Three Dollars, Two Freaks, and a Dream with Kristin Chirico

I'm so ready.

>> Rivalry, are you heated? Are you Are you on edge to talk about Heated Rivalry?

Are you edging to Heated Rivalry?

>> Okay. Wait. Have you watched Heated Rivalry?

>> Mm- >> Oh my god.

>> Nikki, Nikki, you got to watch this gay show. It's so

hot. Oh my god, it's so hot.

>> Oh my god. What is it?

>> It's about these two hockey players.

It's based on a young adult romance novel.

>> It's based on a romance novel.

>> It's not a romance novel. It's about

these two hockey players and they are rivals and they start a 10-yearong situationship >> and they're both like stars of the hockey team.

>> Yes.

>> Of each other's like different hockey teams. >> Yes. And they're very different.

>> Yes. And they're very different.

>> And they're so And like the actors who play them are >> are gorgeous.

>> Gorge like literally like as Christian was saying bark at the screen. Huh. just

like generational face cards. Like

absolutely like they basically found like these two unknown actors and they're both beautiful. Jesse remember

remember like a week and a half ago when I was like we should discuss heated rivalry and you were like I don't know.

I'm not sure if we'll have time. I don't

know if I want to. I guess I'll check it out. And then like two days later you're

out. And then like two days later you're like I'm LIKE I HAVE STANDARDS AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM ASKING WHAT I NEED.

LIKE I'M GOING to eat those faces.

>> Yeah.

>> No, I honestly thank God that that that show came out at this time cuz like I needed it.

>> Oh, I did too. I needed it so badly. I

have not been in a fandom this fun in probably 25 years.

>> Yeah. This is like One Direction level of fandom. Like

of fandom. Like >> Oh, more I mean it's wild.

>> The fanfics are going crazy.

>> Like the fan edits are going crazy. It's

like I feel like I listen I have an opinion on this. straight men are also watching and podcasting about this show.

>> We're going to get to that. Um I cuz I feel like everyone's kind of talking about this and I feel like we wanted to talk about some things that I feel like personally have not really been covered that I have opinions about and that I've

spent the last like week and a half gnawing at my enclosure >> uh thinking about, you know. Um

>> speak on it, sis.

>> Oh my gosh. So, do I have to explain what he hated rivalry at this point? Do

people know? I think we just did.

>> We explained it. Okay. All right.

>> Um, part of the magic of Heated Rivalry is that the two leads are also very close.

>> Yes.

>> They're also very close. They're also

incredibly fun on camera.

>> They're they have such amazing chemistry >> as themselves. And that is the So, like, God, where do we even start? Well, no.

It's funny that you say that because I was watching an interview um that Connor, who plays Ilia, was saying and he was saying he Connor was cast first and that he had to do a few readroughs with different actors and different chem

tests and he said all the other actors were great and but >> you're thinking of Hudson was cast first. I know anecdote you're about to

first. I know anecdote you're about to tell.

>> No, it was from it was from the Owen Theal Owen Theal's podcast in your dreams. Really? Yeah. where Connor said

dreams. Really? Yeah. where Connor said that he had maybe he wasn't cast first, but he had to do readroughs with a few other actors and Hudson was the last one >> and that the other actors were great,

but him and Hudson got on the Zoom and they both just like sat there for 5 seconds in silence.

>> Yeah.

>> And then started and from that moment Connor was just like, "Oh, yeah. This is

this is different." Like we both are locked into what we're going to be playing this as.

>> And I feel like the the to talk about that for a second. Uh, a perspective that I feel like I bring to this, yeah, is that like as someone who performs

friendship on camera professionally >> and has for a really long time, >> um, what they are doing is like phenomenally difficult. Yes,

phenomenally difficult. Yes, >> it is really hard. Like it's like I honestly get really annoyed when I see people who are just like they're playing it up for camera. Like they did a GQ interview. So there was like a little

interview. So there was like a little aside where like in the interview when they were doing the story, they're like, "Oh yeah, like they sort of tone it down when the cameras aren't on." And I'm like, "Yeah, it's exhausting."

>> Of course they tone it down. What? Yeah.

Like Okay. It's like

>> I'm someone who in the course of my job, I have to perform Friendship. Totally.

>> The thing about performing Friendship on camera is that you have to do it very big. It's like theater or people in the

big. It's like theater or people in the back don't see it. Cuz sometimes people will be like, "Are you mad at Jen who's on my channel with me?" honestly

imagine you went to Costco or you go to Costco, you get like a 50 lb bag of dog treats, all right, and then you spill all the dog treats all over the floor. Wouldn't it be weird if

someone came up to you and said, "Huh, that's a lot of dog treats. I don't

think all those dog treats are real."

>> Like, no, dude. They are real. I just

have a lot of them and I've used them all up which means that if I want more treats I got to [ __ ] hoof it back to Costco. That's what it's like to perform

Costco. That's what it's like to perform friendship on camera. It is like running a car on nitrous. It is exhausting and like the fact that they're doing it like

this at in in this quantity in this capacity is phenomenally impressive.

>> I couldn't couldn't agree more. I think

it's I think it's incredible to have to have >> I think also too the level like I think your your analogy is really well put that it's like a it's it's a car on

nitrous. I think yes, just the nature of

nitrous. I think yes, just the nature of having to perform Friendship on camera is a car on nitrous and then couple that with the intense level of overnight fame

and eyes then also coupled with quite a difficult um how do I put this? Um, it's

not a difficult source material, but as an actor, having to speak about it, having to speak about romance and not take your own personal

romance into it or or draw into that and have to navigate the public's dialogue of that. Yes.

of that. Yes.

>> Is a high high caliber of difficulty that these two are navigating with impeccable ease.

>> Yeah. And I think we're saying this is like I'm a media professional. Can we

can we Am I a media professional? Okay,

you are a media professional. We are two people who work in media. So, like we're kind of looking at this from the perspective of media professionals.

>> I have a background in and as I was a publicist before this, I have, you know, I've been working in PR and marketing and having to work with spokespeople for many, many years >> and I'm a stupid [ __ ] on YouTube. So,

LIKE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, >> BETWEEN THE two of us, >> we know WE'RE WE'RE PROFESSIONALS. WE

[ __ ] KNOW. YEAH, WE'RE ONE WE ONE professional between the two of us in the room. Um, and so like one of the

the room. Um, and so like one of the funny things actually about uh the show is that like or sorry, one of the funny things about their press tour is that like Hudson who plays Shane like the the

meme is that like oh he's he's not media trained because like he's like constantly saying like lots of funny ridiculous over the top sexual stuff.

Yeah.

>> Um and like I think like I want to say Teen Vogue asked him if like directly if he was media trained and he said like oh I've had media training I'm just not

very coachable. Um, to which I say my

very coachable. Um, to which I say my love, my dearest love, uh, I [ __ ] disagree. No [ __ ]

disagree. No [ __ ] >> He is phenomenally disciplined. It is

one of the most impressive media oppressors I've ever seen. Cuz like

here's the thing about media training.

Um, in case you don't know, media training is not just about what you do say, it's about what you don't say. Um,

cuz here's what he's not saying. Stuff

about his sexuality or other people's sexualities. Stuff about his

sexualities. Stuff about his relationship, other people's relationships. He's not talking [ __ ]

relationships. He's not talking [ __ ] He's not doing spoilers. Do you remember how like Tom Holland like basically had to be paired with Benedict Cumberbatch because he like wouldn't shut the [ __ ] up at what happened in the [ __ ] Avengers movies?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> He was like babysat.

>> He had to be babysat. It was crazy. Like

And the thing is is like these are all things that would come up in the course of a normal friendship conversation that he is editing out. Yes. And he is performing this highwire act where he's

like doing bites, bites, bites, bites while he's not spilling any of the beans. And it is like it is one of the

beans. And it is like it is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my life.

>> Particularly for somebody who is what do I want to say like 20 24 >> 24 >> this is we're talking about overnight success and fame. There was no real prep to this. I also think too people were

to this. I also think too people were like oh he knew it was going to be on HBO. No they didn't. This was a Canadian

HBO. No they didn't. This was a Canadian production that was put on a Canadian channel that then HBO bought the rights.

>> HBO bought it like 5 seconds ago.

>> Yeah. and and then it was put on the channel and then overnight they were like, "Oh [ __ ] people are watching it."

Like I think people have this misconception that like, "Oh, they knew all along it was going to be this big hit." Not at all. This was literally a

hit." Not at all. This was literally a show that was made in a Canadian bubble and then HBO was like, "Hey, this thing's cool. Let's pop it on the

thing's cool. Let's pop it on the channel." And

channel." And >> what's the tweet? It was like It was like $3, two Freaks in a Dream.

>> Yeah.

>> Literally, that's the [ __ ] show. Like

Like that's the show.

>> Truly truly the show. You were saying this to me. I feel that you were saying like Jenzie sort of just has media training sort of baked in because like

you've spent your whole lives in like the social world and like so you know that like your digital footprint follows you everywhere and that like you have to sort of >> inherently which is like what a horrible

way to live. I'm so sorry.

>> Yeah. But I also think too it's like it they have as a zenial I I admire the true Gen Z's uh ability to understand particularly when it comes to like

queerness. there is just an innate

queerness. there is just an innate understanding of how to move not only as an ally but also maybe maybe also as a queer person um when discussing

sexuality and and and topics that involve intimacy of that way that I think that I feel that I feel is more baked in with Gen Z than predecessor boomer who who who have you just because

they have been on the internet right and I think it's that specific topic that they've had um such experience in having to navigate because I think it's now a part of their day-to-day life with their

friends.

>> Yeah, I completely disagree that Hudson Williams is not media trained. He's

perhaps one of the best media trained people I have ever seen. Yes. Um because

like and here's the other thing like the two of them did like a slew of interviews on one day and like generally speaking when you're doing like those like video YouTube things like you get them for like 15 20 minutes, >> right? And it's just like a series of

>> right? And it's just like a series of them. They're like Yeah. You can see cuz

them. They're like Yeah. You can see cuz they're all they they don't CHANGE OUTFITS. THERE'S LIKE THERE'S LIKE FIVE

OUTFITS. THERE'S LIKE THERE'S LIKE FIVE of them in one day where they're all wearing the same things. Um, but it's like a lot of those videos like >> I mean as as someone who has worked in this environment, you get a celebrity on

you get a celebrity, you film content, >> it's it's maybe a 3 to seven minute video. Yeah. You know, um the fact that

video. Yeah. You know, um the fact that a lot of those videos are like 18 to 20 minutes and all bangers like that's absolutely bananas to get that many

bites.

>> Yes. Um, like normally speaking, uh, actors are not good at this.

>> No, >> they're not terrible.

>> It is not the same skill set. It is not the same muscle. They aren't good at this.

>> This is why when you see like legacy media podcasters who are who used to be actors, you're listening to it and you're like, why does this feel so different? Like, why does this not feel

different? Like, why does this not feel like I'm watching somebody on YouTube?

It feels like there's literally somebody behind the Smartless Cast with Q cards going, "Be a human." And that's like I honestly I feel like what will make them

movie stars is they understand this media environment and like kind of what it requires. And I think they also it

it requires. And I think they also it seems to me >> like they have a team who also supports that vision.

>> Yes.

>> Because I don't think you can be a movie star in the big 2 six.

>> No.

>> Um unless you understand how parasocial relationships can work for you. And I

also think too, and I I added this on here, I found the the Jacob Tierney was very smart in what he did with the marketing of this show

because he I think he spoke about this in the interview. He knew that the fandom, the book talk people were going to be so quintessential in making this show, whatever it was going to be, whether it lived on the Crave original

channel in Canada or it was or it was picked up by a streamer, but that was something that he was, you know, innately aware of. And so their volume of content that they were even

backlogging on set like the BTS that they were shooting in between like and putting it on TikTok like that I think

really also helped create this uh parasocial map that was laid where now I almost feel like the actors yes they're performing friendship I do think they

have a real friendship but I also feel like that bridge between character and then offscreen There was almost like a landing strip of the social content between the landing bridge between the two.

>> It's like there's there's so much synergistic magic that's happening here.

And I know that like the wrong lessons are all going to be learned.

>> Oh, no.

>> And but the thing is is like this is having >> having friendship like that and like being able to do it on camera is like such a lightning in a bottle thing.

>> Oh, totally.

>> It's like really difficult. It's like

it's not because here's the thing, you can have two funny people talk.

>> Totally. And it could be nothing.

>> Yeah.

>> And it frequently is.

>> Yes.

>> Um and like you know I think that that's God. They got so lucky.

God. They got so lucky.

>> No. They got so lucky.

>> They got so lucky. I mean I Okay. So

then I feel I feel like I'm just like I've been bottled up these thoughts.

>> No. I need you to >> I've had these thoughts all bottled up for like a week and a half and now I'm just like >> pop off queen.

>> Like if I don't GIVE MY PROF IF I DON'T GIVE MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE.

>> I NEED YOU TO GO.

>> Um >> this is your this is your this is this is for you babe. I know.

>> I only started watching this because of you.

>> I know. I literally I I Listen, I've been like a fan girl for a really long time. Okay. I'm really I I've been in

time. Okay. I'm really I I've been in fandoms basically my entire life. Like

my entire teenage life.

>> Um honestly, the only Well, okay.

>> So, probably when I was first when we first decided to talk about this, the first thing that came to my mind >> is like I am a little worried for these two boys.

>> Yes. And I don't say that I say that like I'm sure I'm sure they're gonna be fine.

>> Yeah, >> I'm sure they're gonna be okay. But

like, and I I don't use this analogy lightly. It's going to sound like I'm

lightly. It's going to sound like I'm making a joke, but it actually is true.

Getting famous this fast, it's like getting a concussion.

>> Mhm.

>> It's like in that a concussion is a very serious change to your brain.

>> Most people who get concussions are fine.

>> Yes. they address the seriousness of the moment, they're okay.

Because if you don't do that, you can go to sleep and not wake up. Um because a concussion, it's like it is it's a sudden shock.

>> It's a great analogy.

>> And it's like and I I think that like >> I think they're going to be fine. It

seems like >> they have a good team around.

>> They have a good team. I think they understand what's going on. They're all

like Connor Story like unfollowed everyone on Instagram, which like good for you.

>> Love that.

>> You don't need that.

>> Love that baby.

>> You don't you don't need that smoke. Um

get yourself a fa. tell like four people about it, you know, have fun. Um, like I think that they're going to be okay, but I I worry I worried about them in the same way that I worry about like

basically anyone who would get a concussion where it's like, "Oh god, I hope that they're taking care of themselves cuz like I think that like the only a good analog

for this I think is um what happened to like Leonard DiCaprio with Titanic and like I think it's a little different because so when Leo did Titanic, he was already like a guy like he did Romeo and Julia Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was already

Julia Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was already in the public eye.

>> Yeah. Um but what happened was he went from a guy who was like a hot guy in a movie to being like all four Beatles at once.

>> Yes.

>> Um and I think like first of all I love Leonardo DiCaprio. I think that he's a

Leonardo DiCaprio. I think that he's a phenomenal actor. I think he's had an

phenomenal actor. I think he's had an incredible career. I think that like

incredible career. I think that like >> you like that he dates at least just of age 25year-olds.

>> Okay. I have I have a hot take on this.

>> Oh speak on it.

>> I have a hot take on this.

I think we need to leave Leonardo DiCaprio alone about dating 25year-olds.

And here's why. HERE'S WHY. I THINK WE need to >> I think we need to cut him some slack. I

think we need I think we need to cut him some slack. Here's why. This is part of

some slack. Here's why. This is part of my Here's why. Here's my argument. I

think we need to cut him a little bit slack. Okay. Here's the thing.

slack. Okay. Here's the thing.

>> All right. Let me

>> Leonardo DiCaprio I think has had a phenomenal career.

>> But if you recall in like right after Titanic, he did uh Man in the Iron Mask, which was like whatever. Yeah. He did uh you know what else did he do? did this

Danny Bole movie called The Beach, which is terrible. Uh, and then he was in like

is terrible. Uh, and then he was in like a Woody Allen movie for like 5 seconds.

So, like over the course of like four years after this like life-changing global hit. He did like two and a half

global hit. He did like two and a half movies. He kind of stumbled and then

movies. He kind of stumbled and then like in 2002, he comes out with uh Catch Me If You Can and um Gangs of New York.

>> Um Spielberg and Scorsese. They're both

He's great in both of them.

>> And then it's just off to the races.

Yeah.

>> He does like The Aviator, he does The Departed. Uh he does uh uh Blood

Departed. Uh he does uh uh Blood Diamond, which is fine, but he's good in it. Um uh Inception, Shudder Island, you

it. Um uh Inception, Shudder Island, you know, he's great.

>> Great. You know, he's just he's off. He

he figured it out. Yeah.

>> But like >> it >> I think that like him figuring it out is the best case scenario. Yeah.

>> And like it's funny like I don't know if there you saw this, but like he Timothy Shalomay gave an interview like a while ago where he talked about how like Leo gave him advice where it was like don't do superhero movies and don't do drugs.

Um, and it's like >> I think that you have to understand what happened to Leonardo DiCaprio in 1997.

>> Yeah.

>> Like he went from being a guy who was in a movie that people liked to being the most famous person on earth.

>> Yeah. He went he went from just he went from like a a sealist actor to a-list overnight >> where people were buying, you know, paparazzi are outside your house. Like

you're stalked at a level that I don't think the general public really understands.

>> Princess Diana levels of fame. Like he

was a great >> He was astronomically he was famous in a way that I don't think is even replicatable today.

>> No, it's not. I mean we just it just that we don't consume media in the same way.

>> And like here's what I think >> we need to cut him some slack. I mean

look at 25. I'm happy they're of age.

Let me be [ __ ] clear. I think the I think a lot of bad things could have happened later to Caprio. Okay.

>> And they probably did >> a lot of but a lot of like worse things.

Okay. I think he could have I think he could have developed an addiction problem. I think he could have you know

problem. I think he could have you know developed like some sort of maladaptive behaviors towards people or women. And

granted like I don't know this person's like but like you know he could have >> his addiction is 25year-old [ __ ] who's to complain. I think that there I truly

to complain. I think that there I truly think that there is a part of his brain that is permanently screaming I'm 23 because like >> well because you do there's somebody that said that I forget who said this

but they're like when you get famous like that overnight your brain freezes at the age at which you get famous you are incapable like your the le what it

does that level of public awareness of you as a person you are not able to then grow past that there will always be a part of your brain that is stunted at that age.

>> And I think it's so funny because like when you watch him like when people make jokes about like the Golden Globes or something, you can see he's kind of like you can see he's a little confused. Like

you can see there's something in his brain that's like why is everyone so [ __ ] weird about this?

>> I genuinely think he's like 25 that's that's 2 years older than me. I think

that like there is genuinely something in his brain that like can that is always going to be stuck in the I'm 23 years old and that he is doing a

phenomenal job. Anyway, I just think

phenomenal job. Anyway, I just think that we should cut Leo DiCaprio a little bit of slack because in 1997 he was basically hit in the head with a shovel.

>> That's the clip.

>> So like he's doing >> he's doing good. Okay. He's doing He's doing okay.

>> We're fine. Yeah. No, we're fine that he's [ __ ] 25 year olds. I don't care.

>> You know who else had like a crazy like upbringing with fame? Justin Bieber.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh my god. I was thinking about that too.

>> Worldwide.

>> I remember reading interviews about him in like 2010 like and like reading like about like his weird relationship with his mom and being like, "Oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no." It

>> it really freaks me out when people get really famous really fast. Yeah. because

it is dangerous to them. It's not to be clear, it's not something they're bringing on themselves.

>> No.

>> But it is dangerous and it is something that like requires care.

>> Yes. And so I >> I also want to say this too in light of recent events and I won't go too deep into this but like >> particularly when it's like famous

overnight for like tragedy or things of that nature >> I I invite people to have a little bit more empathy and compassion before commenting on things in a way that I don't think I would have otherwise had I

not been so >> I know what you're talking about >> close to.

>> I know what you're talking about. Um I

would agree with you.

>> Yeah. I think I would agree with you on that. Um

that. Um I like you know it because like becoming f because who was I talking to about this? I was talking to somebody about

this? I was talking to somebody about this at the party we were at the other day. I was talking to you.

day. I was talking to you.

>> Yeah.

>> I think becoming famous over the course of like two to three years. That's what

you want. Yes. You know what you want?

You want to be like Paul Mezcow.

>> Where did Paul Mezcow come from? No one

knows.

>> A a nice a nice like Irish uh tree.

>> What was his first movie? Was it After Sun? I think not. I don't know. It's

Sun? I think not. I don't know. It's

just all of a sudden he's just here.

>> He's just appeared.

>> He's just a part of the He was always a part of the Overlook Hotel.

>> You want to be like that.

>> You don't like it. It that is the idea.

And granted like no one has control over this. Like it's just but that is the

this. Like it's just but that is the like I I mean >> I think about like when I first was becoming famous >> and I to be clear I am a mo I am I I'm a

minor minorly famous person. I'm not

like, let's [ __ ] I understand that the scale is different.

>> Yeah.

>> However, that should inform the seriousness of my point.

>> Um, people would tackle me in public.

>> People would one time I was checking into a hotel and someone took a creep shot of me and posted it and tagged me in it.

>> No. What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. I had I I'd check out of the

>> Yeah. I had I I'd check out of the hotel. I had to leave the hotel. Uh,

hotel. I had to leave the hotel. Uh,

people did that a lot. People would take creep shots of me all the time.

>> Constantly. People would people would grab me people will grab me and show me to their friends.

>> Yeah, that's Yeah.

>> And like I it doesn't happen anymore mostly because I think the people who like me are like older now.

>> But it there was a and that's this is me.

>> And again also too like like you're saying you this isn't something anyone can control because a lot of it has to do with the way that the public consumes media. Yes. Like at the time people were

media. Yes. Like at the time people were on Facebook watching like hundreds of thousands of people were watching ladylike videos like that was the you know what I mean like we're on you

millions millions on on YouTube or whatever whatever it was and it's like that was the way that society American public whatever was consuming media you had no control over that being the tide

at which the height of social consumption that you were a part of right like you had you had some voluntary you know you were getting paid for it or whatever like obvious obviously I chose to do it. You weren't

like mass MILLIONS OF PEOPLE GO WATCH MY [ __ ] ON YOUTUBE and they followed. Do

you know what I mean? It's the same thing. Leonardo DiCaprio cuz wasn't like

thing. Leonardo DiCaprio cuz wasn't like I shall make Titanic a hit. Like it just >> I will make Titanic the biggest hit movie ever.

>> You know Titanic was the number one movie for 15 weeks.

>> Oh, I didn't know that.

>> 15 week that will first of all it had never happened before. It will never happen again.

>> No, it'll never happen again.

>> That will never happen. Like like he I cannot overstate how I mean not to be like a Leo apologist again.

>> I cannot overstate how famous he became.

Yeah.

>> And like I >> Don't worry, we'll do the super clip whenever whatever we'll do the super cut of whatever horrible thing comes out.

>> I know, right? I can't overstate.

Literally I >> No, I agree WITH HER.

>> CAN'T OVERSTATE. But like I I mean, and granted, like I understand I'm not as famous as these boys. I'm not like I'm not it's not the same thing. But like

>> it's it changes your brain chemistry regardless of when and how it happens.

>> So the best way for it to happen is really slowly.

>> Yeah. Um it's it I anyone who wants to get famous overnight no you don't.

>> I wonder though my my one counter to this is >> another factor in the again the larger sense of how we consume media is the

turnover rate by which uh overnight successes dominate the top of the attention span charts.

>> Here's the thing. I think that this is a really unique use case.

>> Okay? Because I think that this is actually one of the few times in which an overnight success actually has staying power because I think people become people become like because like >> people become famous for like 15 minutes or whatever.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't think I think this is like >> the world got a scratchoff lottery ticket that had like a $2 million jackpot on it. I in terms of like they

just happened to find >> these two stars. Yeah. And then put them together so they could bring out the best in each other.

>> Yeah.

>> And so I think that like >> we are I think they're going to have a little I think they're going to be okay.

>> I think they're be okay. There

definitely will be a I think there will be a learning curve and a the the the publicists will have to shape them both

into um something else for a little while for the next few months.

>> Oh, I don't think so.

>> Well, they're going to have to separate them two, unfortunately.

>> Actually, I I do think they're going to have to separate.

>> They're going to have to separate them.

>> Separate them. And people are not going to like it.

>> And people aren't going to like it, but they're going to have to because they have to develop individual identities in order to stay within the business.

>> I know. I know. But I hate I hate it if you are right. I know it's sucks and I I say as a fan I'm like no >> as as a media professional I'm like you are absolutely right.

>> Yeah. Like they're going to have to separate them so they can develop individual identities. That's not to say

individual identities. That's not to say that they're they've both signed on for another like three another seasons.

We're going to get more of them. We're

going to get more of these press runs.

Like they're coming back. But I do think for the sake of the longevity of their both of their careers, they need to be separated. Which is hilarious because

separated. Which is hilarious because it's like it sounds like they can't keep each other hands off each other. They're

like they need to be separated.

yourself.

>> We are. And you can see the how they're already doing it because they're doing they're because they're they're they're doing a lot of separate interviews.

>> Yes, they're doing a lot of separate interviews.

>> They're doing a lot of separate like a lot of separate photo shoots, stuff like that.

>> I honestly think Hudson Williams, right, is his last name. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um

>> like you don't know my husband's last name, >> girl.

>> Wow.

>> I don't know my last name right now.

>> Um >> can I get another white cloth?

>> Yeah, you grab another white clover.

Thank you, Nikki. Um, I think >> kind OF A JOKE, BUT NOT REALLY. GO

AHEAD.

>> WAIT, DO YOU NEED ONE? ACTUALLY,

>> I'LL TAKE ANOTHER ONE. YEAH, I'll take one.

>> Um, I think Hudson has a really interesting career in in comedic acting and on television.

>> I do too. I think actually I I I have a lot of thought. I mean, granted, like I don't know what this man wants cuz >> Yeah, but like but like I as again I feel like I actually like this cuz I feel like we're discussing this as like just two media girls.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Media girls.

>> Just two media girls having fun.

I think like if I was if I was on his team if I was on his team and I was advising him, I would be like you have the ability to have like a really diverse

uh areas that you touch in. Yeah.

>> Like I think that like I would >> I want to see him like to me if I was the publicist I'd be like what are the workaholic guys doing right now? Get him

in that cat suit.

>> Yeah, they're really neat. They actually

add so much resistance to the back that I can't actually Yeah. Ah, [ __ ] I'm Land Leopard. Still fight crime, you

Land Leopard. Still fight crime, you know. I'm working at it. Actually,

know. I'm working at it. Actually,

working on my athleticism online. You

can follow me. Land leopard 43. Land

leopard was taken.

>> Do you know what I mean? Did you have you seen the clips of him from his like college days where he was in like like I want to see him comedically flex his muscles in a way that is so unexpected

and surprising that it totally breaks us out of who we know him as.

>> I think he's the next Ryan Reynolds.

>> Interesting.

>> I think he's the next Ryan Reynolds. Can

I say something potentially problematic, baby?

>> Oh, no. Ryan Ronald sucks.

>> No, not that. I don't think he's tall enough.

>> Oh, I don't give a [ __ ] Who Who girl who cares?

>> I think from a I do think from a publicist perspective. From an old

publicist perspective. From an old Hollywood perspective, I don't name [ __ ] green.

>> Name another Ryan Reynolds type that is short.

>> Another Ryan Reynolds type who is short.

I don't think he's that short.

>> He's not. That's my Oh, Hudson. No,

Hudson is short. Hudson. Hudson's not

above six feet.

>> He's like, >> I don't I disagree. I so disagree.

>> I know, babe, BUT IT'S A THING.

>> NO, >> IT'S A THING. I hate

>> I'm not I It's a thing. Name Name

another one.

>> I don't First of all, I hate Ryan Reynolds. I think he sucks.

Reynolds. I think he sucks.

>> No, he sucks. But like But I think >> I'm saying this from like a in terms of like the type of career trajectory. I

think he's the next Ryan Reynolds in my opinion.

>> I mean, comedically, talent-wise, 100% I think he could totally do it. I just

don't when Okay, here's my thing about when I say >> agree. That's my Deadpool. What?

>> agree. That's my Deadpool. What?

>> Okay. Yeah, maybe I'll consent on I'll I'll cuz I my brain >> sure Tom Cruz is like five foot and zero.

>> Yeah, but that was from an era of Hollywood that will literally like he was he is he's made in a Scientologist lab. Like that's he's not a real person.

lab. Like that's he's not a real person.

>> Like his career trajectory.

>> I've ever disagreed with you on anything else more than this. I disagree. I

disagree so much. I do not think it matters. I do not care. I don't think

matters. I do not care. I don't think anyone else cares. I think that it's >> I think I don't I agree with you, but I am saying this from the perspective of

the old studio head people knowing how they've operated and watching this industry and growing up in it. That's

where my head goes.

>> Maybe we should hit them in the head with a shovel.

>> I completely agree. I think we should burn it down. I actually think I think in the Netflix deal with Warner Brothers, there should be a ceremony burning of all of the studios and then the ashes of all the PAs that have been

>> I think the world is changing. I think

the world is changing. I just don't think I don't think that that >> I don't think that matters as much. I

just don't think it does. I think that I think if if you are charming and compelling and you can if you can sell tickets, so to speak, I think that's all that matters. I don't think he's going

that matters. I don't think he's going to have when I say the height thing, my thing is I I think about like I think about like the the larger ticket projects that Ryan Reynolds has been offered and I and I think those might be

off the table.

>> Okay. Well, who do you think? Okay. All

right. All right. Fine. We'll take Ryan.

So, I'm I don't know what has gone wrong in my brain over THE LAST TWO WEEKS, BUT I AM so like into the earth protective of these boys. Let me think about who

>> even even though like I have like a lot of like understanding of like of this industry and stuff like that. I'm just

like how [ __ ] dish the [ __ ] up.

>> Yeah. No, it's fine. No. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Okay. So, not Ryan Reynolds. Who do you think?

>> I think does he have to be hot?

>> No. Just charming. Well, it has to like who is hot. He is hot though. He's so

hot. He's so it's like he's so hot that like >> I say this okay I say this not because of any racial thing but because I know this actor that I'm going to compare him

to also has comedic chops say and I disagree already.

>> Really? Why?

>> I know you're going to say I disagree already.

>> Who am I going to say?

>> Are you Are you going to say Simulu?

>> Yeah. No.

>> Why?

>> I think Simulu is not as charming as Hudson Williams is. Not even close. Not

even close. Not even in the same galaxy.

Also no. Not even

>> No. I know. I know why. I know why. But

again, let's aside what we know about him. No. What? On screen. On screen.

him. No. What? On screen. On screen.

>> Uhhuh.

>> You're right. Simo hasn't shown the the level of like I mean, I can't think of like a dramatic thing that >> I don't think I don't think he's charming. I just don't I just don't I

charming. I just don't I just don't I just don't I think that there's I think there's something special there that isn't just hot guy. I think it's hot guy

plus understanding of the audience plus funny clever smart insightful.

>> You know, it might be Paul Mezcow.

>> You're right. I'll accept that.

>> I think it's Paul Meow.

>> I'll accept that.

>> AND TO MY POINT ABOUT the height thing, couldn't clary couldn't carry a gladiator film alone, but could as a co-lead.

>> Yeah. And granted, that movie was >> dog [ __ ] but you see what I'm saying?

>> I do. Okay, Paul Mascal, I will I will accept your I will accept your >> Do you see what I'm saying? Do you see what I'm saying? Do you see what I'm saying?

>> You're saying I see what you're saying.

I do, but like uh >> because like think about it when you're going to the pitch meeting to the to the 800year-old troglodites at the studios that you're trying to pitch this to, right?

>> Like Paul Mezcow wouldn't have sold that movie alone.

>> No, but also it was a big budget movie.

It's like we're saying if he wants if you want to make this man >> Yes. If you want to make this man a

>> Yes. If you want to make this man a star, those that the height thing was my one hurdle of it of of like the one thing that I'm like the boy, you can't change this, but I love you and I want you to win. I want you to feed off the

of your riches. Like I I want I want the success for you.

>> I as someone who's 5 foot three, I think everyone is tall, >> girl. I'm 5 foot 3, too. I don't give a

>> girl. I'm 5 foot 3, too. I don't give a [ __ ] I'm just saying.

>> I know. I realize it's hard. sometimes

hard to separate like my our understanding of the industry and our understanding of like being media professionals with the fact that we're just like gnawing at the [ __ ] bars of our >> closure. But I think Paul Mascal is the

>> closure. But I think Paul Mascal is the equivalent.

>> Paul Mascal is a good equivalent. Yeah.

Okay. All right. I'll I'll accept that.

I'll accept that. That's fine. That's

fine. BUT I WAS >> 5'11 short.

>> Huh?

>> Is 5'11 short?

>> No.

>> No. No. It's just movie star standard.

like movie star when you're thinking about like when you're thinking the studios the way they used to evaluate like like the gravitas of a leading man like height would height would factor into it because a lot of the women that

they would pair them up that with who are like the bombshells are taller. The

we are talking about old conventional beauty standards that do not that do not necessarily um dictate how society is moved nor are they necessarily beauty standards that I agree with or anyone on

this [ __ ] couch agrees with. But it

is something that should be factored in when talking about the level of uh stardom uh A-list movie that somebody could reach. It's so funny when we were

could reach. It's so funny when we were discussing this episode, the one thing I said to you was like we need to be really careful about this about talking about this because like right now in terms of like >> the rapidness of the fandom, it is like

Taylor Swift in like 2018 and then people will >> people will will come will be angry and the funny thing is is that the call is coming from inside the house a little bit because I'm just like [ __ ] TAKE

THAT BACK.

>> YEAH. YEAH.

>> So [ __ ] crushes over your head.

I came here to be like >> I actually have like a lot of insightful opinions about this and instead I'm just like >> Yeah. You're like

>> Yeah. You're like >> I don't know what happened to my brain.

I'm I mean >> this goes to the topic that we wanted to talk about about whim about your thread.

>> Yeah. Like what happened to you? I think

this is I think this is like to your point like this show has like taken over our brains and the women the the female brain in a way that is like different.

It's the thing is it's like it's there's two sides of the coin, I think. And I

think I'm on the good side of the coin now. I think like a week ago, two weeks

now. I think like a week ago, two weeks ago, I was on like the bad side of the coin. If I've learned nothing else from

coin. If I've learned nothing else from heated rivalry discourse, it's that women are [ __ ] sad. Like sad in a bone deep trenchoot of the heart kind of way. There is like a hopelessness that

way. There is like a hopelessness that has sort of been buried in the backyard of our minds for years, and it feels like the dog just dug it up, so to speak.

>> Um, >> it's been liked over 3,000 times.

>> Yeah. Uh, and I tweeted that at like 3:00 a.m.

3:00 a.m.

>> And it's true.

>> It's true because I think I think there's two I think there's and I I want to talk about the second part this the other side of this coin in a second.

We'll talk about this for a second. I

think that what a lot of women are feeling and like that's fun. Like we're

having a good time. Yeah.

>> But I do think that like >> a lot of like deep dissatisfaction in people's lives is sort of being uncovered by this. Yeah. And so it makes the fun a little bit bittersweet.

>> Totally.

>> Because I know like two 3 weeks ago I was just like >> I need to start over.

>> Yeah.

>> I was like I don't think I don't think what I am doing is working for me.

>> Yeah.

>> Um and I was like really it just you know and granted like this is a fantasy.

We understand that it's a fantasy.

>> Totally. But like,

you know, as someone who's been involved in fandoms my whole life, >> um I know that there is a correlation between how invested I am with a fandom

>> and how badly my life is going.

>> Interesting.

>> Um if I am a little bit too into something, it's cuz I am running from something. And when I am a little

something. And when I am a little busier, I have like a little bit less time, you know, to run from things. And

like, you know, I think the thing I will say also, if you are feeling like really hyperfixated on this in a way that makes you feel like really sad and like really like your life will never feel good again and like you can't have like a

life that is fulfilling or whatever like this. If this is your first time, I want

this. If this is your first time, I want you to know this will pass. It will it will pass. This will It's going to It

will pass. This will It's going to It feels really intense right now. It will

pass. this is not gonna feel like this forever. Um it may get replaced with

forever. Um it may get replaced with something else, but that's a different story. Um but I think that like because

story. Um but I think that like because we were talking about this I've been talking about this with like basically everyone I know.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We were voice memoing each other at 3:00 a.m. the other night while I was like in tears >> and I was just like literally because it was it does make you it throws in a stark relief what it is that you are

settling for.

>> Yeah. And and and I think for me what I yearn for in a lot of ways, which is like uh I think what I saw inia being able to read Shane's uh emotional

dysregulation and meet those needs in the moment as something that I really yearned for as somebody who was the one that really saw myself in shame a lot.

Like that is what I was like. I yearn

for someone that is able to see how uncomfortable I am with these feelings and make me feel okay with them.

>> And I here's the crazy thing is that I see myself in Ilia so much.

>> Really?

>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Very much so. Where

I'm just like, do I really like this or am I just searching for a home? Like do I really is is all the things I do in my life >> Yeah. Are those things I really love

>> Yeah. Are those things I really love doing or are they just like desperate attempts to get people to like me because like >> my parents don't like me.

>> Yeah.

>> And like that cuz I mean not that Elie's mom is dead so like that's not the but it's like they're not my you know they're same thing where they're not available to listen. No like on like there >> but because I've read the books and

reading the books like this gets covered a lot more but it's just like in the Have you read the books?

>> No but I've started to now read the selected passages on book talk. So one

so one thing like in the the thing where he's like eating the spaghetti which like beautifully acted scene um there's like basically at the end of heated rivalry you've seen it already if you're watching this far but at the end of it like he like when they're

>> uh Shane's parents discover them and like they like they basically like they're kind of discussing like their next steps and like uh and like basically like it's serious conversation for Shane, serious for his mom, serious for his dad. Elia is just like chowing

down on pasta and like he does like a little dance. He's like putting MORE

little dance. He's like putting MORE CHEESE ON. HE'S HAVING and in the book

CHEESE ON. HE'S HAVING and in the book it talks about how like this is like the best day of his life.

>> I remember I I read that past the best day of his life and it's like I think I tweeted something to close friends at like 4:00 a.m. where I was like

if you follow me on close friends I'm so sorry. It has been a rough year for you.

sorry. It has been a rough year for you.

>> Really not good. I

>> I'm really sorry.

>> I look sometimes I'll take people off cuz I'm like I don't want them to know about this.

>> Nikki, I recently added you. Good luck.

>> Good luck, [ __ ] Uh, but like on Close Friends, I was just like the one thing about heated rivalry that makes me sad is that it's not just a fantasy about romance. It's a fantasy about having

romance. It's a fantasy about having like a loving family and enough money where you can actually enjoy being in love and having a loving family.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It's a fantasy about all those things.

>> Yeah.

>> And like, you know, it's like I I do relate to Ilio where I do relate where I'm just kind of like, I can't go home again. What would I go home to?

again. What would I go home to?

>> Yeah. It feels nice to belong.

>> Yeah. Like what would I go home? Like

literally it's like I can't like you know my dad like I don't I don't talk to my mom.

>> Yeah.

>> My dad doesn't really like me that much like he >> Yeah. And I mean I think the what I so

>> Yeah. And I mean I think the what I so saw with Sha with Shane was that like you can plan and prep everything out but like the the the moment of and like the

interactions with other people are like the scariest part.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz that's the one thing you like can't control.

>> Yeah. And like this is >> that's the hard that was the hardest.

>> So it's not just a fantasy about finding someone you love. It's a fantasy about finally getting your emotional needs met.

>> And I think that that really has hit people right in the dick.

>> Yeah. I think Yeah. You know. Yeah.

Whereas somebody who consistently blows their dick off.

>> Yeah. Stop doing that.

>> My phantom dick really felt this.

>> And that's like I think like I've been >> my ghost stick my ghost stick really hurt from hurting Eden rivalry. Stop

cutting off your own dick.

I And I feel >> I I I think that like a lot of a lot of women right now >> are feeling very like thrown and I think that they're just like, you know, it's

hard to understand like exactly what throws them aunder, but I think it's not just the romance piece.

>> No, not at all.

>> I think it's all of this. And I think >> I think it's the emotional needs. I

think that's what it is cuz it's so clear. They both have such different and

clear. They both have such different and distinct emotional needs. Yes. that are

being met and I think are hitting on pe on different people who with attachment wounds needs >> that >> and and and as you said putting in just

stark reality what us as viewers yearn lack miss want um in you know and not just giving you one iteration of it which I think particularly with because

I read a lot of romance novels like I don't read very much but if I do read it it's people [ __ ] it and I >> I read a lot And I feel like a lot with the

heterosexual like with the you know male female romance the emotional needs piece is often the narrative driver within the female story. And so we're only getting

female story. And so we're only getting one lens of that emotional need. Whereas

this it's two rich characters who both have such distinct emotional needs and we're seeing two people >> meet them in a naturally easy way. meet

each other's needs in a very easy, natural way. And I think it's what the

natural way. And I think it's what the women are going, "Ah, fuck."

>> And I think that that's where I was two weeks ago.

>> Yeah.

>> But I think I have I've sort of I've flipped it around. I've flipped it around a little bit. Okay.

>> All right. She's flipped a [ __ ] Let's hear it.

>> I've flipped it around a little bit. All

right.

I think that we kind I I was thinking about this in watching kind of like this press tour of like these two >> Yeah.

>> deeply attractive, >> so sexy >> men.

>> The way I would drink their bath water.

>> I >> I would literally drink their bath water.

>> I can't even talk about it.

>> I would get an IV I would get an IV of the water dripping from Court Connor Story's [ __ ] into my body. Like

>> I can't even [ __ ] talk about it. It's

like it's so I feel I genuinely am like >> am I too old for this? It's like no, I don't care. No, but like so but like the

don't care. No, but like so but like the thing is is like I I feel like >> one thing that we feel in watching their press tour like one thing that like obviously like you kind of makes you

feel bad is you're like oh they're so beautiful and they're having they're so beautiful and like the story is so beautiful and like they found love and also they found friendship and like you know it's like listen human relationships are very complicated and

finding like the love of your life is a very complex thing. But I do think the other thing that people are responding to that they feel jealous of is the fact that like Hudson and Connor are having so much fun.

>> And that, my friend, is in your control.

>> Yes.

>> You can have fun.

>> Yes.

>> Like you should be going out and throwing ass. Go out and throw Go out,

throwing ass. Go out and throw Go out, throw more ass.

>> Throw more ass.

>> Go flirt with people who are hotter than you. Okay. Wear [ __ ] that's too short.

you. Okay. Wear [ __ ] that's too short.

Take naked photos of yourself >> all the time.

>> Do you know how many [ __ ] naked photos I have on my phone? Do you know how many nudes I've sent?

>> I have so many like I like I've like I have literally honestly so many naked photos.

>> Take photos of yourself naked, please.

>> Like literally honestly at this >> memorialize it. There will be a day where you look back and you go, I should have taken more.

>> Literally. Yes. I look at this and I'm like, God, I was so hot like 5 years ago. It's like I I truly

ago. It's like I I truly >> And here's the thing. Age is something that is inevitable, right? So take those hot photos now. Send them

>> Well, not even I mean to act >> I send them around the world. I feel

like I hear from people who sometimes are just like, "I'm 20 in my 20s and 30s and I'm too old." Like, girl, I'm in my 40s.

>> Okay, I am ready to go out and throw ass. All right.

ass. All right.

>> Like when I go last time, remember last time I was in New YORK AND I GOT AND I GOT LIKE ANTIBIOTIC resistant strep and like a pelvic bruise that lasted a month.

>> Yeah.

>> Like I was >> I really hope we don't have to cut that because that was a really >> Let's not cut it. It's true. It

happened. It's It's fine. It happened.

It's that's WHAT HAPPENED. I WENT I WENT AND I HAD a little too much fun.

>> It happens.

>> I had a little too much fun. Um, it

happens.

>> Yeah, it h it happens. And like I, you know, and that's >> and here's the thing. It's a great story. Like I always I think also too as

story. Like I always I think also too as the as the Shane as the over as the, you know, constant afraid of opening up like sh, you know, uh, just hermit person

like I'm so afraid of having fun sometimes because I'm like, what's the cost going to be? What's going to be this? At the end of the day, it's a

this? At the end of the day, it's a great [ __ ] story.

>> And I'm a big chaotic [ __ ] >> Yeah.

>> Big big chaotic [ __ ] And that's >> Go be [ __ ] >> Go be [ __ ] >> Go be [ __ ] >> Go be [ __ ] And I that's like that fun is within your control. And like you can

make fun. That fun that you're jealous

make fun. That fun that you're jealous of, you can do that. Like that that's not they don't have a [ __ ] monopoly on that. And I think they'd be the first

on that. And I think they'd be the first people to tell you that. Yeah. Um, and

like, you know, I think that that is sort of where I am now is like I'm just like, you know, I honestly I was like really I was sad. I was really sad and then I kind of like a few days ago I was

like, you know what? I'm like a moderately famous person who's funny and has a fat ass.

>> That part >> I I don't need to be this sad, you know?

>> THERE WE GO.

>> LIKE, >> I JUST DON'T NEED to be this sad. Like,

listen, the world is burning down. Uh,

fascism is here. We are succumbing to it. We are not going to [ __ ] make it

it. We are not going to [ __ ] make it unless you go out and throw some ass.

>> Period. That part. You want find somebody to hold on to when they come and kill you. You know what I mean?

>> We're not going to make it. Okay. We're

not.

>> It's the world's burning. At least have at least getting your nut off before it happens.

>> It's like I am someone who worries a lot about like the world and like I mean you [ __ ] know this. Most of my material is just like most of my material is like, "Hey, I'm Kristen. I'm here to be a bummer." Um, and I understand that.

a bummer." Um, and I understand that.

It's my brand. My brand is my brand is I'm a [ __ ] bummer. Um, is a girl who shows up to be like, "Oh, that thing you like? I'm about TO [ __ ] IT UP.

like? I'm about TO [ __ ] IT UP.

>> YEAH, THAT THING you like.

>> Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to break it. I'm going to [ __ ] break it." But

it. I'm going to [ __ ] break it." But

I also know that like I I am not going to make it unless like I go out and [ __ ] [ __ ] >> and go [ __ ] [ __ ] up.

>> No, you're so right. Honestly, I needed you to hear I needed I needed to hear that today.

>> Yes. Literally, like I I was I was like thinking like I I was like I don't send my nudes to enough people. Like not

100%.

>> They're good. They're great.

>> Girls, send them nudes.

>> I have taken some fantastic nude photos and not enough people have seen them.

I'm just saying. Cuz like what's the worst that happens? Someone commits a crime to show everyone how hot I am.

>> I've been saying this for years.

>> What's it It's like Yeah. Cuz like if you leak my nudes, you're the criminal.

>> I'm in trouble.

>> You're in trouble. And I'm the hottie.

So, who's the [ __ ] loser here now?

>> I Thank you. I feel SO VALIDATED RIGHT NOW. I am I am peeking.

NOW. I am I am peeking.

>> I was anti- nudes for a long time.

Really? I was. And then the pandemic happened and then I uh I know. So,

>> send them nudes.

>> When I during the pandemic, I got really into taking naked photos.

>> I'm I first of all love naked photos.

Also too, hot take. Love a dickpick.

Make it good.

>> I do too. I like I you know people I think men have been sh because men you guys were I mean you you act you ruin everything you you have a tendency to really ruin everything. Um so but but no a dickpick is quite nice sometimes you

know I don't want I want it you know within the context of a conversation I want a random one you know it's like being slapped in the FACE ON THE SIDEWALK >> BUT IT BUT a a a solicited dickpick that is received >> is is always welcome.

>> That is fine. Like listen, like you know like >> I love our male producer walks into this.

>> I WAS LITERALLY I WAS ABOUT TO BE LIKE I WAS LIKE IT'S like it's not like I show men my nudes. I was like no actually that's not true. There is a writer for Rolling Stone who has seen one of my nudes.

>> Oh, I be sending my nudes.

>> It's fine. Are you mad at Michelangelo for for sending nudes of David?

Grow up. Oh, we have we talk about the empty neters guys.

>> Oh my god. Yes. So the straits have now fallen also in >> Well, they're straight hockey bros.

>> Yeah, the straight hockey. like you

probably >> but also the straight bros in general.

I've also been seeing like threads of of women saying like I've turned my my husband on to heated rivalry and he loves it and now it's like in a group chat I >> it's a good show.

>> It's a good show. Anyway, the text ended with like you're bro you're going to be so moved >> to the male group chat.

>> Well, no I mean that's okay. So that's

why we talk about that. So like it's if in case you haven't seen these guys they're like they're like hockey podcasters who have decided to they broke down all the episodes >> and it's incredible. You have to watch

it. Cuz in the thing like it it's I I'm

it. Cuz in the thing like it it's I I'm trying to like the way >> it's so funny because like their opinions are so correct.

>> They are dead [ __ ] right, but they are so angry ABOUT ALL OF THEM.

>> EVERY SINGLE THING A HAT. KEA, give me your hat. Give me your hat. It's like

your hat. Give me your hat. It's like

every >> Where's my white cloth? Okay. Every

single every single clip of these guys is just like they're just like I'm just saying we should have seen THE PENETRATION, BRO.

I'M JUST saying we need the penetration.

All right. You show a dick in the first act, you [ __ ] fire in the third.

LET'S JUST CHECK OFF [ __ ] DO YOU EVEN [ __ ] DRAMATOLOGICALLY ANALYZE?

LIKE, [ __ ] I hope this kind of unending love finds you so you can get your [ __ ] head on straight.

Figure your [ __ ] out. They're so They're They're Did I fix Did I [ __ ] up my hair?

Thank you, Kea.

>> Wait, no.

>> Straight on. Straight on. Straight on.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> The things I do. The things I do for comedy. Um, but like that's every it's

comedy. Um, but like that's every it's it's like they are so aggro with each other and it's so [ __ ] f like they did like a live stream. I'm always

gesturing with this hat.

>> Here, give it to him.

>> Okay. basically like at the point where like Elie and Shane tell each other they love each other. Like the middle guy was just like, "Don't even look at me right now. Don't even [ __ ] look at me right

now. Don't even [ __ ] look at me right now."

now." >> I love that the straight guys are like are like watching this and like really >> and they're committed. They're

passionate.

>> You should This podcast is phenomenal.

You should watch it. They're so

>> even clips like go on TikTok and look at [ __ ] and they It's like they care about this so much. I do think this like I do think the answer though is like I think men need to watch more like this

the answer to this is like straight men need to watch more queer stories. Like I

think this might be the medium by which you know how like Modern Family was how America was was backing gay marriage.

Like I think this might this is might be what turns the tide with the male loneliness epidemic and like the edge lords and >> literally it's like you I wish I could

explain to men that like if you listened and you loved with like a sincere heart

and you and and and you stopped listening to what losers are telling you makes someone beautiful, you will not be lonely.

>> Yeah. Because I think there are so many men who are attracted to women who they genuinely feel embarrassed of.

>> Yeah.

>> And I think that like that as a fat woman, it's something that like I I'm used to I'm used to people >> wanting to sleep with me but not wanting people to know about it. And it's

something that like I think that that is really you are denying yourself of a happy life. If you are going to be

so dependent on what your bros >> Mhm. Cuz at the end of the day, if

>> Mhm. Cuz at the end of the day, if you're [ __ ] someone for your bro's validation, why don't you just [ __ ] your bro?

>> Which like you want to go [ __ ] your bro?

>> Go [ __ ] your bro. I mean I just watched a whole show about two bros [ __ ] each other. Loved it.

other. Loved it.

>> Listen, >> I understand it. Uh, but I to your point I think it's like you're right. This

idea that men need first of all guys looks fade. You [ __ ] someone.

looks fade. You [ __ ] someone.

>> Speak for yourself. I'm being hard.

>> No, same. I I show I sent you a [ __ ] video of myself when I was 18. I looked

I was like, damn, I'm glowing up.

>> Sorry. I know what you mean, though.

>> But no, but I but I do think it's like it's like if you're attracted to somebody that like who the [ __ ] cares what anybody else thinks? Like who the like unless they do you dirty by then by

all means [ __ ] whatever. But like if if you're attracted to somebody and you like them and you want to [ __ ] them, who the [ __ ] cares what anybody else thinks?

Like especially losers on the internet who don't even know you. Like you think [ __ ] Joe Rogan, Tony Hinchcliffe, Andrew Tate give a [ __ ] about what Chad

in Arkansas's [ __ ] They don't. And

they'll never know you. They'll probably

never work a day in your life as hard as you. So why the [ __ ] are you letting

you. So why the [ __ ] are you letting these people tell you who you should [ __ ] >> Yeah. Like I just I feel like there's so

>> Yeah. Like I just I feel like there's so crazy.

>> No, you're not. Transition into the Quinn original that I want to talk about.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

>> Okay. So, literally this. Okay. So,

Hudson and Connor, do you guys know what Quinn is?

>> It's a auto >> auto It's an audio erotica app. And like

most of like the audio porn. Yes, but

most of the audios they do are like self-insert. So like they're talking to

self-insert. So like they're talking to you. You are you are the other person in

you. You are you are the other person in the scene, so to speak. Um, so it's not they're not audiobooks. It's it's like it's like audio porn, but they did a duet, which means it's just aimed

towards each other. Like they're both narrating this like to each other. Like

there's no like listener insert character. Um, and like Quinn got this

character. Um, and like Quinn got this together in like like 3 seconds.

>> Yeah, they did.

>> Like they got this they got together so quickly. Um, and which like honestly I

quickly. Um, and which like honestly I think it was a great career move for them because like you got to imagine they made a show for like like probably $80,000 each. Yeah. And now they're

$80,000 each. Yeah. And now they're >> now they're two of the most famous people in the world and they have no money.

>> Yeah.

>> So they So Quinn swoops in. It's just

like, "Hey, I can tide you guys over to the next project." So like they did this they did like this do they did this like romanticy um where they're two fa princes who are

in like a forbidden romance. Uh, and it dropped like literally like 16 hours ago. Um, at like midnight. It like

ago. Um, at like midnight. It like

crashed the app.

>> Shut up. It did.

>> It crashed that. Yeah, cuz I was up at midnight. I WAS LIKE, WHY AM I LOGGED

midnight. I WAS LIKE, WHY AM I LOGGED OUT?

>> WAIT, so they didn't actually do it to any of the heated rivalry?

>> No. No. It's an original It's an original story. It's an original story.

original story. It's an original story.

I know. And you wouldn't listen to >> I was like >> I want to make So the thing is I'm going to make you listen to >> Oh my god. Hold on. I want to make you listen to it here. I even brought my earbuds.

>> So, you just want my reaction?

>> Yes.

>> Okay. She's making me listen to porn, guys. Wait, just put it in one. So,

guys. Wait, just put it in one. So,

>> I just put one in the one. Okay. Right.

Okay. Hold on. I'll put in the other one.

Well, cuz like I I listen. Okay. When I

was listening to this, I was just like, well, I'll just >> I love how you put you brought the earphones. Oh, cuz I knew I was going to

earphones. Oh, cuz I knew I was going to do this to you. I planned I planned this. I planned this. Okay, you ready?

this. I planned this. Okay, you ready?

>> 24 hours.

>> Are you ready?

>> 24 hours right after a breakup. Here we

go.

>> Oh god.

>> Wait, stop. I hear ball slapping.

This is just This is just porn. This is

audio porn.

They're moaning. That's it. It's just

ball slapping. We're on the verge of coming.

>> Wait, so that means they had to sit in this.

>> They had to >> I literally I I listened to this last night with my hands over my face. I WAS

JUST LIKE, I DON'T THINK I SHOULD BE HERE for this.

>> That's even funnier that they had to do this. Like

this. Like >> I know that's I don't know what it is, but it's like it's almost like more >> uncomfortable to listen to.

>> Yeah. To watch.

>> Yeah. They just

>> because there was music behind it.

>> Yeah. Well, they

>> they needed rivalry. There was music.

>> Well, yeah. And it's like it's like it's not like it's not they're not because like the focus isn't sounds. They're not

like fullying in >> Yeah. Yeah. Sounds They're not full

>> Yeah. Yeah. Sounds They're not full Well, also I saw one creator being like it's it's great. What what's great about Heated Rivalry is that like you can just

almost hear the ball slapping sounds but not quite. But in this you can

not quite. But in this you can >> you're hearing full ball slaps in this one.

>> Literally I was >> cheeks getting clapped.

>> I was like well cuz I'd heard that the other like Quinn originals was like cuz they do these things with other creators.

>> Yeah. I' I've heard a few of them but I was >> they like their tamer. They're not quite as like they're not and so people were like hey be prepared. this is not going to be, you know, as like graphic as

like, you know, it you might be. And

then I listened to it and I was just like, "Oh my god, like should I leave?"

>> Yeah. I shouldn't be here. Yeah.

>> I don't think I should be here for this.

>> Yeah. I don't think I should be here for this.

>> Can you imagine them in the booth doing this?

>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

>> I wish they did BTS.

>> I really am just like, "Show me the BTS, please.

>> I need to see the BTS."

>> You know that they were, you know, Hudson like was like fully in it and Connor was breaking.

>> Oh, no. They're both But they're both such pros. They're both like really

such pros. They're both like really They're both like really But yeah, I I'm very curious like what Cuz I'm sure the rest of it was just like was foed in later.

>> Yeah, of course.

>> Or it's fully just like >> No. What do you think Hudson's there

>> No. What do you think Hudson's there clapping his hand? LIKE what do you think?

>> I mean, maybe. I don't know.

>> He would. He would. For the right price.

>> He's a freak by his own admission.

>> I know.

>> But yeah, I was I honestly unfortunately cuz the first time I listened to it, I was like >> I love how you queued it up to that spot too.

>> Yeah, I'm ready. I understand. I

understand how to make content. Okay.

I'm a media professional.

>> You are.

>> Did you know this? I do.

>> I'm a little [ __ ] on YouTube.

>> Oh my god, that made me laugh so hard.

>> I know.

>> That made me laugh so hard. Oh my god.

>> But it's still good though.

Unfortunately, I have listened to it four times and it is.

>> And by the third time, you get used to it.

>> You get used to it.

>> And it's fine. And it's fun. But yeah,

the first time I was just like, I I got to go. I can't be here for this. I'm so

to go. I can't be here for this. I'm so

sorry.

>> Oh my god, it's so funny. Wait, I did want to I did want to cover like I don't know if we if we may have already covered this, but like you had one of your listeners write in.

>> Oh yes, >> your listener question.

>> Yes, >> that I really wanted to address. And

thank you guys for ask for tuning in and and and asking questions. This is again began as part of our heated rivalry.

>> Um essentially the the the net net of the question, this was a straight woman writing in. she's been in a marriage.

writing in. she's been in a marriage.

Um, you know, she's happy, but, you know, she knew she didn't really she she, you know, >> can I just read the question?

>> Sure. It's it's a little long-winded, but sure.

>> Um, I am a 40-ish year old, mostly straight woman in a heterosexual marriage, but I value the work I do, and I know it's meaningful. My husband is a good financial provider and is willing

to parent in a style that aligns with my values as long as I give him explicit instructions on how to do to how to do it. I got married knowing ours would not

it. I got married knowing ours would not be a passionate marriage, but I accepted that. I did not have expectations of

that. I did not have expectations of romance and find emotional fulfillment in friendships. My question is, does

in friendships. My question is, does this kind of loving passion that Ilia and Shane have in heated rivalry, heated rivalry, exist in real life, or is it

just a beautiful piece of art? I did not grow up in a home with happy parents who loved each other. And after spending my 20s chasing young men who just weren't that into me, I truly thought I'd gotten

the best I could hope for with the man I married. Was I wrong? I'm not kidding.

married. Was I wrong? I'm not kidding.

When I saw that godamn beautiful show is making me question everything I thought I knew about sex and love and long-term partnerships.

>> Okay, so I have a lot of thoughts on this. The first thing is

this. The first thing is >> that was like a like a Okay, I have a lot of thoughts on this. The first thing is um I am so sorry and I understand that you

are hurting so badly and I understand that hurt and I understand that like the fact that you have children makes that hurt compounded and I think that like you are in a very difficult situation

and I think that like you can sort of make space for the fact that you're in a difficult situation um and accept that like this is not an easy thing to address.

40 is young. 40 is so young. It is so young.

I am not ever going to tell someone to get divorced, but when I listen to this, my first my first like thought was like

why are you like like have you like listen let me think about this. Have you

ever had like a crush like a really really intense crush? Was it on was it on like a like an internationally famous hockey star? Was it on like a movie

hockey star? Was it on like a movie star? Or was it just a person that you

star? Or was it just a person that you knew? And so like I think that like

knew? And so like I think that like there is the capacity for passion in relationships with people that we know.

And you know this because you've experienced it in your relationships.

And I think that like we have this idea that like love is something that only like certain people get to have. And

like I I just I don't think that's true.

And I think that I don't love the idea of someone building a prison around themselves because they think it's a safety enclosure.

>> Like you're It's like you've built yourself a jail and you think it's a shark cage >> and it's not. It's a jail.

>> Yeah.

>> And I just don't think >> Look, no relationship is perfect. Like

my parents have been married over 40 years and I you know they love each other. They make each other laugh every day. I God knows

cannot speak to the level of passion they have in their relationship. But I

do think that there is there's validity in the fact that things eb and flow in long-term relationships. But it sounds

long-term relationships. But it sounds and like it's common obviously over time when you've been in a long-term relationship for like the spark to for be dulled, right? But it sounds like in

the way that you phrase this question, you're making so many caveats. You've

already so many concessions >> concessions. You're conceding so much.

>> concessions. You're conceding so much.

You're conceding you're >> every statement like you know he parents in a style that aligns with my val like you're you're having to preface so many basic needs. He can parent in a style

basic needs. He can parent in a style that aligns with your values in a different house.

>> That's great. That sounds like he's going to be a great co-parent.

>> So to say to I guess to your question is does he rivalry set an unattainable standard of love?

>> No, >> I don't think so. I mean it does because here's the thing that relationship in that show is >> took 10 years.

>> It's super [ __ ] up. Like it and if you've read the next book it's even more like there's even more [ __ ] upness there where like it's like is Yeah. If

in case you hadn't noticed, at the end of the first book, Ilia sacrifices a [ __ ] lot.

>> Yeah.

>> For Shane and he's he's going through it as a result of that. So, like I think that >> and maybe this is just like the the the point of view that I'm in right now and like the the mindset that I'm in right

now, >> but I think that don't boo yourself off stage. And it

kind of sounds like you're booing yourself off stage before you're giving other people a chance to boo you off stage. I have this weird mindset where

stage. I have this weird mindset where I'm just like, I'm ugly and nobody wants to be with me ever. Andah, and like that

is something that I feel like I haven't re-evaluated that opinion on myself since I was like 25. And that was a long time ago. Yeah,

time ago. Yeah, >> that was a long time ago. I was a much worse dresser then. And you know, I think that there

I just don't ever I will never give anyone the advice to just be happy with what they have if what they're having isn't actually happiness.

>> Yep.

>> Because like you know the difference between being happy and slowly drowning.

>> Yeah. And I think that like the fact that you're even asking this question tells me that you already know the answer to it.

>> Yeah.

>> Because people who don't have these questions don't feel the need to ask them. And I also I also give room too to

them. And I also I also give room too to like you know your husband's a financial provider.

Look, you say you can follow instructions. That's a lot for a man.

instructions. That's a lot for a man.

Most men cannot follow instructions.

Like >> Yeah. But that having to give those

>> Yeah. But that having to give those instructions is so exhausting.

>> It is. It is a net net to your to your husband. I think if there is room to

husband. I think if there is room to salvage it, again, I think to to Kristen's point, it sounds like there's a lot of caveats being this may not be the right person. But maybe if it is, if there was some nugget of love at the

beginning and passion that's just fizzled out over time and he look, >> if he can follow instructions on how to parent children, I have hope for him potentially in the bedroom. Is there a conversation that could be had and being

like "Hey >> I kind of want to try this." Like,

>> you need to see what kind of instructions you can follow >> because clearly you need more excitement in your life. Clearly, you need to go on a trip or you need to you need to go on you need to be taken on a trip. You need

to be taken to dinner. You need to be given a massage. You need he is not providing for your Here's this man is a financial provider. Great. He's not

financial provider. Great. He's not

providing for your emotional needs currently. If he's so good at following

currently. If he's so good at following instructions, he needs to follow those instructions. And if he can't follow

instructions. And if he can't follow those instructions, then you have your answer.

>> Yes, that part. And we'll end it on that. Thank you guys for writing in.

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