This Alone Defeats Christianity | Original Sin

How sinners are made is the title of today's YouTube short that we're going to be reacting to and I'm so excited to get to this one. There's so much meat to sink our teeth into and if you're a Christian watching, you might not even

agree with every point here, but that's only because it's just one more in a long line of competing Christian excuses trying to explain the concept of

original sin and why it's not totally evil and backwards. It comes from a massive channel that gets hundreds of thousands of views, sometimes millions and the comments on this particular video, oh, it was light bulbs left and

right. People couldn't believe how

right. People couldn't believe how simple this was, how it finally answered this for them, how now they understand, which is so strange because what this clip is trying to do is make the concept

of original sin intuitive, like an inherited disease. But the more he

inherited disease. But the more he explains this, the worse the theology gets, the worse the logic and reasoning gets and again, if you are a Christian who disagrees with it, I want you to think about what that leaves you with

because to me, this entire concept is one of the biggest issues for Christianity and it is one that I have never, never, ever heard an actual good argument for. So, I'm going to show you

argument for. So, I'm going to show you this video, it's about a minute and a half long, then we're going to take it in chunks. And really quick, truly,

in chunks. And really quick, truly, please stick with me on this. If you can make it through this one and a half minutes, you're going to get the setup needed for me to address everything that I think is wrong with

the concept of original sin, which is one of the most important doctrines when it concerns why we need Jesus as our savior.

HIV infected man, HIV infected woman get together and have a baby born HIV infected. What did the baby do wrong?

infected. What did the baby do wrong?

Nothing. That's every human being since Adam and [music] Eve. We are not sinners because we sin. We sin [music] because we're born sinners. We sin because we're born animated with a corrupt spirit. Why

are we born this way? Because God only breathed one breath of life into humanity, into Adam. Eve was taken from living rib from [music] his side and made a new individual and when you

procreate your gametes are not dead, they're alive and you're passing your life along. Once they corrupted

life along. Once they corrupted themselves, the only life they had to pass along was the one they had which is fear and self-centered. That's what it says in Romans 5, sin and death entered through one man and is passed all

[music] men. The only way to save us

[music] men. The only way to save us literally is to give us a new breath of life that is sinless and perfect. How

does he do that? When we're all conceived in [music] sin, born iniquity.

Sinful mother, sinful father, both sides were getting a spirit of sinfulness, of fear. In 2 Timothy 1:7, God did not give

fear. In 2 Timothy 1:7, God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and sound mind. How does he get that spirit into the species he created in Eden? The incarnation. Says in Romans

in Eden? The incarnation. Says in Romans chapter 1 that Jesus was descended through David, through Mary. He partook

of the breath of life that was corrupted through David. Yet, the Holy Spirit,

through David. Yet, the Holy Spirit, very clear, is what [music] was conceived in her. So, a new animating energy, sinless and perfect.

Uh, it couldn't have come from his father.

It came from the Holy Spirit.

Because if it came from Joseph, the earthly father have been just as corrupt as ours.

Hey, he used the words gametes. He must

be of a scientific mind. This must be a scientific explanation for the invisible vague concept of sin coursing through our veins that requires us to die and go

to hell unless someone else who was perfect by way of magical powers intervenes for us where his blood literally washes away the iniquity

running inside of us so that we can enter eternal paradise forever with him.

No, that is not how this works. This

explanation is absolutely ridiculous and let's get into it. It falls apart in fact, the entire concept of original sin falls apart in this very first sentence.

What did the baby do wrong?

Nothing.

Nothing is right. The baby is innocent.

It had absolutely no will, no choice into the fact that it came into the world with this condition caused and allowed by other people. Asked and

answered. What did the baby do wrong?

Nothing. What did we do wrong?

Humankind, man, everyone after Adam and Eve? Nothing. At the end of the day, we

Eve? Nothing. At the end of the day, we could stop the video right there. It is

that simple. So, if you are of the Christian mindset, biblically so, that we are all damned from birth unless given this free gift of grace by

Christ's sacrifice for us, then you are going directly against this very simple understanding. A baby born with an

understanding. A baby born with an illness is tragic. It is unfair to the baby. It is morally innocent. We would

baby. It is morally innocent. We would

never blame the baby. Pick whatever you want. He chose HIV. Say a baby is born

want. He chose HIV. Say a baby is born with a crack addiction. Do we lock the baby up? No, because we, unlike all

baby up? No, because we, unlike all Christianity, can recognize that it was the decisions of the two parents, not the child, that led to the child having

this unfortunate condition. We would

never say the baby deserves punishment.

But, that's exactly what your Bible says. We would never say that the baby

says. We would never say that the baby is guilty, but that is exactly what your Bible says. So, if original sin is like

Bible says. So, if original sin is like an inherited disease, which it is an apt analogy, biblically speaking, then humans are victims of conditions that

they did not choose. So much for free will. Punishing infected people for

will. Punishing infected people for being infected against their will is not justice. But, I feel like he said that

justice. But, I feel like he said that at the beginning to set the stage for, "Okay, yeah, we understand there's some tension here, but here's how it plays itself out and why God isn't responsible

for doing this awful thing to us."

Because, after all, once again, like always, all-powerful, omnipotent God's hands were tied. He literally could only do it this way, as he goes on to explain. But, let's move on to this next

explain. But, let's move on to this next part.

We are not sinners because we sin. We

sin because we're [music] born sinners.

We sin because we're born animated with a corrupt spirit.

You can tell he really thought he was cooking with this one. This distinction

without a difference.

We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners, because we're born sinners.

See the issue above.

So, it's meant to explain why everybody sins, but it creates a much bigger problem. If I sin because I was born

problem. If I sin because I was born with a sinful nature, as a sinner, because of a corrupted nature that I did not choose, that I inherited like

disease, then I am actually acting in accordance with my nature. But, it was a nature that I did not choose. Again, the

biggest tension in this entire thing that I want you to continue to be aware of is the idea, the concept of original sin, which I just have to say very quickly, if you are Christian who struggles with this,

as in you don't believe it or you have found some way around it, then please explain why Jesus had to die. You're

going against all of church history and tradition, what the church fathers thought and understood, what the Bible says, and the entire reason that God had to send himself as his son to earth to

sacrifice himself for us. This is what happens when I go off on tangents. I

don't remember what the initial point I started making was. But, it was with a nature that I didn't choose, that I am acting in accordance with, which could only be responsible to one person, not

even Adam and Eve, to the creator. Many

people who talk about original sin and try to diagnose it and figure out who's at fault and who's to blame and why it's fair and why God is still perfect here, they always forget this most important

point, that the rules, the laws of things being passed down through the gametes or through through blood or whatever different iterations of ideas that people have about this, is within

an enclosed system that almighty, all-knowing God created. He chose how the system would work in the first place. And also, and this is going to

place. And also, and this is going to become more relevant in the later part of what he says, but I want to get to it early here. He stopped short, like so

early here. He stopped short, like so many Christians do. They just go to Adam and Eve, and then they go no higher. But

stay with me on this for a second.

Again, so incredibly simple. If we are to understand that Adam and Eve did something, that that has to flow down to us because of this next point we're going to get to, one breath only, wherever that came from, infused into

man, and it's carried on. So, we're

stuck with this sin nature. And that's

supposed to somehow make sin more morally meaningful, when it actually does the exact opposite. Why not go one step further above Adam and Eve? If the

one breath, God, a perfect being, breathed into Adam and Eve, was a breath that could be corrupted and sin in the first place to give us that corrupted

sin nature as the breath continues downward, what does that say about God's breath? Right, why doesn't this work in

breath? Right, why doesn't this work in reverse? If God is perfect and breathed

reverse? If God is perfect and breathed a perfect breath into a perfect creation in a perfect place, how could Adam and

Eve ever sin? How is that even in the realm of possibility? And if you want to talk about free will or serpent that or tricked them or whatever, you're giving outs to the very thing that this person

is saying there can be no outs from.

It's one breath all the way down the chain, it's a corrupted breath, we're stuck with it. So, the only thing that could be done was something by God extreme, like the death and resurrection

of Jesus Christ. So, we are not powerful enough as mortals to get out of our sin nature once it's been breathed into us.

But we're supposed to believe that Adam and Eve, before they even had the knowledge of the difference between right and wrong, were able to step outside their perfect nature from their perfect breath from their perfect God to

sin almost as soon as they could, even though they didn't understand what they were doing by definition having not eaten the fruit that gives you the understanding. This is what I mean when

understanding. This is what I mean when I said this video gives us so much meat to chew on because it shows so quickly all of the errors. And it's why I'm going to just not be able to contain my

laughter when Christians start coming in with the comments, "Well, I his theology is wrong. He has a weird idea of this.

is wrong. He has a weird idea of this.

It's actually like this." Contend with what I am saying. I dare anybody to lay out a morally consistent case of how a

perfect God can create anything that cannot be perfect without that rolling back up to him as some kind of a condition of non-perfection. The story

is broken. It simply isn't logically consistent. Christianity somehow wants

consistent. Christianity somehow wants sin to be both inevitable and blameworthy, but these two ideas pull against each other until the whole

concept is utterly broken. How can sin be my rebellion against my creator if it was my creator who allowed and or

created my nature that is of sin, like an inherited disease that is not my fault, that I had no choosing in? Even

if I could come back to Christianity, even if I could convince myself that everything else made sense and had a logical answer, this and this point alone would always be a final hang-up.

It is the definition of injustice, end of story. And if you don't think it is,

of story. And if you don't think it is, it's because I don't think you actually think your God is perfect or all-powerful or all-knowing or all-loving. The concept of original sin

all-loving. The concept of original sin cannot coincide with these claims. Why were we born this way? Because God

only breathed one breath of life into humanity [music] into Adam. Eve was taken from living rib

into Adam. Eve was taken from living rib from his side and made a new individual.

And when you procreate, your gametes are not dead, [music] they're alive and you're passing your life along.

It really does get quite dumb and quite messy pretty quickly here. Like if Eve was taken from Adam, does she get Adam's breath? Like does that even follow? Why

breath? Like does that even follow? Why

would she not get infused with her own breath? And again, this is only if we

breath? And again, this is only if we look at one part of the creation story.

And if the breath is biological, why is it tied to spirit? And if the spirit is spiritual, why are we talking about gametes? But again, it's fair to bring

gametes? But again, it's fair to bring this up even though not all Christians agree with this, which I'm constantly reminded by all Christians who disagree with each other despite claiming the Holy Spirit is speaking all of them. But

here's something that seems to be pretty consistent amongst all Christians. Using

what works for you when it works for you at any cost despite its inconsistency.

In this case, it's using biology when it suits him and then using theology when the biology stops helping. This is the relationship with Christians and science

in general. When science backs up

in general. When science backs up something that they already believed, then they utilize the science and they share it like it's the pinnacle of why we should believe them. But when they

believe something that is against whatever science we have, whether it's the dating of something, the historicity of something, the archaeology of something, then all of a sudden it's

spiritual only and it's a metaphor, it's an allegory, it's a higher way, it's a trick by the devil, it's God testing our faith. It is heads I win, tails you lose

faith. It is heads I win, tails you lose constantly. And so even if Christians

constantly. And so even if Christians disagree with how this particular Christian is doing this thing, they do the same tactic all the time. So if you

are not going to be 100% consistent when it comes to believing the science, then you don't get to pick and choose the very few occasions where it kind of

helps you out some of the time. Gametes

being alive doesn't prove guilt and sin.

That is how far down the rabbit hole Christians have to go, often do go, to try to make sense of the nonsense from thousands of years ago.

Once they corrupted themselves, the only life they had to pass along was the one they had, which is fear and self-centered. That's why it says in

self-centered. That's why it says in Romans 5, sin and death entered through one man and has passed to all men.

He's stating Romans 5 here as if it's an argument, as if it's an explanation, but it's not. It's just restating the

it's not. It's just restating the doctrine. This is where many Christians

doctrine. This is where many Christians pull the concept of original sin. It's

like he's going back and forth between trying to prove where it's coming from and why it's insightful and how it's useful without just stopping and saying, "Wait, that's not what's really at hand

here." What's really at hand here is if

here." What's really at hand here is if it's just. I want to point this out

it's just. I want to point this out because Christians can get so in their own head of like, "Okay, the Bible's perfect. The Bible's truth. The Bible's

perfect. The Bible's truth. The Bible's

useful." Whatever they believe about the Bible, and everything gets filtered through that. And so, it literally stops

through that. And so, it literally stops their critical thinking, and they don't get to those actual finer points like, "Well, does it make sense and is it just?" They just say, "Hey, Romans 5

just?" They just say, "Hey, Romans 5 says it." And I guarantee you if I

says it." And I guarantee you if I hadn't covered this section, if I hadn't played this part of the video, I'd have 20 Christian comments saying, "You're wrong because in Romans 5 Paul says

this." That's not what we're talking

this." That's not what we're talking about. I know your Bible says this. I

about. I know your Bible says this. I

know it promotes the concept of original sin. I'm not debating that. I'm talking

sin. I'm not debating that. I'm talking

about if you've ever stopped to think outside of what was force-fed into your brain when you were told that this God is perfect and this book represents this God, and so if the book says this, then this is what it is, and we need to look

no further, and if we do feel uncomfortable with it, that's just our sin, that's our rebellion, that's the devil, that's whatever. No, question.

Test. Discern. Do anything you're always preaching about. Why should one person's

preaching about. Why should one person's failure corrupt everybody? With very few exceptions, I think if we could have a human in a vacuum and ask them this

question, is that fair? Does that make sense? If you could create a system,

sense? If you could create a system, would you create it like that? Most, I

want to say darn near all, would recognize the issue there. So, why when it comes to your perfect God, do you excuse him from the same kind of thing

that you would know better as as a moral failure of a human? I understand to a point because I used to. I understand

that it was my indoctrination. I

understand that it was my God glasses. I

understand that it was me wanting to hold on to my belief. I understand that it was me having these thought-terminating cliches that didn't allow me to go further, that I was insulated and sheltered and protected

from the idea that God could ever be wrong or that anyone other than the enemy could ever be unjust or unfair.

So, really this is coming from nowhere but pure empathy. I've been where you've been. I understand why you think the way

been. I understand why you think the way that you think. But having escaped it, not because I'm smarter, not because I'm better, but truly out of pure luck of having the kind of mind that works the way that it does and being exposed to

enough arguments and enough statements and going through the Bible enough times, etc., I've been able to see better. And once you can see better, you

better. And once you can see better, you can't unsee it. This system is not only broken, it is wrong. It is harmful. It

is unjust and it is unloving. And to

ascribe it to a all-powerful, all-benevolent God makes zero sense.

The only way to save us, literally, is to give us a new breath of life that is sinless and perfect. How does he get that spirit into the [music] species he created in Eden? The incarnation says in

Romans chapter 1 that Jesus was descended through David, through Mary.

He partook of the breath of life that was corrupted through David. Yet, the

Holy Spirit, very clear, is what was conceived in her. So, a new animating energy, sinless and perfect.

Uh, it couldn't have come from his father.

It came from the Holy Spirit.

Because if it came from Joseph, the earthly father, it would have been just as corrupt as ours.

I'm actually really glad that he brought this part up because it allows us to address a part of original sin that we don't always talk about when we talk about the initial unfairness and

injustice of it, which is the special pleading when it comes to Jesus, who then gets to become our savior.

He starts laying out the logic that, you know, Jesus is coming through David and then through Mary, but it had to be a virgin birth because we had to allow the Holy Spirit to enter into Jesus to

infuse this new perfect breath that would allow him magical properties that were not afforded to anybody else so that he could remain blameless, so that his sacrifice could matter because his

blood would be clean enough to wash away our sins. And I'm painting with a broad

our sins. And I'm painting with a broad brush there, but that is generally the accepted Christian idea around this doctrine. If Jesus wasn't perfect, his

doctrine. If Jesus wasn't perfect, his sacrifice wouldn't matter, but Jesus was born to a human, Mary, and as we just learned, Mary would be one of the

infected. So, how does that not transfer

infected. So, how does that not transfer to Jesus? Uh, because of the special

to Jesus? Uh, because of the special pleading and amazing miraculous loophole of removing Joseph from the equation and

inserting God. So, it does seem that

inserting God. So, it does seem that within a sinful natured world, God can create and allow for a sinless creature

to be brought forth, which raises the biggest question of them all.

Why not for anyone else? If you're going to blame everyone else for something that's not their fault, and you realize that you can't even create your own son organically in the system that you built

without him being affected, even though he's 100% God and 100% human, which the hypostatic union is going to be another huge problem for original sin and how we

get ourselves out of it, but we've covered that before. We'll leave it alone for today. But you're God and you can't figure out how to do this without cheating. He cheated. The rules were

cheating. He cheated. The rules were set. No one else ever got to play

set. No one else ever got to play outside the rules and to the ultimate penalty of death and hell. So when it's God's turn to be one of us, what does he

do? Cheats. Tell me how I'm wrong about

do? Cheats. Tell me how I'm wrong about this. If the only way he could make

this. If the only way he could make himself on Earth in a perfect state having gone through kind of a similar system, pregnancy, and then you're going to get into if Mary was perfect or not

and you have some Catholic vs. Protestant ideas. I don't even care

Protestant ideas. I don't even care about that right now because again, the bigger loophole was removing where the seed comes from, the man, and filling that with God. And yet we're supposed supposed to be blown away. I've said

this before, but I'm going to say it again. The idea that I am supposed to

again. The idea that I am supposed to bow down and worship Jesus because he's the only person that's ever been perfect

because supposedly he was tempted in all the ways a man can be tempted and resisted sin, but we know the only reason he could do that is because God

gave him a power up that he didn't give anybody else. I'm not impressed. Let me

anybody else. I'm not impressed. Let me

just think of a s- stupid analogy. If

you're playing Monopoly and everybody starts with $1 in a broken system and we're told it's totally fair because the first person who ever played Monopoly started with a dollar, so that's all

you're ever going to get and you need to win the game, otherwise you're going to die and go to hell and we all see what a broken system that is, but then Parker Brothers or whoever created Monopoly,

this analogy is getting off the rails very quickly, but you're going understand it. They say, "You know what?

understand it. They say, "You know what?

We're going to introduce a new player one time, and if this player can win, he's going to forgive the bankruptcies of all the other players, and we'll all win." Well, anyone who believes in the

win." Well, anyone who believes in the cheating player as somehow a perfect representative and advocate for them back to Parker Brothers,

whatever. If in that scenario, they give

whatever. If in that scenario, they give the one new perfect player $10 billion to start the game, and then they're like, "Look, finally, someone won the game." We'd be like, "Yeah, but not

game." We'd be like, "Yeah, but not under the original rules. You started

with more than a dollar." We would all see so clearly how stupid this is. And

even my really dumb analogy just now should show how ignorant this whole thing is. If you have to change the

thing is. If you have to change the whole game to allow yourself to succeed so that you can get yourself out of the jam that you created, that's not proving

to me your love or your goodness or your justice or anything like that. What it

is showing me is it's probably more than anything else a man-made story that has a bunch of inconsistencies because it wasn't really thought through, and it evolved over a very long period of time.

And it has the same plot issues that all other stories have or all other developed religions have had as well.

What it doesn't have is the sign of divinity or perfection or love. So, you

take your version of original sin. We'll

close out here. Whatever you want it to be, but I see it falling to only a few choices. And again, you'll have to

choices. And again, you'll have to biblically tell me how I'm wrong about this. Either humans are guilty for

this. Either humans are guilty for something that they did not choose, or humans are infected with something that they did not choose. Those are kind of the two angles that were laid out or

argued against. We're either sinners

argued against. We're either sinners because we have sinned, or we sin because we are sinners. But either way, eternal punishment becomes morally

inconsistent at the very least, if not straight-up diabolically evil. But this is what happens when you

evil. But this is what happens when you take a look. This is what happens when you spend 20 minutes having a slight discussion on the inconsistencies of the concept of original sin. And we could

have gone so much deeper, but I really want this to resonate with people, which unfortunately means letting it be a little bit shorter. But the more that you try to explain this concept, the more that you look at it and investigate it and compare it and try to apply

reason rationality consistency logic or love to it, the less and less and less it sounds like justice. But

Christianity is in a tough spot because it needs us broken enough to need a savior, guilty enough to deserve death

and punishment, but not so determined by our own nature that God becomes what he should be in this scenario, clearly responsible for the whole thing. No, we

need the biblical illusion of free choice, that we did this to ourselves.

But free will and original sin are mutually exclusive in this way. Like I

said, this is a top 10 hang-up for me out of thousands of hang-ups with Christianity. So, if you can actually

Christianity. So, if you can actually show me where I'm wrong and remove this for me as an issue with Christianity, do so. Put it in the comments. Write me an

so. Put it in the comments. Write me an email. If it is actually convincing, I

email. If it is actually convincing, I will make a reaction video to this video about how I am wrong. So, start praying.

Don't start typing. Get that Holy Spirit speaking through you and convince me.

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