US Oil Infrastructure Emergency | Gen. Holt, Mike Ariza (TPC #2,006)

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And we are recording on Friday, March 27th, 2026 at 12:29 p.m. Eastern time.

There's a lot of twelves with Mr. Michael Arza and General Halt, the the captain of the Illuminati himself. Right

now, he is four miles underground beneath the White House in the bunker below the bunker. Um, but uh I >> It's dark down here.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, they've got cold fusion down there. Don't Don't let them Don't let them Don't let them [ __ ] you. negates this whole conversation

you. negates this whole conversation about oil cuz you know he's using that he's using that zero point. But uh yeah, so I I first texted you guys obviously because with the whatever plant was

blown up or accidentally blown up in Texas and uh so I'm just going to jump right into there. Mike, can you kind of give us an update on the entire uh cluster [ __ ] that's been everything California related as well as now I

suppose Texas?

>> Well, as you would call it the cluster [ __ ] Um it continues on. There's no

sign of it turning. Um, California is seeing a much bigger impact um from the uh situation with Horus and the Iran war

because California put California in the situation that it's in. Um the uh if California was producing its own crude like it used to do and if California was

refining its own products like it used to do then the effects of the Iran war um would almost be nullified actually if California was in the posture that it

used to be in producing its own crude and refining its own product. But now

we're importing uh crude from Hormuz is affecting California and it's not affecting the rest of the country. And

then the um what we had talked about before the 40% of gasoline being imported the 35 to 40% of jet fuel uh and diesel that's being imported those

are being imported from countries that are producing our products. They're

they're producing our producing and send shipping them to us. Um Andy Walls from Chevron uh specifically quoted at Sarah Week that the refineries they own in

Asia are cutting crude rates. Um which

means they're producing less gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. Uh China formally announced last week that they have basically instructed their refiners to

not ship any more gasoline or diesel which California was receiving some of that along with India, South Korea and

um um Singapore. So these refineries that if we were refining in countries, if we were refining our own crude oil, if Valero was still running, um if

Philip 66 was still running, we would not be relying on these uh refiners from other countries that are being forced to cut their their rates because of what's

going on straight to Hormuse. So it's

directly impacting California. Um one

thing the news media is really uh good about reporting is Valero back, you know, Valero. Well, they're shutting

know, Valero. Well, they're shutting down in April and um they shut down on January 31st. By April, they'll have 20

January 31st. By April, they'll have 20 employees down from 500 and they'll be uh they'll have the wastewater treating plant, a couple of their tank farm post, and the dock. Those will be the only

operators working around on on a rotating cycle. 500 of their employees

rotating cycle. 500 of their employees are gone. Most of them are gone now. Um,

are gone. Most of them are gone now. Um,

but what happened in California that they're not reporting was as soon as Valero went down within a couple days prices started climbing in California.

When I go out to the farm, go through a little town called Hamilton City was up 20 cents a gallon. Go through four or five days later, another 20 cents a gallon. By the time the Iran war

gallon. By the time the Iran war started, California was already up 80 to 90 cents a gallon on its its gasoline

and its um uh diesel fuel. So that that had already kicked in before the uh uh before the Iranian war started. And the

reason it did was um another thing we were concerned about was California's infrastructure restrictions, its ability to offload these fuels tankers. If you drive

towards San Francisco now, you'll see six, seven, or 10 of these damn things sitting there smoking their stacks, anchored out at bay waiting to offload their fuel. Whether it's gasoline, jet,

their fuel. Whether it's gasoline, jet, or diesel, they're just out there waiting. Our infrastructure in

waiting. Our infrastructure in California was not designed to offload that fuel. We were designed to bring in

that fuel. We were designed to bring in crude oil and refine the crude oil. So,

um, we're in a we're in a real bad predicament there. And then what

predicament there. And then what happened was when Valero went down, we found and we were thinking this was the case is that we were at that limit. So

when Valero went down, their 4.3 million gallons a day of gasoline, their 1.2 to 1.4 million gallons a day of jet diesel went offline, we found we were at that limit of our ability to offload. And

that's why prices started taking off. We

became supply constrained big time in the state. Um

the state. Um now you have the situation going on um again with Chevron, PBF and Marathon

have all dispatch letters to the state of California is the uh the carb has made some amendments on their cap and invest that was cap and trade. They

changed the name. It's like global warming and cooling. It's [ __ ] But basically this is I I I call it special.

This is real special. So they're going to make these refiners in California pay an additional 10020 $300 million to the

state on this cap and invest [ __ ] program. And then the polluters,

program. And then the polluters, the refiners that produce outside of the United States, outside of California and all the ships, they don't have to pay this money.

So they're paying all these all this they're losing money big time. Now

they're going to lose even more money.

And it finally got to the point where all three major corporations, Chevron, PBF, and Marathon, who own six refineries in California, have sent

letters to the governor and to the air resource board that says if we do not meet, if we do not negotiate on this, we are probably going to shut down our refineries and pull out just like Valero

did, which will take us down to one refinery. um which uh I mean it's ad

refinery. um which uh I mean it's ad atlas shrugged on steroids as the general would say um the state it'll

[ __ ] the state um food everything uh I was watching a a lady from West State uh patrol association saying that California consumes about 7 million gallons of diesel a day that's true and

when those refineries go down we're going to lose 7 to 8 million gallons of diesel a day uh they supply all of basically ally all of the airports in

the state, no jet fuel. And then the gasoline that we'll have to import will be somewhere around 29 to 30 million gallons a day. We can't do that. The

state can't do it. That's impossible. U

whether you could find countries or refineries or some other facilities to make that amount of fuel. We can't bring that in here. It's impossible. So the

state will be crippled. The state will be in a total state of civil war. And um

you know cities like the general said before 3 to 4 days food supply uh there will be no diesel available or very very little diesel available to transport anything including food to the cities.

So it's going to get uh u it's going to get real bad and and I don't see the state their track record I don't see them yielding on this. I don't see them negotiating. They they've given no signs

negotiating. They they've given no signs of uh negotiation. Um

um Secretary Wright and the president have invoked the Defense Production Act on um the offshore platforms off of Santa Barbara, which is fine. Uh I don't understand why they didn't do that a

year ago or back in Trump's first term since the Defense Production Act applied uh back then, no different than it applies right now. Um, what's kind of

got me concerned is, not kind of, it's got me concerned big time is with Valero going down and with the obvious effects of being down to seven refineries now.

And now you have a historic precedent with these other three refiners submitting these letters saying, "Hey, we're going to shut down six of the seven refineries if we can't work

something out here." This is exactly what the Defense Production Act is for.

what the um um you know what the constitution the clause there what that's for. So um I don't understand why

that's for. So um I don't understand why they are not uh invoking the defense production act for the refineries now at this point. It's like you got these

this point. It's like you got these letters from these corporations. This

this is historic. It's a historic president. It's dangerous. It's

president. It's dangerous. It's

dangerous to the military big time. The

military is already at big-time risk.

We've already talked about that before.

Now Chevron is supplying Travis with its jet fuel where Valero supplied it. So

now Chevron's splitting up where their jet fuel is going. PBF is shipping some of their jet fuel over to SFO. But once

if those all go down or if we have another refinary downtime or storms hold up tankers, the state's crippled. The

military potentially is crippled. I

don't understand why um they're not seeing the need to invoke the Defense Production Act now. Um months ago, but especially now, and especially with those letters that have come out from

the refiners, it's time to take control.

It's time to get carb away. Get the

California Injury Commission away.

Invoke the federal EPA standards. Um,

they need to do it now. We're

endangered. The military is at risk. Um,

it's bad.

>> General, would you like to make it worse?

>> I'm going to absolutely make it worse.

But what I want to compliment Mike on is the precision at which he's defined what I will call a major campaign in a global

war. California is but a battlefield and

war. California is but a battlefield and it's, you know, this is critical of the of the president's administration. It is

currently an unattended battlefield. The

enemy is attacking fullon and there is no response yet. And I with Mike this DPA nonsense for the uh platforms. What what the hell is Secretary Wright

thinking? um they're not they're not

thinking? um they're not they're not integrating or layering the bigger picture which is the supply chain itself. And here's it's it's going to be

itself. And here's it's it's going to be the second and third order effects in California. And I'll finish up on

California. And I'll finish up on California real quick. But but as this damage and these wrecking balls start to come through, all those tankers that are off San Francisco holding the gas that

they need so desperately are just going to float away because they're going to get outbought by somebody else. That's

one. Two,

um, when you don't have the ability, and there's many reasons you're not going to have this ability, when the trucking fleets of California either go out of business or stop because it's not worth

the nickels to move ahead of lettuce out of California, then the next knock-on effect after that is going to be um the port of California, which is not just

food, but there that's a the big deal, um, is going to shut down. there's if

you don't have diesel and you don't have trucks to pick up the stuff um then there's no sense in sailing stuff to a port that can't be serviced. So this is the whole West Coast and we're seeing it

and you know I I I live up here in Idaho. I just passed out of the People's

Idaho. I just passed out of the People's Republic of Washington into the free state of Idaho and um you know we're we're uh uh I I just the last gas uh

sign I saw for diesel in Washington state was near seven bucks a gallon.

So the it's it's spreading up up the coastline right now. And and here's here's the thing. It's an unattended battlefield. Now when I talk about no,

battlefield. Now when I talk about no, this is a global war. What am I really getting at? What I'm really getting at

getting at? What I'm really getting at is the globalists, city of London, whatever the hell you want to call them, could could care less, their response to President Trump is exactly

this is exactly what I would have expected. What they're doing is you got

expected. What they're doing is you got Lloyds of London over there in the Straits that is working its ass off to shut down the Straits and keep it shut down even though militarily we're opening it up. I don't think there's

been an attack on a ship in like 12 days. Um but there's still no rappers

days. Um but there's still no rappers for insurance um on on the uh on the straits. That'll get

rectified, but in the meantime, the wrecking ball is doing its damage. you

have um a third of you know chi China 46% of Chinese oil comes out of the straits the ura comes out of the straits the sulfa comes out of the straits that

goes into the food products the the pot ash fertilizer precursors in the third world the third world's got to grow that food because they got to stock grocery stores in the first world in Europe with

that and those those chickens are going to come to roost uh somewhere around the early fall time frame. Well, wait a minute. How do I know that this is the

minute. How do I know that this is the globalists activated besides my little shard of evidence called the um Lloyds of London scam? Uh well, what did the International Energy Association just

put out? They put out globally 10 points

put out? They put out globally 10 points for what they call energy lockdowns.

Sound familiar? It looks exactly like the stupid CO playbook. This won't be forever. This is just a couple of weeks

forever. This is just a couple of weeks to kind of settle down supply. People

should not work from home. should do

this, should do that. It's more control mechanisms, more enslavement, more uh and there's there is no lack of supply.

We have a distribution problem and we have uh those that hold the levers of distribution wrecking their own supply chains in some cases like California

permanently. um in some cases like

permanently. um in some cases like Europe or um in the Middle East. Uh

well, that's where the United States military can make that more or less get fixed. But the the problem is is once

fixed. But the the problem is is once you fix it, you've got that lag time.

Now, I want to get back to one of those elements of fertilizer that are it plays both ways is ura. URA is the precursor

to ammonia. Ammonia is what the climate

to ammonia. Ammonia is what the climate um ass hats put into us. um back in the uh late 80s when they said, "Well, uh climate change, so now we're all going

to have to have diesel exhaust fluid."

And so here I sit in my Ford F350. I

have to go put diesel exhaust fluid in my truck. What is that? It's your rea.

my truck. What is that? It's your rea.

Well, um that mostly comes out of the Straits of Hormuz. If if you can't get that, then you're not going to be able to run your diesel truck because it artificially shuts down the diesel

truck. It's not even a It's not a

truck. It's not even a It's not a mechanical requirement for the truck.

There's a computer on board all these trucks that say, uh, brick the truck if it doesn't have any diesel exhaust.

>> It holds it out on low level, right, General?

>> That That's right. 15 mph is your max at that point. Well, think about all the 18

that point. Well, think about all the 18 wheelers. So, so they they have held

wheelers. So, so they they have held these cascading effect weapons in their hands for the longest time for this day when they were going to go at Trump

trying to fight the globalists. Well,

what else are they doing?

Australia magically their fertiliz their biggest fertilizer producer two weeks ago announced we've got a power problem.

We're going to be down for two months in the growing season. What What's going on in Nebraska that nobody can find out about in the mainstream press? Oh, a

million acres plus I think 11 uh uh 1.1 million acres now is burning. It's all

farmland. It's all farmland. What about

um uh Leaport the refinery down there?

Uh it it just m Valero another Valero operation is magically going up in flames. Um the the the the thing is the

flames. Um the the the the thing is the enemy gets a vote. We talk about it all the time. If you don't look at the

the time. If you don't look at the patterns and if you don't equate the patterns to is it energy or food. I

wrote an article about this this week on newsmax.com.

newsmax.com.

It's all oriented at energy and food.

whether it's regulation, monopolies, um, uh, bought off, paid off corrupt governors like Nuome, but it's

intentional destruction. And we know

intentional destruction. And we know very well what happens when you induce famines into metroplexes that have a million plus people in them. It's ugly

as hell. It's ugly as hell. And you

can't control it once it gets going. And

so the point I'm trying to make is everybody in our country right now because we're a first world country.

We're abundant. We've always had everything. Um they think they think oh

everything. Um they think they think oh I had a banker tell me this the other day cuz I'm out here trying to raise money for my company. But I had a banker we were talking about this and the banker said well as bad as that is all

it means here in the United States is we're just going to pay him more for vegetables. It's like no no it doesn't

vegetables. It's like no no it doesn't matter how much money you have. If

there's nothing on a shelf, you can't get it at any price.

>> And and oh, that world will never happen. It's like, oh, you guys,

happen. It's like, oh, you guys, >> it's right around the corner.

>> You guys don't seem to really see it.

And listen, in my military life, in my military life, this has been a classic for logisticians going back to Alexander the Great, but it was true in my world as well. I could be there at US European

as well. I could be there at US European Command and I could paint for them how certain war plans we had were logistically unsustainable. and the

logistically unsustainable. and the operators would just look at me like I was a crazy person. In other words, logistics as and supply chains don't get

the respect they truly deserve until it's too late and and then and then Katie bar the door because so people like Mike and me who are logistics nerds

were standing up screaming at the top of our lungs. We're writing articles. were

our lungs. We're writing articles. were

going on the news to say this is this is bad and you got to do something about this right now.

>> And even so many of them, it blows me away how many of them don't get it. You

can explain it over and over and over again and they don't get it. It's uh you know that you you mentioned uh General, you mentioned the Washington. It's the

regulations driving the prices up there.

>> So, it's going down. They supply one pipeline to Oregon. It's into Oregon. Uh

California, it's into Vegas. It's into

Reno. It's into Phoenix. It's the entire West Coast. And this I I I can't see

West Coast. And this I I I can't see anything other than this is a damn plan.

This has to be a plan because the consequences and we're right around the corner. Utal chaos, total civil unrest,

corner. Utal chaos, total civil unrest, the threat to the military. I mean, now basically, you know, uh Waltz was saying

they're supplying 60% of San Francisco's jet. PBF is supplying 40. That's 100.

jet. PBF is supplying 40. That's 100.

That's easy math. They go away. San

Francisco has no jet fuel. So, you know, Oakland, Sack, San Jose, LAX, Ontario, Orange County, all of those airports, no jet fuel. We can't offload it any any

jet fuel. We can't offload it any any faster. We can't get it in. And and

faster. We can't get it in. And and

again, this whole thing with the Supremacy Clause and the Defense Production Act, it's like, my god, people, what does it take to get your [ __ ] attention >> to sit there and say you need to do this?

>> How many jobs? How many jobs overnight?

So, okay. Chevron, all the jobs, all those jobs that are connected to diesel, right, in California, all those. So, all

the TSA workers, every one of them, even though they're not even getting paid right now, all of the doc uh steadors, all of those guys, all the truck drivers, all the people that make a living in the distribution cycle. Okay,

wait a minute. You take away their money. Now, you take away the food. They

money. Now, you take away the food. They

got no money. They got no food. And now

you want to you want to uh evict them from their apartment, their house, their whatever. Last I checked, uh San

whatever. Last I checked, uh San Francisco is not a great place to pay rent. state.

rent. state.

>> What what I'm what I'm what I'm getting at is is they are induced. This is this is what Alex Crryer has always talked about. Red ants, black ants in the jar.

about. Red ants, black ants in the jar.

Close the jar. Shake it hard. They're

doing that in California right now. That

is the model. And they are attacking hard. And uh I I am screaming at the top

hard. And uh I I am screaming at the top of my lungs emphatically. You you that there are going to be a lot there's going to be a lot of death here if if if

this stuff doesn't change here right now. Yeah, it needs to change now. It we

now. Yeah, it needs to change now. It we

can't wait. I I don't see honestly I I don't see the state, they're not going to work with the oil companies to to change those amendments, right? And I

can see June 1st, June 15th at the latest, they're going to slap letters, which they have to bribe law provide that we're shutting down. And that

means, you know, from June to June, but it won't be till next June. It'll be

going in even even before summer. it'll

be like April or or March because they'll pull feed just like Valero did >> because when they save with one year, they want to be done and down and out

within the year. That's exactly what Valero did. So, um um they go down,

Valero did. So, um um they go down, we're just uh uh yeah, there's going to be a lot of death. I I agree with you, sir. I wish uh I wish that weren't the

sir. I wish uh I wish that weren't the case, but that's exactly what I see. Um

uh going down the whole the entire West Coast from Seattle to San Diego, inland, Arizona.

>> Look at the clown girl. Look at the clown girl mayor in Seattle. Her her

answer uh you got because of Antifa, all the uh illegals and all the crime.

Instead of fixing the crime, her answer is uh because all the grocery stores are like, "We're out of here. We're leaving.

We're closing up. We're not going to do this." She's like, "Oh, we'll just force

this." She's like, "Oh, we'll just force them to stay." And it's like um I don't I don't think you really have an understanding of how that works.

>> Yeah.

>> Um the the the point is their stock puppets that they have impanled and this goes all the way to the city of London.

They have to meet certain requirements.

They cannot have any honor, no integrity, no morals and no brain because all they get to do is run script cards and they wait for the script card.

This is where Tim Waltz comes from. This

is where that clown girl mayor comes from in Seattle. This is this is all the way down the damn coast. And this is the battle lines. And and I I wrote an

battle lines. And and I I wrote an article because I was just in the sea of crap uh because of the TSA mess down in Houston two days ago. And in the morning, I had to get to the airport at

uh let's see, 2 in the morning for the 5-h hour wait where they tucked us down into the bowels of the airport on in in the train track system. uh a mile long

line. Um and and here's what I wrote

line. Um and and here's what I wrote about in my Substack article is, okay, this is the unnerving thing. Americans

are no longer pissed off. You know what they're doing? They're they're checking

they're doing? They're they're checking out. Everybody was just placid,

out. Everybody was just placid, palefaced resigned defeated demoralized, whatever you want to call it. But but what I know about what I

it. But but what I know about what I know about human behavior is that's the calm before the storm. That's that's I saw this in Kyrgyzstan with a revolution

that I had to deal with. It's people get quiet and check out mentally before the bad stuff comes. And and so just the eerie den of people like well you know

this is what they do to us. This is the culmination from co to now. And um and then when you add in the food the energy we've got a private credit banking

crisis at 22 trillion now. uh that

financial bubble's about to uh come in and pop. Uh it's it it's not going to be

and pop. Uh it's it it's not going to be good if if the folks around the president are keeping this type of information from him.

>> Yeah, that's the thing. What's Trump

going to say one day? When the hell were you going to tell me all the refiners in California are shut down? I mean, what's the story? I mean, Chris Wright, hell,

the story? I mean, Chris Wright, hell, you know, I >> I quite frankly could do a better job.

Thank you very much.

>> I know you could. I know. But but

listen, my little Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Rexy could do a better job.

>> Um it's just the way it is.

>> Yeah. It's like how can you guys not how can you guys not be seeing this?

>> Yeah. Well, that's the whole point is you get to am I looking at ne am I looking at uh incompetence or am I looking at malevolence? And I I I am

always very suspicious of some of the people around the president. Um, and and again, I I have seen the man filtered before in foreign affairs when we talked about Ukraine and Russian wars and this

kind of stuff and he'd say stuff and it was indicating to me that, oh, you're not you're not getting the full picture here. What's going on?

here. What's going on?

>> Yeah, that's the key is the big picture.

if he's being held back on this stuff with California and Nebraska. Um that

now there is no trucking up in northern Minnesota for the farmers up there and uh they the commerce department that peach let um

uh the two railroads up there merge so that there's only one way out with your farm products and they set the price and you have no choice. This is, look, this

is a this is a storm that is so lined up for bad stuff. And and I I hear everybody out there writing comments now on this podcast going, "You fearmonger."

It's like, "Okay, don't get mad at me.

What you should do is go scream and yell at your co-oped bought off uh elected representative." That's what you should

representative." That's what you should do.

>> Yeah. It's fact-mongering.

>> Fact mongering.

>> Not fearongering.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, it is. It's factongering. This is

the real deal, folks. And now you got three m like here, I've already harped on this a couple times. Now you got three major oil corporations who have never happened before all singing the

same tune saying, "Hey, this is your this is your courtesy notification here.

We're done with this shit."

>> We're not going to keep doing it >> in the rest of the country.

>> And now you're about to watch the private equity banks explode on their own.

>> They're going to choke on their own BS.

And so what normally you would expect to have happen is, okay, these refineries fall apart, the private equity vultures come in, they swoop them all up, pennies on the dollar, and then they cut a deal with Gavin and they're back in business.

They don't. They're not going to have the money to do that because they they're sitting on a $22 trillion Easter egg. By the way, for those of you

egg. By the way, for those of you keeping score, that's 18% of the global GDP. Whole thing.

GDP. Whole thing.

>> Damn.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Damn. So,

got to scream. This is the time to scream. Yell loud.

scream. Yell loud.

>> Mike, what do you see then coming? If

it's inevitable in California, I mean, if you're saying they're giving the courtesy, then then at a certain point, it's now like it's not like if it's going to crash now. Now, I want predictions on like what part of the car is going to crumble.

Well, we we've already pretty much proven with Valero just having gone down that we're at our we're at our limit on what we can

offload as far as fuel tankers coming in. Um if those refineries shut down,

in. Um if those refineries shut down, the imports will increase by three-fold.

That's impossible. We can't we can't do it. There's no way.

it. There's no way.

>> You don't have the infrastructure to take it on. You don't have the tankage.

>> Yep. So what I see and see this is this is I don't want to say ironic but it is kind of ironic. It's why I got involved in this initially cuz I was just doing my thing as a farmer working as an

operating engineer. When I heard Valero

operating engineer. When I heard Valero was shutting down I'm thinking yo what's going on? Valero's shutting down really

going on? Valero's shutting down really the most efficient advanced refinery in the state. So I started digging in and

the state. So I started digging in and one of the first things I ended up doing is I wasn't I was not gaining any traction. So I wrote a brief and I went

traction. So I wrote a brief and I went down to the capital. I took a day of vacation and headed down there and that's where I ended up running into into Assemblyman Ellis and he asked me, you know, straight up, why are you doing

this? You know, here's your Joe citizen

this? You know, here's your Joe citizen just down there. He really liked the report, you know, he's really he was impressed with that. And I said, uh, with what I knew back then, um, I told

him, uh, honestly, um, just knowing what I know right now, I see the largest economical collapse in the history of any state in this country happening in

California going into the summer and the fall of 2026.

And um, and that's absolutely um, and that was before all these refineries were going to the letters came out. Um,

and what I have learned between the upstream, the refineries, what and then uh the downstream, that's exactly what's going to happen. Uh, we're going to have food shortages, all these things in the

general we're talking about. You're

going to have a lot of people dying. The

state's going to see the large the whole west co the whole west coast. It will

take Nevada, it will cascade to Nevada, cascade to Arizona. I mean, you know, even though Tucson's getting their fuel from El Paso, still, you take Phoenix out, you're taking out Arizona, you're

taking out Nevada, Washington and Oregon are going with it. You're going to see the largest economical collapse in the history of this country. And um there's going to be, especially in California where there will be no diesel to

transport goods, you'll see a lot of people starving, a lot of people, and it like you say, it doesn't matter how much money you have. If people don't have food, they don't have the ability to move, they don't have, you know, maybe

not even have electricity in their house, then people will get desperate and um there's going to be a lot of uh a lot of dying going on. That's that's

what I see. Unfortunately, it's exactly what I see.

>> General, >> it's got to get arrested. That future

that we're talking about right now, as dark as it is, and it is dark, it it it's now. It's got to get arrested right

it's now. It's got to get arrested right now. Yeah. The best analogy I could give

now. Yeah. The best analogy I could give you is as a pilot when I'm flying in a big heavy jet like a C17 about 150 mi out you start seeing some strikes of lightning and then you start tuning up

your radar and you go, "Wow, that that's a monster thunderstorm in front of us."

And to avoid the whole problem, all I got to do is change our our course by one to three degrees and we're out of it. It's done. And so and so I'm not

it. It's done. And so and so I'm not saying there's no solutions here, but what I am saying is uh this is the squeaky wheel gets grease time. This is

this is there is no shame in standing up and burning up the phone lines of your state capitals of the federal the federal elected officials. Uh because at

least then if the bad thing comes, you as an American can say I did I did what I could do. I didn't have any power, but I certainly did what was within the scope of of my thing. Get to your city

council, get to your county commissions, try to educate people. There is a serious storm brewing and we can still avoid it, but we got to get active as we

the people and start kind of flexing our muscle a little bit in our our mouths.

Um, you got to get your local news to bust up their editorial policies and start covering this stuff. Um, thank

goodness Newsmax loves let they let me talk about this anytime I want and twice on Sunday. I just wrote a published an

on Sunday. I just wrote a published an article about it. If look, if if you can't write or get published, fine. Get

those articles and these podcasts and get them into the hands of everybody that you can. I I know this doesn't sound like it's a big thing, but it's if a lot of people do that, if a lot of

people will take that seriously, we can move the needle.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's the the app analogy is just shifting it a couple degrees. Like you can you can you can

degrees. Like you can you can you can sidestep a whole lot of horseshit.

>> Well, and it's like the general said like the general just saying, Tommy, I didn't know you up a couple months ago.

>> Yeah. you know, going on with uh different folks, you know, uh KFI, LA, KFPK, you know, speaking, saying what's going on? What's going on? And what can

going on? What's going on? And what can be done with the Defense Production Act is the president can come in and say, "Okay, Air Resource Board, you're done."

>> Yeah.

>> Energy Commission, you're done. None of

your rules apply to the refineries now.

It is now federal EPA. They can go to Valero and say, "Hey, what do we need?"

because they then they have access to help like with money too. What can we do to get you restaffed and back up online?

Um you know, Valero wrote off so much of their losses over the years. It's like

the professor kind of explained, you know, if they go back and like sell it uh or or something, then they'll have to pay massive taxes on those write-offs

with interest over, you know, x amount of years. Well, you know, the federal

of years. Well, you know, the federal government can tell them something like, "Hey, we'll give you 20 years, give you 30 years to pay that back. Let's get you up online. Let's make you profitable

up online. Let's make you profitable again. These agencies that have been

again. These agencies that have been cutting cutting you off at the heels, they no longer affect you." Um, and then you know that that's that's what can be done. Positive things can be done, but

done. Positive things can be done, but we're off halfway off the cliff. It

needs to be done now or real soon. I

mean, if those refineries, refiners, Chevron PBF Marathon, if they issue letters to the state, dispatch letters to the state saying we're shutting down, they have the feds have to engage. Then

there's no choice. The feds absolutely have to engage. Chris Wright has to wake up and say, "Whoa, whoa, what the hell's going on?" You know, he has to wake up.

going on?" You know, he has to wake up.

He has to engage. He has to invoke those acts >> like legal like legally or procedurally.

That's something they do have to they would have to address it.

>> Oh, they got lawyers out the wazoo. They

listen, it's a supremacy act. California

is currently imperiling the security of the United States. And what we need to also do is examine things like Nebraska.

Where' the fire come from? What what are we doing to put it out? Why is this not a national emergency? And what's going on? How's this affect um the farming?

on? How's this affect um the farming?

And and it's just going to have to be that way.

What would Trump have to if if if Mike, if you have the president's here, what would Trump have to do today? Just like

balls out. What would he have to do today?

>> Uh, he would have to, like I said, he would have to tell he would have to tell Carb and CC, you no longer have any purview in the refineries at all. The

whole industry from upstream to to downstream all the way to the customers.

You're done. your regulations. Um, you

know, like like uh the summer blend is thrown out the window. Your lowcarbon

sulfur fuel that's thrown out the window. Um, you know, back when I ran

window. Um, you know, back when I ran the refinery, the the the emission standards were fine. There was no problem. Our our smog compared to like

problem. Our our smog compared to like the 70s was way down, like 90% down, >> right?

>> All these different things. uh you know uh um um you know even jets you know even even even jets and the efficiency of diesel motors and the production of diesel fuel you I mean you look when we

were younger they would smoke like hell now they don't smoke at all or hardly at all so just go back to the way the way things were um and basically tell the

refineries that okay all these standards now they're not they're not they don't apply okay you need to you're just working with the standards that the rest of the country is based on Idaho, Texas,

you know, the East Coast, that standard is now California's standard. All this

other stuff is null and void. And then

what else, you know, then they need to sit down with Walts and the other CEOs in the companies and say, "What else can we do?" Because once you invoke that, it

we do?" Because once you invoke that, it gives the president a ton of authority to do things, promote things that will help this industry, which like the

general said is such a major threat to the military. That's what that's all

the military. That's what that's all based on, you know, civilian chaos and all that. Obviously, we don't want that

all that. Obviously, we don't want that to happen. But the whole function of

to happen. But the whole function of that is I think you sent that that document, Tommy, where they showed all these dis different investigations proven that the Defense Production Act does apply here and it is legal and they

can do it.

>> I think it's all because sent >> Oh, general sent that. Okay. um um that all it's it's legitimate legal and that's what he's got to do. He's got to

go in push the California state agencies away and then sit down with them and say, "Okay, what what do we need to do to help you out here?" Um Valero, like I said, you know, you got all these write-offs. Well, we'll give you 20 or

write-offs. Well, we'll give you 20 or 30 years to repay it. Please restaff

your refinery and start it back up. Um

and then we need to invoke legislation.

They need to get draft legislation specifically addressing this situation in California because you could get some jackass in two years from now that could reverse

all that because the the the refiners, the corporations, they're going to want to know that well two years from now are we going to just be heading down the same path again? Are we going to do an about face? So there needs to be

about face? So there needs to be legislation also put in place to where you know the situation like California it stays it stays permanently like that.

We shouldn't have to do that. Should

never have had to do that. But

unfortunately, we have no choice.

>> General, if you have the presidency, >> what does he do today?

>> You're muted.

>> General Holt, >> everybody.

>> Uh, I do know who has the presidency has heard from me loud and clear.

Um, and it's really, you know, so there's so many good things going on right now. They're going hard after

right now. They're going hard after election integrity. They're going to fix

election integrity. They're going to fix the ballot box. That's so clowns like Newsome can never touch the mantle of power because so many of them get in under

pretty pretty sketchy means. But those

are long lead items and uh that's great, but President Trump's responsibility under the Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, is to provide for the security of the United States at the

federal level. And if you have a state

federal level. And if you have a state that threatens that, which California clearly does, then then to me it's time

for the feds to step in and say, you know, uh you have a 10th amendment, but the 10th amendment can't let you imperil the rest of the United States, which is exactly what you're doing.

>> Well, it's what they it's Tommy, it's also it's what they've been doing. Well,

my argument is doing it on purpose.

They're doing this on purpose. This is,

like I said, this is a battlefield and it's a global war.

>> Yes, sir.

>> Yeah. And there's no good explanation.

There's You could say Nome's doing it on purpose or No, he's just like you said, oh, he's just reading flash cards. That

doesn't make it better. Okay, then he's a surrogate for a shadowy entity.

>> He's their dumb puppet.

>> It doesn't matter whether he's competent or not.

>> Yeah.

>> Both both answers are [ __ ] >> Yeah. It's it's it's

>> Yeah. It's it's it's I mean, >> yeah, I don't know.

>> You got to yell. You got to yell and scream.

>> The only thing I can think of, I mean, other than, you know, the Trump admin administration being complicit and the whole thing screwed, which I don't think, and I it could just be my own naivity and cognitive bias, but I just I

don't think they would have cooed him twice and tried to kill him if he was one of their own. So that being said, >> it's either that he's being intentionally insulated from it or that they're just

>> Well, he does have filters.

>> He's got of course you do. You can't.

There's no way you can't. Um it does justify it, but there's just realistically there's no way you can't or there he's intentionally going to just let it get worse and worse and worse so that you can do X, Y, and Z,

whatever that is.

>> The problem is now is you let it's it's already worse. It's already worse. Once

already worse. It's already worse. Once

it goes over the cliff, getting it back is uh >> that might be why. I don't know. I'm not

I'm not, by the way, I'm not condoning anything. I'm saying, I'm just saying

anything. I'm saying, I'm just saying >> I'm looking at possible outcome.

>> Listen here, Tommy.

>> Don't be difficult.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Well, I've heard that I've heard that from other people. Um, you know, other people that I'm I'm close to that that are knowledgeable. Um, the the thing is

are knowledgeable. Um, the the thing is we we can't get there. If we get there, getting back from there, recovering from there, uh especially the refineries in

particular, you don't turn the damn key, it is really hard. The general made this point the first time we did a podcast was about a jet sitting out there. It

needs to run. The refinery needs to run and then uh you know once the refiner is down for any sufficient amount of time, the qualified pilots to get it back off the ground and in the air are gone. So

uh and we're already there. It's not

like it's, you know, it would be one thing right now if we had 10 or 12 refineries running and we actually have we're at capacity or we have some spare

capacity. We we don't have that now. The

capacity. We we don't have that now. The

spare capacity is gone. We don't have any wiggle room. The slightest bounce.

This Iranian war and the straighter hormuz has been a good example of what could happen just on the prices. But

people need to understand prices are one thing. They hurt everybody. That's

thing. They hurt everybody. That's

that's not a fact. It's not good. But uh

shortages, not having it, not having food, that's where that's the next step.

That's the next step we go to. And once

those damn refineries are down, we can't pull out of it. We'll be in a living hell. A MadMax Atlas shrug just in a

hell. A MadMax Atlas shrug just in a situation that we can't get ourselves out of.

>> Right.

>> Well, General, I'll give I'll give you the closing thoughts.

>> Yeah. So, I think the thing to focus on here is here in March of 2026,

we we can determine what September of 2026 is going to be like, but but the time is absolutely right now. And what

you know, again, I want to get back to what I saw in Houston that morning. You

can't check out. You can't resign. You

can't say I have no control over this.

That they want you to do that.

>> Yeah, >> they've been working on that since co.

But if there's a place for you to wake up, grab your phone, grab your car, go down and go visit uh your congressman's

office with 20 of your neighbors. This is the place that you have to do that. So that

September 2026 is a far better outcome and it's going to be rough anyway.

>> Sure.

>> But but what we don't want to see is American killing American over a stock of celery.

>> Yeah.

>> Exactly.

>> And I'm not being hyperbolic and and but but it does not have to be our future.

>> But but right now is our time. We have

have to push.

>> Amen.

Yeah. No, I'm just kind of racked in my brain. Um,

brain. Um, yeah, I I don't it's it's it's it's I think there's some pretty there's a limited number of

explanations. It's either the Trump

explanations. It's either the Trump administration is is complicit and the whole thing's been a charade. It's that

he is being insulated and filtered or it's that they are looking at this and for whatever reason they want it to get even worse. None of those are really

even worse. None of those are really good answers. I'm not condoning any of

good answers. I'm not condoning any of them. It just seems like that's what

them. It just seems like that's what they are. I don't know what else it

they are. I don't know what else it would be. It's not

would be. It's not >> if you if you willfully participate in this type of destruction, then um there there is not there's not a prison term

for you. It is it is literally a crime

for you. It is it is literally a crime against you're an enemy combat.

>> No question about it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And then and then it's not then it's not discussed on this podcast.

It's it's it's brought to the the court of Clay Martin and God right and God help you.

>> Yeah. He's got a little bit of an attitude. So I was concerned about that

attitude. So I was concerned about that >> cuz he doesn't have a gavvel. He has a he has a hatchet. So

>> he's got a carbine.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want it to go to the to head magistrate Martin. So,

um, but, uh, gentlemen, let's wrap this thing up. And, uh, General, thank you

thing up. And, uh, General, thank you for calling in. I know you're you're pushed on time and driving around and all that good [ __ ] And, uh, Mike, as always, appreciate your time, brother.

>> And, uh, my pleasure.

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And, uh, I look well, normally I say I look forward to the next one. I'm not

not part it's not good that cuz when we do these it's it's it's necessitated by something bad happening. So I look forward to hanging out with you guys again. I don't look forward to the next

again. I don't look forward to the next one of these conversations.

>> There you go.

>> There you go.

>> There you go.

>> Yeah. Wait, I'm not actually looking forward to it. It's I like y'all's company. The subject matter not so much.

company. The subject matter not so much.

But you know >> what cheery thing will we talk about today?

>> I know.

>> So, but um but yeah, guys, let's wrap this thing up. Thank you so much for your time, guys. Thank you for watching.

Take care everybody.