“There Is Infinite Opportunity In The Modern World” - Naval Ravikant
By Chris Williamson
Summary
Topics Covered
- Play Feels Like Work Beats Competition
- Productize Yourself for Effortless Success
- Avoid Premature Commitment in Infinite Choices
- Say No by Default to Protect Flow
- Choose Problems Objectively Ignore Rest
Full Transcript
This is related to another insight of yours. The less you want something, the
yours. The less you want something, the less you're thinking about it, the less you're obsessing over it, the more you're going to do it in a natural way.
The more you're going to do it for yourself, you're going to do it in a way that you're good at and you're going to stick with it. The people around you will see the quality of your work is higher. But this seems like a difficult
higher. But this seems like a difficult tension to navigate because an obsessive attention to detail is a competitive advantage of your work as well. So, you
have these two things sort of conflicting with each other. No one is going to beat you at being you if it it's so one of the things I like to say
is like find what feels like play to you but looks like work to others. So it
looks like work to them but to you it feels like play. It's not work. So
you're going to out compete them because you're doing it effortlessly. You're
doing it for fun. They're doing it for work. They're doing it for some
work. They're doing it for some byproduct. To you it's art. It's beauty.
byproduct. To you it's art. It's beauty.
It's joy. It's it's flow. It's
fulfilling. Uh you must enjoy podcasting. If you didn't, you wouldn't
podcasting. If you didn't, you wouldn't be good at it. 900 episodes either right? If you would, you would if if you
right? If you would, you would if if you decided that the right way to get ahead in life was to go write books. You
would, nobody would have heard of you.
Chris Williamson's book would be a complete flop. That's not who you are.
complete flop. That's not who you are.
You're a podcaster. You enjoy talking to people. You enjoy interviewing them. The
people. You enjoy interviewing them. The
more you do things that are natural to you, the less competition you have. You
escape competition through authenticity by being your own self. If I had to summarize how to be successful in life in two words, I would just say
productize yourself. That's it. Just
productize yourself. That's it. Just
figure out what it is that you naturally do that the world might want that you can scale up and turn into a product and it'll be it'll eventually be effortless for you. Yes, there's always work
for you. Yes, there's always work required, but it won't even feel like work to you. It'll feel like play to you. And modern society gives us that
you. And modern society gives us that opportunity. You know, if you were 2,000
opportunity. You know, if you were 2,000 years ago, you're born on a farm. Your
choices are very limited, right? You're
going to do stuff on that farm. Now, you
can literally wake up and you can move to a different city. You can switch careers. You can switch jobs. You can
careers. You can switch jobs. You can
change the people that you're with. Uh
you know, you can change so many things about who you are and who you're with and what you're doing that there is infinite opportunity out there for you.
Literally infinite. And so it's much better to treat this like a search function to find the people who need you the most, to find the work that needs you the most, to find the place you're best suited to be at. And it's
worthwhile to spend time in that exploration before diving into exploitation. The biggest mistake in a
exploitation. The biggest mistake in a world with so many choices is premature commitment. If you prematurely commit to
commitment. If you prematurely commit to being a lawyer or a doctor and now you've got like, you know, 5 years invested into that, you might have just completely missed. You might just end up
completely missed. You might just end up in the wrong profession, the wrong place, or the wrong people for 30 years of your life grinding away. And yes, the best time to figure that out was before but the second best time is now. So
just change it. And also, presumably kill things that aren't working very quickly.
By default, you should kill everything.
You know, if you can't decide, the answer is no. Uh, and most things you should just be saying no to. The part of my keeping my calendar free is just by default saying no to everything. Do I
want to create a calendar just to add your event, right? Or to add your need or your desire. One of the other things about, you know, early on in life you're looking for opportunities. So
you're saying yes to everything. And
that is a phase that you go through.
That is the exploration phase. Later
when you found the thing you want to work on, you're in the exploitation phase. You have to say no to everything
phase. You have to say no to everything by default. And if you don't say no to
by default. And if you don't say no to everything by default, if you have to even explicitly go out of your way to say no to something, that will take up time. Uh, for example, you know, there
time. Uh, for example, you know, there there are a lot of people out there who are into hustle culture and and a big piece of hustle culture is like, well you're not going to get something if you don't ask for it. So, they'll hustle people. They'll always be sending you
people. They'll always be sending you requests, messages. Yeah, this is a
requests, messages. Yeah, this is a famous person problem, but I have it.
And people are always asking me for things. And I kind of squirm when I get
things. And I kind of squirm when I get these messages, and I'm sure you get these two text messages, emails saying "Hey, Chris, my friend so and so should really be on your podcast, or you should come to my event. You should write a forward for my book." And you kind of
squirm when you get this, right? I have
to figure out how to say no. And one of the things I learned along the way is that if you wouldn't ask somebody else to do it and then you get that request yourself, you can just dismiss it. You
don't have to respond. You don't you don't even let let it enter your brain.
You have to be able to delete emails and text messages without flinching if you want to scale. And scaling is very important. Scaling your time is really
important. Scaling your time is really important. Every interruption will take
important. Every interruption will take you out of flow. So the only way you can remain in flow is if you get either very good at ignoring these things by default or closing yourself off like a hermit
like our mutual friend Tim Ferris does or you just become emotionally capable of not registering these as something that causes turbulence inside of you.
That not registering it emotionally thing is that uh it's fundamental.
That's so fundamental to so many things in life. Okay. Can we dig into that a
in life. Okay. Can we dig into that a little bit? is because again I've only
little bit? is because again I've only seen you as you right I didn't know you 20 years ago I didn't know you as a child um so I've only seen you with this holistic selfishness the in
integrated self- prioritization whatever we I don't know what we called it selfish is fine I'll take selfish I'm selfish I'm very selfish person don't contact me
uh yeah that emotional reaction I also get the sense too that maybe people have lived obligation life for so long that they actually kind of struggle to tap
into what it is that they want. They've
hidden their wants and their desires and their needs and they've dep prioritized themselves so much for so long they go "What do I want actually? What what is it? Do I want to go to this thing or
it? Do I want to go to this thing or not?" Because all I've done is be
not?" Because all I've done is be puppeted, right? I've been
puppeted, right? I've been marionetted by other people's desires for so so so long. I can't even tap into that anymore. And saying no feels like a
that anymore. And saying no feels like a war crime. So, so I think it's really
war crime. So, so I think it's really good to be able to view your own mind and your own thoughts objectively and that is the big benefit of meditation.
It creates a small gap between your conscious observation self and your mind and that lets you then look at your thoughts and evaluate them a little bit
like you would a third party's statements. And uh if you just take your
statements. And uh if you just take your mind to be you and they're integrated in one and the same at all times and you're reacting from the mind, then you're not even going to question things that come into your mind. Anything that comes in that creates a reaction will immediately
create a reaction. But if you can observe your thoughts a little bit and not in some woo way, but you can even just do it through therapy, you can do it through journaling, you can do it any way you like, you can just take long walks, you don't have to meditate and do
lotus position. uh all that is
lotus position. uh all that is unnecessary. But if you can observe your
unnecessary. But if you can observe your own thoughts and view them a little objectively, then you can start being uh a little more choosy, a little more critical and you can realize that there
are no problems in the real world other than maybe things that inflict pain on your body. Everything else has to become
your body. Everything else has to become a problem in your mind first. You have
to view it and interpret it and create a narrative that it is a problem before it becomes a problem. And then you realize that a lot of your emotional energy is
spent on reacting to things that your mind is automatically saying are problems. Uh and you don't need all those problems. Do you really need that many problems in your life? Again, I
would say try to focus on just one overarching problem and then go solve that problem. It's like if you want to
that problem. It's like if you want to be successful, define success very concretely. Focus on that. In everything
concretely. Focus on that. In everything
else, when it enters your mind, it becomes a problem. Whether it's a judgment about the girl walking down the street or the car that just cut in front of you or whether it's like you know this your accountant did this stupid
thing like yes it's going to trigger you but observe for a moment that like it's triggering me. I've created a problem.
triggering me. I've created a problem.
Do I really want to have this problem right now? Do I want to spend the energy
right now? Do I want to spend the energy on this problem or do I want that going somewhere else? And it it doesn't have
somewhere else? And it it doesn't have to be that overt. You don't have to the mind mud wrestling with itself is also a problem but because it loves to do that.
I have my problems have got problems and I have a real problem about fixing my problems. Yeah. Exactly. So you just
problems. Yeah. Exactly. So you just you're going to be much happier and much more focused. Again, I think happiness
more focused. Again, I think happiness and focus and success can kind of complement each other. You're going to have much more energy. Just think about as mental energy. You have much more
mental energy to focus on the actual problems you want to solve if you don't start unconsciously, subconsciously reactively picking up problems everywhere. So before anything can be a
everywhere. So before anything can be a problem that takes up your emotional energy, you have to accept it as a problem. You can be choosy about your
problem. You can be choosy about your problems. And I'm not saying I'm perfect in that regard, but I think I'm better than I used to be. Well, lots of people are addicted to solving problems. So much so that sometimes people create
problems when we don't have any simply so that we can solve them. We have that going on. And then even worse is we take
going on. And then even worse is we take on problems that we can't affect. So
uh, you know, another one of my little quips was, uh, you know, um, a rational person, uh, can, uh, sort of a rational person should should cultivate
indifference to things that are out of their control, right? Uh, or a rational person can find peace by cultivating indifference to things that are out of their control. Uh, and I'm as guilty as
their control. Uh, and I'm as guilty as anybody of doom surfing on X or social media and getting worked up about things that I can't do anything about, right?
like do I want to be fighting those battles in my mind when I literally cannot do anything about it. So if you find yourself looping on a problem like you're watching the news too much and you're getting caught up in a problem
you can't do anything about um you have to step away from that and uh modern media is a delivery mechanism for
mimetic viruses and now what's happened now is you know 100 years ago 500 years ago if something wasn't happening in your immediate vicinity you wouldn't hear about it wouldn't be a problem for
you but now every single one of the world's problems has turned into a mimemetic virus which is going into the battlefield of the news and is trying to infect your mind in real time so that
yeah so that you become obsessed with the war in Ukraine which is really far away or you get obsessed with climate change or you get obsessed with AI doom or you get obsessed with whatever and there's nothing as riveting as the old
religion the world is ending the world is ending pay attention the world is ending and if you don't Cassandra complex at global scale cassandra complex at global scale and I would argue that large percentages of the population are essentially just infected
with these mimetic viruses that have taken over their brain and are causing them to do incredible gyration about things that probably aren't even true or are greatly exaggerated. But even to the extent they are true, they're things
that that person can do nothing about.
And they should put their own house in order first. So, you know, another
order first. So, you know, another little line I have for myself is your family is broken, but you're going to fix the world, right? People are running out there to try and fix the world when their own lives are a mess. Oh my god.
Right? And and I think it defies credibility if you can't fix your own life first. I'm not going to take you
life first. I'm not going to take you seriously if you can't fix your own life. Like all these philosophers who
life. Like all these philosophers who you know, seem like people you emulate and so smart or like these brilliant celebrities and they go off and commit suicide. Well, you just kind of
suicide. Well, you just kind of invalidated your whole way of life. It's
like that line of in No Country for All Men where the killer is waiting for the protagonist and protagonist shows up and the killer says, "Well, you know, if your set of rules brought you here, then
what good are your rules?" I didn't work. Um I I I I am self I'm
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