The Most Classified Woman in America Speaks out: Secret CIA operation in Iran | with Sibel Edmonds

Okay, so it's a CIA operation, but they use the military, US military convoys, dozens of them, carrying thousands of

these ISIS terrorists from northern Syria into Iraq, north of Baghdad, right next to the US military base that they

supposedly evacuated. They didn't. They

supposedly evacuated. They didn't. They

evacuated most military personnel, but it has been used as a CIA operation base.

>> Okay, so let's start with the official story. Since the US launched its air

story. Since the US launched its air campaign against Iran about I think we are now in the third week, we've been getting a narrative. And I use that word

deliberately because what we're actually getting is less of a coherent argument and much more of a a rotating menu of justifications.

In my soon to be released ebook, this type of justification multiplication is one of the six techniques I described that show you exactly that what you

believe is being managed. In the case of Iran, we are being told it's nuclear weapons, the missiles, security, human rights, regime change, evil regime.

Remember, they are bad people. The guy

said the orange man in the White House.

Pick your flavor. The framing keeps shifting, but the through line is always exactly the same. It's necessary. This

is how it's being sold. This is

necessary. We have to do this. We have

no choice. which, and here's where this gets interesting, necessary is doing an enormous amount of work in that little sentence. It's not an argument, it's a

sentence. It's not an argument, it's a closure device. It's the rhetorical

closure device. It's the rhetorical equivalent of trust me. When you hear necessary without the mechanics of why, that's the moment to start asking

questions.

And here are the questions nobody really is answering. How long has this war been

is answering. How long has this war been prepared? Who was in the room? What was

prepared? Who was in the room? What was

promised and to whom? And what happens next when all of this is over? Not wake

geopolitical next concrete operational next. Now that's exactly where Cibil

next. Now that's exactly where Cibil Edmons comes in. And if you don't know that name, you should. Cybil was an FBI linguist. She was hired, I believe,

linguist. She was hired, I believe, right after September 11th. And she was given access to some of the most sensitive counter intelligence operations in the United States. And

what she found got her virtually gagged.

Evidence of coverups, foreign infiltration. Guess by which country and

infiltration. Guess by which country and criminal conduct reaching deep into the US government. And I don't mean this

US government. And I don't mean this loosely. I mean it literally. The

loosely. I mean it literally. The

Justice Department silenced her. The

State Department silenced her. The FBI

tried to silence her. They didn't just classify her work. They classified her degrees, her languages, her date of birth for crying out loud. Which, I

mean, when you classify the birthday of somebody, I think something's going on.

But she fought back through the courts, through Congress, and eventually through her own writing, including a novel. A

novel in quotation marks. She was

legally forced to publish a fiction work because the truth it contained was too classified to print as fact.

Let's consider this for a second. The

legal structure of the United States compelled a whistleblower to call her testimony a story. Not sure if that was the reason, but civil has been largely

absent from media and social media platforms for quite a while. That's not

an accident. That's well actually that's a pattern worth naming. When someone

gets systematically excluded from platforms the instinct of the audience is to ass to kind of assume it's because they're fringe or unreliable or

dangerous. But sometimes that exclusion

dangerous. But sometimes that exclusion is the signal. Sometimes that's exactly what you're supposed to think.

Meanwhile, more and more policies are being implemented that nudge us all step by step into the direction of an autocratic or even authoritarian bureaucracy. And it doesn't matter if

bureaucracy. And it doesn't matter if you live in the US or in Europe. So,

here's what makes this conversation different from most of the Iran analysts you find filling the screens everywhere right now. Cibil isn't

working from think tank reports or open source intelligence. She has built a

source intelligence. She has built a national security whistleblower coalition. What? What a mouthful.

coalition. What? What a mouthful.

154 members drawn from CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, DEA. And she has maintained those

DIA, DEA. And she has maintained those relationships over time. So when she describes secret meetings between Trump, Erdogan and Israeli officials,

when she traces the movement of thousands of ISIS fighters from Syrian prisons through US military convoys into

covert CIA bases north of Baghdad, when she explained why the so-called Syria model is being seriously considered and actually already being implemented as a

ground strategy for Iran, she's not speculating. ing she's reporting and

speculating. ing she's reporting and when she does heads of state not only notice but feel compelled to react to Cibil's post on Twitter as just recently

happened when she reported on the US Turkey Israel plot that I've just described a minute ago and the broader context here is look this matters the

United States is now openly at war with the country of give or take 90 million people ground troop deployment is being seriously discussed Even tactical

nuclear options are reportedly on the table in both Washington and Tel Aviv.

No surprise there. Angie describes a domestic military culture that's increasingly shaped by a strain of Christian fundamentalism

that this is the part that should make your hair really stand up that genuinely believes this war is a literal path to Armageddon.

Not metaphorically, literally. I have

reported on this too, links in the description. And as Norm Chomsky told

description. And as Norm Chomsky told me, they will blow up the world, but who cares? God is on their side. So,

cares? God is on their side. So,

Christian fundamentalism in the context of this Iran war is not a fringe detail.

Cible Edmons has been warning out how all of this was being built structurally institutionally covertly for more than 20 years. And that's

actually the core analytical point here.

This war didn't begin when the first bombs fell. Whatever you think about the

bombs fell. Whatever you think about the current moment, the decision that made this moment possible happened somewhere else in some other room a long time ago.

Remember Wesley Clark, seven countries in five years.

So where exactly was this decision made and why? Ask yourself this one question.

and why? Ask yourself this one question.

Who really benefits? And that's what this conversation is about.

Civil Edmunds, what a pleasure having you. How are you?

you. How are you?

>> I'm very well, thank you. And thank you for inviting me.

>> It's my pleasure. I have to say one thing. Um, I read your book, A

thing. Um, I read your book, A Classified Woman, I'm not entirely sure, probably 10 years ago. Can it be 10 years? Something like that.

years? Something like that.

>> Uh, let's see. 2012. has been uh out for 14 years now. M.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I read it about 10 years and you can't see it. I'm

surrounded by books. So, I tried to find it, but there's I I always said to my wife, there's chaos. There's order in this chaos. But this time, I did. I I

this chaos. But this time, I did. I I

couldn't find it otherwise I would have shown it. Yeah. But I recommend reading

shown it. Yeah. But I recommend reading it. It's called a classified woman. It

it. It's called a classified woman. It

always stuck in the back of my mind, I have to say. Yeah. There are only a handful of books which which had this the same effect. Now then most recently a viewer actually said do you know whom

you should interview civil admins and I say yes I reached out and you were kind enough to basically almost immediately to respond and here we are so I really am appreciating our conversation for me

it's tonight for you is morning in California right California that's where you are >> no I'm in Florida >> sorry Florida okay >> anyway it's still morning for you for me it's already evening but I really was

looking forward uh to this conversation I also watched your latest, how do you call it? It's a live stream or

call it? It's a live stream or something. It's two and a half hours

something. It's two and a half hours from two days ago. I watched all of it.

>> Okay, good. Great.

>> Yeah. So, I

>> have you read my book, Lone Gladadio?

>> No, but I heard you talk about >> fiction. Yeah, that's my fiction book

>> fiction. Yeah, that's my fiction book that I had to write and I'm emphasizing the word had. I had to write because I was bounded by all sorts of yag orders,

secrecy, classification, threats. So uh

with fictions the government doesn't have that ability meaning you can write even though you had all those clearance and everything as long as it is marketed

as a fiction. So I had to write that fiction book in order to uh expose operation gladadio and uh and the real

issues and coverups in my case. That was

that was the only channel only way I had to tell the truth. So in many ways uh the lone gladadio is more of the real story of why all those things happened

you know the journey whistleblowing journey retaliations etc. classified woman is the more general of what happened but not why

really why did they do that right I had to write a fiction in order to put that out so um >> how much how much percentage how much percentage fiction is in your fiction

book >> uh I would say um less than 10% fiction the names are of for of course fictional

some of the uh backgrounds for example I'm just going to give a hypothetical example I may be saying Cambodia it may be Thailand you know uh for some of the

settings so other than those really everything else is 100% factual real life events that took place with real

people involved >> yeah so operation Gladio I did my own research. I also wrote about the

research. I also wrote about the operation gladadio. I interviewed the

operation gladadio. I interviewed the Swiss story and Dr. Dalin Leansa who actually wrote his PhD on gladadio. But I would like to hear

on gladadio. But I would like to hear your version about Gladio, not Gladio B.

We come to Gladio B a little bit later.

Oh, and for that you have the top expert and that would be Danielle cancer. and

he is the first one to really write a book about it because his book mainly focuses on the end of uh World War II

and the start of beginning of the cold war and the NATO and the United States and mostly um Europe u even though not

all because it had its uh side operations in the Middle East uh as well. Middle East being important

well. Middle East being important because of oil but uh he he is I would say is the top expert on that but even

within that it's a big spoke you know scope when you're looking at the original operation gladadio and NATO and all these European countries there are

hundreds if not thousands of events incidents operations false flag operations and Daniel Gainzer's book mainly focuses is on of course Italy

because he is from the Lugano area himself you know in the Italian border and a little bit focused on on Belgium,

Netherlands and some in Germany but it for example rightfully so it refrains from delving into the most important hub

for Operation Gladadio Classic. let's

call it operation gladadio uh one operation gladadio a uh like turkey is left off uh out of that because when you're doing the thesis or PhD you

really need to narrow your focus as as you know to really a very let's say a a very very small subtopic otherwise you

know your dissertation uh will end up being tens of thousands of pages so uh he has covered and I think it's the best and I always recommend it as the best

step for people who want to who who are not familiar who have never heard of Operation Gladadio who believe that it's a conspiracy even though it's been

confirmed as you know by the CIA etc. um to start I I always tell them start with Ganzer's book because that is the

perfect explanation of why this operation was born and where it was born, how who were the main actors

behind it, what were the uh classic u examples, what was the general uh modus

operandi, right? That is perfect. You do

operandi, right? That is perfect. You do

that and then you expand from there and start reading uh on Turkey uh you know geopolitically being in the most

important uh location geographically linking the east with you know with the west Europe with the with the rest right

so that would be the step two and I would say the step three of the the change because everything was under the

guise of the cold war for operation gladadio A and the communism and being against the uh operations that is geared

to counter uh the Soviet Union's um influence right and communism etc. Well, with the Berlin wall coming down, with

the end of the Soviet Soviet Union era, Operation Gladadio did not die. It

didn't shut down. It switched. Okay,

this is when we started seeing the birth of the um you know Islamic and and the

Muslim terrorism and those uh contacts for operation gladadio in order to have

the United States maintain its supremacy, its um you know um imperial ambitions.

This time the um antagonist the the created the synthetically created uh antagonist via synthetically

uh executed events false flag operations being one way uh scops with information is another way. disinformation,

misinformation.

They had to in order for anyone to execute such things and have people buy into it to be convincing, they have to

create an enemy. And it was a very brilliant brilliant for them not for the humanity the the results of it to have

that not uh against a nation but this abstract open-ended concept of these

jihadis right whose brand name changes you know mujahedin to al-Qaeda al-Qaeda

to ISIS now it's switching more to ISIL uh which can be anywhere in the world.

It can be in Africa. It can be in Zinshan region of China. It can be in Saudi Arabia. And of course, because of

Saudi Arabia. And of course, because of the migration and the and today's mobility for the society, it can operate

via cells in Washington DC, in Amsterdam, anywhere. And that is that is

Amsterdam, anywhere. And that is that is a brilliant concoction. And uh so because then you have created an antagonist right

the the the context the pretext that that you can't say oh now it has to end because the Soviet Union Berlin wall coming down how do you ever declare that

we have captured or killed or neutralized every single terrorist jihadi terrorist everywhere in the world. Right? meaning it can go on

world. Right? meaning it can go on forever or for as long as the perpetrators, the implementers want it

to go on. So in that regard, it was uh I believe it was a it was a it was an evil evil brilliant um um the the um

strategy.

>> Maybe two things. Um first of all I want to give a brief glimpse what Gladio actually was and then I need to to uh introduce you properly to our viewers who may not know you. Yeah. So very

briefly in a nutshell operation gladadio was stay behind armies after the second world war who since the Russian never came then turned inward and uh executed

terrorist act within all of Europe Italy. Yeah there a number of uh

Italy. Yeah there a number of uh operations all of Palme for example you know which are on the fringes of that.

So it's all documented as public loan knowledge. If someone is interested Dr.

knowledge. If someone is interested Dr. Daniel Leansza or Gladio check it out on the internet NATO funded CIA and MI6

funded staybehind armies that that executed bombings and assassinations within all of Europe up until the late 1980s. It's not that long ago. Yeah. Now

1980s. It's not that long ago. Yeah. Now

coming to you civil in a nutshell for people who do not know you how would you introduce yourself?

Um there's like would be two version you know uh due to my um okay I I became

known I became a public name due to the events of my um whistleblowing against

the FBI on 911 and operation gladadio.

Okay. And uh because of that um if I have to say unfortunately I was I became known as this language

specialist slashtransator FBI translator who blew the whistle right uh against the FBI's cover up and criminal right uh

operation deeds but um she became the most gagged classified human in the history of the United States of America.

which is about give or take 300 years because she received all these official formal uh gag orders um issued by the

Justice Department, by the State Department, by the FBI, not once but three times saying she's so classified.

I mean, it's so ludicrous.

Sibel Edmonds is so classified that even the degrees she has, the languages she she speaks, the her date of birth, we

believe we consider as government uh in the United States as classified information, you know, like my my driver's license information there's this classified. I mean, that's why I'm

this classified. I mean, that's why I'm saying it's ludicrous. But because of that and because I decided to fight against it right through the courts

which my case went all the way up to the Supreme Court through the Congress the legislative branch and later in the media that became the tact and believe

me or not sometimes it's frustrating Thomas because uh it basically I don't want to say reduces

it makes it it encompasses just everything. It It gets to a point where

everything. It It gets to a point where you start it cringe, you know, cringe upon it. It's like FBI language

upon it. It's like FBI language specialist Edmonds, whistleblower, the whistleblower 911 Gladio. We don't know exactly what it

Gladio. We don't know exactly what it is. That's who this woman is. And and

is. That's who this woman is. And and

that's it. Period. Right. Well, I have a very complex background both in terms of academics but also in terms of uh

background nationality. You know, for

background nationality. You know, for some people I kind of envy them. It's so

easy for them to say um I'm an Italian American, right? Or or I migrated um

American, right? Or or I migrated um immigrated to the United States from Bulgaria, right? And and my parents are

Bulgaria, right? And and my parents are from this and this. I'm I'm very mixed my my from both side families on my father's side and my mother's side I

have um I have three citizenships so far right I have uh two birth certificates okay because even though I was

considered a citizen of different country at birth okay uh because of that um even my birth had to come with two

birth certificates because of the laws of those nations. You know, if your mother is from that country and you're that country citizen, yes, even if you're born in a in a different country,

you still are given the birth certificate of your mother's country, right? Like I have Turkish citizenship

right? Like I have Turkish citizenship and Turkish birth certificate. I have

Iranian citizenship and Iranian birth certificate. I have Azerbaijani

certificate. I have Azerbaijani citizenship, not birth certificate. And

I'm uh I have been an um American US citizen since 1995. Okay. No birth

certificate.

No birth certificate. So I was just trying to ex uh explain that just to introduce myself and my background, right? Heritage, the countries I have

right? Heritage, the countries I have lived in, right? And uh until I came to the United States, that alone would

entail at least a couple of paragraphs.

Otherwise, it would be like confusing to a lot of people. So it depends on with your question back to your question which version do you want to have me uh

um explain meaning meaning the short version saying yeah I'm soal Edmonds came here citizenship which I pretty much did or would you rather have both

in terms of the heritage places I have lived during whatever eras and events that that led me to the United States

and my academic background and the whole career and family life I had before I became the

FBI whistleblower who was gag.

>> I think you scratched on the two main things that I wanted the viewers to know. Number one, you have a background

know. Number one, you have a background in the FBI. You were a whistleblower.

You were prosecuted. I don't know if you are still prosecuted. I do not know. But

I followed your kind of battle 101 15 years ago with interest. And that's the second part I wanted to flesh out. you

have an Iranian heritage >> and this interview we agreed is is approximately on the topics that uh happen well on the war that happens now

uh in on the officially so under under international law illegal war on Iran that's happening right now but of course you cannot see the war on Iran without

looking let's say at Israel without looking at Syria which kind of paved the way for for the war on Iran etc etc right So you you um you you kind of put

those two things in context, but I have one thing and maybe when we jump right into So I have here your um Twitter account and I have one tweet of you and

I had to look twice. 570,000

572,000 views.

What happened?

This is about Turkey, Israel, USA covered Iran ops. So there was a whole controversial around that topic and I heard you speak about so you even forced

governments to respond to that tweet. I

mean it's amazing.

>> Tell us.

>> It was the Turkish government. Now as

you know by heritage I'm also Turkish and I lived at least for eight and a half nine years in Turkey. I completed

my high school, middle school in Turkey and uh and when I worked for the FBI with the FBI as a contract analyst and

contract linguist for so for multiple languages, the main focus of um of my work during that very short period, less

than a year, uh had to do with the FBI's counter intelligence operations. And as

a result of my whistleblowing, I was banned from going back to Turkey for 14 years, right? Until about 2015,

years, right? Until about 2015, and that's a long time. I used to go to Turkey, visit my family, my grandmother, my father, you know, um at least twice a

year, and they visited me. Um and some of the uh targets and people involved in the operations that they were gagging me

on uh they they they some of them had Turkish elements in it. Not necessarily

Turkish government but Turkish intelligence operations, Turkish mafia network and some Turkish Israeli espionage network. And uh for the

espionage network. And uh for the espionage networks they they don't have to be necessarily tied to a government because in today's world we have

corporate espionage right we have all sorts of business espionage right so because of that I couldn't and then in

2015 I was able to go back because there was a rift between the then prime minister now president Erdogan and this

very important operation gladadio figure this um so-called religious figure this

imam moola you know people ha he's called um gulan gulan network uh there there there came this major rift between

the current president and that guy right the CIA's operation glad guy back and uh and he ended up in the United

States and with the rift they ended up going at each other. Well, there was a positive externality as a result meaning I became popular because they knew that

a lot of my whistleblowing involved his network, right? And his operations that

network, right? And his operations that would be fed to lock you. So that lift uh unofficially um you know was terminated meaning I

could go back to Turkey which I did in 2015 and I have been going back to Turkey. Now to to the tweet that you

Turkey. Now to to the tweet that you mentioned and again this is unfortunate for for my relationship with Turkey because as a result of it I won't be

able to go back to Turkey right now. I

am again a designated person a banned person.

Um back in October, four or five months ago, uh I uh wrote a report uh it was a

breaking report on um President Erdogan's visit in September. It was

around September 15, 2025, five, six months ago. And he visited the United States and met with President Trump. Uh in addition to the usual

Trump. Uh in addition to the usual dignitaries protocol they have you know you pat each other you shake hands you smile at the camera you're sitting next

to each other they had a very long lingering behind the closed doors a significant meeting right President

Erdogan President Trump each side's translators in addition to that two other Israeli um

Israeli government officials and they did not after that meeting was over they did not talk about what what happened and as you know I set up um created an

organization called the national security whistleblowers coalition and uh officially we had 154 members and these

are um veterans from the US military, DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency the CIA, FBI,

DEA, and the NSA, all the alphabet agencies dealing with national security, uh, law enforcement and intelligence.

Okay? And uh so I have so many sources as I said these 154 were the people who actually didn't mind uh for their names to be disclosed in my organization

because they blew the whistle publicly.

They were already public figures, right?

Larry Johnson, for example, CIA analyst, he's ex former CIA uh operative. He he's

a member of my national security.

>> I had him on. I had Larry on. Yeah.

Interesting.

>> Larry, Larry, in fact, uh later I will I will mention him because Larry and Colonel Wilperson they are I would say because in the past since the war on

Iran started and even before that with the operations uh preparing for that uh for this war, I always say like I am listening to so many different people

talking about the Iran situation and I can only count two or three who have really solid uh information analysis and

when I say solid really solid and it's not either intentional or unintentional misinformation which I would say 90% of them do Larry Johnson is one of the good

ones especially when it comes to GCC uh the GF coast countries you know um and uh and and and someone who understands

Iran's geographic cultural u uh stand um as a as a context is history. He knows what he's talking

is history. He knows what he's talking about and he doesn't seem to be driven by um being measured. Okay, that's a

very important thing to mention here because some of the analysts, you know, or people who have been talking about it such as Larry, they they put it all out, right? It's right there and they know

right? It's right there and they know what they're talking about. you can't

find many other people. Same thing with Colonel Wilkerson, right? All out. He he

puts it out there and he knows his areas, meaning from the military aspect of it. And tying that to war strategy

of it. And tying that to war strategy because someone who doesn't have that knowledge of various war strategy um is not qualified, right, to to talk about

it or just emotional responses, etc. That's basically it. Even someone like Colonel McGregor, right? Yes, he's a

very savvy strategist for war, but and and he's putting out factual good stuff, but it's more measured. Meaning, if you

still want to maintain some ties, you know, it doesn't have to be necessarily the government because some of these people when they leave the government, when they retire, they completely

retire. with a lot of them they become

retire. with a lot of them they become uh involved as contractors with all these military-industrial complex companies right so if you are really out

there let's say like Larry Johnson is really out there good um you won't you won't get a single job and this this is these are lucrative positions you know

or another good example would be Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer right of CIA you know the able danger guy well he

used to be all out there, but then he started making tons of money being hired by let's say Fox News to be available.

So when the issue or an event arise, he would exclusively give them an interview. Then he made deals by other

interview. Then he made deals by other media, right? US media, these are

media, right? US media, these are mainstream media sources. Yeah. In order

to have that and have that lucrative income, which is great. It doesn't come free. It's not enough that you just go

free. It's not enough that you just go there provide analysis. It already puts a tilt and puts a taint puts an angle right >> in your information. You you don't

necessarily lie but you withhold a lot of things and you can skew >> right. So with that said, yes, Larry

>> right. So with that said, yes, Larry Johnson solid. Uh every time I listen to

Johnson solid. Uh every time I listen to it's like yeah, Larry is good. Kudos to

Larry Wilkerson. Same thing. In fact,

Larry Wilkerson and I, we uh Colonel Wilkerson, we blew the whistle on Operation Gladadio against China via Zingshan at the same time. And even

though the US media has censured it, China presented us, me and Larry Wilkerson's reports to the United Nation. You know, that's really

Nation. You know, that's really significant. Yet, there is a complete

significant. Yet, there is a complete blackout. If you go and do search on the

blackout. If you go and do search on the internet, you're going to see all these Chinese mainstream media covering Sabal Edmonds, Larry Wilkerson, and how all this information was confirmed by the

Chinese government, how it was presented to the United Nation, yet there's no trace of it anywhere in the US media or the Turkish media, right? Um or the

Russian media, you know, even though Russia also is supposedly on the other side. So yeah, I'm so glad that you uh

side. So yeah, I'm so glad that you uh interviewed them because they are solid.

I consider them really good.

>> Hi, quick interruption, but I promise it will be brief. You may have noticed the views on this channel aren't what they used to be. And no, unfortunately, it's

not random. We went from way over

not random. We went from way over 100,000 views on a number of these interviews to a couple of thousand on a good day. Same content, same level of

good day. Same content, same level of work, same effort for quality. Nothing

changed on our end. What did change is the algorithm quietly decided that this kind of conversation about geopolitics, power structure, analysis that actually

push back on the mainstream narrative.

That stuff gets buried. not taken down, not banned outright, just starved off oxygen slowly and quietly, which when you think about it is actually a much

more elegant form of censorship than suspending accounts, right? Less

visible, less outrage, and Twitter already did the suspension thing to me directly. So, yep, I've seen both

directly. So, yep, I've seen both versions. So, here's my ask. If you want

versions. So, here's my ask. If you want to make sure you actually get this kind of content, not if and when a platform allows you to see it, come find me on

Subtock direct line, no middleman, no shadow banning, just the work straight to you. Links in the description. Now,

to you. Links in the description. Now,

back to the interview if you allow me.

Uh, Wilkerson, Larry Wilkerson, I had him also on and I came away with some unexpected and incredible surprise. So

Larry of course, so Larry Wilkerson was the chief of staff for Colin Powell and I think most of most of my viewers are old enough to remember where Colin Powell I believe testified in front of

the US Congress before the Iraq war holding this glass tube in front of the Congress. This is antrax and this you

Congress. This is antrax and this you know weapons of mass destruction. uh he

regretted it latest later in life. But

Larry told me, you know what was in this uh in this glass tube? Salt.

Now if you think about it, it's logic that not they don't walk around with antrax in the in the US Congress. Yeah.

But the iconography because every single American believe this is weapon of mass destruction. This is all that it takes

destruction. This is all that it takes to wipe out America. Right.

>> And when when Larto I hardly could believe it. was so I mean in a

believe it. was so I mean in a retrospect is so obvious of course it can't be antrax yeah but again from a psychological for from a disinformation and misinformation or purely propaganda

perspective right >> absolutely with the visual aid the visual aid uh including those fake photo

satellite images of these barrels containing the WMD that Powell did but here is the sad part Thomas and that is

the fact that that got exposed, right? People like

Larry Wilkerson, a lot of people came and put it out. In fact, it even was covered later after the damage done after the Iraq war. Hundreds of

thousands of innocent people being uh killed. I'm talking about the civilians

killed. I'm talking about the civilians which the US government describes as a collateral damage. The number for the

collateral damage. The number for the collateral damages in Afghanistan, Iraq are hundreds of thousands. Some of them babies, some of them children. And and

even too late after the fact, these things being exposed, you still see the American people who went through that

readily as if they want to that despite that they believe what right now Trump is selling them, you know, on Yeah.

There is nuclear weapon pro program in Iran and Iran is a terrorist nation which has been debunked which has been proven false but it's as if by a

conscious decision or you are a behavioral scientist is it like all at subconscious level because you know the

nationalism the the nationalism bias that comes with nationalism and it's very similar because I also represented sexually abused children, right? And

then there would be these wives, right?

um whose husband were abusing, sexually raping, you know, their biological children, boys or girls and and the mothers would be in denial because it

was too big, too traumatizing to so even though they were seeing all the evidence, even if the child was telling the mother, and I'm not saying

all mothers, there would be this resistance. I don't believe you. She's

resistance. I don't believe you. She's

exaggerating this thing that I found evidence that can't be. That just can't be. It's very similar to especially here

be. It's very similar to especially here in the United States with the American, not everyone but majority psychology.

They want to believe that their government, their president, their representatives are telling them the truth. They want to believe that their

truth. They want to believe that their side is always the right side.

humanitarian wars, the wars of liberations, right? The war against

liberations, right? The war against terrors, right? That you know, we're out

terrors, right? That you know, we're out there uh exterminating these uh cockroaches and and in their subconscious level, you know, without

realizing they dehumanize the civilian casualties. Um, and again the US media

casualties. Um, and again the US media helps this greatly because that was one of the first things I noticed when I came to the United States of America,

right? Because I grew up as an

right? Because I grew up as an anti-Israel. My father was anti-Israel,

anti-Israel. My father was anti-Israel, anti- Zionist, genocidal Israel. I'm not

saying I'm anti-Jew, right? uh because

for for for half a century they prevented people talking the truth talking about the truth by having this the mother of all censorships

anti-semitism so so many people self-centered the government censured so now it's a brand new thing in the United States in the past only two years or less than two years where people are

talking about some of the facts on Israel's operations and practices not back And so I came to this country and even though I was very young, I was only

18, 19, you know, 18 years old after high school coming here and immediately I noticed like I would there would be

Palestinian uh Israeli, you know, terrorism event or or Israel killing in self-defense, the other side engaging in

terrorism. But I noticed the uh modus of

terrorism. But I noticed the uh modus of reporting by by the US mainstream media.

We didn't have the internet back then, right? We didn't have Twitter. We didn't

right? We didn't have Twitter. We didn't

have YouTube. So, if it's Israeli, right, and some terrorist blow some people civilian up and it involved this two children and a mother, New York

Times would put it on his front page, right? Big headlines and they would make

right? Big headlines and they would make sure uh to put these emotion evoking photographs right?

It would be this if it's the child who lost her mother or his mother would be this you know teary devastated child's

photograph that would speak thousand times more volume than the headline itself right with this or it would be the mother you know in the cemetery

burying her child you know Jewish religion is similar to same as the Islamic religion you have to be buried within 24 hours and you know, expressing

the grieving process, screaming, clawing on herself. It would be shown on CNN. It

on herself. It would be shown on CNN. It

would be photographed and advertised and on the front page. But if the victims were Muslims, if the victims were Palestinians, there would be no pictures of the child

greeting. There wouldn't be any picture

greeting. There wouldn't be any picture of mother clawing herself. There

wouldn't be any videos of it shown on CNN. And this is 1988. And it continued

CNN. And this is 1988. And it continued and it still is the case today. Which

brings us to Iran. I ask people, people even who live near me here, not necessarily media people or people who are interested in this when they went

there and they killed assassinated bomb killed uh Ayatah right in his house, this modest house that he has lived in for practically

forever since the Iranian revolution.

and his granddaughter, you know, this very beautiful, cute granddaughter, two, three years old, her mother, those people getting killed. You can see some

of those photos, you know, published by some Chinese publications, Al Jazer, in Turkey, some publications. But in the

US, you don't see CNN showing that.

I didn't see CNN showing the granddaughter that our troops, right, went there and they massacred, you know, with their bombing, etc. And they they

they basically blew them into pieces, right? The innocent child and they knew

right? The innocent child and they knew that house had at least six residents, right? Then they targeted this was a

right? Then they targeted this was a targeted assassination, right? Bombing.

So that itself tells you exactly how they are so good in a bad way and savvy in playing the emotions in order to

garner the public backing and support for their genocidal practices for their for their um unjustified uh bully wars

that they inflict. So, in the minds of 99% of Americans who don't go and search for other news media covering it, this

is the reaction. Oh, yeah. Well, good

riddance. Our troops went in there and killed the damn uh Islamic Sharia terrorists.

>> Excuse me.

>> The American The American public is not exposed to objective news. Not at all.

And from an outsers's perspective, are you okay?

>> I'm good. Just my throat. I get

emotional when it comes to some of these issues. It's hard to remain so objective

issues. It's hard to remain so objective and sterile, but go ahead, please.

That's one of the symptoms I show.

>> Yeah.

>> Look, as a as a behavior analyst, I I look at these kind of things. I have

actually a program running right now that analyzes only the headlines on on linguistic deception markers. actually

my thesis uh linguistic deception marketers and high stakes business negotiations um to see how the media and a specific type of media yeah uh is influencing

public opinion on a large scale so the American population and and to a I have to really say to a more and more increasing uh degree also Europe right

it's it's incredible I mean for example here the the former prime minister of the Netherlands is now NATO secretary general Marut and some of the statement that he that he made as a NATO secretary

general. Yeah. Driving Europe into a hot

general. Yeah. Driving Europe into a hot war with with Russia, right? Is out is is unbelievable.

>> Yes.

>> But this can only be done with a compliance media. And whilst this whilst

compliance media. And whilst this whilst I believe in America, it's still more extreme than in Europe. Europe is slowly catching up. There are number of of

catching up. There are number of of policies being already implemented. One

of which I don't know if you know CSFP 2025/966 that's a European council resolution if so that means Europe Europe Europe's

commission can put you for example civil on a embargo list which would prevent you not only from traveling they could freeze your bank accounts uh you will basically your online life will

disappear because no all your emails all your you can't purchase anything anymore on on Amazon etc etc German citizens are prevented from returning home. They're

not allowed back into their own home country based on these kind of uh embargos. Right? So we are facing we I

embargos. Right? So we are facing we I mean the global community we are facing a a shift into authoritarianism,

right? And I think a prime example is

right? And I think a prime example is now I mean Israel anyway, but America under under Trump and this crazy fundamentalist Christians which

apparently have uh have exceeding power over Trump starting with Hexet which who has like this religious

tattoos on his chest and on his biceps, right? Anti-Islamic crusader tattoos,

right? Anti-Islamic crusader tattoos, right? And that's the guy who now leads

right? And that's the guy who now leads a war against Iran that, by the way, Trump may already regret. What do you think?

>> Absolutely. It's the It started the groundwork because my first little uh internet forum website was called

Boiling Frogs Post.

>> I remember I remember that. That was at the time that was at the time when you wrote when I read your book. you had a website called the I remember the

foxost.com and uh and that is that was um purposefully chosen because >> they don't do it overnight. This didn't

happen overnight. Um they desensitized the public by doing it uh first big right after 9/11 when we passed laws.

They always put pretty names, titles for those fishistic laws called Patriot Act.

And it was passed within a couple of months after September 11 terrorist terrorist attacks, Operation Gladadio B.

And um and you know if if the American people didn't back or support it, they would be unpatriotic, right? This is the

Patriot Act. And with Patriot Act, they

Patriot Act. And with Patriot Act, they legalize for example um uh and this is completely completely in violation of

the United States Constitution, Fourth Amendment uh for NSA, FBI, CIA, warrantless spying on all Americans. If

they wanted to, they could do it. They

could have not done that without 911 and it was accepted by the American people.

Okay? And uh so that's just one example.

What we do when we go through the checkpoints at the TSA in the airports when you're touched and you're patted down being treated as

>> photographed >> photographed x-rayed right that desensitization happened initially when they started doing that in the US

airport there was some not a lot but some uproar America saying like this is this is this is very humiliating but Then fast forward four or five years

later, people just like uh like the kettle, right? They do just like you

kettle, right? They do just like you would see in Hitler's concentration camp. The compliance without even

camp. The compliance without even thinking, without even noticing, without ever questioning, second thinking,

guessing, saying why am I doing this? I

have not done anything to be a suspect.

Because if it's a police officer, they need to have probable cause to stop you, to search you. They can't just will and they say, "Here's the probable cause.

There was this suspicious looking something in the car." But with the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security, like even those types of titles, right?

Uh so the the the minds and the hearts were massaged. people became really

were massaged. people became really desensitized and then they kept escalating it and escalating it, right? My main Twitter

account was shut down during that whole co uh stuff. So that happened and there is nothing and this is private companies doing it, NSA doing it, FBI doing it,

Department of Homeland Security doing it, right? And the other interesting

it, right? And the other interesting thing that is a good example for this is which is awe inspiring how the American

people at least 99% of them did not show any reaction because like you I'm very interested in human behavior and

psychology. Trump just quickly came out

psychology. Trump just quickly came out and said I'm going to change the name.

We no longer going to be department of defense. It's going to be department of

defense. It's going to be department of war. Okay. Department of War, Department

war. Okay. Department of War, Department of Defense automatically. I mean when you start thinking about it or even within the subconscious level, we engage

in war to defend oursel, you know, to defend our country, to defend our borders if there is a threat, you know, like the Japanese Pearl Harbor, right?

We defend our constitution if there is a threat against our United States Constitution because that's the law of the land. You know, you you are

the land. You know, you you are obligated to fight against the enemy of constitutions and then it continues foreign or domestic.

And if you really think as an American because I became citizen and I was I had my green card at 22. I had my citizenship at 44 25 but I don't think people because maybe

they were born here that's why they don't think about it who can domestically threaten the United States Constitution. It's not a

States Constitution. It's not a philosophical question. It's a it's a

philosophical question. It's a it's a critical thinking inducing because let's say if there was a bin Laden that did the 911, how could that destroy or

threaten the Constitution of the United States put in place 300 years ago by the founding fathers?

The only people in the United States of America right or anywhere who can

damage, threaten constitutions are the politicians who who have the tools to do it. Meaning the executive branch, the

it. Meaning the executive branch, the legislative branch, the Congress, the US Congress and the courts, right?

Judiciary. They can they can violate the constitution which is an attack on constitution because you can't burn a country's constitution. It's not like a

country's constitution. It's not like a piece of paper. It's the law of the land. Who can damage and threaten the

land. Who can damage and threaten the United States constitution? So if you start thinking that way, right? And

let's say if you are part of the US military, if I were, I would say currently in the past 30 years, I can

see those who have violated and killed portions of the constitutions.

And the again the constitution the law makes it clear foreign or domestic who have been the domestic enemies of the

United States Constitution which makes it incumbent upon anybody saying I'm American under the United States Constitution

to declare war against they would never want to ever disment mentioned or discuss in any debate because there is a

limit. And then if you bring it up,

limit. And then if you bring it up, people say, "Well, that's ridiculous. We

elect our president. It's not like some dictators coming and doing it."

Did the con >> Trump almost did >> Trump almost did January 6. He almost

did.

>> It's that it's the gag order on me.

Okay. That is 100 100% in violation of first amendment. So

first amendment. So >> and you're not the only one. You're not

the only one. The

>> they were actually during Obama administration, they were government whistleblowers who were jailed. John

Priyaku, >> he was >> I had him also on Yes, he was also on my show. Yeah, I know him.

show. Yeah, I know him.

>> He exposed government's water boarding, you know, that is like against human rights anywhere in the world globally.

But of course, the United Nation doesn't really represent the human around the world because when the United States or Israel

violates severely those rules by the United Nations, United Nations rule, where has there been consequences? The

United Nation declaring, okay, all countries, you're going to have sanction against the United States of America.

They violated this and this and this rules of the United Nation. So I mean it's not a legitimate organization because and and the people in the world

know they know it's a mockery right so anyhow I didn't want to divert your uh our topic here from Iran but uh yes but

we we we have even right now even with the so-called alternative media outlets they're not alternative they're exactly operating exactly the same way that the

mainstream media was has been operating and I came here in 1988 with the reporting with the twist with those psychologically

calculated you know special effect they put in there right because you know even with people who who are who claim that

they are opposing these wars right I a good example of this would be Tucker Carlson okay Tucker Carlson said it's very moral what we Right. And he said

it. So you would right away cheer for

it. So you would right away cheer for him, right? I would. That's great.

him, right? I would. That's great.

You're saying the great thing. Then he

said that Trump is doing that. And he

actually said this this three-year-old granddaughter of hommin was this is this is this is this shows American decency is not there with military and we are supposed to be the decent Christian

nation. And I started doing my

nation. And I started doing my psychological test and put the number of time times he said white Christians, white Christians, white Christians,

Tucker Carlson while opposing all these bad things, right? Which itself has psychological effect. But at the end of

psychological effect. But at the end of that speech, Tucker Carlson said, "By no means I'm not saying we shouldn't cheer

for our troops and support them fully when they are deployed and they are fighting Iran." Now, you're looking at

fighting Iran." Now, you're looking at two contradictory statements.

You are telling the public, "What we are doing is wrong.

This government's war on Iran wrong. the

way they are doing it is unethical and it doesn't have decency right but you come to the conclusion however he says you can go listen to it I have

the clip it was just three days ago there are that clips all over YouTube however that doesn't mean that I and we

all Americans shouldn't pray for our troops for being deployed and doing this and that doesn't mean we shouldn't to

support back and cheer for our troops.

Well, the troops, they take the orders from this government that he's saying is illegitimate, doing the wrong, illegal, unethical, undecent, indecent stuff.

They are implementing it because troops are supposed to do what they are told, right?

And we the Americans should consider they had no other choice. They tried

that with Vietnam War as well.

Therefore, just for that reason, we should still cheer and support what our troops doing over there. Because if I

were delivering that speech, I would have absolutely agree. I agree with him.

I would be saying the same stuff. And at

the end, I would say it's incumbent upon American troops. Okay. The consequences

American troops. Okay. The consequences

is not that severe. It's not that to either refrain from joining the military because you're engaged in unconstitutional. It's not it is not.

unconstitutional. It's not it is not.

This war didn't even get like not that Congress wouldn't approve. They didn't

even go through the congressional approval which the constitution requires. It's an illegal war. It's

requires. It's an illegal war. It's

unethical and it's not decent. I agree

with you. Me, I don't if my daughter right now she is almost 18. She says I want to join military. I'm going to do everything in my power to say no because

currently for the past whatever years they're doing this is immoral. I would

try to dissuade her which I would tell the Americans 7 8 million who are listening to me. You don't want especially if you're Christian because he's saying this is for white Christians

because they're like the we the superior right Christians pray and then cheer and support. Well,

it's first of all, it's in violation of Christian Christianity.

Jesus wouldn't approve of what what the troops are doing, right? It's not in self-defense. It's not in defense of

self-defense. It's not in defense of Christianity. It is not in the defense

Christianity. It is not in the defense of constitution. I would say and I would

of constitution. I would say and I would if my son was a member of military, I would say as your mother, I would not

forgive you if you don't quit. Quit.

And there are clauses where you can say this is absolutely contradicts my on the moral ground on my religious ground and even if there are consequences

even if they they remove your retirement because that's what people say they the United States government if you do that then you won't get your retirement that's money we are talking about lives

right we are talking about potentially millions of people right I know it is

subjective Okay, this but it's also it deserves to have a logical uh philosophical debate over but to say

these are bad yet we the Americans should support and cheer for our troops while they are doing what we just said is is immoral.

You know what I'm trying to say? Because

then those millions of people what does it tell the what does it say to the listeners? It says, "We all say this is

listeners? It says, "We all say this is horrible." We agree with Tucker Carlson

horrible." We agree with Tucker Carlson as Christian white Americans. We agree.

Good. But as he said, we have no choice but support and cheer for our troops.

>> That's what the government wants.

>> That's classic cognitive dissonance. You

can have two competing >> ideas in your mind, we have a psychological protection mechanism which is called cognitive dissonance. But

coming back to to actual Iran because I still have your screenshot open here.

Can we I mean I I'm hearing now whispers that apparently the Americans consider to consider sending ground troops but

then of course I heard your podcast from two days ago or so where you talked about uh prisoners from Syria being

shipped. Yeah. So maybe in that context

shipped. Yeah. So maybe in that context can you tell us what you found out?

>> Absolutely. Because as I said, I have been covering this since before the war started. You know, I've been covering

started. You know, I've been covering this non-stop since December 2025. So,

it's been three three and a half months.

I posted a report. Um, this was about five weeks ago and it's on my Patreon site. People can see the report there.

site. People can see the report there.

And there I put developments, recent developments, and I put a short couple of paragraphs. Then I tell people what

of paragraphs. Then I tell people what deserves paying attention to because it's absolutely suspicious. Right? Five

weeks, six weeks ago, we had this intense clash in northern Syria. Okay.

Sharah's government, which is the Sharah, the guy used to be al-Qaeda ISIS operation glio guy, right? At command

>> $10 million head bounty on his head.

Yeah, >> absolutely. So we we we got rid of Assad

>> absolutely. So we we we got rid of Assad government, right? And we installed

government, right? And we installed Shiraz regime which is the exact same al-Qaeda, ISIS, jihadi terrorists that we say we are fighting. So we all know

that. Your audience listeners I'm sure

that. Your audience listeners I'm sure they all know that. So Sharah started having this um clashes with the Kurds in

northern Syria and the general issue of that clash was the northern Kurds they want to have certain level of autonomy.

Shira's government, US's CIA operation ladder B is also serving the you know Turkish government. Turkey Turkey has

Turkish government. Turkey Turkey has been as I said number one hub for the operation gladadio and especially since it turned to operation gladadio B. So

Turkish government told their sto is is the CIA operation gladadio guy shar no this coalition of government the way it

was supposed to be originally and the way the Kurdish Syrian Kurdish faction is demanding is not acceptable that's going to give too much power to the

Kurdish minority in Syria they can be just within the government not there as a separate autonomous entity as you know coalition partner in as a government for

Syria, right? Because they said the same

Syria, right? Because they said the same thing, Turkish people, Turkish Turkish government to Iraq when northern Iraq was uh getting their own autonomy,

right? With the Kirkook airbel oil,

right? With the Kirkook airbel oil, northern Iraq. So it is a de facto not

northern Iraq. So it is a de facto not exactly official because still they are not fully autonomous of Kurdistan region. Turkey is extremely sensitive to

region. Turkey is extremely sensitive to that there. Nobody can ever say

that there. Nobody can ever say Kurdistan. Okay, Kurds wherever they

Kurdistan. Okay, Kurds wherever they are, whether in Turkey or Syria or Iraq or Iran have to be just you know blended uh you know so so in some way you would

say they're against balkcanization but that applies only to Kurds as far as K Turkey is concerned. Anyhow, during

these clashes, okay, I kept finding the reports, not so much in the United States media publications that there's major the prisons now there are under

assault. Meaning the prisons in northern

assault. Meaning the prisons in northern Syria where tens of thousands of ISIS are in prison. They are six, seven prisons, some of them really large

facilities. They are being shelled,

facilities. They are being shelled, right? Targeted by the Shiraz

right? Targeted by the Shiraz government.

and Shar's government said, "Oh no, the Kurds are saying it." Then the some again not in the US started seeing

articles saying thousands of ISIS um prisoners escaped.

So Kurds they said Sharah people they came they actually opened and they had them escape and we didn't do it and they issued but of course the western media nowhere they didn't cover those stuff.

So if you go to Kurdish publications, you know, like Ruda, RU, DAW, you see these documented. So all of the su all

these documented. So all of the su all of a sudden you have thousands of ISIS being escaping prisons, right? This is

massive news. Thousands, you know, talk about five or six. Then something very strange happened. And I'm reporting on

strange happened. And I'm reporting on this. I'm saying people all eyes on

this. I'm saying people all eyes on Syria, but not the clash on this prisons with ISIS.

They we started reading this is six, seven days after the clashes that US military decided to recapture, take these

thousands of ISIS who escaped the prison in Syria, northern Syria, transfer them to Iraq because it's safer there. Now

being an Operation Gladadio analyst, it's like I know exactly what's coming because I had already broke the report

in November that when Erdogan, President Erdogan met with President Trump behind closed doors in September 2025,

Israeli officials there present in that meeting and President Trump, they gave Erdogan a list of orders not requests,

not their wishless orders. They also

told Erdogan what would happen to him if he did not fully comply with these orders. They're like seven, eight list

orders. They're like seven, eight list because I have an insider source. Okay,

the blackmailable stuff on Erdogan is huge and they just gave him a bone. This

is the Trump CIA Israel.

There is this case that's been going on in the United States federal court in New York against Turkey's Hulk Bank, H A

LK Bank since 2016.

Tens of billions of dollars. It has

terrorism element in it, money laundering element in it, cocaine element in it and more than that direct elements evidence on President Erdogan,

his family and AK highlevel members, criminal operations to benefit themselves with their bank account and billions of dollars.

If that case, okay, goes in through trial and evidence is presented, Erdogan would be toppled in in 24 hours or less

in Turkey by Turkish people. Trump

promised A Turkey would get those F-35s that had they have been begging for, bulkbang cake case, Trump said and his Israeli

people, we make it go away. They made

the hulpang hulpang case go away four days ago by the way after Turkey started going overt instead of covert with war

against Iran and uh so they said here are the bones you get you dog okay that's that's a simple way to put it and here is what you're going to do well one

of the things that was given to Erdogan was because it has been in a dormant state since Biden administration because of COVID and

everything. Revival and fortification of

everything. Revival and fortification of operation gladadio meaning bring in jihadis again ISIS, al-Qaeda, anything

we train arm them for different objectives but this one against China in Zinchan region against Iran in Baluchistan region. Sistan Baluchistan

Baluchistan region. Sistan Baluchistan is on the border of Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, right? And other terror operations against Russia and again

Central Asia caucuses have always been the objective. You know, Brazil's grand

the objective. You know, Brazil's grand chessport. You're looking at the

chessport. You're looking at the oilrich, natural gasrich, mineralrich nations, right? Tajakistan, Kyazstan,

nations, right? Tajakistan, Kyazstan, all those places the Americans tried to put their bases in and one by one they were kicked out. Now we don't have a base in Kyrgyzstan. Manas air base was

shut down. Manas air base was was

shut down. Manas air base was was working as the as the labs to process the opiums they were bringing from Afghanistan and these would be the US soldiers and the Turkish operatives

right into Kyrgyzstan. Again, I don't want to confuse people because that's going to be information overload. Back

to Syria. So immediately the alarm bells are ringing. So I started contacting

are ringing. So I started contacting people trying to get more information.

All I was getting is they were transferred thousands. They're saying

transferred thousands. They're saying six to 7,000 ISIS but among them of the 7,000

you are looking at 150 to 200 general level. You know, just like our military,

level. You know, just like our military, the status and ranking within al-Qaeda, C CIA's ISIS, CIA's al-Qaeda,

they are militaristic jihadists, right?

And they have chain of commands. So they

have generals and colonels and lieutenant colonels that they were at least 150 of the ones in northern Syria prisons who were transferred through

Iraq with the 6,000 highest level ISIS.

highest meaning commando general level.

So what happened to these people? Well,

they take took them. This is US military.

This is backto-back convoy is contracted by the CIA per CIA. So, it's a CIA operation, but they use the military, US

military convoys, dozens of them, carrying thousands of these ISIS terrorists from northern Syria into

Iraq, north of Baghdad, right next to the US military base that they supposedly evacuated. They didn't. They

supposedly evacuated. They didn't. They

evacuated most military personnel, but it has been used as a CIA operation base since the US military left a year ago, less than a year ago. Okay? Like they

said, now we are fully gone. No, that is open. Still is a US base north of

open. Still is a US base north of Baghdad, but it's a CIA operation base.

This prison can't house 6,000 uh ISIS. maybe 2500 to 3,000. All these

uh ISIS. maybe 2500 to 3,000. All these

commandos were directly taken to the US ex US military base. Now it's the US CIA base in north of Baghdad. The rest of them use the prison as hotel. They do

their training all the stuff. Some of

them are being transported elsewhere.

But then they go and sleep in the prison. and all other nonISIS prisoners

prison. and all other nonISIS prisoners who were in that prison not that they were moved to other prisons in Iraq.

This is like an information that I confirmed through three three uh sources. I'm talking about highlevel

sources. I'm talking about highlevel sources again as as we just talked all these colonels generals these people they're part of my they're part of my coalition that I created in 2004 we

created together then that issue was site you know uh became a site issue when other things were developing Epstein and everything

else and then the war on Iran and I broke the story that Trump as he's discussing and scrambling

with the air assault failing so far against Iran doing a lot of damages there but not bringing the intended results oh it's a two days war we're going to make them desperate just going

to be another Venezuela then they're saying Americans no matter what despite the fact that Tucker Carlson says we still have to cheer and support our troops going and massacring

people they are not going to stomach the uh ground troops on Iran. It's just

there. It's not going to happen. Then

you have a bunch of politicians who whose elections are coming due this coming November, midterm elections. So

there are and then just like with Erdogan, there is such a divide now within the US military, the the the one with the cross on their

foreheads right?

um and uh extremists and these are I call them antichrist because everything they do in action is against Christianity. If you really examine it

Christianity. If you really examine it from the Christianity angle, but there are other generals who are expressing their um their their opinions, they're

like, "No, this is wrong."

Trump actually it was brought up by the CIA during a briefing saying why don't we go to plan C Syria model. What is the

Syria model? Syria model is the ISIS

Syria model? Syria model is the ISIS model. The ISIS model is a jihadi

model. The ISIS model is a jihadi al-Qaeda ISIS via CIA and Turkey being unleashed on Iran. And not only

from one front, there is an important front and that is northwest Iran, San And region where technically is Iranian

Kurds bordering Iraq to northeast which is the airbel and Teracook Iraqi Kurds right so there is that's one area to go

in and for them unfortunately for humanity fortunately Americans they couldn't win the hearts and minds of the Iranian Kurds, Iranian

Kurds the way they they they are the way they they they are not anti-government more than that they are not anti-Iran as

it is with let's say the Kurds we had in Iraq who cooperated with Israel and the United States against Saddam

>> and were betrayed by the US twice were betrayed by the US they can be betrayed 10 times they have been so co-op opted by Israel that that that they they

considered themselves especially the ones in Iraq. the Kurds like Bzani in northern Iraq. Kirkook airbuilt that

northern Iraq. Kirkook airbuilt that region right within a couple of years after the Iraq war started Israel started pouring

into northern Iraq and it's a psychological operation is you would be interested in that and they said look nobody in this world understands you

better than we the Israel you know minority you're under persecution and this by Turkish government Turkey and this and that by Saddam you were gassed.

You know they they engage in genocidal practices. Nobody has better

practices. Nobody has better understanding than us when it comes to you and for you f and nobody has as good

like your interest the way we have your best interest in mind. They started

training arming right the northern Iraq Kurdish factions. In return they said we

Kurdish factions. In return they said we want to install our satellites. They

have radars. They have various military bases several of them all over northern Iraq. Bzani is Israeli part. Okay. So

Iraq. Bzani is Israeli part. Okay. So

they have been under control since 2005.

So you're looking at 21 years. Okay. And

despite the fact that it's alarming for Turkey because Turkey the government there itself is a slave is a puppet with all the black male stuff they can't I

mean initially they kicked and screamed and they said it's going to cause war but they backed up and they just zip zip. Okay. uh Iranian Kurds, you're

zip. Okay. uh Iranian Kurds, you're looking at a totally different um mindset, mentality and uh they feel more

nationalistic than Kurds or Iran. Okay.

And even though there have been some small minor incidents, clashes between the government there, Iranian government and the Kurdish faction in Tur Kurd uh

in northwest Iran. It never it has never been like out of control, you know, blowing out of proportion. So,

it's not the same thing as was experienced in Turkey between Turkey uh government and the Kurds there because in 19 late 1980s early 90s a lot of bad

things happened. Okay, a lot of many

things happened. Okay, a lot of many villages were burned down during the clashes. They were militants, right?

clashes. They were militants, right?

Okay, I'm not taking right now sides here, but none of that has ever happened in Iran. So the Americans, the CIA,

in Iran. So the Americans, the CIA, Israel, they couldn't they couldn't co-opt the Kurds in Iran. So what

they're going to do is use that to try to get some of these jihadis, ISIS, well-trained arm into Iran as the US de facto ground troop through northwest

Iran. But they're also transporting some

Iran. But they're also transporting some of these jihadi ISIS people in order to penetrate Iran from its southwest border

which is Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sistan, Baluchistan region.

And for the past two three months I was I've been saying on the record on Patreon reports that before you see any

type of ground truce you know against Iran you have to see much more you know escalations in the system Baluchistan region because that's

strategically is important to Israel because of Iran it's very important for the United States because of Zingan region China and Afghanistan. Pakistan

that region. So they are transporting some of them because what they want and this is why Iran is being very smart because they were not smart the first

time around during the 12-day war.

It's a strategy. Okay. It's it's a very smart strategy. Instead of having one

smart strategy. Instead of having one big war with Iran, Israel and the US, they are doing this dipping dabbling business. Meaning the first one, the 12,

business. Meaning the first one, the 12, they didn't intend any ground troops.

They didn't really expect for the regime to follow, but with to do it four to six steps, six times max, four times

minimum. Okay, I have military insider

minimum. Okay, I have military insider sources as well. And you, you know, it's like an erosion. You have these boulders, you have these rocks, right?

that the ocean waves they come each waves erose some at some point thousand years later you have sand nothing but sand okay that's the visualization for

it with each one of these operations war with Iran they are depleting more they are learning more about Iran's true

capabilities Iran's own war strategy they are figuring out you can have all sorts of strategy military strategy on the paper. Nothing teaches you of your

the paper. Nothing teaches you of your enemy or your target's position better than inaction. And you think right now

than inaction. And you think right now they are not documenting the direction of where this some of these missiles are coming from how the cells. So they are learning and they were not expecting to

go there and this is going to be a quick war again. That's another style they are

war again. That's another style they are putting out there. That's BS. They but

that is their intended right. We got to do it in four steps. Each one is going to deplete Iran more because we know we can't do it in one big war. First time

around, Iran fell for it. Okay, maybe it was being gullible. This time around, it would be deadly. They know that. Meaning

they will not fall for it again. Oh,

we'll sit down, negotiate. Maybe they

lift some of the sanctions. No, this is the existential war for Iran. What? as a

nation and of course the government they have to go all the way.

>> They have to go all the way and they are smart people. Okay, they are smart, very

smart people. Okay, they are smart, very intelligent people. They're not stupid.

intelligent people. They're not stupid.

Meaning all the way is all the way. All

the way is especially Iran. It's not the same thing in some other countries. But

as someone who lived there, you won't believe the level of dedication. Not

because of the government. In fact, the Iran Iraq war, that's a topic for another day, helped the government become rooted in Iran because it unified all the factions who were saying we

didn't cause the revolution to have an Islamic government. My father and I, we

Islamic government. My father and I, we were demonstrating against Iran's shock.

My father was tortured by Sha. His

toenails were pulled out as a surgeon who was the director of one of the biggest hospitals in Tehran, right? They

there were factions who wanted people like my father representative government parliamentary mosad version right then we had a faction who were uh communist

right they were they were they wanted to have the uh Soviet Union communist version very small no more than 3 4% most of them you know students in in

universities in Iran then we had mojahed which is like the most effed up concept of anything a Marxist Islamist. just

like whoa like what are we talking about me right they had a good 10 15% then we

had a 50 45 50% of conservative religious conservative and religious of various degrees they were not all extreme hijab and all that stuff they

had those they had middle grounds they had lower level we all united in Iran we had a common enemy we don't want a monarchy anymore

It was a degenerate monarchy. You had 2% of the population live a good life. You

had practically no middle class and then you had 70 75% in poverty with your oil.

Not even really national honestly. So

this was like unacceptable. And the

decision was we will have a revolution.

And I was as a 10-year-old I was out there. I was out there with my fist

there. I was out there with my fist death to shock next to my father. And my

father also taught in the university of Tehran you know uh as a in the medical school there like he mobilized all his students to join this massive protest

that we were attending. We said death to shock. We don't want death to monarchy.

shock. We don't want death to monarchy.

However, we want to have a representative democratic government.

Right? And that was the agreement. Then

what happened was after we succeeded, the Islamists got together with Mudra and uh and uh and they said, "Look, the ones who shouldn't be part of our

coalition, I'm just simplifying it, putting it out there for you, okay? um

tudday Hezb was a communist one okay and they were good people okay idealist leftist you know pro-soiet Union less than 5%. These

people, they are Russian stooges and they want Iran going from getting rid of monarchy becoming part of the Soviet Union. Because if you look at the region

Union. Because if you look at the region back then, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Eastern Europe, Balkans, all the caucuses, you have the um Central Asia, it was all you

only had Iran and Turkey. Well, Turkey

was part of NATO.

And if Iran had a big percentage of communist party that would have been true nightmare for the US because then the Soviet Union

would have Iran join it. But they were 5%. 5% or less. But the Islamists, okay,

5%. 5% or less. But the Islamists, okay, and possibly CIA blended in there, who knows? They said, "We need to round up

knows? They said, "We need to round up these guys and we need to gun them down, kill them." It was mass execution.

kill them." It was mass execution.

there we didn't participate in it but that was the excuse they used that if we let them as a part of coalition they're going to be Russian stooges they're going to be spies for Russia they want to make Iran communist Iran is a Muslim

nation I'm talking about they were they were they were stood up in hundreds thousands against the wall with machine gun

they were killed over >> after so you talk after >> afteri came >> I know >> after we had Rajabi all those stuff is

still part of the coalition >> once they cleaned up that they said okay now we're going to get rid of MEK because they're Marxist and this and

this they basically ended up being the last one standing the religious faction conservative faction which again had three different

degrees within it right there was actually good enough descent on the ground and lo and behold the Iran

Iraq war started and when that started everybody had to say we all had to say Iran first we are under assault by a foreign enemy backed by the United

States the great Satan right and through via Iraq that has the chemical bombs later given through Romell that was used okay now we need to put our differences

aside well that war lingered for 8 years, 9 years, 10 years.

>> And my father and I and my, you know, we left Iraq in 19 late 1981, early 1982, came to Turkey because that was just getting unbearable.

But the long war allowed the current government, right, the the ultra-conservative Muslim Shia

government to establish rooms and become permanent. Had it not been for the war,

permanent. Had it not been for the war, they would have been gone. Probably they

would have been gone. I mean, I don't have a crystal ball. I didn't have it.

But war unites and that brings us to today. Meaning whether you are Kurdish

today. Meaning whether you are Kurdish Iranian, whether you are Tabrizi, Azarbaijani Iranian, whether you are

Baluchi Iranian, you know, sis from Sistan area from that and that region, you are first an Iranian and you would

die for your nation. And it's in such a spiritual level for this ancient civilization that is incredible to see.

And my godfather was this man who went to university with my father medical school. And if you have Iranian

school. And if you have Iranian audience, they would know the name. His

name is Padi H a Di Manovi. M A- N A FI.

He became the surgeon general during Humeni regime in Iran. Okay. He he he he became a very high level guy. He's a

he's an amazing man. Okay. He's like a he was like a father to me when uh in Iran but he had a son Medi and he his

son was five years older than me and I have right now like half a dozen pictures of me one year old next to me right and because our fathers were best friend his father it's like wouldn't it

be great they would tell each other one day they will grow up who knows they may fall in love and get married you know that kind of things that people say oh their childhood sweethearts around one year old.

The reason I'm bringing this up is not to share personal information but during

the early stage of Iran and Iraq war.

Um Mei was about 16 17 not 18 years. So

he came to his father to Dr. Hardi Manafi. He was a medical doctor. He's

Manafi. He was a medical doctor. He's

still alive. He's there. He's from Tabri like part of my father. My father's was partially from Tabris and his father moved to Tabris from Baku Aarban. Maybe

he came to Hadi Manafi and said I want to sign up and go to the south of Iran.

I want to fight against these American represented Iraqis and save our our nation. And his father said, "No, you're

nation. And his father said, "No, you're a student. You're 16." know they had

a student. You're 16." know they had this philosophical debate because he as I said man he was an amazing guy and and

he Miy needed his signature his father's signature to allow him to go and join the war he's like 1617 he defeated his dad and his dad it's like you know he's going to run away and

do that so he gave this his signature and maybe he went there uh to southern

part of Iran a 16 17 year Oh, and um then they were so un unmatched because US was providing all these planes and

the tanks and the guns and Iran had nothing. They already had killed all the

nothing. They already had killed all the communist parties. Russia, Soviet Union

communist parties. Russia, Soviet Union was not helping Iraq really. They were

not uh US. But then there it was Saddam Hussein. They had all the things they

Hussein. They had all the things they needed. So they're moving towards Iran

needed. So they're moving towards Iran and all they had was like very similar to the Palestinian kids. They have these rocks they can grab and they are throwing at the Israeli tanks in

Palestine in Gaza, right? It was like similar situation but very smart people with the strategy.

So these tanks they were progressing towards more and more inside Iran.

Saddam's tanks. This is before the chemical stop that came around 1984 after we were gone. But at night they would um you know they they would have

less security and and the tanks would go through the through the break mode.

Maybe strapped all these ex ex you know explosive stuff wrapped it around his body and said I can get rid of one tank.

I don't we don't have the guns. We don't

have the tanks. We don't have those, you know, sophisticated stuff, but we love our nation and you die for your nation.

Not, you don't have to be straightforward killed. You can kill

straightforward killed. You can kill yourself like in some ways or let yourself die, be killed to save thousand

others by hindering one tank. But that

evening, several Iranians, maybe among them, strapped with explosives. They

they blew up four or five Iraqi tanks.

And my godfather couldn't recover even bits and pieces of his son.

My father went for the condolence, you know, ran to his side and uh and of course grieve everybody grieavves differently and when you're traumatized

I guess by the news there are all sorts of ways maybe you express or not express yourself but my father was weeping and crying and

Dr. Hardy Manovi was not crying and um he looked at my dad and he said don't cry that was his wish to serve his country you know of course he's not mature

enough right you would think you know he's still minor but who determines who puts who puts that thing you can't drink until you're 21 in the US because it's the greatest thing right you can drink

when you're 18 in Europe you may be able to drink if you're 16 so those arbitrarily ages are are are selected and then put into laws, right? And then

people say this is like the gospel, we have to go with it. But he said that's what he wanted and and he did it for his country and he truly he and several

others they ended up actually those people defeated Saddam eventually.

You won't have those types of people. I

don't believe in western societies. You

know, you had Japanese doing it with their kamicazi um soldiers, right? Pilots during World

War II. Um but you you find those in

War II. Um but you you find those in some of those very intricate and interesting and complex ancient cultures

and that is not comprehendable, understandable for people in the west.

Now they can go through years of university and academically study it and they will you know they will uh gain some understanding but you have to live

in the culture for a while. You need to know the language. you need to know the the ancient culture, the the belief

system and the spirituality because it's in some ways this is spirituality you know um and that is that is another

weakness that the US has they they can't understand that you know and uh when they say oh if the Iranian opposition groups whatever is their

percentage they see that their government is weakening and we are bombing killing 160 plus little children in schools they would come from the other

side so it will be a two-sided wars and they will topple their government we are giving you the opportunity you come with our airplanes you go on the ground we're going to topple the regime I mean first

of all it is extremely low IQ to even have that sort of a you know warp deduction especially these people being like intelligence and military people.

That's why I'm saying probably Israel's fingerprint is all over this. Uh the

second of all is you you have to know your enemy to defeat it. That's the number one rule in

defeat it. That's the number one rule in wars or any nations like you have to if Iran is your enemy and if you don't as a country not a government and if you

don't understand the Iranian people's psychology spirituality culture you don't have a chance. I mean yes you do.

You can actually carpet bomb them, but it would be killing them all like killing 90 million people because of the 90 million people, I would say easily 65

70 million of those people would fight till death and they would put their lives on the line and that is something that they don't understand in the western culture. I know because I've

western culture. I know because I've been there, I've been here, I've been everywhere.

>> Sorry for the longwinded answer. There

is a it's a very lively you're very lively speaker so I I'm not inclined to uh to interrupt but there is a risk in this strategy of course. Yeah. So Golden

Maya was already asked if she would have if she would use nuclear weapons if she would have to and she said yes and I'm hearing that uh the use of tactical nuclear weapon weapons are already

discussed both in Washington and in Tel Aviv. So this this kind of religious

Aviv. So this this kind of religious fundamentalism Yeah. And I'm saying this

fundamentalism Yeah. And I'm saying this as a qualifier uh might backfire for Iran in a certain sense. I have no clue what happened what would happen globally

if either Israel or the US more likely probably Israel would use a nuclear nuclear tactical nuclear weapon because then I mean you know you have the Japan

Japan effect I mean yeah but there's one thing >> because they are the radical fundamentalist this Israel Zionist Israel they are the radical uh u uh

fanatics right that that drives One more >> there. There's one more thing if you

>> there. There's one more thing if you allow me because you're spot on. So we

we we know now in Israel you have a religious fundamentalist regime. Yeah.

What's lesser known and coincidentally I published yesterday an article about that is that this fun fundamental this Christian fundamentalism has penetrated in the American into the American

government and into the American uh military. And we know that because we

military. And we know that because we have already 200 formal complaints from active servicemen complaining that their commanders are telling them that uh

Trump is anointed by Jesus Christ and they are going to Iran for to cause the Armageddon meaning the return of the of Jesus Christ. I mean, how crazy can that

Jesus Christ. I mean, how crazy can that be?

>> To report on that, Thomas uh asked uh our mutual friend Lucas and that came up during one of my podcasts five months ago. I said there is something

ago. I said there is something interesting because these are not insider whistleblowers because I also know people who are within military that I I told during my podcast and it's

still there that podcast Lucas would uh direct you. I said I was told that they

direct you. I said I was told that they have penetrated a fanatic uh Christian fundamentalist just like the Zionist fundamentalist the US military because

he's telling me currently he's like a lieutenant colonel that if you are not part of what he calls this guy the guy I'm talking to if you are not part of

the cult and not only that you are uh religious you have to uh sign up with their designated churches meaning you can't just go to the neighborhood

churches where you grew up and it's like normal Christian church there they have already list of churches for every single location where US military bases

are if you're not part of it's like a cult right if if you're not you don't get to be I I won't get to be promoted to a colonel and I would remain a

lieutenant colonel forever if you are not part of it part of that cult is pay grades it's everything so it's it's It's

it's it's Israel's they succeeded because again they have had that operation for nearly four decades very actively in the United States

infiltrating the churches select churches right especially the mega churches which they don't exist anywhere in the world in the world religious

Christianity in the form of America USA I haven't seen it anywhere else I've heard there are some similar mega churches in Brazil, which I have never

traveled in Brazil, but in Europe, I I have always been told by Europeans like we have our church that we go on Sundays

and Easter, we don't have these special lights like a disco tag and multiple screens and then you come with a

parachute. The minister lands and

parachute. The minister lands and hypnotizes people. People are writing

hypnotizes people. People are writing checks in thousands. Then they are selling the hats and the t-shirts and with the church stuff and then they gain

another $10 million fundraising.

Churches have gone corporation. So there

are two tracks. One is the infiltration and poisoning by the Israeli ultraionist of the American Christian churches. And

the second level is your you know decadence degeneracy of extremely warped uh capitalism of saying each church is a

money-making opportunity. We make the

money-making opportunity. We make the front of the church like as a front an NGO 501c3. We don't have to pay tax. We

NGO 501c3. We don't have to pay tax. We

take the other parts and do a subsidiary under the umbrella. We do the t-shirts and the hats and we invest in real estate. And then we do these shows,

estate. And then we do these shows, right? I mean, there are some where

right? I mean, there are some where there are skimpy clad girls. This is

like this is like degenerate. They come

like a like a cheerleaders for the for the for the sport teams before the minister comes. I mean, it's like a

minister comes. I mean, it's like a Super Bowl. It's like a Super Bowl show

Super Bowl. It's like a Super Bowl show for some of these mega churches. And now

it has become normalized. Meaning, ah,

it's a normal thing. But you get other Christians from around the world coming.

They look at it and it says this is Las Vegas. All church is Allah Las Vegas. So

Vegas. All church is Allah Las Vegas. So

you have the combination of these you know radical genocidal Zionist ultra Zionist uh fanatics infiltrating and

hijacking co-opting. You have the maybe

hijacking co-opting. You have the maybe organically due to this weird you know like our healthcare. Our healthcare is not about healthcare. Our healthcare is

all about company profit model. Has

nothing to do with hypocratic oath that my dad took seriously. It has nothing to do with human health. It has nothing to do with prevention. If there's a cure

for cancer, which there has been some promising stuff, they are eliminated because there are lobbies, business lobbies. Chemotherapy, chemol lobby is a

lobbies. Chemotherapy, chemol lobby is a very strong lobby. You keep people hooked on chemotherapy for five years, you can make trillions of dollars.

Imagine how many tens of millions of people going to go through that versus if there is this therapy that it takes five days and it costs only $5,000. The

lobby would prevent it. Same thing for many of these churches in the United States of America. And it's very unfortunate. And Tucker Carlson is one

unfortunate. And Tucker Carlson is one of them. And and it's a scout. is a sigh

of them. And and it's a scout. is a sigh up.

>> I inter to conclude this interview slowly. I interviewed Norm Chomsky twice

slowly. I interviewed Norm Chomsky twice and uh in one of the interviews at the end he said something that really stuck with me. He said they will blow up the

with me. He said they will blow up the world but who cares? They have God on their side like this. I mean the Sionists. Yeah. Thei the

Sionists. Yeah. Thei the

fundamentalists. Yeah. They about

between 60 and 80 million fundamental or sinist Christian or how do you call them in the US? It's not one block. Yeah. The

the fractions but you have an audience about 60 to 80 million who who reads this literature and uh I think no American president can be can become president without their support. Right.

>> I >> talking about support >> believe it.

>> Sorry.

>> I I I I find it 100% believable. I think

today the percentage of people who believe this as I do as as you do have increased now though that's a positive development. I know we talked about a

development. I know we talked about a lot of grim stuff that but but this this can be a turning point which is horrible

like the stuff with Iran because we all knew at least those of you and those of us who have been talking about it that it's going to get even much worse before it's possible for it to get better.

>> I agree.

>> Yeah. I believe we are approaching we are approaching that point and with that point I mean so many things can happen and some of them in the end result in

long term will be a good thing you know I know they are doing it for self-preservations but but the uh the the the rulers of UAE you know GCC they

have been Israeli stooges USCIA stooges forever now they are saying we're going to have you remove your base that's not because they have repented. That's

because their survival they think depends on it because their people are about to revolt. You know, especially in places like Bahrain, you know, they have

a a decent level of like a Shia faction.

Um the Saudi Arabia, do you know how many times the US military has prevented revolution in in you know in Saudi Arabia just in the past 45 50 years? And

now you have no idea how many people are in jail in Saudi Arabia because nobody's allowed to report on this. You are

looking at the global awakening and revival reach possibly possibly with horrible things first coming which we know like look at the school 160 death

too many of children innocent children yet we may be at the verge of possibly another renaissance possibly down the road like

the the light at the end of the tunnel or if to be realist and think there's also a of being the eternal hell and inferno and find ourselves in a Dante's

inferno saying this is this is basically where we are. We are in hell and and they are both possible but still I believe a lot of it depends on people just like those people in Iran with

their strong belief system and a spirit or people who revolt. I I mean that's incumbent. I I'm not going to preach it

incumbent. I I'm not going to preach it like uh Tucker Carlson does, but I would say it's incumbent on every single one of us, every single human beings to do

their part. And it may it may sound or

their part. And it may it may sound or seem so insignificant like you know, who am I? Look at me 5 foot three things,

am I? Look at me 5 foot three things, you know, I have maybe 150 followers. I

mean, I can't do anything. That's like a such a wrong way of thinking and and but to to switch into the more empowering

thing be old. I'm I expose the stuff with Turkey as covert play duality as a result again I have a ban I can't go back there. They ended up sending death

back there. They ended up sending death threats. But you know what that means? I

threats. But you know what that means? I

have maybe caused a little scratch there. And uh and that was my father's

there. And uh and that was my father's way of thinking. And I mean being an older lady here, I haven't learned despite all the slaps and fallings and

destructions and everything. Here I am still refusing to give up on on that idealism because without that without

that idealism that gives the passion and fire and actually motivation I would be like a robot. I would rather die than be

a robot and say here's my 401k. I have

my retirement secured here. Don't cause

wave. Don't cause wave and tell your husband or your wife, let's go and enroll in this other church otherwise you won't be a colonel. Right? These

things that we think they don't have consequences. Every action or every

consequences. Every action or every action there is a reaction. And it's the combination of the positive actions, empowering actions that can make the

possibility one more possible. and that

is we going to hopefully get to the renaissance stage after we go through this huge bump.

>> On that note and I like to end my interviews with a positive note and you did it unprompted so thank you for that.

>> Okay C >> it was my real pleasure talking to you.

One last thing, you mentioned him already, Lucas Morato. That was one of my subscribers >> and apparently an acquaintance from you.

He brought us kind of together. So, I

would like to thank Lucas here at the end.

>> Likewise. Same here.

>> And and I thank you Liil once again once again for your time. It was my pleasure talking to you.

>> Likewise, my pleasure as well. Thank

you.