis, those things are not being

addressed. They feel like the the

Republicans that were elected in

November are focusing too much on

foreign policy affairs. their their

attention is not on the domestic issues.

Now, do I think some of that is fair?

Sure. Do I think some of it's unfair? I

actually really think a lot of it's

unfair. I think that we have to wait for

some of these policies to take their

effect. But perception is reality. And

some of that perception is showing up in

the enthusiasm gaps between Democrats

and Republicans. And you saw that last

night. You saw a state like Virginia,

which Glenn Yncan held, uh, every single

county move to the left. Show 283.

Put 283 up there if you can. This is a

map of Virginia and every single county

moved to the left. There's not one red

arrow on that county. What's happening

is you're getting a lot of normie sort

of workingclass ethnic minority voters

that said, "Hey, Trump's good at making

me money. I had more money in my pocket

when President Trump was president the

first time who just come out to the

polls because they thought, "Hey, I'm

poor now. I'm going to I'm going to give

the other guy a shot." And they don't

feel that yet. They don't see it yet.

And again, perception is reality. We

have to do these big audacious crazy,

you know, policies where, you know, I I

mentioned to Rich Bears, we need a

Hoover Dam. I obviously we're not going

to be building a dam in 2025, but we

need these big visual markers to say,

"Hey, we're breaking ground on this big

thing. We're focusing on this big thing.

We're we're delivering for our voters."

And again, a lot of this is going to be

low propensity uh normie people that are

not checked into the political process

every day like a lot of you that are

watching this show, a lot of us that

follow this every day. They need big

wins that make them feel a certain way.

That make them feel like the politicians

they elected to office and to power are

doing the work that they they elected

them to do. It's the economy stupid. I

know that it's it's cliche at this

point, but that's true. We see that in

the polling. There's too much focus on

these these external affairs. The only

one uh of the domestic policy fronts

that President Trump is scoring high on

right now is immigration. So yes, that

becomes an animating issue for the left,

but ultimately people, the majority of

people are still happy that the border

is not overrun by illegals.

>> Well, and keep in mind, Andrew, so you

know, off election cycle elections, so

nontraditional

>> non-presidential years, really, even

midterms are

>> well, this is again, this isn't even a

midterm election. This is off

presidential cycle. So what happens is

that you have low turnout and and the

and the determining factor is who shows

up and who gets their people out. So you

have

>> it's two it's two points. I was about to

get to that point. So the first point is

enthusiasm gap. And right now just we're

just being honest here.

>> Enthusiasm drives turnout.

>> Yeah. Enthusiasm is down for us right

now because of a couple things. I think

again it's this foreign policy

>> fixation. Are are those wins important?

Yes. because they when we have peace in

the world, we're allowed to focus on

domestic issues. So, you almost have to

fix the the all the garbage that was

going on in order to be able to fixate

on the domestic policy issue. But it

again, perceptions, reality, we need to

as many of these foreign trips and all

this stuff. It's really important. It's

good. We need to actually message

equally if not way more so on the

domestic wins, the domestic achievements

here, right? And then you part you pair

that with an enthusiasm gap. You pair

that with uh something that data

Republican uh mentioned really quick.

Throw up image 300 and she's looking

across Indeed and the the job sites and

she found over 6,000 jobs for

grassroots. These are civic engagement

people. This would be ballot chasers on

the left. Now make so so here's here's

the the the pairing of these two these

two nodes. You've got to have the

infrastructure to drive low propensity

voters out, but you also have have to

have policy wins and candidates that are

enthus that that that inspire

enthusiasm. It's a both end. All right.

So, in 2024, Kla Harris still had and

the Democrats still had the edge on

ballot uh ground ground game stuff. They

had more people out in the field. My mom

in Nevada swing state had her door

knocked on about 14 times. She was

throwing out all of this the paperwork

they were leaving the pamphlets and all

this stuff because she didn't want to

vote for Kamla. It didn't matter. She My

mom's a kind of a swing voter actually.

She's kind of she's proudly independent.

I tried I've been working on her for

years. But the point is because she was

she was on their radar. She got hit up a

lot. Okay. It didn't matter cuz the the

forla she was a bad candidate. Okay.

Trump was coming in after a disastrous

four years. People were ready for

change. Okay. So, you have to pair up

enthusiasm with ground game. And when

they have 6,000 job postings on the

Democrat side to get out ground game and

knock on doors, that is a heck of a

mountain to climb when you're

conservatives with a low prop voting

base in an off-year election. Okay. So,

the point is this. Focus on domestic.

Focus on policy wins. Perception is

reality. You have to show, tell, and and

reveal to the audience the things that

you're doing for them to make their

their lives easier and better, to make

them richer. And then finally, you have

to build the infrastructure. We have to

keep building. A lot of people think

Turning Point can be in 50 states.

That's not that's not really going to

ever happen, okay? There's limited

resources. The donor class has to align

with the with the new realities of

elections and the new realities of the

conservative base. And that is that we

are a low prop party that's lacking in

enthusiasm. and the coalition that we

built, we've done a lot to actually

alienate them and we have to be honest

about that.

>> Well, and you brought up something

really important, Andrew, is again look

a look back at Glenn Yncan's race and

Glenn Yncan's a very nice guy. I just

was in a room with him this week and he

speaks very well and he uh I think he's

appealing to a lot of

>> course he's a great candidate. I mean,

you can disagree with him at call him

like a rhino or something. Not true

maga. I'm telling you, the guy's a great

candidate for a state like Virginia.

>> Well, but let's look back four years

ago. Let's look back at to when he ran.

Uh he when he ran, he won because the

moms showed up big time

>> because if you remember the enthusiasm

so the enthusiasm wave that he he wrote

on was remember there was this entire

uh scuffle that was happening across the

state of Virginia where parents were

showing up to schoolboard meetings and

that gave them the wave, the enthusiasm

lift for him to win. Well, let's check

this out. So, throw up image 296. I

think this is really telling. Virginia

AG race by gender. Look at this. So,

this again, this is Jay Jones who

proudly fetishizes killing his political

oppon opponents. Doubles down even when

the person on the other end of the text

is telling him that they're

uncomfortable with the way he's talking.

Females 61%

to 44. So, for Jones,

>> so Andrew, let me

>> 61 to 44.

>> Let me spell this out for everyone. if

you have a 20 plus percent and in a lot

of cases it's more than 20% a 20 to 30%

differential on candidates uh for

females. So the left, they're voting for

leftists by 20 to 30 points in in

addition. And then our males, you saw

the numbers, our men are not matching

the same numbers. Are not matching the

same numbers, but it's close. Men are

voting for the Republicans by 15 to 20

points.

>> Yeah, it's a 55 to 39.

>> But here's the problem. 16 point edge.

If fewer men show up to vote and more

women show up to vote, then they have a

dramatic

differential in that. So again, a

presidential, you have about the same

amount of men and women who show up to

vote. In a off election year, you have a

lot more women potentially show up to

vote. I don't have the data in front of

me for Virginia, but I can just tell you

right now by the outcome is that a lot

more women showed up to vote than men.

And because of that differential, you're

going to lose every time.

>> Absolutely. Well, and this is this is

was a big story in 2024, how we drove

the men out. I mean, there was articles

written about Turning Point targeting

men with text campaigns. I mean, and you

had the entire they were calling it the

manosphere and the Rogan effect and the

and all this stuff. Well, guess what?

Men are harder to get out to the polls

than women. Women just vote more. They

just vote more often. They're more

predictable voters and they tend to be

prone to emotional arguments that

Democrats make. Check out this this

image 297. This is Virginia by how many

children do you have? And if you have

them, uh, then you voted for Miaris, the

Republican candidate. If you don't, you

voted for Jay Jones. So, there's another

dynamic there. Let's go to New Jersey

and go by age. This one's terrifying,

Blake. And I think you should chime in

on this.

>> We're just getting I mean

>> I mean, so all the gains that we had

with young people, and I'll never forget

this. I mean, I I don't want to spill

too many beans here.

I'll never forget this. This is uh image

298, but there were at least three

instances where Charlie called the

administration and said all the gains

that we we we saw in that election with

young people, you guys are jeopardizing

them. I'll just put it

>> guys like I think let's not beat around

the bush here, guys. This went bad

because right now Trump is an unpopular

president. I'm just going to lay it out.

President Trump's approval rating on

average is about 42%. His disapproval is

55%. today at the average today is the

lowest it's been his entire second term.

>> Yeah.

>> And if you're an the guy at the top is

not that popular. It's going to have a

cascading effect down the ballot. And if

you look at individual issues, he's

underwater on inflation. He's underwater

on trade. He's underwater on the

economy. All of those by over 15 points.

He's even underwater on immigration by

5%. Yep.

>> And you know, some of that you can

debate, oh, is it because they want it

faster versus slower?

Besides the point, he's underwater. He's

the guy at the top and that's going to

affect things. I think the economy has a

is a huge deal. If you look at the

numbers, the economy overall is shaky.

The economy for people under 30 is

catastrophic. Hiring for entry level

positions in the US is horrible right

now.

>> Well, and a lot of that you're seeing

these

>> the average age the average age of a

first-time home buyer is over is just

eclipsed 40 years old. It's gone up, I

think, 9 years or something or seven

years in like 5 years total. It It's

going up. The average age of a home

buyer is rising faster than the passage

of time.

>> And and you and let's make this point.

You in most states, you cannot win an

election if you lose the under 40 vote.

>> Is Julie Spillsberry claiming that

Turning Point's huge and that we bust in

a bunch of like ballot chasers or

something? 292.

>> Turning Point's huge. They're a national

organization. They have a ton of money.

They have a ton of volunteers. There

were probably 30 volunteers at the

polling place today. Tons of people were

flown in from out of state. Lots of

people told me that people knocked on

their door that weren't even from

Arizona. How do I fight that? How do I

fight that? And the recall would never

have been successful without Turning

Points. Employees, over 30 of them out

knocking doors that are not from Mesa.

>> I mean, thank you for the ad. I I live

in Mesa, Julie. I mean, she already

knows this. She she she uh was trying to

tell all her friends that, you know, I'm

a good person and why is Tyler going

out? We had all of these people that

were knocking doors are all our

Arizonans. Uh we've got dozens of staff

hired and hired up for Mesa, not just

for the Mesa recall, but also for the

upcoming SRP and Andy Biggs election.

Mhm.

>> And so, but yeah, I mean, you can't have

a better ad than that of the vast

majority

>> the libs the libs saying turning points

too big and they know what they're doing

too well. So,

>> I know it's a great it's a great clip.

Let's let's let's turn our attention

because that was a was a huge feather in

the cap of uh turning point action here

in Arizona, but let's turn our attention

to New Hampshire. So, tell us what

happened in New Hampshire. There was a

special election

>> uh there in Berlin, right?

>> Let's put up Yeah, we just got it. Let's

put up two uh I think they still haven't

loaded it yet, but yeah, there's a

special election in New Hampshire. New

Hampshire has extremely small state

house seats. I think they have the

largest

>> per capita.

>> Yeah, they have the uh most per capita.

They have I think the third largest

legislature of any kind in the English

speakaking world. It's like the House of

Commons, the House of Representatives,

and then the New Hampshire State

Assembly. It has 400 some people in it,

I think.

>> Oh, jeez.

>> And uh let's put up 294.

>> Yeah, there it is.

>> So, this is Davis Miller, one of our

guys. He says, "Special elections are

all about turnout. This special election

was decided by 13 votes. Turning Point

Action had two Superchase events there

ahead of this week's election. And you

know, when it's 13 votes, that probably

did directly make the difference."

>> Absolutely.

>> Yeah. Our team was on the ground. We

have an incredible team in New

Hampshire. We're one of the only

national organizations to have full-time

local staff. Uh both Davis and Lisa that

we have on our team are are leaders

there. We're going to be hiring up

actually dozens more people in the state

of New Hampshire uh for this ahead of

2026 and 2028. But uh this is this is

where it's all about. The only two

states that really had this significant

impact are both Arizona and New

Hampshire yesterday. New Hampshire

skewed right. It wasn't just so they

gained seats in the legislature

including the special election uh that

was decided by 13 votes where our team

had actually done ballot chasing

initiatives. Uh we also had a a huge

mayoral election. So the biggest city in

New Hampshire is Manchester. Uh it's not

the capital, but it's the biggest city.

And uh a a conservative won the may the

mayor race yesterday that was there for

for Manchester, which is a huge deal

when you look at the rest of the country

where we had every I mean we a lot of

these big cities, you don't even have a

Republican running for a mayor. uh a

Republican one in Manchester and and

again the pathway to 2028,

you know, directly goes through Arizona

and New Hampshire.

>> Well, and that's that's I want to give

people a little bit of a sense of where

this is going. We are, and I mentioned

this last night on the stream, but for

those listening now, there is there is a

I see this on X a lot where they're

like, you got to get into this race and

why isn't Turning Point coming out here

earlier and why isn't Listen,

if somebody wants to fund something,

that's one thing, but we have a

disconnect with our donor class of what

they're willing to invest money in.

Okay, so for example, we had people in

New Jersey, we had people in PA, we had

all this stuff. Did we have enough?

Obviously not. But secondly, you know,

is anybody going to fund it? Yeah, let's

be real. The turn like for example us

flipping Arizona last year. This was not

we had some superchase events. This was

we had fulltime staffers handling quite

small geographical areas knocking on

doors regularly knocking on doors

repeatedly following up getting to know

building the relationships in all these

local areas. Well, that is bluntly not a

cheap thing to do. It's not an easy

thing to do.

>> There's a calculation for it, Blake. I

mean it's really simple. We've done all

the math. We can show you the math of

what it takes for each of these states.

And it's really simple. It just breaks

down to how many votes exist out there

that are low propensity. Are enough

chasable to win? And how many bodies do

you need to cover those?

>> Just so you know, we we had I mean, I

don't want to give away the the inside

scoop here, but yeah, there's a very

small population that you put a you put

a staffer on. Very very small. So, but

here's here's what I want to say. Like I

think there's this tendency in and you

see this on X after Charlie's

assassination to sort of like think oh

turning points like so gargantuan that

we can be in all 50 states. That's not

at all how it was. Charlie was very good

about saying no. Okay. He was saying no

to bad investments and he would focus

turning points attention and that's what

we're doing. We are very focused on

building a red wall that can that can

literally uh make their models have to

go into very unfavorable territory in

2026.

>> One thing we didn't talk about yet was

that it looks like the uh goose is

cooked on the Minneapolis uh mayoral

race. Uh Omar Fate looks like lost in

rank choice voting. They have rank

choice voting

>> that's implemented in in in Minneapolis.

So, this is the rare occasion where Deep

Blue City rank choice voting actually

benefits a little bit and uh Jacob Fry

uh looks like he has squeaked it out by

a few thousand votes.

>> Wow. Win-win uh win-win for the uh I

guess the old school Democrats there,

>> the rank choice voting. But but again,

this is what this is. I'm going to say

that I don't know what what how people

respond to this,

>> but we were commenting even in the cold

open of this show and you were listening

to like he's like, "I got four words for

you." This is uh Mom Donnie to Trump or

was it Yeah, it was Trump. He goes, "I

have four words for you. Turn the volume

up." And I I looked at Blake. I was

like, damn, he's talented.

>> Omar Fatah was not talented.

>> Not talented.

>> Not talented at all. No, neither is

Jacob Fry. But I mean, here's the thing.

You had two things happen in the mayoral

race in New York City. You had Cuomo

who's got more baggage than a than a,

you know, American Airlines, you know,

cross-country trip. He's got a ton of

baggage. Okay. The guy's got sexual

assaults. He basically his policies

contributed to killing old people and

nursing homes. I mean, the guy's got a

lot of baggage in New York. And it was

actually a little closer than we

expected. I mean to be fair right a lot

of the sleewa vote ended up going over

and and and going with um with Cuomo

>> almost unexpectedly because Donnie is

talented.

>> He's a very talent and I think he's

probably the the leading Democrat

competing with AOC as far as just energy

from the base.

>> Yeah. I mean he's a popular guy.

Although again with AOC, keep in mind

some of this is Republicans, people

watching Fox and stuff. they they like

to fixate on

>> they're the ones that keep mascot

Democrats as well. So I don't know that

you want to leap to the conclusion that

he's the immediate head of the party. We

can anoint him the head of the party, I

suppose. But

>> well, listen, he's if he's not the guy,

okay, fine. He's one of the guys. Okay,

but and here's the other thing. We've

talked about this a lot, Blake. the the

youth vote that the gains we made in the

youth vote in 2024 were fickle

>> things like bombing around.

>> Let's just be honest about it. The

Epstein Picasso like all of this stuff

has been chipping away and then and then

they they still don't feel like they can

buy a home. There's been no moonshot. I

mean I'll never forget Charlie calling

for the moonshot. We need 10 million

homes. We need to make and by the way

>> that's real it's easy to say like we

need a moonshot. That's actually a

hugely difficult problem to solve. Like

if you want to do that, you need to

aggressively radically deregulate a lot

of what restricts home building right

now. You'd have to it's actually a

serious problem that takes effort to

solve. You'd have to look to imitate the

states that have a lot of home building.

Uh that that would probably be, you

know, I bet Texas is pretty good at it.

I think the Dakotas are pretty good at

it. Florida, I imagine, is pretty good

at it. And you have to generalize those

and like push those along. It's, you

know, it's easy to say do a moonshot.

Landing on the moon was hard. There's a

reason we can't do it anymore. We're not

the country that landed on the moon in

196.

>> We're going to have to we're going to

have to find that country again. And and

by the way, there's a there's a huge

dynamic in New York that we haven't even

got to this hour. The hour flies so

fast, but just foreignb born voters in

New York and in Virginia went

overwhelmingly for mom Donnie and the

Democrats.

>> So, you've got foreigners pouring in.

They're voting Democrat. You got young

people that came over, gave us a shot,

but they were not locked in, and we've

done a lot to alienate those. So, so you

got there's multiple things here that we

got to fix, focus on our attention on.

You are sort of famous because you

coined this term luxury beliefs, right?

And I remember you guys' interview. I

actually uh watched it happen live over

over they connected me uh so I was

watching it on a on a Zoom feed. And you

know, I think it's really key that

you're here today. And when Blake Blake

was like, "Hey, you know, he's going to

be in town. We should have him back in

and it's going to be the day after mom

Donnie likely becomes the the next mayor

of or gets elected to become the next

mayor of New York City." So, when you

pair some of the writing and the

thinking and the work that you've done

on luxury beliefs and you think about

that in relation to Mom Donnie just

getting elected in New York City, I

mean, he is the living embodiment of

what it means to have a luxury belief, I

think, in some ways. Or you could argue

the opposite, right? like his supporters

are going to argue the opposite.

>> Yeah. Well, you know, one thing that I

had spoken about with Charlie uh was,

you know, I'd written multiple pieces um

expressing my concerns about the

possible election of mom Donnie. And in

one of those pieces, I said, "This is,

you know, think about the most obnoxious

person you could possibly run into at an

Ivy League kamas encampment." And you

know what should come to mind is someone

like mom Donnie like that is the person.

And he, you know, at that time he was

about to be elected and now he is going

to be the mayor. And yeah, it was

alarming and he he is the luxury beliefs

candidate. Um, you know, socialism has

always appealed to highly educated

people and he is unapologetic about it

and a lot of his ideas u globalize the

inifod city-run grocery stores, you

know, free public transport. A lot of I

mean, you know, these ideas are are just

empirically um going to make things

worse. But uh in his mind and in the

mind of a lot of his supporters who are

so disconnected from reality, they've

just decided to go this route. Luxury

beliefs, which I define as ideas and

opinions that confer status on the

credentialed and the affluent while

inflicting costs on the lower classes.

And a core feature of a luxury belief is

that the believer is sheltered from the

consequences of his or her beliefs. And

of course, Mum Donnie is um you know,

kind of a an archetype of of this type

of person because he was raised by a

filmmaker and an Ivy League professor.

Um, you know, he went to Bowden, uh,

which, you know, his his alma mater has

more, uh, students from families in the

top 1% of the income scale than the

entire bottom 60%. He spent his whole

life cocooned in affluence. And now he's

positioning himself as a man of the

people, a man of the working class. Um,

but that was not the demographic that

came out for him. You know, the exit

polling showed that uh you know, when

you break down the results by education

level, uh 57% of college graduates came

out for Mandani versus only uh 38% of

working-class non-educated voters.

>> So, one thing you might have some

insight on, do you think it is a sort of

cocooned

elite that is voting for him? Because

another argument people have made is,

yeah, they're higher on the income

scale, but they're also the very

precarious high-income ones where maybe

they make a six-figure income, but they

also can't afford a flat in New York.

They can't live the way they probably

lived growing up in suburbia with their

parents. And so they feel very

downwardly mobile even if in they're in

the upper half or upper fifth of New

York's incomes.

>> Yeah. Yeah. you know, and I've been

posting about this too, that obviously

uh you know, Mandani did not win the

working class and people have um

countered by by saying, you know, like

yeah, there's there maybe they have

college degrees and they're comfortable,

but they don't see a path uh on to

owning a house or something along those

lines. And I just think it's important

to point out that there is a very strong

difference between uh actual uh poverty

versus the kind of what gentile poverty

of a young person, a young college

educated person in New York. Because

yes, maybe at the moment they're

struggling, but they have options. They

don't have to live there. They have a

degree. They have contacts. They have

cultural capital. Um they have options

in a way that a blueco collar

working-class person in New York City

doesn't. And so they're not in the same

boat. You know, people will say, "Oh,

well, yeah, I have a degree, but I'm

still working class." Like that's not

that's not how uh you know sociologists

would define class.

>> Yeah. Let's put up 305. This is uh which

best describes your education. So mom

Donnie got 39% of never attended

college.

>> Uh uh look if you go all the way up to

advanced degree. He got 57% of bachelor

degree and 57% of advanced degree.

>> So so he is essentially but here's

here's what's interesting. I mean, he's

pushing forward tax hikes.

>> Mhm.

>> For well, wider and wealthier

neighborhoods. But, you know, even Kathy

Hokll saying he's not going to be able

to get these things done, but he's he's

promising free stuff. This is free

stuff populism.

>> Uh, you could call it socialism. It's I

mean, we we could quibble on terms, but

essentially this is a left-wing populist

>> candidate, right?

>> Um, what is it about these people that

do not that that that they don't seem to

make the connection that he's going to

cost them? Is it just is it just

basically I want to help the the the

lower class and this is how I'm going to

do it? Like what's the motivation behind

people that he's actually going to

target? His policies are going to hurt,

but they're voting for him,

>> right? Well, I think what's going on

here is that people never consider

themselves a member of the elite or the

upper class. It's always the people who

are ahead of them. those are the people

who are going to be taxed or who are

going to have to pay uh excess penalties

you know and they themselves will be

sort of safeguarded from this you know

sometimes I I'll talk about uh if you

track Bernie Sanders speeches over the

last 10 years back in 2015 during the

Democratic primaries he would always

talk about you know the millionaires and

the billionaires and and you know the

millionaire class and the billionaire

class and then you know you go go

through 2017 2019 and and now he just

talks about billionaires because at some

point in the last 10 years he became a

millionaire and now he exempted himself

And now no, the millionaires are going

to be safe. Uh but now we're just going

to go after the billionaires. You know,

if your family, you know, your dad is

worth $und00 million, he's going to be

protected because he doesn't have uh a

billion dollars.

>> Yeah. Fascinating.

>> It does feel there's something different

that and we might have to go into the

next segment with this, but it feels

like there's something a little bit

different with Mandani versus Bernie

Sanders socialism of 2016 or 2020. And I

think it's it's when it's what comes up

when people describe him as kind of

having this third worldist edge, which

partly that's just that he is of

immigrant origin, but I think there's

maybe you can weigh in on this. There's

something to the idea that he represents

this attitude that does want to punish

the West sort of like there's almost

this attitude of wanting to lay low, you

know, like historic, you know, the

wealthier whiter neighborhoods as it

were.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's like a griev some

sort of grievance that goes into

grievance. This is a full mask off

moment.

>> Yeah. You know, some people call this

the the green red alliance, right? Green

meaning uh sort of Islamist and then red

meaning communist. And you know, there's

this sort of anti-colonialist

streak. Uh Mani's father uh recently

wrote a book singing the praises of

Idiomin, uh the Ugandan dictator who was

responsible for, you know, massacres of

his people. and you know, but because he

was on the progressive left and I don't

know, maybe that wasn't real socialism

or whatever it was, right? There's

always this apologetic stance uh

whenever these uh uh ideologies go ary.

Um but yeah, I think that that attitude,

right, that the you know, think go back

to the the Ivy League Kamas encampment

type of person where they want to punish

the west and they believe that um you

know there's there's some kind of a

restitution that's due and you know this

is one one path to to get there. But

what's interesting to me is that you

know uh if you break down the the exit

polling data from uh the election,

Mandani also he he won white voters um

barely. Yes. And by the way if SA

wouldn't have gotten I think he got 8%

of the white vote uh SA and Cuomo would

have

>> but but the fact that it was basically

they split it between Cuomo and and Mom

Donnie.

>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, many of

those white voters are, you know, they

they went through the education system

and they were taught that, you know, the

West is um irredeemably flawed and that

we need to revamp the entire system that

we um you know, need to to change

everything. Well, here's a clip from

Charlie, actually, 254 talking about

just that. 254

>> New York City is about to elect a Muslim

socialist and went totally viral. People

said, "What are you talking about?" No

one's even heard of this guy. his base

of support are the people that have been

educated to a place of stupidity. I

wrote the entire book the college scam

for a reason because I said the colleges

are introducing idea toxins and

philosophical pathogens that will

deteriorate and will destabilize the

United States of America. His base are

the people that have the most college

degrees. So basically the people that

are the richest, the most sheltered, and

the most out of touch with the everyday

concerns.

And that's really the dynamic that

you're seeing is that you're seeing

people without college degrees went

Cuomo went

>> SLA. Yeah. And and the people with the

degrees and with the advanced degrees

went for Mumani. And I haven't seen any

data on this, but I would be willing to

bet some non-trivial sum of money that

uh if you looked at the selectivity of

the college, how expensive the college

was, uh the more expensive the college,

the more likely they were to vote for

Mom Donnie. You know, the state schools

and and others. I don't think those

people were nearly as enthusiastic. Um,

and you see that pattern all throughout

the higher education system that the

more expensive the college, the more

likely you are to see encampments and

protests and locking themselves in the

president's office and agitating. And

those are the schools. I mean, they

select for that type of person. You

know, the Ivy League schools have their

choice for um, you know, they have

thousands of applicants who have perfect

SAT scores and that's what they're

that's not what they're optimizing for.

They're optimizing for revolutionaries.

This was made explicit I think in 2020

or 2021. Uh Yale uh one of their uh

admiss staff uh openly stated that we

are selecting for students who uh are uh

you know want want to revamp society,

want to change everything um have this

forward thinking vision. You know this

kind of coded language but essentially

they were selecting for people who were

on the far left.

>> You know you guys know about the Ivys

more than I would.

>> You guys are both Ivy Leagues, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Regrettably,

>> whatever.

>> You guys are part of the problem. I want

you to know that it does seem

interesting though that it's almost like

>> it's it's I think of how in in Mexico,

you know, the PR party, the party of

like institutional revolution or like

perpetual revolution that to define sort

of a certain class of American society,

the elite educated part as you

definitionally have to sort of want to

tear down or radically change society.

And I it just strikes me as something

that could be really destructive over

time if you know, okay, well, we did the

easy things to tear down. What are the

harder things to tear down now? And I

think of that with Mandani where he

wants to close Rikers and mess up the uh

New York's public schools. There's a lot

of damage he can do to that city,

>> right? Instead of just being a good

steward, right? Like being like I mean

that's you know, ideally you would want

your elites and aspirational elites to

be good stewards for the city, the

country that they're governing. and

instead it's well let me find all the

flaws and then introduce all these

policies that have historically always

failed.

>> There was one bright spot. There was a

there was a Okay, listen. There was

actually a few maybe bright spots. One

extraordinarily bright spot and that was

here in Mesa, Arizona and the Turning

Point Action team led the charge on

that. the grassroots rose up and and

ousted in a in a really difficult

scenario

uh Spillsberry who was the Republicans

for Kamla leader in the state of

Arizona. So Tyler Boyer, why don't you

tell us uh the backstory there?

>> Yeah, I mean this was this was covered

by the New York Times. Um I'm dropping

in the chat if we want to throw it up.

Politico uh brought this up. Uh this is

a a huge race. So essentially what

happened was uh the face of Republicans

for Kamla. So you want to talk about

Soros type uh funded ventures, you had

this entire mind

uh f whatever you want to call it that

happened in 2020 and 2024 where they

funded these fake Republicans for Biden

and then Republic and later became

Republicans for Harris uh or

conservatives for Harris and all the key

swing states. So the face of this

organization in many ways was the mayor

of Mesa, Arizona. His name was John

Giles. He got termed out and so was done

this last year. And his his former vice

mayor uh Julie Spillsbury who both were

LDS, both were Mormon. Uh and they were

running the as the face of this national

operation that was abandon Trump if

you're Republican and vote against him

in 2024.

uh she he spoke at the DNC. She was very

vocal. She was on advertisements, you

know, with, you know, espousing, you

know, her elected position that she

should be trusted. And this is like

Alinsky tactics 101 is use all these

things to try to persuade uh kind of the

the more feeble voter uh the people that

don't know as much going on and saying,

"Oh, everybody's voting against Trump."

and so therefore I should too.

>> All right. So what are the lessons here

from this local race that we can

extrapolate to the national scene?

>> So this is the heart of the I mean these

types of of uh SCOPs some people call

them these type of these type of things

that happen within politics are at the

heart of how they control the narrative

around these elections. So we ran uh or

I mean we didn't run it the grassroots

ran it. he supported it fully was

removing this person from office. To

recall or remove someone from office is

one of the most difficult things that

you can do within politics. But this is

so important to do when people try to

run these type of operations and it was

hard work. You have to go out uh recruit

all of the people to do it. You have to

collect the petitions and then

ultimately win the election. this lady

last year the significance of this in

Arizona this is one of the biggest

cities in America it's like top 35

cities

>> this is actually Maricopa is like the

fifth largest metro area all all in not

I know not me Mesa specifically but

people need to understand how big this

is

>> it's the fourth largest metropolitan

area in the country and it's and uh the

Phoenix metro area so Phoenix Mesa is

usually how it's referred to

>> is the most conservative out of the big

metro areas so this is like target

number one for the Democrats to topple

The Democrats want to turn Maricopa

County blue for obvious reasons. They we

all know all of the uh hanky panky

that's gone on with elections and

everything else. That's getting somewhat

corrected. Uh not fully as much as we'd

like, but getting in there. This is the

target, prime target number one. And so

this is why they choose people like this

to lead the face of these type of

operations. And this is why it's so

important to remove these people from

office because it's the heart of it.

>> They would recruit a a Mormon to do

this, too. So, I just want to like I

want to crystallize this for everybody.

>> This is a recall election where it's an

R versus an R. That's the toughest type

of election to educate a population

that's kind of checked out. It's an

offcycle off-year election. They see

which R am I choosing? Right? And so,

you have to then do the grassroots work,

the door knocking in order to get this

over the top. And

>> because one one this is how they do it,

right? So one is like a a fraudulent

Republican that's that has the backing

of all the Democrats.

>> It's a Republican for Kamla.

>> Yeah. It's all the backing of all the

Democrat party. So basically to win this

election, you have to overcome the

establishment. Some people refer it to

as the uni party. And then you have to

also tackle the Democrat party.

>> Yeah. Because they're not going to run a

Democrat in this district because it's

so conservative. So they're they're

they're putting a wolf in sheep's

clothing to come and do this in in a

place like Mesa.

>> Yeah. And because they're trying to flip

Mesa, right? Like go they're over time

they want to make Mesa blue. And so

they've they've they've been fairly

successful at this in years past. And uh

you're basically even in a place where

it's 60% Republican. That's that's like

this district. This district's like 50

55 60% Republican. But again, it's like

30 plus% 40% Democrat. You have to again

win basically all the Republicans.

educate all the Republicans to vote

against her. So, so yesterday that was

the huge bright spot was this leader,

this was a national leader in a swing

state,

>> a national leftist leader in a

>> state. And let me just back that up.

There was Axios, there was Politico,

there was New York Times. They were all

out here on a on a city council race

>> following everything. He's following

everything. They're calling everybody

like harassing everybody on the team

trying to make this a national

referendum because what they were hoping

was that we were going to fail and that

that Julie Spillsberry was going to be

reelected and we're going to see oh this

another referendum on Trump. Well, it

didn't work out that way. And uh Turning

Point action I mean hat tip to you guys.

You guys were on this from the jump. I

mean it was spearheaded by the

grassroots right and people were like

well why are you getting so involved

it's like well listen our grassroots

wants to be involved in this. We're

going to have their backs. We're going

to be a voice for the grassroots and

muscular class. We're not going to let

this just go un unnoticed and un

unresolved here. So, yeah, of course

we're going to support the grassroots.

>> And of course, it's also this is I mean

this is Charlie cared a lot about making

Phoenix and Arizona as conservative as

Republican as possible.

>> Well, you have to look at how they

react. Politico has a headline a few

days ago. This is like the first test of

Turning Point as an actual

>> you know muscle in politics. You you

have to Blake in order just to flip the

state because if where as Phoenix goes,

the Phoenix metropolitan area goes,

Arizona goes, as Arizona goes,

statistically the presidency goes.

>> Yeah. And also when people don't realize

this is that these things are so

critical because if you lose them,

>> it gives it emboldens the left to spend

millions more dollars in your swing

state to win the next big election.

Today, the Democrats woke up going,

"Wow, they mean business. Maybe we

shouldn't invest the millions more

dollars into that state next election

cycle because it's not worth it. We need

to come up with a different strategy to

win in 2028." That is exactly what we

want them to do.

>> Well, if you run the models there, it's

like what is it like 70% of the Democrat

models to win a nationwide presidential

race go through Arizona.

>> That's right. So, if you break the back

of the Democrat party in this state, you

demoralize them, and you let them know

like, "Hey, there's a new sheriff in

town. We're not going to be messed with,

and we're going to pour a ton of

resources and manpower into this state."

Well, guess what? Their models get a lot

trickier, a lot more difficult. And so,

that's why we're we're we are not going

anywhere in the state of Arizona. As a

matter of fact, Tyler, safe to say we

are doubling, tripling down uh in the

future. Yes, sir.

That's right.