The PED Market Is Changing — FDA Crackdowns & What 2026 Will Look Like

Yeah, I'm going to wear this shirt everywhere and I'm going to be curious to see like out in public at the grocery store who stops me and says, "Yeah, buddy." Yeah, deable.

buddy." Yeah, deable.

>> You mean Dianible?

>> Dianible. Deian.

>> No, Dianible.

>> D.

>> If it was D, it would be D. You

illiterate.

>> Dannibal.

You've never heard of somebody named Deianne?

>> It's Diana.

>> Princess Princess Diana.

>> Diana. Yes. Exactly.

>> Princess Diana.

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>> That's how you're supposed to say it.

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appreciate everything you guys have done for us over the year. Dave, I have incredible news. So, first of all, this

incredible news. So, first of all, this will be our first episode of 2026.

We're recording it right before 206, but we can pretend. Hey, happy new year.

>> Happy New Year, man.

>> I have incredible news.

>> You're pregnant.

>> That's the other news. So, first news is this. Did you know that? So Arnold UK is

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>> You're not coming. Please tell me no.

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>> Yes, I've got your airfare. You're

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>> I'm going to for real. I'm going to try to figure out a way, man. I got to get over there. I I got to see you again.

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>> Mutant will be here, won't they?

>> Mutant will be there. I'm not sure like what we're going to do, though. Like,

>> it's really, you know, the Arnold is this year at this time's really weird.

Um, we've we've agreed our stand and everything and it's taken ages. They

just don't seem to be on it. Signed the

contract just before we went. Now,

normally the moment you send that email, there's an email from account saying pay. Yeah. Yeah. No, we talked about

pay. Yeah. Yeah. No, we talked about this the other week. That's why That's why I'm pumped. It's happening now, though right?

>> Not not not heard a thing. Uh lots of businesses seem very very nervous. They

want to do it, >> but they're very very nervous that is it really still going ahead because it just seems really slack on that front. But I

mean, have you got contest mutant like, "Yeah, we're definitely going."

>> Yeah. Yeah. They're they they've got it all set. They're already booking it and

all set. They're already booking it and everything. So,

everything. So, >> I mean, it should be good. It should be really good cuz the last one, all right, attendance was a little bit down as stands were a little bit down,

but overnight it were brilliant. It was

a really good event. I It's the first one I've enjoyed in a very long time.

>> Nice. Well, listen. Um, we've got a bunch of stuff today. Of course, we got everybody's listener questions, and you guys are welcome to comment with questions. That's how the show works.

questions. That's how the show works.

Dave is an expert witness for the UK court system, plus he's done education for the police and the military over there. And you can see him featured as

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>> Anyway, so listen, um I thought like for a beginning of the year show, I wanted to talk to you. Let's let's look back at

the changes in the steroid market in 2025. What do we foresee happening in

2025. What do we foresee happening in 2026? And I wanted to to lead that by

2026? And I wanted to to lead that by telling you about So, get this, man. A

couple weeks ago, there was this whole thing about how the FDA was going to crack down on underground peptide companies. And I did a video on it and

companies. And I did a video on it and it actually got a lot of traction. So

much so that people from like the mainstream saw the video. like people

that are not part of our community and they were like, "What are you talking about? This is ridiculous." Uh JD Vance,

about? This is ridiculous." Uh JD Vance, Donald Trump said that they're going to protect peptides and that peptides will be, you know, continue to be used in the US. They just signed it and blah blah

US. They just signed it and blah blah blah. Like peptides aren't going

blah. Like peptides aren't going anywhere. What they didn't understand is

anywhere. What they didn't understand is we were talking about how we've gotten our peptides, which in the US at least has been through research sites and and the government's going in through a big

shift to shut those things down. Have

you do you guys deal with that over there? Do you guys have like the the I

there? Do you guys have like the the I mean, you got I know of one in particular, but how popular are like quote unquote research peptides and research chem sites in the UK?

>> They've they've boomed massively. Uh

they used to be just a couple of fairly dominant ones that have been around for a very long time, you know, from the CJC days and all that sort of stuff.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Um more recently, there's been quite a few new ones, new ones under the market.

Um they are so the law basically is that peptides are not legal for sale for human consumption, >> right? You can sell them for research

>> right? You can sell them for research only and you can buy them as a private individual, but you can't sell them for for human consumption. There has been

people prosecuted for it. There has been companies shut down and and I've known individuals be prosecuted. Um,

>> generally it's driven by the FDA. Um,

sorry, trading standards. Generally,

it's driven by trading standards as this is not a control drug. It's a sale classification issue. It's not licensed

classification issue. It's not licensed for sale.

>> Uh but I have seen the police involved and I have seen the MH involved which is the medical regulatory body for medicines and stuff. So, get this. We've

had we've gotten warning letters for the most part, but since then now there have been, from what I understand, at least

four formal indictments that the FDA is really cracking down now. And I think it all comes down to the GLPs, you know, um

they didn't care so much with CJC and, you know, IPAM, all that stuff.

>> I'm not sure that as well. I mean though I think the GLPs have been a massive boom to these industries. I think

peptides in general have gained a lot of popularity across a wider broad spectrum of people.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh I'm seeing more peptide sites in the sense of discussion sites, you know, so like Facebook groups and stuff like that. Um, and obviously with a lot of

that. Um, and obviously with a lot of the new stuff like the MOTs and all the rest of it, we're seeing this this

big longevity user group growing into peptides, which I think they weren't that much into before. Now they've moved very much into peptides as well.

>> Um, and and obviously Janet was saying that the bulk of his work now is peptide testing.

>> So I think there's just been a massive boom all over. What you tend to find with these things, they become interested when they realize there's a load of illicit money there.

>> Oh, absolutely, dude. This is all follow the money. Follow the dollar.

the money. Follow the dollar.

>> Yeah. If it's not making a lot of money, they don't give a [ __ ] about it. Don't

matter how illegal it is, they don't really care. But when it starts showing

really care. But when it starts showing big numbers, then they suddenly get really, really interested in it. So, I

think that's a big driver behind it is the potential seizure aspect and the financial implications of what they can get out of it. All right. So, check this

out. So, I don't have the actual

out. So, I don't have the actual indictments, right? Like, like they're

indictments, right? Like, like they're keeping pretty tight lipped about what's actually going on with that stuff. That

said, I did find it was it was actually showing to me um that the FDA had released warning letters publicly to say, "Hey, these are the warning letters

that we put out like a year ago to several of these companies." And let me tell you something, there's some interesting stuff in here because these warning letters are the exact same

reasons that they're going to, you know, prosecute these places. And the Let me just read a couple things to you here.

So, first of all, I've got one in front of me. Um, if I can edit this, I'll add

of me. Um, if I can edit this, I'll add it to the show. But I tried to start editing it and they they list all the websites and then like the specific URLs

and YouTube would not be friendly to that if those websites are still up. I

don't want to, you know what I'm saying?

I don't I don't want their bots to think that we're trying to promote these sites. So, I would need to be careful

sites. So, I would need to be careful with that. But basically um to uh this

with that. But basically um to uh this company Prime Peptides, this letter is to advise you that the United States Food and Drug Administration has

reviewed your website at the uh this website D and observed observed um your products as quote peptides including

quote semiglutide and quote reatride.

Now they say that they have not only reviewed their websites but they've reviewed their social media. So they're

saying basically man they're like we don't buy it. We don't buy we see uh where was it here? There were there were

things saying that like although you say that uh here we go. Despite statements

of your products label labeling marketing um for quote research purposes only and quote not intended for human consumption

or clinical use evidence obtained from your website and establishes that your products are intended to be drugs for

human use. your products are drugs under

human use. your products are drugs under section 102G1 blah blah blah act 21 whatever. Um,

examples of claims observed on your website include and then they say like semiglutide and this is from the website. Um,

website. Um, reduces cardiovascular events. Uh, and

then they show a select trial of people that it was used in. Um, and then they also even quote things off of their Facebook page because it's not just the websites they're looking at. They're

looking at their Facebook page and they're looking at their YouTube pages, too. So the FDA is actually reviewing

too. So the FDA is actually reviewing YouTube content to use this against them in law. So here's my thought, Dave. Not

in law. So here's my thought, Dave. Not

only um you know are these warning letters did these go out a year ago, these are the exact same principles that they are now prosecuting these companies. Here's what I've seen. End of

companies. Here's what I've seen. End of

2025 now all these companies are saying, "Hey, we're not selling GLPs anymore. Uh

you know, we're closing out after 2025.

They will be done." Um, I'm wondering how do you think that that's going to affect the peptide market for 2026? I

have a thought on that. Well, I want to hear what you think.

>> Well, I think it's going to drive the price up. Obviously, if there's less

price up. Obviously, if there's less suppliers and it's more risk to supply always pushes price up. You know, the things that are the riskiest to get hold

of are the more expensive. Um, I think it >> it's going to take it to like the UGL's or going to be carrying it. it is going to be taken to UGL's and I think that

there will be an issue around quality of drug.

>> I think that will become a problem. Um I

think it will drive regular peptide users. People that have got into

users. People that have got into peptides because of GLPs or because of you other things are going to get exposed to the UGL market more so that it's going to drive people into the

black market drug sector even bigger.

>> Yeah. Um

but yeah, I mean I don't see it being a positive move in the way they're doing it. Um

it. Um but um I don't see an alternative when they want to enforce some sort of restriction controls. I don't see an

restriction controls. I don't see an alternative to it either.

>> I mean the bottom line is that these drugs have not passed clinical trials for human use.

uh they're not at this point.

>> GLP had or semiglutide has >> and rea is right on the cusp of it. They

had like the stage three trials coming out now. They're showing massive fat

out now. They're showing massive fat loss in it. It's we're seeing a lot of really great stuff with it.

>> I was thinking the more broadsp spectrum stuff, but I I think also with the sear and the retra this is a drive to protect the legit markets. See, the the peptide

market in general doesn't bother farmer, and I'm not a big farmer conspiracy guy at all in any way, shape, or form. But

the bottom line is the vast majority of peptides available have no impact on medicinal drug sales, except those [ __ ] >> especially now. They're brand new. You

know, like Redda hasn't even come out yet. Everybody is already using it.

yet. Everybody is already using it.

You've got to remember that the user population in the US alone is 20, 30, 40 million plus.

>> What do you mean?

>> That's how many people use GLPs.

>> You're kidding me. Wow.

>> There's 20 men 20 million registered semiglutide users in the in the USA.

>> Holy crap. I'm not registered, but you can add me to that list.

>> But that's my point. So if they're registered users >> and then you put in the peptide market and the number of people that are using that are not going through legit pharmaceutical group.

>> Yeah.

>> It's huge. So when you look at if they're potentially losing 10 million users, they're potentially losing what? 100

million plus in revenue a month, maybe more.

>> Oh. Oh, dude. Dude, we can't even fathom the amount of money, you know, that's that's going to be that is lost or being lost from these companies. The the you

know, I I I also wanted to talk about um anabolics because we saw a massive shift in 2025. And you know, it's funny

in 2025. And you know, it's funny because we still have some people that are like, I don't know what you're talking about. My my company still has

talking about. My my company still has been selling Primo all along. like that.

We still will get those comments, you know, and and I'm not going to say that Primo has totally dried up and it's totally been gone. But let's face it, man, Primo and Mast became a hot

commodity to get like they they definitely the resources to get those it really became reduced. But, you know,

now fast forward to 2026, what do you see in the market? Because

I'm seeing changes. I'm I'm seeing mast come back in a big way. I'm I'm not seeing it back to the point it was. It's

still considered to be like an extremely exotic, harder to get compound. I

definitely would want to get it tested if I picked some up, but I am seeing it on the market more than I did say several months back.

>> Now, that's strange cuz I was speaking to a lab owner literally the week before I went away.

>> Okay. and he was saying that he's having still having problems across the board getting all roars.

>> Okay. Yeah. No, I don't think it's done yet man.

>> Um, so he said there's still supply issues. Um, but it's not just Primo and

issues. Um, but it's not just Primo and mass, it's everything. You know,

sometimes he's struggling to get tests.

>> So, but there's demand. So, there will always be someone willing to fulfill that demand. I've heard stories about

that demand. I've heard stories about certain labs going for individual manufacturing licenses in China.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Uh so obviously there's a time process there, but I think if if that is true and they are successful, then as these producers start to get legit licenses,

you will then start to see supply improve. You may not see price reduce

improve. You may not see price reduce significantly if they end up with a monopoly, >> but but but you will see supply availability at least improve. So

>> yeah, it's I mean we still haven't seem to have got a legit real reason as to why all went be [ __ ] tongue.

>> Yeah. Nothing we can I mean we've seen I think >> we've had some ideas. Yeah. But um

>> I don't think we're ever really gonna find out for sure. But the thing is as well, I think I think if it is down to basically the government not getting

their cut, they're not getting what they want from a point of view of a taxation on the the the UG farmer market. And

there's new companies going I think for the old companies, it's difficult because you're you're you're going back into a practice

but now you're making less money at it.

Whereas someone coming into the market now, so someone coming into the license is basing it on, well, I've got to give them x amount because of my license.

I've got to pay these dues and fees because so they factoring that in.

>> That's factored in from the beginning.

Yeah.

>> So for them, they stomach that a lot easier because they build it into what they're selling and their marketing whereas the existing companies are having to restructure everything to accommodate for the fact that they've

now got higher fees and things like that to deal with. So, I don't know if that's a factor in it or or or what, but um

yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not in a position where I'm sort of thinking, oh, there's going to be a massive dry out.

We're not going to be able to get gear.

People are going to really struggle. But

at the same time, I'm not seeing much in the way of any any significant changes.

So, if you're seeing more availability, that's not where I've seen. But I don't see a massive amount of the supply side of things anymore in the sense I don't really speak to a lot of labs like I

used to.

>> Yeah.

>> So, you know, there's only a couple of people that I know that have labs that I'll chat to occasionally that I get information from. So, I've probably got

information from. So, I've probably got a very narrow window view here to be honest.

Now, on the one other point on this before we move on to listener questions, I also wanted to mention and I brought this up on uh a podcast the other week

is um the growth hormone market. So,

I've seen um issues with major bigname suppliers of generic Chinese growth where companies that are considered to

be tried and true are starting to see issues with the quality of the products they're getting. Things that are testing

they're getting. Things that are testing out at like 70s something% purity when we expect to be in the high 90s. So

they're seeing we're there still is good generic growth out there and I've seen the testing to prove it but I've also seen some fluctuation in there versus I

would say a year ago man it was just happen like everything was cheap everything was high quality as far as what I was seeing from the Chinese generic growth hormones but there seems

to be a little bit of instability in that market right now.

>> Yeah. Well, I think that's the same. I

got a message this morning uh from a Chinese peptide supplier. They

do roars as well, but uh to say that they're restructuring all their pricing.

>> Oh, of course they are. Right.

>> Yeah. So, basically, she's like, I'll send you a new price list tomorrow. I

was like, [ __ ] great. But so, that that to me would suggest that we're going to see price increases.

>> Okay. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all, man. All right. Well, listen. Um,

all, man. All right. Well, listen. Um,

we have a bunch of listener questions as always, and if everybody wants to take part in the show, that's how we run this thing. Dave, since we were away for a

thing. Dave, since we were away for a week, we uh we ended up with a whole lot of listener questions. So, I was thinking maybe we could rapid fire through some of this stuff.

>> Well, um, >> are we going to do my apology first?

>> Well, yeah. There's something else I wanted to show you.

>> Oh, do what you want to show me then. Go

and upset me more.

>> You want to see something pretty cool?

>> Probably not. It'll be [ __ ] It's that Diana Breakfast of Champions t-shirt, isn't it?

>> Look at that. One of our listeners, you see, Suma, sent this to me.

>> It's difficult to see cuz the letters are all squashed up.

>> Cuz I'm Cuz I'm so small.

>> Yes.

>> It's like trying to read uh you know like when those like Asian people like carve a grain of rice into a statue, you know, then you but you have to like get a magnif. Is that what you're saying?

a magnif. Is that what you're saying?

Something like that.

>> Something like that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm

gonna wear this shirt everywhere and I'm going to be curious to see like out in public at the grocery store who stops me and says, "Yeah, buddy. Yeah, deable."

>> You mean Dianal?

>> Dianible. Deanable.

>> No, Dianible.

>> D.

>> If it was D, it would be D E. You

illiterate [ __ ] >> Deanable.

>> You've never heard of somebody named Deian?

is Diana.

>> Princess Princess Diana.

>> Diana. Yes. Exactly.

>> Princess Diana.

>> Yes. Exactly.

>> That's how you're supposed to say it.

>> YES.

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right, so yeah, we got a bunch of comments Dave.

>> Say a bunch. It was free, but they were all right.

>> Well, I sent you three. There was like five more.

>> Oh, [ __ ] All right, >> let's talk about P5P.

>> No, let's talk Let's talk about Dave getting it all wrong.

>> Thank you. And here's the thing, Dave. I

appreciate you because if you make a mistake, you're the first person to be like, "Yeah, you know what? I messed up on that." You know, a lot of people are

on that." You know, a lot of people are like, "No, I am completely right." No, I I'm completely >> There'd be other people who would find like five studies to back up. If you

look at this research paper from 1973, >> I mean, I I obviously don't like giving out poor information or wrong information. Um,

information. Um, >> it's it's something I don't want to do.

It's something I don't try to do. Uh,

but yeah, I get [ __ ] wrong. What I can't work out is where I've got it from.

That's the bit that's bothering me. It's

like where the [ __ ] has this come from?

So I have previously said that nandrallone lowers dopamine transport proteins. That is incorrect. So dopamine

proteins. That is incorrect. So dopamine

transport protein or that as it's shortened to.

>> They remove dopamine from the receptor.

They don't take it to it. Uh then the other thing was that I said, >> wait, say that again.

>> They remove dopamine from the receptor.

They don't take it to it. They're part

of a recycling process. Okay.

>> So, what they do is collect dopamine from the receptor and return it back across the synapses. So, as a result, >> return it to where?

>> To where it comes from.

>> Okay.

>> Um, >> so that would make sense because I know that Dr. Dean, I had him on a few years back. We did um a podcast that I titled

back. We did um a podcast that I titled Hacking Sleep with Dr. Dean St. Mart and

he talked about the benefits of P5P before bed. And part of the reason is is

before bed. And part of the reason is is that you want to be able to clear that dopamine in order to give way to serotonin.

>> No. So P5P doesn't affect dopamine transport. So what P5 So what happens is

transport. So what P5 So what happens is el tyrrosine is converted to L-dopa, >> right?

>> And then L-dopa is converted to dopamine.

Okay? and delopa conversion to dopamine uses P5P.

>> Okay, >> so in order to increase dopamine production, not transports, which is where I got it completely wrong again. And I say I don't know where this has come from. I

don't know why I've got it stuck in me head. Um, so if you want to increase

head. Um, so if you want to increase dopamine production, P5P will help you do that. And if you increase tyrrosine

do that. And if you increase tyrrosine as well, then you'll not only you'll increase the tyrrosine conversion to do L-dopa and then the P5P will increase the aldopa conversion to dopamine

resulting in higher levels of dopamine.

>> I think and maybe one of our listeners can tell us. I think that it'll also enhance serotonin.

>> Yes. Now, yes, it has an impact on serotonin as well and it has an impact on a couple of other um I think it's GABA as well. So there are other

benefits from P5Ps not purely around >> dopamine production. So but yeah I I got it very very wrong. Uh not only in the

mechanisms but how it works.

Um, now what Nanderlone does do is now there is some this is so there was three three comments that that Scott sent me and they were all pretty much correct in

what they said and I was very wrong but one suggested that dopamine sorry that nandrula increases there's two types of receptors D1 and D2 uh that increases D1

receptor now I don't know of any evidence of that everything I've seen is either neutral doesn't affect T1 at or lowers them.

Um, nandrealone does lower the reward mechanism. So things that we do that we

mechanism. So things that we do that we get pleasure from is reduced, which is where it synergy comes in with cocaine. So you don't get the same

cocaine. So you don't get the same reward from cocaine as you would normally do. So therefore, people tend

normally do. So therefore, people tend to use more cocaine if they're using.

We've seen that I years back, man, the first time I had heard about this and I think we talked about it then was a listener was using a strong ADHD medication on and and and he started NPP

and he was like, "Hey man," he messaged me on Facebook. He was like, "You know what? I was talking to my doctor about

what? I was talking to my doctor about this. I need to use way more my

this. I need to use way more my medication um when I'm on this NPP cycle. It's not nearly working as well."

cycle. It's not nearly working as well."

>> Yeah. I mean, it it seems to be a very complex area cuz I know people that have ADHD treatments.

Um, and that's a very broad spectrum there as well. I mean, of different types and variations and and but they've said that when they're on and they actually find things a lot easier to

cope with.

>> Now, what it it also does is lower D2 um the D2 receptor, >> which is was pointed out by the people that commented as and I said they've all

been fairly correct in my understanding.

Um, and I was very very wrong. Um, now

one of the things that low D2 can lead to is addiction type behaviors and stuff like that. So there's ties with low D2

like that. So there's ties with low D2 and addiction. And it's very much the

and addiction. And it's very much the balance between D1 and D2 rather than the individual levels, but it's that balance between the two. So like if you've got low D1

and low D2 then you're looking at depression. But if you've got D1 over

depression. But if you've got D1 over stimulation but D2 down reggulation then you're looking at addiction.

So over stimulation of D1 would be linked to a higher output of dopamine.

>> Yeah.

>> I.e. you know more dopamine getting to get into it. And then obviously nandrallone would downregulate D2.

That's definite. So if nandalone doesn't affect the D1 but you see more dopamine present which you won't do which you'll

see more dopamine stimulation because the return process is not there because you lower the transport proteins you don't get the clearance the same. So

there is a a potential drive there for addiction through that. Um but yeah it's very much the the balance of the two that that causes the problems. So there

are there are some gray areas around it still that we're you know we're a bit way off on.

>> Yeah. And and it makes me think, man, when we hear people saying that like they have mental issues with Nanderlone, it completely adds up to me because

yeah, you especially somebody say who has like a very dopamine driven personality. You know, if you start

personality. You know, if you start interfering with that, then I think you're going to interfere with some things that make them feel like these are key foundational aspects of my

personality that are being affected. So,

I I could see that. And at the end of the day, it doesn't even if you were wrong, it doesn't change that P5P is beneficial with Nandrew.

>> Oh, I was I was way off. I don't know because the thing is when I read the comments, I was like, "Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. That's

right. Yeah, that's right. That's

right." And I'm like, "Why the [ __ ] how have I ended up here?"

>> But but am I right though? Like that. So

P5P, we're not saying that P5P isn't beneficial then with Nandrol because that's what this all goes back to regardless of what the science is.

>> So the the P5P is beneficial. Uh andone

is associated with depressive symptoms and it does lower the effectiveness of dopamine. So it does lower output. It

dopamine. So it does lower output. It

does lower reward mechanisms. I don't think there any things around issue. Um,

I disagree with the increase in D1. I

can't find any evidence of that. Um, now

someone suggested that it increases D1.

If they've got something on that, please send it me because I would seriously like to see it. And that isn't a I want you to prove you're right thing. That's

me wanting to delve a bit more into that because I can't see that.

>> I see a slight lowering or or or neutral. Most studies show a neutral

neutral. Most studies show a neutral impact on D1.

>> Comment with that. That would be great.

And hey, listen. There was also a comment as we kind of shift into our listener questions. A guy said, "Uh, I

listener questions. A guy said, "Uh, I used to experience anxiety from Nandrlone NPP. Uh, when I ran it with

Nandrlone NPP. Uh, when I ran it with mast, no issue." What do you think?

>> That'll be the I think that's probably DHN DHT related.

>> So, nandrallone converts downstream through five alpha to DHN. DHN can

occupy the space that DHT would occupy, but has a much weaker signal. So, I

think by introducing the DHT, you're increasing overall DHT levels, which is then supplanting the DHN.

>> Okay. All right. Let me see what else we have here. So, like I said before, guys,

have here. So, like I said before, guys, you're welcome to comment with listener questions. We love to answer your

questions. We love to answer your questions on every show. Comment on the latest episode on YouTube, and we'll try to tackle it on the next one. Um, all

right. So, uh, hey fellas. Love the

show. I have a question for the next one. Uh I ran first cycle. I'm 51 years

one. Uh I ran first cycle. I'm 51 years old from Australia.

Uh ran 250 milligrams of test only for 6 weeks. Then 350 test and 400 primo for

weeks. Then 350 test and 400 primo for the next 10 weeks. Uh all dosing was split into three times a week. Starting

out, I took 0.5 milligrams of Arimedex three times a week and my E2 was sitting pretty around 70 N uh 70 NM mole. Um,

however, I tried no ADEX for the last 3 weeks and when I got my labs, it was 460, no gynocides, and blood pressure

was perfect throughout, taken daily at a minimum. Any ideas on future cycles or

minimum. Any ideas on future cycles or paths forward? Um, I'm now on TRT again

paths forward? Um, I'm now on TRT again and will redo bloods in five to six weeks.

>> That seems a lot for a first cycle. The

second half did. Um, that's probably going a bit further than you need to go a bit early on. But the reason you weren't getting symptomatic of high estrogen was the mastron. So, the

mastron is blocking the receptor. Oh,

primo.

>> So, yeah, he's running Primo.

>> Was it real Primo, I wonder?

>> Yeah, that's unusual. I thought it was Master. uh

Master. uh >> 350 test 400 primo, I would imagine that his estrogen would be pretty well managed.

>> So I would suspect that that primo might be mastron.

>> Yeah, that's possible >> because if he's non-symptomatic of high estrogen, but he has high estrogen, then the receptors getting blocked, the estrogen is not getting lowered, primo

would lower the estrogen, so you'd see a lower estrogen level. Um but because he's not getting symptoms, I would assume then that the primo's been master.

>> Yeah. What would you say would be a good move for him for his second cycle? He's

50 years old. He's run those two those things as his first cycle. He's taking a break now. He's going to get labs in

break now. He's going to get labs in another five to six weeks.

>> I would probably go back to a test master or test primo cycle just lower doses. I wouldn't run it as high as he's

doses. I wouldn't run it as high as he's run it. Um, and maybe depending on his

run it. Um, and maybe depending on his personal circumstances, I mean, I know we've just been discussing the negatives and but a low dose 1500 milligram just

to have some joint support if he's got issues with that at his at his age. If

he hasn't, then I wouldn't bother. But

yeah, I'd be be tempted to to go back into it sort of just slightly lower, maybe 300, 300, something along those lines.

>> Okay. Yeah, I think that'd be great, man. Oh, nothing to add to that. How

man. Oh, nothing to add to that. How

about this one? Merry Christmas, guys.

Oh, this is just a comment. Thank you

for the great podcasts in 2025. I've

learned so much about peeds, peptides, and supplements. Looking forward to many

and supplements. Looking forward to many more in 26. Thanks. It's a nice comment.

We got a few of those. And thank you to everybody who's been watching, you know, through the year and everything. It's

been awesome. Dave, you pointed out you and I, we've been doing this show for five years now, hasn't it?

>> It is five years, is it? I think we started in 17.

>> [ __ ] hell. Really? It's nine years.

It's going into it eight years.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah, I guess it is.

>> Yeah, cuz we did it through lockdown, didn't we?

>> Oh, yeah. We We were well into it by the time we hit lockdown, man.

>> We were like well into it by then.

>> You know what? If I'd have murdered you, I'd have been out by now.

[Laughter] >> Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. This is I put up

>> Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. This is I put up with this for like seven, eight years, guys. Just throwing it out there to you.

guys. Just throwing it out there to you.

Um, uh, Scott, what concent, uh, well, what concentration was the painless DHB?

And do you know the carrier oil? I asked

about the carrier oil. I'll get back on that in the future. It was 100 milligrams per mill. It's interesting,

man. I had one batch of DHP, DHB, Dave, that was just brutal, man. Like I'm

talking can't sleep like you take a glute shot on your left and I'm like well I'm not sleeping on my left side for the next two nights and like every move you make every I'm sitting in my

chair kind of awkward walking awkward.

Oh god dude it was bad no matter what I did and I was like well maybe I'll take less. I'll take a I'll take a half mill

less. I'll take a I'll take a half mill and I'll mix that with a little bit of deca you know and my test right still terrible. Uh I couldn't get around it.

terrible. Uh I couldn't get around it.

But then I got another batch from someone else that is it it's beautiful man.

>> I mean apart from the obvious is a carry oil of stuff I do believe that brewing can have a significant impact on how painful DHP is.

>> Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Question for the next one. I recently found out I am

next one. I recently found out I am severely iron deficient, non-anmic and um likely have been for decades. So,

I decided to postpone my first cycle until feritin hits 150. It was nine.

Now, it's 50. Um, what is uh like is there an optimal range for uh feritin

for natural and enhanced lifters? Um,

how much less effective is gear in an iron deficient state? Loving the

podcasts. You guys are great.

I wouldn't say gear is in any way compromised by low iron, but obviously your performance and recovery could be.

Uh I don't think there's an ideal on the I mean I I want it in healthy ranges, but I don't think there's a sort of magic number you need to be hitting.

>> Um >> if if anything, I think sometimes feritin gets kind of can get high. You

know what I'm saying? As I say, if if anything, gear is going to elevate fire and feritin to some degree. So, uh,

>> yeah, >> I'm not saying that using gear should be a solution to the problem, but I don't think it's going to cause any negatives in terms of the problem, and I don't think you're going to see any significant real issues. I'm assuming

that you are now supplementing with iron, and that's what's bringing it back up.

um it might be worthwhile looking at if you haven't already done it some form of iron IV just to give it a boost start and then once you've got it upision

>> yeah and then once you've got it up use the oral supplementation to keep it up um >> I wonder how long it took him to get from 9 to 50 >> you know is that a long process and I

wonder what caused it like like that would be more my concern like what was the underlying >> is there is it an absorption issue is is there an underlying, you know, gut

problem or or is it a dietary issue which needs rectifying longterm anyway?

>> Yeah, I would be curious as to why it's there in the first place.

>> You could look at uh like copper and zinc levels and see where that's at. You

know, look to see what that balance looks like because that will affect your ability to absorb iron. Um I you know does he have any like you said gut any

kind of gut issues going on like celiac or anything or um what about like has he does he have like a low um like does how

what is his stomach acid situation like is he somebody who's used like a um a PPI long term like any of those types of things you know what I'm saying like >> I'd look into any of that

>> and figure out because I I I don't like the idea of like well I'm low in iron let's just take some iron and fix that.

Like, well, what got us here?

>> No, I think I think there's the treatment of the situation.

>> I'm not Yeah, I'm not I'm sorry. I

didn't mean that to discredit what you said. I agree% there's there's then

said. I agree% there's there's then there's the dealing with why the problem occurred in the first place.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, too many people No, I agree. I think

too many people rely just on the treatment of the symptoms rather than the looking retrospectively into right now, now I feel better. Let's look into why I got into this position in the

first place. And a lot of people ignore

first place. And a lot of people ignore that section because now I feel better.

I don't need to do anything else.

>> I heard an interesting analogy about iron and feritin to explain it the other day that iron is the currency and

feritin is the bank.

I like that one.

>> Okay.

>> You letting people in, Dave. What are

you doing there? Uh, it's I was trying to, but I missed him. My daughter's got it.

>> Okay.

>> You monitoring your security system?

>> No.

>> Tech security system on his compound. He

doesn't let people in unless he wants them in.

>> My [ __ ] cameras are [ __ ] up at the moment.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Wi-Fi jammers now that people are using to be porch pers.

>> That's the problem. It's something to do with the Wi-Fi. Yeah. They've lost

signal. Um, they're not receiving it for some reason. Well, your Wi-Fi is 10

some reason. Well, your Wi-Fi is 10 times better. Knock on for Micah.

times better. Knock on for Micah.

>> Oh, when we started the podcast, >> I didn't I didn't I didn't tell you. Um

I've just gone my Wi-Fi's just gone digital.

>> What does that mean?

>> So, we were supplied the signal via the old phone lines.

>> Oh. And about a week before I went away, they they came had to they stripped all the basically went right back up to the junction box and put in new digital cabling.

>> You look good. Like everything's been recording super clearly.

>> Yeah. So it's all it's all fiber optic now.

>> Oh, you've got fiber optic. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Andrew got that, too, which is incredible. In fact, dude, so he runs

is incredible. In fact, dude, so he runs his he runs podcasting for him off of a laptop, which obviously doesn't need wall power if you have a battery. And we

were recording one day and there was a big storm and all of a sudden the power in his house just went out, but he was still recording because he was on fiber optic recording on a battery. Isn't that

wild?

>> All right, what else do we have here?

Um, okay. for cruise doses would doing a lower dose of test and adding in stuff like DECA or

I think this is a typo. Adding in stuff like DECA, DNP, NPP and GH do anything uh any other compounds be beneficial or

is test only for a cruise the way to go?

If someone doses 250 test on a cruise, how much difference would say 120 test and 80 deca considering it's less total milligrams per week, but a combination

of two compounds?

>> I'm not even answering this.

>> DNP. I think you meant to write DMP in there.

>> No, I think you meant to write DHB.

>> Oh, okay. I mean, I I don't know. Oh, maybe

okay. I mean, I I don't know. Oh, maybe

like a test DNP cruise, you know, just between cycles, keep you trim.

>> Uh, you know, my standpoint, TRT, natural levels is how I would always recommend going between cruises to give your body a break and allow it time to recover from the stresses >> between cycles. Yeah.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Okay.

>> Um, people want to add extra, you can do the net gain. I personally don't see in the real world, I don't really see a net gain. I don't really see people with

gain. I don't really see people with better development because they've run a high cruise between cycles. In fact,

what I usually see is them just getting very blas about drugs and developing poor relationships with the drugs

they're using. Um, and it's not long

they're using. Um, and it's not long before 300 or 400 is just a baseline for everything. Um, so yeah, I I would I

everything. Um, so yeah, I I would I would stick to keeping that in between period rigidly within natural ranges even to be honest and and allow your body

plenty of time to recover and get fit and healthy before you go again.

>> Okay. So, we've talked about high test or excuse me, low test, high DECA. Um,

would I still need cber for prolactin control? Um, or is it like a lot of deca

control? Um, or is it like a lot of deca sides are mitigated by low estrogen from the low test?

>> No, I would you would still need the the the the cabber side of things. The

prolactin is is due to the dopamine effects or the impacts on dopamine that we discussed earlier on that had got wrong. Um,

wrong. Um, I'm not hiding from it. I might as well just be blatant about it. Keep it out there.

>> You own it, right? That's That's I think that's what people like. Your

transparency though, Dave. You're not

trying to pretend anything, right?

>> Oh, [ __ ] thick [ __ ] But >> hey, welcome back from your vacation.

You're wrong.

>> Come on the internet and tell everybody you're wrong.

>> Um, so yeah, the the cable is going to be to lower prolactin through to its direct stimulus of the the dopamine receptor.

So, uh, you will still need that. That's not

going away.

We had a question which we're not going to do this today, but I'm curious to take a poll from our listeners. Uh he

says maybe next week's episode steroid profile meant.

>> Do you guys want to hear about me again?

Do you want us to time ago we did Mint?

>> Yeah. Back when I was using it, we covered it a couple times. M I in fact I think I just recently published that on the B channel one of our old episodes

and I was I was like all beefed up and I'm like I'm running men right now Dave.

>> People watched that and they're like damn Scott looks swole back then. His

face looked round too.

>> I wonder why.

>> Yeah, right.

>> He shouldn't say.

>> Okay. Oh, this was just a really great comment. I wanted to make sure that we

comment. I wanted to make sure that we added it in. So, we talked about uh things for acne uh on the last episode

and James uh adds he says for acne take six grams of B5 a day. Spread it out into 2 g doses. Um also the first couple

days start with a lower dose like two grams then four grams to avoid diarrhea.

It helps calm the sebaceous glands by reducing sebum production uh which reduces acne. We didn't mention B5,

reduces acne. We didn't mention B5, which was a classic old school move.

Sometimes I think we forget the, you know, it's like when we've answered that acne question a hundred times. We just

pick and choose like what bits we're going to reshare again. You know what I mean? We don't cover it all every time.

mean? We don't cover it all every time.

But that was a good one, you know?

>> Yeah. It's it's it's easy to get carried away with the new stuff and forget. You

know what? There's actually old stuff that works really well.

>> Yeah. Oh. Oh. Um,

the what are can you I I somebody said I pronounced the this one wrong. What are

the three main ingredients for the ECA stack? I want to hear you say it first.

stack? I want to hear you say it first.

>> Ephidine, caffeine, aspirin.

>> Yeah, you said ephadrine.

I sometimes say ephidrine.

>> I don't >> which is kind of like creatin aphidine.

>> It's tomatoes tomatoes I suppose.

Really? I've heard Ephadrin in the past.

I used to hear that more often back it used to be real popular back in the 90s.

Ephadrine was and yeah I I would hear Ephadrin.

I don't know. But you ever hear people say Ephran?

>> You >> All right, let's not get into that.

We'll just move on here.

>> You and your Diana Diana Balls.

>> Diana Ballal. Yeah.

>> Dab balls. Yeah, you're Diana balls.

Yeah. I think it sounds classier, like I would extend my pinky when I was sipping tea. Deanna.

tea. Deanna.

25 milligrams of Dannabal. David,

>> look, I can't really criticize anyone for pronunciations. I am useless.

for pronunciations. I am useless.

>> I mean, I I I spent a very a long number of years pronouncing an as effanate. So,

I really need to just >> test an what did you say? Ethan instead

of >> Anthony. Yeah.

>> Anthony. Yeah.

>> Oh, just another comment here. Um, he

says, "Uh, impressive build on Dave's truck. He should do a build video."

truck. He should do a build video."

>> I heard you broke your truck.

>> I did break my truck. Shut up, Scott. Go

away. You horrible.

>> You broke Dave broke his toy.

>> I broke it pretty badly as well. Well,

yeah, fairly badly. Yeah.

>> What do you How How did you break it? So

I I the bonnet vents are nonfunctional on a stock Ram and the bumper vent is non-functional. And then behind the main

non-functional. And then behind the main grill, you have a motorized baffle that regulates air flow. So I made the bonnet vents functional. I made the bumper vent

vents functional. I made the bumper vent functional because that's where the intercooler is going to be going. And I

got rid of the baffle, made it an open grill. um which was fine from a point of

grill. um which was fine from a point of view of cooling, but it meant I massively increased the air flow into the engine. When I first got the truck,

the engine. When I first got the truck, we were going to use it for towing a trailer a lot for Eval for events and stuff. So, it had the water pump was a

stuff. So, it had the water pump was a bit knackered, so I put a new water pump on with a heavy duty clutch van.

>> Speaking of which, thank you again to uh Eval for sponsoring me for the Arnold.

I'm sorry. Carry on.

what I didn't grasp because I'm a [ __ ] >> Sorry, because I'm I'm a person of low intelligence.

Um, was one of the things they warn you about clutch fans is don't rev them with the bonnet up because the increased air flow is going to create a lot of air air pressure and those clutch fans can

actually explode.

So, I was out data logging doing the last pull, hit about six and a half thousand revs. Almighty bang. Looked in

my rear view mirror to see a steaming chunk of metal go rolling down the road.

>> Like literally a piece of your truck fell off.

>> So So basically the the clutch fan had exploded, taking with it the water pump and destroying the water pump.

Um the shroud around the fan had been literally obliterated by the fan blades exploding. And there were also several

exploding. And there were also several fan blades lodged in the radiator. Uh

they'd cut through some wires. Um my now oil pressure sensor doesn't work. So I

think they screwed that. They destroyed

the battery tray.

So I've had to fit a new water pump. Um

and a new radiator. Luckily I did have a new radiator cuz I was planning on changing it anyway. Um and I've had to order a new battery tray and a new oil sensor. But it is now back on the road

sensor. But it is now back on the road and running. Be it with

and running. Be it with >> sounds expensive.

>> Be it with no fans behind the radiator currently.

>> No, baby. We didn't mess with any of this stuff. It would have been running

this stuff. It would have been running just fine right now. You realize that?

>> Put gas in it, drive it to the store, drive it home.

>> It drives so much better with that clutch fan off.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, yeah. It's a [ __ ] different truck.

>> All right. Can I build muscle on 200 milligrams of TRT per week?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean that's like going to be a pretty like uh optimized TRT.

You know what I'm saying? Or you know what I'm saying? You're going to be at like high-end, aren't you?

>> So initially you will see an increase in progress, but that will soon diminish.

>> So this is my argument about high cruisers. Longterm there's no benefit to

cruisers. Longterm there's no benefit to them.

Um, so yeah, you will see some advanced progress initially, particularly if your test levels are currently low, but that that advantage will soon diminish. So

just bear that in mind. Um, and you're going to have an increased issue with monitoring blood thickness, >> um, HDL suppression and stuff like that as well because you're going to be

running out of range and you may need estrogen management as well. So, there

are a couple of short-term pluses, but there are some long-term negatives.

>> I agree with you. Um, we got one in Patreon that I think is extremely important for us to answer. Uh, from

Phil, he says, "Okay, for drugs and stuff, y'all did a question back for the best Halloween stack, but what about the best stack for Christmas and for New

Year's? What should they be running into

Year's? What should they be running into 2026, Dave? What should they have been

2026, Dave? What should they have been on for this?

>> Oh, all of it.

>> Uh, >> I would need some ECA honestly just to stay some excuse me, Ephadrine just to stay up to hear the ball drop. Like I

I'm going to be in bed honestly every New Year's by 9:30.

>> O, you bait me. I'm in bed by 9.

>> Are you really? So guys, that's what happens when you become a boomer. You're

old. What happens when you're old, mate?

That's what happens when you're old. I

mean, obviously Scott's hitting his 60s.

I'm in my 50s.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> So, um, it all depends on what you want to do, doesn't it? I suppose new year, new me. We're going to be looking at

new me. We're going to be looking at cutting.

So, I would have said what? Test mast

T3. Or you could go T3 so you can eat more food.

>> H. Got to throw a GLP one in there, too.

You think you're gonna eat less food if you're on a GLP one?

>> Yeah, you get that GLP in there though.

Get your insulin sensitivity up just like all your friends in the 80 mill what it Dave said like 300 million people in the US are using it right now or something. Is that what you said? Was

or something. Is that what you said? Was

that what was that number again?

>> 20 million registered semiglutadide users.

>> Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

>> It is exactly what you said. There's no

exaggeration or [ __ ] in that whatsoever, >> guys. You check that out, Dave. Um, you

>> guys. You check that out, Dave. Um, you

had a lot of time to sit and think and ponder. Um, I'm sure that you brought a

ponder. Um, I'm sure that you brought a journal with you and you penciled down a lot of great ideas for Uncle Dave's wisdom. By the way, we did get a lot of

wisdom. By the way, we did get a lot of feedback.

>> I DO. I DO HAVE ONE.

>> We got a lot of feedback on the last one, man. We had that guy write in who

one, man. We had that guy write in who was talking about like, should I settle down and look for a wife or, you know, should I keep doing the selfish bodybuilding thing? We had a lot of

bodybuilding thing? We had a lot of really good advice for him on that one.

He and and he took it to heart. So we we think we're helping people, Dave. We're

helping people. What do you got for us today?

>> I've stole this so completely.

>> So you don't really have one is what you're telling me. You stole someone else's Uncle Dave's wisdom.

>> Isn't really what we do the regurgitation of information that we've gathered from somewhere else.

>> Yeah, pretty much. I mean, even if you think you have your own thoughts, it's influenced by everything else.

>> Yeah, exactly. So shut the [ __ ] up.

Um, depression is fixation on the past.

Anxiety is fixation on the future.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> So, put your head where your feet are.

>> Put your head where your feet are >> as in now. Where you are standing now is where you want to be occupying your

thoughts. the present, not literally

thoughts. the present, not literally where you're standing now. YOU

you confused me.

>> You know, you understand then why he struggles to say words, don't you?

>> You know, I for dream >> cuz he eats crayons.

>> He got a new set for Christmas. He's

dead excited. He's got yellow again. Um,

yeah. So, you know, I think we all need to live a little bit more in today. Um,

and the other thing that I I would say I noticed, so I spent a lot of time this holiday just sat on the beach. Didn't do anything else.

beach. Didn't do anything else.

And you walk out and I'd sat on the beach and there was sand, there was rocks, there was the sea, and there wasn't really anything else to see.

>> Okay.

>> Or so I thought.

And then I'd noticed, oh, there's some bluey green crabs on those rocks over there. Yeah.

there. Yeah.

>> Oh, there's a seethrough crab there.

Oh, actually, this bit of floor is moving cuz it's full of hermit crabs.

>> Did you try to eat them?

>> No.

>> Did you eat any of those crabs?

>> No. We we we set up a real estate and we were offering them new shells to see if we could get any of them to change.

Didn't work, but >> No. All right.

>> No. All right.

>> No, they they quite like plums, though.

They got a thing for plums and pear. Uh,

>> you were feeding them fruits, huh?

>> Yeah.

Um anyway, um and I just sort of thought, you know what, this is very

true of life in that we we miss so much because we're so busy or we're so focused on tomorrow or so focused on

yesterday.

>> We we we actually miss so much of what's going on around us. And actually a lot of what's going on around us is the beauty of life.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and some I'm not saying you can do this every day because of course you can't. But I think we all could do

can't. But I think we all could do better by just actually seeing what there is around us. We look

but we don't see.

>> Yeah. You know,

>> especially when you're in your busy dayto day, you know.

>> Yeah. Yeah. or you're just preoccupied, you know, and and and we we we don't actually stop and see the world, but we don't actually stop and see the people.

And I think that's sometimes where we can often go very wrong in that we we meet people, we see people in the workplace, we see people at home, but we don't actually truly see them

because we don't spend enough time just actually watching or listening to them.

Hm.

It was a good point, man. I I think that's very valid. Look at that. You You

came up with something. You just needed 10 days to sit on the beach and think about it.

>> Yeah. So, if you pay for my trip tomorrow for another 10 days, I'll give you something else in two weeks.

>> Talk to the crew at Evale. They're

really generous with sponsorships. They

might help you out.

>> They're freaking not.

>> Really? what you know when you were talking about like the past and depression uh that reminded me um the 12step program that I've been in there's

they have a um a reading or a pamphlet called the triangle of selfobsession and I pulled it up because they have like a little a little chart that says like past present future and you can look at

those things negative how you hand it negatively versus how you hand it positively. So they say the past

positively. So they say the past resentment versus acceptance, the present, anger versus love. In the

future, fear versus faith. And that

doesn't necessarily mean like faith in God or, you know, if you're not if you're not a religious person, you know what I'm saying? But but like faith in like just in in life in general, you have belief. I think I think with the

have belief. I think I think with the future you can look at it with fear and trepidation or you can look at it with excitement and opportunity.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Having faith that it's going to you know things like we don't always know how things are going to work out but if you have faith in what you're doing you know you can assure that like it's going to work out for the best right?

>> Every every new day is an opportunity for new things is an opportunity for greater achievements if an opportunity for progress. Um and and we it's not

for progress. Um and and we it's not easy. Um and I don't think you know we

easy. Um and I don't think you know we all can look at tomorrow with fear and trepidation and worry. But really what we need to start doing is looking at

that. No, this is an opportunity for me

that. No, this is an opportunity for me to do more, do new, learn more, learn new, improve me, improve my environment, improve the people around me, whatever

it will be. Um but you know everything is an opportunity if you look at it correctly. Even disasters are

correctly. Even disasters are opportunities because you learn from them.

>> Yeah.

>> But you've got to be willing to learn from them. And that's a problem with a

from them. And that's a problem with a lot of a lot of people spend so much time trying to justify their mistakes, trying to

excuse their mistakes or trying to create some form of reason in their head as to why the mistake was made and it wasn't their responsibility. instead of

going, "Yeah, I [ __ ] up." Right? What

can I learn from this?

>> Well, how how does this how do I improve moving forward? How do I not make this

moving forward? How do I not make this mistake again?

>> Where did I go wrong? What what did I do that created this scenario? Not in a blame thing, not in a oh well yeah, it's all my fault. In a

>> obviously I made decisions or did things that ended me up at this position. So,

if I can work out what those things were, I can stop being in this position again. and I learn from it and therefore

again. and I learn from it and therefore that mistake becomes a very positive thing in me becoming a better person, a more rounded person and a happier person. But we don't do that. We we run

person. But we don't do that. We we run away from mistakes. We don't embrace them. We treat them as as something we

them. We treat them as as something we don't want to touch as something we don't want to look at and we try and excuse them. Why? I I tell people that

excuse them. Why? I I tell people that with their diets all the time because people make mistakes with their diets >> and there's a couple ways of handling it. You can either kind of not tell your

it. You can either kind of not tell your coach and not own it.

>> Um but then you really haven't really learned from it or you can face the music and be like, "Hey, this is what I did." We can talk about it and we can

did." We can talk about it and we can learn from it and say, "Okay, well, how do we avoid doing that again?" And

>> you'll still make mistakes, but you'll be less likely to make that one if you actually stop and and look at what happened and why it happened. And I

think that comes down to like really wanting to make progress, really wanting to change. You could apply that to

to change. You could apply that to bodybuilding. You could apply it to

bodybuilding. You could apply it to anything.

>> Yeah. I think I think people spend too much time being defensive of themselves rather than going, "Okay, so this is me.

this is what I'm capable of and and and you know this is this is what I can do in life at this point and it's not it's not a fixed thing you know it's a thing

that will constantly move and vary but I think we spend so much time defending ourselves just to ourselves let alone to the people around us that we actually

restrict our ability to grow and be better in all aspects and be happy and I think that's a key element of this is it significantly impacts our happiness when

we're in constant denial about things we do wrong. Whereas when

you start to accept yes I've done that wrong. Yes, I've made a mistake and and own them then there's a burden release there uh and you can move forward. Otherwise you end up

move forward. Otherwise you end up living in the past and deemed to make the same mistakes over and over and over again.

>> Can we make motivational posters that say stuff like this? if you want.

>> You know, would you hang one in your office? Like, do you ever see that one

office? Like, do you ever see that one that's got like a little cat hanging from a tree and it's like hang in there, >> you know? Yeah. Yeah.

>> I've got a picture of you. I've got a picture of you and it just says underneath, "Don't be Scott."

>> It's a good It's probably good advice.

You know what I mean? It's just a good way to >> start your day. All right, guys. We

appreciate you tuning in. Thank you for joining us. H happy welcome to 2026

joining us. H happy welcome to 2026 episode. I guess that's what this is,

episode. I guess that's what this is, Dave.

>> Yeah. You know, you got a lot more of this to look forward to. You know, if you like this, then definitely hit the subscribe button, hit the like button, comment with questions for the next

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>> Yeah, I think actually this will come out in time. I've got one starting on the 8th of January.

>> Okay. Yep. This will be out just in time then. So, if you're looking to get

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>> Yeah.

>> All right. Great. Reach out to Dave. Hit

him up on uh probably I've got his social media link below. So reach out to him there. You know where to find him,

him there. You know where to find him, guys. For another episode of Drugs and

guys. For another episode of Drugs and Stuff, Scott McDall with Dave Crosslin.

We'll see you soon. Thanks, Dave.

How long has it been since we did an episode without a live studio audience?

How about that?

>> Very long time.

>> Before we get started, I do want to ask you, tell me, and I'll I'll actually I'll save this section. We'll drop this in at the end of the show.

>> Okay.

>> Uh tell me about your vacation. I want

to hear all about it.

>> It was Yeah. I mean, we we we um night flight over. Uh didn't get much sleep as you obviously wouldn't. You

know, >> you don't sleep on a plane really well.

>> No, not really well. I mean, I got a little bit, but for a 10-hour flight, I might have got an hour. You know, it wasn't a lot.

an hour. You know, it wasn't a lot.

Yeah. Um, landed at the airport. Not a

big airport. Um, weather was quite wet.

>> Where did Where did you go again for anybody who didn't know?

>> Maldes. The Maldes. So, just

>> which is like how how far is that?

>> 10 hours flight.

>> Okay.

>> Wow.

>> So, it's it's just off the southern tip of India basically in the Indian Ocean.

>> I'm surprised your wife didn't pull the emergency exit and push you out halfway through that deal for 10 hours locked in a little tin box thousands of feet in the air.

uh small airport, come out the plane, get us luggage, usual [ __ ] you know. Um

weather, it was warm, but it was a bit windy and stormy. Um met the rep from the resort. Now it's quite weird. You

the resort. Now it's quite weird. You

come out of the airport and you walk maybe 100 meters, 100 yards.

Um and then you come to sort of the main airport entrance and there's all the little cafes and stuff, you know, like you'd expect. There's not a lot cuz it

you'd expect. There's not a lot cuz it say it is small.

>> Okay.

>> And then you go over the road and it's literally you just cross a road and there's all these speed boats waiting there because it's all islands. So the

only way you can get there is boat or plane.

>> Oh. So are they like little taxis, water taxis?

>> Yeah, they are. They probably the most of them probably seat about 20 people if they were full.

>> Okay. Uh but

yeah, they seat 20 people and they've got 1,000 horsepower of outboard motors stuck on the back of them. These things

[ __ ] shift.

>> Okay. I had the opposite in in um Bise because there's a lot of little KS and islands around and we stayed on one of those and they had like one of the water taxis but like people are getting on

these things just to go to work and stuff. Yeah.

stuff. Yeah.

>> And there's like a cabin underneath.

They packed so many people into that boat, Dave, and it was like a 40minute ride. And that thing was like before

ride. And that thing was like before people got in it, it was like sitting up nice and high. By the time people got in it, like I was wait, it was so weighted down. Dude, this is like a one of those

down. Dude, this is like a one of those like, you know, overseas catastrophes where 40 people perish type thing. If

things capsize, you would have been trapped inside. Now, if you if you go

trapped inside. Now, if you if you go around the corner from there, that's the sea plane port where you get your sea plane if you're going to an island that's further away.

>> Okay.

>> And these things are just constant. I

mean, those sea planes are every 10 minutes. They're just constantly in and

minutes. They're just constantly in and out, in and out, and the speed boats are the same. But I say it was quite rough.

the same. But I say it was quite rough.

Um, the guys that captain these things seem to only know one speed, which is full [ __ ] throttle.

So he's tundled out of the little port area and then he's just [ __ ] nailed it.

>> Yeah.

>> And I mean nailed it. And he's not touching those levers until we get there. [ __ ] me. We are bang bang bang.

there. [ __ ] me. We are bang bang bang.

>> My ass was killing me by the time we got there for bouncing around on that [ __ ] seat. And I mean our last was [ __ ] herself.

And even I were a bit like I'm not keen on this [ __ ] I mean I've been out in power boats and all sorts of you know proper offshore stuff. just like this this [ __ ] this thing [ __ ] going

everywhere. Um we eventually get there

everywhere. Um we eventually get there which seems like it takes it's only 15 minutes but it seemed like it took forever.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh and it it it got there and it just seemed a bit naff and I was like this is a bit we got on a jet. He walked into a main reception. Our room wasn't ready

main reception. Our room wasn't ready and >> what's naf mean? You have to translate for me. I'm not British.

for me. I'm not British.

>> Bit rubbish.

>> Oh, all right. Okay.

>> Just say that to him like this. a bit

rubbish eh?

>> Well, I just it just seemed a little bit sort of slack, you know, not not very on point.

>> Anyway, we we we'd got there, they took his luggage that disappeared. Uh,

obviously, they were going to take that down to the room. They said his room wasn't ready, but they take us around to the restaurant for something to eat. So,

we went round to the restaurant, and to be fair, the food was nice. It was a buffet style restaurant, but there were quite a lot of different sections, and the food was nice.

>> Nice.

>> Got to our room. Now, we'd actually got quite a cheap room.

So, they do water villas, they do beach villas, and then they do these like apartment blocks. And we just gone in

apartment blocks. And we just gone in one of them.

>> Okay.

>> Uh but it was ground level. So, and it was really really nice room. Really

really nice room. Quite big, well equipped, very very clean. Uh and you came out of the room, there was two sun lounges in like a little private garden

area which was part of the beach. And

then you went around, they use mangoes, mangroves to sort of, you know, section sections off.

>> You come around the side of that and you were literally on the beach.

>> Oh, cool.

>> So, it was lit, you know, 8 foot from my back door to being on the beach.

>> Oh, nice.

>> And that was really nice. I had a shower cuz obviously I [ __ ] stank >> for Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, we'd also driven the four or five hours to get to London first and everything else. So all of that. Yeah.

everything else. So all of that. Yeah.

>> So anyway, we we got sort of settled in and they have a little boogie the island. You could probably walk around

island. You could probably walk around it in 15 minutes, >> maybe 20. It's tiny,

>> but they have a little like golf cart boogie service that just constantly runs all day long.

>> So we went down for evening meal. That

was nice. And then when we actually started to see a little bit of the island and it working properly, it was really really nice to be fair. Um very

clean. Staff were amazing. the and the problem with a lot of these buffet places is you get to like three, four days in and you're repeating day one.

>> Yeah.

>> Never really had that. It was different stuff all the time. Obviously it was a little bit extra as well with it being Christmas. Um we got chatting to the

Christmas. Um we got chatting to the general manager and sort of saw him and sat with him for a brew and a chat pretty much most days. Um and it was just really nice. So, we were up the top

end.

Um, and several days we sat on our beach and it was just us, no one else.

>> Oh, that's cool, man. I saw pictures of of fishes and stuff. Did you go snorkeling?

>> No, but there was four baby reef sharks that would swim the shoreline every day back and forth. Just constantly back and forth.

>> Okay.

>> Um, we had three herands came and visited every morning for food. Um,

there was a [ __ ] big fruit bat, but it was only one, which I found a bit weird.

>> Fruit bats are massive, aren't they?

>> Yeah, it's just this one, though. There

was this one fruit bat. For some weird reason, >> they had those massive bats, the fruit bats in Australia >> and I remember like walking through a park in at sunset and all of a sudden

this like freaking like velociraptor just like >> what is that?

>> About two foot across. They're a decent size. Yeah.

size. Yeah.

>> Um we saw so we saw the sharks feeding cuz the shors would come in the fish sh would come in and stay near the shoreline if the weather was rough and then the sharks would just have at him just constantly have at them.

>> Then the day we were leaving there was a ray feeding um a big manta ray feeding.

Well say big about three four foot across.

>> He was feeding in a shaw.

>> These are so cool. I've never seen one of them.

>> I'll send you a video. Um,

>> I'd like to see it.

>> But yeah, I mean it was just it was nice. It was just really really nice.

nice. It was just really really nice.

And I think it was just cuz the weather was crap and I was tired. Um, it just seemed a little bit slack and disorganized when we got there. But once

once we got into the swing of things, it it No, it rang like clockwork. They

cleaned our literally this guy turned up every morning with a rake and raked our beach clean.

>> Oh, no kidding.

>> Every inch of it. Uh,

>> that's cool. So, you just like sat back and relaxed this whole time.

>> I mean, there's nothing else to really do. I guess it's not like you got

do. I guess it's not like you got >> water sports and there was a lot of water sports. Um, and

water sports. Um, and >> how was their Wi-Fi?

>> Very good. Yeah, very good.

>> Oh, okay.

>> Yeah.

>> I wasn't sure how like, you know what I'm saying? Island Wi-Fi. Oh, that that

I'm saying? Island Wi-Fi. Oh, that that could be hit or miss.

>> So, it's a man-made island. It's been

there three and a half years. Um,

>> so what you're telling me is you could have done the podcast.

>> No. Um, you you could have.

>> No, >> could have.

>> No, I couldn't.

>> I promised my wife I wouldn't work or I would work the bare minimum possible.

And that's >> Did you And did you actually follow that? Cuz that's what I was hoping for

that? Cuz that's what I was hoping for you, man, is that you actually unplugged >> very long time. I just sat doing nothing. Get me wrong, by about day

nothing. Get me wrong, by about day eight, nine, I was getting a bit [ __ ] bored. Uh, but the first week I just

bored. Uh, but the first week I just literally sat and chilled. Uh they've

have the largest underwater restaurant there in the Maldes. So we went to >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you were telling me that that's like extra, right? We talked

about this off the air, >> but you were going to try to Did you end up going to it?

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's 7 m down.

>> Okay.

>> So you sit by a window and obviously >> seven seven m. So that's that's seven times straight.

>> 25 foot. About 25T.

>> And then you you you have a window. All

the tables are next to a window. And you

just see the reef life swimming by. And

there was um about three and a half, four foot blacktip reef shark kept circling while we were there.

>> That's where I saw the pictures from then cuz you had pictures of like the underwater pictures of fish and stuff.

>> Yeah. Um

so that was pretty cool. And then there was another restaurant that you paid for called the Copper Pot which was really nice as well. Um very very nice actually. Was that And yeah, it was just

actually. Was that And yeah, it was just just super chilled. Um, I got no complaints. Um, to be honest, it's

complaints. Um, to be honest, it's I wouldn't say it's the best holiday I've had cuz like Japan was just phenomenal.

>> That's a different thing. That's a

different kind of experience, too. You

probably didn't get to relax quite as much in as you did here, you know.

>> Um, but from a from a beach holiday, you a sit do nothing sort of beach holiday, it's the best one I've ever had.

>> Nice. Uh, and yeah, I mean, it was just good from start to finish. Um,

enjoyed it.

>> Nice. All right. Well, what do you say we get this thing started?

>> Yeah. I'm still a bit jetlagged for some reason.

>> Are you? Oh, I bet you are, dude. I was

surprised. I didn't think we were going to do the show today. Like I said before, I was like, if you want to do it, man, we do it. But, you know, >> still waking up at like 4 and a half, 4 in the morning.

>> Oh, that's the worst, man.

>> Yeah. When we went to Australia, that was the worst for me ever. And we were both like waking up at 2 3:00 a.m. at

first, you know, cuz it's literally I think it was a 14 hour difference. What

was the time difference there from you?

>> Five.

>> Okay. So, not not incredible, but it would have been I mean, still that's a pretty big deal.

>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean I used to get I get up in the morning like the free check-in days I use I I' I could message everybody before anyone would answer and then just sort of pick the messages up as the day went on. You know what I mean?

>> Yeah.

>> Um so yeah, >> we've got some good stuff for today. We

don't have listening audience today. Uh

we'll get that sorted for next time.